DESTINY discusses modern dating dilemmas PART 1

On this episode of The Emily & Todd Podcast, Destiny discusses how the dating market is impacted by streaming, his opinion on dating apps, and what he really thinks of female content creators that post provocative content. It’s no surprise this podcast has some uncomfortable discussions but with some real solutions. Let us know in the comments what you believe and what your experience has been.
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[@mrdouche9172]

Destiny in the span of a couple of months have been on every podcast on the planet.

[@Pssst.ByTheWay]

Fir rizzle

[@Tlord_]

not Rogan..yet

[@mrdouche9172]

@@Tlord_ I think Rogan is slowly cooking something really special behind the scenes. A clout-exploding gigabanger of an episode. Tate and Destiny on the same episode.

[@ACE112ACE112]

has*

[@Kr0g3rnazy]

He needs to go back on PKA

[@kazzz2765]

This is one of the best destiny interviews i’ve seen. Wouldn’t have expected that from such a small channel, but here we are. Thank you so much guys!!!

[@theemilyandtoddpodcast]

Thanks! We just started!

[@paulkrugman359]

bro got the gybe! pfp tho

[@kazzz2765]

@@paulkrugman359 bros a hardcore paul krugman fan?

[@curatorantoine4081]

CAN WE HAVE PART 2 ALREADY I CANT WAIT

[@theemilyandtoddpodcast]

Tomorrow part 2 will be released at noon EST

[@Kasian1]

Another great episode! Its nice to watch some mature content. Im so tired of red pill content repeating the same talking points without any nuance.

[@theemilyandtoddpodcast]

Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@schizophrenic_AI]

17:46 lmaooooo the absolute state of “asking for a friend”.

[@orenmontgomery8250]

"My buddy..." 🧐

[@deanthroop8054]

Excellent conversation as usual, thank you. I have heard about a lot of people using IG as a dating app, but how does that work? Maybe I missed something, but I cannot find people in my area. 98% of the people I follow or see in my feed are not in my area.

[@mrdouche9172]

IG is the best dating app... if you have a blue checkmark and your followers are at the very least in the 6 figures. Otherwise, it's not.

[@Slyfa187]

I think it depends on how big the city you live in is. What you have to do is look at the suggested friends and/or followers of your friends. Chances are that these accounts are somewhat near to you. What the guy above me is talking about is true, doesn't mean normal people can't use it for that though.

[@TheRealSaintNickNorthside]

Never thought I'd see this collaboration! Great talk

[@007MrYang]

I love how they brought up the Destiny stripper name thing. They participated in the meme without even knowing lol

[@darkerisbetter8699]

I'm not in love with the line of thinking around 53:00. I have some great friendships with guy friends, but I still want a young woman's love. The physical touch, sexuality, sweetness, and more from a young lady are distinct pleasures. I can be content and single, but the highest highs of life require both.

[@cjsumm1796]

I think he's saying that in general a lot of guys don't have those great friends

[@Godfailedyoustophumpinghisleg]

​@@cjsumm1796And if guys don't want to hang around you and women dont want to hang around you, destiny is pinpointing where to lie blame, which in most cases he says is the indavidual who is not doing enough. Not good enough for friends, not good enough for dates, not good enough in general.

[@cjsumm1796]

@@Godfailedyoustophumpinghisleg I mean, being a good friend is a skill and active effort on the individuals part. Socialization is a big part of setting a person up to be like that

[@inspektorsx683]

Good podcast! You guys could bring Torsha (Torrie Groh) she gives a good female perspective about relationships.

[@BlackPanthaGaming]

Destiny is the perfect guest to talk about these issues it's nice to finally have a female perspective

[@Dennis37591]

Lmao

[@flaco1010]

Shoulda checked what Destiny’s wife does on twitch haha

[@Jake38nine]

I'm much more introverted and barely leave my house anymore due to working from home, and yet I still shower. I just canNOT sleep very well without feeling clean. And I'm also not much of spender and don't need a lot of space, so my house is kinda empty. If I had a girlfriend, she'd probably be the one making it more full xD But I think that's the woman's natural tendency whereas men can live on fewer things, that's why "provider" is normally associated with a woman in the picture, otherwise why does he need to provide much else?

[@ulizez89]

Let's be honest, unless he plays the famous KZbinr card, Destiny is not getting 50 matches a week on tinder! Pure lies he's spewing!

[@WanderTheNomad]

Is 1 in 10 really that high?

[@ulizez89]

@@WanderTheNomad It's crazy high, like literal male models can't get a 1 in 10 match ratio. Here is one example for a guy way way WAY more attractive than Destiny and he only gets a 15% match ratio. Search "**GIGA CHAD** Tinder Experiment Proves How Easy It Is For Top 5% Guys" on youtube.

[@dbcitizen4355]

@@ulizez89 That's because, as Destiny points out, women values looks but not nearly as much maturity/security/careers. I bet you an average-looking surgeon would be way more successful on Tinder than a gigachad male model.

[@potatopatatajr7817]

Let's be honest guys if he wasn't successful no girl would want him

[@melisailayza9044]

Realistically, if he didn’t have the clout and $, he would very much struggle with finding a woman.

[@lili_naa]

aint this a lil handsome fella with blue hair

[@navarone4031]

Now way that man is 50 years old

[@EvolianTiger]

You cam tell by his mouth and jaw

[@orenmontgomery8250]

50:06 True.

[@xybersurfer]

11:48 where the hell is Destiny getting this? unless the creator is flirting, i don't think there is normally an expectation for her to create an OnlyFans when they become popular

[@orenmontgomery8250]

"My buddy" 🤨🧐

[@insertmoney2189]

Good podcast

[@TiotiopJ]

her voice is so fckin familiar... wheres it from?

[@lindholmaren]

49:35 >they videogame themselves monka

[@theemilyandtoddpodcast]

I totally misspoke lol. I’m new at podcasting!

[@lindholmaren]

@@theemilyandtoddpodcast haha that's fine I quite liked the pod In case what you meant by misspoke referred more to just saying something grammatically "wrong": "videogaming yourself" usually refers to taking ones own life, stemming from people first making joke threats (like "I'm gonna blow up your house if we lose") and eventually censoring it in fear of bans by adding "in Minecraft", "in Overwatch", and eventually just "in a videogame". Then verbing it to mean most any serious violence, to eventually just be used like "I hate this so much in going to videogame myself" Thus my joking concern, because it got dark in a very not serious way and I know you didn't mean it like that

[@TheDonnyl]

Good

[@getusome6776]

great content we need more nuance 👍

[@Vicari0us_YT]

My god, Destiny has the worst take on the dating apps ever. Clearly has not used any to form an educated opinion

[@brianmeen2158]

Ehh he’s giving you his honest opinion - to be fair I don’t know how he could reach the conclusion that dating apps are a net positive for people. It would be difficult to get accurate data on this.

[@ClellBiggs]

This guy talks like Quentin Tarantino.

[@JOSE-18]

Destiny thinks he’s so smart, but the guy is such a blue pill dude that he limits his own perspective a lot of the times.

[@theemilyandtoddpodcast]

Very true Jose but he is starting to shift

[@TheSkeletonjelly]

Destiny lost this debate.

[@brianmeen2158]

It wasn’t a debate though, just a back and forth conversation

[@Magni87]

Oh no! The intro is cursed! Destiny hasn't hit 600k subscribers on YT yet and it's screwed up so many portfolios.

[@melisailayza9044]

Destiny added some good points about how men view women on Onlyfans. For some reason I can’t stand Emily. Maybe it’s the difference of opinions.

[@Pssst.ByTheWay]

I havnt watch this yet. What does destiny think men think about OF? Do you agree with that? Can you say what your differences of opinion are to Emily?

[@Pssst.ByTheWay]

Destiny has hood points? alex grace (other podcasr guests) is a credible source of information to me. Hes been doing this a while with a wealth of scientific papers to back it up. Him i think has some under grad in psychology and his buddy matt is in a graduate program looking to go into clinical practice Destiny may have valid points, Emily maybe too. But they are anecdotal opinions. Especially destiny .. i don’t know. He has been everywhere or and had all sorts on his stream.. he is a professional streamer, intake every he says with salt. Its good to have Todd around with his clinical background to keep things factual

[@owo3632]

@@Pssst.ByTheWay when it comes to something as nuanced as nu world relationships and the way the internet has affected them you cant just autistically look at stats and come to a conclusion of "this is this, because this study said so" in my opinion anecdotal evidence from somebody who has engaged in these relationships for decades and actively seeks them out weighs a lot more than these undeveloped psychology studies

[@Pssst.ByTheWay]

@@owo3632 i think your reply was supressed. If I go to the OPI, don’t see your comment listed underneath, but I see it in my notifications and I can click it. Interpreting statistics is an art form innovative, and often you can interpret them to fit a narrative But that said if you are an honest actor, then the anecdotal evidence should be accounted for in the general result of the statistical analysis. That said statistics is just an estimation and gives a probability And as we know with probabilities, what’s the probability of a coin, toss 50-50. But it is entirely possible to throw a coin in the air, 1 million times and get the same face pointing up. That doesn’t make the statistic of 50-50 wrong, nor would it make the anecdotal evidence that coins always land on the same face anymore, right? But that is the reality of a statistic viewed through the lens of an individual data point. 🤷‍♀️

[@owo3632]

@@Pssst.ByTheWay yea i agree with most of that, one point i would like to make with ur coin analogy is that if ur factor is just a coin and flipping it, its very easy to interpret compared to human behavior at this level i just think too many fall into the trap of looking at a statistic (such as the tinder matches this one gets thrown around a lot) and getting trapped in the black hole of redpill rhetoric rather than taking it at face value and realizing its part of something much bigger, i believe this is what todd and pillers do to an extreme degree and it immensely harms their world view and anyone who is susceptible to these ideas also not sure whats happening to the comments

[@connorlucas5035]

Isn’t only fans just indie porn ?? What’s their big deal..

[@orenmontgomery8250]

I think the big deal is that having the porn industry easily accessible and somewhat secretly available to the circle of friends/family of every 18 year old has large implications for society and gender relations. If, as in the old days, you need to run away from home and seek out some weirdo in LA to start doing porn that barrier to entry keeps the industry niche and in check. Now, hundreds or thousands of people in your home town/city are showing their privates to anyone with $10 including your friends, niece, neighbor, etc.

[@connorlucas5035]

@@orenmontgomery8250 is that such a bad thing if these people want to do it ?? Just for the record you know we all have body parts, it’s not some secret. Society making it taboo is why it’s taboo. Clearly society is changing to be more accepting with the wide spread use of only fans. Would it really be such a bad world if we didn’t stigmatize people who want to show them selves off?

[@orenmontgomery8250]

@connorlucas5035 Changing stigma happens much more slowly. There's a HUGE contingent of people (men and women, but men tend to make bigger deals of it) who highly value exclusivity and purity. To these people, it is more special and more magical that they've been given something unique. People commonly bring up the evolutionary psychology argument about millions of years of evolution tailoring our emotions to want this (for survival/paternity certainty) and for simple supply and demand reasons (again, if everyone has seen her, or watched her have sex, then it's less valuable than if very few have). There's also just the strangeness of having your neighbor (who is your age) watching your daughter put things inside herself. It makes all of those relationships awkward. You might say, "But wouldn't it be nice if everyone was just fine with it?" But honestly, even if that's true (which is hugely debatable), it doesn't matter because the hardware isn't wired that way for the vast majority of people. It's why most people still want an exclusive relationship and treat cheating as a hard deal breaker. Also, a lot of people make decisions they regret HUGELY when they're young. There are mountains of stories of women with regret. Women who decided to capitalize on their sexual value in their youth to become a prostitute (or prostitute lite) overwhelmingly regret it once that value has gone along with the revenue stream and they are left without their beauty, the money, and now their reputation and pool of willing romanric partners. The thinking is, if he doesn't care that you have sex with other people, he probably doesn't really care much about you. The use of Only Fans is by no means acceptance of the creators there. Brothels were very popular throughout history, too. It doesn't mean the women were valued as love interests. "Society treats it like a taboo, that's why it's a taboo" is basically a meaningless statement. The same could be said for any other taboo and the reasons still remain (cannibalism, incest, etc). Also, there's a big difference between not stigmatizing someone for stripping and wanting to be in a relationship with a stripper or wanting that for your neice.

[@soydansogukcesme470]

i think the guy with blue hair.. denies a lot and is in some parts delusional..

[@ulizez89]

Let's be honest, unless he plays the famous KZbinr card, he is not getting 50 matches a week on tinder!

[@soydansogukcesme470]

@@ulizez89 i used online aps in my early 20ys ..and even then i used them just sometimes.. i know how go up to a woman and talk ect.. so and online i have a big strugle .. a big big big stugle.. and i am not bad looking. i am like physicly and face ect.. i am a 9 but since i am short.. 163 cm i have almost zero chance online.. that is why i go outside and talk with chicks.. and it works. it works 1000 times better then online. even hot girls and woman who are 180 cm going instantly with me home.. no dinner.. no bs around. but i tell you online is brutal for like 80 maybe 90 % of all men.

[@dbcitizen4355]

@@ulizez89 Bro, I get around that many matches and I'm not any more attractive than Destiny. I'm just in my mid-30s, have a really, really good career, a sense of humor, and good finances. As Destiny says, women tend to value maturity/security more than anything in a man. Dating market studies show that the men who get the most attention on dating apps are in their 40s and that women consider the ideal age of a man to be late 30s/early 40s. You can honestly not be the most physically attractive guy, but if you can show that you have a career, can handle money, and have some success to your name, you will have women interested in you.

[@xybersurfer]

@@soydansogukcesme470 you keep taking women home, but no relationship?

[@soydansogukcesme470]

@@xybersurfer why should i go in a relationship.. maybe at 40 i do.. but now ..no thanks.. if you would know.. how much woman beg me to marry them

[@antoniobrasse7157]

I can't listen to Destiny just because of the way he looks and sounds. I imagine 100% of his audience that watches him religiously are incels/betas/simps.

[@Shams-fe6lq]

Yeah the bee movie doesn’t really warrant a sequel. Eagerly waiting for Kung Fu Panda 4.

[@antoniobrasse7157]

@Tony Montana this isn't his channel. I stopped 2 minutes in. I really expected someone like Emily to not give charlatans like him a stage. This guy is literally the definition of a simp and incel and some how he's one of the most viewed in the manosphere. Shows how dumb the majority of the people are that absorb manoswamp content.

[@antoniobrasse7157]

@Tony Montana married to some former hooker or something or some onlyfans chic. Feel free to follow in his footsteps, I believe he has openly said she bangs other dudes. If that's what you want for your life, go for it.

[@owo3632]

i cant even imagine what you look and sound like

[@antoniobrasse7157]

@Tony Montana pretty sure she was and he said so at one point. Let's see all their hoes lol.

[@MichelangeloBeats]

That’s woman has a beautiful beard

[@hoopslaa5235]

high value and real men don't match their hair...to anything. Ever. Yes, thats his culmination he made himself. But he erred pills a lot of his own views, dont lie kids ;)

[@damianespinoza809]

It was for a charity event he raised a certain amount and a goal/punishment was him dying his hair

[@Milkman69ner]

Wtf?! Lol Destiny doesn’t do dating

[@Desklamp22]

Man this podcast is new to me, but I really enjoyed it love the 2 host

[@theemilyandtoddpodcast]

Thanks!

[@xiondisc]

Most sources I've found say it's closer to 80% male and 20% female on Twitch.

[@Chris-il5im]

Great convo. Always happy to have a outside perspective on the red pill stuff. thanks

[@theemilyandtoddpodcast]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@chzbrgr666]

Hey, this podcast is really interesting, and I enjoyed the clips I saw of it a lot. Came over from Destiny-land to here to watch the full part 1.

[@theemilyandtoddpodcast]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@justlooking1087]

Todd is missing one important thing when talking about the type of women who are more likely to strip nowadays. A lot of the better looking strippers have started to become bartenders and bottle girls over the last six or seven years. So it isn’t that more attractive women stopped stripping because they’re having so much success on OF. There are just more avenues for women to monetise their looks nowadays, OF being one of them. Bottle girls and Startenders became popular way before OF became mainstream. OF only became mainstream during the pandemic.

[@theemilyandtoddpodcast]

Thanks for the insight. Would bottle girls make less than dancers though?

[@justlooking1087]

@@theemilyandtoddpodcast They can make the same, if not more, if they have a following and bring men to the clubs. I even remember strippers in NYC going on “strike” and signing a petition to stop club owners from taking their tips and giving them to the bartenders and bottle girls. From what I’ve heard, I’ve never actually seen it in person, the only difference between them and strippers is that they don’t get completely naked.

[@anubisthacutest4752]

@@theemilyandtoddpodcast most of the time dancers make more

[@millevenon5853]

Love the discussion

[@tyberiusmcintyre3411]

you guys look a lot more comfortable here than in your video call, an easy listen and easy watch as well!

[@johnhaas3270]

Awesome video with great insight

[@raulthree]

why is this not on Spotify?

[@ronnie5329]

41:00 I think serial killers would have the most perfekt IG/Social Media account

[@tannu4377]

Is it me or is Destiny just not answering the questions correctly for the first 10 minutes?

[@meggsgg]

wish these were on spotify!

[@Moshm4n]

I remember Destiny from the old Starcraft days way before he started streaming. I didn't realize he was in this dating discussion space until recently. And as someone with ADHD, I get that same effect with Adderall. It's wild how calm and centered I get.

[@skyefox]

I've always described Adderall as a laser pointer for your brain.

[@Moshm4n]

@@skyefox Great way to put it.

[@Macheako]

Definitely helps me with staying focused.

[@coreysmith2384]

I thought destiny was gay???