Destiny 2 Lore - The ACTUAL Season of the Wish Finale's Lore, And an exotic speaker's mask?

Destiny 2's Lore and Story from the Finale of the Season of the Wish shows us confronting an ancient threat in the Heart of the Black Garden once again. It also shows what happened with Crow when he made it through the portal and found himself face to face with Cayde once again. Plus there's a new exotic that looks like a speaker's mask. Subscribe to My name is Byf: kzbin.info_c...
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[@TheStrubble1]

I feel like the Vex are going to be a lot scarier once they speak english at us.

[@Arkaeus04]

When the binaries start speaking in words

[@Akranadas]

I don't think I'm ready for the Vex to trash talk me

[@YANASaysHi]

as someone who really enjoyed the Mechon in Xenoblade Chronicles this is specifically what i've been waiting for from the Vex for years. just the shock of encountering a huge, menacing Vex that just speaks. and does so with such utter disrespect, and treats everything else even the smaller Vex, like they're stupid. i'm serious shit-talking robots/mechs is such a thing. and would do so much in characterizing the Vex as an antagonist faction especially after all these years of fans being bored w/ the Vex and difficult to feel anything towards

[@lordsincross]

It's never gonna happen. The stuff they'd say bungie will never write cause it would make this game adults only rated.

[@jsmaster4779]

@@YANASaysHiman, didn’t expect to see Xenoblade Chronicles mentioned in my Destiny Byf video. But yeah, something like a Metal Face equivalent would be awesome to have in Destiny.

[@AwesomeJalapeno]

I want a scene of Cayde teasing Crow about his hunter vanguard position.

[@trashjash]

I mean, Crow is the reborn Uldren and Uldren did fulfil Cayde's Vanguard Dare, so I anticipate that before this is over he'll give Crow his approval to be the Hunter Vanguard.

[@likwid_smoke]

​@trashjash he didn't fulfill the dare. The dare doesn't apply to crow since uldren pulled the trigger. Crow wants the job to honor cayde after he learned of what he meant to everyone.

[@playworld2.017]

@@likwid_smokei hope they will do the dare now

[@2ndlegend125]

Couldnt it apply to him now that he 1) has Uldren's memories, 2) has accepted his past as uldren in Season of the Haunted. ​@likwid_smoke

[@scouttrooper2871]

welp...

[@TheWunderWaffelShow]

This black garden fight was marginally better then D1s imo, really showed how much enemy density and health have changed

[@barstool9156]

Yeah. I actually felt pressured in this fight. I couldn’t catch the a break from all the small bits of damage coming in, which made it more entertaining.

[@mrsmi1ey]

My solar restoration build absolutely carried my solo ass through that last fight. I would have been overwhelmed otherwise. Good job, bungie!

[@Wormy_fren]

My fallen sunstar and delicate tomb kit allowed me to just tear through that horde of vex. It wasn't even fair for the lil guys.

[@kutlumzrak2689]

I don't know how it was in d1. But for me in my gyrfalcon, ros arago and edge transit. I absolutely trashed them all with nearly no effort.

[@reggielacey2235]

Thats bad​@@barstool9156

[@beaugalaz963]

When the cutscene plays, showing Crow and Cayde meeting, that pulse of Light emanating from the Witness’s fortress, is that what Immaru meant when he says that he and the other Ghosts could feel the Traveler screaming? It did sound ominous when he listen closely….yikes.

[@provaricus627]

I could’ve sworn those pulses sounded like screams

[@SkinnyRavs82]

The traveler has been calling for help.

[@aidenfanucci9523]

Yeah, I keep hearing it every time I watch it. If you listen closely it's in the background of the entire cutscene

[@maimer1691]

When my boyfriend and I did the final mission together, at the end, he said something similar. I was sitting there shocked already that Crow and Cayde were there together. And then my bf said: "The traveler is crying". I....was...so...shocked. I sat there for a good minute in silence so dumbfounded...

[@yhongxiang]

Just a small correction for the Titan Exotic its text is "Every enemy of the Vanguard had a plan until..." The Hunter exotic is "Into the Traveler, the hunt continues."

[@CleopatraKing]

Titans better say "They got headbutted in the dick"

[@chrisr.shaver3641]

Huh?

[@Emrirwastaken]

​​@@chrisr.shaver3641 10:25

[@stuffandthings617]

Where were these posted? X?

[@yhongxiang]

@@stuffandthings617 On the Final Shape page for the Bungie site go to the shape your arsenal section and hit the arrows

[@AssassinoJake]

I love how crow was using hawkmoon in that duel

[@gingerback1194]

It is his signature weapon after all

[@provaricus627]

@@gingerback1194Even though we had it way before he ever did

[@A_random_funeral_consultant]

@@provaricus627as the quote goes “he wore that weapon like it was his” That seems to apply to crow too

[@elegy8187]

The traveler made the new hawkmoon for crow, as well as his ship. I guess we also get a copy of both because we’re special

[@Arctis326]

@@provaricus627it still his signature weapon

[@dmark_]

the fact that bungie gives us that ship again confirms the way cayde was risen was that wish

[@kais295]

You think crow wished him back?

[@flaming_skull]

​@@kais295 oh almost definitely

[@Maatell]

@@kais295 Yep, read the lore of the ship.

[@romo_lampkin]

@@kais295 Yes! Basically Riven was appearing in Mara form, just like in Forsaken, to Crow. She apologizes for manipulating him. He says he wishes he could say shooting Cayde was a mistake. Her eyes shine, which is what happens when Ahamkara grant a wish, and that's that. I'd go as far as to say her mate Taranis' benevolent nature, and refusal to alter wishes for his own benefit, taught Riven how to be selfless. I believe her Cayde wish was granted in that way, as a way to honor Taranis, and do some good before she disappeared for good.

[@kais295]

@@romo_lampkin wow

[@SergeyWaytov]

THAT FRICKING MISSION END FIGHT AND CUTSCENE! The things went full DAMN circle! It all started with Black Heart and it ends with Black Heart!

[@garrettviewegh9028]

“The Black Garden, cut out its heart. Only then will your Traveler begin to heal”. -Elizabeth Bray to The Guardian. 10 years ago.

[@SergeyWaytov]

@@garrettviewegh9028 it all started when mysterious female Exo gave us "don't have time to explain why I don't have time to explain" meme, and now, 10 years in, as Light and Darkness Saga concludes, we're seeing the Black Heart destroyed in same exact sequence as the first time. That Cayde/Crow fight was really cool and ended very much funny, but the idea of keeping the Black Heart as final attempt to twart the plan of pursing the Witness, and making it EXACTLY the same layout and three Vex Minds, made that Full Circle Moment just sooooooooooo much Perfect!

[@ScribeTheMad]

Close, it will truly be full circle when we put the Witness down with the Khvostov, IMO

[@SergeyWaytov]

@@ScribeTheMad well, we DO get Exotic Khvostov in FS

[@ScribeTheMad]

@@SergeyWaytov Yeah that's why I commented that lol

[@emperorholocron8278]

Considering all the character development Riven’s been through this season if she DID grant Crow’s wish to bring Cayde back then that would be the most fitting end for her character. Almost as an apology to “reverse” the one thing she and Savathûn did to Uldren that scarred him into his current life. Her last ever wish was to do something good that had no benefit to herself, with no strings or tricks attached. Just like Tarannis would.

[@BrazarB]

Name of the ship for this lore being "unforseen consequences", so I think there is a chance for something ill to be attached to it

[@emperorholocron8278]

@@BrazarB it might just be wishful thinking but i really think riven knew she was at the end of her life and her reflecting on Tarannis’ selflessness may have encouraged her to do something good for someone that she’d caused so much hurt to. Just one good thing right at the end because why not?

[@voltus20]

​​@@BrazarBthe unforseen consequence is the wish itself. Crow doesn't realize he made a wish, and something (Cayde) is going to change as a result, hence the name.

[@stuffandthings617]

@@voltus20 which is something where I see a huge plothole. that Crow is going into the Traveler is just because his and Maras Connection is so strong that this will be the way for the rest of us. But when that connection is so damn strong that it can be used through a portal into an unkown space, how the hell did Crow not sense that it was fricking Riven he talked to and not Mara?

[@MrJakeasaur98]

@@BrazarB Unforeseen doesn't mean bad. It could be an unforeseen positive - by Uldren wishing to be able to make things right with Cayde, he brings him back. I think that's all it is.

[@MrTrufax]

Byf: I'm releasing the COMPLETE Story of Destiny! ...Again! The Final Shape: I'm not even out yet...

[@Catalyst375]

I mentioned this on Evaze's story, but it is quite concerning that the Vex could simulate the Black Heart and its power in the first place. It screams them being able to simulate paracausality, even if they had the Witness' assistance.

[@suruxstrawde8322]

That's definitely gonna be their involvement in the story going forwards. It might even change their base nature.

[@beckhornig7910]

More like they made something on accident when trying to make something else entirely. They can create something of paracausality but not what the even remotely intended. I believe it is cause for concern but they clearly don't understand the paracausal enough to completely make anything they can control.

[@kutlumzrak2689]

Asher Myr did it. Witness helped them twice. With enough time they learned to suppress saints light. Vex can definitely evolve to simulate paracausality at this rate

[@equinoxruinouseffigy7856]

I’m not sure the black heart was ever meant to replace it though. More likely to keep others from using it while it didn’t have access.

[@suruxstrawde8322]

@@equinoxruinouseffigy7856 Considering it was planted there by the witness and not the vex, who only revered what they couldn't understand-- yeah it's essentially a lock or a plug on a tool from the witness' perspective.

[@venomgames1077]

That final mission had me more genuinely giddy about a mission in Destiny than I've felt in a long time. When that door opened, pure joy.

[@LotusHex103]

I didn't even process that it was the same door from back in d1 vanilla until I saw the Black Heart. By then I was giddy and fighting solely to put that stupid blob back in the ground lol

[@joepickup7305]

nostalgia over content lets fucking goooooo

[@icicle_ai]

note, the flavor text that has the "into the traveler the hunt continues" came from balance of power, the hunter exotic, not wishful ignorance, the titan exotic. wishful ignorance's flavor text is "Every enemy of the Vanguard had a plan until..."

[@zombiepicnic9683]

Titan one could be melee based then, since that text seems like a play on the Mike Tyson quote "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face."

[@icicle_ai]

@@zombiepicnic9683 god I hope not. Titan already has so many exotics around melee

[@2ndlegend125]

​@@icicle_aiMOAR!!!

[@QTEila]

@@icicle_ai As it should be.

[@icicle_ai]

@@QTEila no. focusing so many exotics into melee just KILLS titans viability because surprise surprise getting into melee range in high end content results in your death 90% of the time. and don't get me started on it's supers...

[@neilduncan441]

It’s awesome how Riven manipulated a wish out of crow.. to HELP us. She couldn’t do it directly without a wish so she found a way. I really love that twist - almost thank you for saving her clutch.

[@MrBananaCheeks]

I really appreciated that they changed up the fight by activating more of the minds at once. It caught me off guard when I was running from one and ran into another. D1’s fight is very much one at a time.

[@DarkSiv]

Bungie is setting up The Final Shape PERFECTLY. I will admit, the delay was a great idea.

[@seanathaalexand]

THANK YOU FOR BEING THE ONE KZbinR TO NOT PUT A SCREENSHOT OF THE CUTSCENE IN YOUR THUMBNAIL!!! I HAD THE REVEAL SPOILED FOR ME ON MY LUNCH BREAK WHEN SEVERAL OTHERS USED SCREEN GRABS AS THIER THUMBNAILS

[@individual7046]

Did anyone notice during the Hydra boss fight that there where Vex Hobgoblins not of Sol Divisive. These where regular Vex encountered anywhere in the system and they where broken spinning around aimless not trying to hit you. Furthermore after you defeat the Hydra and get the objective "destroy remaining hostiles" you can spare these three hobgoblins. If it where just bungie using the wrong assets I would brush this off but because of these two factors mentioned above I think it's a intentional story beat. For some reason the other Vex where in the Black Garden, we don't know their motives but seeing how they where damaged by the Hydra Boss and spinning around this was either a) a intervention by the rest of the Vex to stop the Black Heart Or b) the Sol Divisive waging war on the other Vex

[@voltus20]

Vex from outside Sol consider the Sol Divisive anomalous, and we know from the Avalon exotic mission what they do to anomalous vex (like Asher). Now that i think about it, it is entirely possible that the reason we have never seen combat frame vex is because the Sol Divisive was cutting off the rest of the vex from accesing the system, and after their fall, the whole of the vex true force can finally reach us. It would make for the perfect setup for the next big bad.

[@Chromastellia]

@voltus20 i can see this being mentioned in the next season since its vex themed i believe

[@B_iggaPlays]

Take a shot everytime Byf says “sooo…..yeaaah”

[@Myahster]

I like the symmetry of the exotic hand cannons all having connections to one another. Last Word and Thorn, Thorn and Lumina, and now Hawkmoon and Ace of Spaces.

[@xarm23]

I would say Last Word and Malfeasance instead. Or as well. Malfeasance was designed by or for the Drifter to kill the original owner of Last Word.

[@Mafuyu24542]

Bro the Osiris and Saint 14 moment after the mission was adorable

[@Arkaeus04]

Cayde: you’re vanguard hunter now due to dare.

[@PaidInCash212]

It'd be funny if bungie would acknowledge this with Cayden being surprised he hasn't been made it in so many years

[@jonotwist]

"No givesies-backsies".

[@elegy8187]

He’d probably be like “they haven’t made you the hunter vanguard yet?! I thought I was VERY clear about the vanguard dare!”

[@dutchvanderlinde6568]

I LOVE it when a story comes full circle. Reminds me of Halo and Red Dead Redemption in a way...

[@yasininn76]

Full circle my ass, this was just them being lazy af.

[@IzzyTheCatgirl]

The end fight and the cutscene are both just, by the Witness, i loved it, i loved it so much, and the short conversation we got between Crow and Cayde?? I loved it

[@icicle_ai]

I just remembered something. in the lore tab of heart of inmost light it says that while the traveler didn't speak to the man in the lore tab, it could communicate what it wanted to him. I hope that when tfs comes out, and if there are whispers like the ones in lightfall, the heart of inmost light is one of the exotics that can translate them.

[@DragonKnight90001]

It brings back memories my only gripe was “the union” did not play

[@CreamyCrusader]

Hopefully it plays when we finally defeat the witness

[@AstridTheBee]

I believe the reason it wasn't in that fight is that Bungie doesn't have the rights to the Music of the Spheres anymore

[@DragonKnight90001]

@@AstridTheBee oh right yeah I completely forgot about that thanks for reminding me. Edit: I’ll just play it from my phone then next best thing.

[@justcallmeness]

Is that... screaming? The Traveler really is yelling for help. Wow.

[@darthcerebus]

I just wish that THIS was the reveal of the old boy. It would've been a MUCH bigger reveal and the hype behind it would've been excessively greater.

[@lewis18051]

It’s interesting that out of all the alien races in Destiny the Precursors look the most like humans

[@2ndlegend125]

Ya think Bungie gonna redo their old Halo lore?

[@wearsjorge55]

​@2ndlegend125 nah they'll bail on the franchise, another studio will take over destiny and retcon all lore related to precursors or ancient beings

[@velkana]

​​@@wearsjorge55idk man, bungie seems pretty keen on keeping destiny, especially with destiny 3 being a thing (but in extremely early development) and also episodes

[@aljazslemc9569]

​@wearsjorge55 source trust me bro

[@wearsjorge55]

@velkana yeah I know, was just a joke. Poking fun at them when they separated from Microsoft and 343 industries took a big dump on the existing forruner lore

[@zhikari3231]

I'm absolutely loving that cayde...is using a reformed ace, and that crow using hawkmoon...2 guns that fit their characters and pasts.

[@drsaddomia]

The radio message between Osiris and Saint made me teary-eyed. ❤

[@bigwiggs8767]

I am so hyped for the complete story video. I have had such a hard time to find stuff to watch on youtube so having a multiple hour long lore video about one of my favorite games is gonna keep me happy.

[@SuperMK1989]

Cant wait for the complete saga video! It must have been such a massive undertaking to go through it all, record and edit. I watched the other synopsis video when it came out, but now getting back into D2 for the first time since Shadowkeep, I was really looking for a synopsis of everything I've missed. So ya, excited and thank you!

[@JoBroNoHole]

I'm a sucker for nostalgia and that garden fight took me back to the last time my friends played destiny with me 😂 I've been solo for a while. Though now I've dragged my dad along the journey as well

[@nightshadexl242]

Side Note : the season finale reward and it texts, make me wonder at least if the “Mara” we saw in that one season , if at times the top was an illusion.

[@DredgenStorm]

Byf, Martin, thank you for your consideration towards us in the US for the upcoming Light and Darkness Saga video. Based on what you have said, I'll get to watch the full video before work that day. However, such grandness of lore keeping deserves full attention, good food, and alcohol. So I will be watching it on the Sunday of that weekend because I have Sundays off!

[@timewaster504]

I just wish that they kept the excerpt from the Union in the boss fight. That is THE best piece of music in destiny and I hope that it will return someday

[@justanidiotmk2749]

I love that riven is being testy with mara sov while masquerading around the helm and granting wishes because she can

[@kylemontgomery9396]

Love your videos and appreciate you so much for what you’ve done for the lore community and the d2 community as a whole. Thanks Byf ❤

[@loftusjones370]

I loved pretty much everything about this mission. Nostalgia and the real Cayde returns! So excited for the Shape

[@johnotron604]

Didn't know about the Nezarec whispers with the Nezarec gear, that's some next level detail they added.

[@AbrasiveDRUM]

I cannot wait. Thank you so much for all of your hard work and content.

[@2voiceactorsplay471]

Your OG warlock gives me memories! This mission and cutscene were perfect!!

[@1689Nerd]

Love the content byf glad to see your staying strong

[@Hi-Revy]

Looking forward to your Light & Darkness saga video. Fabulous content. Thanks for all you do!

[@Idkidkidk716]

My favorite lore master!

[@punchline1729]

Byf was right about the lore of the "scattered signal" lore about mentioning the black heart

[@tyturg420]

Thank you for all you do Byf!! Keep the amazing content comin 🙏🏻😁🖤

[@someonestolebigboi-imbigboi]

7:20 "this one, you shall cherish, O' Gaurdian mine."

[@altronbee1216]

seeing the black heart, albeit a false one again after so long kinda hit me hard, destiny never makes me emotional but seeing the black garden and the black heart again really brought me back and it took me a minute before i actually started the fight

[@IceSki117]

Your channel and the cutscenes are pretty much the only things still tying me to Destiny. My interest in playing the game died long ago due to the lackluster gameplay that has hardly changed in a decade, but damn is the story finally starting to come full circle.

[@olivia892]

I feel like the exotic speaker mask feels like a slight hint to the guardian is going to be an integral part of the new higharchery in the last city/is a possible new dreamer/speaker connected character... As in, we dawn the mask, even if we take someone elses words to help them

[@user-dx5ek7jf7p]

Yes when the witness is defeated my guess on a theory is we become grey guardians. We have the light and dark but don’t serve either a call back to grey Jedi in Star Wars old republic stuff, really cool.

[@garrettviewegh9028]

I think, we may be the first to be able to commune with the Gardner outside her Traveler. Maybe Osiris, and Ikora after. If it really is a type of Valhalla for legendary Guardians long dead, then communing with them and the Gardner will be important going forward. Osiris said the inside of the Traveler could unravel more paracausal mysteries. There’s still so much more we don’t know.

[@olivia892]

@@garrettviewegh9028 especially considering were a week away from just the story, and what... 2 weeks from the actual end of the baseline saga story... Who knows, really. Im just hoping the implications are deep

[@Nina-ld7wz]

If I was a betting man it wouldn't surprise me if "the original plan/framework" was going to intend to have a newly rezzed Crow(former Uldren) be the closest thing we would get to another Speaker. It was perfectly served up at a time when there was the Vanguard/Tower conversation of "were we going to get another Speaker after the Red War, did we even need one ? etc " and to plop the man who killed Cayde in the middle of all that exhibiting Speaker-like qualities would've been some good stuff and cause for actual drama. Problem is I imagine Bungie felt we were way too far from a bulk of the Speaker's involvement in the story, if you didn't play D1 the Speaker kinda doesn't get much context, a little hard to follow, and obviously with Bungie tweaking the story as they went along it was probably easier to not make such a big deal of it when there was time to dedicate elsewhere.

[@scott80]

Thanks for the video Biff

[@jokeyxero]

Helmet attuned to the Traveler, hand cannon and ship all created by the Traveler; chances are good we'll hear from it soon.

[@jokeyxero]

And maybe heart of innermost light as well?

[@cainprescott4937]

I don't think I ever went through the Black Garden fight back in D1, but it was pretty neat to see it here as well.

[@tomcheyne9027]

Despite the fact that this was the lead up season to final shape I thought it was a rlly rlly gd season activities where pretty fun gear was a little disappointing but the storyline was amazing we get to see another side to riven whilst also seeing another possibility for the relationship between the last city and ahamkara

[@impartialthrone2097]

When I fought the boss in this mission, the order was actually Past (White and Gold), Future (Black, circle head), Present. Not sure why the order was different this time around.

[@captaincapsaicin1319]

If warlocks get to hear the traveler through the speakers mask I imagine the other classes having the travelers chosen sidearm equiped will be able to as well.

[@Cephal0god]

I was at work when this came out. I was almost crying during my break watching the cutscene

[@monsterstoner]

Can't wait for your upcoming videos im hyped

[@valteth]

Yay the complete lore is projected for my birthday

[@northwoods27]

There’s definitely some Ahamkara doings here, but I think the mechanism of Cayde returning will be the darkness’ corruption of the Traveller; given its strong link with memory. In this case, Crow’s memories, specifically. This version having the full memories of Cayde (if he does) could be the result of a guardian’s link with the traveller, and its ‘memories’ if them in some form.

[@ruthlesslistener]

The reason why the Black Garden fight was a copy of the og encounter (other than just being an homage, which I appreciated as someone who got into D2 in Beyond Light and doesn't have a console) was because it was a simulation of the original that the Vex were running to try to cause interference, done so with the Witness's help. Which, on one hand, is somewhat of a good sign- it means that they can't yet simulate paracausality without extra help- but is still discomforting. Either way though, it was a tight fight for me as a solo hunter, and I enjoyed it As for Riven's meddling, I personally interpreted her granting the wish as her giving Crow the idea to go through the portal in the first place. Cayde's glowing with light, so I feel like the Traveler is responsible for him coming back, but Riven def. tweaked some strings there, potentially in our favor The cutscene and radio message were the best part of the finale tho imo- it took Cayde under a minute to make the 'Crow =/= Uldren' connection that so many others took years to get over (or never got over it at all), and I'm excited to see them interact- the mini crucible match was already a good start. And it ending with Osiris and Saint musing about being able to finally retire and relax soon and say they loved each other out loud after so many years of having to hide in the shadows touched my heart. It's a good way to end off with a little bit of hope when things are at their most dire

[@christopherromero5325]

Huge fan, love your work!

[@tommydixon4871]

the black garden was far better then the OG wow it was awesome and the scene with crow/cayde that blow my mind 100%

[@PridetheFallen]

I love that Crow was "reborn" in the light and Mara was "reborn" in the dark.

[@seanrath6043]

Time for you to get your speaker mask now!

[@jeremymatthies726]

I didnt know new exotics dropped. Dont remember seeing things about it when i ran that last mission. Great off the cuff job Byf.

[@Roundbrow]

Scuppered. Love it, thanks for my daily dose of the King's English.

[@sanchansama9356]

You'd shouted out Venextron awhile back & I walked away from His EPIC Gardener & Winower Vid with My MIND BLOWN!! Excited to hear Your perspective on the Topic 💯💯🤟🏽🤟🏽

[@jszc93088]

The flavor text on the Titan exotic armor says "Every enemy of the Vanguard had a plan until..."

[@JaQofAllTrad3s]

10:53 it would make more sense if it were those few Ahamkara that escaped the Great Hunt right? Maybe The Witness captured them for experimentation.

[@goronhead]

One interesting thing I noticed during the mission was during the first darkness zone, there are non-sol divisive vex in some sort of state of malfunction (standing in one place, shooting aimlessly). I have to wonder if they were trying to disrupt the plans and got taken out by sol divisive? if they were meant as sacrifices in some way?

[@FreezeFrameYT]

When I went through the vex portal into the black garden where the heart was in destiny 1 I was so excited to feel the rush again that my teammate I was playing with said I missed a rally flag. I was so excited and happy to be back in time :)

[@JGburneraccount]

Its only going to make sense that cayde remembers EVERYTHING in his lives, from before he was a guardian to all his deaths as a exo

[@steelgriffin7716]

I can't help but think it'd be funny as hell to see how he reacts to every that's happened on Europa since too, if he remembers his previous reboots. "Wait, the Head's awake? You did WHAT!? ... Oh you blew it up, good job."

[@grzetim]

I am SO glad I avoided looking at videos and online until I got a chance to play. As a player since the D1 beta, coming up to that door in the Black Garden was a sureal moment and when it opened and the Black Heart was there I lost it. Such flashbacks to that fight; it was the first time I did anything in Destiny with a non-matchmade fireteam. Did anyone else catch that Cayde KNEW Uldren was dead? I am assuming since Cayde saw a ghost he put two and two together. Also there is no sign of Sundance or another ghost for Cayde. If the Pale Heart is hanging around long term as a location it wouldn't shock me if Cayde is stuck there (for now) kind of like the knight at the end of Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade. Those new exotics look interesting; the Warlock one really has my attention.

[@Killingblaze]

I actually had no idea that the finally was today until your video, thank you for having spoiler warnings, it allowed me to play the finally without it being ruined

[@colorfulcredit5373]

Just want to point out the subtle shift in colors here--Originally, when Cayde spoke his mouth flashed orange/ yellow.... Now it's almost pure white, like the cracks running along his gun. Also, in Saint's dream... wasn't he leaking something similar? Something glowing almost like Vex milk, but not?

[@elegy8187]

All exos from the deep stone crypt are made using vex milk that has been exposed to the darkness. Maybe in Cayde’s rebirth he’s had all the darkness inside him replaced with the light?

[@dynojackal1911]

Slight correction: The Sol Progeny Minds are, in order awakened, Established Mind (Past/Left), Inevitable Mind (Future/Right), and Synchronal Mind (Present/Center).

[@KilothATEOTT]

:) I think the Traveler wanted us to have a guide while exploring, so it was going to give us one, and the wish of Crow decided who/what our guide would be; Cayde.

[@Skywarp0317]

The lore tab on the ship!!! Oh my god!!!

[@SpinfoilHat]

I'm still not over the heartbeat sound effects that were there this time. At least I don't remember a heartbeat sound that loud way back in D1.

[@romo_lampkin]

Interesting point: I deleted the Unforeseen Consequences ship months ago. One of the rewards for this mission, right after that cutscene, when talking to Osiris, is the very same ship. I feeeeeel like that's pretty direct.

[@EmergencyChrispatcher]

The Thing I’m Most Excited About in regards to The Gardener and The Winnower was that the Soundtrack Titles for TFS got leaked, and some of the song Titles are Crazy

[@Tu57ht]

I'm willing to bet that like how Nezarec's sin allowed us to hear his voice in Lightfall, the speaker's mask will allow warlocks to hear the voice of the traveler in the pale heart in-game (just like you mentioned). Is it mere coincidence that this exotic is another warlock exotic?

[@Littlestlight_]

I look forward to the future Warframe lores sir Byf I do look very much forward to all the more lores in the future when it comes to both destiny and Warframe both have made massive lore updates and leaks and just more lore pieces in both games and I’m very excited to getting back into the channel with the lore videos I’ve missed

[@wxndws]

I really hope our warlock speaker mask will have secret dialogues with the Gardener or the Traveler, alike the Nezarec's Sin helm did in Lightfall campaign with Nezarec's voice. Also peep that the ship looks like both the machine in the Speaker's quarters from d1 as well as psionic heads and Nezarec's head and helm. Some sort of a tuning fork. I think forsaken and design choices regarding the Traveler and Nezarec/psions are somewhat influenced by Alice and the Looking Glass. At least I get those vibes when seeing the imagery and reading about Toax and the OXTA/Otzot machine. I can't wait to see and hear more on the Vex and their plans in the grand scheme of things, how the Asphodelia flowers tie in. Amazing seeing conflict and lore tying together, hopefully unsolved mysteries in lore get answers in regard to Vex, Hidden/Nine, Aphelions and Ahamkara/Wish Dragons, Neomuna and the Veil, Xivu and the hive towards the cabal on future potential battle for Torobotal and Toland's response or side to those events unfolding, and then Nezerac. There's so much unknown for potential depth and narrative to unfold. Also the ghost projection in Eververse for bright dust this week is neat and maybe foreshadowing for what may or may not happen. Edit: was typing this as I was listening to the vid, as these all were my exact immediate thoughts when I played thru Veil Threats, so I'm glad I be on the same wavelength as Byf and not the only one hopeful. In retrospect now, I think it will be good to test out wearing Heart of Inmost Light, using Traveler's Chosen, and such themed exotics as those for potential secret lore/dialogue or interactions.

[@rocablade6908]

Something I just remembered, Brother Vance mentioned something about music with the Lighthouse, so I wonder if that music and the Travalers are connected in some way

[@twobee-1654]

Something I find weird about the whole Cayde thing is that there are no drawbacks to it, despite the ahamkara magic used to bring him back. Crow wanted to be able to talk to Cayde and apologize for what he did. It's not even like he's one of those nightmares from shadowkeep where he constantly tells Crow how bad of a person he is for killing Cayde. Instead, he's a normal guy(except for the glowing stuff) and the devs even said he's gonna serve as a guide for us.

[@SierraMonstera]

They could've done like an oversoul thing, where as the Heart fades it starts a countdown where you have to shoot it , otherwise it'll blow up and you have to restart the fight

[@FC_mania]

Speaker's Sight- Exotic Perk: "YOU SHOULD KYS NOW!" Significantly improves damage output of Storm Grenades

[@MatthewJohnson-ll7iz]

You are the goat byf

[@joerogo92]

One other thing of note during the crow/cayde interaction is cayde acknowledging that he knows Uldren died. This implies that this cayde knows whats been going on in the world AFTER his death.

[@TisDansk]

He saw his ghost and deduced uldren doed because before he was about to pull the trigger

[@Witch_King_Ken]

I really want it confirmed that we as guardians are stronger inside the pale heart. The fight with cayde has me speculating that hes tapping into a deeper connection with the light the he was able to before. It would also help if we get a little friendly boost from the traveler going into the witness fight.

[@aimbotamyott8224]

Bro destiny is the real life version of “here be dragons”

[@benarchyuk837]

I really hope we get Cayde's new Ace design as an Ornament. It looks so good

[@rawrac4life]

Every single video is this, "this new thing happened and yeah...Dragons!!! We need dragons!!!"

[@burnin8able]

My current theory for how Cayde is back is that the whole environment inside the Traveler didn't exist at all until the witness started Doing A Darkness at it and since all darkness powers are associated with psyche and memories to an extent it manifested a sort of amalgamation of all of the recent memories the Traveler has, and since Ghosts are an extension (kind of?) of the Traveler their memories also applied, which included the massive outpouring of memorialization Cayde got. So since so many Ghosts had strong memories of him, he got "reconstructed" as a memory of the traveler.

[@mako9324]

The exotic speaker mask looks so sick

[@mozeytown]

We should not be so complacent about defeating the heart of the Black Garden. The evolving names of the Ternary Minds imply we may not have been as successful as it seems. D1 Black Garden: Primeval, Imminent, Eschaton Altars of Summoning: Prevenient, Prevailing, Proximate This mission: Established, Synchronous, Inevitable The Past mind goes from "primeval" (at the beginning of time) to "prevenient" (before now) to "established" (that which is now because it has been). The Present mind goes from "imminent" (almost now) to "prevailing" (overwhelming now) to "synchronous" (at the same time as now). The Future mind goes from "eschaton" (at the end of time) to "proximate" (soon) to "inevitable" (going to happen and cannot be prevented). This is terrifying. The evolution of these names indicates a collapsing timeline as the past and future become more and more entangled with the present. "Established" and "inevitable" are also alarming in their assuredness that Vex predictions have indeed come to pass. I do not think we've been as victorious as we'd like to believe.