Destiny 2 - WHAT GHOSTS ACTUALLY ARE!

[@CJWIJZ]

But in the end, they’re just the realest homies in the system.

[@DominusNox106]

True. Our best buddies.

[@grzegorzflorek5623]

Immaru

[@ecci0261]

The Traveller drags you from death, makes you somewhat immortal, and then you’re tasked with killing gods. The least it could do is give you a buddy.

[@polarispm]

Gilgamesh wasn’t very cool

[@MrPheenomz]

A true ride or die 🙏🏾real OG

[@thermalrain_yt9725]

Anyone else get that weird burning in your eyes like when cutting onions when Sundance said "If thats the fate you make." To Cayde?

[@SlimothyJames03]

Yeah man, lots of onions were being cut during that scene.

[@mikael100100]

The ninjas were cutting onions again...

[@2FastG]

I’m not crying you are

[@jam-etc]

it's been hard to listen to everything our ghost says this entire campaign, with this horrifying forboding that he's saying everything he can, while he can. I said this elsewhere but, while everyone's constantly arguing about whether the traveler can speak or if it ever will or why it never does, I'm like, what are you talking about? it talks to us every day.

[@Spr0ket]

13:52 Traveller literally said "bruh you made yourself into one so just to piss you off I'm gonna make myself into an army and defeat you" Ultimate disrespect, like telling your friend he's walking wrong way and when he starts arguing just walking off into correct direction

[@Devil0027]

I felt like that was the Traveler talking to Cayde, just in the form of Sundance cause that’s what he understood. That’s how the Witness was able to interrupt the connection so abruptly, cause it was already torturing the Traveler. The Witness merged many to make one all powerful, the Traveler fragmented from one to make many all powerful

[@realnoble676]

Agree about it being the traveler talking to cayde since it straight up says “im what you wanted me to be” in response to cayde “is that really you?” In the lore for ergo sum, it refers to traveler being confused, not understanding how to communicate with humanity which could be why whenever we make contact, it’s always through visions. It doesn’t know how to communicate, it also doesn’t understand basic things like why humans worship it, why we question it not doing anything.

[@jesseritchie9282]

All for one, and one for all! Go plus ultra!

[@williamchapman3435]

@@jesseritchie9282beat me to it lol

[@DarthDragon007]

@@realnoble676 It should be happy with me then cause I'm one of those who don't care that it sits there silent and only communes with visions. It brought me back to life and let me choose my own destiny. It had done more than enough in my eyes.

[@amaurys93]

That was insightful thank you for sharing

[@lilvampire7439]

The creation of ghosts was almost a reverse of the creation of the Witness. One being splitting into several individuals instead of several individuals merging into one being

[@avalokiteshvara113]

Exactly, if you think about what was said in TFS "everything that light touches returns to the light", the ghosts we have are potentially previous civilizations touched by the Gardener

[@thatguy2920]

@@nittani.the witness is a civilization that combined into one being, vs the traveler was one being who split their energy into multiple beings.

[@Grayves_X]

​@@nittani.Well at least with this idea it means that when we destroy the hive ghosts we are returning a part of the Traveler back to it

[@Burblekut]

​@Grayves_X yep that would make sense what comes from the light returns to the light

[@gianninelito]

Crying for the ghosts who have not found their guardian and feel alone 😢

[@agure4061]

They will, the traveler knows the light they're giving and who to. It's just a matter of time.

[@sanzo669]

Just like in real life, we will all find the one person that means more to us then anything in this universe, and it doesnt matter if its romantic or not

[@JustaUser82nd]

The most emotional cutscene I’ve seen, playing the first Destiny with friends I’ve lost (rest in peace…), clearing through Crota’s end with them, and King’s fall.. man, the only best friend that stayed was our Ghost in the game. Kept in touch with the other friends I met in LFG, 2 of them I served with, met them in person and we still hung around. 10 years comes a long way… That cutscene really hit home for us, I hope it did for all of you guys ❤️🙌🙏💯 eyes up guardians

[@NeroLucifarious]

Ok so ill admit. When our ghost got revived i was tearing up bad, and when he said "there you are" i responded with "yea..you found me."

[@BrumeNoire]

NGL that moment when your ghost dies was hard on my feelings, after all this time side by side it's become a part of your character. I knew from the beginning of the season that Cayde wasn't gonna be here indefinitely, it was foreshadowed and the detail that gave it away for me was the light in his eyes, pure white light just like the Traveler's instead of its original light blue hue. I'm sad that Cayde "sacrifices" itself but at the same time I'm relieved because he's at peace and chose his own fate and my closest friend, my ghost gets to survive and stay with me. I'm grateful for the Bungie team, devs, designers, scenarists etc, they all delivered so much for The Final Shape and the story was touching in many ways. I'm curious as to what we'll uncover in the first Echoes episode but the part I'm the most hyped for is the 3rd episode, Heresy with the hive gods. I've always felt like the Dreadnaught still had some part to play, looming there, forgotten.

[@DarkSaitama]

So the Veil made many into one and the traveler made 1 into many, that poetic.

[@wwr90]

This is the most beautiful story Destiny has told

[@J-Vasa]

I think this lends itself to theory that ghosts are souls of those who died before the collapse. When people die their souls go inside the traveller as long as they embraced the light. Don’t necessarily need light powers, but just have a connection with the traveller. And people in the golden age did, thats how the traveller was able to bring in a golden age. But during the collapse, the traveller put the most intelligent into ghosts, then they went out and to find their guardian. A guardian who had bravery and was willing to sacrifice themselves for others. Thus making a pair. Ghosts and guardians are both dead people from the collapse and before. But they cant remember anything.

[@alter6243]

This is a good point for that theory. I personally believe that the Ghosts are a form of souls from the precursor race who gave themselves into the becoming the Witness. This would help to explain the moral complexity of some of our Ghosts and Guardians. Imaru was a jerk of a Ghost well before he resurrected Savathun as confirmed by our Ghost.

[@inFayt_Lies]

There’s an AU fanfic I discovered that perfectly captures what the Ghosts are. Titanomach chapter 34, I believe. To paraphrase, they’re like echoes of their Guardians. When they choose a partner, they gain their traits & sliver of personality. Ghosts became mirrors, a reflection of their Guardians’ souls. This is why they complement each other.

[@JPman761]

Gotta disagree here, as there are many ghosts who do not commute. Ikoras ghost especially, she does not like Ikora. But only stays with her for the better of humanity, they barely speak, her ghost is cold, distant, and sad. Ikora is talkative, bright and joking.

[@Aeon3]

I like to think they’re people who died in the collapse and had their souls saved by the traveler.

[@RathOfRey]

That’s so lovely, I really hope you are right

[@BungieStudios]

I like to think our Guardian was blown off the wall while fighting the Darkness or protecting someone in their original life, landing in the mess of cars and panicked civilians below.

[@andhrimnir04]

I was expecting Ghost to die at the end, but even still, I cried for the first time playing Destiny when our little buddy died saving the universe.

[@S9staryu]

10:49 oh man, the moment Sundance said, "Hi," my eyes started welling up

[@RathOfRey]

I love my ghost so much, genuinely was shattered when I thought I lost him, I wasn’t even worried about my light just my little buddy. I even named him Clanker in honour of my favourite clone wars meme

[@rickyrackx8928]

Evaze, 4 videos I would like you to do: Full story of the Cabal Full story of what exactly happened in the collapse Full story of the Vex Full story of the Hive

[@DaveXXX]

I feel like the full story of the Vex is gonna be one of the last things able to really be totally covered in Destiny. There's a lot we dont entirely know or understand I think. Everything else has been pretty expanded on for the most part, maybe besides how the Witness truly caused the collapse. The Vex are so fascinating to me I'm looking forward to that chapter closing in a way

[@thetruchaos]

Bro that new orbit soundtrack hit different now we defeated the witness.

[@joshw.2739]

Does that mean guardians killed by thorn or hive rituals that drained light are just straight up denied an afterlife?

[@avalokiteshvara113]

probably, those weapons are called weapons of sorrow for a reason

[@Cybron2099]

​@@avalokiteshvara113 I'd say not. Specifically because Sundance, Cayde's ghost, was shot by a bullet of sorrow, but she still exists inside the traveler

[@avalokiteshvara113]

@@Cybron2099 you're a absolutely correct. My bad!

[@Cybron2099]

@@avalokiteshvara113 np ^^

[@The_Armorer.1]

I guarantee you that Ghosts are our souls. They lack the knowledge of their origins like us and are only allowed to resurrect a specific person. Uldren never had a Ghost until he died in forsaken. The traveler (upon entering Sol) has some kind of ability to harness all lost souls and then put them into Ghosts- to then bring back specific people to defend it. This theory makes the most sense!

[@h13n12]

but uldren's ghost glint have existed since the traveler made all ghost. do you suggest that uldren lost his soul somehow while still being alive?

[@timtim6373]

Would also explain the name too since people believe ghosts are the souls of people who have unfinished business or died a horrific death

[@slingshotnerd]

I don’t think they’re necessarily *our* soul, but they’re probably souls of other people or beings

[@eggshapedisraelioperative6317]

Ghosts aren’t necessarily tied to one person. They can give up searching for their true guardian and bond with someone who is just suitable

[@tsunertoo9149]

I think you are looking the right way butforthe wrongconclusion personally. I don't think the ghosts are our souls,I do think that our ghosts are the souls of someone we might have KNOWN though. I believe that due to Cayde talking about what he felt when he died. It felt like him and Sundance were the combined, functioning as one. On top of that he wasn't surrounded by darkness but by blinding light. It mademeponderifCayde couldhave been on his way to becoming a ghost, but he was stopped by Uldren's wish.

[@xariyl]

"with each one's passing, a part of me returns." Savathun is intentionally "sacrificing" her lucent hive -- tricking us into fighting them, and destroying them -- as a way to give their Light back to the Traveler, to make it strong again.

[@murray5566]

Imagine if we still had Dinklebot after all this time... our guardian might have just told Cayde not to bother.

[@UncensoredGT]

I feel like Rohan fit the resurrection rules pretty well, wonder if he'll ever be turned into a Guardian, probably not tho.

[@tsunertoo9149]

I'd think that was cool,butsome how it seems most or no ghosts could get to neptune really and their powers relied on the veil, so it could maybe cause some issues if they tried to sync up.

[@acgearsandarms1343]

He doesn’t have remains to revive except his core so I don’t think he can. He knew it hat he was giving up so that wouldn’t really honor the sacrifice he made. Would be cool if he was one, but it wouldn’t be the same guy.

[@kaj413]

I have always felt the creation of Ghosts was way more complex. What I believe happened was Clovis used his tech to create ghosts in a last ditch effort to fight the Witness, or the Darkness, to pinch off pieces of the Light and to act as repositories of that power and enable the resurrection of warriors while also keeping that Light from returning to the Traveler and crossing that final barrier. Since he used Darkness, Veil, inspired tech to capture and contain that energy, that is why the Witness was able to harness that connection and enter the Traveler. Without the Ghost, they never would have made it inside without riding the Veil into it with both the Traveler and Veil reunited as one.

[@dengjiaming6557]

So the witness combined and the traveler split and shared…

[@maimer1691]

Yes you're right The Witness merged many into one being, to become one singular powerful being. While the Traveler split into multiple beings it seems, to give power to many.

[@christianyaerger1751]

I used to think Ghosts were the result of consciousnesses of the Witness being separated from the collective by the Light, having their memory wiped, and funneled into fragments of the Traveler. That this was why the Witness left, for fear of destruction, until it could find a way to subdue the Traveler to enact its plans. It would have continued the theme of irrational forgiveness we'd seen before.

[@LSB44446]

The cutscene with Ghosts coming out of the Travelere reminded me of pollen

[@drsaddomia]

The Veil was in the solar system during the Collapse. So it stands to reason that after repelling the Black Fleet, the Traveler used its link with the Veil to create the Ghosts.

[@SoaringxDragon]

Makes sense since the Veil is consciousness along with the connection for how the Witness can possess the Ghosts.

[@soundcloudpandapandawa2997]

A new change to the rules of the Flower Game between the Gardner and the Winnower

[@drsaddomia]

@soundcloudpandapandawa2997 Hmm, yeah. Unveiling didn't really spell out what the new rule was,other than it rewarding complexity, only that the Gardner and the Winnower could influence the game through that rule.

[@ZachGorman10372]

Ghost is a D1 Homie

[@marceloraion]

keep the good work guardian!

[@glitchyfox8706]

Sonthing to point out is when a ghost dies it goes back to the traveler. Also their risen does aswell so if all ghosts died then their risen aswell the traveler would have more then it started with. Also with the darkness in the traveler setteling aswell i think the traveler is going to be very interesting in the future

[@riatsila144]

Once again, we see the Gardener and the Winnower's ideologies at play. The Winnower seeks simplicity by whittling down to a singular perfect outcome, consolidating power to one entity. The Gardener sees beauty and strength in complexity and multiplicity, spreading her power to many. Tetrahedrons are the simplest three dimensional objects, spheres are complex and infinitely subdividable. Sword Logic vs. Bomb Logic.

[@Pandaman735]

Well said! 👏👏👏

[@RenatoLucenaLVL]

I'm still wanting some answers what's the tree of silver wings is all about

[@juannavejas6510]

Unrelated to this video. But during the ghost recovery mission on the pyramid on the moon. It hints that like many believe, Nezerac is still alive

[@synthetik_soul]

@Evaze have you finished the lost ghosts missions? Some juicy dialogue about Cayde and Maya Sundaresh

[@MICROKNIGHT3000]

Which dialogue? I cant recall but I played it. Can u quote me?

[@ghostpsb]

Love your videos bro

[@redjackets1337]

6:30-6:50 I do actually like how Osiris takes on a teacher role to Nimbus as much as I don’t like Nimbus I do think that there is potential for the character

[@macgaither2140]

the way the ghost describes birth is the exact same way cayde describes his own. Given that Cayde operated as a quasi-ghost, I think the reason ghosts find their particular guardian is because that guardian is THEM before they died. The ghost is the soul of the risen guardian.

[@ravindavinthescandinavian4998]

Crazy thought but here’s my train of thought: The Witness uses the Veil/Darkness to absorb all of his race into one being, seeking purpose. During snd since the amalgamation, anything that went against the plan was culled (the Dissenters) from the whole. What if the culled were gathered in by the Traveller and, in its final stand against the Witness, it unleashed all those souls in the form of Ghosts, to seek out worthy humans who would be able to stand against the Darkness as Guardians. So in my view it’s possible the Ghosts contain the souls of the Dissenters but they had no memory of ever being part of the Witness’s race until the Guardians entered the Traveller and started seeing visions of the veiled statues. I know it’s a nonsense theory but it just dawned on me when Evaze talked about how the Ghosts were created in a final act by the Traveller before it went dormant.

[@Tanky-j3w]

During the final campaign mission there are plants which are ordered in the encounters. I wonder if that’s connected to the flower game

[@pyr0lyZer]

Where do you get these traveler visions?

[@TheeTiten]

I feel like, when the gardener said they were gonna change the rules of the game by being more active in another excerpt that was that was the birth of the traveler or ghosts. Funny enough Rick n Morty may have been on to something when they tried to use heave as an energy source which might kinda be what the traveler is, a manifestation of the afterlife or at least heaven in the universe of Destiny, that empowers those it deems worthy for the sake of itself and the universe

[@blazeoftherazgrizsquadron9306]

My theory was that ghosts were actually the souls that were taken by the Traveler of humanity that died during the collapse. Each one is looking for their unknown best friend who they would've, if alive, found they would be best friends in the real world. Like it's kinda hard to explain. For example, imagine each gaurdian who has yet to be found has one of those best friend necklaces cut into an extremely unique shape, while their ghost has the other half of said necklace. However the ghost has never seen the other half, and is looking for the one person who has it. I mean, the theory mostly fits. Because the ghost has never seen the other person before, but claims that in non verbatim terms "I know as soon as I find you" My theory is kinda hard to really put into words, but it makes sense if you were in my head.😅

[@reamoinmcdonachadh9519]

Have you noticed, that Ghosts have individuality? Temprament? and that Just as Guardians can be coruupted such as Dredgen Yore was, so too can Ghosts? They are more than mere souls, they are spirits as much as we are!!

[@xel_0073]

Awesome story telling my guy.

[@dorugu]

true but i dun think the stuff we saw of the witnesses conference with calus was meant for us to hear i suspect the traveler did something to make us able to eaves drop on them cause remember the witness wanted the veil destroyed not captured and we also know that savathun stole it and left it for them to find problem is why perhaps a backup power generator?

[@BAHTMR]

Damn I didn't even catch that "there you are " 😢

[@acgearsandarms1343]

I have to wonder. Is Ghaul in the Traveler? Is he there? He took the Light by force and transcended to become a being of Light. Then the Traveler awoke and smote him. Blew him away like a candle flame.

[@MICROKNIGHT3000]

I think its safer to assume he is gone. That stolen light was corrupted light, but it was destroyed so savagely. The traveler could shoot a beam at ghaul, but it blasted the whole galaxy with light which awoken the dark fleet. Its weird to go towards that ghaul survived when traveler acted right then and there to get rid of it even if it could just be one among many reason for that action.

[@garypalmer997]

Question. I'm not up on the lore, so this may have already been answered. But is the traveler the gardener or not? like how the witness is not the winnower?

[@malikfranks7382]

Not directly but it’s unlikely

[@garypalmer997]

​ @malikfranks7382 if that's true. Then who or what is the traveler? A great machine or a person(s), and how did they become it?

[@realnoble676]

@@garypalmer997the traveler could just be a natural paracausal entity like the veil unlike the witness, since we know the witness is a “man-made” paracausal being

[@soundcloudpandapandawa2997]

The traveler might me a just another player ing the Flower Game

[@MICROKNIGHT3000]

What if all this lore we read about traveler, is the actual gardener describing the traveler? Now that is a twist. Be it uses the term 'you', not talking about the gardener itself but about traveler.

[@The_0G_Chad]

Through us fighting the witness and and all the other races, and us needing to blend the darkness and the light, we are becoming the winnowers final form. The Apex predator. The epitome of the sword logic. Even though the light started us on this path, we have become the winnowers proof of the game being necessary.

[@Jjamess11011]

I havent changed my ghost since i put sagira shell on it… chicqouuuu!

[@ecci0261]

If the Ghosts are fragments of the Traveller, do you think the damaged area under the Traveller is a result of all the Ghosts it created?

[@DarthDragon007]

If what I heard of the lore in The Final Shape, the damaged parts of Traveler were parts it shed during the Collapse when it was infected by The Darkness. One such piece became the shard we found in the EDZ. It's that shard that also allowed us to wield The Darkness without being corrupted as well, since it was Light infected with Darkness. It's entirely possible that Ghosts came from those shed parts too. But we don't know.

[@glitchyfox8706]

I was hoping cade might become the one who puts ghosts back together. Not disappointed in what we got though

[@Mr.Nameless-i4t]

i once thought the traveler is kind of cruel. abandoning an entire spiecies leaving them with their doom even thought she were the one who brought that doom to them, and then she finally do something after the doom she brought to humans..... she created the ghosts. but if she had created the ghosts she can recreate them again after they die but she just choses to ignore.....to turn a blind eye to the suffering she brought...... but now i understand.... i mean not literally i didnt cut off pieces of myself like she did to create ghosts but..... if ever a torn out piece returns to me i dont think i could tear it apart again. after all she did her own sacrifice after a long time of running away in fear, trying to find a glimps of hope......... im having some kind of mixed emotions right now. p.s. : im sorry if there is any grammar errors in my comment..... english is not my mother language :)

[@Sol-D81]

Just had an epiphany watching this. Hopefully those who are more well versed in the lore can verify or debunk any of this. If ghosts in fnction can bring to life things without a body or a soul and are avatars of the traveler sharing the same function. Was the traveler possibly doing at a larger scale what the ghosts were doing at a smaller scale (giving the 9 shape and form?). Could a fully functioning and healed traveler give the Nine living functioning forms? Edit: also about sundance and the traveler talking through ghosts and zavalas anger about the traveler being silent and not giving answers: It heavily reminds me of the "footprints in the sand" allegory about someone questioning why there were only one set of footprints in the sand during thier darkest times and then the lord answers "because it was then that i carried you" it would make that scene where zavala is asking his ghost would it bring back his son if it could and the ghost saying no that much more powerful and impactful.

[@kubescd9562]

Ghosts find guardians-> guardians + ghosts die-> both are returned to life-> both are revived as ghosts. 2 for 1 soul recruitment.

[@sw33tm3]

I cried. No shame.

[@Melanias_Consort]

The dove being trapped in darkness actually made me cry...damnit

[@sga1ac3]

so basically, the precursor species used the veil to fuse into 1 being, and the traveler used its light to split itself into the ghosts?

[@alexeimax2]

do we know why the traveler stay?

[@vgernyc]

What about the 11 other guardians that permanently lost their ghosts and Light?

[@iurinascimento287]

Pera, os fantasmas so aparecerao quando a escuridao atacou os humanos? eles não existirao antes? Google tradutor: Wait, will ghosts only appear when darkness attacks humans? Did they not exist before? o viajante esta criando almas a partir da alma dele ou ele esta coletando almas e adicionando a luz nelas? Is the traveler creating souls from his soul or is he collecting souls and adding light to them?

[@DOUBLExTAPxgaming]

It's kinda crazy. Darkness merged a people together to create the witness. Light divided itself to create a people.

[@Mgl1206]

hmm is there is an after life for beings that are connected to the light, is there one for normal beings? like the eliksini and humanity? and what of those of darkness? where will the awoken go when they die?

[@johnbull7130]

Ghosts are souls captured by sol over eons who forget their past lives and repurposed by the traveler. Even guardians after they die (lose their light) are repurposed as ghosts to resurrect guardians. Part of the Winnower and Gardeners game.

[@luminous2216]

The witness is just many in one but the Traveler is one in many

[@GamingStar1995]

I guess ghosts are pieces of the traveler. Without the veil, they have no memory, just like the Traveler. They think that the Traveler is their mother when they're literally part of it as a whole. The traveler has many voices, through our ghosts. Our ghosts are the ones giving us direction against the forces of darkness. Our ghost however has experiences both the light and the darkness in perfect harmony, THEN the memories start to come back to it. In short, ghosts are mini travelers.

[@Lethal_Giggles]

Meanwhile, the thousands of Hive Lightbearers we’ve killed just chilling in the afterlife: 😡

[@Snowshill]

hmm so in theory given what the travlers messages seem to say, if all ghosts are totaled then the travler could remake them all again by once again cuttign the parts off

[@Lord_No_Kids]

If we are just learning "what ghosts are" why was anyone complaining about the Veil?

[@mxkhxi]

because we know what ghosts are just not their exact origin. we knew nothing about the veil really

[@likwid_smoke]

Because lightfalls campaign told us very little. Do you remember what the radial mast is and what it does/did? I don't think anyone does & was introduced to kill Rohan moving the plot along. 😂 we've always known how the ghosts were made we just never knew the minutia of it all.

[@Lord_No_Kids]

As a reply to both comments. I am aware that they didn't tell us much about the veil. I even understand the frustration. My frustration with that argument is that it's been 10 years. So if we are just getting some lore answers about the ghosts or the traveler. Why did anyone expect to get anything about the veil in its first introduction?

[@williamschock3240]

I like ya vids g

[@pyrocasten]

R.I.P. Dinklebot

[@zaconthemonster8222]

Guardian. There you are

[@pokerus4511]

It’s easy. Ghost and the traveler are the opposite of the witness. One that split into many, instead of Many that merged into One

[@libernihilus]

Jiva. "If the tip of the hair were to be divided in to one hundred parts and each part was divided into 100 more parts, that would be the dimension of the Jiva (soul)". Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad (5.9) The self, or identity/ego, a speck of Dark, wreathed in Light. What else could they be? Great vid.

[@BungieStudios]

What is the Traveler afraid to remember?

[@benedixtify]

But in the end, The Light you take Is equal to the Light You make

[@Digital-Cajun]

The Ghosts are the consciousness, or souls, of those that died during The Collapse.

[@literalsarcasm1830]

Quite literally our soulmates

[@Skeezer_ray]

Hell yah

[@BAHTMR]

They're souls from loved ones

[@dogoodersbegone5020]

Plus 250 clan xp

[@goldengod31]

The ghost guardian interactions could have been so much better in this franchise . A buddy buddy system ruined by a ghost who wants to take over 90% of conversations.

[@ratman2580]

My bestest buddy

[@He_Shall_Reign_Unto_TheAges]

I was really hoping for a "different" outcome for SpongeBot... Looks like it's still stuck with me...

[@user-bb4wj7lq3t]

Haha divine whole.

[@barefootcoolboy_3264]

Ghosts? What are they? They are just little guys, doing little guys things!

[@LSB44446]

The cutscene with Ghosts coming out of the Travelere reminded me of pollen