Destiny Talks w/ Taftaj (Passing, Being a Woman, Matt Walsh)

[@ethakis]

Louis Rossman contributed a lot to this conversation.

[@justthecraft]

Taft saying she doesn't pass is insane to me. If I saw her walking through Walmart I would never suspect she's trans. Even if she speaks, her voice is very feminine.

[@chasedawson5631]

100% AGREE

[@thekingofsting9929]

its a little smegolish

[@misanthropicmusings4596]

I think its the dysphoria. She hinted as much. And yes, she passes well. In fact if I didn't know who she was I'd be thinking that she was a cis woman.

[@Kittylover074]

COOMER

[@JoeWilikers]

@@thekingofsting9929what?

[@eleannakritikaki4811]

LOOOOOL She definitely passes!!! I had NO idea she was trans before Destiny asked her. Also,it's weird to say that transwomen do not pass as a rule. Many do! Most probably don't. I think she's being overly self critical and this causes her to be 'tough with the truth' etc. Also not even actual women look like the ideal feminine creature 100%. I am sure that if you go around looking for stealthy transwomen you will definitely get a few false positives too

[@Yor_gamma_ix_bae]

You can tell by the arms and how they walk usually in person.

[@CaneSugarHD]

You can tell from the voice, but otherwise I'd agree.

[@notsorry3631]

I've only ever been fooled by 2, and neither completely. There are always tells. With Taft it's his voice and this weird tic he does with his mouth.

[@Orangejulius4414]

@@notsorry3631 cringe

[@magganon]

@@notsorry3631 I know what you mean about the tic, but how is that specifically a trans thing?

[@XisoLate]

Taft is one of my favorite oribiters of DGG. Always good convos she has with Destiny. Solid on panels even if you fully don't agree with her.

[@Zach-cn4lb]

I can’t put into words how refreshing and interesting it is to listen to a convo on these topics between people that aren’t purely ideologically driven in one direction or another

[@blueberryshortcake8478]

i see this exact comment phrased differently every single destiny video where he talks with someone. it’s always “ wow they are so civil with each other despite being on opposite sides “ , it’s like that’s most of the people here’s only take away from alot of his debates.

[@rei_flac]

Kinda jumping on what Destiny said about trans women probably knowing more about cis woman features than some cis women, the most I've ever learned about the male anatomy was from a lecturer that was a trans man. He had a 100x deeper understanding about everything that goes into the male anatomy than I'd ever know. Just an interesting anecdote that I thought of while watching

[@JesusChrist42000]

Bro all you need to know is pee is stored in the balls that's all you need to know from a cis man btw

[@conot4006]

I think the issue Taftaj is trying to communicate to destiny is demanding a world where trans women are truly seen as women is an impossible dream and when you set your goal so high, you are always bound to fail. No matter how many people say trans women are women when it comes to intercourse most people will still expect you to tell them you're trans beforehand. If this is the case, you will always be let down because you will never feel like a real woman.

[@ExeErdna]

That's a "Catch-22" being trans is a paradox that's why Taf brought up people REALLY need to address their mental illnesses. Yet this is something people been saying for YEARS. Yet now we loons with power making it worse for pretty much everybody because they're mental and have the online/echo chambered brainrot.

[@siphomnisi3842]

Why don't you mingle with trans mandems then???

[@yewtewbstew547]

There's also just that even if you are passing, but never put yourself in that position, the only reason people view you as a woman is because they don't know otherwise. And I think anyone who is trans will be constantly aware of that, that's a source of dysphoria that will always be an obstacle. People _say_ "trans women are women", but that's never really a completely honest statement. Even the people who claim to believe it in the most literal sense know there are differences, otherwise transition surgeries wouldn't need to exist.

[@dalminehoff8985]

On god taf is the only person that could tell me they're Trans right before sex and I'd still do it

[@notsorry3631]

He is an outrageously pretty dude. He would be more passing if he stopped doing that weird thing with his mouth.

[@NoticeThisMusic]

Taf is so fucking hot, it shows how crazy stressful gender disphoria has to be that even she gets these intense periods of thinking she doesnt look like a woman

[@doktormabuse4794]

@@notsorry3631 Like 80 year old with dentures.

[@sigigle]

@@notsorry3631 Erm is that a trans or male trait? Does it really give it away? It looks a bit like a fish breathing, but I don't think it's a male/trans thing...

[@lirruping]

Have more Taftaj on. She is one of the most thoughtful and articulate people I've seen on your stream.

[@mobeytaguire8583]

She’s such a sweet girl man, I feel bad for her if she’s struggling

[@Savebabygorilla]

That’s a dude

[@islayreptilianhybrids8947]

Not a girl it's a dude pretending to be a woman

[@tomogburn2462]

@@Savebabygorilla Well, thats a hot dude then.

[@theclosetedplantlover5524]

@@tomogburn2462 based

[@thescarecrow897]

@@tomogburn2462 you're attracted to men?

[@GikamesShadow]

About passing and especially Taft passing: I didnt realize she was trans till I looked more into her stuff. Still hot.

[@cevan5042]

🧢

[@reiggier9211]

@Highoffmatcha taftaj is so hot wtf are you talking about I was slobbering this entire video

[@GikamesShadow]

@@cevan5042 not everyone overanalyzes everyone like a Twitter moron

[@scoopydooder]

Lmfao @6:45 afaik that is the most disingenuous reading of anything I've ever seen that I'm almost impressed. People weren't mad that she was "disappointed in her own transition" people were pissed because she was broadly prescribing her experience to every trans person. She never clarified "this is how I feel about me" she just tweeted that shit like a broad prescription to the entire community.

[@testcase6997]

Yeah she’s such a dishonest person

[@weirdo3116]

It's the little dog big dog meme

[@honest_bishop5905]

All of them are men even if they pass

[@Yor_gamma_ix_bae]

They can’t even hear it. Think about that for a second.

[@reiggier9211]

@@honest_bishop5905 why

[@itachi65ful]

The thing I learnt that everyone struggles with is feeling or becoming or working towards becoming Authentic. Doing anything for inauthentic reasons do not make you feel good. you would think it would but when you achieve your goal you don't feel any better. For example weight loss. People lose weight but gain it back. Most of these people including myself set off with the mentality of,"This will make me feel better." But once you achieve your goal you don't feel better. You feel exactly the same as you did before. Things around you might have changed but in your head you have not. I came to realize it's because the reason we set out to achieve this goal was for a inauthentic or wrong reason. We didn't do it for ourselves we did it for others or what we perceive others wanted from us, rather than doing it for ourselves. What we needed to do was find our own reason not someone elses reason for this goal that should of been ours.

[@JHorvathCinema]

Taf passes really well I think. I do empathize with the mental health frustrations

[@jaehaeryssnow]

Kinda bad ngl

[@Rileytabourn]

I think the issue with pronoun sharing is really that it was made bigger than it ever needed to be. As a trans woman who had to wait to transition…I can’t just show up with a new name looking like the opposite gender one day and even if I could people would have a lot of questions and those close to me would still have to adjust the way they view and address me. But I don’t need clearly cis people reminding others to address them as they way they present. You already give the appropriate social signals.

[@DGzCarbon]

I don't know why people pretend the majority of trans women pass. They don't. Most of them don't. They still deserve love and respect but lying isn't good either

[@zer0nix]

You only notice the ones who don't. The rest of them have no reason to share their reproductive status.

[@DGzCarbon]

@@zer0nix nobody is asking about reproductive status. You can tell if someone is male or female based on looks alone 99% of the time. The issue is that even a lot of the trans people that people say "pass" don't actually pass and it's just something said to be kind. There are trans people who legitimately pass. But it's not most of them. This isnt really that controversial

[@ash1eyrose]

99%? If someone passes, then you will only know they're trans if you're told. Its like thinking all plastic surgery results look terrible, but in reality you're only noticing the botched jobs cuz the good ones look normal. And a lot of female to male trans people pass, its male to female that have gone through puberty that have the most issues. Testosterone causes changes that aren't reversible.

[@DGzCarbon]

@Ashley male to female is what we're discussing. Yes a majority of them don't pass. "You don't know if they don't tell you" sounds good until you realize most of the ones that people say do pass, don't. People are just typically being nice. Some do pass. Absolutely. But a majority don't. It's super expensive to try and pass and even some that spend the money still don't pass. This isn't a slight against them. They deserve love and respect like everyone else. But a majority do not pass. And like I said before we are discussing male to female.

[@ash1eyrose]

@@DGzCarbon I’m not disagreeing with that the majority don’t pass, but that’s a lot different than 99%

[@SigmaMale558]

The most CRINGE thing a woman can do in an online space is try to do UwU shit while people are making counter points. It's psychotic

[@goRoberth]

@Danny Dreadnought squadW

[@csbrooks]

How is it psychotic to do what is the most effective thing to do to accomplish your own selfish ends

[@TonyCox1351]

She is probably for real psychotic so yeah

[@francisxavier8374]

@@csbrooks is this sarcasm

[@benevolentbaphomet]

@Danny Dreadnought soooo... Jabs and hooks?

[@waltanthony1988]

I honestly did not know Taft was trans the first time she was on a panel with Steven.

[@Earthad23]

I just learned that she is a man

[@scaryjoker]

Wtf he's a man??????? Lying should be illegal

[@JT-ne8du]

@@Earthad23 well she’s not

[@JT-ne8du]

@@scaryjoker she’s not a man though is she

[@scaryjoker]

@@JT-ne8du if the guy was born with certain chromosomes that makes him a MAN. Cutting off his willy and sticking silicone into his chest doesn't make him a woman dumbo

[@azuram]

Listened to this at work and every time I'd glance back to my phone I'd see Louis hanging out in the upper corner for this convo lol

[@baby_ghoul]

Many people equate "passing" to looking conventionally attractive, and while being attractive helps with life in general, it's not really what that word should mean, but there's probably a broader conversation about unrealistic beauty standards for women in there somewhere too. I know a lot of women who don't like to be around men in general because they feel they have to perform this hyper feminine caricature, and if you've ever been a girl on a girls trip, you know the level of hatred that exists for the girl who invites her boyfriend. As for her tweet, it's bait. It's pretty cringe to be that edgy and then act sweet and innocent about how people interpreted what you said. If she clarified that she was talking about her own transition, then she wouldn't have gotten the responses she did, and she knows that. I don't get why she's playing dumb.

[@ExeErdna]

Because that's how you work Twitter, why make sense when you can make people mad?

[@Zenbon111]

Ugly bitches dont pass, ugly trans bitches dont pass

[@kietey14]

I just noticed all of the stocks at the top. Omg I love this.

[@treacherousjslither6920]

I think Taftaj made a good point about transitioning not solving the problem. The mental health issue will always be there because you know you're faking it. If you were really what you believe you are there would be no need to transition.

[@matthewedwards8576]

I kind of get why destiny doesn’t like self id but also don’t get it. He’s said before that self id is a logical fallacy, that just because you say you are something doesn’t mean you are, which is true. But I’ve also heard people use the phrase “I identify as” to just mean “I am” before, like “I identify as an atheist” is synonymous with “I am an atheist”. And when they’re using that phrase “I identify as a women” all that means is “I am someone with a female gender identity” which you may disagree that they have or not, but it’s not a logical fallacy.

[@andrewkuzik5008]

Well the issue is that people use self ID as justification for the claim “I am a woman.” So their argument sounds likes this: I am a woman because I self Identify as a woman. It seems pretty circular and not a good argument. For the atheist example, what makes someone an atheist isn’t only that they self ID as an atheist (this may be necessary but not sufficient to be an atheist). To be an atheist you would also probably need criteria that qualifies you as an atheist. Which would probably be some sort of belief in god not existing or an absence of belief in god. So going back to the Self ID for woman. Self ID isn’t enough it might a piece of being a woman but there needs to also be criteria for what a woman can be or cannot be as a category. Most trans debate hinge on what this criteria is. People usually fall into 3 camps, but there is a lot of overlap: biological, psychological, or sociological.

[@matthewedwards8576]

@@andrewkuzik5008 If that is what they’re saying “I am a woman because I self identify as a woman” then I agree that it’s circular and not a good definition. But if that saying means what I’ve heard it more often to be, which is “I am someone who has a female gender identity” then it wouldn’t be circular. You might then get into a discussion about what that means. But to me it just seems like they’re saying “I am a woman” but in a different way, with the more nuanced implication of gender identity attached.

[@thekingofnido]

It just seems like Taftaj is at a new problem because it is overwelmingly true that people who transition are happier after. less than 3% of people who transition feel any form of regret. I like that destiny said that transitioning is just part of the healing, therapy is also another big part of healing.

[@AyubuKK]

Taftaj is an interesting person to listen to on this topic.

[@richardmeares8907]

The “Loser” at the end LMAO

[@Chris_KAy]

i saw podcast recently about humanoid robots and the dude explained that the closer the robot looks like a human, the weirder and untrustworthy it looks to the eye of a human, its a graph of the uncanny valley, where it crashes down to negative trust levels the moment the gap is at a critically close level of realism with some characteristics (like faceanimation not properly, weird robotic movements, ...) feeling off, those in consequence becoming such centers of attention that nothing else matters anymore. as a hetero dude i would argue it would feel the same for me in case of someone who transitioned who has obvious male traits, just like she said: "i feel like i can get to like 99% but never a 100%". ... but in her case ... i dont know, i cannot for the life of me not see a woman, for sure her main issue is how her mind is sort of enslaved to behaving accuratly, it sounds more like anxiety than anything, im a dude with low selfsesteem and ads, always feeling a lil alienated from society, even tho im quite popular and liked all around, for me it doesnt matter because i dont feel like i fit and im walking constantly on broken glass, wich in consequence also leads to a hyperfixation on the bodylanguage and voice of others and myself, im constantly judging, "do i stand straight"? "do i make too much or too less eyecontact?", "does she feel uncomfortable, or is it just me?", "am i talking to much? loud? do i sound interesting?" ... not sure if this relates but it felt like it.

[@chpgmr1372]

Why are there people so hell bent on determining someone elses gender or sex of whatever?

[@Trecesolotienesdos]

Taftaj has a point. i'm not trans but then it's possible that not all trans women will pass. There are trans people who say no matter how feminine they look, some might clock them. it seems pretty difficult to be trans.

[@DMoney_1984]

Looking at the thumbnail, I thought She was a feminist women, since I’ve never heard of her, knowing she’s trans I would have never known..so she passed

[@Owl_Coup_Productions]

Destiny gave out a free therapy session in this debate

[@radicalleftovers1016]

Had no idea Taf was trans when I first saw her. Maybe it's the angles, the camera, the makeup, etc. Or maybe she's just her harshest of critics. If destiny is the Ben Shapiro of the left, Taf is the contra of the right.

[@leoncampbell8616]

Puberty is needed for a healthy development of both genders stopping it is dangerous to do. What i have a problem with is that the current back in the day it was about dealing with the mental state first and then transitioning later after they are mentally stable, now its a rush to transition due to psychologist may lose their lively for doing their jobs so they just have to agree and their is the medical side who makes banks long term for people with gender dysphoria so yep.

[@filthyneutral5801]

I didn't know she was trans based on her voice

[@narutofan4545]

I thot he was playing vampire survivor and got excited

[@callum6224]

Nope he only plays shitty games

[@Dartwaffle]

Meanwhile, Rossieboi up top just :o the whole conversation

[@somerando8615]

41:36 Destiny discovers the incel to trans pipeline

[@kietey14]

As a heterosexual man, Taftja is literally super hot? How does she not think she passes?

[@10kanutt]

She knows she passes, just not all the time. Those times where she was less deliberate with makeup, clothes, hairstyle, etc probably flares her dysphoria. Also, not sure if she had sex reassignment, but if not, that is always a reminder that in some intimate settings, she wont pass.

[@ibot2157]

You don't know what Tafja looks like in person

[@sigigle]

@@10kanutt She hasn't had sex reassignment. At least not in the videos... my friend... has seen. XD

[@brunofatima1600]

God I love trans women

[@thescarecrow897]

Ayo

[@benevolentbaphomet]

Do you consider yourself gay or bi? Just curious

[@Hooga89]

@@benevolentbaphomet I like transwomen too and consider myself bi. I'm not one for telling people what to think or feel, but I personally think that if you like both sets of human genitalia you are a bisexual.

[@sameash3153]

I dated a transman once but only because she was really a woman. She doesn't even identify as trans anymore. Most of them won't in 10 years.

[@testcase6997]

@@sameash3153 you guys say this every so often. It’s old by now. The proof for your beliefs is always 10 years away

[@SuperSpectrom]

5:24 "We get it from both sides." CoomerW

[@isaarunarom7830]

I wanna know why he was watching Rossman

[@derickzellar6632]

So adolescents and puberty blockers is more studied than you think because they are used for other disorders that adolescents can experience. Preconscious puberty, idiopathic short stature. And they are also used in adults for endometriosis, polycystic ovarian syndrome, breast and prostate cancer.

[@joeshmoe4207]

While they have been studied in those cases, you can’t just take a study of a specific treatment applying to a very specific medical condition with specific dosages and timelines and then just assume that everything works to cleanly use that data to work on other treatment plans at different dosages and schedules.

[@sweetnerevarr4169]

The best explanation of this I've heard was from Philosophy Tube in her video on social constructs. She gives an example something like this: a cashier who's unaccustomed to interacting with trans people might call the trans man in the grocery line "sir" but it's kinda obvious that they're doing it consciously to be polite despite perceiving that trans man as a woman. On the other hand, if that trans man clearly presents as a man (even if he doesn't "pass" under scrutiny) and the cashier is accustomed to interacting with trans people, they don't have to *try* to use the correct pronouns because their socially constructed category of "man" has expanded to include trans men. Anyone who has trans friends or interacts with trans people on a regular basis probably remembers when it "clicked" and they went from being polite to trans people (and having to try really hard to not misgender) to seeing and treating them as their gender without thinking about it. So the practical goal isn't a world where all trans people are always passing, or a world where we abolish gender and everyone wears pronoun nametags. It's more to create a society where we "meet in the middle": trans people match their gender expression with their experienced gender, and society expands its gender categories to include trans people.

[@theowlsarefun]

How can Destiny hold the opinion that self-ID is "trash" but also understand the concept of self-reported data when it comes to psychological issues?

[@rkdeshdeepak4131]

Because self-ID and self-reporting are different things.

[@ventichaicam]

Because there's a difference between describing your experience and proscribing a formal diagnosis. People are 100% in touch with what they feel, but their idea of how to address how they feel isn't 100% correct.

[@thomaswalmsley8959]

Because one is reporting how one "feels", and/or views the worlds, a subjective experience than isn't necessarily making an objective claim or pointing to and underlying phenomenon. A diagnosis is based on observation. It's studying phenomenon, even those reporting subjective experiences (usually that impact the set of people negatively), seeing how symptoms and experiences with those symptoms cluster together, carving out those symptoms from other symptoms and giving it a distinct lable, then a specific set of prescriptions based on that and what has been the most effective treatment for those symptoms for those clusters. That's the difference.

[@Ab.Stat.]

Gender is complicated and I don't understand it all ffs

[@simonwinn8757]

I would like a discussion on Transmaxxing

[@malikshabazz2065]

nice! great stuff :-)

[@MrAdamo]

Why did he call her a loser?

[@Big-Papa-Smurf]

Cos she's on the internet.

[@Kuroganemk2]

24:00 Damn, dat some nice mental gymnastics with zero ground to stand on.

[@mario167100]

This debate should be on why Taft ain’t my wife yet.

[@24.7SMOKESHOW]

I just found shes trans after all this time. Seems like her argument means that passing is a failure of the observer

[@coke2679]

There are some trans-women who kinda a pass, but they never super pass.

[@MrFurmos]

2:15 NGL I did some research before I knew.

[@Z50nemesis]

Not even cis women look cis 99% of the time thats why there's people accusing other women of being secretly trans all the time. Seems like she is going tru a self hating face

[@percilenis8464]

That observation is 100% inverse for trans women. Unless they do extensive surgery, you will be able to pick out 99 out of 100 trans women as being trans just by looking, while you’ll be able to pick out 99 out of 100 cis women just by looking.

[@testcase6997]

@@percilenis8464 lol. Love ‘facts’

[@sameash3153]

Yes, they do 99% of the time.

[@notsorry3631]

I think EVERYONE experiences "dysphoria" at some point in their life, and it's largely just having a difficult time with puberty and teens not knowing how to adjust to their new bodies. Some people have an easier time than others.

[@thomaswalmsley8959]

I wouldn't say that unless what you mean by disphoria is something like I could lose 15 pounds or I could workout more and get bigger. But at that point disphoria doesn't mean anything. Puberty seems to cause the majority of people distress but some of that is also hormonal not just psychological. But I think there's plenty of people that don't experience these things about thier bodies even in puberty. I can speak from my own experience at least that puberty never bothered or really even effected me as a kid and I've never really had an emotional attachment to my body, negative or positive.

[@davidshane9495]

For the longest time i didnt know Taftaj was trans.

[@sameash3153]

Are you just not paying attention? It's brought up every time she is on screen or is mentioned while she is off screen

[@davidshane9495]

@@sameash3153 I watched a few vods before it ever got brought up and i don't follow her.

[@bluebird5173]

Then she's proof that some trans people can pass, contrary to what some here are saying.

[@dansstreet]

I like taf! As a cis man I never understood why we had to say transwomen are women. It’s a nonsensical statement. I’m not saying transwomen can’t be attractive or that transwomen are not valid in their identity, I’m simply saying women are born with xx chromosomes and develop secondary sex characteristics consistent with people who are born with ovaries.

[@ExeErdna]

It's because of the ones that don't pass and women w/ savior complexes going along with ANYTHING that seems socially productive.

[@danielsurvivor1372]

4:45 Wait so Destiny is pro transmed? 0_0 Is he also anti Enbies?

[@murkinlopez6162]

Literally Jordan Peterson's arguement

[@user-cd4ms6cf8l]

Thats how you dismiss things huh? Just slap a label or say its an argument from someone you don't like? You got em good

[@murkinlopez6162]

@@user-cd4ms6cf8l i agree with Jordan Peterson lol.

[@murkinlopez6162]

@t i never wouldve thought she would agree. That was my point

[@sigigle]

@@user-cd4ms6cf8l I disagree with a few things Jordan Peterson said, so I've decided to write off everything he says, and even just take the opposite position of all of it by default. I'm pretty sure that's how critical thinking works.

[@Chevalier_knight]

This may be mean but no she doesnt pass and the voice never does.

[@JohannesArm]

What the fuck is passing? Passing gas? Passing away?

[@sigigle]

You'll figure it out... maybe...

[@beyoncehadoneofthebest]

taft got hers now she wants to keep others from it. sad.

[@KidoBedo]

Since when did we start taking dilusions serious?

[@dragunov815]

What a surprise.

[@thethinkingcatakaneonormie3527]

Really I find there's some trans people who are terminally online and don't pass and really of the 8 trans women I've had relationships with most when I show them the online stuff well my last Tgirlfriend she was feeling faint after the whole bathtub hormones stuff, really the problem isn't trans women at all it's a class issue where the most vocal are working class most of my trans relationship are middle class confident women my last Tgirlfriend was a dominatrix who was a fitness trainer I met her at the gym and we started dating, really only her height and arm length showed she wasn't born a woman. But when you look at DemonMama or NoCommentChick they lack feminity and talk like school bullies and it completely breaks the spell.

[@DrAugurk]

You’ve had relationships with 8 transwomen? Are you specifically looking for them?

[@csbrooks]

@@DrAugurk what does it matter to you what someone’s predelictions are? Are you looking for a chaser? Why?

[@chloegrobler4275]

full stops exist you know. you date alot but dont know how to communicate online?

[@audriacostello6648]

no matter what they act like men. Men have no real point of reference for genuine female behaviors, it's all an act. Some are very feminine in a male way buy many have this weird stereotypical woman caricature they act out, usually autogynephiles

[@chloegrobler4275]

@@audriacostello6648 agp isnt a real thing my dude.

[@jarad9946]

Body issues are not just trans issues, cis woman suffer from a lot of the same issues as Trans woman, the difference is now Trans woman are glorified for surgeries and Hormones while cis women are belittled for furthering and catering to unreasonable body standards. If we worked more on changing the idea of gendered standards(which effect everyone not just women) there would be real changes for Trans people.

[@sameash3153]

Honestly I'm just going to say it, gendered standards are fine. Ordinary people don't think about this shit at all. It's only neurotic introverted people that get affected by gendered toys and bathrooms and whatnot

[@jarad9946]

@@sameash3153 cis woman and men do very much think about gender norms, men Wana look manly and women Wana look feminine. It'd not inherently bad but a lot of good could come from lowering those bars a bit.

[@simonwinn8757]

Should look at boy's action figures over the years, they get more swole.

[@mra4955]

The movement has been infiltrated by bad actors, hence the total mess between ideas and confusion for anyone trying to navigate the space

[@nomoresunforever3695]

2023, the year the trans-hangover starts.

[@cameronshane2615]

whats that mean?

[@gungaginga9772]

@@cameronshane2615 they regret transitioning and all off themselves or some shit

[@nomoresunforever3695]

@Cameron Shane transitioning used to be an extremely serious medical procedure that was reserved for people where nothing else worked. Because it now became the symbol of a social movement, it was pushed to the front as a meaningful way to overcome your pain, become part of a community, and find "your true self." It boomed in "popularity " not because there had been a slow and steady build of people who had done it themselves 30 years ago and who had shared the pros and cons with young people, but because people who were still in the honeymoon phase themselves Stepping to to forefront and inspiring other people to do the same. In my own personal life, I know multiple that transitioned in the last 8 years that have either developed regret or for who problems they expected to be solved were not solved by medical transitioning. WE used people with mental difficulties as symbols for the next "Civil rights movement". We loved the drunken high of that righteous feeling. And it's going to be our fault when the hangover comes, for thousands of kids that have turned themselves into an intersex version of themselves that they dont want to be, with serious medical and psychological consequences. To be clear: none of this means that gender dysphoria is not real and that transitioning isn't extremely important for a small subset of people going through it now.

[@testcase6997]

@@nomoresunforever3695 You already revealed in a previous comment you’re a British terf who wants to restrict people from transitioning despite all evidence showing detransition is rare and you said how trans people are fake and pretending. Your “I’m just so concerned” act doesn’t work. You know what does tho? When someone connects their email to their public KZbin account

[@donttreadonme4394]

Appearance kinda voice definitely

[@testcase6997]

I agree Taftaj, people shouldn’t be allowed to transition.

[@reiggier9211]

Why

[@maeveevans2252]

her voice would never carry well at higher volumes. she's trying so hard to pass. hunny stop.

[@maeveevans2252]

as a trans woman, i'm struggling to take anything she says seriously with her voice and transition background.

[@maeveevans2252]

her takes are so chronically online, i'm wondering how many other transwomen she has interacted with irl that are also not chronically online.

[@maeveevans2252]

the fact that i appreciate what destiny has to say, on the trans experience and trans issues, more than her is upsetting.

[@EHISH]

Less than 1% of trans people are unlockable. Change my mind.

[@reiggier9211]

Define "unlockable"

[@chloegrobler4275]

hot take but teransgenderism is just fashion-as-identity run amock . that is fine is you have the money and the ability to fix anything but some of us are not in that place so we become really depressed over what should be a non issue.

[@testcase6997]

What do you mean

[@chloegrobler4275]

@@testcase6997 im saying that the trans identity is on a similar level as what clothes you choose to wear or feel intuitively preferable to. its a simplification but that s the basic idea. also neo liberalism, splash that in too. it took me a long time and alot of self hate but ive mostly gotten past the trans feelings i have. its when you have the money to throw at the issue then you get wrapped up in it instead of moving on like ur supposed to.

[@testcase6997]

@@chloegrobler4275 I mean, it’s not true. But whatever you have to tell yourself. People lie to themselves to make them feel better and people can accept bad situations because they don’t want to try and improve their lives. Whatever you got going on is meaningless to anyone else

[@chloegrobler4275]

@@testcase6997 you are almost there. half way got it.

[@testcase6997]

@@chloegrobler4275 Is this so you don’t have to reply to what I said?

[@vhffgfdrfvftcfdsthhrfrftfz2003]

I think its harmful that destiny is still pubucly calling men with mutilaited genitilia "woman"

[@chuck5667]

You do realize that only 5-13% of trans women get bottom surgery. Also the person he’s talking to has a dick, you can see pictures if you look up her name. So he’s not really just calling trans women with mutilated genitals “women,” he’s calling trans women with very intact genitals “women” too.

[@ash1eyrose]

You harmed? 😥

[@vhffgfdrfvftcfdsthhrfrftfz2003]

@@chuck5667 I wasnt talking about that individual in spesific.

[@cameronshane2615]

men with axe wounds as genitals

[@Orangejulius4414]

Taftaj doesn't have mutilated genitalia

[@Yor_gamma_ix_bae]

Taftaj has rightly pointed out that transition doesn’t actually magically make it all better. Even if you passed .destiny is cringe and the trans community is lying to you. And destiny doesn’t know any trans people in real life. Or he just lives in the south because here in seattle it’s pretty much the same as online. I know and work with lots of trans/non binary people. And if they are below the age of 23 they believe all the same stuff as the online groups. Maybe it’s different for older trans people who call themselves transexuals . Self ID is popular. Maybe it’s different in the Midwest or the south. But most workplaces here are extremely woke.

[@bravingbrivatebrian]

I like Destiny but he's def a dunning Krueger effect type of fella

[@donaldmack2307]

Hey... *he No offense. But offense, also.

[@elmichellangelo]

God damn it, they almost got me

[@benevolentbaphomet]

Trans women are not women and it's fine

[@reiggier9211]

Why

[@crisjr6478]

It's so obvious the underlying cry for help. She absolutely 100% regrets transitioning. She will end up saving many children.

[@benevolentbaphomet]

@Issac uncooked and @Shapeshifter great channels for the cause

[@testcase6997]

Why are you calling him a she?

[@User71956]

@@testcase6997 because “he” looks like a chick and the average person wouldn’t know the difference. People who go out of their way to misgender a trans person, have an agenda when most normies don’t give a shit. You’re just the opposite side of the coin of obnoxious trans people who go way overboard to find something to get offended by.

[@reiggier9211]

@@testcase6997 taftaj is a woman

[@testcase6997]

@@reiggier9211 Not according to his own words buddy.

[@testcase6997]

He should just detransition then. Stop taking hormones. Grow a beard. If he’s going to claim he shouldn’t have transitioned then embrace being a man dude. Wonder why she won’t do that.... hmmm.....

[@sameash3153]

I hope he does. Needs to quit that r slur'd porn career first though.

[@blurtling]

she's right; trans women DO look like men, and don't pass, no $200.

[@islayreptilianhybrids8947]

He is right about one thing he will never be a woman lol

[@reiggier9211]

Destiny is a woman's name though

[@reiggier9211]

Why

[@Andrew-wz6ss]

That thing ain’t no woman

[@reiggier9211]

Why

[@gungaginga9772]

would

[@sigigle]

Question: "Why" Response: *crickets*

[@Andrew-wz6ss]

@@sigigle same reason your mom ain’t a women it’s all dried up

[@sigigle]

@@Andrew-wz6ss yeeea I didn’t expect much, so expectations have been met.