Destiny 2 Lore - Saladin's new belief in Crow. Also... Can Guardians have kids?

[@beninmalgaard9836]

I know we all laughed when we heard Crow roast Saladin during Chosen, but you gotta feel bad for the man after all that he's been through.

[@garrettviewegh677]

Yeah, that was before he learned the truth. Now knowing who he was, what he did, and being around better influences, Crow may be a more mature, independent, confident, less naive guardian/hunter next time we see him.

[@adarshkamoda9183]

When we thought Saladin was roasted by Crow when in reality, Saladin was just holding back.

[@xrstevenson]

@@adarshkamoda9183 Saladin fans knew exactly what he was doing: Holding back. Elders can always roast the youngsters, they're sometimes just choose not to

[@loserinasuit7880]

@@xrstevenson Based on the lore tab for the titan chest piece Saladin wasn't gonna roast him but instead literally beat the shit out of him. But out of respect for what happened in the shore he holds back

[@FireStorm_117]

Saladin’s lived a long, hard life. I hope him and Crow get along eventually.

[@JamesZ32100]

If he and Zavala can get along, I'm sure he can get along with Crow, it's just a matter of time

[@krogann7197]

As a titan main. I would love to get Saladin's cape.

[@eliaspanayi3465]

No capes! Unless you're a hunter

[@donovanmaravillas8674]

You already have a cape... It's around your waist 😃

[@dredgenrur3190]

As another titan main, fuck the cape, I mean, it would be cool, but fuck it, give me saladin's armor, or something close to it as the titan's IB set instead of the nonesense that we've been getting.

[@kfclover811]

You want capes? Join the Hunter master race. Join us brother

[@theoldworldwarrior451]

Dude same. I want the whole fit

[@TheCraftyMithrax]

Never thought I would see a byf video with part of the title being “can guardians have kids?”

[@innocentbystander3317]

NGL, always wondered what would happen if two paracausal beings were to breed.

[@Khlos]

@@innocentbystander3317 does the helmet stay on tho?

[@Alpha.Phenix]

@@Khlos Always on

[@KlNGkhaled]

I am a titan i would like a hunter wifu

[@aztumtheknightofwumbo7060]

He's had his eyes glued to too many fanfics.

[@danblackmoremusic9943]

“We weren’t continuously killed before we found safety...” I mean...depends on how good you were at the game during that very first mission...

[@Crackdoza_lol]

*D1 vets agree*

[@eliasraine8726]

I don't recall dying once during it, which means its possible that our Guardian just kind of breezed through his or her awakening

[@xrstevenson]

@@eliasraine8726 that's up to interpretation sure but Saladin and many others during the dark age were killed mercilessly for decades before finding genuine safety. Not a place to have one's back on the wall with a gun in one's hand, not a place where one could take turns staying away and sleeping to regain some strength. But a place where one can actually put down one's weapons, rest one's armor and sleep knowing that nothing will happen to them for the next 8 hours

[@elitedonut1089]

@@xrstevenson "Watches one byf video".

[@bubba-joe07]

I didn’t die my friend died like 25+ times

[@lukebarroso449]

I've often wondered if guardians could have children, but I guess this answers that question.

[@ErkanZH]

but why 😂 we got revived without Penis or what?!?!

[@lukebarroso449]

@@ErkanZH nah bro we just sterile

[@JoshB_TheTower]

Now the question remains... If a woman was pregnant when they died... And get revived by a ghost... Are they still pregnant?

[@lukebarroso449]

@@JoshB_TheTower I'm not really sure

[@user-ts2ny8jg9d]

@@JoshB_TheTower doubt it

[@ducksruleflorida4882]

We need a “Read the f*cking lore” emote in Destiny

[@MLGLionKnight]

I would pay of a emote like that

[@silverthekitsune7007]

Agreed

[@exodosthesoulbanish]

There's an opposite to that which I got recently. It's sliding books off of a table and stomping on them. Of course I put it on my titan.

[@DiscardedEmber]

Ther is one. The guardian opens a book and pokes o page violently

[@Cpt_John_Price]

*fucking

[@Nightblade2134]

“Can guardians have kids?” -Fanfics authors

[@Razor-gx2dq]

I have happened to come across such literature roaming to the internet. Some of the stories at least what I could infer by the titles seem strange.

[@leek.3671]

Heh heh heh heh

[@thisissarcasm9579]

"No" -Me, a Lore Addicted Fanfic Author

[@leek.3671]

@@thisissarcasm9579 one of us! One of us!!

[@krisblaise8580]

Looking submissive and breedable today Guardian keep it up

[@GhostRydr1172]

Somehow, I always assumed this about Risen in general: that they were similar to Highlander's immortals in being sterile. A price to be paid in exchange for the prize earned in their virtual immortality. Practical and sensible at the same time, since the Traveler raised them as weapons on its behalf instead of future patriarchs or matriarchs.

[@mikethehunter5212]

Destiny actually has a good amount of adopted child stories within it. Personally, I've always leaned more toward nurture in the nature vs. nurture debate anyway. But I might also might be biased, since I was raised by both of my birth parents. I still ship Crow with Amanda :), even if they may not be able to have children

[@joelrobinson5457]

@@mikethehunter5212 even with guardians and all can awoken even have kids with other humans

[@mikethehunter5212]

@@joelrobinson5457 I want to say the Awoken became sterile altogether, but I can't remember.

[@albertozalon8477]

@@joelrobinson5457 yes

[@JHS270694]

I _really_ like Saladin. His brutal honesty, simplicity and pure heartedness exudes authenticity, literally the opposite of Savathun in a way. He reminds me of my late grandmother in idiosyncracy; the sort of oddball hard-arse with a heart of gold, a certain type of naivety and idealism wrapped inside, encased with an armour of jaded pessimism on the out. A lot of my immediate family is like this tbh, disappointed with the world, cynical, but we still dare to hope.

[@jrob4795]

You just described 99% of humanity.

[@yannicreicher6811]

Saladin is a good man. Battle hardened and superstitious, yes, but he's a good man nonetheless. He has lived through countless lives, and just as many deaths, but in spite of it all, the scars of war and death, all he wants is the best for Humanity, the City, and the Guardian orders his example helped found.

[@loki43]

He's a coward who hid during the red war lol

[@Super_Citizen_Paimon]

@@loki43 I forgot all about that little factoid Lmao

[@dorfinator0723]

@@loki43 didn't he protect people and bring them to felines peak?

[@grzegorzflorek5623]

@@dorfinator0723 He did. And while being lightless, he fought off both Devils and Cabal.

[@Ae_Dan_HD]

@@loki43 When did you join our ranks? Before, during, or after the Red War?

[@titanumlegends0330]

That helmet reading. I've never thought about how traumatizing it would be to die and revived by a ghost for the first few times.

[@PrezidentSkroob]

Well, think about it. Here you are, conscious and aware of your surroundings but have no memory, a tabula rasa, and you're being told by this orb like thing to get to safety; then it happens... You suffer your first and very painful death only for the same orb that told you to keep moving suddenly reviving you and fully healing you but you still remember the death. Now, rinse and repeat numerous times and that's the life of a newly Risen (ones whom haven't fully unlocked their latent potential to become, at first, marauders and militant "leaders" with non-lightbearers under their "wing"). The Dark Age after the Collapse was hell on earth for centuries until the Lightless and Risen made their way to where the Gardener (The Traveler, The Great Machine, The Sky) was resting, dormant, after its sacrifice to create the orbs which call themselves Ghosts. The rest? Well you know how the City Age is so that's where we are now in Destiny's story. That's my hot take on the story of the early years of the Destiny universe post-Collapse.

[@ZhaneX24]

With Saladin having taken up the role of the Tower's liaison to the Cabal, and Crow having been reassigned to that same duty, I'm very hopeful we'll get to see more of the two's relationship in the coming days going forward.

[@Awoken_Remmuz]

Honestly happy to see Saladin showing that he's starting to warm up from is grumpy old self, not only looking ready to step up as Crow new mentor but also learning to have a bit of a more open hand towards old hostile races.

[@iponce2]

"Can guardians have kids?" IVE BEEN WONDERING FOR YEARS.

[@Yibkers]

I know right?!

[@lordsaladman9819]

I've always wondered what happened to guardians who would be parents and if they would co parent with their ghost or if the ghost urged them to focus more on guardian duties instead of parenthood

[@yewawtmayt2805]

Imagine two titan mains procreating... Little crayon eating ham fists waddling around, vile 😫

[@kaji5637]

I've wondered this since the start of my journey in the first destiny but the answer to the question will finally be revealed

[@8-bitato]

@@yewawtmayt2805 I don't eat crayons I main titan bc it's my only class that has decent gear :(

[@scottmccrea1873]

Perhaps the changes that create guardians are, in part, genetic. Guardian children might well inherit some or all of their abilities. This would create a ruling class bifurcating (or is it BYFurcating?) Humanity into two halves forever unequal. Something that Traveler would want to avoid. Also the fact that there aren't guardian spawn running around - and are never mentioned - is also a pretty big clue that guardians are sterile.

[@loserinasuit7880]

Well not really guardians are still human. Our bodies physically die that most likely makes us sterile and is what causes our loss of memory. But I highly doubt there is any tampering on a genetic level. It's most likely all cellular regeneration. Or in the case of a destroyed body simply reconstructing it to the letter from atoms.

[@scottmccrea1873]

@@loserinasuit7880 it's a six of one/half a dozen of the other situation. Guardians having kids would fundamentally change society. It would mean as years went on more and more guardians would be human [instead of exo & awoken cuz awoken can't have kids like normal humans]. The ramifications of that alone would be huge. Are you a Babylon 5 fan? With guardians having kids something like the Psicorps would come into being. Guardians would be a ruling caste even more so than they are now. After all hard not to notice that the Vsnguard pays lip service at best to the Conensus

[@loserinasuit7880]

@@scottmccrea1873 No because we have 0 evidence that the traveler's light passes on genetically. The person needs to have died first and prematurely. If you had a kid then it wouldn't just be an automatic guardian. Idk where you got that assumption.

[@scottmccrea1873]

@@loserinasuit7880 you misread my post. No such assu,pion made.

[@loserinasuit7880]

@@scottmccrea1873 Guardians already fundamentally changed things. The city was created in that change. Idk what you're getting at specifically.

[@-Telesto-]

lore daddy out here answering the most important Destiny questions

[@shadowNooob]

You broke the game again, apparently

[@tthe0ne413]

I thought you were offline

[@RoniCarter12]

Well look who it is...heard raiju gave you a run for your money

[@zooblv4421]

stop breaking that damn game ong

[@f2t948]

Love you telesto never change plz

[@teatarou]

“Can guardians have kids?” It’s 4am but I need to know, I NEED TO KNOW

[@drakeyantis4426]

"I don't need sleep, I need ANSWERS"

[@trololopez2437]

*me, an exo* Yes I must know as well

[@xlQueenOfCrowslx]

Hehe SAAMEEEE

[@3eyedmotherfucker953]

@@trololopez2437 i mean, if the exo are able to eat they might as well be able to fuck idk

[@siddiq069]

@@3eyedmotherfucker953 wait exo can eat?

[@sal_monella]

Fun fact: Nur-Sultan directly translates to “Light of the Sultan”

[@elitegamer9310]

Ironic...

[@skoogadoo]

Hey, i get it!

[@zoneanomaly4780]

I have always had a deep respect for Saladin. I'm really glad they're fleshing him out so much more.

[@icicle_ai]

"Little guardians" seeing a toddler sneeze out a nova bomb would be horrifying

[@sovietnomad6651]

hilarious. but horrifying

[@salamanda550]

I love the fleshing out of Saladin as a man with a lot of history behind him that haunts him, and his develpment in learning to trust crow. Genuinely teared up a few times reading these lore tabs, getting to see him as a conflcted, ptsd riddled old man, instead of the valliant, hot-headed Iron Lord. Also, I read the "You can't have a son" in the same ways, yeah. Either Saladin (and guardians) realise that they *shouldn't*, but still can, technically...or, they're all sterile, as a result of the Light's influence on their bodies...or, the specific thing that Saladin can't, because of an issue or a moral code he keeps.

[@BarelyBlairBear]

I feel like due to being dead for who knows how long before being found by a ghost would be a pretty big factor. Does every single organ/cell/bone/etc become brand new and functional again when rezzed? Do pre-existing conditions become erased, like a lost limb from birth or epilepsy? We know the benefits from being brought back with immortality, superpowers, and so on. Curious what the full scope of negatives are too for guardians.

[@salamanda550]

@@BarelyBlairBear "Congratulations, you're immortal" "Cool" "Unfortunately, you've still got asthma" "Oh"

[@H240909]

It’s weird, that jab about the Red War from Crow seemed so funny back in the Season of the Chosen. Now all I can think about is that Crow REALLY owes Saladin an apology... and Petra... and Osiris (sort of). Actually, now that I think about it, Crow has a bad habit of running his mouth about things he doesn’t have any experience in.

[@ginghinaandrei5013]

Perhaps.

[@BigManDaichi]

I've been saying it SINCE SotC. It's part of the reason I still don't like Crow; he said tons of mean shit to people without ever saying sorry, like how he brought up Sagira's death to win an argument with Osusris.

[@H240909]

@@BigManDaichi That’s true but I’m giving him the benefit of a doubt since Crow is technically only 3 years old as of now.

[@BarelyBlairBear]

To be fair, Crow has had nothing but people lashing out at him for his past without him knowing anything of their reasonings since being rezzed. So when he similarly lashes out at others, he doesn't understand he's being a dick, especially since he's only a toddler in mentality technically.

[@headcrab1799]

that's hunters for you I suppose

[@mengelos]

Bungie had a good story about the last word and the golden gun. How about one about the daybreak sword? It would probably do something to bringing more interest to warlocks.

[@lastwymsi]

I would love lore for all the summond weapons used by guardians. Like Sentinel shields, arc staffs, spectral blades, the buring maul, the s w o r d, etc.

[@Memnto_Morii]

That's such a good idea, I'd love to read or hear about how a warlock first forged the daybreak sword. Maybe in a war? Or battle that's being lost and it becomes a beacon of hope

[@jamesshelton308]

A lot of the subclasses do have interesting lore. I remember seeing them when unlocking the subclasses back in year 1. Like how the first striker titan resurrected with no weapons around and so decided to just use here firsts, creating the Fists of Havoc super. Also, cool story about how Lady Efrideet jumped from the top of a damn or something and 1-shot a walker with Fists of Havoc.

[@lastwymsi]

@@jamesshelton308 Those lore bits are still in D2 I believe, in the lore tabs for the subclass menus. Theres lore behind the Sunbreaker's hammer, but not the flaming maul. The lore for Sentinels is just *"I am become Wall"*

[@Flamme-Sanabi]

If every super can have lore on why it exists, can every guardian make a super?

[@Abyss125808]

This is definitely interesting and good to see Saladin coming around, but I'd also like to take a moment to say that dialogue between crow and Amanda where crow asks her to get a drink wasn't wrong! In chosen it was just out of the blue sounding like he was asking for a date, but to see later they actual did is a very fun piece of lore

[@JeremyTheBreadKnife]

Guardians having family's would be sad and also pretty interesting.The family would be mortal sadly of course but would also have the ability to wield the light maybe?And they'd also be able to talk to like there great great grandad and be like hey gramps to the guardian who had kids.

[@wolfemperor_n112]

Well remember guardians would have to die first and even then they’d have to chosen by a ghost.

[@Flamme-Sanabi]

I think not that you can birth someone who can control the light.

[@Ceraphid]

They wouldn't be able to channel the light, that ability is thanks to our ghost, unlike how we can control the darkness naturally, albeit thanks to the attunement we reached over being paracausal since rebirth, maybe they would have small abilities like how mere thoughts for guardians make a rupture in the fabric of the universe, but they wouldn't be able to wield the light

[@wolfemperor_n112]

@@Ceraphid very well put

[@adarshkamoda9183]

@@Ceraphid Basically, no Light or Darkness but the kids would have some degree of paracausality about them, just like the Awoken do.

[@Spike2276]

I've always considered that guardians would be infertile given that they are, well... dead That's a weird thing to think about, but with how the lore (particularly D1's "Legend: Black Garden") presents the origin of guardians: we are dead things, it stands to reason we cannot bring new life to the world

[@skepticalmagos_101]

Also.... is the hardware functioning. In a medical sense?

[@Phoenix-vf4nd]

@@skepticalmagos_101 here a link to a discussion on that topic kzbin.info/www/bejne/qIDPiHhplJuprpI

[@commiedog1042]

Flashbacks to certain fucker calling me a dead thing

[@GT-wj3gl]

@@skepticalmagos_101 From what I understand Guardians can still have sex. But I guess they can't have children.

[@mikethehunter5212]

This is getting weird... We're not "dead", we're "undead". We can still die of things such as suffocation and hunger (Drifter's fear). I imagine sexual organs are fully functional, but eggs and sperm are probably gone.

[@IamthNight]

Amazing how real the lore can make the game. I wish I could hug Saladin in those moments of fear, uncertainty. I'll never look at Saladin the same.

[@Rebecca_Violet]

Did this armor set drop back in Season of the Chosen? It would've made made the story so much more dynamic and interesting. I'm very annoyed that Crow's abuse at the hands of other Guardians but especially that of Spider has been largely ignored. Shouldn't the Vanguard be concerned about someone abducting New Lights and enslaving them? What's to stop Caiatl from doing that? Or the Reef since Petra threatened to return Crow to Spider. Lord Saladin is the first character aside from the player to show righteous anger over Crow's abuse. If he'd known sooner, Lord Saladin probably would've tried to rescue Crow. I really hope these two interact more in the near future.

[@JKeemTV]

Crow is probably more of an outlier in this tho, if it were any other new light, when other guardians had found them then they probably would've been brought right back to the tower, but considering that people were seeing the face of Uldren Sov who brought destruction to many major players in the galaxy, he was abandoned.

[@BlitzStorm]

Not to my knowledge, this is season 15 armor. But good points about new light abduction.

[@LegiamasC-OnTwitta]

The baby question is one I have had many debates about, I hope to get some new insight or just a new perspective from this one.

[@rjfx4693]

Getting off a long shift at work just as a byf video launches, that’s what I like to see.

[@reavershank8985]

Unrelated to the video but the Warlock armor at 0:25 looks so good. I miss D1 armor

[@Underpowered3719]

thats a brutal finisher move... literally sending someone in to the shadow realm...

[@joshuatheargonaut4412]

I think it’s sometimes hard for us to wrap our minds around just how long some of these characters have been alive. What they must’ve of seen and experienced. Especially characters like Saladin.

[@beitrix]

I have asked myself this question several times, I'm so glad to finally see a video on wether guardians can have kids or not

[@siphonicstorm7191]

I always loved Lord Saladin. I can understand his beliefs on all the stuff that happened. Plus I loved Howland Saladin eventually came to accept Crow as a student. Also learning about Saladin's past is very interesting. Also I always figured Guardians could have children. At least Awoken and Human Guardians could. I would love to read lore and stories about Guardians that had children.

[@garrettviewegh677]

I feel the only real hurdle to Crow and Saladin becoming close friends as a mentor and student, is the fact that Crow remembers his past life now, and he did unforgivable things as Uldren Sov. Knowing who you used to be before becoming a Guardian is something Saladin hasn’t experienced and probably can’t relate to, he would probably do all he could to comfort Crow somehow. But, considering how deeply Saladin cares about honesty, loyalty and integrity, he may appreciate Crow for sharing such sensitive knowledge. After all, Crow’s past life isn’t much of a secret.

[@joelrobinson5457]

That being said, surely not all the cities exo's are thousands of years old?

[@trickytreyperfected1482]

5:24 there's actually a Sleeper Simulant ornament called Baikonur.

[@MyNameMojo]

Got the fucking writing is amazing. The way bungie has built the world over the past 7 years is amazing. I know they can’t include all of this in cutscenes but I just wish there was a way they could include more of the story in the game. Honestly they just need to pay byf so they can put all of these lore readings in the game

[@VincentTroino]

Crow is one of my current favorite characters in the game and it makes me happy that someone has faith in him. He's been done dirty and I can't wait to see him truly redeemed.

[@garrettviewegh677]

In a few years, Crow may become more than Uldren ever was, no longer being subservient to anyone that may limit his potential and would want to force a pre determined destiny for him. He may become a knowledgeable, more mature, independent Hunter. Maybe he will go as far as to adopt the grey mindset of wielding light and dark? Crow seems to not be quite as reserved as the Vanguard. He doesn’t seem to have quite have the same binary views. He may yet become the new Hunter Vanguard, a force that even Mara and Petra may grow to respect and fear. I’m looking forward to how his story unfolds.

[@MrCompenso]

Man, the lore hits me in the feels every time! I love the way you read it, thank you!

[@hellboy1000000000000]

When Byf said 'Little Guardians' did anyone else imagine a bunch of 5 year old with armor and guns?

[@nicholasjuliano2839]

Oh good job son you killed your first god, now go take his skin and make it into a gun.

[@Nadiki]

I can imagine a little titan eating his first crayons and his titan parents being so proud

[@Volend_]

Maybe Amanda and the Eliksne can work together to finally give us sparrows with guns

[@BlitzStorm]

Gime me mini-pikes, Bungo. Sparrow demolition derby.

[@Volend_]

@@BlitzStorm I was extremely disappointed we didn't get pikes as sparrows, idc if they couldn't shoot. Made sense for the season of the Splicer. We got a Fallen ship! Why not a sparrow!

[@ShadowGhost1901]

Ight ima need to see drunk Crow and Amanda singing Party in the USA

[@justinworkman5482]

The last of humanity seems far more important than already when you think of mankind's continued existence hinging on those who havent been touched by the Light beyond death.

[@anthonyfanchin1144]

As Saladin once said “My watch is eternal.”

[@Blackhart-7]

I love the fact you either use lore relevant weapons in the background footage or you use guns that people don't use as often \o/

[@paulreilly2201]

Hands down my favourite channel My face lights up every time there is a new video

[@zackl4833]

holy shit the class item lore is so wholesome, that shit just warmed my heart

[@Eyes_of_Oryx]

I just clicked because of the “can guardians have kids?”

[@personbadatgames]

Same

[@tacarat]

Can the kids become guardians?

[@ItzHope1412]

@@tacarat Shin did, so yes, obviously.

[@xlQueenOfCrowslx]

Same!!

[@Shmoa7160]

@@ItzHope1412 shin died tho

[@ArtNoctowl]

I always assumed the lightbearers were sterile considering there is no lore of guardians having children. I think this is a way for Bungie to confirm this point.

[@ExplosiveBagel]

Honestly, before I watch this video, Saladin is such a misunderstood character..Guardians NEED to be aware of his past before they judge him, I feel for him deeply. I too would be drained of the never-ending war against the Darkness after losing everyone close to me.

[@ZeroAxle]

We need the spotlight in future seasons to be on Shaxx, hell I wouldn’t mind if they threw in Saladin as well

[@laghymclagherson3487]

It would be interesting if bungie added lore of a guardian having adopted kids or kid it’s at least interesting to think about

[@ospreyslender8931]

The tower is feeling much more like present day after all these interactions between Crow and Saladin, the anexxation of the Elksni from the House of Light to the Tower's populace. Its beautiful and enlightening to see Destiny's story development

[@K4lkk15]

I started playing Destiny again in the end of season 14. At the same time I started watching lore videos since I stopped. Today is the day! I am finally caught up after 3 months!

[@HowardVangorder]

Been waiting for this day I always wanted others to weigh in on the guardian kids thing

[@mwplumbing]

Finally the question we've all been waiting for can gaurdians have little sh*ts

[@fyrfly8768]

Now if only Saladin could remember that we are also an Iron Lord.

[@aces5thalternateaccount464]

True

[@zooblv4421]

lore daddy the only 1 im checking for lore fr. greetings from France 🇫🇷

[@orangeisabadcolor]

Fr fr I’m look forward to ever new Byf video

[@horus5837]

Having the ability to make children brings a ton of down sides, from female guardians being pregnant (9months out of battle) to sorrow after outliving your own family or even abandoning the traveler to live simple life far from constant war

[@starlightthewolf6612]

Even if Guardians could get pregnant, how would is work? If they die do their child get ressurrected too? Or are Guardians always brought to the state they were in during their first resurrection, riding the child from existence? Bungie saying they can't is an easy way to doge these questions

[@horus5837]

@@starlightthewolf6612 from what i know ghost cant ressurect ppl that they dont have conection with, so child as seperate being would die. On the other hand we dont know much about ressurection in light and how having ghost works, only possible fertile guardian is Shin cause he was chosen while still alive and that makes him special in that case.

[@Ceraphid]

@@horus5837 he actually died soon after his birth, a ghost rezed him, but that ghost died afterwards, hence why his 3rd father's ghost could make connect with him and feel the light in him, it's cause he was a ghostless guardian ever since his died

[@horus5837]

@@Ceraphid i heard about that story but only confirmation that we have, is the writer saying that this ghost story was written with Shin in mind. So i dont know if something said by writer outside of the game can be canon

[@zzzlandooo]

24:07 "Little Guardians" "Ma get Bungie on the phone! I've got a demand for them!"

[@xXxAngryBird101xXx]

Cant wait for Byf to talk about…THE HEADLESS ONES!!!!

[@hjw2029]

Byf AND Pecos Hank have uploads. Today's a goldmine

[@Seekr237]

Thanks to this season I learned that Saladin's last name is Forge. Only knew him as Lord Saladin. Lord may as well be his first name to me.

[@MyAnthony555]

I've been waiting years for this video.

[@deanb5912]

I also like the one lore bit about Amanda helping the Eliksni just to be nice, and Mithrax is like "wtf you don't have light? You are baller AF dude."

[@Bowzer_Kell_Of_Koopas]

I was so excited when I read the Warlock bond, knowing that Saladin will eventually become something like a mentor to Crow. Another step in Crow's journey in becoming the Hunter Vanguard.

[@archmagetyler]

Myelin games covered the second half of this. Bungies confirmed way back in d1 (admittedly outside the game even lore) that guardians can’t reproduce

[@2010Hunt3r]

Ahh the return to Holtz's question of "Do Guardians have Junk and does it work?"

[@Spike2276]

Do Exo have junk tho? Like, even mortal ones

[@azurius4507]

@@Spike2276 They do, they need all human organs so they don't go insane (With the exception of Ada-1 IIRC)

[@Spike2276]

@@azurius4507 their body needs to simulate stimulus, not necessarily be funcional, although some form of racial multiplication must have come as a consideration to Clovis Bray. If only for his lineage, he would have found a way to create daughters for them

[@michaelcunningham2111]

@@Spike2276 what if hes got our dna on record? Could we just combine a male and females exo dna to form a child in the deep stone crypt with Clovis help?

[@ruex1234]

I really enjoyed this deep dive into saladins back story.

[@kagekitsune98_56]

Perhaps they can have children, but they choose not to, since guardians are immortal, and watching your own child die before you, would be something devestating

[@mrcrowley8889]

My guess is , the whole being dead for a long time before ghosts . All genetic material like sperm and eggs were dust long before they came around . We could be all sterile 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@mrcrowley8889]

Or I could be wrong and the sperm was stored in our bones ....somehow

[@kagekitsune98_56]

@@mrcrowley8889 nahh

[@kagekitsune98_56]

@@mrcrowley8889 perhaps, but this aint The Witcher, so you never know

[@cry1pticzer773]

@@kagekitsune98_56 depends on the guardian, maybe if they are resurrected immediately their systems might still work

[@discountdisco2273]

Salad Bin and his past aside, did Zavala fucking smile at him. Zavala? Smile? I... I need to lie down for a bit.

[@Exsol300]

I'm glad Saladin remembers.. Pepperidge Farm remembers too.

[@Blindluck92]

My friend and I kinda figured this out back when House of Wolves was still new. They even brought it up again when Rise of Iron was released: "Sepiks Perfected? So the Eliksni would abandon the cradle to rob the grave? Like Guardians?"

[@dogwithsunglasses4051]

To be honest, the bigger question for me would be, if guardians can have kids, are they born as lightbearers or Humans.

[@Ceraphid]

Humans, being a lightbearer is tied to having a ghost

[@Samlengik]

@@Ceraphid but would this humans be a little "special"? since their parents are lightbearers, so they could have some contact with the light.

[@Ceraphid]

@@Samlengik at most they could have the same powers a ghostless guardian has, their thoughts still break reality in some regard due to their paracausal nature and could perhaps wield the darkness since stasis doesn't need a catalyst like ghost are for the light

[@michaelcunningham2111]

@@Ceraphid we could take them down the same road elsi did with us. Guiding them as a parent to weild the darkness for good instead of chaos. But then kids can always cause accidents leading the vanguard to get suspicious

[@Kl17355]

I thought the title said saladin and crow want to have kids💀💀💀💀

[@gatopreto9236]

Oh no... your comment make me have some dirty immoral thoughts 😏

[@alexiscastanedas.4804]

🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿❌❌❌❌❌ GOD

[@kingatlanofatlantis3075]

That’s enough KZbin comment section for today…

[@proudlarry8225]

One of the old live action commercials had a Gunslinger Hunter with a family and kids.

[@gsamalot]

sometimes you forget alot of the hardship saladin has been through over the many years the old wolf known many battles and seen so many die.

[@Revan_Zero]

What if now that Crow doesn't know what to do now, because of the shock he had for savathun's visions, he goes with Saladin because he's the only person he thinks he can trust, and becomes a young wolf and later a Lord? That'd be interesting to know Lord Crow

[@woundedhealer8575]

I know I’m probably wrong, but I still feel like that “mortal” with Zavala was actually Eris prior to her venture to the moon with her fire team. Remember that one scene? Yeah that scene.

[@DocDeeISC]

Eris was a Bladedancer Hunter. She's the Blade mentioned by the Emissary of the Nine, with Elsie Bray being the Hourglass.

[@woundedhealer8575]

@@DocDeeISC I don’t know nothin about that business. Seems interesting though.

[@crimsonhunter8997]

Guardians can live longer than the mortal even their life span are tripled. If they had family they will gain happiness, but soon the happiness will diminish, seeing time passed yet the guardian never change and all those around him/her will be gone. That is something far worst than death.

[@79bigcat]

At the same time the Traveler is referred to as a gardener. It would make sense for it to allow guardians to uh...cross-pollinate with normal humans. Shin Malphor and Jaren Ward show that ghosts can even be inherited through adopted family lines. If the ghost can't revive it's charge but can escape, it wouldn't have to find a new guardian.

[@proper7439]

"some know the legend. We were forged in the fires of - *old spice add begins*

[@Dragonfire-486]

Fun theory. Beyond light we had the story of Clovis being reborn as Banshee, and then instantly going against what the AI (himself before he was reset) wants, basically saying that the past does not judge the person. Season of the hunt we got crow, who had a past life as underneath, who he has turned against and become a guardian of good, finding his own path. Season of the chosen we had Caiatl, who came to offer an armistice even though she knew the guardians didnt trust cabal at all after the red war. Season of the splicer was the same deal with mithrax, who came for help even after his kind had killed so many people of the city. And now we have savathun, who has yet to show her real had but still offers peace. I think a takeaway from the past four seasons is to not judge people by their past, or the past actions of their kind. This whole campaign has been about making “allies” with the three main alien races, so who knows what’s in store for witch queen. Maybe light fall will end with a charge of guardians, cabal, hive and fallen all against the darkness. Just a theory.

[@son0fgrim]

we are literally corpses. kids were never in the cards.

[@quickstep9815]

I still can't stop thinking about those gaurdians that were in the middle of a double/triple jump or a glide over a chasm as the traveler was captured.. what a shit way to go..

[@BigHeadClan]

The name Saladin also has a few extra meanings. The first is “peace through faith” as the direct meaning of his name. The other is who he was named after Yusuf Shadi he was a sultan of Syria and Egypt who fought during the third crusade and has a few parallels with.

[@emberkryska9265]

I mean. Depending on how exactly Resurections work, female guardians could have a really bad time with pregnancies. I mean, when does life essence individuality start manifesting in a fetus? Would early-stage pregnancies carry over with a rez? I think that the Traveler wanted to create Guardians as a separate entity from humanity itself, a tool to defend complexity, the ring of spears. The, quite literal, fucking around could create issues.

[@kingofrannoch]

Or you can be a do nothing bum like efferdeet

[@Blasted2Oblivion]

Honestly, considering how often our player canonicaly saves everyone, if our guardian decided to take those 9 months off, the world would probably end.

[@kingofrannoch]

Ok when does he actually talk about it in the video so I dont ha e to sit around for 25 minutes

[@dream8870]

this would disappoint the traveler

[@kieranbrentnall3291]

Best thing to listen to while grinding

[@K.B98]

5:15 Now I crave D2 fanart depicting Borat as a Guardian

[@anothershellcialistturtle8568]

As a Titan main myself I wonder why can't our Guardian have this level of depth why don't we have any complex thoughts or emotions we just endlessly slaughter whatever lays in our path we have no love for anyone or fear we are just a blank canvas without any purpose.

[@kohrakthehorriblebionicle6187]

For me, the story of your guardian is largely what you make it. I write a lot of little story beats about my warlock, certain overarching plot things may be defined by bungo yes, but the fact her ghost uses a huge armoured shell because of red war trauma? That's my own spin. The way she views her own ability to wield stasis with distrust though she thinks the crystals are pretty and with a little care she learned how to sculpt them into little shapes for kids in the streets of the city like miniature ice sculptures? All me. Think about what kind of person your titan is, what they'd do and feel in the situations that they find themselves and I think you'll find a lot more invested in them as a character

[@anothershellcialistturtle8568]

@@kohrakthehorriblebionicle6187 ya but to me that’s not what I paid for I want them to give us a story about us I don’t want to have to make it up

[@carternorton2682]

Amanda and Crow are a good match. Her levity is a good balance to his more solemn attitude

[@infernas]

Bruh the feels in this video.

[@imwitu5404]

With the Darkness here Wouldnt Lady Efrideet have to get involve at some point 🤔

[@metalmadness8235]

Life lessons with Byf and Saladin

[@wander_meh9016]

Real chads remember that Patrick Casey ask byf this question back at d2 year 1

[@mfwiloseintouhoubossfights9305]

Darkness : psssst you want the power of the darkness.... To make some kids?

[@Rahuukhan]

I think we as a community of guardians need to initiate a counter spell to Savathun's song. A song of our own to combat her magic. A song that represents the light and the factions we fight alongside and sing it loud to drown out and replace the deceiver's song.

[@darlordthecynic]

"we weren't continuously killed before we found safety and purpose" bro i died like a dozen times in that first mission on D1. I suck at video games lol

[@wesguerin8706]

So, interesting note from the lore here. Pretty sure Saladin resisted Savathun's song, even if he doesn't realize he did. If that's the case, then we could have the first of our operatives to fight against Savathun. I figure our guardian is immune to the song because power of protag, but if Saladin is immune, then he could probably be either leading us, or at least guiding us during the Witch Queen