Destiny 2: The One Thing That Spire Does Better Than Duality (Thoughts on the Dungeon)

[@13576bard]

I like that this dungeon actually takes place in a "real" place. It feels like half the dungeons take place in a dream-scape or surreal alt dimension. It's very satisfying to look at the spire on the horizon, enter through the big underground cavern, climb to the top, then plunge back down into the depths of the facility. That progression felt a lot more narratively satisfying than the sort of unstructured journey through the Prophecy dungeon for example.

[@atomic_wait]

I like that you can look down at the final arena and up to the starting area in both this and Pit

[@NobleVI_343]

wild

[@NobleVI_343]

@Ya Mum grasp and duality are hella fantastical, to the point he doesn't see them as real, but idfk how Pit isn't grounded when we've dealth with hive temples like that since D1

[@jellobrindle7140]

You can see the end areas at the start of pit, shattered throne and grasp. Put, it’s in the pit (you can also see the starting area from the boss room) shatty t it’s the big fuck off spire (you can also see the starting area from the boss room) and grasp if you look for the ketch in the distance, it’s above the boss room. Duality, shatty t and prophesy all use the same alt dimension thing but that stuff is so ingrained into destiny now I don’t even notice.

[@jellobrindle7140]

@@atomic_waitand shatty t

[@FireDavio42]

"When I do end up getting this bow, sometime in 2024, we will investigate." I felt that in my core.

[@epicgamerzfail4575]

So painful but true

[@IFireX]

True

[@nolungs2146]

Got it first time fuckers

[@rustyrolla5432]

Laughs in I got the bow second run 😂 Update I've got it twice now. Feels weird to be this lucky since I still don't even have heartshadow

[@flomasta33ify]

I got it 1st run 😂😊

[@tacowaffles5967]

Something I really appreciate about this dungeon is the sense of progression conveyed by the environment. I love that you can see where you started. It's one of the reasons I love Vow so much

[@groovydolph]

Same!! Vow was my first raid and my Sherpa pointed out where we started the first encounter once we got to the final boss and man something about that triggered this dopamine rush in me that made me really stay with the game since then. I really enjoy that about this one as well and hope others get that same rush of satisfaction

[@ajeenius7437]

@@groovydolph Just seeing the sheer distance we've covered to get to where we are is awe-inspiring! Can't recall another game where I've felt that, and it's part of the reason why Destiny keeps me coming despite its MANY shortcomings.

[@groovydolph]

@@ajeenius7437 agreed brother!

[@fett4478]

So this is hands down my favorite dungeons they’ve released and I couldn’t figure out why until I watched this video. It’s the short mechanics required to hit a dmg phase. If I’m going to have a short dmg phase with little to no-room for error during the phase, I don’t want to spend 5-6 minutes getting there. This dungeon is short, quick, to the point. I absolutely love that.

[@jerryballstein]

That and I like how hitting the nodes feels like running the gauntlet in a way, and it really rewards you getting more and more efficient - as in there's no RNG to the mechanic and its purely map traversal and knowledge. I enjoyed figuring out Duality and beating it the first 4 or 5 times but after that its become a real slog. Definitely felt more of an accomplishment beating Duality day 1 vs Spire, but I think Spire is going to be fun for longer.

[@reachcole514]

Me and my buddies place this as the second worse dungeon in the game.

[@Fournonu]

@@reachcole514 i love this dungeon just wish enemies were more unique

[@Brawlio13]

@reachcole but why tho? You can't just drop that In here without context.

[@reachcole514]

@@Brawlio13 primarily the final boss room. We all hold disdain for Wyverns so an unkillable high damaging wyvern drops it quote a bit on its own. Short dps phases with the inconsistency of Wyvern hitboxes. The fact that supplicants can Spawn in the middle of every area in the rooms makes them more aggravating than in any other activity.

[@exostretch7991]

My favorite part of the dungeon is the sense of progression. First time I ran it I spent 10+ minutes on the opener, but now I can get it done in less than 5. Feels good to see how much I’ve improved

[@kreia187]

it also does an awesome job of letting you feel like you progress, from a narrative and setting perspective. You start running (probably more like eager edging) through the dunes, then you come across this abandoned western town with the bushweed (nice touch there) and see the spire in the distance. After the door in the ground opens up you travel through some incredibly large basement that just screams big vex plans and mystery. You get to ascend the tower from the outside while platforming with dizzying heights below you, have an epic bossfight on the top of it while constantly risking being pushed down (especially at the end of a damage phase), drop down through some vents, rotorblades and techy rooms, to face a really good boss in the basement, which you actually saw earlier in the dungeon traversing some hallway, and all of that is presented in a very thematic, clear way. Definitely a cool first experience.

[@Forcer69]

I think my favorite part about the Dungeon is that “Whether we wanted it or not, we’ve stepped into a war with some wires on Mars.”

[@RiggedFem]

"So let's get to taking out their command"

[@paradoxicperfection6589]

@@RiggedFem one by one.

[@TrollOmnipotence]

Wires D'ARC

[@KCrofty1994]

From what I can gather, he’s plugged into a wall outlet in an imperial land tank outside of rubicon

[@noahgot88]

He's well protected, but with the right team, we can punch through those defenses, unplug this beast, and break their grip on Rasputin.

[@addemiusinksoul8655]

Protip: If you are having difficulty with the final boss fighting back during the damage phase, use Leviathan's Breath. It has really good damage, and every arrow staggers him so it both can't get close enough to melee and cannot fire back.

[@derek3154]

Good call👍

[@DiscoDevil197]

Or just get good

[@sayarimamani3605]

@@DiscoDevil197 lol

[@addemiusinksoul8655]

@@DiscoDevil197 Using the proper counter to an enemy is "gitting gud"

[@thegregster3808]

Doesn’t levis breath do like only 20k a precision hit

[@tinysquidwardonachair2236]

The one thing that I felt this dungeon did better than duality for me at least is that it didn't drag on for too long when getting from encounter to encounter unlike in duality where it feels as though I'm going to travel to Japan by foot

[@seanslaysean7097]

^ this, in and out; easily farmable

[@commentingchannel9776]

The traversal sections and overall atmosphere are what makes Dungeons Dungeons and not just three person raids

[@humanactivated1017]

Japan is beautiful on foot though

[@jerryballstein]

@@commentingchannel9776 Its what makes them not strikes, imo.

[@Boulder7685]

Lightblade is my favorite strike because so much of it feels like a dungeon with less mechanics, but also clearable in reasonable time depending on the difficulty, which I think Legend tends to hit, but still having to deal with the Champion nonsense. I’d say I like this the most for similar if opposed reasons: I like that it feels like a more intensive yet similarly rewarding Strike more than the past dungeons. It probably doesn’t have the same atmospheric impact that basically all the past dungeons had, for sure, but of all the dungeons I could be invited to run back for loot with my friends, this is the first that I think I’d happily do a quick run or even more (circumstances willing), and not having craftable weapons in the pool just adds to that incentive.

[@bruhmoment8732]

Pro tip: the shatter pulse from shadebinder super will activate any nodes as long as you have the arctrician buff. You can start DPS for the final boss in like 10 seconds

[@MG-Makes]

oooh gotta try that

[@ryean8212]

It's not as easy as it sounds, although it is still incredibly easy lmao

[@ThatFletcherGuy.]

One warmind cell with global reach will activate every node in the room if you have the buff as well

[@waaaluigi]

No way, the alt fire will activate any node‽

[@igraviks7899]

Opinion man emerges from his cave once again Dungeon is fun. the harpy boss reskin doesn’t bother me at all, the mechanics allow the encounters to go by faster once you memorize the locations, weapons are great (would’ve preferred if the seventh seraph weapons were craftable tho) armor is S tier, and the lore implications are big. 7/10 for me

[@warlockholmes]

No that would be saltagreppo

[@minecraftsteve_slayer6991]

My opinion is here, Cayde-Sex would’ve loved this Dungeon if he hadn’t been FOMOd 😢😢😢😢

[@RoyaltonDrummer922]

Opinion goblin (I mean that in a nice way)

[@lucienmoolman8017]

Datto is opinion man and fallout is shotgun man what would all the other destiny youtubers/streamers "___" man be

[@Nathan-uc6rn]

It's definitely the easiest dungeon up until the final boss, which after Duality, I'm ok with. I don't want to say I hate Duality, but there's just so much random BS that can kill you in Duality that the change of pace is welcome for the time being, at least for me. Being able to speed up the mechanical side of things is certainly appreciated as well, having to wipe in Duality is such a pain because it takes so long to set yourself up for a damage phase. I just wish heavy spawned more frequently in the final boss room because holy hell my brother and I ran around for 10 minutes at one point killing ads for heavy and we got nothing and just ended up using specials for damage.

[@jerryballstein]

I'm going to be much more willing to hop in and run through it every reset to get the exotic vs Duality, that's for sure. After like my 25th clear w/ no exotic and like 2 SMG drops I've given up ever running that damn thing again.

[@airo2theknee846]

@@jerryballstein Bro, I feel your pain. I’m 31 clears in on Duality and still haven’t gotten Heartshadow to drop.

[@treychapo1898]

Got it

[@mrbliv102]

I feel like this dungeon was designed specifically for solo players and with future strand in mind. Like how big some of the rooms are like swinging through there like spiderman next expansion is going to be so fun. That final boss fight as a solo player (granted i was under leveled) Took HOURS for me to get down and do. So very fun in that aspect.

[@2ScoopsPlz]

Disagree. The damage phases of the 2nd and 3rd encounter are very brief and are obviously intended to be done as a group.

[@dtps_champion6016]

I feel like you're making all of that up in your head. Glad you're having fun tho

[@Evilwombat]

Lol designed for solo players??? - I want what you're smoking

[@Boris_The_Turtle]

This one is likely the one least designed for solo players. I took a buddy with me who is new to Destiny through it, so naturally I had to do a lot of damage, and the DPS checks were absurd. I was using a god rolled linear with font of might and debuffs and such plus witherhoard, and it only put a little dent in the consecrated mind boss. Final boss is was super tough, took like 45 minutes, we used rockets and fusion rifles and still, super little damage done.

[@NAPainter]

@@Boris_The_Turtle people have already solo 2 phased harpy and solo 3 phased the wyvern. If your only point for why something WASN'T designed with solo's in mind was damage then the damage should be like 4-5+ phases to kill with perfect damage. the fact that solo's are killing bosses in similar phases to most lfg groups just proves that it WAS designed with solo players in mind. But specifically with GOOD solo players in mind.

[@matt6231]

For me it's my favorite dungeon ever. No bullshit, no over the top mechanics, no absurd wipe timers. I'm playing to enjoy myself, not to play "task management simulator" trying to keep track of 5 different things happening at once. At no point does this dungeon feel like it's purposefully slowing me down, it doesn't impose a rythm. You do the encounters however you feel like doing them, no rush, and no headache. Short, to the point, enjoyable, good looking. All things Duality lacks. Edit: I also completely overlooked that experience in the dungeon is extremely rewarding, unlike in many other dungeons, where you can't do anything to speed up the encounters.

[@oxsila]

This might be the first Dungeon I try to solo without inevitably hating the dungeon due to failed attempts tedium lol

[@lucashytinen8160]

You can speed up duality encounters and it feels much more rewarding because there is so much risk involved if you screw up. Duality by far is the hardest to solo flawless imo

[@matt6231]

@Ya Mum ye but shattered throne is blindness simulator, so automatically bad

[@jamiegreyy]

Yeah, I dunno. The whole thing felt a little boring to me.. And thematically confused. It felt like they just stuck Vex assets in a generic environment. I don't think the dungeon was bad, just average.

[@GradivusGFX]

@@lucashytinen8160 my solo flawless run in doodooality got ruined by those broken ass bells

[@newtypeshot]

I think it was Salt that was saying this is the first dungeon that you can truly master because there's almost 0 element of RNG to the mechanics. It's just about remembering where all the nodes are, even in the final boss where the two starting ones are random, as long as you know the path from there you can hit the zoomies. I think that's really cool.

[@azap1378]

I really liked it, love the short bursts of damage and I also like how kinda like Deep Stone Crypt there's a story built in; you discover the site of the dungeon, make your way inside, reboot power in order to climb your way up to the top where you have a showdown with the boss. You then find out the true objective of the vex's siege, and rush to the main reactor where you face the wyvern, who appears thematically and gameplay-wise to be pretty pissed at your arrival. Also, cowboy hat.

[@Boulder7685]

Just to nitpick, because I think it’s better than how you described it; if I remember Byf’s explanation correctly then it’s more that we discover after thwarting the Vex’s primary plan of luring and trapping the subminds in the tower by killing the Siren, we discover that they had a secondary plan in place to blow the thing up after ensuring they’d gotten whatever data the Witness sent them to collect from it. It’s one of the most interesting (and more importantly, realized in-game) Vex plotlines I can genuinely remember since Perfect Paradox during the Taken King, with them now working directly under orders from the Witness itself to enact multiple plans with backups in place as well. Granted to what extent their goal was to trap the subminds versus collect the data versus blow up the facility is certainly up for discussion and ironing out the specifics with, but the fact stands that they had multiple plans at play together operating on different levels of… intention (I guess is the best word I can think of)

[@azap1378]

@@Boulder7685 thanks for the clarification, ill have to go watch the video. Another cool detail I just remebered was that in the large jumping section, you see the wyvern attempting to get past some doors, meaning the whole thing is in motion from the very beginning. Great attention to detail throughout.

[@Boulder7685]

@@azap1378 had an exact moment of realization of that Wyvern myself. Saw it the first go through, paid it little thought, then as soon as we went to replay it I saw it again and realized that was the boss and the only Wyvern in the entire dungeon.

[@underscore_5450]

In the first jumping puzzle you can look off to your right and see the final boss opening up doors and making his way towards the core. Pretty neat detail

[@Boulder7685]

@@underscore_5450 Bro you might be on to something

[@bob-859]

Did some damage testing of my own for the GL. Each grenade does about 0.625x the damage of a normal grenade. So if you land both you'll be doing about 25% more damage than another grenade launcher with the same roll.

[@Hlast1]

I really like the feeling of mastery in the encounters, especially in memorizing the positions of each wire node and figuring out the most efficient way to hit them all. Something about optimizing the movement there really gets my brain clicking. Extremely satisfying to go through it super fast

[@anthonypotamitis7049]

funny thing is that I so bad at memorizing things, that after doing it solo and then master with 2 friends for the title I still don't remember most of them lol.

[@zacharysmith8148]

I just completed the first two encounters with my brother (we stopped at the final boss because we had other stuff to do so can’t comment on that yet) but I gotta say I really loved it. I was always really upset D1 never had a raid, and this in a lot of ways was the spiritual successor to that. I think the story being told here (that of ascending up a tower) was SO cool. And the dungeon had an awesome name to match. Lastly, doing dungeons with just two people at all times (which is what me and my brother usually do) makes them a lot of fun. I think it always adds the right amount of zest to all of them. Right now, I think this and Grasp might be my two favorites.

[@Vino976]

D1 never had a raid?

[@zacharysmith8148]

@@Vino976 it never had anything on Mars, sorry for the confusion

[@steeltywars1]

Definitely enjoying this dungeon and first time running a dungeon again for more than just the pinnacle loot. It's quick in a good way that encounters and down time between them don't drag on which has been kind of an issue IMO with the more recent activities released recently.

[@ThaAlecman]

Playing something that doesn't have crafting encourages people to play it more. All the Duality runs I did for what I DID craft gave me something I couldn't--a blinding/Chill Clip Lingering Dread. Me getting that thing made me very happy, because it's unique and powerful and can't be crafted.

[@whiterose2321]

Short and sweet, I wish there was a triumph for beating it within a certain timeframe (like outlast 2’s speed run achievement)

[@Stoonks]

For the first encounter that gives you loot (the one where you climb the tower activating the circuit nodes) you can actually ignore EVERY enemy after the first minotaur because the timer refreshes 5 seconds every time you shoot a box.

[@TitanGainz]

In my blind run with Aksula it wasn’t hard to get the hang of the puzzle mechanics, but the bosses were a hefty challenge (given we were underleveled) this dungeon is really accessible and enjoyably short and sweet. The environments are really pretty too.

[@vesperizm]

I feel the exact inverse of how you feel. I love the first 2 encounters a lot and dislike the final encounter. I love the first encounter because I can do it very quickly solo and thats basically it. And then to me, the second encounter is the perfect balance of hard combat and fun mechanics. And then the final encounter feels like its one shot city while having my favorite use of the mechanics. My main gripes with the final encounter is the fact that suppy's are there with the wyvern boss. It makes it feel like you never get any breathing room with something able to one shot or get you very low health, always just around the corner. And I get that people like that, I just personally dont love having to be constantly jumping around so I dont die to suppys, but I still had tons of fun with the dungeon and will still be running it, just the final encounter gets on my nerves some times.

[@Gerkion1994]

Helpful tip: Supplicants spawn every time you complete a circuit, if you leave the first circuit just before shooting the final node and then complete the first and second one at the same time supplicants will not spawn, or they will spawn and despawn after a sec.

[@bragekv9937]

When doing the dungeon solo this is what i felt aswell. final room felt like it was too deadly for how long you had to be there. i get that tuning for solo and 3 ppl is very hard, but in this dungeon it felt really rough compared to the other ones.

[@mr.midnight8090]

I enjoy the transition of Datto no longer wearing glasses and seeing Jez wearing glasses 😊

[@window9213]

I finished my solo flawless today. Dear god the boss is such a nightmare. I would have had it on my first try but got architected by a minotaur that glitched out and landed inside of me.

[@xxxfirefart]

My first solo flawless attempt was ruined because I fell to my death on the fall through the shaft right before the final boss. I got it done later on, but damn that was annoying

[@CrossXNightmare]

Loving this dungeon. I've been craving a real "science-fiction" dungeon experience, since all the current ones have been more "fantasy". The atmosphere felt top notch honestly, and after multiple runs, it's still hitting really good. The major point that has stuck out to me about this dungeon is that it FEELS like playing an old-school FPS, like Half Life 2 or something. The mechanic feels ripped out a level, and the climb/descent of the Spire feels like something that would happen in a campaign level. Once you learn how it works, it comes naturally. You're running through the environment, solving puzzles and making progress. It's a feeling I haven't felt in Destiny in awhile, especially not it's general gameplay. Was a refreshing trip and I'm excited to do a lot more of this.

[@MattTheHuman9]

Funny you say Half Life 2 because it reminds me a lot of Portal 1 and 2 with all the platforming, man made facilities and isolating atmosphere. I guess it just gives off Valve vibes in a good way.

[@YaBoiSneedMan]

I really enjoyed spire. the location was dope, the mechanics were fun, and it's very different from the other ones which I really enjoy. the final boss is really cool as well

[@joisama]

I really liked it. My only big issue is the out of combat respawn timer. You just kinda end up afk while everyone else is platforming Edit: Also the Boss being actually dangerous is awesome. Like Rhulk but the whole time

[@danieldragotti2608]

The seven seraphim weapons can each get reconstruction. Pistol had vorple and rifle had swash and the new targeting perk that give a 40% damage buff.

[@pravihrvat699]

The solo flawless experience for this dungeon was brutal. With weakened clear and well of radiance damage being bugged, it took me 5 phases using Starfire/ demolitionist hothead. Without weakened clear and with the well damage bug being fixed, this will be a 10-phase final boss.

[@avidbrowser3547]

I think this is the only dungeon so far that I will actually be excited when someone asks me if i want to go do Percy again. It’s a really well crafted boss fight

[@Kidsnextdorks]

I was kind of hoping the boss on top of the spire was a big cyclops similar to Dendron or something instead of a boss we already have.

[@AceTheFox12]

I just realized, the pacing is that of a spaghetti western. You start have the draw at high noon middle of the town. Travel, deal with some goons, get the right hand man, get to the boss and it wild ducking dodging goons every where. And then it's done you've saved the day but not much fanfare.

[@seesidesummerhouse6112]

This is why cable management is important.

[@axelivan6587]

For me it wasn’t that they reused the harpy boss. Almost every dungeon has a reused boss asset. It’s that the boss’ mechanic is exactly the same as in the raid. So it feels even more samy

[@HampusAndersson]

I really enjoy this dungeon, both in theming and the encounters. Sure, it's easy, but action packed and straight to the point. Good enough for me tbh, and something I'd totally would use as an introduction for a friend if they wanted to start playing Destiny 2.

[@benhuckaby]

My day 1 experience (and currently only run) was a 2-man run while our regular 3rd man had dinner with his in-laws. We chipped Persys life ⅛ at a time, it was a long, but it was also never a slog, it was intense the entire time. Definitely my favorite first playthrough of a dungeon.

[@MCChibby]

not sure why this dungeon gets knocked for reusing siren but duality gets a pass for reusing galaran. As for the solo experience, having already done my solo flawless its the second easiest (behind GOA), the bosses take 5-7 phases solo which is a long time to not make a mistake and get cornered by supplicants but are easy otherwise. My one piece of advice is that the adds in the reactor room dont respawn until you open the middle door so if you need breather or a little space to recover you can go through the little doors once the hydra spawn and the boss cannot follow.

[@whiterose2321]

And prophecy gets a pass for reusing the lake of shadows strike boss, grasp has a giant ogre and captain that we’ve definitely never seen before ever 😭

[@Summerstitch539]

I don’t think they necessarily “get a pass” but rather this was the straw that seems to be breaking the camels back, so to speak.

[@kasm7870]

Duality’s Gahlran doesn’t have the exact same mechanics as Gahlran in Crown. Also, Gahlran’s small form is just a Cabal Bather. The Siren has the exact same “shoot eyes, then I run away” as Consecrated Mind.

[@titanawesome611]

@@kasm7870 however the mechanic is still overall different in spire then garden, they just included the minor mechanic it has during damage, Galron still aggressively attacks you, the ogre in shattered still shoots taken orbs, the lake of shadows boss still pushes you with his shield, etc. They all don’t have anything unique except the overall mechanic you use to get to damage and the harpy is no different if that makes sense

[@MrJakeasaur98]

@@kasm7870 Also, Siren is still in the game. GoS is still in the game. Crown of Sorrows is not. Personally, it doesn't bother me, but I have to admit that I've noticed practically everything this season is reused from past content. We've got Bunkers from Season of the Worthy, we've got Cryptoliths from Season of the Hunt. We've got a giant shrieker boss in the first week that's ripped straight out of the vaulted Savathun's Song strike. We've also got Warmind nodes to collect straight from the Warmind expansion. Even then, the only reason this bothers me is because there appears to be very little original content / new additions, aside from the Dungeon environment and some of its gear (I'm not OK at all with them reusing seraph weapons in the loot pool when there are other seraph weapons in the WORLD loot pool currently), the seasonal weapons, part of the bunkers and the story itself. All that said it's very early in the season, so we don't know what else is coming yet. But its a very short season, and we've also got the Dawning festival taking up a fair bit of time. I'm not expecting much length from the story, nor anything significantly new in any other bunker destinations we visit. It's very clear that Bungie spent very little time on the season compared to earlier seasons, but then again there's been a noticeable trend of reused content throughout this year, compared to last year's seasons. I hope this means that we can expect a sizeable update when Lightfall launches, because overwise I have to wonder what Bungie have been working on. They've clearly shown they can do more, with last year's seasons and the Witch Queen expansion, and whilst I appreciate their desire not to overdeliver and increase our expectations, presently our expectations are seeing the game move in a downwards trend. Not that I speak for everyone of course. Sorry for piggybacking off of my initial reply to your comment. Just my two cents on the current situation in Destiny.

[@ScrawnyClownSnatch]

I will say, the first loot encounter (climbing the tower) can be done RIDICULOUSLY fast. I’ve been farming it for the hat (I’m at over 60 runs fyi, kill me) and the cp holder typically finished loading back in, by the time I’ve done the first floor (2 maning it btw).

[@skullbucket819]

I don't think this dungeon has problems until you get to the first boss. First bit is teaching you about the main mechanic, first encounter builds on the mechanic by adding some at times very dicey platforming, especially if you're as bad as me. The first boss, besides the copy and paste job, essentially does a big taken phalanx blast at the end of a damage phase. I find this to be a problem because, on titan and warlock, it is very difficult to recover from getting booped off, and on hunter, you have one or two jumps to reverse trajectory, otherwise you're dead. Once we get grappling abilities in lightfall this may be more forgivable, on strand subclasses specifically. I was soloing the first boss and I got him down to half health, but at the end of one of the damage phases I tripped over my shoelaces and fell into one of the gaps in the platform right as the boss booped, and because destiny physics are actually a cruel trick by baphomet, I ate [redacted] and wiped. I eventually beat him, and made my way to Mr. Wyvern. My one complaint with the final boss is the supplicants, they are extremely annoying regardless of class or subclass (maybe sans stasis as I was running well in my solo) because they love to hug your feet and detonate extremely quickly. My strat for now is to actually run up to them, jump, and immediately icarus dash backwards, otherwise a bow tends to one-shot if you hit their eyes. Good-ish dungeon, sometimes super obnoxious mechanics and elements that make me wanna throw my monitor out a window.

[@nightismonochrome]

Probably my favorite dungeon to date mechanic wise (although I haven't played grasp yet). The mechanic felt clear, concise, and very easy to figure out. It focuses on gunplay more than "kill this, pick this up, maybe dunk it here" like most of the other dungeons. I think of it like a wild west gunslinger target practice time trial. My first experience was blind solo, and I've gotten the solo flawless (suffered at the last boss a lot I will say), but learning to get through each encounter/phase with only one buff felt very rewarding. Akelous felt like a preface to the second mechanic as you had to shoot all the red eyes very quickly, just like lighting up red wires quickly. Slightly upset that it was a recycled asset, but I'm thinking it fit perfectly because of how similar it is to the actual dungeon mechanics. Rapidly popping the all the eyes quickly by one tapping them with something like a sidearm or a hard hitting trace rifle. Feels good. Only thing is the final boss was a bit of a slog because of how much health it had, but I think mixing the red and yellow wire mechanic was great.

[@DragonKnight90001]

My hopes of desperado appearing on a scout in the future has doubled.

[@bottlekn1ght202]

imagine smth like archer's tempo on a scout or hand cannon...

[@seanslaysean7097]

I say screw it and give it on an auto/LMG, give me breakneck 2.0

[@dylangross3702]

Finally, my new opinion dropped!

[@liquidrufus]

Got two seraph guns and armor my first run. Second run....all armor. Really tempered my excitement.

[@FallingOutTheSky]

I wasn’t sure about this dungeon at first, but it’s grown on me a lot. No rng is a nice change and the mechanics are nice since it’s different from “dunk here” or “stand here”. I also don’t mind the re-used boss anymore cause I find it more fun than the GOS version tbh. The final boss might be one of my favorite dungeon encounters as well. Good video Datto 👍

[@Boris_The_Turtle]

They could have at least changed the color of it. Maybe even changed the moss on the vex because it doesn't fit the environment like it does in Garden.

[@teaganpatel3790]

I love how you brought up Warming cells because... they can actually activate the nodes if you have the buff! I haven't done it myself personally, it seems like a very easy way to speed up encounters for anyone who wants to!

[@MrElmo54321]

One other thing, if you fall in Spire during the jumping puzzles, you can still attempt to catch up vs force to be pulled as you need to shoot the bell & screw your team over

[@adoboflakes8473]

As this is the first dungeon I've attempted to do blind and solo, it's not too bad of an experience. The hardest part in this dungeon imo are the supplicants as you're trying to power the nodes at the final boss room. Those little shitters are pretty agile and they can sneak up behind you sometimes since they don't make any noise when they move around. The only time they make a sound is when they're about to blow up.

[@Palgrave]

Longarm has a neat interaction with Compulsive Reloader: because it loads per bullet (2 shots per) it loads at the normal rate until you reach 8 shots, then it loads at the increased rate. This happens on every reload, and it loads extremely fast if you proc Tex Custom Stock as well.

[@sherlockfowl2400]

Ngl, even though returning the Seventh Seraph weapons was generally not too well received, I was super happy because not only could I farm for a seventh seraph hc for amazing lucky pants synergy, but now it has reconstruction Vorpal. Also, the carbine is my favorite for hitting the nodes, so overall I liked them

[@mr-nimbus]

Grand Overture actually worked really well for the final boss for solo flawless. If you prepare a rocket burst beforehand, and still have 20 rounds, you can get off the rocket burst, all 20 rounds, and another full rocket burst before the phase ends. I had a few scuffed damage phases and took around 7-8 total, but if you can consistently get all the damage off it could be done in as little as 5, maybe even 4 with the right buffs/debuffs. Heavy ammo economy was okay with 2 Finders + 1 Scavenger, though farming for heavy ammo was still definitely the most time consuming aspect. Also for those unaware: Grand Overture rockets can actually be stored up by hits on immune enemies, so a rocket burst can be prepared by shooting the boss before the damage phase.

[@darthmaul3998]

I have a friend who basically figured everything out the first day and just did all the mechanics for me when I joined him Saturday after the raid came out and the error codes stopped, and I had fun figuring out where to go until we got to the boss. The rooms aren’t big, there’s a ton of ads and most of them are explosive units, and the giant chicken chasing you and stomping on you, AND the fact that it’s set at 1590 on top of everything was just too much for me. None of us had the seasonal mod and I don’t like everything I can’t two or three phase. The challenge of it makes me want to go back to it though. Other than that I had fun throughout the whole thing and I think the solo mod will help me if I decide to actually solo it

[@BetaMind]

I think my fireteams biggest criticism is that the dungeon felt too short but in a good way. We wanted more of it. The first encounter really just felt like a more platform intense version of the opener, with less than a minute to get to the second encounter. Even 2nd to third encounter is shorter than getting to the first encounter so you just finish what I think is a fun dungeon too fast. But at the same time, who knows maybe it wouldn't be as fun if it was a bit longer

[@friendlyneighborhoodclown7754]

I absolutely love the opening with the lone vex in the middle of the road with buildings on each side and the tumbleweed rolling. Very funny. Just wish the beginning was just a hard as the end.

[@duo1666]

I like this dungeon a lot. It seems to be more of a sweet spot for the casual base and LFG base, as well as a great intro to dungeons dungeon, with mechanics more visually obvious than prophecy, which is something that dungeons were still largely missing from their group.

[@raiden8919]

I like the progression of this dungeon, as in starting from a different physical location and actually going to the site of interest.

[@underscore_5450]

This dungeon really reminded me of the Deadman's mission in a way. Like an activity where the focus is on the first run and less on replayability. I'm definitely not put off from a more simple dungeon but I do understand why some may be.

[@jpw547]

I personally really want the grenade launcher because it comes with Repulsor Brace so comboing that with Weakened Clear means endless void over shields that have been buffed to give 50% damage resist

[@yesterxyear]

perfect solve for the seventh seraph weapons being replaced in the dungeon is to just reissue breakneck and trust in their place, everyone would be happy with that imo.

[@vantheunemployed503]

As a mostly solo, occasional duo player of destiny, I've never done a single raid of destiny 2 so the 1st boss encounter is very new to me. I can understand the pain full teams feel when looking at the same boss just in a different location. Also, I want to be easy on Bungie for "reusing content" when we're so close to getting light fall now. They probably just have more assets on that but still need to keep us busy till then. In all I like this dungeon, its quick to farm and gets us to the content we want, the boss fights. The first boss could use a little work with the mechanic but the final boss, thats good. I like what they did with that

[@yoshigottagun]

What I love about this dungeon is its "speedrun ability". It feel like once you get it down its a super quick experience. In and out in a half hour with the action never really taking a break.

[@No_Context_Thoughts]

The wilderflight with blinding nades essentially gives you a bigger blinding radius because there is two explosions

[@pearson674]

as usual I agree 100% I liked pretty much everything and you describing the final boss as "a dance" was exactly how I felt the first time I completed it in like 30 seconds. when i saw the first boss though.... "oh, its just the garden boss.... wow" at least remove the eyes or add more then one new attack.

[@emberthecatgirl8796]

I love the dungeon. 1st encounter is short and sweet, 2nd encounter reuses a boss that was done dirty by the raid it’s in and the 3rd encounter is hands down the best and most farmable dungeon encounter to date. And it drops double loot! Only thing I’d change is decrease health for the eyes on the harpy and add a Heavy Ammo spawn every time you start DPS in the third one. Kind of like in Gambit, just 2-3 rockets.

[@danielwareking]

Good dungeon! I can see the connect the dots stuff getting old but also once you're at that point you'll be flying through that stuff so quickly that I don't feel like it'll be boring. Really love the verticality of the whole thing, the constant climb up to the top is a cool motif.

[@cherryredinterloper8520]

I got a Reconstruction Swash Carbine and it's pretty dope, it has like no recoil and has a huge mag when Reconstruct is at max

[@adummy9664]

Honestly the dungeon didn't feel short to me, rather it felt "fast" instead if that makes sense, but I also spent 11 hours doing a solo clear on day one so that may have skewed my perception. It's a VERY intense solo experience to be sure because doing the mechanics require you to look away from the enemies and everything is focusing on you, like you basically can't hit nodes while the boss is chasing you in the final encounter so you have to constantly flip which room you're in to make sure you don't get nuked. First encounter was still kinda easy though, like easier than the gateway encounter I'd say but it had more of an emphasis on platforming so that's probably why combat was more toned down. I'd say overall I agree it's hard for me to rank Dungeons, because to me Dungeons as whole are S-tier content and I'm really happy that we're getting them more regularly now. (One Dungeon a year just didn't feel like enough before.)

[@juanjox2006]

i feel like prophecy its in the more extreme of "do a 5-7 min prep for a boss phase that only lasts 1-2 minutes and then resert if u mess up" kind of thing Datto mentions

[@LizardMan8675309]

The only thing I don’t love about the final boss for this dungeon is just how fast supplicants are, I wish they’d either stagger easier, be a little slower , or do less damage in the explosion. The combination is really infuriating at times when you’re being bullied by the boss and one sneaks up behind you for the kill. Just my pain point?

[@AishasEmbrace]

I realized why I liked the final boss even if I died a fuck ton. It's a metal gear boss fight. Like, it's literally the Metal Gear Rex fight.

[@clayless8701]

This dungeon is one of my favorite activities in the game rn, I love this along with DSC and Shattered Throne for how quick and easy they are, it's really fun to run them with my friends

[@samuelclippard420]

The GL can roll with repulsor brace and frenzy which feels pretty nice with a good build, especially void titan

[@smoke9047]

My favorite part of the dungeon is when I got the Exotic bow and a really good roll on the Grenade launcher on my first run so now I probably won’t run it that much lol.

[@plan8067]

The seventh seraph carbine can get Target Locked at least. It felt pretty good to use but haven't used it enough to really be sure if it'll be good in the long run

[@wintereclipse3263]

It seems like it can get decent perks but the issue is that it's both an auto and a 450 auto with auto's being pretty bad and 450 ones being some of the worst weapons ingame currently.

[@theavostear7726]

I really like that harpy boss, its so unique and new, we've never seen a boss done like that ! 100% worth every dollar

[@heazzy6184]

The seventh seraph weps ruined my first run becuase I got only chests and the revolver. But on my second run I got the gl which I’ve absolutely loved because of the second grenade allows for some stupid nuts damage with spike nades.

[@Earldom7]

I gotta disagree with the speed at which the duality boss can be dealt with. At our best, we were wiping the floor with the whole boss encounter with a record 3 minutes and thirty ish seconds, with the bells taking no more than 2 mins if going at a rapid pace. If we were to mess it up, it would take as long as the spires boss encounter mechanic, equating to around 2 minutes. While I do prefer spire more in terms of pacing and overall fun factor, saying duality is slightly worse due to mechanic time isn’t particularly valid (and yes I could just be an elitist or something idk and if that’s the case just ignore this comment altogether).

[@ajaxdonqueso9597]

Thank you for putting into words why I loved this dungeon, but couldn't explain it. It's short, it's intense, it's got mechanics that keep you engaged, and it's not a huge time investment like some of the others.

[@burns0100]

The auto rifle from the this has a perk combo that reloads the mag over time to double the size so like 64 rounds and a perk that the longer you fire at the same target the more damage you deal. It's a monster and does some work in pvp too. All of the weapons from the dungeon have some strong rolls. I really liked this dungeon, I find it fun to run it with people and don't mind teaching as well. It's nice.

[@dresdenwarlock7978]

Spire is my favorite, not for uniqueness or speed, but because of setting and new interactions. Every Dungeon has been largely in caves and/or dark nothingness, with ball mechanics, or buff stacking.. people being upset over the switches confounds me. Also the boss is one of the most unique battles there is in the game.

[@seza9240]

I solo’d up until the last encounter blind. It was so easy but I like that. I don’t enjoy Duality especially lfg. Every other dungeon is pretty easy lfg but duality is so annoying and Spire is going to be fun to run just with how I don’t have to think very hard while doing it.

[@TheKevit07]

I'm just glad to play a dungeon where the mechanics aren't bugged or finicky. Duality has a bug with the bells that can cause a wipe...and Prophecy's light and dark areas tend to be iffy in most areas. This dungeon had some crashes in the beginning, but after Bungie did it's trick with the API, I ran it multiple times no problem. No major bugs that cause wipes like Duality, and no "you weren't standing in the right spot" like Prophecy. No major bugs = major fun.

[@superdupermatt1986]

I did the dungeon on Sunday, and grasp of avarice being my first dungeon I really REALLY enjoyed this one. More than I expected to. Duality is just fraught with bugs that take a lot of enjoyment out of it (but duality was also the go-to dungeon during my full blown grind phase so I know I was also burned out from it). Grasp is fun for me but it's driven by nostalgia as it's my first dungeon (just as Vault is my favourite raid and it's the best raid and nobody can change my mind). This dungeon FELT quick, really enjoyed the mechanics and the middle boss being copy/paste from garden didn't really matter to me. BUT ask me again in 6 weeks when I'm still trying to get my cowboy hat.

[@johnthomas4868]

Your comment about the exotic bow dropping really hit close to home. Despite running Duality on multiple characters every week since the dungeon came out, I have yet to get the sword to drop.

[@benjaminaltube8731]

I love how you didn't even mention pit of heresy in your dungeons list

[@malevolentmoose]

As a solo player, my biggest criticism is the massive difficulty jump between the encounters. The first was weirdly easy, not much different from the opening section (and with another person farmable in like 2 minutes per run), the second was a bit lengthy but not too difficult and the third was straight up impossible at my current power level, at least in a reasonable amount of time. The wire mechanics are decent although will probably get tedious after a while. Other than that and loot/boss reuse it's a good dungeon, certainly on par with the other ones for me.

[@careydaniels310]

Honestly, I like that it’s short and easy to memorize, it makes me feel like I’ve actively improved going through it multiple times. I don’t really mind boss assets being reused, I’d rather they reuse cool bosses that aren’t seen enough otherwise. I’d prefer them to direct their attention to other things and save their energy in certain areas.

[@ADUSN]

Cope

[@somedude1887]

@@ADUSN Mald harder bud

[@zacharysmith8148]

I LOVE the sense of mastery here

[@ADUSN]

@@somedude1887 I'm not the one rationalizing paying for the same assets again.

[@ADUSN]

@@JL32506 Noone is being attacked, Luke.

[@metalwaffle8064]

I did my Master Mode run Saturday at 1589 light. I gotta say, that final boss was the most difficult encounter since probably master exhibition

[@Bagel920]

The shorter final boss feels so great especially on Master mode, one of the reasons I never did Master Duality was just because it took so long to finish the final boss, compared to Grasp being streamlined. This time I’m definitely artifice farming with a team on the final boss since we can finish a run in less than 10 minutes

[@TheDarkkilla12]

I’m going to sound like a complainer, but I want to say it: The dungeon would be fine if the two weapons in the paid content in the game didn’t have two rediscovered weapon from a damn year ago. And because of that, I’m not touching the dungeon. I do not mind having specific loot be part of a dungeon, that is the lure for people who want to do the dungeon and don’t mind paying for it. But the Seventh Seraph guns didn’t need to be in this loot pool. It literally would have fit more in this season’s weapon pool, not a paid dungeon that had two guns from over a year ago. Let me specify, I know the dungeon from the Nine did bring back old guns, but those guns were sunset and it fit the theme and lore of the dungeon itself, hence why I’d didn’t mind it too bad. If they wanted to bring some of the older season guns into the dungeon, take Season Of Undying. At least the Vex themed guns would have made sense there given what we fight. But I digress. Point is, the loot for the Seventh Seraph being in a dungeon for a set of weapons that are not even that old….I’ll have to pass. I have my own roll for the Carbines and the HC and I’ll pass on this content.

[@Maewtwo]

Enjoyed my first run thru. No bow but managed to bag the scout, sidearm, grenade launcher and machine gun 💪

[@dirtycajual]

LOL never mentions Pit of Heresy while being "nostalgic" about dungeons. I often forget its a thing, too.

[@Bugattiboy912]

Persys IS a slog, but not the for reasons people might not expect. It's true you can get to a damage in a couple minutes, but you'll spend exponentially longer farming for heavy because the heavy ammo economy in this dungeon utterly terrible. It seriously needs a buff.

[@MG-Makes]

Got the bow on my first run blind which felt great and never happened to me before! It's a fun bow but a little mechanical and complex for practical use, fun for lower level stuff. The guidance rings look and function awesome, and multiple bows can use the same ring which is extra cool.

[@EsuEsuEsuuu]

seventh seraph revolver rolls with reconstruction which is crazy ngl

[@myonlyfriendtheend4958]

fun fact about the auto it can roll with reconstruction and target lock meaning you can double the mag and get a 50% dmg boost

[@absolutemenace7754]

Best dungeon experience because the control is 100% in how well you can get at master the few mechanics in the dungeon.

[@HD_COLT]

you can get repulser brace on the dungeon gl. pair that with weaken clear and the buff to void over shields giving 50% damage reduction, you can on any class and subclass have a 50% damage reduction shield on demand at all times. it is phenomenal and people haven’t figured it out yet. it’s gonna be a staple for day 1 raids i believe.

[@induvalent5]

Personally, I'm a huge fan. I really enjoy the aestetic along with every encounter. Every single thing makes me feel engaged. I don't feel like I'm forced to slave through certain mechanics and although they are straightforward, they still bring excitement with the large amount of ads. The pacing also feels really good where I can get it done pretty quickly, but not so fast that everything feels like a blur. Lastly, with the part about reusing bosses, I'm not really a fan either, but people are so uncreative. Like this boss wiped your team a lot. And the vex think it is powerful enough to guard whatever the GOS is. Why wouldn't they reproduce it and make more on the same scale? Like they mass produce goblins and ads, so why would they not build another model of a protector of vex secrets? I think that's its kind of cool, sure it's bold to copy paste, but I think if you think about it, it can be a fun but of information to wrap your head around. Edit: For crafted weapons, I agree there is a lot, and random rolls become kinda pointless if everyone is using the same crafted God roll. But it makes the game less enjoyable for me when I run a dungeon near 50 times and have all horrible rolls. Like the other day, I was cleaning my vault and I had 27 Jurrassic greens, none of which were good in the slightest. There was one roll that was interesting, but I was really shooting for the new pvp God roll. Which I didn't get. And I know that example doesn't align with dungeons, but that's on an easier scale. I ran only the required amount of 30 to get the title guilded, and had a bunch. Meanwhile I have less of a chance during a longer duration in dungeons. The odds falter immensely out of my favor in dungeons.