Netflix’s Cleopatra is so Much Worse Than You Think

[@leonedralev3776]

The show not only insulted the Egyptians and Greeks, they also managed to insult the freaking Italians.

[@sisilotau2185]

It's actually kind of impressive how this show managed to make everyone mad lol

[@christophersmith8316]

@@sisilotau2185 We just need blacks to point out that the show was so bad it brought down the reputation of blacks to get everyone on side.

[@HBADGERBRAD]

Have there been any interviews with these people since?

[@miciso666]

a big part of the black community is seething as well. saying : we couldnt find any fameous black woman. so we made one from a white person. was not only blackwashing. but also really racist. but hey its the bitch who told her bf : go beat up chris rock or i will divorce your ass.

[@AmandaVieiraMamaesouCult]

​@@HBADGERBRAD The Egyptian expert published an article in AlJazeera defending himself. He said the production never disclosed the casting choice with him. He also never met the director, and mentioned he was disappointed at her calling the documentary a political act He also didn't know he would be the only Egyptian being consulted on the show.

[@MSULIMAN]

As an Egyptian I ask every human with a logical operating mind and respect to human history to help fight the pseudoscience ignorance such as this for the sake of our future! DON’T LET STUPID PEOPLE WIN!

[@sedwillful]

So, Arabs are native to Africa now? you are aware that your people invaded alllll of north Africa during the 7th century AD right?

[@carloszard]

Bro I made a video about the actual black pharaohs (kushite empire) and you wouldn't believe the amount of pseudoscience garbage that has been posted in the commentsection lmao

[@Eduardo_Ventura]

This time they lost, brother. Far more people know the truth about Queen Cleopatra now because of people debunking their lies.

[@ekaiser9302]

Can the Egiptian people make a documentary about Abraham Lincoln? Just make him Arab descendent. My grandma told me no matter the school teach me, he was Musulman. 👁️ 👄 👁️

[@FandersonUfo]

blessings and peace be upon Egypt - 🍁

[@cmdrtianyilin8107]

400 years later; "Elon Musk was black because he was from Africa."

[@5tm422]

He was also a transgender woman because women are powerful :D

[@ahmadesmail]

He was a fighting Queer! 😂

[@black-redpill3]

You think they'll wait 400 years? It would be a plot twist if it wasn't in the works already

[@hydrailce3404]

@@black-redpill3 lol yea it'll release 6 min after his death 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@mahsingh6041]

​@@5tm422 i would believe this rumour 😂

[@ThatChalk]

They talked about Egyptians like they’re a fantasy race

[@yusuke502]

they could of hired an actual Egyptian to play the role of Cleopatra, but I guess that doesn't align with their fantasy.

[@kira-dk2mx]

@@yusuke502 Nah, that wouldn't fit with their pro black Egyptian utopia.

[@gottesurteil3201]

Egyptians are the Tolkien elves of black people.

[@gonderAmh]

Cleopatra was a mixed white from already a mixed arab. It doent change the fact that historical egypt was black, until the many waves of arabs and white invading the land and decimating the locals over the centuries.

[@Wulfen73]

​@@gonderAmhexcept there is no evidence of this. Egyptians have 3000 years of rule by the pharohs prior to interference by Greeks or Romans, even with reconstruction by computers the features of the mummys recovered differ from black Africans.

[@ZombieDeathRace]

Jada was as faithful to history as she was to her husband...

[@brockdavid]

Jada Pinkett Smith “Queen of Denial and Entanglements”

[@balazsvarga1823]

Watch out, the cucklord will make effeminate slaps at you!

[@tonystark341]

😂

[@carlosroo5460]

Be careful, you are gonna get slap.

[@patdaley9098]

That's pretty irrelevant to criticism of te docudrama.

[@Alex_Pack]

Im proud of Egypt and Egyptians of rejecting this trash.

[@anoobisosiris7364]

@@Melvin-Deeply infidel does not mean stupid....:)

[@andrewclark8880]

​@@Melvin-Deeply Egypt is more secular than you think.

[@andrewclark8880]

@@Melvin-Deeply lol did the Egyptians call you an infidel telepathically???

[@SurvivenTerry]

​@@Melvin-Deeply i know Muslims and we disagree alot but I would rather argue with a fellow man of God then some stupid fools who don't even believe in a higher power...and the Muslims agree.

[@ahmadesmail]

You are infidel to our beliefs and we are infidel to your/non muslims beliefs so it goes both ways which we don’t believe in the same god cuz people are different you know,however almost the entire planet agreed on one thing and one thing only Cleopatra was not black and the series is trash! 😂

[@Warui88]

You have to admit, it's pretty damn impressive to botch history so badly that an entire country comes at you with a lawsuit.

[@gintokisakata1917]

Wait until Jada Smith releases her next documentary on Julius Caesar. Because her grandma told her "they ain't no white man named Julius! Caesar was a black man!"

[@icantmakenames6040]

@gintokisakata1917 imagine in 2140 A New documentary about how putin the Leader of Russia Was black because my great alcoholic grandfather said so!!11!!1!!1

[@infinitesimotel]

It wasn't botched, it was a deliberate attempt to push lies.

[@geeebuttersnap2433]

Then cry racism when they are corrected. Because holding black people accountable for their actions is racist.

[@baileyconlon9429]

@@geeebuttersnap2433 Amen to that, mate

[@XxFlamexX14]

The fact that Yugioh and The Prince of Egypt paid homage to the Eygptians with their color and history WAY BETTER than this 💀💀

[@kira-dk2mx]

Holy shit, you're right.

[@AericLee23]

As well as The Ten Commandments. They cast Yul Brynner as the wicked Pharaoh. I absolutely believed he was an Egyptian king.

[@deboraballes9044]

​@@AericLee23Yul Brynner was one of those actors that could convincingly play people from different countries, a bit like Anthony Quinn

[@AericLee23]

@@deboraballes9044 I love Anthony Quinn’s portrayal of Caiaphas in Jesus of Nazareth. I was also amazed to hear his Italian in a behind-the-scenes interview.

[@BasileosHerodou]

Ignore the absolutely ahistorical part of prince of egypt where the jews were mass enslaved

[@RookieCookieBunny]

When Assasin's Creed is more historically accurate than a documentary.

[@magicalpasta5462]

Hell, the fate anime/game series is more accurate, let me toss in the shin megami tensei version of Cleopatra

[@DArkFAe27]

Ubisoft do their research...:)

[@jabba233hutt3]

Bruh, Hoi4 with community mods are more accurate than this freaking show. Let alone Assassin’s Creed.

[@shiranuiNull]

Also nasuverse version as well

[@realzGaming]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@deadzeppelin9565]

I love how the power struggle between "tWo MeN" is somehow framed as toxic but Cleopatra's feuding with her own siblings is just glossed over

[@jeanvandenberg8986]

Also the incest part, the part where she married her brother according to an ancient Egyptian custom.

[@patdaley9098]

@@jeanvandenberg8986 Obviously, neither of you actually watched the docudrama!

[@absolutelydegenerate1900]

It goes over the incest and the issues between her and her own siblings. I don’t remember if it glosses over her brother trying to get rid of her in a coupe but it does mention the incest. She married both of her little brothers and the stuff with her sister is also in it

[@ScottyDoesntKnow69]

My grandma told me “now matter what they tell you, the slaves from Africa brought to USA were white.”

[@JosephCoenMason]

@@patdaley9098 You clearly didn't, and just in case you need a reminder, dude, it's BAD and 1000000% historically INaccurate. :)

[@julesvillega]

"You can imagine what Cleopatra looked like in your own way." NO! No, you can't! She was a real person, not a fictional character.

[@thesrow1056]

What if I imagined her as Mexican? Would I not be wrong?? If history is just about imagining then let's do a historic documentary on the 11 child Spartans who kills a billion french musketeers by throwing bananas at them after learning thier weakness thanks to the help of spiderman

[@Lynn.-_-.]

​​@@thesrow1056 HEY! spiderman can't time travel. It should be thanos with the help of the infinity gauntlet. He mistakenly went back in time instead of snapping half of the universe away and changed his ways.

[@reinaldocaraballo4657]

You have brought so much happiness 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😅😅😅😅😅😅​@@thesrow1056

[@SeaguIISoup]

i wish i could say that about hamilton without getting doxxed

[@johnhough9593]

And all kinds of contemporary depictions of cleopatra to know pretty much EXACTLY how she looked, as well. Not sure why no one at Netflix took the time to check it out.

[@The13thRonin]

"My grandmother told me... I don't care what they tell you in school... Black Panther was white." *Standing ovation.*

[@Jay3up]

My grandfather told me MLK was white so it must be true 🫤

[@UltraGalaxyify]

@@Jay3up My grandfather told me that Malcolm X was white, then faked his own death and changed his name to Shaun King!

[@ThW5]

And that is the truth, the Golden Age Black Panther was white... It's the Silver Age one who was black...

[@malikapollard4809]

🤣🤣🤣

[@Ynffy]

You are strong and brave! Men can give birth!

[@AshCosgrove]

"I don't care what they tell you in school, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was white". - my Grandmother.

[@sillysod33]

How dare you gender assume! SHE was white!

[@MCShifo111]

😂😂😂 i aqree

[@finwefingolfin7113]

Black is the new Nazi

[@PaulAllen786]

Momma says Life is Like a Box…🤣 FR like the fact that this whole show is based on “I DONT CARE WHAT THEY TELL YOU IN SCHOOL” just makes a mockery of so many aspects of history and even film making.

[@vin55100]

you know how we can prove that Martin Luther Sr. was a white German^^.

[@clubardi]

when i learned that Egypt were suing Netflix, it was hugely amusing bc imagine making something so horrendous that an entire country is suing you

[@aSSGoblin1488]

you might cheer for that egyptian lawsuit, but if you believe in freedom of speech you should also believe in the freedom to be a stupid fucking idiot. Netflix is first and foremost an entertainment platform and not advertised as a font of knowledge. and they are also not a establishment of factual truth like the Justice system. Netflix is not news like Foxnews, the former can spew lies and bs while the latter lost a billion dollars from tucker and his voting machines.

[@Mr.Malliquin666]

and then playing the victim and calling them racist HOW STUPID CAN YOU BE !?

[@Colonel_RamRod]

It’s definitely the peak of woke regardation

[@Mr.Malliquin666]

@@clubardi and then getting mad and calling them racists even though YOU'RE TRYING TO CHANGE THEIR HISTORY !

[@SebasTian58323]

Again, Jada is as good as making docu-series as she is at being a faithful wife

[@masunrise7471]

right and I cannot believe no one talks about how she groomed her sons friend! WTF

[@free_at_last8141]

@@masunrise7471 Older Women benefit from young Men lusting after them. Whatever benefits Women is good, whatever benefits Men is neutral at best and evil if it inconveniences Women.

[@Dickson_]

@free_at_last That's the truth. Female nature is very ugly.

[@aaironparker2837]

Like as if Cleopatra was faithful too. LOL ☕

[@thecensoredmuscle563]

@@aaironparker2837 only thing Jada relates to cleopatra. They're both wh0r**

[@DavidByrden1]

"I don't care what they tell you at school - Cleopatra was black" Watch it again. That one sentence is spread over TWO SHOTS. They filmed her saying it, then they MOVED THE CAMERA, set focus and framing, and had her SAY IT AGAIN. This is no throwaway line, this is no casual comment - this is PLANNED AND CAREFULLY CRAFTED PROPAGANDA. We're supposed to feel guilty/pressured/rude if we dare contradict that deceased grandmother.

[@ahmadesmail]

They were planning to call any white American saying anything racist as usual but they didn’t take into account that Egyptians can speak and call out their lies without being called racist since we are not white 😂

[@mirceazaharia2094]

​@@ahmadesmail Roast them for us, Egypt-bro. Roast them good.

[@ahmadesmail]

@@mirceazaharia2094 😂😂😂

[@s.s.99]

This is something that people don’t pay enough attention to, and I’m glad you’re mentioning it. The amount of focus they put into the camera shots in both the acting and the monologue tells you all you need to know about their bullshiete agenda. There are certain shots that they want to stand out more than others (i.e., those annoying little boss bitch side eyes from Cleopatra)

[@semi-useful5178]

@@ahmadesmail Allow me to be the first to welcome you lads to the White Race when the left screeches about you like they did the Cubans and Asians.

[@RobertStiles]

Cleopatra also ordered the deaths of her younger sister and two younger brothers, who were both children. Her father assassinated his eldest daughter who threatened his rule. No doubt, they failed to mention the brutality of her ambitions.

[@lilacfantasy4]

Yeah...gloss over that why don't they? I think it's weird that we are so scandalized by her being in a relationship with two different men, one after then other, and being a serial monogamist, when she literally committed fratricide. She was a calculating person who increased her power in maybe not the most ethical ways. You cant ignore that. But of course, they do.

[@kylemendoza8860]

No they admitted to it. I do however agree with their defense. They were products of their time and environment. It really wouldn't be fair to trust them by modern standards. But I think they're a few historical examples that their head would explode if you try to extend the same courtesy.

[@jodiegordon5559]

Easily explained! That was her Greek side! 😏👀

[@marniekilbourne608]

Well, given her father's example, it was kill or be killed in her family. She was a kid herself at about age 16 when she met Caesar! Her story is not unusual in history. It was often kill or be killed in royal families in many cultures throughout history. Yet none of that has anything to do with race.

[@polandi4057]

Because black people can't do anything bad according to Netflix

[@bearbiter9051]

imagine being so entitled that you just shrug at the fact that you insulted 3 countries - the Egyptians, Italians, and Greeks - by blackwashing their history and heritage

[@Mr.Malliquin666]

And when they call you out on it you get angry and call them racists.

[@theirishbandit7301]

They nailed her accent perfectly also. Cleopatra definitely had a proper British accent and that’s a fact.

[@n0odles86]

English. She has an English accent. Britain contains the Welsh, Scots, and those across the way under N.I. _All vastly different accents and even languages_

[@theirishbandit7301]

@@n0odles86 touche

[@ryannathaniel9296]

patdaley9098: "yOu dIDn't WatCh thE doCUdraMa dIdn'T yOu?"

[@MooseCastle]

​@@n0odles86If you're going to be that pedantic then she doesn't even have an "English accent" and you'd want to specify because there are more English accents in 10 square miles than there are across multiple American states.

[@ondrej_hrdina]

English accent is a British accent.@@n0odles86

[@Hydroelectirc]

I think ppl forget you can be african without being black

[@silentecho92able]

@@Noxthedunmer If they want to make an African Queen documentary why not make one that is true and not made up. If they need a Black Queen why not tell the story of Seble Wongel Empress of Ethiopia. During the Ethiopian-Adal war and how important she was as an advisor and counselor to her sons and grand children.

[@Michels1]

As a white African, its not uncommon to see people equating Africaness to blackness.

[@peachrenard2320]

@@silentecho92able Because it's easier to take a figure everyone has at least heard of and make up your own story than it is to research a more obscure figure would be my guess. Also, since more people have heard of Cleopatra, more traffic to the documentary was another thing they had probably assumed.

[@bigred052887]

No. It’s deliberately obscured to keep sowing division through arbitrary aspects of peopl

[@Maximalistcollector]

Elon musk is a good example

[@nicholasbennett7367]

Calling Egyptian people white supremacists as a counter to the backlash was just hilarious

[@infinitesimotel]

Its a type of pshychological warfare, they just screech the same thing repeatedly to piledrive the nonsense through mental attrition.

[@David-hc4xh]

Cleopatras father Ptolemy XII was illegitimate and only became Pharaoh after his father and then half sister had died. Being illegitimate meant he was probably not fully Greek and likely of mixed Greek and Egyptian heritage. Cleopatra became Pharaoh upon his death. There is no record of Cleopatra’s maternal line. Neither her mother (supposedly Cleopatra V) or Grandmother is confirmed. It makes sense that her mother was mixed (African and Greek) especially as she is the only Ptolemy to learn Egyptian.

[@LadyMaab]

let add - men and all european skin color to your statement👍

[@DirtyTurtle67]

@@infinitesimotel That's what toddlers do.

[@infinitesimotel]

@@DirtyTurtle67 Indeed, but do they use political race rhetoric in their propaganda vectors?

[@mikemcmike6427]

I love how they thought that ladies like about “my grandma said cleopatra was black” was going to be so amazing they put it in the trailer and did a music drop to emphasize it and think it was epic. While it just showed how embarrassing it is

[@-Zikade-]

Indeed. It's like the most asinine thing I have ever heard in a "documentary", yet they try to portray it as some sort of powerful moment. Oh lord the cringe!

[@patdaley9098]

So you didn't watch the docudrama but feel you can criticize it,, anyway. The old lady does not agree with her late grandmother, and indeed, they proceed to refute her. They describe her Macedonian ancestry as a Ptolemy, and they discuss some ambiguities in her familyytree; But no one suggests any black ancestors.

[@mikemcmike6427]

@@patdaley9098 I’ve watched multiple reviews of it. It’s utter nonsense and they reimagine history to paint the guys as emotional and inept while cleopatra is the best.

[@patdaley9098]

@@mikemcmike6427 As I said, you didn't watch the docudrama but you criticize it anyway. I'm sure the same is true of many of the "reviews" you have watched: they didn't watch it, either.

[@mikemcmike6427]

@@patdaley9098 they provided direct clips and evidence of the nonsense historical reinagination. They paint some of the greatest people in history as irrational, emotional idiots and drunks. All so they can elevate Cleopatra in comparison. It’s not just dishonest but disgusting. Even the critics on Rotten tomatoes give it a 20%. Of all the experts they bring in to Talk there’s only ONE historian with a degree in Egyptology and they aren’t even finished their masters!! Multiple actual experts have come out saying it’s nonsense. Egyptians historians came out saying it’s nonsense. Why you would choose this hill to fight on is frankly embarrassing for you.

[@flickcentergaming680]

I hate when male characters are downplayed or made out to be outright stupid just to make the female character(s) look like badasses, especially so when the female is ALREADY pretty badass in her own right! It just screams "women can't be cool unless the men are stupid!"

[@ayana_0150]

Yeah, it works very much against them in my opinion. The way they approach female empowerment reeks of overcompensation and just reminds me of the Mary-Sue characters I used to read in fan fiction that used to annoy me so much. If you want to make a point about the strategic brilliance of a female character, you shouldn’t need to dumb down a man to make her look better by comparison.

[@flickcentergaming680]

@@ayana_0150 EXACTLY!

[@harryedwards4080]

Every single white male character in the last series of F*cking Fargo.. You know what I can't even say or type it without putting the word F*cking in front anymore.

[@cotati76]

That’s every single sitcom. The husbands are always complete idiots and the wives are always right.

[@badbreakingbadvideos]

​​@@cotati76 atleast in sitcoms the men are also portrayed to be responsible and loving sometimes, while they are stupid often, they do have redeeming qualities. Tho yeah, its a bit of a archetype in sitcoms for the male husband to be a bit dense.

[@troubledjoe6201]

The problem isn’t with female characters being allowed to be strong - it’s with them not being allowed to be weak

[@elleanna5869]

And considering a woman "strong" if she trains , moves, have s*x and behave ruthless and prepotent like a male stubborn jerk. Hollywood female characters became what self respectful men and proud women don't need and don't want to be.

[@rodneymarsden3003]

How about females who actually existed being shown the way they were? In real life Cleopatra was not a warrior woman.

[@alicianelson1252]

There are many ways to be strong plus being strong doesn’t mean you will succeed in fact it could be your downfall just look at Julius Caesar he was killed by his own alies because he was so powerful it scared them

[@yesyes-om1po]

@@alicianelson1252 by all means Julius Caesar succeeded. His death was premature but that does not at all take away from his accomplishments, and arguably his biggest accomplishment of all, his commitment to mentoring and raising Octavian, Augustus. Arguably the greatest emperor that Rome ever had.

[@alicianelson1252]

@@yesyes-om1po true but if he kept himself in check and didn’t scare the shit out of people he could of lived longer and accomplished more still not the only Roman emperor to be murdered

[@dubbsreality5109]

She said she never wanted to study Cleopatra until someone said we're going to make her black and she was on board

[@kylemendoza8860]

Don't know if you watched it. But she actually says she had a dream that Cleopatra visit her in a dream. Told her to tell her story.

[@masondegaulle5731]

@@kylemendoza8860 ...right after she was offered a stupid amount of money to weasel-word history into making black Cleopatra plausible...

[@diszruptiveent3634]

Well at least it's accurate and not that white washed crap they gave us in school

[@Angel_Auraa]

She needs to check her own racism instead of accusing audiences of being racist. 😅 “Oh, I won’t study this queen of European descent bc of her skin colour.”

[@FAMA-18]

@@kylemendoza8860 Lol..I heard about that, she had a dream that cleopatra came to her, stupidity at its finest. I’m still shocked that Netflix approved trash like this, they should go broke and close down.

[@vinicius100470]

You know what's really sad? The misconception that Cleopatra was black is so popular that Netflix thought they could get away with this. It's comforting to know that in the end it still backfired.

[@kenricnarbrough8191]

I used to find american Afro-centrism really funny. Now its getting f*cking worrying.

[@entropybear5847]

The only think blks did was invent necklacing and famine as a normal state of affairs. No wonder they're so brazen in stealing everyone else's history.

[@als3022]

The positive is that the other minorities aren't going to lay down and show their bellies to this crap.

[@NashmanNash]

Would be funny to have Hollywood and co portray how many african nations developed after the colonial empires fell apart.(colonialism itself being a different topic)....But an awefull amount of regions in africa have gone back to"Oh,nice stick that can shoot fire.Want to trade it for these villagers we captured"@@kenricnarbrough8191

[@patdaley9098]

You obviously did not actually watch the docudrama. No one in the docudrama thinks Cleopatra is black, and in fact that view is refuted in the first 20 minutes. There apparently are people who think that (and old, dead grandma was apparently one), but Netflix definitely does not. Did you only watch the 2 minute trailer? Or are you listening to lies on the internet?

[@quinnastuno9959]

The most tragic part of all of this was that, if you stuck to real history, this documentary would’ve been a masterpiece.

[@JosephineSheesley]

Yeah. It was decently shot and everything.

[@tabaflip]

When Cleopatra pulled Excalibur out of the rock and shouted "I have... THE POWER!!" was one of the moments of African history.

[@-redacted_by_youtube]

I think the moment she said 'its morbin time" was the moment that blew me away.

[@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@kingcrimson4554]

Dudeeee i lost it when abraham lincon said to cleopatra "we was kkweennzzz" and finally took his mask off revealing he was a black tranagender woman. We all cried

[@AnnikaCoyucoCutecats]

But what about when she destroyed the Roman armies with her farts 💨? That was surely empowering!

[@brockdavid]

When Cleopatra, Anne Boleyn and Haakon Sigurdsson used the Delorean to stop Sauron and Octavius from completing the Death Star and reclaim Europe from the evil ‘whitey colonizers’ I was shaken, and when they busted out into a rap song, I had to scoop my jaw off the floor. 😂

[@gerbindinghower4058]

My grandma always said "no matter what they try to tell you, there's a man living inside of my walls who comes out at night to watch me in the shower and hide my television remote from me." She...she wasn't well in her final years.

[@nickdenton3633]

Sounds like a smart woman... most never notice me

[@queenberuthiel5469]

That's exactly the plot of the movie "The Boy" 😅

[@serverllegion6184]

this reminded me of a comedy skit from blark and son He is in the walls

[@purplepuddlesuwu]

​@@queenberuthiel5469 I was just thinking that...

[@tonystark341]

I remember my grandmother saying to me"I dont care what they tell you in school, "Malcom X was Asian"

[@hblaub]

My Latin teacher forced me to translate those Roman historical texts about Egypt around this time. If I had known that I could simply ask my grandmother what she felt was right and then just copy paste her quotes into my homework and still get an A++, that would have been good.

[@davemccage7918]

Everyone know’s that me’ma’s drunken tirades about white supremacy in the classical period hold more weight than contemporary accounts! What are you stupid or something?

[@gintokisakata1917]

The uncut version has Cleopatra being portrayed by Fallon Fox and depicting African's magical powers of flight, energy bolts, weather manipulation and time travel. It had more facts than this trash.

[@ginalowe1924]

😂😂

[@Guinnessdrnkr1234]

Apparently you could have gotten a PhD if you just listened to Grandma

[@blox1134]

I GOT A PHD IN EBONICS, WE WUS KANGS N SHEET BRUH

[@patrickcromwell7554]

It's funny they say "We don't KNOW who Cleopatra's family was.". When the actual truth is THEY don't know. Historians do. That's why they are called historians. They've researched this topic.

[@summeryick5641]

And it’s not like it’s a hard guess either, like I wonder who Cleopatra VII’s mother and grandmother is, it couldn’t POSSIBLY be another Cleopatra, 🤯

[@KirbyIsCute]

You know what also pisses me off in this 'documentary'? The fact that despite Cleopatra was known for doing great things - it wasn't enough. Oh no, she also had a hand with the calendar creation, was a powerful warrior, and a military strategist. Implying that the original Cleopatra wasn't good enough and needed to be perfect at everything. Which is pretty insulting and a bad message for girls that are pretty much told "Remember, even if you're great at certain things and have accomplishments you reached, it's not enough. It's never enough."

[@kenricnarbrough8191]

a good point, well put.

[@flickcentergaming680]

Exactly. Cleopatra VII was incredibly intelligent in her own right, and was a master at negotiation. I'd personally like to see a show about her political pursuits in that vein.

[@ElessarFrey]

I don’t think this false bs of a documentary wants a universal message for girls in general, their shitty producers and actors made very clear that this insult to intelligence was directed at “melanated sisters” and all that crap

[@arthas640]

It's lazy tokenism 101: make sure you stress how good that race, gender, sexuality, ethnicity, or religious group is by making them better then anyone else and free from flaws so you can show how more evolved they and -the writers- their views are compared to everyone else, and avoid any possible accusations of being some kind of racist, sexist, or other -ist or -phobe by making that minority character a Mary Sue free from human defects.

[@nicolina1026]

As long as they also show the truth about her killing 2 of her siblings, and marrying both her brothers 🤷🏽‍♀️ She's idolized and fetishized as this powerful strategist, seductress and queen but they sanitize her vile history and her families vile history

[@Prich319]

The biggest insult to Octavian is the fact that irl, he spared Cleopatra's so-called "half-breed bastards." (With the exception of Caesarian, because he was Caesar's true, if not legitimate son.) The three children she had with Antony were sent to be raised by his own sister after Cleopatra's death. But no, they couldn't show a man honoring the deal he made with a defeated queen. Instead we get Grand Wizard Octavius Ruckus of the Westboro Baptist Church, a malicious, sneering, bigoted, and low-IQ mockery of the actual man. I think I speak for many when I say the sooner Hollywoke dies in it's own irrelevance, the better.

[@gianlucarossi5672]

Augustus was actually a handsome guy, and they made him look like a creep.

[@marniekilbourne608]

I agree! When I first learned his sister had taken in her children I was shocked at that act of kindness in a less than kind time. The Romans did not like Cleopatra so his sister taking them in was a huge deal and a great example of humanity.

[@patdaley9098]

@@marniekilbourne608 But he still killed Caesarion because he could become a rival.

[@JCDenton3]

​@Pat Daley "Caesarion" was also an adult at that point who came back to Egypt from exile thinking he had a chance to take back the title of Pharaoh. If he just stayed in exile in India, he would have been completely fine. His own ambition doomed him.

[@atlas956]

I’ll never forgive the Octavian slander in this “documentary”. You have an actually interesting and intelligent historical figure, who by all accounts was a decent person and good ruler. who did what he thought he had to do to achieve his political goals, which he genuinely believed to be in Rome’s best interest. So what do you do? Turn him into a misogynistic, violent caricature of a “roman general” for your wacky propaganda show, because you think that having an intelligent, compelling male character would ruin your female protagonist.

[@nightstrike90]

Guys, her grandma said she was black, there's no higher authority than that. We need to accept that an old black woman who probably lived in the 30s knows exactly what color she was even better than PHDs in the subject. How are you not getting this?

[@JM-vp8zc]

The PhDs will soon be echoing her, lest their right-thinking comrades yank their funding. Higher ed leads the charge up Woke Hill.

[@gavhenrad]

I don't even know her gran.

[@arifhussain-dl1vp]

Cleopatra was also a transgender woman 🤣.

[@Hannibalian]

ikr!!! my gran told me that cleopatra led the mongol horde after genghis khan and that she conquered all of asia!

[@DrCruel]

Forget PhDs. My grandma Joe Biden knows better than Roman historians. She knows better than the sculptors who created his busts at the time. If you think my grandma Joe Biden is wrong, you ain't black.

[@Atlas65]

"Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered". George Orwell 1984.

[@dechha1981]

“an expert in applying black feminist and critical race approaches to the study and teachings of classics” That makes no sense whatsoever. Applying modern politics into something written way before those politics existed is something you shouldn’t do at all. I would have more respect for her and her work if all she did was watch 80s horror movies and spend the whole time saying “why not just use her cell phone? Where is her cell phone?”

[@Zeriel00]

She's a soldier in the war against culture, truth, and history, an useful idiot that pushes the agenda of the regime.

[@bluesageful]

What that means is.... she's an expert at altering history to suit her own needs and ideas

[@asdergold1]

​@@bluesageful Which is what a lot of people are trained to do in Universities, especially in the more social fields like sociology and linguistics. Psychology is a field of mines, can't tlak ablt dah fld uph uhmem jexpejinentation.

[@trukeesey8715]

The obvious lesson has been ignored by all commentors and commentrices: when hybrids of the Beast of the Field team up with Zevites, nobody cares about truth. Listen to Prem Rawat.

[@catsandcrows8880]

​@@williamgrant1103Quite the opposite I suspect 😂

[@ahmadesmail]

As an Egyptian, i like to thank you for the video and for bringing up the Egyptian population at the time as no one mentions it, I just would like to add that Arabs conquered Egypt with an army of 6000 soldiers and they wouldn’t be able to succeed without the help of Egyptians themselves as they were fed up with the Romans, so they are trying to convince themselves that 6000 men genocide 5million inhabitant and managed to replace the entire population…

[@MCShifo111]

يا صديقي انت ناسي حاجه تقولها وياريت تعدل تعليقك وتضيف هذه المعلومة لهم اساسا العرب من نسل ام مصريه هاجر ام العرب فزاي العرب من اصل مصري يغزوا مصر؟

[@ahmadesmail]

@@MCShifo111 والله ياما قولنا للمصريين قبلهم اصلا بس مين يسمع

[@-_YouMayFind_-]

I am not sure if there was much difference between the Romans and the Arabs that came in, but in the end the Arabs lived around Egypt anyway. So the Egyptians already looked like them already because obviously to me at least neighboring countries do look similar. Greece and Cyprus is not that far away and also Libia is a neighbor country, Israel is sort of connecting to Egypt. In fact quite an amount of sub-Saharan africans went to Egypt while the black slaves during I believe 1500s or 1600s but that is quite an amount of time later that these people came there then the pyramids were built. Maybe there were darker skinned slaves before too but then again we are not talking about the farao, but also people get darker skinned the more they are in the sun. Slaves would be in the sun quite some more than others. Especially if those were working outside or building. I think that some people forget that having darker skin doesn't make you black. When I cycle for 4 weeks in the sun I get darker too. That is just logical. I don't know exactly about the people that came into the country but I just base it now in the neighboring countries on the opposite side of the see or literal neighbors, but if we base "Arabs" it is not really a separate race. North-Africa is seen as caucasian if I search that.

[@ahmadesmail]

@@-_YouMayFind_- true that I’d just add that Arabs believed to originate from Egyptians through Hager peace be upon her which believed to be the mother of Arabs

[@quantumdot7393]

looks like i have to deal with the original thieves of Egyptian history. Listen buddy. The Copts didn't like you and they didn't help you conquer Egypt. I would know being Coptic myself. You are not even Egyptian so don't say as an Egyptian. So shut your mouth. You and that stupid laywer that in his lawsuit says the documentary doesn't fit Islamic values. Who gives a fuck about your Islamic values . Egyptians are Christian, actual Egyptians that is . And in that period of time they were neither. You rely on the ignorance of the western audience of these facts to further spread your lies. I guess if you lie about something long enough you finally believe it.

[@manga4774]

as an egyptian whos been silently dealing with Black Supremacy insults going my way & knowing and hearing these people spouting all this bullshit to me all these years, im so glad they are finally being called out for their BS.

[@EinALGHOUL]

الصمت ليس الحل، الأفروسنيتريك يجب أن يضربوا على وجوههم حتى يستيقظوا، لعنتهم العزى

[@darlahays2471]

I'm Native American and recently had certain people trying to convince me that there's no such thing as Native Americans. We are African Americans because they are the true indigenous people of America. I give up trying to argue it's like hitting my head against a brick wall.

[@manga4774]

@@darlahays2471 oh yes yes yes to that one too. they love to dismiss all native americans & claim they are the true natives... in their world view they are literally everything. we see you too.

[@sianjones7167]

When you have no clue, no education and no actual culture to speak of... steal everyone else's.

[@randomcenturion7264]

@@darlahays2471 Holy Shit, didn't even know that one was a thing.

[@brockdavid]

Jada Pinkett Smith didn’t need a self insert like this, she’s already royalty; Jada is the “Queen of Denial and Entanglements”

[@insertnamehere5809]

Queen of cuckolds

[@AshCosgrove]

And, just like her husband, she likes to slap the cheeks of other men.

[@horusba2620]

The depictions of Cleopatra as a white woman originated during the Renaissance period, specifically in the 16th century. During this time, European artists and writers often portrayed historical and mythological figures from ancient civilizations according to their own cultural ideals and standards of beauty. Cleopatra, being an Egyptian queen, was subject to these artistic interpretations, resulting in portrayals that did not accurately reflect her likely appearance. It is important to note that Cleopatra was a member of the Ptolemaic dynasty, which was of Macedonian Greek descent, and historians believe that she likely had Greek or Mediterranean features. Additionally, there is evidence to suggest that Cleopatra took measures to present herself as a legitimate Egyptian ruler, including adopting certain aspects of Egyptian culture and dress. However, the Renaissance depictions of Cleopatra as a white woman continued to persist in art and popular culture for centuries, contributing to a widely accepted but historically inaccurate image of her appearance. By the way, there were 7 Cleopatras the 7th being the most popular. Most people just parrot what they hear instead of doing actual research.

[@hideousruin]

​@@horusba2620 There were pale Greeks also. and in almost all times and places pale was associated with beauty and high-status. Even black Americans prefer lighter-skinned mates. I'm not saying that Cleopatra was pale skinned, but to say it necessarily had to be some whitewashing is absurd. Especially since the very idea of "white" is a very recent invention.

[@horusba2620]

@@hideousruin وصف المقريزي لأهل مصر : "أهل مصر يغلب عليهم الدعة والجبن والقنوط والشح وقلة الصبر وسرعة الخوف والحسد والنميمة والكذب والسعي إلى السلطان وذم الناس بالجملة، كما يغلب عليهم الشر والدنية التي تكون من دناءة النفس والطبع .....ومن أجل توليد أرض مصر الجبن والشرور والدنية لم تسكنها الأُسد، حتى كلابها أقل جرأة من كلاب غيرها من الأمصار، وكذلك سائر ما فيها أضعف من نظيره في البلدان الأخرى، ماخلا ما كان منها في طبعه ملايمة لهذا الحال كالحمار والأرنب". "المواعظ والاعتبار بذكر الخطط والآثار". ......... هذا ما كتبه المقريزي في عصره, والجدير بالذكر ان المقريزي شيخ المؤرخين المصريين المعروف باسم تقي الدين المقريزي ولد وتوفي في القاهرة(764 هـ ـ 845 هـ) (1364م - 1442م), أي عاش معاصرا لدولة المماليك البحرية ثم دولة المماليك الشركس (المماليك البرجية).

[@FunPicard]

I cried with joy at the bit where Napoleon Bonaparte is cowering in fear at Austerlitz, then Cleopatra burst through the enemy lines in her tank, rousing Bonaparte to believe he could win the day.

[@snakemcbain4569]

Everyone in my house stood up and clapped

[@Mr.Pallanza]

10:15 "No. You do not _imagine_ history, you *_discover_* history" Whole lot of imagining happened in this "Documentary" for sure.

[@SkidMan_Jurej]

The only people who imagine history are the people who want to rewrite it

[@realdragon]

Imagining history would be called "alternate history" and it can be pretty popular

[@patdaley9098]

You obviously have never done much history, much less tried to write about history. In a docudrama, the dramatic reenactments are imagined of necessity. In a pure documentary, any conclusion you draw from the (sparse) evidence necessarily requires imagination. So what do you imagine Cleopatra looked like?

[@NinjaBray]

​@@patdaley9098 Well, for starters, she wasn't black and didn't have an afro. She was likely tanned, had short hair or hair that went down instead of out into an afro for no reason, and been showered with all the finery an Egyptian noble could get their hands at the time. We don't have to imagine much about her appearance, all the information we have on her and her familial history is more than enough to make an educated guess. You do realize we still have people who live in Macedonia who could easily play the part of Cleopatra, alternatively there's this group of people in Egypt called Egyptians who would also be fairly close. Cleopatra was only 2,000 years ago, we have plenty of information on her even without very many surviving portraits.

[@rc59191]

​@@patdaley9098dude we have sculptures, paintings, and written accounts, she wasn't black get over it already.

[@that_Senni]

what a time we live in when the "Asterix & Obelix" depicted history more accurately than "documentary series"

[@ComradeCommissarYuri]

You seen the new Netflix asterix an obelix?

[@allangibson8494]

@@ComradeCommissarYuri It is still more accurate than “Cleopatra”… (and that is saying something).

[@martinmayhew145]

Yes, in Asterix, Cleopatra had a beautiful nose

[@antoinelachapelle3405]

​@@martinmayhew145 And a temper ! *Breaks a pot*

[@AxenfonKlatismrek]

Asterix and Obelix were written by Comedian duo, who have life experience, studied history and know how to make jokes. Uderzo based the comic franchise on his life experiences, people he knew, literature he read and understood and also historical facts. Goscinni also did this, but he died by the time Franchise reached its PEAK, then Uderzo had to make comics on his own, which wasnt as high as the peak, but was still near its peak. RIP UDERZO(My second favorite comic book writer) Female He-Monarch was based on isolated world views of activists, who think that entire world is like their Neo-Bolshevik school studies. The Afroamerican Kween is Female He-monarch, but with taste of Cultural revolution in Mao's era. If you want some historical movie, id reccomend 1612, which is a 2007 Russian movie about guy, who joins defense of Moscow against Polish army. Some people claim that this is "Propaganda" because reasons, but i dont see much of the propagandistic things about it, other than "Strong leadership, dangers and treachery of strangers and importance of patriotism"(Like in The Patriot, Braveheart and so on) Or in case of "Historical" TV Show, Spartacus: BLood and Sand(300 + Tits and Ass + Gachimuchi + Jupiter's cock + Gladiator = MANLY MEN)

[@the_absurd_hero]

Jada wasn’t content with ruining Will Smith; she had to go after Egypt, too

[@PossessiveK]

I snorted lmao

[@vrixphillips]

Egypt survived for thousands of years, it can survive Jada (Will knocks on my door and slaps it)

[@starkjet2197]

Lmao

[@loganicfilms1388]

What a leap, from man to country.

[@kinagrill]

only one punch man could handle the 100 pushups, situps and squats. he could manage to handle the baldness.

[@ShoRyuBarbie]

13:38 "All of Gaul?" Well, not entirely... One small village of indomitable Gauls still holds out against the invaders.

[@Fullmetal85]

Ah yes, no one can handle Asterix and Obelix, not even the mighty Romans.

[@ShoRyuBarbie]

@@Fullmetal85 Netflix could actually be an Asterix character.

[@edmundcowan9131]

Not really and Gual was not a country. It was a race of tribes only united by Caesar for a short time until they lost. It was the Germanic tribes who held out until Rome overcome by uncontrolled migration weakened by corrupt multi ethic army and broke by social spending who beat their B

[@bumblingbureaucrat6110]

It's a reference to a funny Comic book series

[@orsikocs]

@@edmundcowan9131it’s a reference to a cartoon chill 😂

[@elchudcampeador5642]

I also love how they made Caesar and other Romans as phenotypically Scandinavia instead of more Mediterranean like the average Roman would have been, they really wanted to drive home the point that brave black Cleopatra was fighting against pasty white AngloSaxons

[@Jimoshi1]

problem is that they show us that later everyone in norway and england was black too kinda shows us that whites lost or something?

[@jamescuttler8047]

@@Jimoshi1 they literally believe white people were created by a scientist named Yakub because he was evil

[@teodoro5987]

@@jamescuttler8047 lmao never thought to see his ig being referenced on yb

[@TheLordPolar]

Right XD?

[@lhebreu00ivri56]

Actually "Mediterranean ethnic" doesn't exist. Roman were an European people(ethnically, language...) so yes more closer to Scandinavian than to egyptians

[@justinbowers2749]

I have a few words to say on this subject as a history buff in general, AND a lover of Roman History In particular; 1. Thank you despot for watching something that we cannot watch ourselves for our own sanity. 2. The scene where Cleopatra burns a Roman soldiers face, that NEVER would’ve happened, because if it did happen, Queen Cleopatra would not have been queen very long as that soldier was a Roman citizen, and Rome was very touchy about how you treated Roman citizens. 3. I absolutely love Augustus, he is one of my favorite Roman emperors and see him treated like this in this mockumentary, is nothing short of character assassination. 4. Cleopatra was Macedonian and no amount of fake historians, or as you call them,skintulectuals, Can say or do to change that.

[@mitchamcommonfair9543]

Octavian seemed to me to be portrayed as Ralph Fiennes character in Schindlers List. The actor even looked like Ralph Fiennes. Also, the close ups of shackles on the children as they're led into what looks like some kind of truck was egregious. It seems to me that probably the greatest Roman of them all was portrayed straight up as a slave owning nazi officer

[@mitchamcommonfair9543]

...and yes, I agree, I love Octavian/Augustus too

[@annieandelsieofarendelle3294]

@@mitchamcommonfair9543 Which is even dumber because Cleopatra herself was a slave owner. There's also the fact that one of the main reasons that Cleopatra was able to get Caeser on her side was because Ptolmey had killed Pompey.

[@justinbowers2749]

That and the fact that Ptolemy was HEAVILY in debt to Rome, and Cleopatra promised to pay back while Ptolemy tried to kill Caesar. I think Adrian Goldsworthy said it best; despite her fame as a seductress and the image of a strong independent woman in a man’s world, Cleopatra was nothing more than one of several Client kings that had to bow to Rome, she was nothing special

[@tlothompson6935]

Augustus is my favorite historical figure as you can see. I knew this show sucked, but I never knew what they did to him until now. Furious.

[@mark20102012]

As an Egyptian, I applaud your bravery and thank you for your honesty. The culture war is still raging in Egypt. Afrocentrists have already started immigrating here in millions to try to "colonise" our land and our population is already large enough that our resources are hardly sufficient.

[@Jabberstax]

We have the same problem in Britain. You rarely see English people on the streets of London these days.

[@steffenjensen422]

Don't overestimate this. I know it feels like it's permeated everything, but it's actually just the cultural elite, mostly in the USA. People don't actually move in great numbers to sway politics, because most normal people seriously don't give a shit or are against this. People move because of economic interests usually and that's okay. I'm commenting because it can be easy to slip into "great-replacement" rabbit holes and the like, but that's not true, it's a culture war, not a real one after all. I can recommend reading Antonio Gramsci, also an Italian, about "cultural hegemony". Even if you don't agree with him politically, these people know that concept and try to use it. It can explain a lot of what's happening in my opinion

[@PrimeNPC]

The great replacement is about lowering the general IQ of populations so they're easier to control. The elites will be going full steam ahead with their plans after it was recently revealed how many people lack basic critical thinking ability

[@steffenjensen422]

@@PrimeNPC Your comment was the funniest thing I read all day. But now I'm unsure whether it was on purpose

[@PrimeNPC]

@@steffenjensen422 you think "the great replacement" is a "rabbit hole" lol when there's plain to see evidence that excessive immigration is being forced on many counties. Excessice immigration of low IQ populations. You also laugh about the general dumbing down of populations as if that isn't painfully obvious too. How do I know you're fully vaccinated and boosted?

[@kostasmihalopoulos882]

As a Greek I’m proud of the Egyptians that stood of for their history and admit that she was Greek and didn’t let the fact that she wasn’t Egyptian get in the way of making it insignificant! Major respect! 🇪🇬🇬🇷

[@majimew4553]

You know. They could have said this wasn't a documentary. Just tell the audience it's a fictional depiction of what could have happened if Cleopatra was a demigod Mary Sue character. Then yes, it would have been a mess, but no one could complain. Because right now, it honestly looks like a fanfiction of ancient Egypt.

[@stupid47]

It's all a big false flag on their part. They intentionally mislabel it as such, and then if people point out how wrong it is, they scream "racist!" It's the same "lather, rinse, repeat" tactic of the woke patrol and narcissists to convince themselves that everyone is just like them. It's a Western, particularly North American, attitude to go into a foreign nation and lecture them on what their history is, why they should be offended, or how they are a society of "racists" and "colonizers." Historical fact is anathema to them, and even then, they only see what they want to see. I look at people like this, and it's awful that these are the kind of people that are given a platform to speak for us. They claim to be "diverse, equitable, and inclusive," but then lecture so-called "colonizers" on what they can't wear or cook because "you're not from that culture" and that learning English is "imperialist." In a different way, they're telling you and everyone else to "stick to your own kind." Meanwhile, they prance around doing all the things they accuse everyone else of, including this blatant attempt at cultural appropriation, but since they're "diverse, equitable, and inclusive" and therefore "get it," they think, "oh, but it's okay when we do it." "DEI" no longer stands for "diversity, equity, and inclusion. It stands for "division, exclusion, and intolerance."

[@survivorofthecurse717]

I'd say this looks like a discord RP server, but most actually have good mods

[@christopherwebb3517]

Yep. Gladiator wasn't slammed nearly as much as Braveheart, despite being just as historically inaccurate, precisely because, unlike Braveheart, Gladiator never presented itself as a true story.

[@snowangelnc]

The Great hasn't stirred up this kind of controversy, even though it's a ridiculously inaccurate portrayal of Catherine the Great. It works because they're very open about the fact that it's a comedy that's loosely based on a historical person and that they aren't trying at all to be realistic.

[@sadrakeyhany7477]

​@@snowangelnc look at monthy python

[@allnonethevoid1487]

I can't believe an anime about card games was more historically accurate than a California made documentary

[@matthewsalyer9804]

This show needs to be banished to the shadow realm 😂

[@alfalldoot6715]

It's in the name "California made" is a recipe for disaster

[@acuothacuoth502]

jojos is more accurate jojos has vampires

[@robertmiles1603]

california? fucking yuck, no wonder its so awful

[@SiGUYE]

Why someone would make this for any reason is beyond me 😢

[@daneyal7162]

Like I said before, this show needs to be put as a permenant mark of SHAME on the resumes of all the woke "experts" who took part in this garbage show.

[@MCShifo111]

Netflix and Afrocentricity create a cultural invasion of the future. They say Cleopatra is black. People get angry with her, so they come back and say, sorry, Cleopatra is white, but the families before Cleopatra were of the black race, so we accept this in the future. As an Egyptian, I am very sad about what is happening now because racism and aggression are being practiced against us Because they call the Egyptians now that they are Arab invaders I'd like to give you a little bit of history, you ignoramuses. The Arabs trace their origins to an Egyptian mother named Hajar. Now we say that Egypt is the mother of the Arabs and the mother of the world. So don't come now and call us invaders All Africans know that each country has its own culture, so the ignorant person who has no history claims that the Egyptian civilization belongs to him. An entire people is now being stripped of its identity Is it possible to say that all the peoples of Asia are of Chinese origin? You can say that the Latino is of Mexican race

[@schnek8927]

Not just this show. Woke "experts" period. They sure do love their "bUt tHe ExpeRts sAY"... As if no person with authority has ever been wrong, or been ideologically possessed... Not that i expect leftists to not be naïve, it's par for the course, but still.

[@3brenm]

The fact they have the nerve to call this barrel of shameless vanity and historical misrepresentation a documentary is unbelievable to me, and I'm on the left politically.

[@Prich319]

If there is any justice in this world, Debora Heard is denied her doctorate for her participation in this pathetic revisionism.

[@kavky]

@@Prich319 The guys who launched the idea of a black Cleopatra were pioneers of Pan-African and Africana Studies of sociology, not history of course. They spent years maybe decades teaching this lie as a fact completely ignoring the rejection of their claims from serious historians. The lie is now too deeply rooted to be removed from public consciousness.

[@girishkarajgi2732]

I think the words "Executive Producer Jada Pinkett Smith" Should've been thee first clue.

[@Leinsterr]

I am a history student, currently writing my masters degree. What baffles me is not only the AUDACITY to ignore the hundredes of years of resesrch but «PhD» idiots WITHOUT ANY real expertise within the field of Egyptology speaking as if they have any authority on this subject. This is insane… (also Cleopatra came to me in a dream lady… what???)

[@gintokisakata1917]

Yeah, but do you have a black grandma? Because if you did, you'd already have a PHD and proof that Julius Caesar was black too. Because her grandma told her "Ain't no white man named Julius! Julius Caesar was black!"

[@patdaley9098]

Actually, the scholarly experts are quite real. Look them up. They just don't say what some random internet commentators say they do. The have taught the material, participated in excavations, given lectures, written relevant books, etc. Some people have dreams, sometimes they inspire them to study or do something. Her dreams did not tell the old lady professor what results she should get.

[@syafiqulaiman6950]

@@patdaley9098my grandmother told me that trump is black. you cant say otherwise. deal with it

[@patdaley9098]

​@@syafiqulaiman6950 I certainly can say otherwise. -First, no one in the docudrama thinks Cleopatra was black. The lady does not agree with her old, dead grandma, which you would know had you actually watched it. -Second, actress Adele James skin tone is a lightish brown. She is mixed race, not black. -Donald Trump may have a black heart but his skin not black.

[@zadaofficial8091]

​@@patdaley9098 Dude, just stfu. You've been asserting utter nonsense in every reply you give.

[@aaronjukes2223]

This feels like it should be a crime against humanity or something. It's not as severe as destroying physical artifacts, but it's somewhere in that region.

[@Xbalanque84]

*It is.*

[@comrade7324]

Agreed

[@RoddyPipersCorneas]

It's partly an attempt to use propaganda to degrade the honorable history of European people as a racial group.

[@Kyragos]

It is potentially worse than destroying artifacts. What they're trying to do is to change history in order to suit their own needs and motivations. History might be distorted and lost for entire generations or more if done on a scale large enough. This is akin to what is done in 1984.

[@emilyadams3228]

It's worse. It's destruction of the history behind the artifacts, and the very idea of history itself.

[@ThatSunnycide]

So glad to know we live in 1984 now. Netflix is now literally roleplaying the Ministry of Truth.

[@henryneubert7798]

I was about to comment that, if you agree with everything in this documentary, it would be Doublethink. They say that her dynasty was from Makedonia and that they practiced incest, and at the same time they race-swap her. That means that either there a adults who are not sentient enough to realize their Doublethink or that nobody was happy with this production (including the producers). There really isn't any other option that I'm aware of.

[@athejbaka7084]

Liberal Pluralism isn’t authoritarian it’s simply it’s inevitable conclusion

[@georgecisneros5281]

@AtheJbaka. Indeed. That’s why the basic process of history, as folks like Marx pretty much laid it out, is as as such. Liberal Pluralism, or “Democracy/Capitalism” leads to Socialism. Socialism leads to Communism. And Communism leads to the End of History! Cycle complete.

[@jamesguinan415]

This docutruth was double plus good

[@streetlegalone]

We all need to worship Big Grandmother. Big Grandmother Is Watching You.

[@kuwanger12]

One minor correction, Octavian was not known as Octavian at the time, as you mention at 36:10. His name was Gaius Octavius Thurinus prior to his adoption by Caesar. After being adopted, his name changed to Gaius Julius Caesar. This is the name he was known by at the time of the show's setting. Later, he would add the cognomen "Augustus" to his name, becoming Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus. "Octavian" is short for "Octavianus", which means "formerly Octavius". It is only a convention used by historians to prevent confusing Octavian himself with his grand uncle Caesar, it was never used as his name by Romans.

[@the_absurd_hero]

I seriously doubt any of the talking heads Netflix paid for this trash even know Latin, let alone the historical naming conventions of the Romans

[@innosanto]

Ok but we use this name for reference.

[@vl.v]

"Skintellectual" is an amazingly appropriate pun. Well done!

[@dragonforks93]

That's what we call a linguistic killshot

[@jensphiliphohmann1876]

Definitely!

[@matthiasthulman4058]

"culture vulture" is another term that comes to mind

[@NinjaBray]

I love the "We don't know who Cleopatra's mother was, we don't know who her grandmother was" line, because we do know and her (Cleopatra VII, the famous one) mother was Cleopatra V (Cleopatra VI was around a year old when she died and was Cleopatra VII's older sister), her grandmothers were Berenice III and Cleopatra IV. Cleopatra V's grandmother (Cleopatra VII's Great-Grandmother) is believed to be Cleopatra Selene I, who is Cleopatra IV's sister. Both Cleopatra Selene I and Cleopatra IV share a mother in Cleopatra III.

[@hurricanefury439]

that must have been fun at family gatherings

[@andrewjones7532]

Did George RR Martin name them?

[@rishab0B]

With a history that "easy" I am in favor of saying "Yeah we don't know" Goddam the level of confusion this caused my brain 😂

[@NinjaBray]

@@rishab0B If you think this is bad, go look at the hapsburg family tree.

[@rishab0B]

@@NinjaBray oh those incestuous bunch of retards with Easter island heads?

[@generalalduin9548]

It’s actually kind of sad They could've talked about African queens and respected history, actually bringing attention to African history, something that is severely overlooked Instead they rewrite history for politics

[@stupid47]

It's called historical revisionism. They're in the same league as Holocaust deniers.

[@voluntaryismistheanswer]

Like Disney and the frog movie, they had to rip off a European folk tale, they couldn't promote an African one?

[@flickcentergaming680]

If they wanted a black African character, they should have made an actual documentary about Mansa Musa or Shaka Zulu! Granted, they were men so the people who made this trash would probably get offended at the very IDEA of making a movie about yet another DUDE.

[@generalalduin9548]

@@flickcentergaming680 I half agree. This project was for African queens, not African kings. However, these are interesting figures in Africa's history, so I say they deserve their own docudrama, which coincidentally helps further the goal of these people

[@destructionindustries1987]

Because the point is to attack white americans

[@Ken-fh4jc]

The ironic part is if she wanted to tell a story about black Africa history there is plenty of history there.

[@Mr.Malliquin666]

And that makes it worse because it means that they are trying to rewrite history as they know none of the crap they're saying is true and are stupid enough to believe that we will fall for it.

[@mohawkan423023]

Ironically, the backlash that this "documentary" got is what is actually educating people about Egypt, the Ptolemaic dynasty, and the Classical World in general, instead of the series itself so... task failed successfully hahah

[@memoryhero]

And here we all thought Jada Smith's worst offense was going to be inspiring Will to make an absolute ass of himself in front the world on live television. Turns out she was just warming up.

[@MarieFirst]

Will Smith is a simp.

[@arthurballs9632]

I'm looking forward to Will Smith right-handing some little, old Egyptian scholar who doesn't accept the phactual accuracy of JPS's documentary.

[@chilpeeps]

Well she also sleep with her sons friend

[@TrueZoomerof2003]

Her and Will clearly deserve each other.

[@buttercxpdraws8101]

This ‘documentary’ is atrocious. However Will Smith is a grown man and fully responsible for his own actions.

[@ironcladnomad5639]

Old Lady: "Cleopatra was black." Me: "Charlize Theron is African-American."

[@klausroxin4437]

And Elon Musk of course.

[@michaelcooreman3509]

@@klausroxin4437 For Elon Musk they believe he is alien... People today are crazy....

[@therealspeedwagon1451]

We wuz kweens and shiet

[@nula654]

Well you know everyone in Africa, then also in South Africa is black. So Charlize is black, and so am I! It's as ridiculous as Charlize saying only like 44 people in the world speak Afrikaans.... ek is een van hulle. It's so stupid and insidious. I HATE when they do this.

[@vesnalukic9898]

Actually, she is a pure African, born and raised in Africa , and because that all Africans are black.. she is black also :p

[@StrangeCreed]

"Cleopatra In Space," a sci-fi cartoon and comic book, had roughly the same amount of grounding in history. The major difference is it did not pretend to be factual and was genuinely entertaining.

[@hyldadjermoune-mokrani2442]

let me just say this, I am not Egyptian, but as a proud North-African of Amazigh Origin, this whole story is so infuriating because it's like europe and sub-saharan Africa and Arabs all of a sudden are claiming a whole people's identity and race as if we didn't have any. North Africans are diverse, we are our own people, been so for 3000+ years, the language I speak on a daily basis is a dialect derived from it, as well as different dialects all over my country and neighbouring ones. I am very pale skinned, my father is tanner, my mother is white as a ghost, my father in law is very tan, and most people to the south of my country (the Sahara) are generally proper Black...etc, not one of us is referring to themselves as "more european" or "more african" we are north african Amazighs, period. heck, the 22nd dynasty of Egypt was founded by a Numidian (north-african) king Shashnaq (Shoshenk in european terminology), Cleopatra's own daughter Cleopatra Selene II married our king Yuva II (Juba). it's more than just disrespect and ignorance, its the REFUSAL to see us as our own people, rather just a mix of all the people who fought so hard to take our land and culture from us. at least read a book, we tried so hard to keep our culture alive after many attempts to erase it. Euro-centric or Afro-centric, it's all wrong if that means the erasure of ACTUAL existing cultures for the sake of "representation", they have enough kings and queens on their own sides, why don't they talk about those?

[@fritolaid6805]

The producer was a Persian so it’s like Persians invading Greeks and North Africa again

[@Yeeter000]

You barley have a history or a civilization, you're nomads without much history, dont put yourself among groups who have actually contributed to humanity

[@i_wouldprefer_not_to1196]

Hey, our English Anne Boleyn was of sub Saharan stock according to the propagandists that made a recent drama about her. (Despite portraits depicting her as pale as you could imagine) Now you know how we feel!

[@mohamedbelkacem9889]

​@@i_wouldprefer_not_to1196we always felt that way, afrocentric narrative as well as eurocentric ones and Arabic centric tend to deny out culture and history, problem is the rest of north Africa isn't as well known as Egypt and as such people are much more willing to believe those lies.

[@SiGUYE]

Yeah they went too far making this thing. This so called documentary.

[@sebastianprimomija8375]

But...but...but her grandmother. I just love how Rome, the HBO drama is more historically accurate to the characters of Caesar, Mark Anthony, and Octavius compared to the supposed Documentary. Edit: The Egyptians had wells called Nilometers along the Nile River that measured the water level and clarity of the Nile. They had records of seasonal changes. They weren't going to blame Cleopatra either way because they knew this happened from time to time.

[@Ocean_Man_]

Well why would you even blame a leader on a natural disaster so that you have to mention that "its not his fault" OF COURSE ITS NOT HIS FAULT Its not like Biden is responsible for all the rains in the USA. So when a heavy rain occurs, its "his" fault. Its not like country leaders control the sea level and rains 🤣

[@MCShifo111]

Netflix and Afrocentricity create a cultural invasion of the future. They say Cleopatra is black. People get angry with her, so they come back and say, sorry, Cleopatra is white, but the families before Cleopatra were of the black race, so we accept this in the future. As an Egyptian, I am very sad about what is happening now because racism and aggression are being practiced against us Because they call the Egyptians now that they are Arab invaders I'd like to give you a little bit of history, you ignoramuses. The Arabs trace their origins to an Egyptian mother named Hajar. Now we say that Egypt is the mother of the Arabs and the mother of the world. So don't come now and call us invaders All Africans know that each country has its own culture, so the ignorant person who has no history claims that the Egyptian civilization belongs to him. An entire people is now being stripped of its identity Is it possible to say that all the peoples of Asia are of Chinese origin? You can say that the Latino is of Mexican race

[@wedgeantilles8575]

And the HBO show was bad enough to start with. A Julius Caesar who says to a priest that he has nothing to do with religion is so ridiculous. I didn't know if I should laugh or cry. Your edit: Well, it WAS part the job of the Pharao to get the Nile flooding. It was not a big deal if it didn't happen properly in a year. But if the Nile didn't provide a good harvest for several years, things did get uncomfortable. Remember, Pharaos were not human being but considered to have a close relationship with the gods. They WERE responsible for a flooding Nile, for a good harvest.

[@DustinBarlow8P]

@@wedgeantilles8575 HBO Rome isn't marked as "Documentary" when you view it. On the DVD commentary, the creator states "We had to change some historical fact in order to make an more entertaining story. Other than that we made the setting as close to history as possible, " I just shake my head when "KZbin Historical scholars" nitpick works that are CLEARLY Historical Fiction. I love researching history, it wasn't school, documentaries or listening to other people spout off what they know, that piqued my interest. It was Kingdom of Heaven, Braveheart, HBO Rome, Gladiator, 47 Ronin, The Last Samurai and 13th Warrior. These works of Historical FICTION, got me interested enough in the periods to go read up on the actual history. I believe the point of Historical Fiction, is to get people (most notably young people) interested in history, so that they to go and research their favorite time periods. sidenote: Nobody cares what Julius Caesar said to a priest.

[@wedgeantilles8575]

@@DustinBarlow8P In YT comments HBOs Rome is often described as being so historically correct. Can you have a lot of fun with the show? Sure. Should you watch it? Yeah, why not? However, it is important to keep in mind, that - especially the characters - are fiction and have in many many scenes nothing to do with the original. If you think you know anything about the historical characters because you watched the show, you are mistaken. And as an example - because most people demand "proof" if you put up an unpopular opinion - I chose Caesar, who the show portrait as a "mere" general who had nothing to do with religion. (Which btw was NOT necessary for the show - this could have easily been presented correctly!) I am not sure why you feel offended that I clarified this, but I am sure you have your reasons.

[@MrS-pe6sd]

Well, my grandmother told me that Shaka Zulu was white, so I’m gonna make a documentary about a white Shaka Zulu. The South African chief of the Zulu tribe. It’ll be great I’m going to interview her as my lead expert. Netflix isn’t calling me back for some reason though

[@A_YouTube_Commenter]

He was Puerto Rican.

[@MrS-pe6sd]

@@A_KZbin_Commenter well sure, because everyone’s Puerto Rican. I’m pretty sure all life started in Puerto Rico

[@damianjblack]

@@MrS-pe6sd the Cambrian Explosion began in Puerto Rico!

[@kingkoi6542]

Was Shaka Zulu even South African? I thought he conquered the South African tribes?

[@bdleo300]

Shaka Zulu was a trans woman. Woman King 2.0

[@Sundaydish1]

"She was an African queen" 69 BCE: Cleopatra is born in Egypt. She is the second daughter of Ptolemy XII. She and the rest of the Ptolemys were of almost pure Macedonian Greek ancestry, possibly of some Iranian but no Egyptian ancestry. Netflix are acting like Ancient Aliens.

[@masondegaulle5731]

Perfectly represents the ideology of people who use phrases like "My truth".

[@patdaley9098]

And does Ruan Woodside's documentary not try to present the real Cleopatra?

[@chocolategirl2741]

@@patdaley9098 Everyone ignore this person. They’re in every comment section trying to push really hard. Seriously, DO NOT even attempt to entertain them. You can see for yourself.

[@your_belief_vs_everything]

You the mythology, not ideology.

[@survivorofthecurse717]

​@@chocolategirl2741It's a joke, with the only standing ovation being a walk to a nearby salad bar for tomatoes to throw

[@nigachu8249]

​@@patdaley9098get back in the sewers bitch

[@jannovak304]

I remember my grandmother saying to me: "I dont care what Netflix racists say, they can't rewrite history."

[@malashurik1]

My grandfather told me: I don't care what they tell you in this documentary, Cleopatra had big boobs.

[@manoz6194]

I see your grandfather was a man of culture

[@fairybeliever4479]

My grandfather said she had 3 big ones. And her real name was Clitophatass.

[@xLeandroIX]

as a self appointed highly qualified historian, this is 100% accurate

[@DrCruel]

Cleopatra was a dude, man. He died from yanking his snake. 😃

[@AxenfonKlatismrek]

You know, this might not be fake, she was the Marilyn Monroe of her era, except with higher education than Monroe

[@solarprophet5439]

Cleopatra being black wasn't even that bad. Had they otherwise been true to history, nowhere near as many people would've cared. But no, they had to make her into a black savior Mary Sue wannabe who only lost everything due to the incompetence of all the men around her. UGH. They couldn't just blackwash her, they had to blackwash an entire period of Egyptian history as well.

[@ruthuhl1969]

The number of people who demand their "truth" to be accepted as the new truth is scary.

[@noless]

People only say "my truth" when they are lying.

[@ruthuhl1969]

@@noless haha, and how many say that 😆! My favourite is :" One day I'll tell my truth", but they never seem to do it ....

[@Eugene_Black]

​@@noless that's so true

[@doksh5740]

Sorry, what you're saying is not clear. What is the new truth? Please clarify.

[@Tskuyomi28]

This movie is historically accurate, Cleopatra was black and she deserves all credit for the battles. Really, she also invented the wheel, steam engine, electricity, and the internet (all without the help of men)! I’m female Ph.D candidate and i approve of this movie.

[@PALACIO254]

She was also the world bey-blade champ 5 years running and one hell of a pizza chef and no one is ever brave enough to bring up the time she brought rock n roll to the Martians in 87 on her magic flying skateboard

[@jonesrbd1]

She also invented Calculus, shortly before Newton came along and stole all the credit. Then she invented the Theory of Relativity all by herself. Unfortunately, the clerk at the patent office she brought it to stole all her work and took all the credit. Also, knowing that the dinosaurs were a major threat to humanity, Cleopatra sent a laser beam from the Great Pyramid directly into a nearby meteor, effectively changing its trajectory so that it would crash into the Yucatan Peninsula. This assured that the dinosaurs would go extinct, which would allow human beings to flourish. This used to be common knowledge, before it got totally whitewashed.

[@flickcentergaming680]

How could you forget that she very nearly perfected time travel when those stupid Romans came along?

[@A_YouTube_Commenter]

Also the first woman to compete in the UFC and win multiple world titles.

[@destructionindustries1987]

Lol good troll

[@simp4games788]

How bad do you haveta screw up to get sued by an ENTIRE COUNTY💀💀💀

[@randomcenturion7264]

Netflix Levels of Bad

[@starkjet2197]

Jada levels of bad 💀

[@HP3TV]

This was an old myth based on the assumption that being an African automatically makes one Black. The same people who believed it did not acknowledge Alexander the Great's conguering of Egypt, or the fact that the Nubians to the South conquered Egypt in earlier dynasties to create ancient relics that depicted Nubian features.

[@urivan9613]

This series is actually a gift for every sensible human being because they´ve finally crossed the line. By calling it a documentary and even bringing in ¨experts¨ they have exposed themselevs in a way they´ve never done before. This is how history is being teached in various faculties of social sciences all over the Western world. This is Critical Race Theory at its purest. So we can only hope that this garbage brings aweraness among honest intellectuals and people who care about this kind of stuff to the way our youth is being indoctrinated by this insulting historical revisionism, and hopefully do something about it.

[@shkhamd]

eeh, they cross such line every now and then. There are boat loads of idiots who worship these woke witches like their god mother.

[@Trollificusv2]

It also shows how easy it is to adopt the guise of "expert authority", when all you have is people who have _adopted_ irrelevant credentials and find "experts" with fringe views that fit the desired narrative. Documentary, schmockumentary.,

[@zawarudo1041]

If the experts panel doesn't have at least 50% of white people, out of which everyone doesn't have fancy hair colours and no tattoos and no "pronouns", this expert panel opinion might be automatically dismissed

[@kylemendoza8860]

I wouldn't get my hopes too high. I have had that same thought on a few things before.

[@2.Panzerdivision]

It's not revisionism, it's heritage erasure.

[@marcovalens1797]

The irony is that Cleopatra was a ruler belonging to a foreign dynasty that had colonized Egypt and discriminated against the native populations. She was Macedonian Greek. The Ptolemaics imposed a strict social hierarchy in Egypt, with the Macedonian Greeks as the ruling caste, other Greeks, then foreigners, and disenfranchised Native Egyptians at the bottom. On the other hand, they skilfully played the religious card to appease the masses, by creating new syncretic deities which combined the Hellenistic and Native Egyptian pantheons. So it's true that Egypt at the time was a colony, but a Hellenistic one, and Cleo's family were the colonizers.

[@jacquelineking5783]

Yeah clearly no one involved in the project were aware that Cleopatra and her dynasty were literal colonizers. It kinda amazed me that people were trying to ignore it.

[@zawarudo1041]

Imagine crap so bad that colonized country is suing you for the depiction of colonizer 😅

[@Krystalmyth]

Egypt deserves to win their case against corporate Netflix. It would be so ugly for the United States globally, to not give Egypt a win over the defense of their own history and culture. It will not be easily forgotten by many nations, well within and beyond the continent of Africa.

[@mirceazaharia2094]

I hope that they don't give them the win, if only to turn the World against American crap cultural exports even more. The age of American cultural hegemony MUST END. And no more of that Asian sh*t, either.

[@moosefromsky3986]

As an American, I hope Greece also joins in that lawsuit. Ever since the whole Cuties fiasco, I have been wanting Netflix to get knocked down a few pegs. They have no business being that arrogant after showing such filth.

[@comentedonakeyboard]

41:44 the Sphinx lost her nose because of a Gaul, at least according to the Asterix Comics, which are more acurate then this Netflix "documentary"

[@phantomstarlight1366]

It's no wonder fictional characters are shown so little respect, when this is how they treat REAL people.

[@doksh5740]

Not clear. What do you mean?

[@patdaley9098]

@@doksh5740 Well, Megan Kelly assured us that Santa Claus is white! Not to mention the Little Mermaid.

[@EllaKowalski9]

Me, an Italian who studied the Roman Empire, Latin and ancient Greek (both language and culture) for five years in High School, I'm cringing so much at everything that I can't be sorry enough for Egyptians.

[@saniwa655]

io, che non ho fatto il classico bensì solo lo scientifico e poi studiato storia all'università, piango con te

[@jabba233hutt3]

Yooo, must be fun studying Rome in Italy, you can go to see those old structures on road trips.

[@R4M_Tommy]

​@@jabba233hutt3 heah, we do

[@vasileiosavlonitis8895]

as a Greek and part of the Roman empire i dont know what i feel more bad.... Cleopatra, Egyptians or that portrait of caesar Augustus

[@patdaley9098]

Did you actually watch the docudrams? Most of the criticism is not true.

[@sekanstar3243]

I learned so much about Cleopatra and the people in that period ever since that "document" came out, not from that horrendous show of course, but from every other KZbinrs that raised up and give us the correct information, much appreciated, you guys are the hero that we need in this evil time, never give up the fight for our history, our children, our cultures and our future

[@niksonrex88]

Yeah same, shows how interesting that period of history is. Makes me want to really research it in depth, all the leaders, the wars, the politics. Its all amazing.

[@patdaley9098]

Pity. You could have learned a lot about Cleopatra's life and times from the docudrama. It's pretty good, and most of the criticisms made against it are false.

[@sekanstar3243]

@@patdaley9098 there are people that watch Velma and She Hulk or Batwoman and think they're good too so agree to disagree

[@niksonrex88]

@@patdaley9098 troll spotted

[@patdaley9098]

@@niksonrex88 Have you actually watched the docudrama?

[@Thagrynor]

"Anyone can imagine Cleopatra however they want." OK, then I imagine that Cleopatra was basically the doppleganger of George Lopez. Fight me, people at Netflix. Why didn't you make this show to reflect my image of Cleopatra? Racists! oi ..... these people are ridiculous

[@erieriderschillingcorner1595]

Yeah, i imagine Cleopatra as a white goth girl with abs. Where's my version netflix? I am offended.

[@Lynn.-_-.]

​@@erieriderschillingcorner1595Hey they were definitely a he. It was the personification of giga Chad men

[@erieriderschillingcorner1595]

@@Lynn.-_-. gigapatra

[@ceilingsintheireyes6288]

Jada's floating bald head over Palpatine's face and the "Caesar Augustus Alpha Chad" joke had me in stitches, you get a like and a sub my friend haha

[@jackmeeks2294]

Have you seen his 2022 Woke Awards!? If not, I highly recommend it. I laughed my ass off the whole way through! Just sort his videos by most popular, its the first one.

[@moyu8636]

@@jackmeeks2294 I recommend his review on Rings of Power too. He basically mentioned all the BS that show had (which is the entire show now that I think about it).

[@Ah1My-Spinach-Puffs1]

I’m a graduate of the University of Omaha (UNO) and this is completely embarrassing. Black studies is in the Arts and Science building (the oldest building on campus) and it is only one classroom so how this became a huge deal at our school idk. I am utterly ashamed. Edit: to my knowledge we didn’t have an Egyptian studies when I left (I graduated 2018 and got my masters 2022) Our archaeology department was studying Peruvian archaeology. Not one drop of Egyptian studies was offered in the whole department.

[@biotrekker]

Ironically, there was an actual Nubian queen - Amanirenis who did fight off the Romans, for a while, anyway. But, instead of telling that story, they chose to appropriate Cleopatra's story for their purposes simply because of name recognition. It's unfortunate that today's Afrofuturism seems rooted in the delusional appropriation of other cultures' stories and accomplishments.

[@kylemendoza8860]

There were literal black pharaohs. There were literal black Roman emperors.

[@archangel6676]

@@kylemendoza8860 who was the black Roman emporer?

[@kylemendoza8860]

@@archangel6676 I cannot recall the name right now. But they also had an Arab. Philip the Arab. Marcus Phillipus .

[@titfortat5727]

​@@kylemendoza8860 guess why you cannot recall😅.. You understand that can and existed Roman's that were born outside rome or modern italy right? After the conquest they moved around the empire.

[@kylemendoza8860]

@@titfortat5727 Yes. Also they romanized many people that were from different cultures. Believe it or don't believe it. Look it up to learn more. I don't care.

[@SpareSomeChange8080]

Netflix should be sued in _every_ country for this. Calling this a "documentary" is false advertising.

[@suenzhong7891]

Jada Pinkett Smith and her crew had the audacity to claim they were doing a historical documentary but wrote a historical fanfiction so terrible that no sane person would want to publish it even on Wattpad.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

"Jada Pinket's *bald* faced lies" Please stop, i can't take any more! 😂

[@iAmEbolaWoT]

I was waiting for Will Smith's hand to slap the hell outta him for that line...HAHAHAHA!

[@humboldtharry1289]

I’m ashamed to admit I missed that

[@bdleo300]

@@iAmEbolaWoT that 'sIap' was more fake Cleopatra's swordsmanship...

[@JoeOvercoat]

@@bdleo300 I am hazy on the various weapons of the period, and she’s not holding a scimitar, but I could swear both she and her opponent are holding their weapons backwards/upside down. I came out to the comments trying to anyone’s remarks upon that because I don’t know it just looks wrong.

[@markm5193]

I hope that whenever Jada makes a post online people call her out for her sexual encounters with the very young 14 y/o boy from the kiddie band Kriss Kross not to mention she turned him onto drugs which he died by drugs. Also involved with the boy was Chili from the R&B band TLC. Not to mention Robert De Niro who was involved in underage trafficking in France. The liars at Fact Check you know the sexual deviants claimed he wasn't arrested! True he bought his way out of that trouble.

[@adhirajsinha5895]

The character assassination of Octavian (later Augustus) is the biggest crime. The man was a freaking legend who brought peace and prosperity to the Roman empire which they did not enjoy even during the time of Caesar. Shame.

[@damianjblack]

Damn right. Admittedly I'm biased as he is an ancestor of mine. 😝

[@sb-tb1oh]

"What have the Roman's ever done for us!" Monty Python , Life of Brian, 😂

[@damianjblack]

@sb-tb1oh well in Rome you can say Jehovah. 😂

[@georgeray1906]

​@@sb-tb1oh Brought peace?

[@jeff5534]

Thank you for including clips from Rome’s depiction of Cleopatra, that show was incredible and ironically it portrayed Cleopatra in a far more complex and powerful way, she was intelligent, witty, cruel and deceptive. It was a masterful portrayal and far more realistic than this dross. I wonder who’s history black feminists are going to co-opt next? What about Anne Boleyn? Oh wait….

[@theonlylauri]

Cleopatra became the client ruler of Egypt by exploiting her relationship with one man, stayed that way by attaching herself to another, and finally lost to a third one so decisively she had to commit suicide. Even the idea of her girlbossing all over Mark Antony owes a lot to Octavian's smear campaign against him. All this was her playing a weak hand pretty well, and she's a historical figure worthy of respect, but depicting her as some kind of feminist empowerment ideal is peak comedy.

[@cybertramon0012]

I’ve read that Rome had a big habit of portraying their enemies as stronger than they really were so that they’d look like the underdogs rather than invaders. So a lot of history of their enemies is muddled because of that.

[@theonlylauri]

@@cybertramon0012 Kinda, though I'd say it was more about creating justifications for their wars and hyping up the victories (Octavian did both with Cleopatra). Romans didn't have much sympathy for the victims and though their leaders weren't supposed to just run around conquering places, they saw imperialism as fundamentally good thing. Romans were in some ways very alien to us today.

[@cybertramon0012]

@@theonlylauri That’s something I feel too many people in Entertainment don’t seem to get. The civilisations of the past were very different from us in certain ways. Something I came across is that they had no concept of prisoners of war. The idea that you’d waste resources to keep soldiers from the other side contained instead of putting them to work as slaves would sound as crazy as saying the moon really is made of cheese.

[@theonlylauri]

@@cybertramon0012 They had no legal concept of PoW's, but that just left captors with human beings at their mercy. Unsurprisingly, there is a wide variety of ways captives got treated, ranging from incredibly cruel to quite humane. Same people often did both, depending on circumstances. Anyway, historical dramas are really good at showing how ancients were at the same time quite a like and profoundly different to us. HBO's Rome season 1 was great in this way. Mostly it's just shit not even worth raging against.

[@urzmontst.george6314]

Exactly. This crock-umentary is not accurate in any way.

[@badplay156]

One other fact for consideration was that in Rome the women strived to be pale skinned, trying not to go out in the sun as it would darken their skin. Perhaps this was with the thought that the peasants and slaves worked outside and would get tanned. Cleopatra was described by the Romans when she spent her time in Rome as being of surpassing beauty, which would require her skin to be pale.

[@stephan6372]

So true. The hellenistic model of beauty was pale skin.

[@MCShifo111]

Netflix and Afrocentricity create a cultural invasion of the future. They say Cleopatra is black. People get angry with her, so they come back and say, sorry, Cleopatra is white, but the families before Cleopatra were of the black race, so we accept this in the future. As an Egyptian, I am very sad about what is happening now because racism and aggression are being practiced against us Because they call the Egyptians now that they are Arab invaders I'd like to give you a little bit of history, you ignoramuses. The Arabs trace their origins to an Egyptian mother named Hajar. Now we say that Egypt is the mother of the Arabs and the mother of the world. So don't come now and call us invaders All Africans know that each country has its own culture, so the ignorant person who has no history claims that the Egyptian civilization belongs to him. An entire people is now being stripped of its identity Is it possible to say that all the peoples of Asia are of Chinese origin? You can say that the Latino is of Mexican race

[@B777-h6q]

Cleopatra cared a lot about her skin and bathe in goat milky daily. No way was she dark skinned.

[@RoninDave]

the desirability of paler skin is in many cultures including black ones because paler meant those who didn't toil outdoors and had the ability to live inside large structures as well as have servants shelter them from the sun. In women it was especially a sign of beauty showing her social status and good breeding.

[@therealspeedwagon1451]

For a long time being pale and even being overweight was a sign of beauty and attraction as that meant you had power and wealth. Now that you can be like that by default the trend has changed. Odd that once humans have access to the standards and resources they only once dreamed of they decide the old ways were more ideal.

[@elitronprime7322]

While Velma was the first most reviled of this year, it was only the prologue of things to come later down the line

[@ScottishBasset]

At least Velma was just an unfunny comedy and is thus harmless. This garbage claims to be historically accurate and this kind of historical revisionism is dangerous.

[@jeremybrimmer1990]

The thing about Velma is that the animators to intentionally draw Velma eyebrows all angry bird-ish. Why? Same thing with Korg at the end of thor love and thunder; why does grotesque animation get green lighted.

[@gabrijelskrenkovic475]

I cant wait for the WW2 adaptation where Hitler will be played by the black actor

[@ChristyCarrillo-cj7xd]

😂😂😂😂

[@janponizil608]

I almost cried how well you depicted the real Augustus, such a crazy smart human despite his lack of military genius. He just made other military geniuses do it for him. I refuse to believe that someone actually believes that shitshow is real depiction of history... All hail Gaius Julius Caesar and Caesar Augustus.

[@sajidteg4682]

Zip it up when youre done

[@blox1134]

@@sajidteg4682 WAZZUP MY KANG

[@survivorofthecurse717]

Ave. True to Caesar.

[@nathancollins1715]

One of the wisest things a leader can do is to know when to heed his advisors.

[@Wolffur]

Ave Caesar. Roma Aeterna Victrix!

[@TheJudge1933]

My grandma tells me that bigfoot is an alien and that she's a descendant of Leif Erikson. I used to doubt her claims but now I know better, since now grandmas are historical citations

[@justinebidulopoutchini9774]

For someone who studied history in college, this is infuriating. Fun fact, cleopatra is closer in time to us than the construction of the pyramids!

[@patdaley9098]

How do you know his criticisms of Queen Cleopatra are correct, if you didn't watch it?

[@justinebidulopoutchini9774]

@@patdaley9098 im not giving them more hate watching thank you. The premise of this show alone is wrong (about her being black), I already know they are biased

[@patdaley9098]

@@justinebidulopoutchini9774 But there is no such premise in the show. Who told you there was?

[@justinebidulopoutchini9774]

@@patdaley9098 yes there are, by presenting her as black and the woman saying she doesn’t care, she was black

[@Lovley833]

Is it because she black that your mad ?

[@ishathakor]

the "she was an african queen" thing is so wild to me like. yeah a FOREIGN one??? the ptolemies were in fact so foreign to egypt that cleopatra (this one- the seventh) was the FIRST ptolemaic ruler to learn egyptian at all. the rest of them spoke greek.

[@cybertramon0012]

And Ptolemy got to rule Egypt because he was a general following Alexander the Great, and Alexander liberated Egypt from someone else. So that at least confirms that while his bloodline ruled, Egypt was never ruled by one of their own.