Destiny 2 - Witch Queen Seasons Were Underwhelming

[@nanosmokex6998]

Haunted and Seraph are definitely my favorite seasons of this year Edit: Risen was decent too but I didn't feel as attached to it and idk why, I loved the Lucent Brood

[@Glitcher726]

Risen was good for being paired with Witch Queen. Ultimately i think Plunder was the letdown season this year. Narratively though they delivered like always

[@Portalmaster2004]

Seraph is my favorite and haunted was the worst for me

[@CrimsonFIame]

I agree 100% on Haunted. Even the mods were wild

[@externalboss9404]

Even though seraph was a huge L, there we're some positives The Destiny 1 Taken King Iron banner armor returning Osiris being back I absolutely love the solo operative mod

[@Crap_A.I_bird]

@@Glitcher726 the only other good thing from plunder in my opinion is the music

[@youngermikej88]

Even though i didn't feel like playing (i just did the story missions to keep up to date) season of the haunted will always hold a special place in my heart, my mum passed away unexpectedly 2 days after it released and some of the story themes really hit hard, despite all their mistakes bungie always handle big emotional themes well, it's crazy how a game can help you cope with real life issues but it did and i will always be grateful for that.

[@John_II]

Sorry for your loss, dude.

[@anthonypotamitis7049]

Stay strong brother, sorry for your loss.

[@youngermikej88]

Thankyou guardian's, the light remains strong in me.

[@lldavenger]

I hope that the core activities will get some love in lightfall. It’s devastating seeing them collect dust, continuously not receiving enough of Bungie’s attention, especially crucible. It’s disappointing that there’s no new strikes, maps or interesting game modes. I loved fortress in Iron Banner, had an amazing time with it (even with the bubble titans lol). I liked the small twist with scorpius turrets and a high value zone. It was a nice small breath of fresh air for me. However, I feel Bungie could’ve executed the game mode in a much more exciting way.

[@trenhen4311]

The iron banner mode was the biggest clusterfuck and it was so stupid that it was kinda enjoyable. Just a 6v6 melee battle to the death every time a zone opened up

[@twohorsesinamancostume7606]

Crucible gets all the attention every season, what are you talking about? It may get clumsy, uncoordinated attention that doesn't improve much if anything but at least it's still attention. Meanwhile other than adding a strike or two during the expansion the only attention strikes get is the occasional seasonal activity being thrown into the strike play list with them being heavily weighted over actual strikes. Gambit gets a clumsy attempt at an overhaul once a year, if that.

[@EOTLKarma7396]

Yeah I wish they would reprise strikes like they did in D1 moments of triumph. And I still don’t understand why they removed reckoning and Gambit Prime.. core activities just need more love

[@lordpumpkinhead265]

I loved the new IB mode. It was less focused on getting kills, and more focused on capturing zones. You could actually experiment in it! It's unreal!

[@Anonymous-bk9xy]

Gambit needs some love.

[@Jmyoun88]

To be honest, I have not felt a burnout this season. The short time (80 days which ever season really should be, or 90 days) helps and the timing of events and the fun seasonal content keeps me playing. The fact that there will be a 2 week final event and all deepsight weapons on a daily timer keeps me playing too, and I had a ton of fun so far

[@BungieStudios]

I’m burned out.

[@FARAIM_Enjoyer]

Yeah I felt BURNT at the end of haunted and REALLLY BAD at the end of plunder. I’ve been playing everyday this season doin fuck all and have been having fun. Maybe it’s the LF hype idk

[@Ysl489]

@@FARAIM_Enjoyerit’s probably the changes to pvp. Atleast that’s what preventing me on my burnout

[@red_menace1829]

Lmao cope harder kid.

[@kidbu916]

Same. I usually quit the season after about a month. This is the first time I've played a season all the way through in a very long time.

[@Bobblebog]

This year have proven that the seasonal model, as it is, is unsustainable. People are just tired of getting the same stuff over and over again. Haunted was really cool during the beginning but fell off hard. Plunder’s strengths were things like Arc 3.0 and King’s Fall, things that had nothing to do with the season itself. And Sereph was just kind of ok for me. I really hope that Lightfall has better seasonal offerings.

[@_SimpleJack_]

Thank you for being the only Destiny content creator who knows how to pronounce beloved properly.

[@EhlistarsWrath]

*we didn’t get Dreg’s promise in Plunder* Just remember that

[@yourkingreturns]

And while I agree with you, season of the seraph was a breath of air for me 😅 these may be the best stories we've gotten seasonal wise with haunted and seraph.

[@unknownzay6392]

Facts season of the seraph was top tier.

[@Glitcher726]

I need to play it still shit

[@JamiaKlanister]

Agreed, but with one catch. I think Ana's character slightly changed. Like, she's became more "Borderlandy". I hear this every time them she talk to Clovis in the beginning

[@bannedmann4469]

How? Ana still sucks, so does Rasputin. Elsie is turning into Ana. Heists aren't heists they're the same old hoard mode. Whole thing is reskined. Even the Season weapon sucks.

[@bannedmann4469]

@@JamiaKlanister Shes always been that way, it's just worse.

[@Maynarkh]

I'm convinced that Seraph was conceived as a way to permanently write out Rasputin. That so many people view the writing and dialogue of Seraph as being the best since Chosen is concerning. Although that might be a result of Plunder setting the bar on the ground.

[@sedftnio]

Well yeah. Rasputin was always ancillary character. Even in Rise of Iron Rasputin was a background antagonist. The SIVA Fallen were the main threat. This season he was an actual fleshed-out character and he had an good sendoff and a well and competently written death.

[@masterchiefofhalo4525]

The sercet mission with telesto I felt was fine. The data miners spoiling everything before the sercet even gets released is a major cause for just giving up on making secret missions.

[@HotdogStephen]

What mission? I missed that one

[@xdifficultviper9916]

@@HotdogStephen I don’t believe there was one lmao, it was more like a community event that ended in an emblem if I remember correctly. Wasn’t playing much during that time period but again I’m pretty sure it was just telesto was purposely “bugged” and it changed everyday until the emblem was released then it was back to standard

[@xntzxgangstaboi6171]

I enjoyed haunted after my break from destiny after the season before it. Plunder was alright but I got burnt out fast. Now this current season is by far the one I’ve grinded a lot of besides haunted.

[@TheBookerDeWitt]

I actually really liked Ketchcrash. Idk why, but it felt a lot smoother and enjoyable than a lotta seasonal content. Expeditions though... Made me so sad

[@r0bnotr0bert]

Season of the plunder was my breaking point. I havent touched this new season and i bought the 100 dollar witch queen expansion lol

[@SavvyMon4]

Just to point out, the Chain of Command machine gun isn’t a high impact frame but an adaptive frame.

[@ElderDragon96]

In my honest opinion, people had no one to blame but themselves about overhyping the Sentient Telesto fiasco. I can understand the want of a new secret mission, I want another one too (I only had a few months I could enjoy Zero Hour and Whisper). Yet when I saw Telesto was acting up again, I had a good laugh; it's the meme gun we have a whole freaking website to track when it breaks the game for crying out loud! People were seeing what they (and many others) wanted to see with this event, built up the mystery about it, only to have let themselves down because they did not see it was a joke in good fun. (This is not a post to make fun of or hate on those who genuinely believed there was something there. I'm just giving my thoughts on the matter.)

[@markmurex6559]

I really felt the burnout in Season of Plunder. I'm finally getting back into the seasonal playlist this season since they changed drop rates or whatever to make it worth doing. I haven't crafted a weapon since Haunted.

[@paegr]

Year 5 was the exact opposite of Year 4. Beyond Light was a godawful expansion held up by awesome seasons, Witch Queen was an awesome expansion dragged down by bad seasons

[@mcch1cken473]

The real question, will the cycle continue with somehow LightFall being but its seasons are good? Or will Lightfall be good and especially the seasons

[@Poseidon-1]

@@mcch1cken473they have said that the first 2 seasons for LF since they made them a while back will follow the same formula that we are getting burnt out from but the other seasons will be the new seasonal model bungie has been developing since they have heard our cries for dope seasons again

[@anunusualname5344]

I don’t think Beyond Light was terrible, that goes to Shadowkeep.

[@terribletimes902]

People out her calling Season of the Hunt good? Bots 😂

[@terribletimes902]

@@anunusualname5344 Fuck no. Shadowkeep did not remove most of the loot pool and replace it with 15 guns

[@ninjakiwi2476]

Liked Risen a lot but the Throne World grind was boring and uh... I have yet to do a single Wellspring lol. Psiops was fun enough and Void 3.0 was a fucking blast. Infinite nade spam all day. And yeah the campaign was obviously amazing. I absolutely loved Haunted. The Leviathan definitely should've been used more but containment was very enjoyable. I wasn't looking forward to Solar 3.0 since I only used it for Well before. But Starfire and classy really made it fun. Didn't really play Plunder. The tonal shift, the story and I think burnout contributed to why I skipped most of that season. Ketchcrash and Expeditions weren't as good compared to the other season activities for me. Arc 3.0 was fun but felt kinda underwhelming on my Warlock compared to the other elements. Seraph has been amazing so far. I don't think Ive played this much D2 since Arrivals. Battlegrounds is great and challenging but it has gotten boring. Ikelos is so dam good, I missed this gun so much. Seraphs Shield was good. It a cool little mission and also served as like a tutorial for DSC and I would like to see more of that. I also started playing all my classes around when GMs became available (I only played Warlock before) and goddam am I having fun. Each class has something I really like and added some much needed variety in my play sessions.

[@Ysl489]

Great video, I definitly felt burn out after going for the grindy seals in haunted and plunder back 2 back + getting the event seals done aswell. I also wasn’t playing much pvp at that time, which really is refreshing when pve is that grindy. This season I took a different approach, I only played the seasonal activity when I was told to with the seasonal story and played a lot more pvp again. Also I focused in pve on lowmans/flawless raids that I haven’t done in the past. Felt very refreshing from all the seasonal grind. Unfortunately I’m done now with all the raids. So I’ll probably run into a problem on what to do if the lightfall seasons will be as dry as the wq seasons. I personally think the best thing bungie could do, is not doing any seasonal content for 1 season and just bringing back destiny 1 and 2 strikes & crucible maps. These playlists feel so stale. I literally never q into regular strikes. In only play some grandmasters to stock up on ascendant shards and guild my seal (+ help some friends if they need it) that’s my whole interaction with the strike playlist nowerdays. And in terms of pvp which I play a lot again recently, it just feels so frustrating playing the same maps (especially midtown, disjunction and bannerfall) over and over again.

[@mr.dr0bot731]

Bungie wants us to drop $100 before expansions and can't announce seasons until the morning of. They can't make changes we want that we've been asking for until several weeks, months or seasons later. They want us to trust them despite them making it hard to do so.

[@kharizma1734]

Honestly didn’t do my season of the haunted grind till season of plunder since I decided not to purchase it but since I completed half the triumphs it was a pleasant surprise to explore all the zone and see what was hiding in the new patrol zone with hidden mini bosses over time I’ve appreciated haunted more and more over time

[@xdifficultviper9916]

Same, played through it when it was released and definitely grinded but honestly looking back it wasn’t that bad of a season. Sure paying for reskinned content isn’t the best but I thought the storyline, loot, and solar 3.0 made that season kickass even if the grind was a bit much but also there was no reason to grind as hard as many did the content was meant to last us 3 months not 3 weeks but our monkey brains saw a bunch of top tier craftable weapons and grinded till we had them all as soon as possible.

[@twohorsesinamancostume7606]

Risen was a good complement to what was happening in Lightfall. Haunted's story was good, containment was OK but most people burnt themselves out by using the absolute worst way to farm Opulent weapons by running around the Laviathan opening random chests. No stupids, you run containment to get Opulent keys. I came into that season a month late and was still able to get all of the Opulent weapons crafted and I only ran maybe 3 containments a week. Do your containment, run a sever mission, make sure you get the bonus target for more focusing energy. Usually by the end of your third containment you've gotten an Opulent key or two. Quit trying to farm everything all at once without stopping. Plunder would have been fantastic if treasure hunts weren't a thing and Ketch Crash was the main activity to focus loot. Throw in a couple different ships to fight instead of the same Fallen Ketch every time and it would have been remembered fondly. Risen has been awesome

[@sandmanthesandman2460]

These seasons all had potential to be great but really just fell flat for me. I'd say haunted was the strongest of the three though. Nightmare containment was dang fun

[@whiterose2321]

I completed my 1000th nightmare containment wave just last month, solid activity to test builds without 5 other people stealing your kills

[@nolanh1102]

This season is fun and didn’t get old. Season of the risen also had a very fun, quick, and unique activitu

[@chootad5475]

Plunder is the season that made me quit destiny for good. The combination of reskins and old content being re sold to me pushed me over the edge so I refunded Lightfall

[@miraveilyt]

That's why I'm not buying Annual Pass version for Lightfall, only Haunted and Seraph were good seasons this year so it's a waste of money

[@intensivechuck1354]

Beyond light year: mid expansion decent seasons Witch queen year: decent expansion mid seasons

[@giles.9862]

Kid named season of the hunt:

[@robgee2678]

As someone who played D1 religiously, and D2 semi-casually with a two year break from RW to BL, this is my favorite channel whenever I’m both reminiscing on old content while being hyped for new content. Also the background music is nostalgic too.

[@NovemberHotel]

Glad you enjoy the content!!

[@mr.dr0bot731]

I feel like we keep having this same conversation every year and Bungie, instead of listening just makes things more tedious and grindy. Microtransactions have gotten way tf out of control. Charging for dungeons is insane. The shit they revealed in the GDC is mf criminal.

[@proto_shane5059]

Just a small note, I'm convinced Bungie pulled the whole "telesto even" on purpose just because they saw how low the player count was, it was quite literally almost as low as when curse of Osiris was back then, then they had the audacity to use this "secret event" Wich had more effort and time spent into it than the "eliksni event" put into it, just to sell their bad looking shirt

[@roryy6777]

Honestly I liked season of the haunted the most, which isn’t to say it’s even that good. The leviathan has so much potential, and to see it wasted on a nightmare version of escalation protocol was depressing. I don’t even wanna talk ab the other seasons, season of the seraph is fine ig but honestly I’m just waiting on lightfall

[@ninjakiwi2476]

I loved Haunted as well, that and Seraph are the some of the most I've played D2. Yeah I agree the Leviathan could've been used more but containment was hella fun for me, mainly due to starfire warlock and classy. Solar 3.0 was a big reason as to why I played that season so much and I wasn't even excited for it since I never played it outside of Well.

[@mbazoka]

This. Haunted was the first season since Season of Dawn that I wanted to grind the title - and so I did. I only have Savior and Reaper title. Proud of both.

[@jordanputnam6973]

I didn’t spend much time with Season of the Risen since I was diving into everything Witch Queen. I enjoyed the activities in Haunted the most but I wasn’t really sucked in by the story. I was excited for Plunder since Mythrax is one of my favorite characters but the story seemed like it was something fanmade you’d find online. Seraph has been nice as it has a decent story and fun activities.

[@mrchun4018]

Haunted and plunder for me was such a drag i literally stopped playing destiny altogether during season of the plunder only returning recently to prep a bit for Lightfall

[@V1rtualFlod]

Great review overall, though I hard disagree on Haunted. Solar 3.0 destroyed so many warlock builds overnight. I know that Starfire is stupid strong, but other than that there isn't much going for it. And making 2 out of 3 aspects completely PvP focused was a really bad move. Nightmare Containment was probably the worst seasonal activity since Wrathborn Hunts. I loathe 6 man activities in general, but this one takes the cake. A glorified public event where sometimes the game wouldn't even match you with enough players to complete it. And after that you play Sever missions, which despite all the community praise, was the narrative equivalent of bad reality TV. "Oh no! I'm dealing with trauma!" Literally 1 week later. "Lol, over it." I really don't understand why the community insists that Destiny's story is good. It's boiled down to emoting next to characters as they drone on in my ears for about 8 years straight. Even if you had the single greatest story ever created by man, bad story telling methods will ruin it. Sorry Destiny. I really don't give a shit about Zavala's struggles. Just give me my damn loot already.

[@lldavenger]

Literally finished the beyond light season video wondering when this one would release. Very nice! 👍

[@NovemberHotel]

I gotchu 🤙🏼

[@Thelegend27-06]

I have always played destiny, even through the toughest times. Through Curse of Osiris and plunder. However this season has been tough for me as I haven't really enjoyed playing PvE and absolutely hate PvP which was my favorite part of this game. I'm debating whether I should buy Lightfall or not as Strand Titan looks very disappointing and generally titans have felt repetitive with the same "me punch me kill" thing. I don't think I'll quit for good as every Destiny player knows you cannot leave this game as you will always return.

[@masterchiefofhalo4525]

As a Titan main I think you should buy Lightfall. I already did months ago and don’t plan to change it. Strand so far does seem lackluster but I have hope that there will be something we can do for it to be unique. Maybe they’ll have something similar to the skull fort for the strand melees. Imagine chaining those 3 claw attacks that get progressively faster while each kill also triggers health regen and restores your melee. Never ending chain of slaughter with bladed arms

[@xxdarkslayerlord1922]

Ngl I'm getting tired of being forced to do the same activities over and over again just to get high enough power to do endgame stuff like GMs. Are they taking this out anytime soon?

[@keviniaquinto128]

Yes. They lowered gm requirement this season to be at the soft cap of 1580, but you'll be 40 ll under

[@xxdarkslayerlord1922]

@@keviniaquinto128 i know that but are they gonna be removing pinnacle grind each season just to get to play endgame content?

[@keviniaquinto128]

@@xxdarkslayerlord1922 Can't say for sure, but it looks like we might be ditching power level eventually. As someone who's real-life has gotten more demanding, it's a little bit harder to get to pinnicle cap + 15 on the seasonal artifact every season, but it's still reasonable. I wish light levels didn't exist, and I hope they manage to make a looter shooter without a "number goes up" somehow. I believe in the team behind the game.

[@22GamingGuy]

I think the storylines this year were pretty good. Risen and Seraph had the best content, Rasputin and Cabal always are cool themes. Also battlegrounds are always the best seasonal content IMO. The Light 3.0 changes really saved this year for me. This system is closer to the superior D1 subclass system and may even be better than D1. Trees were terrible but the customization of this system is awesome. But Haunted and Plunder were just not fun to me, The leviathan return was super surprising but quickly became boring to run containment over time. Plunder I think I was just completely burnt out and really didn’t enjoy its content. KF return was the only thing I had fun with.

[@mcch1cken473]

The Witch Queen DLC, especially Risen in a way was fun. I loved playing like it was The Taken King. Haunted was fantastic till Plunder. Imma say this, I don't know if Plunder just made me realized how boring D2 is or its just not the season I'm excited or enjoyed. Just a season that is just grinding and grinding until your fatigue. King's Fall was the make up for me, I like the encounters and such, the only problem is that they should've gave Adept weapons from the Master version more unique and given them enhanced perks (Yes, I know they are giving adept raid weapons enhanced, just felt like the should've done it early.) Overall, Plunder wasn't good and was just stressful. Seraph was fine, I would've seen it as amazing and exciting if I wasn't feeling fatigued after Plunder. Seraph was still an improvement. Final opinions? Witch Queen DLC: Greatest DLC, up there with The Taken King and Forsaken. It's Seasons? Just seasons that make you fatigued like Plunder (Except Haunted. Its special to me)

[@kingcurmudgeon8685]

Bungie also buffed some things in Solar 3.0 a week or so in it’s launch. They clearly got the message that people were not happy. Most notably warlocks who lost the ability to eat their grenade to heal. They fixed these issues rather quick.

[@AxisChurchDevotee]

Yet haven't buffed gunpowder gamble which is still meh.

[@nonixus661]

What did they do? As far as I know they still can't eat their grenades but I could be wrong I quit playing warlock after solar

[@kingcurmudgeon8685]

@@nonixus661 Heat Rises grenade now heals you. It didn't at launch.

[@nonixus661]

@@kingcurmudgeon8685 heat rises 💀

[@lordpumpkinhead265]

The problem I have with Seasonal missions is it feels like you only ever get certain maps. I grinded 15 seraphs to get my IKELOS SMG red boxes, but I only went to Mars or the Moon. I wanted to go to Europa as a change of pace, but only ever went to those two specific places.

[@MaruMag]

I have to agree with you here, it made me quite the game for 5 months, I sad about this as season 13 was (in my opinion) the best season that we have had. I thought that season 14 was alright, though it dragged on, and I thought that season 15 was actually good, though it took too long to finish.

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

I wouldn't mind these activities if they were just *ONE* room/encounter less. That is the fundamental problem I have with a lot of these activities since they did the seasonal model: It just goes on a little too long but props to them for giving us dungeons and raids on top of all of this. Would love for them to add D1 strikes with strike based loot too going forward. Every season we get either 1 new Dungeon or Raid, a D1 Strike remastered w/ strike based loot, and the seasonal activity that is one encounter shorter and I'd be satisfied.

[@NovemberHotel]

Agreed. Solid idea there

[@chelsthegameruiner8669]

Haunted was my personal favorite. Even got the Reaper title (though granted, I got the title because Reaper is my favorite class in FFXIV, it just felt appropriate to me-) Also, I loved Spire of the Watcher. Not only because I love the scout rifle (I LOVE lever-action rifles) and the armor for Warlock was perfect for me. That and being a fan of the Wild West since I played Red Dead Redemption back in my elementary school years, it's obvious I'd love the cowboy theme

[@x9x9x9x9x9]

Seraph was great. I love this season. Honestly up there with chosen or splicer for me but the other 3 were so bad I probably will look back on seraph as bad. 16 was a D+ tier. 17 was like a C- 18 was an F and 19 is B. But I also think splicer (14 S tier) was better than chosen (13 A- tier) so yeah... I might as well rank hunt (12) and lost (15). Hunt for me personally is a C+. But I only put it that high because that's when I really started playing destiny and I really had no idea what was going on or what a good season was and by the time it ended I was just grasping the concept of what was seasonal content vs expansion. Lost would be like A- but I gotta rank it as B-. The fact it was 6 months long sucked. It was just that period between week like 12 and like week 22 where there was no content or story or anything just sucked. However particle deconstruction was a super cool mod and that kinda redeems that season. Plunder was bad on so many levels. But the one that really ruined it for me was the resilience bug and the fact it wasn't fixed for day 1 kings fall. That was one of those things that made me almost quit playing. Had it been on void or stasis then done but the fact it was arc which was the new subclass revamp that season made it so annoying and then Bungie was in no rush to fix it. But they rushed to disable heavy grenade launchers when those were bugged at the same time... As a titan main I was angry. I wanted to use tcrash on bosses in the raid or storm grenades. Then we had gyrfalcons disabled for like 1/2 the season. They also randomly nerfed eager edge that season completely unannounced. Then you had the seasonal title grind which was by far the worst one I've done. Killing 50 of those treasurer's or whatever they were called was a pain. Then they went and changed it to 10 in the final couple of weeks. Which was the right call but they should have changed that when everyone was pointing it out telling them it was stupid. Not wait 10 weeks. It truly felt the most disconnected Bungie has ever been from the game. I was forming a conspiracy the devs know the game is ending after the final shape and that they had given up caring for the game. But this season it feels like Bungie does care and it's hard for me to believe I thought that way. However my new Bungie hate thing is "Bungie devs don't like titans or even play them" I could write another novel ranting about that but this comment is already like 500 words too long lol sorry.

[@jeremidomagaa3530]

They werent underwheling, they were absolutely awful with the only highlight being haunted but only during like the first 1/3

[@shira2151]

I like the seasonal business model. It’s great for veteran Destiny players who don’t no life the game. It’s only the No lifes who look too much into everything and complain. Play other games and chill tf out.

[@wintersal449]

I'd say outside of Plunder, the non BP ornament armor you get from the activities/vendors have been consistently good this year, atleast more so than previous seasons. And guns like explosive personality have become a mainstay in my arsenal.

[@bread6235]

for sure, in general the armor was much better looking this year. but the returning D1 armor really put into perspective how overdesigned and clunky current destiny armor is.

[@xdifficultviper9916]

We definitely got way more potent weapons this year theoughout all of the seasons. While the red border grind isn’t the best the rewards are weapons that will almost always be useable. Almost all of risens weapons are good or great, all the opulent weapons are must haves imo and some of the haunted weapons are standouts (looking at bump in the night), plunder is likely the weakest set of weapons but tarnished mettle is the best current arc scout and really other than the two heavies the weapons are decent, and as for seraph again almost every weapon is great or at least interesting.

[@SepticEmpire]

Season of risen gives out the best armor for focusing Like why tf am I getting 50s and 49s from the other season focusing It’s gonna be quite sad once it leaves as that farm has gotten me to triple 100 stats on my characters

[@Moses_Sanchez]

A small note about the chain of command and reckless endangerment, reckless endangerment was one of the most aggressive lightweights, but was underwhelming in the range department and overlooked, chain of command was VERY slept on, especially in a season where machine guns had anti barrier AND didn't have to worry about match game in end game content

[@Green_Sentinel_3]

I quite liked the Ketchcrash strikes. We need more 6 player strikes to let people get better at raiding.

[@xdjojacs3677]

I’m a simple man, I quite liked this year. This year is the primary basis of my opinion on Destiny 2 and yes it has many problems, but I still think this is one of the best games in general. I have definitely felt burnout during the year, specifically Haunted and Seraph because Solar 3.0 was not as entertaining as the others, and in Seraph I’m so excited about lightfall that I wish it would just release now. But all in all, this year was a good year in my eyes.

[@mortimerbalbriggan9766]

Great video as always, I hope lightfall improves the seasonal model

[@FAUXCUSpd]

i think they said the seasonal model will be changed up around season 21 or 22

[@wintereclipse3263]

@@FAUXCUSpd Season 21 was started development with the old model but it's not super far in so they might be able to change it at 21

[@MrThiefPlays]

Haunted is still my personal favorite

[@AndeRabe]

Ah, I missed so much content not playing Destiny that last year... and I could not care less about it. I am so happy with how I come to treat this game eventually. 🙂

[@lemonarque9803]

Yet we still grinded and slayed the same old enemy types we've been trying to slay for almost 10 years now using our reskinned guns and then repeats using our new reskinned strand abilities during lightfall. 😊 Yey D2

[@aceofsharks9837]

I'm of the opinion that every single Witch Queen season was A-Tier. It still floors me that people were saying Plunder was even remotely as bad as Hunt and Worthy.

[@SanSanFTW]

It took me 4 fucking hours one day to beat Caitl Solo bc of me either getting knocked off the map or ringing the bell and dying. Was beyond frustrating

[@fatassjerome2681]

Great video, written verry well, and you definitely highlighted all the important things that happened over the expansions. I definitely think that the seasonal structure needs to change because i feel like every season is the same as the last. It is always a short and boring weekly quest along a main playlist activity and a longer, more story based mission. The level desighn feels really lazy, and i get burnt out really quick. I hope that light fall makes some significant changes.

[@NovemberHotel]

That’s all we can hope for. Glad you enjoyed the video!

[@ryanbeatty5113]

This should explain how this year has went, incredible Witch Queen launch, broken day 1 raid, people who wanted to grind….did….those who didn’t want to complained……to prove that point I intentionally did not craft any of the sought after weapons until last week, & i now have every “crafter god roll” for lightfall……my opinion is not popular, but i think that people who grind hard & play regularly deserve some things that took time to obtain & not something that was later given a “catch up” method

[@skilledgaming5256]

Witch queen and risen spoiled us this year. Best dlc and an ok season. Haunted and plunder are some of the worst seasons tho and that made me disappointed. Seraph is an ok season but it still has me worried for next year. Lightfall is gonna be great and probably better than witch queen. But the seasons after lightfall are going to suffer

[@Dredguno]

The 3.0 subclasses can't be overlooked

[@Indoraptor769]

I really hope there is more than 2 good seasons in lightfall (even though next season is shaping up to be ANOTHER cabal season)

[@TheDirk1141]

These seasons help me retire from Destiny. I faced immense burnout and honestly don't think that's gonna change in lightfall. I hope I'm wrong so that others may enjoy it but the destiny 2 chapter in my life has closed.

[@alejandrocarralero2826]

Season of the Haunted was one of my favorite Destiny seasons, the story was amazing and emotional in ways that no other destiny stories managed to do, Duality is by far my favorite Dungeon and the Derelict leviathan is a great destination in terms of having good loot, MMO features such as world bosses and more and I wish Neomuna captures some of those elements, Plunder was the disappointment for me but then Seraph was absolutely amazing, especially that ending and the return of Rasputin.

[@7218007]

osiris drinking NEZcafe was the worst writing in destiny 2 yet.

[@aidan2747]

Honestly I’m mad at myself for letting go of destiny this past year. It was only this weekend that I realized how out of touch with the game I was asking: “when did ikelos get voltshot? And how are there so many videos about it that I missed??”. And that gave me enough energy to be hyped for LF again

[@fluke7506]

Huge disagree imo I thought witchqueen and the following seasons were amazing While I agree they weren't as good as the ones before it I don't think they're anywhere near the worse

[@grabru7695]

i feel like plunder was meant to be a season focused on doing fun pirate stuff, witthout having to worry much about the story. just a break from the more story heavy seasons, but it just missed the mark

[@pooger7778]

They need to make power grind annual, the seasonal pinnacle grind will be what makes me quit playing destiny. Also I’ve been playing Hogwarts legacy and it’s really refreshing playing a game that is released in full with no micro transactions.

[@darkss8758]

Risen was okay Haunted was me wanting back the old opulent weapons/ the dungeon while not season content was a nice experience Plunder was when I burned out and only played for kings fall and that's about it And this season I didn't even play till the last month or so

[@JamiaKlanister]

I want to say one thing. All that Bungie add to game has a catch. Transmog - grindy, event cards - additional grind and money spending. Continuing the trend im actually afraid that Guardian Rangs will be overgrindy and boring. Like first 3-4 levels are simple, like do 25 partols, 10 heroic public events, etc. 5-6 levels - 3 raids, run 20 strikes, 20 crusible matches, 30 gambit matches(because f u). 7-10 levels - complete 50 raids, 100 crucible matches, own 3 seals, craft and level up to lvl20 15 weapons

[@emperorpalpatine8505]

I agree with Plunder and maybe Haunted a little bit (I loved Haunted, I think it was an A-Tier season and pretty solid overall, especially with lore), but I cant at all agree with Seraph. Seraph is one of the best seasons we've ever received and it's in my personal top 3. I get that this was made before the final cutscene (which boosted it to my top 3) but even before that it was an S-Tier season. The story was 10/10, the loot was 9/10, the exotics were 9.5/10, and the missions/seasonal activities were a 10/10.

[@Juiceair77]

Brutally honest assessment of the last year in D2. Really shows just how out of touch Bungo is with their franchise. They really have taken the money and ran.

[@spikefishnetwork1118]

The missed opportunity to bring back seraph reform gear is sad. I love that robe.

[@TheAxelandx1]

Personally this how the year was for me: Seasonal content:(I'll add my seasonal ranks too , i feel those represent my feel towards the seasons pretty well) -Risen(273): C (serviceable, Witchqueen carried it hard) -Haunted(202):A (great story, "new" patrol area, fun activities) -Plunder(188): F (decent story, decent activities, but this season was the one season where Bungie gave us constant middle fingers until they realized we'll leave if they keep doing it) -Seraph(257+): S (best season of the year, rich with content, not at all frustratingly easy nor frustratingly hard) Raids- -Vow of the Disciple: S+++ (Best raid experience I've ever had, Rhulk is by far my favorite Raid boss and raidboss fight, he feels alive, not at all just a stationary object with a gun like most previous D2 raidbosses) -King's Fall: S (Never played D1, but just like VoG, I love it, it gives that larger than life experience that I've come to expect from every raid, aged beautifully) Dungeons- -Duality: B+ (It's good but the enemy density in some encounters is infuriating, like you got the mechanics nailed down to a T, but then you lose because you suddenly get target locked by every enemy in the room, eveb though there's 2 other players with you) -Spire of the watcher: A (I love it, it's fun, but for a warmind facility I found a lot of workplace safety violations in the platforming areas, and random holes in the flooring through which you can slip through, not at all OSHA approved, also that Kentucky Fried Cunt at the end pisses me off) Season events: -Guardian Games: B (I had a lot of fun, but as always the event was rigged from the start like the previous ones.) -Solstice: D I hate that they no longer allow you to have 2 separate ornaments for both non-glow and white glow. Felt like a waste of my time as i liked the armor better without the glow. I won't even bother with it next year. -FotL: F- (The biggest piece of dogshit this year, Candy became useless, quest was bugged, the grind was unreasonable) -Dawning:S+ (Will always be a good Bright dust farm) Iron Banner; Rift- A (I actually had fun, it felt refreshing prioritizing a goal rather than kills) Eruption - C (First week was Abysmal, i was so infuriated because the first two matches I could barely walk out of spawn because the eruption dude kept rotating between spawns with every match, 2nd week was fun as hell.) Fortress- S++ (As a titan main I'll say this, can't beat them, join'em. I run arc and solar mostly but Fortress made me appreciate strategy, defense and timing with void titan- you may now send me hate mail) Competitive: D- (just like trials, fun if you go Freelance, otherwise if you go solo in regular, kiss your ass and ranking goodbye. Unlike trials, the rewards are not worth it here. Just play trials, least you get more than just 1 unique gun and cool armor.) Miscellaneous: Telesto "Event": F- (Biggest insult to the community at large. I was hoping I'd at least get to press "E" on a scannable object by having Telesto equipped to earn the emblem, but no, they were so lazy that all they did was slap a code on Twitter) Eliksni Quarters event: F (just the Spider doing an elaborate money laundering scheme, complete waste of time. Thanks for giving me red borders for weapons I've already unlocked passively during the first 5 weeks...i didn't see even 1 spec of bright dust). Seraph mission: S (Enjoyable, replayable, never done Whisper or Zero hour back in the day , I've heard those were much better, but I don't have anything to compare Seraph to, so this is my personal experience with it). This year was indeeed a mixed bag.

[@Seb_Falkor]

Lmao you’re so dramatic, it’s hilarious. The Telesto ‘event’ was just a fun nod to the gun and its reputation and you felt insulted? You seriously need to grow up. Modern gamer takes are so embarrassing.

[@Rrr20058bvsc]

I've stopped playing after non stop grinding since D1 beta, feels strange stepping away. But it has to be done the game has become so generic, forcing people to buy the most expensive edition to obtain an exotic and catalyst. New skin on the same content. I really enjoy the premium expansions for the campaign, but after that it is just the same game. I hope people enjoy lightfall. But I'm signing out😁

[@desuzx]

completly agree just from the title alone. even though i havent watched it yet.

[@crossfitnerd1085]

I’m so thankful that there are content creators who criticize this and not on their knees kissing Bungie’s ass. You can love a game and still be critical of it.

[@adeadphish7931]

This year's seasons felt like a noticeable amount of "2 steps forward, 1 step back" there were good stories, fun (for a time) modes and missions, and loot out the wazoo, but for all of that, it was robbed noticeably by the grind, dead space in content for said grind, a samey structure that is showing age and the omnipresent creep of increasing monetization. Imo, altogether, not atrocious like D1Y1 or D2Y1 were, but definitely more pale than D2Y4. 7/10 if I had to quantify it, which is a big drop from the 9 I would give the Witch Queen itself

[@killsguilherme]

Maybe these seasons were underwhelming 'cause Bungie doesn't wanna do the best they can for Destiny 2. That's why I stopped playing the game. :(

[@scrubyt2668]

while I don't think there were any truly bad seasons, certainty nothing on the level of Season of the Drifter, Worthy, or Hunt, I do think only Haunted and and Seraph actually had a reason to enjoy them this year. I truly hope that the final 2 years of this Light and Darkness saga really pull out all the stops leading up our 10 year finally

[@EpticityOG]

Honestly this is why I take breaks in between DLCs and just watch Destiny KZbinrs for seasonal story updates and videos, I only play the DLC and it’s attached season and then take a break I occasionally come back for the Dungeons but that’s it

[@SEVENZEROTWO]

I agree. when content becomes drip and dragged out, it only ends up feeling like a chore.

[@v1l1am95]

Duality and King's Fall's backs must hurt from carrying season of the haunted and plunder

[@RaidenBlvck]

This season was the first time I ever got all weekly’s challenges done 😏

[@jacksonfougeron7438]

Going to say the same thing last year. More tlc to the core activities along with the seasons. Iron banner got some love but that’s it. Where’s my pvp Europa map?

[@scavysaimon2637]

You forgot to mention that the Haunted Lost Sectors were bugged for the entirety of the event.

[@Fadedagent64]

Risen was for sure the best of all of the seasons for me. Seraph is good and it's for sure the best season weve gotten since plunder or haunted at least gameplay wise. Risen had a fun gameplay loop which wasnt too grindy or repetitive and offered a good deal of weapons and gameplay. Thoughtless, Sweet sorrow and who could forget Peace of Mind? PvP was also really great (aside from Loreley), it's meta was good and you could see a lot of great weapons being utilized by players. There were a lot more subclasses used but invis hunter still dominated in some way. I think overall Risen and Seraph were the best since they had more to offer than Plunder and Haunted. This year was truly underwhelming but I hope that Lightfall will bring in a Vex themed season as they have been revealed in the Lightfall trailers. My guess is that itll be Vex themed and maybe tie it into the witness since Vex are literally darkness robots.

[@MysticCasey]

Outside of the Subclass 3.0 updates for each season just looking at the seasons themselves it's like Shadowkeep all over again. Risen: The expansion and it's grind got me playing this season and not the seasonal content itself. Haunted: Actually played the seasonal content because it was good but the story was lacking. Plunder: The definition of "They had us in the first half." Seraph: The lore was great, story is going strong with questions and theories. Content isn't bad but it feels like I'm playing for Lightfall and not the current season.

[@Nailfut]

Risen did its job, it was the "best" season to launch alongside a major dlc. I enjoyed both Haunted and Seraph, more for the story admittedly. Plunder was mediocre. My main issue here is that all seasons felt like they put the minimum effort required to make "yet another standard Destiny 2 season". Beyond Light finally showed us the potential of the seasonal model and the Witch Queen expansion upped its game too. Then? It seems Bungie just said:"aight, back to basics, now just do your usual stuff, you liked it so much last year after all!". I really wonder how much Light 3.0 reworks took away from developing better seasons. Not much, there are multiple teams inside Bungie, ofc. And yet, this year felt like they focused more on giving us new ways/power/builds to just repeat the same exact old content. Besides WQ's campaign, Duality was the peak of this year for me. Unfortunately though, as a hardcore Warlock main, this year did more bad than good to my playstyles. Only one new exotic really changed things up, Osmiomancy Gloves. Secant Filament and mainly Fallen Sunstar just exist to compensate for what Light 3.0 took from us Warlocks. Rain of Fire is niche for now, but it might turn really good in Lightfall. Now, the elephant in the room: Dawnblade. - Bottom tree, the pve explosive maniac and its synergy with Dawn Chorus? Completely gone. - Middle tree's nuances were doomed once they decided to give healing nades to all classes removing the ability to turn any nade into a healing one. Well, at least the Lumina+Boots of the Assembler build would still work as it used to, right? Of course not. So, what's left of the healer identity? Oh, right, Well of Radiamce, how cool... - Top tree basically is all that's left. Two out of three aspects are TTD abilities, wtf? Solar warlock is just an incomplete monster that lost most of its identity. In return, it got the strongest warlock build ever with Starfire Protocol, which became mandatory all throughout the game, making everything dull as a return: imagine being the only Warlock in a full Master Knightfall run and still managing to have your Well ready all the time thanks to this build, while you just use nades to do all the work. Rant over. Great campaign, Year 5 underdelivered.

[@Xong217]

Haunted had a good story just weak gameplay. Plunder sucked. And seraph somehow ended up being the best season of the year

[@DoomA165]

Season 17 was the beginning of the end... Of my interest in seasons for the year. Agree or disagree, I hate solar 3.0 (for warlocks). We are now out healed by other classes because of healing nades. And the bottom tree was completely removed. Then to make things worse, top tree got split into 2 aspects and then... A grenade aspect.....Yaaaaaaaay. The only reason it hasn't completely fallen into irrelevancy, is because of well and Starfire. If neither of these existed or we're good, it would see no use. Especially in PVE

[@DoomA165]

Edit: or we're good at all. I hate autocorrect

[@IGniTo100]

I don't like how every season just deviates from the current expansion theme and aesthetic and I also don't like how every season is just an asset flip. The asset flip plays a big role in feeling burnt out.

[@Silencers]

Risen was an add-on to the expansion, Haunted had the best story beats, Plunder was the dullest, and Seraph was QOL fiesta to tie a bow on the whole year of content.

[@jaredbertoldo1047]

Bungie needs to promote their content more. They didn’t care because after the success of Beyond Lights year, everyone preordered WQ so they already sold it why bother with marketing. The light 3.0 also sucked effort away from the seasons. Those updates as far as I know were free and came whether you bought the season or not. But it made it so the actually seasonal content was less polished. I’m mainly disappointed with the story telling. This whole seasonal year the stories have been quite bad. I dont even touch the holiday events, and have stopped playing PvP because of these seasons.

[@firstlast6437]

Started the current season a few days ago and it really put into perspective just how bad the season quest design is. It goes: do random stuff for 5-10 minutes to get 500 materials, run one single heist battleground, go to the helm and listen to badly written dialogue (wtf happened to the exo strangers accent??), go do a 5 minute mission in a reskinned area with a reskinned boss, go back to the helm and listen to more bad dialogue and then repeat 6-7 more times. I feel really bad for people who played from the start of the season because you had to wait a week for each one of these terrible quest steps.

[@johnprice6271]

I would have LOVED a nightmare themed Raid. Duality scratches that itch a bit, but it doesn't nearly have the flare that a revamped Nightmare Leviathan would have.

[@notevenjuice1565]

Man I love this topic. So much that I scroll through the thousands and thousands of people that have been bitching about the same thing for 6 months. Very original stuff here

[@jlb4685]

I paid for the deluxe like a mug and didn’t play a single one of them. I am beyond sick of the seasonal copy paste. Won’t be buying the deluxe version again. Just gonna treat Destiny as a once per year affair now.

[@AndreVBr]

Smart

[@AndreVBr]

There are way better games anyway

[@Poseidon-1]

I enjoyed haunted and seraph quite a lot risen and plunder were definitely a little meh but they still had some kick ass weapons that came along with the seasons