Destiny 2 has become a Microtransaction Hell | Asmongold Reacts

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[@HLCTenstar]

I think another major problem with all this monetization is that the original D2 story along with 2 DLC's that we payed for were removed too. That's another gut punch.

[@joebk44]

Seriously? I haven’t really played d2 since the original game came out. That’s fucked up. Tbh I stopped playing destiny when I realized that initial game they launched was basically an expansion. For $60. Glad I jumped ship because I guess it’s just gone downhill. I even remember bungie blaming micro transactions on Activision. Man I miss Destiny 1.

[@betasector]

Nothing of value was lost.

[@dakineprotoss]

@@joebk44 i quit the same exact time, for the same exact reason. I played Destiny 2 from launch every night with my roommate for a month or so, but then its just running down the same chorelist every week and its not fun. Then they released an expansion for $40 and I realized they are drip feeding the game for expansions every 3 months and thats not a model I want to play. Also, its a boring game after you get to the point where its just doing yhour weekly ingram checklist blah.

[@cameronmason4452]

@@dakineprotoss Games as a service do always reach this point: Wow dailies, Apex weeklies, etc

[@aaronfox5747]

I payed for d1 three times because of their bs. Along with a PlayStation store issue. After foresaken. I took a break, and when I came back have been completely lost, and have no clue where to start.

[@PattycakesGaming]

The actual price to experience all of the Destiny 2 content as a brand new player is astronomical. They really need to bundle things in some reasonable way to catch up

[@brmawe]

Patty! And yeah for a new light they just wouldn't know where to start

[@sp00kdagul]

Patty is here too! Well said. Paying full price (when theyre not on sale) for dlcs more than a year ago is ridicolous, its so hard to convince new lights to buy a dlc if theres one really good weapon specific to that dlc, looking at you divinity and shadowkeep

[@fredxu99]

Not to mention that the older DLCs that they're still selling at FULL PRICE have 95% of their content stripped out and deleted..

[@wasdincasey]

Game can go on sale and dlc but never dungeon keys. You can only buy the keys with silver or a deluxe edition.

[@daviddeusinger5184]

I’ve had at least 4 friends try destiny 2 in the last year and all of them quit within 48 hours. I think after around the 4th time I said “Yea but you have to do this, this and this before you can do that” they just lost interest. Really sucks to be in this state

[@stfu_grimmi]

These games are becoming more and more like "Go to work, do your job list of meaningless tasks to occupy your mind and time, then pay your boss for the privilege of doing said tasks"

[@CeraphineLuna]

Fr

[@chillpengeru]

True, however I will say Destiny's core gameplay is great. Too bad everything else sucks. Never got into it because of the awful story, monetization, etc etc

[@bannerman001]

Line was drawn 2 years ago. 2000-3000 hours in the game. When the content got removed that I already payed for, plus nothing new in pvp. Is became a job and not at all fun anymore. Uninstalled, never went back to it. And seeing that nothing has changed, no plans to go back.

[@coltonwilkie241]

Barely anyone brings up the content vault. It's the worst case of anti-consumerism I've ever seen. It's bad when Fortnite does it with free content and it's about 1000x as bad when Destiny does it for PAID content.

[@adenlaible7066]

I stopped a week after Lightfall because the bullshit from Bungie at this rate already buried you so deep you couldn't even see the sky. I was a diehard lover to Destiny and was a childhood gem, it broke my heart in so many ways once Bungie went down this road.

[@ViktorSilver-qj5wp]

Same

[@Dark-uj2jq]

I think the reason this video is popping off so much is because people see a lot of similarities with other live services. People are just fed up with getting an unfinished game with a battle pass at launch. Nothing is ever gonna last forever.

[@alexdolezalu9066]

Sad but true. And let's not forget PAID Early Access games that get microtransactions implemented before the rest of the game is finished. an ARPG on steam comes to mind that i forgot the name of.

[@compostsmurf5519]

​@alexdolezalu9066 have u noticed that the stores for these early access unfinished games generally work flawlessly but nothing else does 😂

[@Jabinc]

I think its because Destiny is the leader in live service games, so almost every other gaming company is looking at what destiny does and taking notes so to speak. So anyone paying attention is looking at what bungie is doing even if they don't play the game.

[@thefreeman5653]

@@Jabinc Nah, Fortnite is the leading live service game and the one that started the Battle Pass Madness, Collabs and Skin Packs

[@dylr7883]

Yeah. Sadly, Destiny 2 is one of the earliest adopters of this model, and it's really been emblematic of the disappointment of the last ten years in gaming itself. Destiny has actually managed to put out good content every other year, but it's undeniable the monetization model (and poor initial releases) truly is the black mark on Destiny 2 and this era of gaming in general.

[@StateBlaze1989]

I miss the days where seeing a player with a unique skin made you go "wow, what super difficult challenge did they pull off to unlock that?" instead of "wow, they must have a ton of money to burn to buy that".

[@Ioganstone]

I remember making rune chainmail and being satisfied with that, knowing each little ingredient and level that went into rune plate. And when you made the chainmail, it was like no we're going back to weapons or another metal type, you don't just leap one armor to the next. Now we're out of the realm of cosmetics though..

[@gerardorodriguez3430]

This is exactly why I quit destiny I remember when I would hours or days grinding for exotics, armor and cosmetics only to see that they could just be purchased with zero effort later there is actually no point in even playing anymore

[@Daniel-wz3yv]

When getting a title meant something... game died for me the moment it went f2p.

[@lebigmac1426]

Like in souls games with the white spirits of other players

[@sclapple3192]

@@Daniel-wz3yv Yeah they fucked up super bad setting light levels to 1000 off rip and locking old content behind dlc's. The light level thing literally made me quit on the spot. I was level 600 or something i think after playing for a good while about 3 years ago and came back to the game a year later. All my characters were lvl 1000, but the actual gear I had was garbage to continue playing the game. Reset my characters to "try again" and that shit didn't last more than a week

[@DerekS-lg6nt]

The problem is that over time, instead of creating items just for micro transactions, bungie has been pulling cosmetic items that are typically in the paid version of the game and then locking it behind a pay wall. They adopted all the worst traits from Activision when they left.

[@milkycannon444]

they could keep the scummy shit they do as long as we got a forsaken every year. But we only got that because of acti and the additional support from vicarious and the other dev teams. We got more quality content and the monetization was less than it isnow. Never thought id actually miss activision being involved but this is a prime example of the grass isnt always greener.

[@FingerBreakerWu]

Not even remotely true.

[@xSoulhunterDKx]

Jokes on you, bungie did that before activision 😂😂😂 Activision never had the rights to decide such actions in the first place with destiny as a whole. Bungie was in control of everything basically. Stop excusing this bullshit

[@knightofnightside]

@@xSoulhunterDKx activision did have the rights to demand a return in investment though and all bungie was able to come up with is the "eververse" because "making content is hard" and another forsaken was never going to happen again

[@xSoulhunterDKx]

@@knightofnightside Activision wasn’t in control of dlcs and prices directly and what is being monetized. Bungie did that.

[@slappytheclown4]

The thing with cosmetics being behind a paywall in destiny 2 is that the cosmetics were typically one of the big things people loved to grind for and tended to be locked behind challenging content, so the move to having the majority of them being in the eververse shop is extremely disappointing and lowers the amount of things in game to grind for. The year of triumph or whatever update in destiny 1 added some of the best armor ornaments in the game and they were earnable by beating the 4 raids.

[@trey_dizzle4161]

thats why i miss Destiny 1. Destiny 2 was a big let down for me as a HUGE destiny fan

[@Twilight.Princess]

Asmon reacting to Aztecross is something I NEVER knew would happen. That’s crazy.

[@superfinalsmash6821]

why? aztecross literally sponsored by asmons cock pc company starforge

[@leandromadeireira8840]

Being honest, this video was like a perfect bait for him to react.

[@Arctis326]

Rage baiting is the best way to get views

[@Tom-bi4ci]

Slap that like button like yo momma taught ya right

[@DMR_MAK]

We just need both of em on a Theo Von Podcast

[@stavi82]

Crazy to realize that Activision wasn't actually the problem.

[@KT-83]

Remember how happy we where when they split? O man how wrong we where, they are even scummier!

[@itsyouuu3152]

well they where the problem and then after they left bungie drop a banger like forsaken and then they slowly became what activision was

[@elseggs6504]

​@@itsyouuu3152 Nope, you can thank Activision for that Banger too. Their studios also did the seasons and Opulence is universally loved. The first thing Bungie did on their own was Shadowkeep, so the first genuinely good expansion they made (by themselves) is Witchqueen and everything else varying degrees of mediocrity

[@itsyouuu3152]

@@elseggs6504 dang

[@syllawblood]

I mean. Bungie is doing a lot of Activision stuff now. They definitely learned from them. I hope it all works out. Because they have so much control now. They're not enslaved to whoever bought them. They are profitable

[@RazzleTheRed1]

I tried to get into Destiny 2 a year or so ago. After I beat the tutorial "campaign" (really just a few missions that don't give you any info on anything going on at all) pretty much all there was to do without paying was repetitive grinding activities. The gunplay was decent, but got boring pretty quickly without a reason to keep playing. Apparently there used to be another free campaign but it was deleted from the game. There wasn't even a story to latch onto to get me into the game, I was told I was a guardian but to this day I still don't know what I was supposed to be guarding.

[@Ocelcinion]

Hold the fuck on. Are you telling me there's no main campaign anymore?? I played for a few hours some years back, I don't even remember when, but I at least had a story mode to slog through.

[@avaliantsoul5408]

The base game's campaign, the Red War, was "vaulted" when Beyond light (Y5, I think) was released. because the size of the game was "too much to manage".@@Ocelcinion

[@fel524]

​@@Ocelcinionyeah it got content vaulted, it's not in the game anymore because "game too big guys". Reminder people payed €60 for that trash at launch

[@thecrypticstench]

@@fel524not only that, I payed for both subsequent expansions (which were trash as well lmao) that also got vaulted, then bungie turned and sold all that shit again. This franchise is dead to me.

[@treeleaves1995]

@@avaliantsoul5408 thats because they changed engines tf you mean... like bro please talk shit when you know the shit youre talking about. they are just too lazy to remake year 1-4 of destiny

[@MrWorldLovePeace]

The way Asmon explained everything at 12:44 into the video, is like doing the quest One Small Favor from Rs3/OSRS. Amazing.

[@DamianSzajnowski]

11:30 He starts explaining comparing to gacha games

[@StrangerForever85]

Gah! Why would you bring that up?! I just finished blocking that from memory again!

[@iamponchovilla]

You're giving me PTSD about that quest

[@dkay9013]

That rant Gave me mad Fate vibes

[@BradleyNewton-ku4db]

Omg fuck that quest bro

[@Yoder023]

Speaking as a former player: Most people that are still making excuses because they have already sunk so much money into this game, that they can't face what they've done

[@wilhelm2112ryan]

No matter the game I go by dollar per hour. I've played for almost 4k hours and have spent nowhere near that so I'm gucci

[@timothymoore2966]

They addicts but won’t admit

[@matthewcaimbeul8722]

@@wilhelm2112ryan Delete your characters and you’ll realize how little you actually care. 15k in the game gone.

[@wilhelm2112ryan]

@@matthewcaimbeul8722 I'm not sure I follow. If I delete a character I still have played destiny for the same amount of time. I wouldn't delete characters as I have played on them for years at this point ( minus my hunter ). I'd delete any of my diablo 4 characters and not give a shit at all

[@-The-Golden-God-]

It's called the sunk cost fallacy.

[@ericoftheotherworld1525]

This is by far the most confusing game I have ever played because of all the expansions, staying on main quests and upgrades. I totally understood when he said "what do I buy???" because I felt the same way.

[@GhostlyShadow]

I wanted to play the game, but when i noticed the expansions were going to be expensive themselves, i never got into it, cuz i saw i couldnt afford it then, and i cant afford it now, fuck gaming, i miss the days where it was fun and you didnt have to worry about how much money you had to have to play a game

[@SlyI42]

8:49 what an amazing use for the emotes lol. 47:26 exactly, sometimes I open a game and it looks like I'm seeing a store's website. It's terrible, I miss the old days where I would just play and get excited to be unlocking things from my hard work. Not by unlocking things with the money I earn from a actual work.

[@baronsengir187]

Then buy games that do that. Plenty of them.

[@5HITBOX]

As someone who was a day 1 destiny 1 and 2 player I was so sad leaving destiny for good. It’s like a friend into gambling/drugs always asking for money.

[@Jacobb..]

D1 was peak miss those days

[@5HITBOX]

@@Jacobb.. I remember wanting micro transaction cosmetics 😂 so excited for D1 taken gear. That was the beginning of the end.

[@kaiseale10]

fuck it im not. I still play destiny 1 every now and then, far more than I've ever played destiny 2, i immediately abandoned destiny 2 once the bullshit that curse of Osiris was, came out, i went back to it once forsaken came out, hoping that the game would FINALLY get completely new content, which it did for a short while but i lost interest again within the first couple years and even then later with the following dlcs, destiny 2 never made any kind of impact on me or drew my interest into the game consistently enough for the last 3-5 years now. I go back to the game solely when im bored out of my fucking mind (which is very rare for me since there are so many better single player and multiplayer out games anyway), but other than that i could care less for destiny 2. Players and content creators alike should've seen the writing on the fucking wall once the whole "free to play" aspect started with destiny 2, and now its finally making people realize how bone fucking dry destiny 2s pool of content actually is without microtransactions or purchased dlc content. Bungie has shit on the OG destiny community and the games eco system for the last several years now and i think its a good thing more people are dropping this sorry ass excuse of a continuation of destiny 1.🤷‍♂

[@mikabakker1]

I also stopped playing a couple seasons ago. I also started D1 day 1. I even convinced my friends to play it too after a few weeks, we all had a different class as our mains so it felt like we were like a standard fireteam . Fast forward a lot of years and we were all tired f what Destiny had become. The slow weekly story advancements, battlepasses, increase in price for cosmetics. the overal story (like how many times are we gonna beat some god only for it to be topped by another god) It's a shame what Destiny has become and that we decided we didn't had fun anymore we played for so long and cared about so much lore and stuff but now we don't care anymore

[@andrew-rn9ui]

​@@ChickenJoe-tq6xddefinitely halo 3 custom games for me, halo ran so destiny could walk , Halo custom games and matchmaking in halo 3 was peak console gaming online wise , halo 3 , gears 1-3 , mw 2 , black ops 2 , Destiny was kind of a let down tbh, good game but not at all what bungie promised everyone

[@zideane1]

Its actually slightly worse than it seems. Due to 'sunsetting' theres a LOT of content that I have paid for that is no longer even in the game. I mean multiple expansions worth of content. So not only do they milk the playerbase, the content that was already in the game they took away to force players to buy new content. I miss the mini Argos raid :/

[@ipsom1968]

This shit is exactly what made me quit Destiny 2.

[@ekscalybur]

Oh, that thing you bought 3 years ago? You're not allowed to play it again. Why in the hell would any customer see that and not immediately rage is beyond me. We live amongst absolute idiots, and you should hate them.

[@305backup]

​@@ekscalyburOh i do. People actually act like they did us a favor by removing shit we paid for then doubling the price of everthing going forward

[@zideane1]

@ekscalybur5247 it's why i stopped playing and why I probbably won't play marathon. The whole gaming industry is a shit show

[@polski8bit]

I caught up quick with what was going to happen with the game. As soon as I got 2 absolutely shit DLCs in the deluxe edition (which I didn't even pay for, a friend got me the game to play together, and I still want "my" money back) and they announced more, I was out. It was even more ridiculous to see people saying how they "fixed" the game with Forsaken - like I'm going to spend ADDITIONAL $40 just play a game like it was supposed to be at launch. Nah man, I ain't sinking money into a game just to make it "good". Give me a good base experience and I'll consider dropping more for GOOD content. Unfortunately Bungie isn't doing the former and is inconsistent with the latter.

[@AuthorsAgony]

Its sad and disgusting at the same time that Bungie became what they tried so hard to get away from (ie Microsoft and Activison). I admired these people for all the work they put into their Halo games...How the mighty fall.

[@themythicx8735]

Activision poisoned them

[@alexsynthesis]

I remember celebrating when they left activision. I think I prefer them being part of activision 😭

[@MaMastoast]

And this the problem with modern AAA game monetization. They say the insane prices are to support the game, but there is absolutely no way to determine how much content you are getting for that money at the moment of paying. "This skin has to be 20 euro, we want to support the game in the future" is a sales tactics, not actual reality

[@spdewertton]

It drives me nuts how expensive stuff is in some games. I booted up SWOTOR and a single weapon skin costs $20. Why would I spend that on a single skin? If I could spend that and buy 10+ shiny new toys I'd be much more willing to open my wallet. It's all just digital goods, why wouldn't you emphasize volume? I mean a whole expension in GW2 costs $30. Hell, 1 month of premium in SWTOR is $15. But $20 for a single skin that came out years ago? Yikes. Say what you want about crappy mobile games. But I've caved and paid for more than one cheap game because they offered piles of useful stuff for just $1 or $2 as a first purchase deal. Warframe gets me too with their 50% and 90% plat discounts on PC. I can spend $15 there and go absolutely ham on their online store, it's great.

[@fortmcmurtry]

I am glad this video exists. As a huge destiny fan the game has been a major letdown for the amount of money they have been charging. Hope videos like this raise awareness for consumers

[@zogwort1522]

As an outsider, I don't get the visual appeal of the game. All the skins follow the same template, same silhouette, cosmetic differences are small, and it's all designed in that early 2010s high-tech silicon valley futurism style that makes me think of manbuns and vaping and minimal sleeve tats and e-scooters. What's the draw?

[@LuanS012]

​@@zogwort1522space cowboy goes pew pew

[@AngelLee162540]

@@zogwort1522Most people don’t use the armors as a set, you could make some interesting looks if you mix & match with other armors and shaders.

[@zogwort1522]

@@LuanS012 But they don't look like space cowboys, they look like space AssCreed cosplayers.

[@micah9988]

@@zogwort1522lol… what is a visually appealing game to you then? Anime girls with huge tits? 😭😭

[@trainerred1345]

Cross has just hit the big time. This will undoubtedly be his biggest video to date.

[@TryHardGary]

A half baked truth and lies video will be his biggest video. Yep slimest Destiny KZbinr. What a great video to remove context and act like certain things actually affect the average Destiny player. "Pay 2 Win" lmao what a shit ass section.

[@Arctis326]

Rage bait is the way

[@immoralboi3158]

@@Arctis326 So being honest about a game is rage baiting now?

[@mattcubed9658]

@@immoralboi3158 People will always defend garbage if they're invested enough

[@holydiver327]

I remember listening to my friend talk for 2 hours about why grinding 80 hours a week on Destiny 2 is worth it

[@baronsengir187]

Holy shit. Full on addictive behavior. Hope they do ok.

[@dunkawunka2278]

Bro 80 hours a week is 14 hours a day wtf 💀

[@nolimitjason5546]

​@dunkawunka2278 do you realize who we are watching. Among has negative vitamin D

[@derrickkinney5399]

So basically a fortnite player

[@deathproof8732]

I remember trying to play free thinking I could do the basic release campaign. Found out they removed it to save space for the paid stuff. I bought Witch Queen for 10 bucks, started it up and had no clue who anyone was, or what any of the terms and locations were. So I just uninstalled it.

[@KnezAlex]

The worst thing is that game has such potential, world first raids, competitive pvp, clan vs clan pvp, gambit competitive... But Bungie destroyed every single enjoyable part of the game.

[@N.O.A_YT]

Competitive pvp????? YOU SERious LMaoooooooo.

[@johannes1432]

​@@N.O.A_YTit had in D1 especially in the Taken King. There was a very elite and competetive scene around trials

[@choke-]

@@N.O.A_YT at some point in destiny history the pvp was very good, trials was sick content

[@J3wFro69]

​@@N.O.A_YTpeople are wild, PvP was never competitive lol I'm with you on this. Going to die on this hill

[@NATSIRT_45]

@@N.O.A_YT Trials was unironically a starting point for some major pvp streamers prior to fortnite and pubg

[@BreakBarrier]

Dungeon Keys are where I completely drew the line, I wasn't a serious Destiny player by any means before they added them but when I learned of the dungeon keys I decided I would never return

[@michael-pg8fi]

that's strictly in place so they can get you to spend $80 (or a extra 40) on the deluxe version. This game has the scummiest business model.

[@JGburneraccount]

Dungeons have always been paid, Bungie gave us a free dungeon once as a gift and then went back to making them a paywall.

[@michael-pg8fi]

​@@JGburneraccountwell dungeons were included in the expansion you bought now they are separate lol

[@icantsleepman]

​@michael-pg8fi And that was just for witch queen. They upped the price this year despite the whole package being worse in quality.

[@sirnonsense5033]

Well u just have to add these things slowly and steady then they don’t mind some dropping out cuz most already paid for the game. Same will happen with Diablo 4 cuz it’s also an activities live of service.

[@PlayfulFruitLPer]

A wise person once said: I used to go to the store to find a game. Now I go to a game to find a store.

[@0Rosanna]

56:49

[@DeadHawk23]

I remember I bought a package for Elder Scrols Online where it was explained to me that it came with all the DLC but when I got in game it came with the expansions but not the DLC which are different. I got a refund after asking if there was a way for me to buy it all in 1 purchase and the support told me no. They literally lost me as a customer because buying all that content would force me to buy 2 bundles that share half of their content or buy each DLC by itself which is stupid af.

[@reagansido5823]

"You're not gonna convince me that 3 skins should cost 60$" (Side-eyes OW2) Hard agree with that.

[@MrDekasOne]

Wow never expected to see asmon react to aztecross, a pleasant surprise for sure

[@skyj451]

Why ? Are you a fanboy ?

[@TheOneAndOnlyLUUUU]

@@skyj451 Because the Destiny content creator community is kind of insular. Not many of them are that well know outside of the destiny playerbase or generally even do anything aside from destiny content. So someone like Asmongold reacting to Destiny content is not something you see every day.

[@SudsyFistPiston]

@@skyj451I’m a fan of them both ❤

[@bdiax]

@@skyj451says the fanboy 😂

[@hajkie]

The worst part of destiny 2 was that they removed the campaign you actually bought.

[@starlightrains]

And the raid you actually bought. And another raid you actually bought. And another raid you actually bought. And another raid you actually bought. And another raid you actually bought. Literally. 5 raids have been removed (leviathan, eater of worlds, spire of stars, scourge of the past, and crown of sorrow.)

[@MusMasi]

they removed content that people paid for and the frogs stayed in the pot, well most of them.

[@WozLee]

@@MusMasi Because most of the "frogs" had already done that content to death. Removing an old raid like Scourge of the Past sucks, it makes the game less of a value proposition for new players, and creates massive contextual holes that get plugged in the laziest ways imaginable. Back in the day if you wanted the Whisper of the Worm sniper rifle you went on this awesome mission to find a hidden portal that only spawns in certain circumstances, then you have a timed jumping puzzle to complete that finished in a massive boss fight, which not only gave you the gun, but also unlocked the master mode of that mission which you could farm for the catalyst and achievements to get the best looking ship in the game. Now, because they removed the planet that mission was on, and the mission itself, if you want to get the Whisper of the Worm sniper rifle? You go out and do the most monotonous content you could image, save up resources which as a new player you need for literally everything, and in huge quantities... and you buy it from a vendor. Almost every exotic weapon in that kiosk used to have some kind of mission or event tied to it, and they were all removed, so that the content they were attached to could be dismantled, repackaged and sold back to us, saving costs and dev time whilst Bungie apparently plough all their resources into Marathon. All of these things suck, but they really don't affect veteran players that much. For us it's the principal more than anything. This is why I find it so hard to recommend Destiny to people, because whilst I would happily recommend the experience I had, that experience is unavailable to anyone playing the game today, and the experience that's on offer? The entire New Light experience? You'd have to be a masochist to put yourself through that.

[@derrickkinney5399]

​@@WozLeeThe problem with this video is he doesn't go out and say anything positive about anything so he just looks like a ranter. He also doesn't go into any detail with most of the problems with the game, probably because he himself has no clue. Basically to me who also still plays every once in a while I know what's been sunset, what not to do etc, but he for some reason has no idea of anything

[@Cab8819]

100%what stopped me from buying it. I heard I couldn't actually play what I missed out on, and realized I only wanted in on what I heard about, not what was new

[@shadeymcbones6707]

In terms of getting cosmetics from the actual game. This is how it works. 95% of all customization items come from the eververse store, but lots of Raid and Dungeon armor still looks fucking sick. HOWEVER, the transmog system sucks. If you want to be able to use an armor piece you have as an ornament, you have to spend 1 Armor strap token. You get these from doing a bounty. So it cost 5 tokens/bounties to transform 1 armor set in a cosmetic one you can equip over your gear. But here is the kicker, you can only do 10 bounties per season, and after that you'd have to pay for synthweave straps in the eververse store. Also, exotic weapon skins do not drop in the game, eververse or pre-order dlc is the only way you can get new skins for exotc weapons and armor

[@ryenjimenez4172]

Its the player driven market that saves warframe for me, i remember when i had gotten a piece of the saryn prime, and i guess its the one everyone wanted or is really hard to get, and someone gave me the entire set of volt prime (which is who i wanted at the time) in exchange for that one piece

[@derrickkinney5399]

I don't think the people making this video have spent any true amount of time playing games if they think this is new

[@SilverScar11396]

I’ve been in the destiny franchise since Destiny 1 Beta, and it’s so sad how horribly worse the monetization has gotten.

[@ThaRajaTrilogy]

I’m surprise he didn’t mention the xp throttle incident they pulled destiny made a lot of greedy grimmey moves over the years I loved the game so much I would take the abuse but finally I said enough and had to retire my guardians

[@fluidintelligence1]

I was too, then I stopped playing when they forced you to buy new DLC packs to actually play anything…

[@nimmer4749]

It's funny to think back to all of the hope everyone had when Bungie split from Activision. Only to realize Bungie was the real villain all along.

[@rezzy3964]

​@@nimmer4749 destiny could be so much more, probably the opus magnum of bungie, corrupted by activision and lobotomised by bungie itself. I'm still gonna play marathon, since nobody does scifi games like bungie, not even close, tried to find several times, but the excitement that early destiny days gave me is all but dead

[@isaiassaraviabuendia9635]

how do you survive in there?

[@TheSplicedBread]

Aztecross is to Destiny as Asmon is to WoW. Really amazing to see them kinda cross paths.

[@WanBelltrum]

@@Fadaar Ion know about that

[@JetskiChucK]

Nobody ever mentions Clyde he is the goat

[@topical6574]

Sometimes heroes brush shoulders.

[@smithereenss5840]

​@@JetskiChucKhe ain't got no neck

[@spartancaptain]

@@JetskiChucKdoesn’t he kill kittens or something? He shit talks everyone even though he’s been riding sweat’s coattails since they met

[@scshupe7411]

The beginning transitioning mixed with twitch chats reaction was perfect…

[@sumdaybro]

29:53 you used to in destiny one when you got the dlc. The ornaments used to come with the dlc

[@duckys_on_quack]

Aztecrosses level of production in his videos is insane especially with the amount of content he pumps out im glad to see him get the recognition he deserves!

[@Bazzabazeman]

Even before Asmongold's attention to this, his video almost hit 1m views while his normal videos get around a 100k. He made a masterpiece.

[@oxsila]

@@Bazzabazeman Negativity sells

[@ipoml3804]

@@oxsilano he talked about some negative topics before and it didn’t hit like this video…

[@starlightrains]

@@oxsilayes but negativity towards big corporations is always fun and cool, so this time it’s very justified.

[@wilhelm2112ryan]

​@@Bazzabazemanhe made negativity....that ALWAYS gets clicks

[@j0hnnyblade]

I remember how back in D1 people were saying 'silver is only in the game because of greedy Activision'

[@Ickygrunt]

I would have gone with certain ideas being lock behind expansions like the stasis subclass it just so happens that stasis is the best subclass for pvp

[@michaelwright956]

I was a full time player of Destiny 2 (Cayde6sSonAce). And it’s funny you said you need to go lay down and take a nap. This games was exhausting with all the daily laundry list of things to do. And then they give you limited vault space to manage 3 characters. I had to give it up for awhile. I was worn out and I’m just tired thinking about it.

[@ghostlypenguin4417]

It's cool to see someone as big as Asmon reacting to Aztecross' video, especially with how dire the issue being addressed is.

[@he8535]

Buys "Club pass" but "Club house" is $20 more

[@acesonflush346]

I agree, but sadly I know this won't change shit. Too many gaming companies care about money more than creating good games.

[@hazeytom9133]

"how dire the issue is" brother its not dire its just annoying life is far to complicated and difficult for a video game monetization to be a dire situation for you

[@ChazzyPhizzle1]

Dude if you play 750-1000 hours in a year it’s $0.10-$0.13 a HOUR for entertainment. If you waste money on cosmetics that’s your problem. I haven’t spent a dime on this game outside of DLC and have soooo many cosmetics and enjoy the game just fine. This is not a dire situation. The dire situation is people deciding to spend $10 for a damn skin.

[@mattux9705]

​@@ChazzyPhizzle1 new people have 0 hours in the game and have to spend 400 fucking dollars to play the full game. And then they play the new light campaign and nope the fuck out. -400$

[@ichigo9171]

I always find it funny when ppl call the slippery slope a falacy. See corporations call it a business strategy.

[@aznhomig]

People who claim that slippery slopes aren't real are trying to gaslight you as they push you down the proverbial slippery slope.

[@altonb.1396]

​@@aznhomigPrecisely. I heard once that the slippery slope argument is only a fallacy if you have no evidence of prior behavior. If u do, then its an obvious pattern.

[@smitty215able]

The "slippery slope fallacy" doesn't mean slippery slopes don't exist. It's a fallacy when you claim a slippery slope exists without sufficient reason to believe it. Slippery slopes absolutely exist, nazi Germany was an example of a slippery slope

[@TheOfficialCmoe]

It says a lot when Fortnite’s battle pass is better than destiny 2

[@Clementinewoofwoof]

This video hits so damn well, your a good man for both reacting and picking it apart nicely Asmond

[@fr12221]

One thing i would like to point out: some people have seen this happening ahead of time. Those people were raising the point Cross has put here, also ahead of time. Some have even been blacklisted by Bungie themselves for going public with their predictions, and a lot of players were mocking them, and pronouncing them haters. Ever since Cross has posted this video, BDF (Bungie Defense Force, a.k.a. most loyal players who tend to excuse every single Bungie decision, no matter how shitty, scummy and toxic it can be) has been weirdly silent.

[@WozLee]

Most of the Destiny 2 content creators are gladhanding cowards, all pretending to be friends in order to climb the greasy pole. They would glady shank Aztecross in the back if they thought it meant they could take his place in the community and get further in with Bungie, problem is we all love Cross, so they stay quiet as they rightfully should. If Cross was less popular, they'd have been doing what they did to SayNoToRage, which... people talk about cancelling and stuff, what they did to him was obscene.

[@zachrohler1047]

​@@WozLeedatto giving bungie sloppy every time they add some new shit to buy

[@rusty4265]

@@WozLee Yea Lono got the short end of the stick. He gave off kinda sorta creepy vibes with a few girls in the community, one who happens to be married to a Bungie VP, and they banned him from the community and game. I was thinking he had at least harassed or abused someone, but no! Such a pathetic circle of people.

[@SpikeRazzor]

​@@zachrohler1047Why I said some of these guys are getting flown out in secret, like IG models and shown shit WAY ahead of time (like the dude who was dropping spoilers and got too comfortable recently).

[@FadedMaple07]

@@zachrohler1047 I don't really like the guy but that statement is just false. Datto literally have been complaining about how scummy destiny's microtransactions since 7 years ago.

[@jurneelucero1287]

as a d2 player im so ready for this video

[@beanenator]

My mind still goes to Diablo 2 when people say this 😂😂😂😂

[@AceofBlood94]

Haven't played since new light

[@tnerty6087]

Same

[@elvindejesus8584]

D2 will always be Diablo 2.

[@douglasnevins1598]

Same, I adore d2 so much, but fuck thos video needed to be made, and with how Asmon talks about microtransactions n stuff I was interested to hear his take

[@sunlightcrusader]

If bungie wants to treat the game as free to play then campaigns should be free!

[@xxcristianxx3418]

Damn after 6 months, the game is dying again, atleast steamchart shows everymonth a decrease in the playerbase and as a hardcore destiny 1 player i really hope it keeps on dying.

[@Kr4v3rd]

Destiny 1 isn't playable at all anymore right?

[@xxcristianxx3418]

@@Kr4v3rd Not sure, honestly last time I played it was on the xbox 360 a decade ago

[@jeremystone4139]

Anyone who has quit playing Destiny, knows about these problems... Hopefully videos like this, prevent new players from falling into the same trap.

[@-The-Golden-God-]

Feels good being free 🙌

[@ISesseriI]

I can't believe the game got worse. I stopped playing in Forsaken for good and I couldn't believe DUNGEON KEYS are a fucking thing

[@midnightblue3285]

@@ISesseriI What happends if you stop playing the dungeons

[@jdvsjboy]

​@@-The-Golden-God-brother we're all free, they showed they're true colors last season and now it's way worse lol

[@AG-bp3ll]

I quit this game four years ago when I felt the microtransactions were getting out of control. Little did I know how good I had it back then.

[@lowfpsman1483]

Also in POE you dont need currency tab. Its just neat thing for people who love order.

[@markymark2820]

I was a D1 veteran all the way to the end (Rise of Iron), and played D2 from launch but by the end of Shadowkeep bungies monetization of this game had almost single handedly killed every last ounce of interest I had in the game. I came back off and on during beyond light but every single time I did it would last 1 maybe 2 weeks at most. It's almost depressing knowing just how much potential this game had only for it to be completely squandered away out of greed. And I don't say this lightly at all but this game very easily had more than enough potential to be one of the greatest games of all time.

[@Xorn4359]

Destiny 2 is the only game I've ever played that had such an Astronomical price tag that i felt like a bad person for trying to get others to play with me

[@cosmicthought3419]

You shouldn't. Like if anybody just buys out cosmetics, expansions and what so not just to get into it, that's the equivalent of throwing your money in the garbage bin. Like at that point, just donate it to a homeless person with a drug addiction. On the other hand if you spend roughly a couple of weeks or a month or so to see if you want to play the game, then you can decide to invest for your own consumption. It's business and only a product. By the time you're in your 60s, that money is digitally wasted, t'was good trip though.

[@derrickkinney5399]

Bet your going to have people pay $100 for gta6 lol

[@iillestrs2153]

Aztec is worth watching even if you don’t play destiny, love the guy

[@oNextq]

Yea quit playing destiny but still watch some of his stuff

[@Zelisius]

It's the energy he has. Shits contagious

[@woonsish]

Destiny doesn't deserve Cross tbh that man is a goat lmao

[@Herringboner]

If he branches out that guy can be as big as Tim the tat man, Doc, Nickmercs Ect.

[@gambeano]

​@@Herringboneri think asmon reacting positively to him and subbing on stream will be that bridge. Hopefully anyways. Love aztecross

[@jonathonshirley4169]

“Have I ever been wrong” in regards to the 3 minute cinematic- yea this time you were thankfully. Thank fuck bungie is down 45% on revenue after the final shape showcase. People finally voted with their wallets.

[@shquankinket8068]

The thing people often forget about cosmetic only mtx is that they take dev time that could’ve been used for really good content. And we see this issue with destiny 2 a lot. For years we haven’t had any new vendor armor sets but every 3 months we get 2 brand new dope ass armor sets for silver. Along with a few exotic weapon and armor ornaments. We get way more character customization options for silver then we can actually earn in game

[@teamofone1219]

One scummy thing about Destiny 2 I found that no one talks about is how the Devs can essentially delete expansions or dlc to make room for newer expansions because that’s why the og campaign is not there because they felt the game is too big.

[@nobelissimos8719]

Had no interest in Destiny 1 or 2 and heard they had issues and whatever, but 2 seemed to get better and I saw it on for a pretty good sale with expansions so I bought them against my better judgement. Not long after they gave the game and expansions out for free because they were planning on deleting them for the new expansions. I managed to go through the main story but I didn't get to touch any of the expansions I paid for before they were deleted and I never bothered playing the game again. Im glad I quit before I really got into the game. Still mad I got robbed of 60 dollars.

[@BarredRock]

Yup additionally I go by the Opinion of Red War being the single BEST Destiny Campaign and it got removed

[@oxsila]

Basically they removed a bunch of planets and content so they can use it in future for seasonal content lol. They just reskin it and hope noone notices. It's crazy

[@Thesavagesouls]

Dude i had no idea they removed old campaigns. I'm never going back to that game.

[@DrMattHH]

​@@ThesavagesoulsI started playing at the first expansion (of 5 so far), and they had ALREADY deleted huge portions of the campaign because of the stupid way they forced the single player campaign to be part of the multiplayer world, which is constantly changing. I skipped an expansion & tried to get back in, & it was a nightmare trying to figure out what you were supposed to be going. Literally impossible to follow any part of the story because they're constantly deleting things.

[@ThatCinnabon]

It's crazy too because I feel like it's made this way to prey on people who don't just buy the Expansion + Annual Pass. If you get that bundle, you basically don't have to worry about buying anything until next year/the next expansion. But the minute you decide not to get that bundle, you have to start doing mental gymnastics and going on an Amazonian expedition to fill in the gaps of what you don't have. It's terrible.

[@SkellyHertz]

You do need to worry, or at least be annoyed by, the event pass being waved in front of you every season.

[@theexternal2352]

This is well said

[@diinvolg4838]

@@SkellyHertz just dont play the events, theyre garbage anyway

[@jimmyjab8090]

Yes and no, the dungeons are extra content we never used to get we get 2 a year more work = we need to get paid! what if they just increased the cost of the seasons but only those including a dungeon? People would lose their minds! Just as they have now with the relatively small price increase. I agree it’s confusing and badly done and The fragmentation of legacy content is bad but also bungie knows that they specifically said the next on boarding point would be after light and dark ends. What’s the solution we don’t want to pay for it? Then they will stop making it saying that the 30th anniversary would of been free in d1 is BS because there were massive content droughts in d1 they simply wouldn’t of made it!

[@turkizno]

Not only that but for the balkans the game is still full price, meaning those countries are paying 4x the amount for the same content as everybody else. Imagine you want to play a game but you have to buy 3 of your friends the same game, thats the price.

[@spikebeargrin1617]

Yeah, friend was telling me all about how he worked to unlock things on Destiny 2 and it was giving me flashbacks to another friend describing how he had only spent a couple of hundred to buy a $1k ship in star citizen...

[@FrostRend25]

12:00 this kind of mechanic can be convoluted but still good. For example, Dark souls weapon upgrades. In DS1, you have to have souls to upgrade a weapon, but you also need titanate shards. There are 4 levels of base titanate, but before you can go to each level, you have to give a blacksmith a coal. If you are going for base power/scaling, you need both the large and very large ember to give to Andre. If not, you have to find the specific ember you need and give it to the blacksmith who takes said ember. THEN there's the colored titanite... Anyway, the point is that convoluted systems aren't always bad, but usually gets bad ONLY through added content to a base game. A base game like Dark souls has convoluted systems, but is still easy for the player to navigate. D2 is impossible to navigate as a new player because content has been added specifically for max level characters for a long time. This also happens to a lot of MMORPGs.

[@thepiggstein]

I enjoyed Destiny and Destiny 2 back in the day; tried to get back into Destiny 2 and just got completely confused by all the different expansions for sale. No idea what I had already included in the 'base game', what old content was relevant, what gave me access to new classes, what the best (if any) bundles were to pick the content up. Logged back off again and uninstalled, felt too much like hard work just to shoot some aliens.

[@iinsomniaaaaa]

As someone who just got into it a month or two ago I had to read the reddit FAQ on what each purchase gets me and Google extensively to see what I needed. That willingness to research alone already sets me apart from most players so I'm in a very small minority of potential new players who will actually stick around. Bungie needs to change it.

[@MikkoSimila]

​​​@@iinsomniaaaaabungie should first stop deleting content from the game. 😂 everything from Vanilla game to 2018 expansion are gone. You can still buy them on steam, but they add nothing. There is no game to play. 😂 Free to play content in Destiny 2 is just Destiny 1 content. 😂 And every expansion you have bought gets deleted when new expansion comes in. So you can't even replay the game, because content is not there anymore. 😂 they scam you.

[@MikkoSimila]

​@@iinsomniaaaaanot to mention you have limited time to enjoy expansion before it get deleted. Because it gets deleted. 😂 like Forsaken DLC is not there anymore. You can buy it. But that campain and weapons and places regard to that campain are deleted.

[@DrMattHH]

​@@MikkoSimilaI started on Forsaken, the 1st explanation, and they had ALREADY deleted huge portions of the campaign. It's crazy that the game is still alive at all, much less still making money.

[@T0TALLYAWESOMEGUY]

Destiny 2 was one of my first XBox One games. I had a lot of fun with the first raids and liked using the currency to get the shaders from the store. It was MTX for cosmetics only back then. I don't remember buying a battle pass. Actually really sad to see the state of the game now. I loved guns like Sweet Business for questing and it's crazy to see them recycling old exotics as "new" content.

[@Nexuish]

Destiny 2’s monetization is less about micro transactions and more about dividing up content into seperate purchases to get more money out of a dedicated player vs buying them all together at one, slightly lower price but with 0 idea about the quality of the content.

[@TheAluvisify]

Yep, that's my biggest issue.

[@user-mv3qm4qh8l]

I loved playing Destiny 4-6 years ago on my Xbox One s Yes DLC's were a bit pricey, but I could still play stuff (also remember progression with power level) I recently logged alin and suddenly was at power level 1000+ (I was 304 when I last actively played)

[@ouroboros3055]

Add to that that new players won't know that buying the first two expansions (Shadowkeep and Forsaken) won't give you access to their campaigns since they are now vaulted to reduce game size.

[@headkicked]

I don't like the "it's only cosmetics" argument for micro transactions. Especially when the best customization options keep getting set aside and sold via in-game stores. Game fashion is a huge market. Devs and publishers know this. That's why they keep defending the "but at least its not pay to win! Amirite!" arguments. Slowly, the best customization options keep getting pay walled.

[@Castitalus]

Don't forget, they took what should have been raid cosmetics and put them in the cash shop in Shadowkeep.

[@gorebutt]

gone are the days you can show off a cosmetic you achieved by playing the game

[@erikwurgler]

I remember playing the Destiny 1 closed beta... I was hooked immediately! (Void Warlock since Day 0) I stopped playing last season as I saw the writing on the wall. Sad to see what's become of Destiny, a franchise with so much potential.

[@3zoozQ80]

Same even made a tribute vid for d1 . Stopped playing d2 sadly .

[@Gamma_Labs]

Same man. When I took a break during d2 I had to drop like $200 on dlc

[@castlesbard1547]

Right there with you.

[@FrogOf4Chan]

Fellow day 0 player and a voidlock as well, I'm finishing the final shape and I'm done with bungie after that. I've watched the lore over the years and loved the mystery at first, but after I applied skepticism I realized mystery wad a thinly veiled disguise for laziness and a lack of a coherent story with more plotholes than Swiss cheese. I played WoW for over a decade before I quit and destiny feels the exact same to me, its predatory and disgusting to see.

[@adamcrowl8845]

I remember playing the pve alpha and getting excited over playing in the beginning earth area and having 20 minutes of stuff to do lol

[@Andlekin]

I was very close to going all in on Destiny 2 since I missed the first game's train. I'm glad I didn't hop on the second time around.

[@LezArtist5iG]

8:41 In PoE you can't buy gear, items, or currency. You can't buy power. You can only buy stash tabs, to store loot or cosmetics.

[@MyNameIsSalo]

Those stash tabs save you a considerable amount of time, and enable trade with other players, both of which indirectly increase player power by a factor of like x10? It is an INSANE power advantage.

[@LezArtist5iG]

@@MyNameIsSalo Only the premium stash tabs, allow you to trade. Trading doesn't give you power. You need currency to trade. Which leads back to playing the game, to get power. You can't buy Stash Tabs, then trade for the best gear. Once you install the game, buy the stash tabs, you can't buy power to easily beat the game.

[@xXwadlieXx]

Love seeing an Aztecross video covered this widespread

[@Veritas_Vincit]

Watching the state of the VG industry slowly deteriorate is like watching the love of your life slowly rotting into a zombie. You keep hoping they'll recover and ever so often you see something that resembles what they once were and then it fails again.

[@gothmogthrac4457]

Plug in the old ps2 and play some Socom

[@senounatsuru6453]

This is why I'm mostly done with western devs. They might occasionally put out something good, and I hope for that, but if they're not indies, I stick to japanese devs. They still care about quality products, not endless monetization.

[@masonnasty8596]

As long as the zombie is Ed and I can go out in my shed and sort of play playstation with him

[@tylerpearson9754]

This was eloquently put

[@DSkulle1]

its wild to me that ea of all companies released a no nonsense no microtransaction single player game in 2023

[@davidknizhnik8588]

Honestly you can buy all the dlc’s you need with roughly 120$ if you wait for sales which come very often to epic and steam

[@SimonBreadLoaf999]

I actually love that they put a 15 second unskippable ad at 6:15 when they spoke about the ads being like twitch I fucking died laughing 😂 first time I enjoyed watching an ad lol

[@Aardcore]

how crazy is it that Bungie left Activision/Blizzard only to adopt a similar, if not downright identical business model, and take it to the nth level... I honestly never thought Bungie would ever resort to these sort of methods. This was probably the most heartbreaking react to sit through only because, much like Blizzard, Bungie was one of those companies I literally grew up with as far back as the original Marathon. We're talkin' some ground zero action here! Unbelievable...

[@Unchainedful]

Money corrupts, Bungie seen all that money Activision was making off of them and Bungie said they wanted ALL of the money. And now that they have Sony over them and allows them to not only continue their business practices, but also highly encourages them to do so. Times are changing, it’s simply the way how things are now.

[@turbocivic2012]

Asmongold having microtransaction overload at 40:55 is HILARIOUS 😂

[@smithereenss5840]

This is when I realized Asmon rocked a ponytail 😅

[@user-unknown1705]

gacha currency oftenly split into 5 type : paid-currency, gacha currency, upgrade currency, shop currency and mileage currency. Anymore is just a variation of those 5 to confuse the fuck out of players, sometime those main currency can also be fused as 1 type to use for both function or remain 5 seperate but branch out its functionality to other currency's

[@alexmiotke8016]

He had me at season pass payments. I have spent 70 each season for content and gotten all playable content, but at the purchasing the season pass thing I had to agree that it is ridiculous. That would be 100 dollars a season so 400 a year to purchase the whole pass

[@omniadoc]

The seasonal items (season 21) total will cost around 44k silver. The communal archived items will cost around 260k silver. The combined exotic cosmetics of each class (Hunter, Titan and Warlock) in the archived section is around 22k silver each, so 66k silver for all 3 classes. So if someone wanted to buy everything currently on the Eververse store with silver, it is roughly over 360,000 silver.

[@FelisImpurrator]

And how much is that in actual money?

[@omniadoc]

@@FelisImpurrator So if its around $10usd for 1,000 silver. so thats like $3,600 USD give or take.

[@FelisImpurrator]

@@omniadoc Man. That's nasty.

[@AETHEREALMINDS]

None of the stuff you can buy in the store has any effect on gameplay. I know Cross makes the argument that loot is the endgame so it’s “pay to win,” since loot is “winning” but the cosmetics you get from the store are aesthetic only. It’s ludicrous to say that d2 is pay to win. Unless you mean paying for the game itself, which is… most games? The real shit that you need, that you want, comes from playing the game. I don’t know why people are acting like micro transactions are brand new… every live service game has it, and a lot are much worse than this. Inclusion of season pass was just an optics shift. Before season passes, before the game was “free to play,” you’d simply buy the season, buy the content. You’d still get all the same shit, it was just dispersed through vendors and challenges and stuff. When the game went “free to play,” they introduced the season pass ladder. Same content, same price. But now instead of buying the season you’re buying the season pass. No difference in content. But the “season pass” has a much more negative imprint. They should’ve never gone free to play, because it isn’t really, and just confused things even more. The seasonal armor you get in Season of the Deep (by playing the game) is some of the best armor they’ve ever released in the game. I’m not even rank 100 yet (used to get there in a week or two) after a month and a half of the Season. But I’ll still get the coolest armor by playing a few hours a week. Barely a grind.

[@omniadoc]

@@AETHEREALMINDS I know its all cosmetic and it has no impact on game play and you dont need to spend a single dime in it. I haven't. But the point is that Bungie is putting a most of their effort or time on the store instead of elsewhere. And lastly, I just rough calculated the store total just for information. No one is going to buy everything from the store.

[@Fr3sh_117]

Aztecross has been my destiny guy forever. His contact is always great. Still watching him and haven’t played destiny in 4 years

[@TheSplicedBread]

I'm with you there. Pattycake comes number 2 for me

[@Kenji-117]

I stopped playing at the end of S19 (which was really great and reason why I wanted to finish it) and i also still watch him and some other creators just because they are great creators. Destinys content creators im general are really great. Aztecross, Wallah, Datto, Fallout, etc. These guys saved the game many times for me actually.

[@svendtang5432]

I started back in the time and the “main” story was so confusing after 5-8 mission and I did not know what to do next.. but saw that I could buy extra content .. I quit not because of I was required to pay but if the confusion continued why would I?

[@KingGameReview]

I put almost 2,000 hours into Destiny 1 and did all the content multiple times at the hardest difficulty. I put a couple hundred hours into Destiny 2 at the beginning before falling off. I tried coming back multiple times, and every time I come back everything has been changed so much, and it's so needlessly complicated that I have no idea what the heck's going on, so I just gave up.

[@jimbodii8958]

One thing I learned from playing online games. Don't get too attached to your account and Don't spend too much money on an online game that can be gone in a year or two. Live-service, mmos, or any game tied to a server to play is where you should always draw a line.

[@tophatsntales]

yup. any game thats a service. thats always online or something like that? i try not to get too invested in it. cause one day itll just be gone and you can never play it again.

[@298cole]

It all goes back to the gdc interview for me. It was the tipping point and really clued me in too their motives and where the mindset is at bng. That was there story sure…but that’s also them telling you they are setting the new norm. And thats them telling all other devs get less is more and it’s working for us 10 fold.

[@victormonte5881]

Till yhey stsrted getting bad review and less sales

[@snatchadams69]

I tried to get into this around the holiday season last year as a way to step away from Apex I picked Apex back up 2wks later...

[@frankralph6247]

It’s so sad because I absolutely loved destiny one and I love the grind I had almost all the exotics. It was one of my favorite games and to see it turn into this makes me so sad.😢

[@mikepartridge6396]

am i the only one that thinks paid for cosmetics ruined games? the thing i most enjoyed about games like destiny was getting the rare and hard to get shaders and cosmetics. theres no point now with 99% of games on the market, you can't show off your achievements, you're just showing off your pocketbook.

[@fredxu99]

I bemoaned this years ago and was met with the response "but the devs have to fund the game". Now look at where we're at, spend $30 for a dev-designed outfit to stand out from the crowd and people complain that there's nothing to grind for anymore cosmetically... yayyyy.

[@linguotgr]

You aren’t alone. “It’s just cosmetic” was always a bad argument, because cosmetics are an important part of games. I would argue just as important as gameplay. I mean people would be pissed if something like playing a female character or a black character was locked behind a paywall, but strictly speaking that’s just cosmetic. Digital self-expression is important (note: I’m not saying playing as a pre-designed character is bad, or less than a customized character). Cosmetics, are important. If they weren’t, people wouldn’t spend so much on them.

[@frank-b6169]

Nothing but facts

[@Jagtress]

As a Destiny player, it's wild that you are actually reacting to Aztecross' video. What a timeline we live in right now... Anyways, that said, I've been playing for years and frankly, I'm super sick of what Destiny 2 has become.

[@RlVlN]

@@xLamont_ Playing the game at the base level from the beginning by just buying the expansion pass is not being a part of the problem. The problem is being a new player and trying to get into the game is very very costly because if you're an avid Destiny player than every expansion is like a yearly subscription that has gotten pricier but that's the only thing you have to buy for the year. Someone becomes part of the problem if they buy the whole season pass to lvl 100 instead of just playing like normal or if you often buy the stupid bundles from the store and not just use bright dust when you can. Oh yeah and those worthless event passes

[@christopherhenderson2995]

same here. been here since D1 beta and its just feels like a mobile game now

[@evilpizza2249]

remembers me a bit of conquerors blade sadly ... way to many things to pay on a regular basis ... spent way to much money in it befor deciding thats it's too much.

[@rproctor83]

IMHO they add sponsorships so games kind of like Nascar. When you play the game you get some armor with a with a sponsor logo, or your in a room and one of the tables has a pepsi on it, or whatever. Then every month sponsors put in for new placements and the textures change. Players can be advertised to this way, and advertising would carry over streams and online video where as normally that would never be included beyond the initial medium.

[@johnmoore1495]

Imagining John Wick running around Fortnite with his suit covered in Pepsi and Home Depot decals sounds hilarious and feels like peak dystopian capitalism.

[@bumponalog5001]

As an avid Destiny fan, thank you for spreading this message to a bigger audience. Cross deserves all the praise, and maybe this nonsense getting exposed out into a more general gaming audience will force Bungie to respond...maybe.

[@hyez3671]

P and

[@Fefnefef]

who cares anymore. if people had an ounce of integrity they would abandon bungie regardless of any "acknowledgement" at this point. can get stabbed in the back only so many times before having to admit that they are purely acquisitive

[@hhaste]

@@Fefnefef That's the incorrect mentality to have. Why just abandon something, if you still enjoy it? Just abandoning it won't solve anything, it'll just make the entire game we all enjoy disappear. We just need to not purchase anything, until they fix it. The problem is, these addicts won't stop buying stuff.

[@Ioganstone]

@@Fefnefef -fill their coffers so I can get Marathon- They are fixing everything as we speak. Just be happy you can still login for free. The excitement and satisfaction just from logging in is great on its own.

[@saints5470]

I really hope that since this is reaching beyond the Destiny community, that a conversation can really start about this. Lets hope.

[@petervalvo1186]

Bungie isn't interested in having a conversation, doesn't matter how much people complain. We can only make a statement by not spending $, but people are terrible about not spending $ on games so it's never going to happen lol

[@gerardddd]

​@@petervalvo1186Bungie is too busy being woke

[@J3wFro69]

​@@gerarddddno they're too busy making money don't be stupid lol

[@torao8821]

@@petervalvo1186 the people complaining aren't the people that're buying up bungie's stuff, so bungie doesn't care lol. Only thing that'll get them to stop if the whales stop buying

[@mattcubed9658]

@@gerardddd Can you morons stop using buzzwords incorrectly lmao

[@firenitros2043]

It took me a couple of weeks to figure out how things worked. Until a friend guide me to understand things

[@Matt-jc9nn]

As someone who no lifed destiny one and the first few dlcs of destiny 2 I don’t even know if I can come back I tried downloading a year back and I was lost it almost like a entirely different game

[@merrilly-]

As a destiny slave, I'm so happy to see asmon reacting to cross, it's a gift from the heavens

[@115DELDE]

just stop playing Destiny man, its not worth it.

[@largestbigman5267]

@@115DELDEI have to see the end man

[@sneaklone_]

@@115DELDEno other game has raids/dungeons in an FPS format sadly. If another game does those specifically I’ll consider quitting.

[@bankruptjojo5009]

Played a little D2 but was big on D1. Destiny 1 got me back into gaming. Very sad to see what its become. Think about going back from time to time but not anymore 😢

[@creepsus24]

this thing started on year 3 but wasn't this bad. Y2 of D2 was the best one in entire destiny era

[@ravagerxiii5488]

Same.

[@Lelldorin84]

"Wallets open Guardians!"

[@toradoraification]

I'm posting this at 24:57, so maybe it's covered. A huge problem for me with locking all cosmetics behind a paywall is that fomo is also used. If I join a game 3 years after release, I have to shell out money and look at the 1000 items I'll never be able to get.

[@derrickkinney5399]

You can always go and get your money back

[@liceterminator]

The tilting point for me was the introduction of paying for transeweave materials for your transmog you earn in game. Each class is capped at 10 to earn per season, after you use your 10 (split between helm, gauntlets, chest, legs, and class item) you have to purchase the material to unlock your in-game earned armor to transmog. Blows my mind.

[@howdoyouevenknow6526]

Yea this is fucked another reason why I stopped playing literally the only game to charge the player money for fucking transmog is unreal

[@TheOneSivalus]

sunsetting planets was it for me, taking away content we payed for

[@Weeb32460]

@@TheOneSivalusbUt nObOdy pLaYS iT!!

[@niccoSun]

I'm glad people are starting to realize this. You have to literally spend 80-100$ every single expansion if you want to play all the content. Expansion: 40$ Dungeon key: 20$ Each season battlepass: 10$ x 4 (There are 4 per expansion I believe. Which you need buy if you want to play the seasonal activity) I'm honestly surprised you don't have to pay for a raid key considering they lock everything else behind a paywall. You're nearly buying two games with each expansion.

[@Fenixfiress]

wouldn't be surprised to see them come up with a raid key tbh

[@CarterWills1]

In the future you will have to pay for raid keys.

[@george2586]

the endingg. lmaoooo

[@cmortonwvu]

I dont have an issue with the convenience purchase to keep up a bit. Thats for people that work all week and only have an hour or two to play at night and/or mainly just their 2 days off.