Destiny 2 has become a Microtransaction Hell | Asmongold Reacts

[@HLCTenstar]

I think another major problem with all this monetization is that the original D2 story along with 2 DLC's that we payed for were removed too. That's another gut punch.

[@joebk44]

Seriously? I haven’t really played d2 since the original game came out. That’s fucked up. Tbh I stopped playing destiny when I realized that initial game they launched was basically an expansion. For $60. Glad I jumped ship because I guess it’s just gone downhill. I even remember bungie blaming micro transactions on Activision. Man I miss Destiny 1.

[@betasector]

Nothing of value was lost.

[@dakineprotoss]

@@joebk44 i quit the same exact time, for the same exact reason. I played Destiny 2 from launch every night with my roommate for a month or so, but then its just running down the same chorelist every week and its not fun. Then they released an expansion for $40 and I realized they are drip feeding the game for expansions every 3 months and thats not a model I want to play. Also, its a boring game after you get to the point where its just doing yhour weekly ingram checklist blah.

[@cameronmason4452]

@@dakineprotoss Games as a service do always reach this point: Wow dailies, Apex weeklies, etc

[@aaronfox5747]

I payed for d1 three times because of their bs. Along with a PlayStation store issue. After foresaken. I took a break, and when I came back have been completely lost, and have no clue where to start.

[@PattycakesGaming]

The actual price to experience all of the Destiny 2 content as a brand new player is astronomical. They really need to bundle things in some reasonable way to catch up

[@brmawe]

Patty! And yeah for a new light they just wouldn't know where to start

[@sp00kdagul]

Patty is here too! Well said. Paying full price (when theyre not on sale) for dlcs more than a year ago is ridicolous, its so hard to convince new lights to buy a dlc if theres one really good weapon specific to that dlc, looking at you divinity and shadowkeep

[@fredxu99]

Not to mention that the older DLCs that they're still selling at FULL PRICE have 95% of their content stripped out and deleted..

[@wasdincasey]

Game can go on sale and dlc but never dungeon keys. You can only buy the keys with silver or a deluxe edition.

[@daviddeusinger5184]

I’ve had at least 4 friends try destiny 2 in the last year and all of them quit within 48 hours. I think after around the 4th time I said “Yea but you have to do this, this and this before you can do that” they just lost interest. Really sucks to be in this state

[@Dark-uj2jq]

I think the reason this video is popping off so much is because people see a lot of similarities with other live services. People are just fed up with getting an unfinished game with a battle pass at launch. Nothing is ever gonna last forever.

[@alexdolezalu9066]

Sad but true. And let's not forget PAID Early Access games that get microtransactions implemented before the rest of the game is finished. an ARPG on steam comes to mind that i forgot the name of.

[@compostsmurf5519]

​@alexdolezalu9066 have u noticed that the stores for these early access unfinished games generally work flawlessly but nothing else does 😂

[@Jabinc]

I think its because Destiny is the leader in live service games, so almost every other gaming company is looking at what destiny does and taking notes so to speak. So anyone paying attention is looking at what bungie is doing even if they don't play the game.

[@thefreeman5653]

@@Jabinc Nah, Fortnite is the leading live service game and the one that started the Battle Pass Madness, Collabs and Skin Packs

[@dylr7883]

Yeah. Sadly, Destiny 2 is one of the earliest adopters of this model, and it's really been emblematic of the disappointment of the last ten years in gaming itself. Destiny has actually managed to put out good content every other year, but it's undeniable the monetization model (and poor initial releases) truly is the black mark on Destiny 2 and this era of gaming in general.

[@bannerman001]

Line was drawn 2 years ago. 2000-3000 hours in the game. When the content got removed that I already payed for, plus nothing new in pvp. Is became a job and not at all fun anymore. Uninstalled, never went back to it. And seeing that nothing has changed, no plans to go back.

[@coltonwilkie241]

Barely anyone brings up the content vault. It's the worst case of anti-consumerism I've ever seen. It's bad when Fortnite does it with free content and it's about 1000x as bad when Destiny does it for PAID content.

[@adenlaible7066]

I stopped a week after Lightfall because the bullshit from Bungie at this rate already buried you so deep you couldn't even see the sky. I was a diehard lover to Destiny and was a childhood gem, it broke my heart in so many ways once Bungie went down this road.

[@ViktorSilver-qj5wp]

Same

[@joemamma953]

the moment this happened in season of the deep i left

[@PSNGrimReapers]

I stopped playing the moment they removed content and just couldn't go back playing when they dropped stasis supers but just couldn't get back into it just went completely downhill and I played destiny 1 for 4000+ hours and loved every second sad to see such a titan fall into a sad state of disrepair as destiny 2 has.

[@StateBlaze1989]

I miss the days where seeing a player with a unique skin made you go "wow, what super difficult challenge did they pull off to unlock that?" instead of "wow, they must have a ton of money to burn to buy that".

[@Ioganstone]

I remember making rune chainmail and being satisfied with that, knowing each little ingredient and level that went into rune plate. And when you made the chainmail, it was like no we're going back to weapons or another metal type, you don't just leap one armor to the next. Now we're out of the realm of cosmetics though..

[@gerardorodriguez3430]

This is exactly why I quit destiny I remember when I would hours or days grinding for exotics, armor and cosmetics only to see that they could just be purchased with zero effort later there is actually no point in even playing anymore

[@Daniel-wz3yv]

When getting a title meant something... game died for me the moment it went f2p.

[@lebigmac1426]

Like in souls games with the white spirits of other players

[@sclapple3192]

@@Daniel-wz3yv Yeah they fucked up super bad setting light levels to 1000 off rip and locking old content behind dlc's. The light level thing literally made me quit on the spot. I was level 600 or something i think after playing for a good while about 3 years ago and came back to the game a year later. All my characters were lvl 1000, but the actual gear I had was garbage to continue playing the game. Reset my characters to "try again" and that shit didn't last more than a week

[@5HITBOX]

As someone who was a day 1 destiny 1 and 2 player I was so sad leaving destiny for good. It’s like a friend into gambling/drugs always asking for money.

[@Jacobb..]

D1 was peak miss those days

[@5HITBOX]

@@Jacobb.. I remember wanting micro transaction cosmetics 😂 so excited for D1 taken gear. That was the beginning of the end.

[@kaiseale10]

fuck it im not. I still play destiny 1 every now and then, far more than I've ever played destiny 2, i immediately abandoned destiny 2 once the bullshit that curse of Osiris was, came out, i went back to it once forsaken came out, hoping that the game would FINALLY get completely new content, which it did for a short while but i lost interest again within the first couple years and even then later with the following dlcs, destiny 2 never made any kind of impact on me or drew my interest into the game consistently enough for the last 3-5 years now. I go back to the game solely when im bored out of my fucking mind (which is very rare for me since there are so many better single player and multiplayer out games anyway), but other than that i could care less for destiny 2. Players and content creators alike should've seen the writing on the fucking wall once the whole "free to play" aspect started with destiny 2, and now its finally making people realize how bone fucking dry destiny 2s pool of content actually is without microtransactions or purchased dlc content. Bungie has shit on the OG destiny community and the games eco system for the last several years now and i think its a good thing more people are dropping this sorry ass excuse of a continuation of destiny 1.🤷‍♂

[@mikabakker1]

I also stopped playing a couple seasons ago. I also started D1 day 1. I even convinced my friends to play it too after a few weeks, we all had a different class as our mains so it felt like we were like a standard fireteam . Fast forward a lot of years and we were all tired f what Destiny had become. The slow weekly story advancements, battlepasses, increase in price for cosmetics. the overal story (like how many times are we gonna beat some god only for it to be topped by another god) It's a shame what Destiny has become and that we decided we didn't had fun anymore we played for so long and cared about so much lore and stuff but now we don't care anymore

[@MrAvaricia]

For a bit i thought we were talking diablo 1. gods im old

[@Twilight.Princess]

Asmon reacting to Aztecross is something I NEVER knew would happen. That’s crazy.

[@superfinalsmash6821]

why? aztecross literally sponsored by asmons cock pc company starforge

[@leandromadeireira8840]

Being honest, this video was like a perfect bait for him to react.

[@Arctis326]

Rage baiting is the best way to get views

[@Tom-bi4ci]

Slap that like button like yo momma taught ya right

[@DMR_MAK]

We just need both of em on a Theo Von Podcast

[@stfu_grimmi]

These games are becoming more and more like "Go to work, do your job list of meaningless tasks to occupy your mind and time, then pay your boss for the privilege of doing said tasks"

[@CeraphineLuna]

Fr

[@chillpengeru]

True, however I will say Destiny's core gameplay is great. Too bad everything else sucks. Never got into it because of the awful story, monetization, etc etc

[@Arkoto1]

first of all its called lore, second read the first, third your completely right

[@jabdroid197]

@@Arkoto1 core is correct in this context

[@artistryspectrum512]

Task: pretend to be happy Lol

[@zideane1]

Its actually slightly worse than it seems. Due to 'sunsetting' theres a LOT of content that I have paid for that is no longer even in the game. I mean multiple expansions worth of content. So not only do they milk the playerbase, the content that was already in the game they took away to force players to buy new content. I miss the mini Argos raid :/

[@ipsom1968]

This shit is exactly what made me quit Destiny 2.

[@ekscalybur]

Oh, that thing you bought 3 years ago? You're not allowed to play it again. Why in the hell would any customer see that and not immediately rage is beyond me. We live amongst absolute idiots, and you should hate them.

[@305backup]

​@@ekscalyburOh i do. People actually act like they did us a favor by removing shit we paid for then doubling the price of everthing going forward

[@zideane1]

@ekscalybur5247 it's why i stopped playing and why I probbably won't play marathon. The whole gaming industry is a shit show

[@polski8bit]

I caught up quick with what was going to happen with the game. As soon as I got 2 absolutely shit DLCs in the deluxe edition (which I didn't even pay for, a friend got me the game to play together, and I still want "my" money back) and they announced more, I was out. It was even more ridiculous to see people saying how they "fixed" the game with Forsaken - like I'm going to spend ADDITIONAL $40 just play a game like it was supposed to be at launch. Nah man, I ain't sinking money into a game just to make it "good". Give me a good base experience and I'll consider dropping more for GOOD content. Unfortunately Bungie isn't doing the former and is inconsistent with the latter.

[@stavi82]

Crazy to realize that Activision wasn't actually the problem.

[@KT-83]

Remember how happy we where when they split? O man how wrong we where, they are even scummier!

[@itsyouuu3152]

well they where the problem and then after they left bungie drop a banger like forsaken and then they slowly became what activision was

[@elseggs6504]

​@@itsyouuu3152 Nope, you can thank Activision for that Banger too. Their studios also did the seasons and Opulence is universally loved. The first thing Bungie did on their own was Shadowkeep, so the first genuinely good expansion they made (by themselves) is Witchqueen and everything else varying degrees of mediocrity

[@itsyouuu3152]

@@elseggs6504 dang

[@syllawblood]

I mean. Bungie is doing a lot of Activision stuff now. They definitely learned from them. I hope it all works out. Because they have so much control now. They're not enslaved to whoever bought them. They are profitable

[@Yoder023]

Speaking as a former player: Most people that are still making excuses because they have already sunk so much money into this game, that they can't face what they've done

[@wilhelm2112ryan]

No matter the game I go by dollar per hour. I've played for almost 4k hours and have spent nowhere near that so I'm gucci

[@timothymoore2966]

They addicts but won’t admit

[@matthewcaimbeul8722]

@@wilhelm2112ryan Delete your characters and you’ll realize how little you actually care. 15k in the game gone.

[@wilhelm2112ryan]

@@matthewcaimbeul8722 I'm not sure I follow. If I delete a character I still have played destiny for the same amount of time. I wouldn't delete characters as I have played on them for years at this point ( minus my hunter ). I'd delete any of my diablo 4 characters and not give a shit at all

[@-The-Golden-God-]

It's called the sunk cost fallacy.

[@DerekS-lg6nt]

The problem is that over time, instead of creating items just for micro transactions, bungie has been pulling cosmetic items that are typically in the paid version of the game and then locking it behind a pay wall. They adopted all the worst traits from Activision when they left.

[@milkycannon444]

they could keep the scummy shit they do as long as we got a forsaken every year. But we only got that because of acti and the additional support from vicarious and the other dev teams. We got more quality content and the monetization was less than it isnow. Never thought id actually miss activision being involved but this is a prime example of the grass isnt always greener.

[@TheVampirePredator]

Not even remotely true.

[@xSoulhunterDKx]

Jokes on you, bungie did that before activision 😂😂😂 Activision never had the rights to decide such actions in the first place with destiny as a whole. Bungie was in control of everything basically. Stop excusing this bullshit

[@knightofnightside]

@@xSoulhunterDKx activision did have the rights to demand a return in investment though and all bungie was able to come up with is the "eververse" because "making content is hard" and another forsaken was never going to happen again

[@xSoulhunterDKx]

@@knightofnightside Activision wasn’t in control of dlcs and prices directly and what is being monetized. Bungie did that.

[@fortmcmurtry]

I am glad this video exists. As a huge destiny fan the game has been a major letdown for the amount of money they have been charging. Hope videos like this raise awareness for consumers

[@LuanS012]

​@@zogwort1522space cowboy goes pew pew

[@AngelLee162540]

@@zogwort1522Most people don’t use the armors as a set, you could make some interesting looks if you mix & match with other armors and shaders.

[@micah9988]

@@zogwort1522lol… what is a visually appealing game to you then? Anime girls with huge tits? 😭😭

[@ImPoopnRightNow]

Too bad the message is "oh well, sucks for D2 players, let's gooooo Marathon!". Like they won't do the *exact* same thing to that game. F Bungie, and I don't even play Destiny. I don't want to see this bs infect anymore games than it already has. It's a losing battle though.

[@Battlefiel97]

@@zogwort1522 Then you must have seen people with ass Transmog

[@BreakBarrier]

Dungeon Keys are where I completely drew the line, I wasn't a serious Destiny player by any means before they added them but when I learned of the dungeon keys I decided I would never return

[@michael-pg8fi]

that's strictly in place so they can get you to spend $80 (or a extra 40) on the deluxe version. This game has the scummiest business model.

[@JGburneraccount]

Dungeons have always been paid, Bungie gave us a free dungeon once as a gift and then went back to making them a paywall.

[@michael-pg8fi]

​@@JGburneraccountwell dungeons were included in the expansion you bought now they are separate lol

[@icantsleepman]

​@michael-pg8fi And that was just for witch queen. They upped the price this year despite the whole package being worse in quality.

[@sirnonsense5033]

Well u just have to add these things slowly and steady then they don’t mind some dropping out cuz most already paid for the game. Same will happen with Diablo 4 cuz it’s also an activities live of service.

[@slappytheclown4]

The thing with cosmetics being behind a paywall in destiny 2 is that the cosmetics were typically one of the big things people loved to grind for and tended to be locked behind challenging content, so the move to having the majority of them being in the eververse shop is extremely disappointing and lowers the amount of things in game to grind for. The year of triumph or whatever update in destiny 1 added some of the best armor ornaments in the game and they were earnable by beating the 4 raids.

[@trey_dizzle4161]

thats why i miss Destiny 1. Destiny 2 was a big let down for me as a HUGE destiny fan

[@trainerred1345]

Cross has just hit the big time. This will undoubtedly be his biggest video to date.

[@TryHardGary]

A half baked truth and lies video will be his biggest video. Yep slimest Destiny KZbinr. What a great video to remove context and act like certain things actually affect the average Destiny player. "Pay 2 Win" lmao what a shit ass section.

[@Arctis326]

Rage bait is the way

[@immoralboi3158]

@@Arctis326 So being honest about a game is rage baiting now?

[@mattcubed9658]

@@immoralboi3158 People will always defend garbage if they're invested enough

[@ghostlypenguin4417]

It's cool to see someone as big as Asmon reacting to Aztecross' video, especially with how dire the issue being addressed is.

[@he8535]

Buys "Club pass" but "Club house" is $20 more

[@acesonflush346]

I agree, but sadly I know this won't change shit. Too many gaming companies care about money more than creating good games.

[@hazeytom9133]

"how dire the issue is" brother its not dire its just annoying life is far to complicated and difficult for a video game monetization to be a dire situation for you

[@ChazzyPhizzle1]

Dude if you play 750-1000 hours in a year it’s $0.10-$0.13 a HOUR for entertainment. If you waste money on cosmetics that’s your problem. I haven’t spent a dime on this game outside of DLC and have soooo many cosmetics and enjoy the game just fine. This is not a dire situation. The dire situation is people deciding to spend $10 for a damn skin.

[@mattux9705]

​@@ChazzyPhizzle1 new people have 0 hours in the game and have to spend 400 fucking dollars to play the full game. And then they play the new light campaign and nope the fuck out. -400$

[@MrDekasOne]

Wow never expected to see asmon react to aztecross, a pleasant surprise for sure

[@skyj451]

Why ? Are you a fanboy ?

[@TheOneAndOnlyLUUUU]

@@skyj451 Because the Destiny content creator community is kind of insular. Not many of them are that well know outside of the destiny playerbase or generally even do anything aside from destiny content. So someone like Asmongold reacting to Destiny content is not something you see every day.

[@SudsyFistPiston]

@@skyj451I’m a fan of them both ❤

[@bdiax]

@@skyj451says the fanboy 😂

[@RazzleTheRed1]

I tried to get into Destiny 2 a year or so ago. After I beat the tutorial "campaign" (really just a few missions that don't give you any info on anything going on at all) pretty much all there was to do without paying was repetitive grinding activities. The gunplay was decent, but got boring pretty quickly without a reason to keep playing. Apparently there used to be another free campaign but it was deleted from the game. There wasn't even a story to latch onto to get me into the game, I was told I was a guardian but to this day I still don't know what I was supposed to be guarding.

[@Ocelcinion]

Hold the fuck on. Are you telling me there's no main campaign anymore?? I played for a few hours some years back, I don't even remember when, but I at least had a story mode to slog through.

[@avaliantsoul5408]

The base game's campaign, the Red War, was "vaulted" when Beyond light (Y5, I think) was released. because the size of the game was "too much to manage".@@Ocelcinion

[@fel524]

​@@Ocelcinionyeah it got content vaulted, it's not in the game anymore because "game too big guys". Reminder people payed €60 for that trash at launch

[@thecrypticstench]

@@fel524not only that, I payed for both subsequent expansions (which were trash as well lmao) that also got vaulted, then bungie turned and sold all that shit again. This franchise is dead to me.

[@treeleaves1995]

@@avaliantsoul5408 thats because they changed engines tf you mean... like bro please talk shit when you know the shit youre talking about. they are just too lazy to remake year 1-4 of destiny

[@duckys_on_quack]

Aztecrosses level of production in his videos is insane especially with the amount of content he pumps out im glad to see him get the recognition he deserves!

[@Bazzabazeman]

Even before Asmongold's attention to this, his video almost hit 1m views while his normal videos get around a 100k. He made a masterpiece.

[@oxsila]

@@Bazzabazeman Negativity sells

[@ipoml3804]

@@oxsilano he talked about some negative topics before and it didn’t hit like this video…

[@starlightrains]

@@oxsilayes but negativity towards big corporations is always fun and cool, so this time it’s very justified.

[@wilhelm2112ryan]

​@@Bazzabazemanhe made negativity....that ALWAYS gets clicks

[@KnezAlex]

The worst thing is that game has such potential, world first raids, competitive pvp, clan vs clan pvp, gambit competitive... But Bungie destroyed every single enjoyable part of the game.

[@Lonzology]

Competitive pvp????? YOU SERious LMaoooooooo.

[@johannes1432]

​@@Lonzologyit had in D1 especially in the Taken King. There was a very elite and competetive scene around trials

[@choke-]

@@Lonzology at some point in destiny history the pvp was very good, trials was sick content

[@J3wFro69]

​@@Lonzologypeople are wild, PvP was never competitive lol I'm with you on this. Going to die on this hill

[@NATSIRT_45]

@@Lonzology Trials was unironically a starting point for some major pvp streamers prior to fortnite and pubg

[@TheSplicedBread]

Aztecross is to Destiny as Asmon is to WoW. Really amazing to see them kinda cross paths.

[@WanBelltrum]

@@Fadaar Ion know about that

[@JetskiChucK]

Nobody ever mentions Clyde he is the goat

[@topical6574]

Sometimes heroes brush shoulders.

[@smithereenss5840]

​@@JetskiChucKhe ain't got no neck

[@Minecaffer]

@@JetskiChucKdoesn’t he kill kittens or something? He shit talks everyone even though he’s been riding sweat’s coattails since they met

[@ericoftheotherworld1525]

This is by far the most confusing game I have ever played because of all the expansions, staying on main quests and upgrades. I totally understood when he said "what do I buy???" because I felt the same way.

[@GhostlyShadow]

I wanted to play the game, but when i noticed the expansions were going to be expensive themselves, i never got into it, cuz i saw i couldnt afford it then, and i cant afford it now, fuck gaming, i miss the days where it was fun and you didnt have to worry about how much money you had to have to play a game

[@Nicolo-ue9xu]

​@@GhostlyShadowyou can take the older DLC for 12 euro and the eclipse DLC for like 20 euro at least one week ago

[@fr12221]

One thing i would like to point out: some people have seen this happening ahead of time. Those people were raising the point Cross has put here, also ahead of time. Some have even been blacklisted by Bungie themselves for going public with their predictions, and a lot of players were mocking them, and pronouncing them haters. Ever since Cross has posted this video, BDF (Bungie Defense Force, a.k.a. most loyal players who tend to excuse every single Bungie decision, no matter how shitty, scummy and toxic it can be) has been weirdly silent.

[@WozLee]

Most of the Destiny 2 content creators are gladhanding cowards, all pretending to be friends in order to climb the greasy pole. They would glady shank Aztecross in the back if they thought it meant they could take his place in the community and get further in with Bungie, problem is we all love Cross, so they stay quiet as they rightfully should. If Cross was less popular, they'd have been doing what they did to SayNoToRage, which... people talk about cancelling and stuff, what they did to him was obscene.

[@zachrohler1047]

​@@WozLeedatto giving bungie sloppy every time they add some new shit to buy

[@rusty4265]

@@WozLee Yea Lono got the short end of the stick. He gave off kinda sorta creepy vibes with a few girls in the community, one who happens to be married to a Bungie VP, and they banned him from the community and game. I was thinking he had at least harassed or abused someone, but no! Such a pathetic circle of people.

[@SpikeRazzor]

​@@zachrohler1047Why I said some of these guys are getting flown out in secret, like IG models and shown shit WAY ahead of time (like the dude who was dropping spoilers and got too comfortable recently).

[@FadedMaple07]

@@zachrohler1047 I don't really like the guy but that statement is just false. Datto literally have been complaining about how scummy destiny's microtransactions since 7 years ago.

[@SilverScar11396]

I’ve been in the destiny franchise since Destiny 1 Beta, and it’s so sad how horribly worse the monetization has gotten.

[@ThaRajaTrilogy]

I’m surprise he didn’t mention the xp throttle incident they pulled destiny made a lot of greedy grimmey moves over the years I loved the game so much I would take the abuse but finally I said enough and had to retire my guardians

[@fluidintelligence1]

I was too, then I stopped playing when they forced you to buy new DLC packs to actually play anything…

[@nimmer4749]

It's funny to think back to all of the hope everyone had when Bungie split from Activision. Only to realize Bungie was the real villain all along.

[@Kamasillvia]

​@@nimmer4749 destiny could be so much more, probably the opus magnum of bungie, corrupted by activision and lobotomised by bungie itself. I'm still gonna play marathon, since nobody does scifi games like bungie, not even close, tried to find several times, but the excitement that early destiny days gave me is all but dead

[@IPromiseTomorrow]

how do you survive in there?

[@ichigo9171]

I always find it funny when ppl call the slippery slope a falacy. See corporations call it a business strategy.

[@aznhomig]

People who claim that slippery slopes aren't real are trying to gaslight you as they push you down the proverbial slippery slope.

[@AltonB.6776]

​@@aznhomigPrecisely. I heard once that the slippery slope argument is only a fallacy if you have no evidence of prior behavior. If u do, then its an obvious pattern.

[@smitty215able]

The "slippery slope fallacy" doesn't mean slippery slopes don't exist. It's a fallacy when you claim a slippery slope exists without sufficient reason to believe it. Slippery slopes absolutely exist, nazi Germany was an example of a slippery slope

[@markymark2820]

I was a D1 veteran all the way to the end (Rise of Iron), and played D2 from launch but by the end of Shadowkeep bungies monetization of this game had almost single handedly killed every last ounce of interest I had in the game. I came back off and on during beyond light but every single time I did it would last 1 maybe 2 weeks at most. It's almost depressing knowing just how much potential this game had only for it to be completely squandered away out of greed. And I don't say this lightly at all but this game very easily had more than enough potential to be one of the greatest games of all time.

[@PlayfulFruitLPer]

A wise person once said: I used to go to the store to find a game. Now I go to a game to find a store.

[@0Rosanna]

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[@j0hnnyblade]

I remember how back in D1 people were saying 'silver is only in the game because of greedy Activision'

[@ThatCinnabon]

It's crazy too because I feel like it's made this way to prey on people who don't just buy the Expansion + Annual Pass. If you get that bundle, you basically don't have to worry about buying anything until next year/the next expansion. But the minute you decide not to get that bundle, you have to start doing mental gymnastics and going on an Amazonian expedition to fill in the gaps of what you don't have. It's terrible.

[@SkellyHertz]

You do need to worry, or at least be annoyed by, the event pass being waved in front of you every season.

[@theexternal2352]

This is well said

[@diinvolg4838]

@@SkellyHertz just dont play the events, theyre garbage anyway

[@jimmyjab8090]

Yes and no, the dungeons are extra content we never used to get we get 2 a year more work = we need to get paid! what if they just increased the cost of the seasons but only those including a dungeon? People would lose their minds! Just as they have now with the relatively small price increase. I agree it’s confusing and badly done and The fragmentation of legacy content is bad but also bungie knows that they specifically said the next on boarding point would be after light and dark ends. What’s the solution we don’t want to pay for it? Then they will stop making it saying that the 30th anniversary would of been free in d1 is BS because there were massive content droughts in d1 they simply wouldn’t of made it!

[@turkizno]

Not only that but for the balkans the game is still full price, meaning those countries are paying 4x the amount for the same content as everybody else. Imagine you want to play a game but you have to buy 3 of your friends the same game, thats the price.

[@jeremystone4139]

Anyone who has quit playing Destiny, knows about these problems... Hopefully videos like this, prevent new players from falling into the same trap.

[@-The-Golden-God-]

Feels good being free 🙌

[@ISesseriI]

I can't believe the game got worse. I stopped playing in Forsaken for good and I couldn't believe DUNGEON KEYS are a fucking thing

[@midnightblue3285]

@@ISesseriI What happends if you stop playing the dungeons

[@jdlei24]

​@@-The-Golden-God-brother we're all free, they showed they're true colors last season and now it's way worse lol

[@SlyI42]

8:49 what an amazing use for the emotes lol. 47:26 exactly, sometimes I open a game and it looks like I'm seeing a store's website. It's terrible, I miss the old days where I would just play and get excited to be unlocking things from my hard work. Not by unlocking things with the money I earn from a actual work.

[@baronsengir187]

Then buy games that do that. Plenty of them.

[@perc3136]

Warframe is exactly that... EVERYTHING is free even the the cosmetic skins u can buy u can just earn it

[@AG-bp3ll]

I quit this game four years ago when I felt the microtransactions were getting out of control. Little did I know how good I had it back then.

[@jurneelucero1287]

as a d2 player im so ready for this video

[@beanenator]

My mind still goes to Diablo 2 when people say this 😂😂😂😂

[@AceofBlood94]

Haven't played since new light

[@tnerty6087]

Same

[@E.Orlando]

D2 will always be Diablo 2.

[@douglasnevins1598]

Same, I adore d2 so much, but fuck thos video needed to be made, and with how Asmon talks about microtransactions n stuff I was interested to hear his take

[@hajkie]

The worst part of destiny 2 was that they removed the campaign you actually bought.

[@starlightrains]

And the raid you actually bought. And another raid you actually bought. And another raid you actually bought. And another raid you actually bought. And another raid you actually bought. Literally. 5 raids have been removed (leviathan, eater of worlds, spire of stars, scourge of the past, and crown of sorrow.)

[@MusMasi]

they removed content that people paid for and the frogs stayed in the pot, well most of them.

[@WozLee]

@@MusMasi Because most of the "frogs" had already done that content to death. Removing an old raid like Scourge of the Past sucks, it makes the game less of a value proposition for new players, and creates massive contextual holes that get plugged in the laziest ways imaginable. Back in the day if you wanted the Whisper of the Worm sniper rifle you went on this awesome mission to find a hidden portal that only spawns in certain circumstances, then you have a timed jumping puzzle to complete that finished in a massive boss fight, which not only gave you the gun, but also unlocked the master mode of that mission which you could farm for the catalyst and achievements to get the best looking ship in the game. Now, because they removed the planet that mission was on, and the mission itself, if you want to get the Whisper of the Worm sniper rifle? You go out and do the most monotonous content you could image, save up resources which as a new player you need for literally everything, and in huge quantities... and you buy it from a vendor. Almost every exotic weapon in that kiosk used to have some kind of mission or event tied to it, and they were all removed, so that the content they were attached to could be dismantled, repackaged and sold back to us, saving costs and dev time whilst Bungie apparently plough all their resources into Marathon. All of these things suck, but they really don't affect veteran players that much. For us it's the principal more than anything. This is why I find it so hard to recommend Destiny to people, because whilst I would happily recommend the experience I had, that experience is unavailable to anyone playing the game today, and the experience that's on offer? The entire New Light experience? You'd have to be a masochist to put yourself through that.

[@derrickkinney5399]

​@@WozLeeThe problem with this video is he doesn't go out and say anything positive about anything so he just looks like a ranter. He also doesn't go into any detail with most of the problems with the game, probably because he himself has no clue. Basically to me who also still plays every once in a while I know what's been sunset, what not to do etc, but he for some reason has no idea of anything

[@Cab8819]

100%what stopped me from buying it. I heard I couldn't actually play what I missed out on, and realized I only wanted in on what I heard about, not what was new

[@holydiver327]

I remember listening to my friend talk for 2 hours about why grinding 80 hours a week on Destiny 2 is worth it

[@baronsengir187]

Holy shit. Full on addictive behavior. Hope they do ok.

[@dunkawunka2278]

Bro 80 hours a week is 14 hours a day wtf 💀

[@nolimitjason5546]

​@dunkawunka2278 do you realize who we are watching. Among has negative vitamin D

[@derrickkinney5399]

So basically a fortnite player

[@Xorn4359]

Destiny 2 is the only game I've ever played that had such an Astronomical price tag that i felt like a bad person for trying to get others to play with me

[@cosmicthought3419]

You shouldn't. Like if anybody just buys out cosmetics, expansions and what so not just to get into it, that's the equivalent of throwing your money in the garbage bin. Like at that point, just donate it to a homeless person with a drug addiction. On the other hand if you spend roughly a couple of weeks or a month or so to see if you want to play the game, then you can decide to invest for your own consumption. It's business and only a product. By the time you're in your 60s, that money is digitally wasted, t'was good trip though.

[@derrickkinney5399]

Bet your going to have people pay $100 for gta6 lol

[@Veritas_Vincit]

Watching the state of the VG industry slowly deteriorate is like watching the love of your life slowly rotting into a zombie. You keep hoping they'll recover and ever so often you see something that resembles what they once were and then it fails again.

[@gothmogthrac4457]

Plug in the old ps2 and play some Socom

[@senounatsuru6453]

This is why I'm mostly done with western devs. They might occasionally put out something good, and I hope for that, but if they're not indies, I stick to japanese devs. They still care about quality products, not endless monetization.

[@masonnasty8596]

As long as the zombie is Ed and I can go out in my shed and sort of play playstation with him

[@tylerpearson9754]

This was eloquently put

[@DSkulle1]

its wild to me that ea of all companies released a no nonsense no microtransaction single player game in 2023

[@teamofone1219]

One scummy thing about Destiny 2 I found that no one talks about is how the Devs can essentially delete expansions or dlc to make room for newer expansions because that’s why the og campaign is not there because they felt the game is too big.

[@nobelissimos8719]

Had no interest in Destiny 1 or 2 and heard they had issues and whatever, but 2 seemed to get better and I saw it on for a pretty good sale with expansions so I bought them against my better judgement. Not long after they gave the game and expansions out for free because they were planning on deleting them for the new expansions. I managed to go through the main story but I didn't get to touch any of the expansions I paid for before they were deleted and I never bothered playing the game again. Im glad I quit before I really got into the game. Still mad I got robbed of 60 dollars.

[@BarredRock]

Yup additionally I go by the Opinion of Red War being the single BEST Destiny Campaign and it got removed

[@oxsila]

Basically they removed a bunch of planets and content so they can use it in future for seasonal content lol. They just reskin it and hope noone notices. It's crazy

[@Thesavagesouls]

Dude i had no idea they removed old campaigns. I'm never going back to that game.

[@DrMattHH]

​@@ThesavagesoulsI started playing at the first expansion (of 5 so far), and they had ALREADY deleted huge portions of the campaign because of the stupid way they forced the single player campaign to be part of the multiplayer world, which is constantly changing. I skipped an expansion & tried to get back in, & it was a nightmare trying to figure out what you were supposed to be going. Literally impossible to follow any part of the story because they're constantly deleting things.

[@matthewfennell8283]

Its hilarious looking back at this video now that the destiny community has once again forgiven bungie for changing absolutely nothing about this once again.

[@Nexuish]

Destiny 2’s monetization is less about micro transactions and more about dividing up content into seperate purchases to get more money out of a dedicated player vs buying them all together at one, slightly lower price but with 0 idea about the quality of the content.

[@TheAluvisify]

Yep, that's my biggest issue.

[@headkicked]

I don't like the "it's only cosmetics" argument for micro transactions. Especially when the best customization options keep getting set aside and sold via in-game stores. Game fashion is a huge market. Devs and publishers know this. That's why they keep defending the "but at least its not pay to win! Amirite!" arguments. Slowly, the best customization options keep getting pay walled.

[@Castitalus]

Don't forget, they took what should have been raid cosmetics and put them in the cash shop in Shadowkeep.

[@sickandafraid]

gone are the days you can show off a cosmetic you achieved by playing the game

[@iillestrs2153]

Aztec is worth watching even if you don’t play destiny, love the guy

[@oNextq]

Yea quit playing destiny but still watch some of his stuff

[@Zelisius]

It's the energy he has. Shits contagious

[@woonsish]

Destiny doesn't deserve Cross tbh that man is a goat lmao

[@Herringboner]

If he branches out that guy can be as big as Tim the tat man, Doc, Nickmercs Ect.

[@gambeano]

​@@Herringboneri think asmon reacting positively to him and subbing on stream will be that bridge. Hopefully anyways. Love aztecross

[@MaMastoast]

And this the problem with modern AAA game monetization. They say the insane prices are to support the game, but there is absolutely no way to determine how much content you are getting for that money at the moment of paying. "This skin has to be 20 euro, we want to support the game in the future" is a sales tactics, not actual reality

[@Yodah97]

It drives me nuts how expensive stuff is in some games. I booted up SWOTOR and a single weapon skin costs $20. Why would I spend that on a single skin? If I could spend that and buy 10+ shiny new toys I'd be much more willing to open my wallet. It's all just digital goods, why wouldn't you emphasize volume? I mean a whole expension in GW2 costs $30. Hell, 1 month of premium in SWTOR is $15. But $20 for a single skin that came out years ago? Yikes. Say what you want about crappy mobile games. But I've caved and paid for more than one cheap game because they offered piles of useful stuff for just $1 or $2 as a first purchase deal. Warframe gets me too with their 50% and 90% plat discounts on PC. I can spend $15 there and go absolutely ham on their online store, it's great.

[@erikwurgler]

I remember playing the Destiny 1 closed beta... I was hooked immediately! (Void Warlock since Day 0) I stopped playing last season as I saw the writing on the wall. Sad to see what's become of Destiny, a franchise with so much potential.

[@3zoozQ80]

Same even made a tribute vid for d1 . Stopped playing d2 sadly .

[@Gamma_Labs]

Same man. When I took a break during d2 I had to drop like $200 on dlc

[@castlesbard1547]

Right there with you.

[@FrogOf4Chan]

Fellow day 0 player and a voidlock as well, I'm finishing the final shape and I'm done with bungie after that. I've watched the lore over the years and loved the mystery at first, but after I applied skepticism I realized mystery wad a thinly veiled disguise for laziness and a lack of a coherent story with more plotholes than Swiss cheese. I played WoW for over a decade before I quit and destiny feels the exact same to me, its predatory and disgusting to see.

[@adamcrowl8845]

I remember playing the pve alpha and getting excited over playing in the beginning earth area and having 20 minutes of stuff to do lol

[@omniadoc]

The seasonal items (season 21) total will cost around 44k silver. The communal archived items will cost around 260k silver. The combined exotic cosmetics of each class (Hunter, Titan and Warlock) in the archived section is around 22k silver each, so 66k silver for all 3 classes. So if someone wanted to buy everything currently on the Eververse store with silver, it is roughly over 360,000 silver.

[@FelisImpurrator]

And how much is that in actual money?

[@omniadoc]

@@FelisImpurrator So if its around $10usd for 1,000 silver. so thats like $3,600 USD give or take.

[@FelisImpurrator]

@@omniadoc Man. That's nasty.

[@AETHEREALMINDS]

None of the stuff you can buy in the store has any effect on gameplay. I know Cross makes the argument that loot is the endgame so it’s “pay to win,” since loot is “winning” but the cosmetics you get from the store are aesthetic only. It’s ludicrous to say that d2 is pay to win. Unless you mean paying for the game itself, which is… most games? The real shit that you need, that you want, comes from playing the game. I don’t know why people are acting like micro transactions are brand new… every live service game has it, and a lot are much worse than this. Inclusion of season pass was just an optics shift. Before season passes, before the game was “free to play,” you’d simply buy the season, buy the content. You’d still get all the same shit, it was just dispersed through vendors and challenges and stuff. When the game went “free to play,” they introduced the season pass ladder. Same content, same price. But now instead of buying the season you’re buying the season pass. No difference in content. But the “season pass” has a much more negative imprint. They should’ve never gone free to play, because it isn’t really, and just confused things even more. The seasonal armor you get in Season of the Deep (by playing the game) is some of the best armor they’ve ever released in the game. I’m not even rank 100 yet (used to get there in a week or two) after a month and a half of the Season. But I’ll still get the coolest armor by playing a few hours a week. Barely a grind.

[@omniadoc]

@@AETHEREALMINDS I know its all cosmetic and it has no impact on game play and you dont need to spend a single dime in it. I haven't. But the point is that Bungie is putting a most of their effort or time on the store instead of elsewhere. And lastly, I just rough calculated the store total just for information. No one is going to buy everything from the store.

[@xXwadlieXx]

Love seeing an Aztecross video covered this widespread

[@shadeymcbones6707]

In terms of getting cosmetics from the actual game. This is how it works. 95% of all customization items come from the eververse store, but lots of Raid and Dungeon armor still looks fucking sick. HOWEVER, the transmog system sucks. If you want to be able to use an armor piece you have as an ornament, you have to spend 1 Armor strap token. You get these from doing a bounty. So it cost 5 tokens/bounties to transform 1 armor set in a cosmetic one you can equip over your gear. But here is the kicker, you can only do 10 bounties per season, and after that you'd have to pay for synthweave straps in the eververse store. Also, exotic weapon skins do not drop in the game, eververse or pre-order dlc is the only way you can get new skins for exotc weapons and armor

[@Fr3sh_117]

Aztecross has been my destiny guy forever. His contact is always great. Still watching him and haven’t played destiny in 4 years

[@TheSplicedBread]

I'm with you there. Pattycake comes number 2 for me

[@Kenji-117]

I stopped playing at the end of S19 (which was really great and reason why I wanted to finish it) and i also still watch him and some other creators just because they are great creators. Destinys content creators im general are really great. Aztecross, Wallah, Datto, Fallout, etc. These guys saved the game many times for me actually.

[@Aardcore]

how crazy is it that Bungie left Activision/Blizzard only to adopt a similar, if not downright identical business model, and take it to the nth level... I honestly never thought Bungie would ever resort to these sort of methods. This was probably the most heartbreaking react to sit through only because, much like Blizzard, Bungie was one of those companies I literally grew up with as far back as the original Marathon. We're talkin' some ground zero action here! Unbelievable...

[@Unchainedful]

Money corrupts, Bungie seen all that money Activision was making off of them and Bungie said they wanted ALL of the money. And now that they have Sony over them and allows them to not only continue their business practices, but also highly encourages them to do so. Times are changing, it’s simply the way how things are now.

[@liceterminator]

The tilting point for me was the introduction of paying for transeweave materials for your transmog you earn in game. Each class is capped at 10 to earn per season, after you use your 10 (split between helm, gauntlets, chest, legs, and class item) you have to purchase the material to unlock your in-game earned armor to transmog. Blows my mind.

[@howdoyouevenknow6526]

Yea this is fucked another reason why I stopped playing literally the only game to charge the player money for fucking transmog is unreal

[@TheOneSivalus]

sunsetting planets was it for me, taking away content we payed for

[@Weeb32460]

@@TheOneSivalusbUt nObOdy pLaYS iT!!

[@sulijoo]

Modern day Bungie:"Halo? Never heard of it. Who are you?"

[@turbocivic2012]

Asmongold having microtransaction overload at 40:55 is HILARIOUS 😂

[@smithereenss5840]

This is when I realized Asmon rocked a ponytail 😅

[@merrilly-]

As a destiny slave, I'm so happy to see asmon reacting to cross, it's a gift from the heavens

[@115DELDE]

just stop playing Destiny man, its not worth it.

[@largestbigman5267]

@@115DELDEI have to see the end man

[@sneaklone_]

@@115DELDEno other game has raids/dungeons in an FPS format sadly. If another game does those specifically I’ll consider quitting.

[@298cole]

It all goes back to the gdc interview for me. It was the tipping point and really clued me in too their motives and where the mindset is at bng. That was there story sure…but that’s also them telling you they are setting the new norm. And thats them telling all other devs get less is more and it’s working for us 10 fold.

[@victormonte5881]

Till yhey stsrted getting bad review and less sales

[@deathproof8732]

I remember trying to play free thinking I could do the basic release campaign. Found out they removed it to save space for the paid stuff. I bought Witch Queen for 10 bucks, started it up and had no clue who anyone was, or what any of the terms and locations were. So I just uninstalled it.

[@saints5470]

I really hope that since this is reaching beyond the Destiny community, that a conversation can really start about this. Lets hope.

[@petervalvo1186]

Bungie isn't interested in having a conversation, doesn't matter how much people complain. We can only make a statement by not spending $, but people are terrible about not spending $ on games so it's never going to happen lol

[@gerardddd]

​@@petervalvo1186Bungie is too busy being woke

[@J3wFro69]

​@@gerarddddno they're too busy making money don't be stupid lol

[@torao8821]

@@petervalvo1186 the people complaining aren't the people that're buying up bungie's stuff, so bungie doesn't care lol. Only thing that'll get them to stop if the whales stop buying

[@mattcubed9658]

@@gerardddd Can you morons stop using buzzwords incorrectly lmao

[@Jagtress]

As a Destiny player, it's wild that you are actually reacting to Aztecross' video. What a timeline we live in right now... Anyways, that said, I've been playing for years and frankly, I'm super sick of what Destiny 2 has become.

[@RlVlN]

@@xLamont_ Playing the game at the base level from the beginning by just buying the expansion pass is not being a part of the problem. The problem is being a new player and trying to get into the game is very very costly because if you're an avid Destiny player than every expansion is like a yearly subscription that has gotten pricier but that's the only thing you have to buy for the year. Someone becomes part of the problem if they buy the whole season pass to lvl 100 instead of just playing like normal or if you often buy the stupid bundles from the store and not just use bright dust when you can. Oh yeah and those worthless event passes

[@christopherhenderson2995]

same here. been here since D1 beta and its just feels like a mobile game now

[@bumponalog5001]

As an avid Destiny fan, thank you for spreading this message to a bigger audience. Cross deserves all the praise, and maybe this nonsense getting exposed out into a more general gaming audience will force Bungie to respond...maybe.

[@hyez3671]

P and

[@Fefnefef]

who cares anymore. if people had an ounce of integrity they would abandon bungie regardless of any "acknowledgement" at this point. can get stabbed in the back only so many times before having to admit that they are purely acquisitive

[@hhaste]

@@Fefnefef That's the incorrect mentality to have. Why just abandon something, if you still enjoy it? Just abandoning it won't solve anything, it'll just make the entire game we all enjoy disappear. We just need to not purchase anything, until they fix it. The problem is, these addicts won't stop buying stuff.

[@Ioganstone]

@@Fefnefef -fill their coffers so I can get Marathon- They are fixing everything as we speak. Just be happy you can still login for free. The excitement and satisfaction just from logging in is great on its own.

[@DeadHawk23]

I remember I bought a package for Elder Scrols Online where it was explained to me that it came with all the DLC but when I got in game it came with the expansions but not the DLC which are different. I got a refund after asking if there was a way for me to buy it all in 1 purchase and the support told me no. They literally lost me as a customer because buying all that content would force me to buy 2 bundles that share half of their content or buy each DLC by itself which is stupid af.

[@kaira9094]

This is why I've been playing alot of my older single player games lately, I'm sick and tired of MTX being in all games including latest single player ones, The last week I have put 70 hours into Yakuza 0 and im only on Chapter 7 out of 14, there is so much content in the game at no extra cost to me that I am happy to keep doing this.

[@vandalm9311]

Good decision, we all should stop supporting these bullshit greedy live service games that's ruining the AAA game industry and just play good single player games. On the other note, If you're a fan of the series, you should continue with kiwami 1 and kiwami 2. They're not as good as 0 but still a fun yakuza games nonetheless. I've also heard good things about 3-6, but haven't had the chance to play them. I'm currently playing yakuza 7 tho, the new turn based combat is very refreshing and it's on the way of becoming my favourite yakuza game like zero haha

[@o0kingmoney0o]

I’ve been playing this series too I’m on Kiwami 2 it’s extremely fun

[@Sentinel82]

​@@yyyhhh8481You're barking up the wrong tree here

[@kingofrannoch]

70 hours in one week?

[@kaira9094]

@@kingofrannoch A week or so, anyway...

[@Dr.JugJug]

I think one of the major heartbreaks is the fact that Destiny 2 has some really meaningful and fun content players want to share with friends who haven't had to opportunity to experience the game. And the cost of entry is so high it is ludicrous to expect any new player to buy all the content at once, even during a sale. There are also major issues with the content loop itself that Cross doesn't cover in this video. It's a shame the game is horribly flawed, disgustingly greedy and sad to admit it has consumed so much of my time and money.

[@iinsomniaaaaa]

As a new player, the hardest part of the game has been getting friends of mine to play. I bought one of them (who played D1 religiously) the LF deluxe edition and he plays with me from time to time (we ran RoN for the first time a few days ago), but a friend who tried it without buying anything washed out after a couple weeks. It's such an awesome game and the raids and dungeons are phenomenal plus it has the unmatched bungie gunplay, but I don't understand how bungie doesn't see that they are missing out on potential players by gating so much of their content behind paywalls.

[@Ryzard]

Fr like I was a new player looking to join a friend but the price... I can just get an entire console instead

[@chrisrios8474]

Steam keys

[@chrisrios8474]

Everything comes out to $50

[@Ryzard]

@@chrisrios8474 no tf it doesn't?????????????????????? Bro what? Some standalone parts of this are more than 50 bucks..

[@HunterAero]

I am mainly a PVP player and I agree with this part The fact that we've had no new maps in years is ridiculous. They keep giving us back old maps. They keep returning game modes that they took out of the game. Give us some new maps. That's all I really want.

[@bellcross9985]

dude , they have never put our a new enemy race.. NEVER!!! only re-skins.

[@WeebDragon42069]

There's new items in the shop tho ^_^ 💀 😔

[@blinkq_530]

what was scorn? @@bellcross9985

[@JG-dh2km]

Don't forget to mention that they keep nerfing high skill ceiling weapons just to cater to the cry baby casuals in PVP.

[@ChuckFinelyForever]

That’s one thing I love about Warframe, you can do literally everything without paying a dime and if you want the currency, you can trade items to other players for it.

[@serenityx7569]

Im really glad this reached Asmon dude. I’m a vet player & this is an issue that so many people have been trying to voice for awhile now. I was officially fed up once they introduced dungeon keys. And it’s so incredibly hard to get any of my friends to PLAY destiny to begin with because of how much money they have to drop just to be able to play all the fun stuff with me.

[@gerardddd]

Dungeon keys are ridiculous

[@serenityx7569]

@@effjesse_ Poor people is crazy 💀 just because I make money doesn’t mean I have to get my wallet milked. Not wanting to just hand a company my money blindly does not equate to being broke lmao. But I understand tho, for the longest I didn’t really care or complain about anything either & just kinda vibed and played the game.

[@bankruptjojo5009]

Played a little D2 but was big on D1. Destiny 1 got me back into gaming. Very sad to see what its become. Think about going back from time to time but not anymore 😢

[@creepsus24]

this thing started on year 3 but wasn't this bad. Y2 of D2 was the best one in entire destiny era

[@ravagerxiii5488]

Same.

[@Mewosamasu]

10 year of my life I have dedicated to this game. I miss when expansions actually had weight to them, and not just massive filler content with drip fed story. You guys remember Halo? How god damn complete each installment was? Now look at the nearly empty shell of bungie. There is no integrity, only greed. Man I love spending money on cosmetics when the core of the game is pretty much dogshit now. I'm so fucking sad the company I love is tarnished

[@MattyHAM]

It really took you 10 years to realize that when Destiny 1 released in the absolutely abysmal state it did?

[@Mewosamasu]

@@MattyHAM How did you come to the conclusion that it took me 10 years to realize this?

[@KuroSlick]

Same, been here since the beta and alpha and I'm just so drained lol

[@petersmith4102]

The day it went free to play is the day I stopped playing as they locked behind a second paywall that I had already paid for, active missions and raids that 24 hours before I could play I suddenly needed to pay for again, I was 'F this SH*T I'm out."

[@KraziestKrazy]

Around the 44:06 mark, Asmon wasn’t aware they sunset alot of older gear so alot of rolls (that were at the time good) became null and void there’s guns that are locked out that don’t even work anymore so technically even the old player base “needs to play catch up”

[@Thatfpsguy]

It was tough but after 6k hours I left destiny this year and won't be returning. The direction of bungie has been wrong for a while now and it's becoming more obvious by the day, it's a shame because it really did so well for so long and at one point even looked like they were going in a better direction... The fall from grace

[@Hvmbi]

I just want a PvE gamemode that can be played with any number of guardians ranging from 1-12 where the sole objective is to survive for as long as possible with crazy modifiers for enemies and you as the game progresses.

[@ironbadger8985]

Thats what warframe is.

[@denisskulakov3830]

Escalation protocol

[@Draconic74]

Killing Floor 1 I guess?

[@Skelly183]

@@denisskulakov3830 it only 4 objectives and 7 waves aka 7 pillars to protect(i forgot)

[@Nielsper]

Risk of Rain 2

[@reagansido5823]

"You're not gonna convince me that 3 skins should cost 60$" (Side-eyes OW2) Hard agree with that.

[@kempolar9768]

**Valorant** peering around the corner.

[@AuthorsAgony]

Its sad and disgusting at the same time that Bungie became what they tried so hard to get away from (ie Microsoft and Activison). I admired these people for all the work they put into their Halo games...How the mighty fall.

[@themythicx8735]

Activision poisoned them

[@alexsynthesis]

I remember celebrating when they left activision. I think I prefer them being part of activision 😭

[@EL-tf5ek]

I was a hardcore Destiny player and the focus on micro transaction content over actual gameplay content killed destiny. The Dev’s got distracted and ruined the game.

[@BREAKocean]

I don't think it was the devs. Usually management

[@baronsengir187]

And how long have you tollerated those microtransactions and kept the game getting worse by that?

[@wrythe777]

you cant possibly blamke someone who paid for expansions ina live service game for the company getting greedier @@baronsengir187

[@BREAKocean]

@@MrHocotateFreight they would get fired if they don't comply. I sure they have mouths to feed

[@danilopolar6476]

DISTRACTED ?? NAH they were FOCUSED in fucking us ( i still play that shitty games before years andi don't even have money to buy the new content but i still playing)

[@MrWorldLovePeace]

The way Asmon explained everything at 12:44 into the video, is like doing the quest One Small Favor from Rs3/OSRS. Amazing.

[@DamianSzajnowski]

11:30 He starts explaining comparing to gacha games

[@StrangerForever85]

Gah! Why would you bring that up?! I just finished blocking that from memory again!

[@iamponchovilla]

You're giving me PTSD about that quest

[@dkay9013]

That rant Gave me mad Fate vibes

[@BradleyNewton-ku4db]

Omg fuck that quest bro

[@laslon78]

this shit started ages ago with hot dogs and buns, a pack of sausages had 10 in them, but the buns always came in a 8 pack, early fomo

[@mikepartridge6396]

am i the only one that thinks paid for cosmetics ruined games? the thing i most enjoyed about games like destiny was getting the rare and hard to get shaders and cosmetics. theres no point now with 99% of games on the market, you can't show off your achievements, you're just showing off your pocketbook.

[@fredxu99]

I bemoaned this years ago and was met with the response "but the devs have to fund the game". Now look at where we're at, spend $30 for a dev-designed outfit to stand out from the crowd and people complain that there's nothing to grind for anymore cosmetically... yayyyy.

[@linguotgr]

You aren’t alone. “It’s just cosmetic” was always a bad argument, because cosmetics are an important part of games. I would argue just as important as gameplay. I mean people would be pissed if something like playing a female character or a black character was locked behind a paywall, but strictly speaking that’s just cosmetic. Digital self-expression is important (note: I’m not saying playing as a pre-designed character is bad, or less than a customized character). Cosmetics, are important. If they weren’t, people wouldn’t spend so much on them.

[@frank-b6169]

Nothing but facts

[@ImKaboose]

Man, I miss Destiny. The gameplay was so good, but every experience became tainted by dogshit business practices, I couldn't bear playing anymore. I was one of those foolish players cheering when Bungie broke up with Activision, only to find out Activision was holding Bungies greed back rather than the other way around.

[@michaelmichaelagnew8503]

Ouch I switched to PC two years ago and 1 month in got perma banned for having a program running in the background they didn't like (After spending like $150 to rebuy everything for pc). That program had nothing to do with the game nor could it affect the game. Even sent the program to them. They are a garbage company then and I wont ever buy a game from them ever again. Also was thinking their garbage ways back then was because of Activision. Guess they are even worse than Activision, didn't even know that could be possible. It's sucks to think that bungie used to be a really good gaming company.

[@mistergooseman7047]

@@michaelmichaelagnew8503 Maybe they LEARNED from activision.

[@stevenevans6798]

This whole thing is harder to digest when you realize this is the state of gaming and it’s only circling the drain.

[@alpha-uk4mh]

Fr I hope one day people will stop being stupid and stop giving triple A studio's the benefits of the doubt that everything will be better one day when . All their doing is proving the current gaming industries way of making money works and it works too well. I hope one day gamers will protest and boycott these predatory monetization practices.

[@Madchris8828]

As long as we have fools that are easily parted with their money, this will keep going.

[@mityakiselev]

It's actually very easy to phrase: microtransactions are totally fine, like in PoE where you can buy a supporter pack, so basically a huge donation to the devs, but what most "game companies" do is completely unacceptable and borderline criminal. They create problems and sell you solutions for real money, basically bullying you into buying stuff that makes sense to be there in the first place. They abuse some players' gambling addiction and other horrible disorders for profit. They don't care about the enjoyment of the product. They create the shiniest possible candy wrapper, sell it for a huge load of money, but there's just feces inside.

[@driedskull1927]

You know its bad when people actually want Activision back in the drivers seat. Holy shit.

[@MPaz-ART]

this video blowed my mind like i never expected about a video game, hollyshit, the amount of details on this video prooves the buy have being dedicated all this time to this game but great experience made him realise all the dirty tricks of the compagny.

[@niccoSun]

I'm glad people are starting to realize this. You have to literally spend 80-100$ every single expansion if you want to play all the content. Expansion: 40$ Dungeon key: 20$ Each season battlepass: 10$ x 4 (There are 4 per expansion I believe. Which you need buy if you want to play the seasonal activity) I'm honestly surprised you don't have to pay for a raid key considering they lock everything else behind a paywall. You're nearly buying two games with each expansion.

[@Fenixfiress]

wouldn't be surprised to see them come up with a raid key tbh

[@Silverswitch1]

In the future you will have to pay for raid keys.

[@HierophanticRose]

What is crazier than this are the players who ignore or defend the state of the game. Especially after the gutting recently copium is high. But Bungie had it coming when you think about how they have handled Destiny 2.

[@ayjbray]

D2 player n can’t tell you how excited I was to see Asmon reacting to Cross’s vid 😂😂😂 Asmon is the voice the D2 community needs!!!

[@AlexTorrez478]

Same here I got excited when I saw this pop up on my home page

[@Junker-sq6pu]

Wishful thinking

[@petervalvo1186]

Nobody can make Bungie change, not even asmon. Only not spending $ can

[@awesomeguy9513]

Always to see people call out this nonsense. There’s no game that will kill destiny that’s bungies job and it’s a job being down very well

[@tuck_tuck9785]

This

[@alexdolezalu9066]

9:46 That was exactly my thought process when i was thinking if i should pick up the game today. Looked at the ammount of DLC and instantly noped the fuck out of there. At the very least WoW gives you the old expacs automatically.

[@killer6088]

WOW has a monthly subscription, right? Which adds up to way more money then Destiny's content price. Destiny 100 a year vs WOW 180 (plus expansion price) a year. Just saying.

[@christophercarrillo4726]

@@killer6088Nah you’re trippin FR.. Destiny 2 you can pay $100 SOLELY for a meta weapon from an expansion released in like 2015 HAHA

[@killer6088]

@@christophercarrillo4726 WTF are you talking about? 100 is for the current DLC plus this whole year. Old DLC is only like 20-30 each. Get your facts straight before coming here and trying to talk false info. I can tell you have never touched D2.

[@fatusopp4739]

im actually stoked to have someone with as wide of a reach as asmon react to something in the destiny community this important. hate what bungies been doing to destiny and its good other people are jumping on the hate train. maybe itll actually make bungie fix half the issues plaguing the game rn.

[@FrostRend25]

12:00 this kind of mechanic can be convoluted but still good. For example, Dark souls weapon upgrades. In DS1, you have to have souls to upgrade a weapon, but you also need titanate shards. There are 4 levels of base titanate, but before you can go to each level, you have to give a blacksmith a coal. If you are going for base power/scaling, you need both the large and very large ember to give to Andre. If not, you have to find the specific ember you need and give it to the blacksmith who takes said ember. THEN there's the colored titanite... Anyway, the point is that convoluted systems aren't always bad, but usually gets bad ONLY through added content to a base game. A base game like Dark souls has convoluted systems, but is still easy for the player to navigate. D2 is impossible to navigate as a new player because content has been added specifically for max level characters for a long time. This also happens to a lot of MMORPGs.

[@HELLJUMPERS]

I am glad more outside eyes are able to see what is happening in this game.

[@vyressi]

42:00 No, you can't buy deepsight separately. It's on the season pass, 3 free, 3 paid, and each weapon drop you have you can use a deepsight once, so you'd need to get 3 random drops on a single item to use 3 deepsight ( most items need 5 to become craftable )

[@ThePresidentofMars]

Right now. Theyre just testing the community. Rememer the shader pack last season, now theres 3 and no new free shaders

[@surfinalien]

Aren’t there additional upgrade modules and enhancement cores in the paid version of the season pass? In-game materials that bungie takes swift action on when they discover someone has found a way to effectively farm them? Isn’t there an exotic weapon at level 1 of every season pass-if you’ve paid for it?

[@rumplefourskin6775]

I think shit like this is another reason indie games are doing so well. I think a lot of players have chosen to step away from games like this. My buddy and I don't even like buying AAA games until they're on sale.

[@svendays]

That's where I'm at. Closest thing to a AAA purchase in recent memory is BG3. Indie is just better most of the time.

[@jimbothegymbro7086]

indie games tend to be cheaper and still have a soul in them, AAA is just blatantly for the money, they don't even pretend to care anymore where I'd bet money that a solid amount of indie devs aren't doing it primarily for money, money is going to be a motivator for them but it's generally not the goal of their projects

[@jonathonshirley4169]

“Have I ever been wrong” in regards to the 3 minute cinematic- yea this time you were thankfully. Thank fuck bungie is down 45% on revenue after the final shape showcase. People finally voted with their wallets.

[@xxpiweexx2614]

Asmon reacting to Paul Tassi then Aztecross in the same day... what a world.

[@prehistorickyle]

Figuring out what dlc to buy is more complex then any raid encounter

[@sebastienlavallee1285]

When Asmon said ''Pay to win is something that makes your character more powerful or more effective in the game'', i saw people argue that there's nothing like this in destiny. Let's make it clear. If money unlocks a piece of content, raid for exemple, then you have one more milestone to do every week. So in the end it makes your character more powerful, so it's pay 2 win.

[@cosmicfrank5465]

People also forget that paying for beyond light and lightfall gets you two new subclass elements which are reeallly stong

[@sneaklone_]

I think the big p2w debate is hinged upon if it’s an instant unlock of a boost that’s pay to win, or purchasing extra content that gives exclusive items is p2w. Personally I believe the latter is more p2w but I can see the instant unlock argument as well

[@kreizytaxi]

But that's just paying for content, to the same extent buying an expansion to a game is pay to win, obviously if you aren't paying for the newest content you're not gonna be on the same level as people who do.

[@bumponalog5001]

They are just wrong. Cross explains that in the video, buying the season pass levels gets you more power immediately via deepsight harmonizers.

[@legacysquid0625]

@@kreizytaxiif you pay for content that gives you an advantage that’s pay to win man. The battle pass is flat out pay to win

[@Dargorthverse]

First bullshit move on their part was how at first base game costed money, then it was made FREE, and free players have access to same stuff that I had for freaking PRE-ORDER! This is soooo stupid.

[@M_CFV]

It's ok though they took out all the original story content and expansions so now nobody can access it

[@Dargorthverse]

@@M_CFV yeah, real brilliant move on their part there, I can't help but stand in awe at their baffling decision-making!

[@HUSK3RGAM3R]

I would love for Asmon and Aztecross to have a discussion, he could show Asmon even more how bad the MTXs have gotten

[@fatusopp4739]

100%, in his video, aztecross barely even acknowledged how predatory the bundles are priced. look at the forsaken pack, which is $20 USD for 2 activites and access to weapons kept only behind this paywall or the 30th anniversary pack which is $25 USD for access to a single activity and a rocket launcher that does 50% less damage against bosses compared to other rockets or the armory pack, which is the 2 aforementioned packs for only $5 USD more than the 30th anniversary pack. both of these are conveniently left out of the legacy collection, which is supposed to be the all encompassing pack that you still will need to also purchase another $20 USD dungeon key for if you want those 2 activities. as it stands rn, to buy destiny in its current "entirety", you will need: Lightfall+Annual Pass - $100 USD Legacy Collection - $60 USD Armory Collection - $30 USD Witch Queen Dungeon Key - $20 USD (only sold in the in-game item shop) Total - $210 USD Thats absolutely ridiculous, especially for a new player, and it becomes even more ridiculous when you figure theres an additional 9 bundles cluttering up the steam store page making it seem like you need $415 if you want to buy "everything" yet it doesnt even include WQ's dungeon key. Its so misleading and scummy, it hurts.

[@Marco-mm7bv]

It sickens me to my core to see what Destiny 2 has become, cuz maaaaaan I LOVED Destiny 1, and I have so much care and affection for that game, to see that it's sequel is nothing more than a cash grabbing machine, it hurts, it really hurts

[@Dor_Z]

Taken King was AMAZING then D2 ruined it for me by erasing it all...

[@theoriginalfluff5317]

I’ve been playing for close to 9 years… there’s so much that has been lost over the years it’s baffling. People can’t even find pvp matches due to low player count, constant error codes/disconnects, doing the same seasonal activities for years after years to earn the guns/armor I already own, it’s just bad. I straight up tell people do not buy this game

[@LezArtist5iG]

8:41 In PoE you can't buy gear, items, or currency. You can't buy power. You can only buy stash tabs, to store loot or cosmetics.

[@MyNameIsSalo]

Those stash tabs save you a considerable amount of time, and enable trade with other players, both of which indirectly increase player power by a factor of like x10? It is an INSANE power advantage.

[@LezArtist5iG]

@@MyNameIsSalo Only the premium stash tabs, allow you to trade. Trading doesn't give you power. You need currency to trade. Which leads back to playing the game, to get power. You can't buy Stash Tabs, then trade for the best gear. Once you install the game, buy the stash tabs, you can't buy power to easily beat the game.