Destiny 2: What Happens To Destiny, Marathon And Bungie From Here?

[@PerpetuallyTiredMusician]

Marathon will be retooled into a racing SIM and is now called "Pete's new cars".

[@gs8494]

FWIW it would sell better then another fucking hero shooter. :D

[@juanramirez7522]

Pete’s Motorsport

[@BryanOwens]

😂😢

[@Bill-e-Goat]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@cryengine_x]

herman hulst's new cars you meant.

[@jonathantomlinson1598]

I've gone through layoffs at a company. I find it hard to believe that after the last layoffs that anybody at Bungie thought they were safe.

[@NearioNL]

If they did, they are clueless about the branche they are in or for which company they work. doesnt make it any less worse, but yeah - should not been unexcpected

[@sunny-sq6ci]

that's a awful feeling to deal with for sure. it's been about 6yrs since I had to quit a job that was literally driving me insane. layoffs, just sucks

[@ItsJeff_]

It’s the “that sucks but at least it wasn’t me” mentality. When people at my job started getting laid off I started looking for a new job.

[@arkhamsgaming4750]

They knew they weren't safe as when the layoffs happened last year bungie said that another round of layoffs was happening but not until final shape was released

[@Bill-e-Goat]

100% agreed I was at a company during layoffs. Luckily I did not get laid off but within the next year we were sold to another company. None of that was shocking we were a “family” until They didn’t need us anymore. That’s how the corporate world is.🤷🏾‍♂️

[@themortreport]

You know they have the Frontiers showcase all lined up to drop in a couple weeks to try and wash these layoffs away

[@SymbioteMullet]

And when nobody cares they won't know who to blame...

[@rebeccastakem9072]

I think I'm done. 10 years and it was a great ride with a fantastic and clean ending. This all just seems like a logical spot to end things.

[@AlekTrev006]

I played up till After the Iron Tomb / fight against that Robo Raid boss (can’t believe I’m forgetting name - Skeksis maybe ?)… and then into D-2 for a while, but tell me, do we Finally Destroy the Darkness and save Earth / Humanity ?! Do we get a Happy Ending, after all the suffering and battles over the years ?! 🙏

[@rebeccastakem9072]

@@AlekTrev006 sure do :-)

[@Deltadog55]

​@AlekTrev006 yep, the entity behind the Pyramid fleet in the D2 launch ending scene "The Witness" was killed inside the Traveler in one of the best campaigns we've ever had.

[@AlekTrev006]

@@Deltadog55 Hooray ! Praise be to The Light ☺️ // After centuries of suffering, I really wanted Humanity to enjoy a final victory. (Did we ever learn Why the Traveler first came to earth , and why The Darkness followed and tried to destroy us in the first place ?)

[@Deltadog55]

@@AlekTrev006 we don't know exactly why the traveler came to earth but it was likely just blessing a civilization like it always does and humanity happened to be the one it chose. We've since learned that the darkness itself is a power just like the light. And that the true architect of the collapse was the Witness. A powerful being made from the corpses and minds of the first civilization to be blessed by the traveler. Before becoming the witness they wanted to use both darkness and light to shape the universe into what they desired. A feat accomplished by connecting the traveler to its dark counterpart, the Veil. But the traveler abandoned them. Forcing them merge themselves into the witness and hunt it down across space to enact their final shape upon the universe. In Lightfall the Witness finally returns and succeeds in linking the veil in the traveler, forcing us to enter the traveler and destroy it before it succeeds.

[@campkawaii]

The real Destiny Killer was Bungie's leadership

[@nucklehead718]

Borderlands the creator and still king of looter shooters. Often imitated but never duplicated. BL4 2025🎉🎉

[@PerpetuallyTiredMusician]

I agree, it's the same with all leaders in any art form. Mismanagement is usually what leads to the death and decline from a 1000 cuts (bad decisions). From bands going down the wrong creative rabbit hole or listening to the wrong producer to games taking the story in the wrong direction or investing in the wrong game systems. It's rarely due to the competition alone when a industry leader fail. It is in fact almost always the industry leaders failures and bloopers that lead to their death and decline. Peace

[@vrika4280]

​@@nucklehead718Borderlands has been mediocre for more than a decade, how is that king?

[@xXx_Regulus_xXx]

​@@nucklehead718 a finger on the monkey's paw curls inward... wish granted.

[@bigbox1431]

Destiny 2 makes waaaay more money than the NPC's realize.

[@BlaineVincentIII]

Thanks for your coverage and commentary over the years, Paul.

[@crabbypatty10fefrefe]

The half assed free to play model is one of the factors that killed this game. They just consistently confuse people with their pay model across the board. Stupid.

[@Psilo_Sybin]

Agree

[@JayDamaso78]

Them referring to it as ftp when such an irrelevant portion of it was actually ftp...

[@Deltadog55]

I wish they stuck with the Box product model. It's evident this game was never supposed to be live service at all.

[@Kan-o-tex]

Amazing that they have sunk this far but the CEO retains his job.

[@kevinrobb86]

He's the CEO of course he would and even if they got rid of him he would walk away with millions either way

[@Wastingsometimehere]

Someone has to collect antique cars.

[@SuperStewcat]

Why do you have to guess? You can look it up, Pete Parsons joined Bungie in 2002 after Combat Evolved

[@b.o.4492]

@@nottoxicD2yes you do. Wouldn’t be posting if your didn’t. Fess up you wax his cars for him, don’t you?

[@AkiAndFam]

Yesterday's timeline was BRUTAL. Any MMO needs a large content drop once a year to infuse excitement into the playerbase. With the teams impacted (art, music, freaking CREATIVE PEOPLE THAT MAKE THE GAME) I expect we will see the future of Destiny be more about maintaining & generating revenue to fuel Marathon, and that's about it. Unless there's a drastic shift, Destiny's future is basically "enjoy what we made, this is the end".

[@itswickie8545]

And the fact that current Destiny is basically already about 60% to 80% geared toward only making money instead of making an awesome game… yeah, things are going to be WAY worse than they are now, and things are pretty bad already. Management has no one but themselves to blame for this mess. They are responsible for the past mistakes and the future ones. It’s so sad. Destiny had countless potential and there are SO many passionate creative people who want to make it what it truly can be… But still…

[@Senriam]

I don’t know. Marathon might never pan out to be what they hope it will be. A pvp only extraction shooter? That’s one of the markets in an even smaller niche than MMO-Looter-Shooter. I don’t think that marathon will be the flagship commercial success you think it might be, and I think they already know that they’ll be forced to offer a significant content flow for Destiny 2 to make up for their long-term planning mistakes. 35% of their staff is gone, but so are 60% of their total projects. They do Destiny and Marathon now with nothing else in the oven. They literally cannot afford to gamble again on marathon.

[@JayDamaso78]

​​@@Senriamwe're also gonna see just how little of Destiny's population actually cares about pvp when it's not forced down their throat

[@Forcer69]

For the raid, I do want to add, one of the laid off Devs (Diana something) said there is a raid in development. She didn’t mention if it was new or a reprised, or when it’s coming, but one is still in development.

[@Augors]

I was gonna say this as well.

[@garykennedy3054]

Ain't gonna save this game

[@anosvoldigoad3021]

Lmao how are you worrying about raids when the company is burning again

[@robbier3785]

I’m sure they laid off that Raid as well so don’t lose sleep over whatever she said.

[@cerberus1166]

@@anosvoldigoad3021 typical PvE gremlin its all they do.

[@dav1ekc]

I was originally looking forward to Marathon until i found out it was redesigned into a Hero Shooter...

[@johamandcheese899]

I wouldn't be surprised if Bungie is no more in a few years. If I was still around at Bungie after the 1st layoffs, I would of been looking for something else immediately. The writing is on the wall.

[@SymbioteMullet]

A few _years?_ Gosh, you're very optimistic!

[@gpawan1996]

you think a few round of layoffs is gonna erase the company? Wake up! Tech companies these days lay offs thousands of employees every year and hire thousands within the same year.

[@cerberus1166]

@@gpawan1996 you think a high burn rate company with insanely worsening public opinion, is going to succeed with less employees? you think anybody is going to give a damn about their new game when bungie doesnt give a damn?

[@RonaldMcDonald519]

Have to agree. Not just Destiny but Bungie are gonna die quite soon.

[@gpawan1996]

@@cerberus1166 amazon laid off hundreds of thousands of employee. Does that stop you or anyone else from ordering from amazon?

[@kaguscon]

This is all hilarious. Bungie is a fucking case study on how to ruin everything from IP to lives. All we wanted was more maps and strikes. Ffs

[@KayronTho]

What are you talking about? We literally got more maps and strikes 🤦‍♂️

[@kaguscon]

@KayronTho Don't be a fucking tool. We get 1 strike per year, we got mostly recycled maps and then 5 years after d2 launched we got 3 new maps whose geo. is based on existing maps. Stop it. We've been on this battle pass bs since Shadowkeep. We should have been getting...AT MINIMUM 1 map and 1 strike per season.

[@kaguscon]

They won't even unvault the maps and strikes we do have. And the d1 maps too. Stop it. Record breaking sales, no fucking substance, all Eververse and Dungeon Passes and Collector's editions.

[@KayronTho]

@@kaguscon what you implied in your post is “more” strikes and maps as in new stuff. We got new stuff. Thats what I’m responding to. Don’t add bs to the mix.

[@Twizzybeatzz]

The unvaulting deal is tired, man. It's not that they *won't* unvault it. It's that the system the game is designed *CANNOT* handle it. That's a whole separate conversation, and not simple at all. Bungie has screwed up A LOT. But your points aren't as valid as you want right now mate.

[@vhg8976]

At this point I have lost all faith in bungie and the destiny franchise getting a new installment.

[@hayabusa09]

I got off D2 2 years ago, based on the direction Bungie was going in. Not regretting my decision, at all.

[@Ladiesman2I77]

Same here 👍🏻

[@RonaldMcDonald519]

Same lol. What an absolute shitshow.

[@theory36nine84]

What have you played since leaving? I've tried to leave, but burn out quickly elsewhere.

[@hayabusa09]

@@theory36nine84 whatever interests me really. There are plenty of fun ones. Admittedly I’ve soured on fps games in general though. I was playing BF2142 after D2. More into 3rd person action now, investment gaming is not for me anymore. These companies don’t respect your time or money.

[@xXx_Regulus_xXx]

​@@theory36nine84tl;dr I moved onto roguelikes and similar stuff. longer answer: not him but I quit Destiny after WQ, and after HD2 didn't work out I've just quit conventional live service games. I thought about picking up Warframe again since its story is more interesting than ever, but I got burned out on that grindfest five years ago. It's installed but I have no idea if I'll actually come back. I play a lot of Risk of Rain 2, it feels like a pickup game version of Destiny if that makes any sense. I also just got Quasimorph, it's too easy for me to say if it's good overall but being out of the live service ecosystem feels real good so far. As for multiplayer stuff, I just play games that allow community servers and either myself or a friend will buy a cheap VPS and host it there.

[@jetwayjesus]

I’ll adjust my expectations when bungie adjust their pricing. Each DLC has gone up in price and we get less each time

[@jessedevries6650]

I mean lightfall and final shape were same price and final shape was bigger and better so ur statement is technically false dog

[@joeb734]

​@@jessedevries6650 you might want to pick a less despicable game to white knight for. Bungie has industry -defining predatory monetization. But let's run with your example... Lightfall did not have story carved out of it. You paid for the DLC and season passes, etc. But the The Final Shape adds a new layer of monetization, that's what these later episodes are, which...drumroll...you have to pay for. In addition to the DLC and everything else you were already paying for. Bungie are masters of carving up previously free components of their product and selling them individually to their goofy playerbase who loves paying more for the same reskinned product.

[@realtuber101]

Bungie employees need to walk out until talks can actually happen about change. That being firing Pete and getting unionized. There is no other ways around it. The staff get punished for doing well as well and doing poorly, higher ups have repeatedly be called the problem at Bungie when it comes to rebooted work or delays or greed, so at this point we all just need to do everything until something works. Because as it stands, people will be harmed regardless.

[@AnthonyJGianotti]

The scale of the leadership ineptitude in the games industry is mind boggling. They were all on a pandemic driven low competition sugar high, and based the entire futures of their companies off of the most unique, one off operating environment of the post Cold War era. The fact that people like Pete Parsons haven’t been made examples of is wild. He is an executive leadership failure of the highest order and would have been offed in any industry outside of techlandia long ago…

[@Hank-bh2sr]

Exactly. All of which was driven by unsustainable levels of capital investment that have dried up since the Covid bubble burst.

[@lukestarford7608]

So far the only company that hasn't let go of staff is Nintendo. Which just makes sense since they prefer to keep staff and build up their talent but also because they aren't always chasing unrealistic sales.

[@braxusthebold]

Kinda crazy that we have no idea what D2 is gonna look like this time next year.

[@jdidve]

probably the same

[@profeserk]

If it’s even around.

[@kylenader7276]

Destiny is dead ppl gonna have to admit that soon

[@rubenjaimes1194]

It's always been this way I don't see what the issue is ?

[@kylenader7276]

@@rubenjaimes1194 no plans of D3 and for the ppl that were coping enough on d2, no plans of more expansions? Pack it up its gg’s now

[@DespressoEspresso43]

At the very least my 10yrs with Destiny has been a crazy ride with a good ending. I already payed for the episode which are kind of like an epilogue to FinalShape so I’ll still play that. But idk about continuing after

[@Lazerfaced]

Guaranteed Bungie gets dissolved within 5 years

[@JayDamaso78]

It'll happen within 6 months of Marathon flopping

[@timbertron1]

Sony will step in.

[@Dac85]

5 years is optimistic.

[@derred723]

killing pvp years ago killed the mechanism to hold a large group people through downtime and pve is just a constant need to pump out stuff that has limited replay value.

[@theonewhoknocks2809]

Shouts out to Parsons Noseworthy and Smith for really fucking Bungie up.

[@danielleighton4161]

One of the devs that was laid off confirmed that theres another raid coming. Shes the one that saved skating.

[@RedShadowOfSaturn]

I might know what you mean, but...skating?

[@SALEENS7GTR5]

​@@RedShadowOfSaturnWell/shatter skating. An advanced speedrun movement tech

[@RedShadowOfSaturn]

@@SALEENS7GTR5 Oh yeah, that. The thing that Bungie should have built into every Guardian's core movement without needing to cheese abilities and weapon swings. Shame they didn't get around to that.

[@SALEENS7GTR5]

@@RedShadowOfSaturn perhaps, but the fun in speedrun tech is that many techs are found by accident and adapted to make runs faster, and lead to more discoveries in breaking the game. Half of speedrunning is just finding unintentional glitches and tech. Although it'd be fun for Bungie to have mach jesus speeds in D2 built in, the contrast between basic, "normal" movement and glitched speedrun movement adds to the funnin watching or completing speedruns. It's just so different from the norm and not built for the normal game, that it makes that sorta movement all the more impressive to witness and pulled off flawlessly to gain any extra time.

[@RedShadowOfSaturn]

@@SALEENS7GTR5 Ha, ya know...I think you're the first person I've heard justify this to me as "speedrunning tech" while, in actuality, it's Bungie not working harder to make the game better. Like, there's literally tons of terrible games with even worse glitches to abuse that no one bothers to speedrun...here, we have a high production value AAA game, and instead of saying "hey Bungie, can you make us all move faster, clearly there's a demand," people just go "um, ackshually...it's speedrunning tech, very highbrow, very special, very unique compared to the 'normal' game." Right, okay. Cool, I gotchu. 🤭

[@espirite]

Bungie announcing Marathon as an extraction shooter that looks nothing like the original Marathon games is the most creatively bankrupt thing they could have possibly done. At that moment it was very clear that the Bungie we all knew was completely dead. The current situation is a direct result of them overselling the value of the company to Sony and its entirely their fault and was driven purely by greed. Either way it's the end of an Era and bungie is no more.

[@EternalFount]

Isn't now a hero shooter too

[@SpottedHares]

@@EternalFountone new outlet said that since the valorent guy is now heading it, but their been no official or unofficial statement at all.

[@Ares180BPM]

It's a hero shooter now, after bad play tests a year or so ago. Either way, extraction or hero, they're over saturated genres and the release will be too late to capitalize on any hype there may have been for them.

[@viable3589]

​@@SpottedHaresIm pretty sure that the Valorant guy confirmed it himself that it had moved from an extraction shooter to a hero shooter. Maybe.

[@samvimes9510]

Idiots should have just remastered (or even remade) the original trilogy. Boomer shooters are all the rage today, and they could have marketed it as the series that inspired Halo. I think people would have been a lot more interested in that than another extraction or hero shooter.

[@richardconforti6271]

I still think it was the DCV that lead to this. It made it impossible for any new players to become invested in with half the game deleted

[@madmanawesome]

It still bothers me that they didn’t bring back forsaken before final shape. From a business standpoint it would be a perfect entry point as a story since shadowkeep witch queen and final shape all depends on the events from forsaken

[@sonny2dap]

I’m in agreement with this, I really think that was a huge mistake.

[@poplthemaidensrevengetmr3573]

No that’s non arguable the minute they did that I knew it was over but kept playing cause I didn’t know better

[@requiem418]

I want to play as either a roided-out chad or an attractive heroine, heroes that fulfill a fantasy, not someone I can find at Walmart. The heroes in Concord were very unappealing design-wise, which is why they didn't grab anyone's attention. Look at the hero designs in Marvel Rivals, it's beta had insane player numbers.

[@novavstheworld7925]

I’d love to see ANYTHING about marathon other than the “teaser” we saw last year. Anything. Literally 30 seconds of “gameplay” would suffice. I just don’t understand the decision making

[@PaupersSerenade]

This is a rough time for all. I've been watching you for a while now due to your Destiny coverage; but you're honestly the reason I started playing FD. Never read Forbes before watching you, but I notice your byline and pay attention. Just wanted to say I really appreciate your knowledge of the industry, regardless if you cover Destiny or not.

[@dimshds]

well they canned "Payback" (aka D3) so things are not looking great to say the least ...

[@drosdraven9]

Where did you get this info

[@madsines5301]

@@drosdraven9 Destiny bulletin

[@loganknoll]

​@@drosdraven9 Originally from Jeff Grubb in today's Game Mess Morning's podcast /// According to Grubb, the game, which was internally referred to as “the next Destiny” instead of “Destiny 3”, has been shelved. “What is going on the shelf is Payback. This is what was also leaked and reported to be maybe Destiny 3- technically not Destiny 3. Internally, they would refer to it as ‘the next Destiny’. I don’t know if the distinction is there, but they think there’s a distinction there. “But that is going on the shelf indefinitely, according to the people I’ve talked to. Either way, let’s be clear, a ‘Destiny 3’ or ‘next Destiny’ is just not the thing that they are going to be coming out of this looking toward let alone working on in any real way.”

[@itswickie8545]

I mean, yes, they did say that they wiped everything from the face of the earth that is not Destiny and Marathon related (they should haven’t even been thinking about other projects to begin with but sure) but notice how Pete said ‘Destiny’ and not Destiny 2. He mentions specifically Destiny 2 in another sentence regarding the people who are still working on the game. D2 is part of the ‘Destiny’ franchise so D3 isn’t necessarily scraped. I still think it will come… one day. But that day is far, far far way with how many mistakes they have made…

[@loganknoll]

@@drosdraven9 can find on Destiny Bulletin

[@dukiwave]

It's crazy how destiny players talk about seasons. "I don't really like this season but there's a lot of content here so it's okay" after all this time is insane.

[@gnat8316]

New raid is confirmed this year as well as dungeons as per bungie dev tweet regarding play test feedback …. “New raid looks good” is the quote I believe

[@drosdraven9]

Source

[@Fadaar]

assuming it'll be a Xivu raid

[@phillemon7664]

@@FadaarI hope Xivu gets a raid

[@Alex-zg5ql]

​@@drosdraven9 Cba to go find it but one of the Bungie devs said she was working on a new raid and thought it was good and she's shocked she got fired or suhin

[@cuppy666]

Incorrect the tweet was from the now former “test mercenary” which I can only assume is an internal test player, Diana Voyer that stated the next raid was looking good, there has been no official source stating that this raid is coming out this year. The only confirmations we have are the dungeons as part of the annual pass, none of this is shocking because there will always be raids in development so long as the game is being actively developed but assuming that means they’re coming anytime soon is ill advised and setting up false expectations for people taking second hand information as facts

[@atiskidd]

TFS is not the totality of the game. It is an addition to a very tired live service model which drags down any benefits TFS may have provided. I still don't believe it made the numbers the previous expansions made. To hang your hat on one expansion is just a foolish business practice.

[@chrissturges8952]

It is odd how folks seem to be forgetting last falls news. Bungie missed revenue targets by 45% last year. This is why they shed 100+ jobs. No matter how good TFS might be, you lost so much good will the the "quality miss" (as Parson states) of Lightfall and its the end of a 10 year saga where there really isnt a way to catch up aside from watching videos on KZbin. There was no way that TFS would make up for that deficit. And if we drill in to that: the average player count for TFS on Steam for launch month was 10k less than Lightfall's launch month. Further, TFS has seen the sharpest drop off post an expansion release, with July's average steam player count at roughly 60k (a nearly 50% drop off). It took 3/4 months for Lightfall player count to hit that level. On top of that it is weird how people also seem to forget how in the announcement Parson ostensibly said it was poor management decisions and this decline in revenue that got them into this place. This echoes reports from last year about how the Sony buyout was a lifeline to keep Bungie afloat. This is FURTHER backed up by the fact that Microsoft passed on purchasing Bungie because of Bungie's high run rate and not seeing a viable RoI (Microsoft who went on a giant purchasing spree spending multiples of what Sony paid for Bungie). Bungie management made decisions while independent that forced them to look for a lifeline, I am not sure why folks think things would be better if they were still independent?

[@RedShadowOfSaturn]

This is one of the better ways to detail it. Even if I were nice and said TFS did some good things and succeeded in proving a conclusion for people...the legion of this game's fans thinking Into the Light and Final Shape together meant huge changes to Bungie's content development and release cadence and business practices...were really deluding themselves hard.

[@EatThePath-7]

Destiny 2 playerbase has more than likely stagnated, and it has been this way for a very long time. Not many new people are willing to jump into it because of multiple factors, but mainly the price, having to catch up with people and just this game being largely based upon a gameplay framework of 2014. The only way to revitalize the fanbase, bring new blood and lapsed players (such as myself) back into it is Destiny 3. People who say a new game wouldn't accomplish anything are completely ignorant of just how Destiny is viewed by everyone else than is not a fan.

[@neilduncan441]

What’s next for us destiny fans? Not sure what game would fill this gap.. it’s almost sad and feels like it’s almost over. The leaked frontiers info sounds like it SUCKS too.

[@Wastingsometimehere]

Final Shape should just be considered the effective finale of Destiny 2. It was a decent end to the series. It's time to treat Destiny like a RPG that has some group activities you can play.

[@aragornelesar3862]

From 1400 employees to 850 in 9 months is a reduction in 40%....Insane.

[@brewerplayz]

Looking like it might be time to say goodbye to my favorite game of the last decade

[@brewerplayz]

@@BozBundalo oh I know. I’ve still played but not near at the level I used to.

[@UniqueTechnique29]

I’m in the same boat. I’ve essentially done everything in PVE and usually fill the down time with PVP. It’s absolutely in the worst state it has ever been in. I’ve played the game almost daily for 10 years and regardless on others thoughts, I’m going to miss the game tremendously.

[@SpottedHares]

Reminds me of how Phil “the slayer of studious” Spencer just skinned swayed and waited for the heat to die down after the studio closures. They know they can run and hid because gammers have a worse memory than goldfish.

[@SALEENS7GTR5]

PETE PARSONS ON THE FIELD: BRING A TRAILER! HA HA, BANK THOSE CUT COSTS, BRUTHA!

[@1div2agent74]

Paul Tassi is low key my favorite KZbinr and I don’t even play destiny anymore

[@pedrorocha6044]

We don't need to adjust our expectations, we're already paying way too much for them to use that money to buy cars and to put into other random projects without securing the continuity of the game we were supporting. They have to adjust the way they do things or the studio goes under. That simple.

[@neofly]

without marathon I'd believe they could take 3 years off and come with Destiny 3 but Marathon will need effort and support so they will need to keep D2 going. Even then, they will probably wait until after Marathon for the next expansion, it's just that after Marathon it will only take one year for another expansion, instead of 2 or 3 we are being kept in silence about the next expansion cause the plan must have been episodes only until 2026 at least. Maybe longer now.

[@shaney130]

Unfortunately it seems management are committed to sticking it out. Sometimes it takes for a business to completely go bust before the culprits take any responsibility

[@eliwipf8104]

There was that reddit post from when the last layoffs happened that there would be more after TFS and more next year, and so far that seems to be true.

[@HolisticPatriots]

IF you have been with Destiny since Day 1 with Destiny 1 you'll realize that Bungie Abandoned Destiny 1 for Destiny 2. Now they are repeating their history for abandoning Destiny 2 for their new game Marathon. This goes back to Bungie's days with Halo too.

[@RonaldMcDonald519]

It really was sunsetting after all. That decision put the game on a course of ultimate extinction. They can’t even hope for an influx of new players since onboarding is so terrible post-sunset.

[@jayv231_]

Luke Smith and Mark Noseworthy are laid off as well.

[@Grayves_X]

If they said they weren't doing expansions to work on D3 I'd be happy. I'd also be ok, gutted but ok if they cancelled Frontiers and didn't do any more episodes or seasons after these 3 to work on D3. But i feel like D3 is less likely now than before, unless Marathon does amazing and can prop Bungie up while they develop D3

[@maxstavens217]

100% agree with the taking time off take. Things have gotten bad it seems at Bungie and things need to heal. The hype train around a return 5 years down the line would be nuts I imagine.

[@AComfyKnight]

Once human is doing something right that a lot of people have issues with, with most live service games. Anything that can be bought with real money is pure cosmetic. Not a single pay to win item in the game, as far as I've been able to find. It's breath of fresh air after years of D2, and most other games, getting more pay to win. The team is really clear about patches and updates, and quick with game-breaking bugs. A lot of people are cautious about the seasonal reset, Hopefully it's better than it sounds like it might be.

[@r66112d]

I think it's time we all start playing the first descendant. Show Bungie we will happily move to another looter MMO if they don't make destiny their priority. We want all sunset content back, new raids and dungeons multiple times a year, and new aspect and fragments for all classes ! Let's not forget we need more strikes, PVP maps and Gambit maps ! If you want us to play ritual playlists keep them updated !

[@Kastor0311]

I for one am very excited about this news. Finally someone's cleaning house of all the incompetence at the company.

[@Bill-e-Goat]

One thing to think about; universally, everybody says forsaken was it…bungees responsive was “yeah, don’t expect that again buddy….” I wonder why they are doing layoffs a few years later.🤷🏾‍♂️

[@lucapietrangeli270]

I played the last mission of the story, enjoyed it, tried the raid, was reminded of how annoying people can be and then went to Tennocon and slipped back into warframe. Loved my time fighting as a guardian but I'm happy to close that book for now. If something enticing pulls me in-I'm happy to try it but there are other franchises worth our investment as gamers. Hearts and prayers to the people who worked so hard on such a beautiful franchise. Both currently at Bungie and those onto greater pastures

[@nicholascazmay2126]

I think it’s time Bungie employees walk out, and Sony needs to get a grip on this and toss Parsons and anyone else at the exec level that contributed to this. It cannot continue.

[@_Diamond-Dog]

😂😂😂

[@thescavwithnothingtolose1224]

What's insane is that Halo 2 was launched with just around 200 employees at Bungie. Halo 2 and 3 were record breaking launches in terms of revenue for an entertainment project. Where is that bungie? wtf happened?

[@Augors]

DAMN IT! You beat me to this thought! It’s because at that time, multiplayer games were very SIMPLE and there was very few online shooters at the time. Oh, monetization? $5 map packs. Simple.

[@thescavwithnothingtolose1224]

@@Augors but think of all the manual tasks they had then compared to now with the technology available for processing and design.

[@jamesfinley5339]

The lure of the cookie jar and the promise of a stomachache

[@EatThePath-7]

live service and the people who got addicted to its 'endless' mediocrity happened

[@jasonhoerner9954]

Halo 3 was cultural phenomena, with a relatively short campaign (under 8 hours), simple PvP multiplayer, single platform, and yet sold over 12 million copies (I played it and loved it, I'm not knocking it, but it's no Elden Ring or Witcher 3 or Baldur's Gate 3 in complexity). It was a unicorn that can't be replicated -- if the same exact quality of game was released at present, it wouldn't sell a quarter that amount of units. Even great game companies dependent on revenue from single player hits go out of business at any time if they suffer a couple misses (Eidos, Neversoft, Westwood, Pandemic, Ensemble Studios, the list goes on and on). The idea of live service games is that you can have a continuous revenue stream, so you're not dependent on hits, and the total money that can be made is a lot more long term (think World of Warcraft, League of Legends, Roblox, etc), so it can sustain a company. But I think Bungie underestimated the costs, and the difficulty of keeping the player base engaged. The amazing controls, sound, art, and effects have always been unquestioned on Destiny, but it's a lot harder to come up with consistently good story content, unique experiences, rewarding grind, and re-playability.

[@endar2401]

It would be easier for them to restore the cut content than make new stuff. I'd like to see them do the episodes as planned, then next year focus on restoring all of the cut content and just make a complete version of the game.

[@edes01]

Bungie should have never left Activision Blizzard King. That was the start of the downward spiral of Bungie.

[@bailey32brooks]

d2 is done. i think sony will announce there doing d3 with bungie staff involved.hopefully fire pete immedietly as this is his fuck up with lay offs

[@LorkhansLetsplay]

D3 got cancelled about 30 mins ago new come from destiny bulletin which is rarely wrong

[@itswickie8545]

@@LorkhansLetsplaywait what? D3 got cancelled? Like, the game specifically? How? They haven’t even announced D3 yet? I know the leaks and stuff but…

[@LorkhansLetsplay]

@@itswickie8545 well the Project Payback which was referred to destiny 3 or the next 'destiny game' has been canceled because of the recent layoff

[@megamanx503]

​@@LorkhansLetsplaysource?

[@LorkhansLetsplay]

@@megamanx503 jeff grub , destiny bulletin are the one that ive seen

[@ErnieOporto]

Bungie has done this on the usual corporate end-of-month kill day. If I was a Bungie employee, I’d just assume they’re going to do it in 2-3 months again if Parsons is still there. Something is rotten at the top.

[@savagedrew]

I wish that Bungie communicated more with us. I would have been totally happy if they can out and let us vote or take a poll of what we want. If they came out and said look you’re going to get the final shape. A great story, a raid, new destination and that’s all but this is the end, we are going to take a break and work on Destiny 3 for example. I would have been cool let’s do it. I’ll play this out and then wait. But this, the season/episode model, story/acts, possibly no raid/dungeon, dip feed, not knowing what frontiers is, etc. and now more layoffs. I mean I get their focus will be destiny and marathon but I’m not playing marathon and the template for what Destiny has become now is not going to work. I think they need a break… we all need a break. So what if it’s 3-5 years and they come back better than ever. Just do it the right way and do right by the players and your employees

[@evodevo69]

Does anyone know if the pvp strike team was let go as well

[@gavo7911]

I can’t help but wonder where we would be if Marathon was just a simple, single player shooter in the same vein as Doom 2016. A fun side project to let Bungie flex their PvE chops unrestrained by Destiny’s framwork. Probably would have made a solid chunk of money too. But I guess we’ll never know, and this is the result of Pete and co. wanting to chase multiple golden geese instead of sticking with the one they had. Just a damn shame.

[@ghostfazedkillah887]

Honestly bungie was never big enough to support one game on its own nevermind finishing one up and starting a new. They should have just put all thier people on d2 until it was finished while having a very small team working on ideas and models for marathon. But that's not how it worked out their appetite for money and to do more things is what ultimately undone them. Bungie themselves was never on time with expansions in the beginning and always tried to do more or take on more than they could deal with, this rarely paid off.

[@avirulentyinvin1700]

I can hear the exhaustion and depression in your voice and it shows in your body language throughout this entire video. Paul, you need to take a break and walk away for a while and get your head right. I hope you read this. signed, from a long time fan

[@kendominfinity]

I have to imagine Destiny 2 Frontiers gets delayed or reworked into something else.

[@spakentruth]

After this it's likely that won't even happen. Based on dattos last video and tweets from some of the recently fired claimed that there were failed attempts at splitting into a new studio for other games that all got canned. Parsons tried to open up a new office and that was canned too

[@majorjunko5884]

After sticking with them for the past 10 years for Destiny and previously for Halo, seeing what’s happening now is disheartening. The way they let Destiny slide by with minimal effort until it’s too late then rush,rush, rush during delays isn’t instilling any sort of confidence for future projects. Can’t say I’m thrilled to jump into something new to have these poor decisions made to the new thing as well. Management needs to go.

[@kddatrapmane]

Outside of a really good campaign, a new raid, a new patrol zone and some Public events what else does that dlc offer to the core playlists? The core playlists are supposed to be the retainer and yet the supposed “expansions” aren’t expand on those in ages, trials is a mess isn’t fun, not rewarding, and only 2 new weapons worth chasing, the strike playlist is shit and gambit is another story. D2 doesn’t need a reboot or a patch, it needs a real fckn expansion.

[@FollowtheWater94]

I’m honestly considering dropping the game after this. 10 years in, didn’t plan on dropping it prior to final shape or even immediately after it since it was so good. But after this news, I might just drop it. Almost all faith lost in Bungie now

[@Cross31415]

Despite the inherent risk in a multiplayer PvP shooter, I think Marathon is looking to carve out an intelligent niche. Almost everything in the genre is stupidly hardcore, cf. Tarkov and Hunt. Creating a more mainstream entry into a genre with proven potential is how Fortnite took off, being a more mainstream parallel to Plunkbat. P.S. A "2025" window leaves a year and a half from now. There's room.

[@cooldudeninja0219]

The Final Shape was going out with a bang, anything after that is a sad whimper now... I'd also like to say Marathon is going to be a massive blunder for Bungie honestly management needs to *GO* and be replaced with... I don't know, anyone who would do something different and try to make more positive change for Bungie along with Destiny 2.

[@Nadiki]

A major expansion definitely isn’t happening now. If Frontiers is anything, it might be a series of smaller expansions similar to Curse of Osiris and Warmind where we visit Torobatl and Riis and such

[@jcrhee]

Dreams are always bigger than the wallet, and when you couple that with corporate bloat, dreams are squashed and promises broken. With the way Bungie dumbed down Destiny over the years, due to player feedback, I'm still surprised that they need as many developers working on this project. Maybe a healthy Bungie is to rediscover its roots and scale of the early 2010s -- which unfortunately will anger more content creators.

[@WhiteInk47]

Hopefully Marathon will be good, just because I really loved the old Marathon. Bungie is also one of my favorite studios, so it’d be genuinely awful if this gaff finally sunk them

[@Anonihmus2567]

Of course they can't take any time off pete needs more cars and hangar to house them all

[@underscore_5450]

Welp, there goes any remaining trust I had in Bungie as a company. I was basically done with them after the first round of layoffs but the buildup to FS was great and FS was even better and now that the game is in the best feeling place it's ever been Bungie decides to layoff even more people. Yeah, I'm done.

[@rushboardtechuk]

I feel as though Sony had a plan to ultimately downsize Bungie, no matter TFS' reception. As has been said, Lightfall had a 45% revenue expectation that never materialized, so the studio's blood was in the water long before layoffs began. It's hard to run a Live Service/MMO nowadays without a lot of people, and they also can't be timesharing development on another game. I am happy to hear Luke Smith is gone, but I think Mark Noseworthy's departure will be another in a long line of mistakes. As for Marathon, we don't really know what it is; there's not even a trailer showing gameplay.

[@frankcouper9377]

Marathon is definitely a big risk, I haven't spoken to anyone thats interested in playing it. I'm done with D2. If D3 happens, which I'm not convinced it will, I might give it a try.

[@BurritoReviews]

Here’s where I disagree, if the scale back destiny 2 at all, they are sort of finished. If expansions are anything less than the likes of forsaken, TTK, the final shape, then people just won’t stay. The playerbase won’t accept another lightfall. Hopefully their focus on Destiny now will lead to better destiny expansions. As far as a Destiny 3, why? What could Destiny 3 offer that Destiny 2 doesn’t already offer. If they release Destiny 3 and it has less content that Destiny 2 and doesn’t offer anything substantially new, people won’t play it.

[@viable3589]

The issue with Destiny isnt that its a bad franchise. Its one of the better ones, actually. The problem is that Destiny 2 as a game has failed in the eyes of many players. Bungie releasing Destiny 3 will likely bring back many players that quit Destiny 2 because they loved the world that Bungie built but hated how they did it. D3 could possibly save the company and franchise, if it happens and releases before its too late for them.

[@plaztik767]

Crazy shit indeed sir. Sony is tearing Bungie apart !

[@joshuaroman6479]

Marathon feels like it should be the thing to be shelved- it doesn't feel like it has a real identity or spot in the market. A hero/extraction shooter doesn't sound very viable or fun, and without having any PvE elements, it doesn't hold a ton of appeal for a lot of Destiny players, myself included. I'm not saying I won't try it out, but I can't see myself dedicating the type of commitment to that model of a game. The fun of Destiny is character creation/build freedom, and as someone with over 200 raid clears, I'm more inclined to play PvE than PvP. I still enjoy it, but I wouldn't play a game that's really only PvP.

[@Fr33climb]

Bungie has been a dead man walking since Lightfall. This really shouldn’t come as much of a surprise to anyone who can read the writing on the wall.

[@xXx_Regulus_xXx]

10:10 Paul trying his absolute hardest to not say Concord was ugly as hell

[@vidmaster1282]

From the moment we heard nuMarathon was going to be an extraction-shooter I was not on board with it. Shame the higher ups only want an infinite money fountain from live-services and we'll never get a genuine reboot like we did with Doom.

[@NotSamSage]

After 10 years, I think I’m done after this last round of layoffs. Love the game, but I can’t support what they’re doing anymore. I just don’t see the game ever really bouncing back

[@OnePintJohnny]

Bungie have spread themselves too thin, this is on Pete yet the devs under him are being laid off. This is probably why Destiny 2 felt neglected in some areas especially pvp.

[@funny7]

I think it’s pretty clear bungie will lean heavily on Sony, I don’t think the layoffs confirm we will have less content.

[@s_rene_jg]

well the post said that all focus is going back to destiny and marathon now that all the other projects got canned so I don’t think this would affect the size of each content drop

[@tedpalmer1537]

I think we can see why Catarina Macedo left. The "Expansion Project Lead" role seems to be a redundant role at Bungie

[@Bill-e-Goat]

Take a page out of the divisions book and allow everybody to play everything then add matchmaking to every activity you just triple the game for most people your player base will go up. At that point you have so many more people that you can work to monetize

[@CorboLive]

I don't think anyone would have thought that Bungie making a new multiplayer shooter game could be considered risky. I guess that goes to show how far they have fallen from grace.

[@esprich]

It’s easy to laugh at it but, if Anthem was revived and Sony bought the IP and dumped a huge budget into it, I’d bet anything it could be insanely successful. It had the single best “it factor”, that magical gameplay loop of all the looter games or supposedly destiny killers. It just never fully realized its insanely high potential.

[@martyk656]

They'll keep the lights on for Destiny as long as some people are still playing. They'll release Marathon as soon as it's playable. Then Sony will shut down Bungie as a game developer. I'd like to see D3 in the hands of a game studio that can deliver quality content consistently. We know that's not Bungie.

[@wesswinden8125]

So the finance/ accounting people exaggerated numbers to get the Sony deal done ( $$ they needed ) and did the same to get the delay / quality bar higher for final shape . So they made the final shape great , but now the chickens have come home to roost .

[@onyonrong9244]

Custom player characters in Marathon with the artstyle they showed off in the vidoc and the trailer would have been amazing. Shame they went with a hero shooter style.

[@LittleCrowYT]

Bungie/destiny imploding was not on my 2024 bingo card but I suppose the writing has been on the wall for a while, even before the last layoffs. Really sad to see how people like Pete Parsons are treating the company when the devs have been so enthusiastic about the game and what they want the game to be. Oh to be in a world where art and passion comes before spending $2.4mil on cars in two years.

[@godqwark]

Sony needs to revive the Resistance and Killzone series and let Bungie work their magic on the guns and shooting. They are terrible with live service but phenomenal at making guns in video games feel great!

[@eastdriftr]

At this point, I think a full on acquisition from Sony would help. Keep the true devs at Bungie and X out the C-suite

[@caspian90]

It's crazy hearing a reduction in content for Destiny when the game has LITERALLY been in pieces for years.

[@GP-sz8mj]

Surely Sony took Pete aside during the acquisition talks and mentioned a large payout “if” bungie fails and gets taken over all together