“Israel Looks Like The BAD Guy!” Yishai vs DESTINY: Israel, ”Palestine", Western Media, the Solution

Destiny (Steven Bonnell) spent two weeks in Israel talking with people and observing the situation on the ground. He travelled a full day with Yishai Fleisher through ancient Biblical Hebron and its surroundings - meeting Jews and Arabs from all backgrounds - ending with this fascinating detailed discussion.
Timestamps:
0:00-0:30 Trailer
0:30-2:30 Destiny’s Faith and Israel
2:30-5:00 Why Destiny Came To Israel and /Why Are People Obsessed with Israel
5:00-11:00 Israel in The Media
11:00-14:00 What Israel Should Have Done
14:00-18:00 Why People Can’t Talk to Each Other
18:00-23:00 Destiny vs Yishai’s Solution
23:00-25:00 Palestinians in Israel
25:00-29:00 Israel/America “Relationship”
29:00-32:00 Destiny on Arabs and Israelis
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Yishai Fleisher is the International Spokesperson for the Jewish community of Hebron. He is also Contributing Editor at JewishPress.com and a broadcaster on the LandofIsrael.com. Yishai is a frequent columnist for major English language news and analysis websites in Israel including Breitbart Jerusalem, Jerusalem Post, Israel HaYom, and more. Yishai holds a JD from Cardozo Law and rabbinic ordination from Kollel Agudat Achim. Yishai served as a Paratrooper in the IDF and continues to participate in an elite battlefield reserve unit.

[@laurameszaros9547]

I like that Destiny is so honest. He doesn't try to ingratiate himself, just says it like he sees it.

[@IDontLikePplPlayinOnMyPhone]

Once upon a time I think that was the default. Thank god we have Destiny and a few others but just saying what's what needs to make a big return

[@asorianomarquez]

And the the other person isn't?

[@laurameszaros9547]

@@asorianomarquez I wasn't implying that at all! Where did you get the idea that I was suggesting Fleisher isn't?

[@izzykhach]

Yes, he's a natural contrarian. He's basically pro Israel but doesn't necessarily agree with everything they do.

[@YishaiFleisherTV]

Yes, I agree - Destiny (Steven) says it like he sees it and does not avoid nuanced conversations. It is great that he came to Hebron and we worked hard all day speaking with many people. This video is just a brief view into his time in Israel. It is not intended to be a debate or a gotcha - it is a serious exchange of ideas. He will post more on his channel.

[@psychinsights]

It's nice to see that 2 people can argue & disagree and yet still respect each other. Well done Yishai & Destiny.

[@joesilver4376]

Yeah. One has in depth knowledge and lives the real narrative every day (Yishai), while the other parachutes in for 2 weeks and says that as an American he doesn't really care how things turn out as long as both sides accept whatever outcome results (Destiny). He is still shallow-minded on this subject, working on the level of Grievances and not on a deeper level of legal rights (that in this case has been established for 100 years in favor the Jewish People), which the Arabs refuse to honor and respect and instead chose and prefer violence and Genocide and the false "Glory" it gives them. Get real. This is not about "Oppressor and oppressed". This is about Criminal-Perpetrators (Muslims) and Victims (Jews). Stop killing Jews and stop taking Jews hostage.

[@stephonkruspky2945]

@@joesilver4376all those words just to say you ain’t so smart haha good one lil bro

[@howdareyou41]

I'd love if they could find 1 Pro Pal interlocutor who has a PHD in history of that region who's able to debate using anything but what they learned on twitter or TikTok. The only person I've seen able to Steel Man the Pro Pal side without sounding like a tweet bot is Destiny lol

[@LevtNow]

@@joesilver4376 Nah bro he is just honest and that is the truth. People virtue signal on all sides from the comfort of their mansions in the USA. The truth is this does not affect them that much in a micro scale. Ofc wars that happening slowly make their mark on the world economy but the truth is simple.

[@JaKeIsCoolGuy]

THIS is the worst, least helpful virtue signal of them all! Congrats! You’ve contributed the single most vapid sentence possible. “I have no opinions on who is right or wrong, or any of the topics being discussed, but WOW im SO GLAD we get to have these conversations” - Jordan Petersons comment section echoing your worthless sentiment in unison as I type this

[@justincancelosa5773]

This is why destiny is so big lately is he is actually able to take a position independent of the factions and their narratives.

[@isiahguerrero1044]

This is how everyone should operate. Adults at least

[@abdullahx8118]

Im glad destiny is having conversations with people who arent absolutely insane but respectfully disagree, i would have wished for more conversation about settler violence from both sides

[@niciwalsh5180]

I really like Yishai, straight up, doesn't mince his words and very intelligent man, loves his Country and will defend it to the end.

[@randomhuman2595]

Would it be okay by his logic for the native americans to take over Seatle

[@BobcatSmokey]

@@randomhuman2595 If the native Americans had a legal declaration (Balfour) by a global superpower (UK) legally promising them the land after the US (Ottoman Empire) is dissolved following their defeat at the hand of that superpower (UK) and the remnant of the US (Turkey) agrees to grant the rights to the land to the global superpower(UK).. then you would have a valid comparison.

[@skontheroad]

Excellent! I appreciate that you did not bring religion into the viewpoint of the reply! ​@@BobcatSmokey

[@motina10]

I am glad you two did meet up. Such a great interaction.

[@joesilver4376]

Yishai is very, very patient and kind; even to people that merely parachute in as tourists and have no skin in the game.

[@malcolmmirage4204]

I like this guy. He’s got a Yisro style outsiders perspective which is much needed to improve the way Jews are approaching the conflict and world.

[@SoothingSemantics]

Fantastic video Yishai. Just shared it on my community tab.

[@charlesklempner8273]

As a Jew that works in construction I have zero connection to Leftist Jews. Zero. We lost my sister to the art scene in New York Years ago.

[@feelmypuddle4963]

Hope that relationship can be mended someday, good luck friend 🧡

[@Harlem1mentality]

Great family bonds

[@Love-eg2vf]

@@Harlem1mentalityleftism tends to run counter to strong family ties. There’s actually a huge number of parents speaking out about this now, basically saying that their adult kids got radicalized by the internet and have gone totally no contact and using excuses such as “you’re toxic” or what not.

[@charlesklempner8273]

@@Harlem1mentality I know right? Leftists are a new religion.

[@ziadadwan]

I misjudged Destiny! He really knows what he is talking about when it comes to understanding people from both sides.

[@muhammadzulkarnaen4229]

Always love to watch people's brains short-circuit and turn into mush in the comment when they watch people who have nuanced views like destiny and lonerbox speak. When destiny gives his take and understanding that is slightly different than their side everyone calls him a 'shill, psychopath, etc' and that itself is a peak entertainment for me.

[@lampad4549]

You havent heard the criticism destiny has of israel. Your brain would short circuit as well.

[@chomskysfavefive]

100% and Yishai seems more reasonable than pretty much every pro- Palestine advocate that he's spoken with.

[@TheEccentricPoet]

​@@lampad4549He likely is a fan of Steven's, like me. So yes, we've all heard it. What specifically did you disagree with?

[@le832]

It’s cool that this discussion and Yishai meeting Destiny came from Destiny reacting to Yishai on Piers Morgan and Yishai reacted to Destiny reacting to him. Very cool communication and being open to discuss a controversial topic. Interesting, good job.

[@jeremyspencer1505]

I am Australian. I agree with Yishae, that Israel should have fought to win quickly.

[@joesilver4376]

Very difficult with numerous tunnels embedded in most civilian structures and even hospitals. Plus HAMAS had over 40,000 fighters spread out over a 25 mile zone, with an underground safe zone in Egypt and their political leaders safe in Qatar. It takes time..

[@jamin72312]

It would also have endangered the soldiers on the ground moving in to the known unknown

[@pilovwithketchup]

@@joesilver4376 israel has all this knowledge and knows exactly where hamas is stationed, they know their numbers yet they didnt see october 7th coming? how is that possible? why was the music festival placed near the border, where the border guards were all unarmed girls?

[@kasimrazaq]

What kill millions of innocent people?? Or treat them like Australian’s have the aboriginal people

[@batyaintzfat]

This converation is much appreciated! Thanks to Destiny and Yishai

[@catherinejudd7993]

Hamas most *definitely* struck on Oct 7 because the normalization treaty between the Saudi’s & Israel were just a few days away from being signed. This war is about trade routes and Iranian v Saudi regional domination.

[@nymmaful]

I didn't realize Yishai was the person who Destiny had the back and forth with through their individual videos. Great discussion, glad they were able to sit down together.

[@lampad4549]

Its incredible how people think this guy is reasonable when he said he could get the war over in 2 weeks.

[@n4049]

Israel has offered to return the gaza strip to the Egyptions in the past (it was under Egyptions control until the 6 day war 1967). The Egyptions refused. They know exactly why. They are perfectly willing to let Israel deal with the problem of jihadism and extremism of the population of gaza. I'm not sure that it is in the best interest of Israel to move these people into Sinai, which also shares a border with Israel.

[@RoseTarotChannel]

Wow !!!! Amazing Interview !!!! 🙌🏻

[@nancykisich3263]

What is a terrorist? Was Patricia Hearst a terrorist when she was indoctrinated by the SLA? I understand she was de-indoctrinated later but the point is when “ordinary citizens” are committing atrocities, it doesn’t really matter why they are doing what they are doing when the results are the same. Right now in this moment, Israel has one responsibility to her people and that is to eliminate Hamas. Maybe later when Hamas is gone & the tentacles of Iran are severed, a de-indoctrination process can start.

[@deavman]

Won't work. Hummous is just one manifestation of E€$I@mee¢ ideology. They need to either convert in mass or move to Egypt..

[@TheJazzero]

I have been waiting for this dialogue for a while, ever since I saw photos of Steven and Yishai... thank you for the nice discussion.

[@JustDoIt-xq9pi]

Great conversation. What I also noticed were the great camera angles with the beautiful background and color grading.

[@always831]

Yes will be watching this tomorrow . Glory to Israel 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱 from 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺

[@WookieWarriorz]

im with ya mate 🇮🇪

[@yonaoisme]

from ireland to israel, england will be free 🤔

[@supportisraelandukraine]

Yes! I love Israel, the freedom loving people of Israel, from Cologne Germany.

[@lighting7508]

@@WookieWarriorzwtf so rare… a pro Israel Irish person? 😂 I hope Israel and Palestinians find peace from 🇬🇧

[@shmuelg3873]

Excellent interview Yishai!

[@rebeccabarsef]

Thank goodness ❤ starting to hear more of the majority of the Israeli people voices, not just the easy to digest wokesters

[@Yosaif-israel]

@@rebeccabarsef Says the person who can’t handle any criticism and does not have the ability to listen and be open minded to other peoples opinions

[@GreenCanvasInteriorscape]

Say what? 👀🤔👀 She's open to ideas and fully mindful, chill out my dude

[@Yosaif-israel]

@@GreenCanvasInteriorscape she’s mostly ignorant, childish and can’t handle any opinion that does not align exactly with hers or her preconceived notion and this is from trying to engage with her it’s just a fact

[@GreenCanvasInteriorscape]

@@Yosaif-israel 🚫🤡

[@Yosaif-israel]

@@GreenCanvasInteriorscape She’s a child and just pushing another standard narrative and has mental blockage when it has to deal with reality like someone like me who actually has the wide perspective and my family has always lived in Israel and she is just typical and very small minded therefore cannot handle big ideas and the full spectrum of the reality she’s so funny, she even went as far as having AP block me

[@arayter]

Beautiful parting words by Destiny, well said. Thanks Yishai. It’s amazing how in this modern world, exchanging a few criticisms on KZbin can lead to a meeting like this a few months later.

[@NaProbablyNot]

I like that this is a candid conversation! 🇧🇷🇮🇱

[@TheYassha]

Awesome interview!

[@jeremyspencer1505]

What a refreshing debate. Difference of opinions argued well with respect for each others view. Great job both of you.

[@Yor_gamma_ix_bae]

I admire that Israelis , in the midst of fear and suspicion are still open to dialogue.

[@jacobszekely4069]

WOW!!!! Wasn't expecting this!!!!! Great get for Yishai! There goes my afternoon:)

[@FennecFoxxx]

Great conversation, Yishai. Thanks for inviting Destiny.

[@iamjopaul]

Amazing interview, Totally worth the wait and i love Destiny position of honesty when it comes to his feelings on the region

[@Colonel-Cornelius-CornJulio]

Honestly these days this was we really need the most, is calm conversations, especially between the different side of the fences. Massive respects to both Yishai and Stephen. Based based based :)

[@PersonOfNote]

These two are not on opposite sides of the fences. Destiny is on the Israeli side of the fence and he occasionally sticks his fingers in the Palestinian side but for the most part, these two are not against each other in a big fundamental manner.

[@Colonel-Cornelius-CornJulio]

@@PersonOfNote I know mate. I didn't mean Destiny is on the Pro Palestine camp, he is Pro Israel, but they see differently regarding how Israel should move forward. And they don't "duke it out".

[@ilanabrenner-physiotherapy]

Great interview!! ❤❤❤

[@bentoomet8805]

What a great conversation!

[@RachelJ-ki6nt]

He does realize that “Palestinians” are among the best educated and having some of the highest standards of living among Arabs because of Israel, right? Everything about their involvement with Israel is what has given them a good life - everyone obsessively gives them money and focus to go against “evil Israel”. They live off of so much from Israel. Israel helps their governments keep order and gives them free help and breaks on a lot of things. Israel has lifted them up. Without israel it would be poverty stricken.

[@jonv1776]

He does know this and has said it multiple times.. you do know that most people consider him an Israeli shill right? lol

[@tylerloving7132]

Because of Israel

[@house684]

That's what white South Africans used to say about black folk in Soith Africa. This smells like justifying Apartheid.

[@MADDcartman]

And America helps Isreal. Does that somehow diminish Israel’s accomplishments?

[@narendra62]

​@@whousa642and your evidence is?

[@ManateeMobile]

@11:30 While that could have worked, unfortunately it took just 2 days of water and electricity being provided by Israel to be shut off for the screams of famine, collective punishment, genocide and whatever else to start circulating the world. By then the international pressure was already huge and any further movement by Israel like that would have had massive long term consequences of how Israel is interacted with on the global stage, the US included. Furthermore, actions like that would have made the hostages seem like a secondary goal for the war, and back then there were still hopes for legitimate exchanges to return them home. The pressure to reduce Israel's actions combined with the unknown state of the hostages made the "hard and fast" take on the war impossible, regardless of whether the international community actually knew how to deal with Hamas or not. Now we're stuck at this terrible position where we have to go door to door and sacrifice soldiers for the sake of keeping the international community happy.

[@bitiaaflalo9829]

my thoughts exactly.

[@rogaldorn-vn1pc]

You live by the sword you die by the sword. The reason why international dissent is such a big issue for Israel is because of it's own making. Israel itself, in it's efforts to portray its status of being the only democratic nation in the middle east, has long ingratiated itself in the international spotlight. For you to complain when it isn't in your favour is ironic.

[@romainleclercq9738]

So you unironically think it's alright to cut water and electricity for 2 million people even for 1 day? Bro do you sometimes listen to yourself? Literal nazi thinking.

[@Adam_Stoke]

This comments section is completely bizarre. It was an interesting conversation, so why do the comments feel so artificial?

[@stormz761]

@@whousa642possible paid bots, Israel has just been found to spend millions to change the current narrative on Americans views on the war & Israel

[@tulaloo6526]

Thank you for the great conversation.

[@shahryarkabir]

17:28 you just described the analog version of what the internet does… life in Israel and Palestine. People living in a bubble that keep telling themselves “those people” over there are evil. I would only add that Israeli action over decades has given a lot of justification for Palestinian sentiments and that Palestinian radicalization requires someone to radicalize them. As much as Israelis like to paint the picture of Palestinians being naturally violent, Destiny makes the tremendous point of how educated Palestinians actually are (or rather were before all of their schools and universities were blown up). His takeaway from his trip so far is largely the humanity of the Palestinian people, a humanity I wish more of Israeli society could share at this depressing time. If anything for the sake of Israelis themselves.

[@skontheroad]

Out of curiosity, how much of the video documentation of the day did you watch? The GoPro videos? The website that the families of the hostages allowed to be released a couple weeks ago (to counter the SA argument)? Similarly to what Yishai says "Language is important", I also think experiencing the visual as well, as much as is allowed- and to watch ALL of it (as they couldn't turn it off when they wanted it to stop!). And have you seen any of the schooling and textbooks that the kids use, that make them so literate? Thanks!

[@shahryarkabir]

@@skontheroad I’ve unfortunately seen much of the video documentation on both sides. The indiscriminate killing by members of Hamas and other Palestinian groups was very difficult to witness. Because I have a heart and it feels this thing called feelings. Emotions. It cannot but help care about the helpless lsraeli lives that were lost and the terror they must have felt in those moments. But my heart doesn’t simply cease to feel the same way when I see the ruthless destruction and disintegration of Palestinian people by the state terror being brought down on them for the last 8 months and the many years before that. I know of the bias and hatred that some Palestinians teach their children, I am not surprised. You would do the same if you had a group of people putting the heel of their boot literally and figuratively on your neck for decades. Not to mention, Israelis teach their children the most horrible things about “those Arabs” over there. It is evident in what comes out of their children’s mouths, theirs politicians statements, their soldier’s tik tok videos and on and on. It is widespread and it is despicable. We must be able to see it all call it out on both sides. Being tribal and excusing your own parties shortcomings only reflects your inability to employ critical thinking. So please, tell me what you know about Israeli education. Tell me what the world should interpret of what they are just learning now but people who have been aware have known for years… the extremely racist attitude that has led to the dehumanization of the Palestinian people for decades. Don’t distract and bring up something else. Answer my question first.

[@Able-Man]

Although I have always been "rooting for Israel" in "all of THIS"; I can "see" the "Dude's point" regarding how "he doesn't really care HOW they all decide to work it out" (over on the other side of the Planet)... Neither do I, personally "have a dog in this fight" ... I believe that our Creator has been paying attention to all of what goes on and that we shall see, what we shall see.

[@joesilver4376]

Destiny's answer is an irresponsible childish deflection and a scam. He is operating on the shallow level of sorting out grievances and not on the deeper, honest level, of analyzing the competing legal rights of the disputants and supporting, like a grown up, the side that has the greater legal merit; in this case the Jewish People. This was all legally sorted out 100 years ago, but the Arabs refuse to respect the legal rulings. Study the San Remo conference 4-25-1920, the Anglo-American Treaty 1925, the League of nations Mandate for Palestine-Israel, the UN Trusteeship for Palestine-Israel, the recognition of the State of Israel by both the US and the USSR, the re-possession of Arab-occupied sovereign and intended-sovereign Jewish territories by Israel in the June 1967, etc.

[@Contractor48]

For the topic 3, Israel in Media, I would like to add that nothing brings Muslims all over the world together than Israel defending itself. Why is Malaysia and Maldives canceling Jewish visa? Yishai should have not given grounds on it.

[@morenitomoreno1282]

Why did every western country cut diplomatic ties with Russia?

[@kppk2084]

​@@morenitomoreno1282 Perfect response to showcase their blatant hypocrisy.

[@BobcatSmokey]

@@kppk2084 What's hypocritical is that you support Hamas but not Russia. Ukraine used to be part of Russia you know ? Then Ukraine declared its independence which is one of the major factors that led to the downfall of the USSR. Russia is just trying to get its land back you guys.

[@kppk2084]

@@BobcatSmokey Who supports Hamas here??? Don't put words in my mouth. And the response was perfect and highlighted the hypocrisy of the west. The comment claimed the entire Muslim world acting in unison against the Israeli government is somehow proof of their rampant antisemitism yet when the entire western world does it against the Russian government it's because it's for the greater good as opposed to some inherent bigotry.

[@juancsmix]

@@BobcatSmokey are you serious or is it sarcasm?

[@carefir]

Such a refreshing conversation of two persons sorting out their differences ❤

[@AdamMada-rs6fn]

Destiny when we put on the glasses of truth. Its not that what we see makes us feel good. Its what we see is what it is. Maybe thats how your brain works. Not mine.♥️🇮🇱♥️✡️♥️✝️♥️✌️

[@TheIsraelProphetess]

I love Israel. I agree completely with Yishai. By the way I am not Christian, I practice Hinduism. Israel , Judea and Samaria belongs to the Jews and always will.

[@bitiaaflalo9829]

I don't completly agree with him . He seems to forget about the hostages when he says what he would have done..

[@morenitomoreno1282]

In other words, you dont want peace

[@deborahfreedman333]

@@morenitomoreno1282 Where do you get that? The Brits already took away 78% of the Jewish land, to form Jordan. Why should Israel give up one more square centimeter, for a peace that the Arab invaders will never give her?

[@MrBendoverr]

why are people responding to this like its not an israeli bot, Yeah you practise Hinduism and your youtube names is TheIsraelProphetess. Firstly Spelling Prophets wrong in your name, and not even spelling Sumaria correctly, clearly either a) israeli bot or b) a certified moron

[@morenitomoreno1282]

@@deborahfreedman333 I'm just stating the most obvious fact ever. You think israel can remove millions of arabs from the West Bank peacefully? I hate people who dont have the courage of their convictions. You think israel should use military force to completely takeover the West Bank. Own it. Now if they actually did that, they would definitely get the Apartheid South Africa treatment and be ostracized by the entire world.

[@always831]

Great interview

[@scarecrowbar3375]

I appreciate Stevens logical approach, he just needed to learn Islamic doctrine to fully understand what's happening.

[@motina10]

And the thing is, he has spent time with Benny Morris, and were debate partner on Lex, and one of the point Morris makes is a Jihadism has played a role in the conflict.

[@deborahfreedman333]

@@motina10 Knowledge is not absorbed by osmosis.

[@DevonRyeTheDragonfly]

He knows about Islam

[@motina10]

@@deborahfreedman333 .... okay dude ....

[@Druffmaul]

Extremely disappointed to hear him downplay the role of Islam in the conflict, and for such silly reasons. Annoying blind spot.

[@mozy7773]

Fantastic discussion! Thanks to both of you!

[@Hchris101]

Unique conversation

[@solomore]

Lovely!

[@mroctober3583]

Destiny is the best voice on KZbin for giving BOTH SIDES a fair shake... Destiny would make a great moderator in a debate with you vs FinkleNUT lol

[@WookieWarriorz]

Finklestein is a nobody. He was kicked out of academia in the late 2000s for his nonsense. Hes most famous for writting a book called the holocaust industry which really sparked the 'jews run the world' anti semetic nonsense in the west. Hes only regarded by tankies, marxists and other moron extremists.

[@Thewallace7347]

Finklestien would never agree to this, cause while destiny can be impartial, destiny hates that man so much and it's to much of a risk for him to end up in a 2v1

[@FlexGC]

Brother how can Finkelstein moderate anything with how slow he talks. He's going to take 3 seconds to say mr.tortillini please stop.@@Thewallace7347

[@mroctober3583]

@@Thewallace7347 I just wanna see Destiny flip out when he see's the Finkle Smurk 😏

[@dannycash1948]

great convo

[@gabrielwood9345]

I for one ,no Israel is not to blame. I stand with Israel 🇮🇱 from Australia 🇦🇺 ❤❤❤❤❤

[@janiceridsdale2904]

In that I agree with him - if only the ARAB Gazans- etc. Would QUIT wuth the BS & GET ALONG with ISRAEL the EAST WOULD BE AMAZING ! - PEOPLE FOCUSED ON POTENTIAL vs MURDER !

[@boliusabol822]

Yishai's arguments are so strong.. i've been a right wing Zionist for a long time and rarely find even better arguments than I had.. but Yishai has it! Yishai's point about Israel forcing a peaceful solution rather than Destiny's trying to see what both sides say they want. Destiny switched subject to israeli arabs aroudn 23:00 to evade Yisha's strong argument, but that actually makes Yishai's point even more because Israel forced the good situation that the israeli arabs have today.

[@yonaoisme]

you just admitted that you had a strong opinion on something and only afterwards you justified it with arguments you didn't even know existed.

[@ssssantos304]

you also seem to be incapable of understanding how "switching subjects" can also be a form of answering a question

[@mysterious48]

His arguments are horrible

[@joesilver4376]

@@yonaoisme So what? As long as it is the right and correct argument.

[@joesilver4376]

@@ssssantos304 A weak answer.

[@nancykisich3263]

Interesting interview

[@sandytatham3592]

What a great discussion, and the first time that I've warmed to Destiny. Thank you Yishai for bringing out his more agreeable side! Keep moving the line. Your proposal to solve this situation is the most *pragmatic* one. It's the only one that would see the 'Palestinian' children benefitting hugely in the coming decades...🇮🇱🙏💙

[@joesilver4376]

Agreed. Why of all the war refugees, the world over, are Gazan refugees blocked, by Egypt and the US, from fleeing the war zone of Gaza? Syrian refugees go to Turkey; Ukrainian refugees go to Poland. By the millions. Instead of spending hundreds of millions to install a flimsy pier, the money could have been used to establish a refugee camp in Sinai under international and UN auspices, and the Gaza refugees would be then be safe.

[@sandytatham3592]

​@@joesilver4376: Exactly. This is what I've been saying too! Egypt could easily have permitted the international community to set up a 'secured' humanitarian camp just inside Sinai for babies, children, mothers of small children, pregnant women, the very sick and elderly to be cared for there. Hardly anyone talks about this, so thank you. The main complaint by Egyptians to me is that Israel won't let them return to Gaza, and maybe there is some risk. But keeping vulnerable people TRAPPED in a war zone is despicable, and against international law. The Egyptians seem to support the war strategy of Hamas which is to use the human death toll as negative publicity for Israel. A large number of Gazans are from Egyptian families who moved to Gaza during the 1948-1967 Egyptian occupation, so it's doubly awful that they want to use them as cannon-fodder in this way...🙄

[@tzvis2]

very nice, informative interview and conversation

[@Trickey2413]

Great convo, I enjoyed it a lot!

[@d0lvl0]

Great interview, loved hearing the differing thoughts and opinions

[@djgoon13]

It isn’t perception, we are, have been, and will forever be outnumbered.

[@KRISTIANSMILJANIC]

How many Arab countries do you have to have normalized relationships with until you’re no longer outnumbered? Of course if we’re speaking about racial or ethnic groups then yes you will always be outnumbered but that is obviously a low level analysis from a foreign affairs perspective

[@djgoon13]

@@KRISTIANSMILJANIC “The Sunni’s relationship towards Israel is a balance between two countervailing factors; - a deep aversion towards Israel and - a deep fear of Iran. When the aversion towards Israel is greater than the fear towards Iran, they will be hostile towards Israel, and when the fear of Iran is greater than the aversion towards Israel, then they will be more open towards Israel.” -Dr Martin Sherman What’s more is that the Arab street and the Arab overlords are almost mutually exclusive

[@user-qi5mh3pq1p]

EYE OPENING VIDEO, IM LEARNING SO MUCH MORE, ABOUT ISRAELI PEOPLE AND OTHER PEOPLE, S MINDSET, S ABOUT THE CONFLICT. AM YISRAEL CHAI! ENGLAND 🇬🇧

[@LS-wg1vp]

He is not influential for me

[@user-ry1xo1wm6m]

Good, don’t ever let WOKE KIDS LIKE HIM BRAINWASH YOU! ❤

[@Dudemeister]

One state solution called Israel-Palestine. You can’t just make them all join Israel if you don’t recognize the sins of the Nakba

[@Happy-I-Am-]

Wait what .. the guys says he wants Israeli independence ?? Give all the money back to the U.S. and go be independent who cares wow .. they are already independent af but leach off of the U.S. money 💁🏻‍♂️ where am I right 💁🏻‍♂️

[@joseroshe1059]

"It is known among the villagers around Hebron that the people of Yata were originally Jewish. Moreover, the meaning of the clan’s name-Mukhammara-comes from the Arabic root KH-M-R, which means “wine.” Thus, the clan name means either “winemakers” or people having some connection to wine. As is well known, having anything to do with wine is a major sin to Muslims. In that context, today’s Mukhammara clan members, as good Muslims, almost assuredly would have nothing to do with wine. But their Jewish ancestors clearly did-hence the name of their clan. Even more interestingly, it is common knowledge among the locals in the Hebron area that after the 1967 Six-Day War when Israel took control over Judea and Samaria, heads the above-mentioned clan and other clans in the area, even some living in the city of Hebron itself, went to then-Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Dayan-who was in charge of the newly acquired territories-and asked him to help them return to Judaism. Dayan rebuffed them." -JNS

[@alex8491]

He was one of those arrogants who started downfall of Israel, culminated into oslo and then top of the shame 10-7-23

[@KathyPrendergast-cu5ci]

An alternative theory: the Arabic language is far older than Islam, so it shouldn't be surprising they have a word in their language for wine, and family names associated with the winemaking trade.

[@ahavahyisrael]

Yishai's perception of history and future vision is accurate. I look forward to his potential as a member of knesset and party leader.

[@jshringo77]

awesome interview

[@marciateperman8811]

Great conversation. I like Destiny, and it was a pleasure to listen to you both.

[@KevinKanthur]

I don't really care much about this conflict, it doesn't affect me either, but I like learning about it. In the beginning of the video Yishai seems like skeptical of the view that Israel is the big bad guy and Palestine the victim, and he asks Destiny about optics, how could Israel make it so they look better? But later on, he says he would have ended the conflict in 2 weeks, just turn off the water, the supply, the food, etc. That tells me that Israel has the control and the 'gun' here, which is in accordance with public perception. I know things might be deeper and there's more things to analyze, but this is really telling on what's going on.

[@PersonOfNote]

When you listen to these people speak long enough, they give away their intentions.

[@w.i.t.c.h.aholic9315]

As we shouldn't have to explain, no other country is expected to provide basic necessities to the people it's at war with, you cannot attack the country that provides your basic necessities and be upset that they don't want to aid you anymore, Israel shouldn't have to provide Gaza with anything since that's the job of their elected government which is Hamas, and Hamas decided to spend time, money, and energy on rockets and tunnels instead of providing basic necessities.

[@yaffaorlofsky9680]

Wow, im impressed . I wasn't sure what to expect . I follow you both .... Couldn't really imagine you together . Kol hakavod!

[@Namko78]

Destiny felt awkward using the word ‘Arab’ a month ago. Nice to see his growth in real time.

[@MrToastyTank]

Good conversation

[@Happy-I-Am-]

Did Steven make it back ok after this interview ?

[@DanielS-zq2rr]

When Yishai says Israel isn't really the big bad wolf in the Middle East, and is actually an endangered ethnic minority being surrounded by enemies from every direction - I don't really understand why Destiny replies by saying something like "I think the Arab-Muslim unity is a myth". Destiny is pretty much evading Yishai's point there

[@unisophia]

because Destiny isn’t that “honest and brave opinionated thinker” as he presents himself. he’s in fact pretty fragile and has no moral ground to stand on, and is quite shallow in terms of knowledge which is based on chaotic set of clearly politicized leftist sources mixed with randomly picked conspiracies he pulls out for wow-effect when he feels that his mask is about to be pulled off.

[@alyshatetens6672]

@@unisophia OMG!!!!! My sentiments exactly!!!!! 😂😂😂 I just didn't want to type anything negative on Yishai's channel. The only reason Destiny has such a large number of subscribers is that he started out as a gamer during the early days of the Internet. He had plenty of time to grow his channel. Now we need to help Yishai grow his channel!!!! I hope he'll reach half a million by the end of the year!!! Thanks for your message. I laughed so hard!!

[@huntergraham2380]

Destinys blind spot imo is he minimizes the religious aspect. Ya Saudi is fighting Houthi’s cuz one is Shia and other Sunni. Hence religious conflicts

[@lesweizman388]

what destiny says is true arab-muslim unity is a myth if israel didnt exist, they would be killing each other

[@user-ff1he5uu6s]

Both of these men are right. If Israel wanted to, they could make this so much worse for Gaza and they are surrounded by enemies, but the Umma is a myth and deep down no Arab nation cares about the Pals. Jordan killed 25000 in 11 days in 1970 did anyone care

[@ilayohana3150]

i love what destinys saying about how the land looks, shows he needs to spend more time in the shephela or galilee. Remember the only reason the land itself in judea and samaria isnt developed is because the whole worlds trying to prevent that.

[@nikkidavey8241]

Just loved this conversation. Very much needed ❤ Sending love from South Africa 🇿🇦✨

[@guydroogcom]

Destiny has been making the Islamic unity is a myth argument recently in multiple videos but misses the point that unity doesn’t exclusively mean ‘active and physical participation’. Sports fans aren’t involved physically on the field by playing the game but without support people tend to lose their morale and motivation significantly quicker. Seeing hundreds of thousands of people world wide defend what you did on October 7th unites and empowers you. Wars have been instigated by people who weren’t actively involved in those wars. Calling it a myth is a pretty reductionist take.

[@nattteo]

Idk, I feel like Afghanistan is one of the best supporting arguments for what he's saying, it's a state that has multiple different competing Islamic factions that are all doing their best to kill the other, supported by outside Islamic interests. The state is surrounded by other Islamic states that are all probably going to be going to war with it in a few years due to geographic and other issues in the region. If Islam was really a monolith, I don't think you'd see it fractured to the extent it is today.

[@ramy9103]

Hundreds of thousands of people overseas is different than countries actively participating. To me, the Israelis are in a state of paranoia.

[@guydroogcom]

@@nattteo I definitely see your point and Destiny’s aswell. My point isn’t to say the Islamic world is completely in tact and united and forms this perfect, synchronized front to destroy the state of Israel. All I’m saying is that calling Islamic unity (at all) a myth because they’re usually not fighting the same wars anymore is taking it a bridge too far. American soldiers aren’t currently fighting in Gaza and dying for Israel by the dozens but would you call the unity between Israel and the US a myth?

[@Love-eg2vf]

@@guydroogcomcomparing Arab countries and non-Arab isla mic countries is where people miss the mark. Isl am was in its essence Arab imperialism, and thus even Arab countries with a sizable non Muslim pop will still be much more unified in the core tenets (anti Jwish being one of those tenets) and culture. That’s why for example Irans population is much more pro jwish despite it being the most Isla mic country… it has a rich connection to its non Islamic past. Afghanistan is not far behind. It’s a nuanced topic but suffice it to say westerners can’t really understand Isla m until they understand Mo ham mad

[@dip9995]

Destiny has said many times the western protestors are only hurting Palestinians by deluding them that they can get more if they wait.

[@yeshiadmasu2563]

I agree Israel needs to be free Gaza belongs to Israel. No country like Israel some US leaders making their pocket.

[@mack44gr]

I cant decide who's the bigger clown.

[@robpom5501]

Nice to see one who was able to shittalk him have a spine and do this still and then find out while Steven is blunt and can be a dick he's not one to bullshit for some dumb personal gain.

[@JT-oo9gv]

I absolutely grown to love Yishai. Even tho his views would be from a westernized perspective considered conservative I guess with which I shouldn't agree. You can see this guy really wants a solution that will be the best for everyone is honest well thought out and not motivated by malice or revenge or some misleading emotions. Its just with these issues it is always a guessing game with huge risks. And with our opinions we all just try to guess based on the information we have what the best way to go about it. We should all take a step back and acknowledge that most people including him iff you would give them a guarantee that any left or right or whatever process would work out in a better future they would agree with that.

[@strupat]

Yishai is so obviously chauvinist. Absolutely oozes all indicators. Anyone who thinks they're going to learn anything from him other than "oh this is how a propagandist sounds/behaves" will ultimately be disappointed.

[@LaSmoocherina]

I have a suggestion. A daily digital, video game like, overhead map that shows the bombs/firefights for the entire country. Show all 24 hours in 5 mins. It could show what’s happened back and forth in the north and what happened in Gaza. If there is a ceasefire, have cameras above to PROVE who breaks the ceasefire first. Bellamy Bellucci would be a good host of it, daily.

[@ilayohana3150]

25:33 but its not. It shows the very real and significant problem in the western way of thinking thats also infected some israelis that the answer is always democracy, and it's very refreshing to see someone like destiny realise that because i think its subconscious at this point. Its no coincidence the only stable muslim countries are military dictatorships or monarchies, we should learn from that not bash our head against the wall.

[@CrystilBluebird-nl7wj]

Yishai Fleischer for Prime Minister of Israel!

[@joesilver4376]

Take it easy. He must first reach a certain level of ruthlessness required in that horrible Middle East neighborhood to be Prime Minister.

[@Anonymous-ks8el]

now spill the beans Mr. Yishai, which one of Destiny's food takes were the worst? This is a guy who doesn't like waffle ice cream cones

[@stephanieconley3234]

ive been waiting for this conversation! im atheist also but i respect peoples faith and dont try to talk the out of it. i understand that is a line i shouldnt cross because faith is important and that is not my life to tamper with.

[@kiljoy3254]

Perception. I’ve suggested before, basically to try and approach matters obliquely… from an angle less emotionally charged I.e take ‘Bukele schools BBC reporter’ on the India Today channel; that’s a very impressive summary of Globalist “Recipes”. The like of which we see in Ukraine, and against Imran Khan in Pakistan, and previously in Lydia, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq… Then see the short excerpt of the recent Tucker Carlson interview with Bukele; he cites studies that suggest that over 60% of El Salvadorians in the USA wish to return to their homelands. You couldn’t say that about Venezuelans; but, God willing, that might change if Trump/MAGA can bring the “recipes” to an end. Above all else… remember this is about perception, read the comments on that Tucker interview; those people expressing heartfelt admiration and goodwill toward Bukele and his ‘Israel’ of Latin America are almost certainly overwhelmingly supporters of Israel, and they get accused of being the “isolationists” and much worse. It’s absurd, it’s evil… it’s unsustainable.

[@sholompraver4348]

In reference to what Destiny said (at the very end) about what impressed him about the accomplishments of BOTH sides, we have painfully learned, from our tragic experiences in Nazi Germany, that 'the measure of advancment is NOT a degree in higher education and a fine suit'.

[@sholompraver4348]

@whousa642 You've missed the point of the entire exchange.

[@alex8491]

You nailed it.

[@abelincoln8885]

You haven't learned at all after 2000 years in Europe. They were Humanist Liberals then .... and Humanist Liberals now.. You've always been following Man's ways not God. Israel means "wrestles with God" and is the name the Angel of God ( who is God) gave Jacob. A Jew is simply the name from the Bible for the Israelites (descendants of Jacob) and for over 3400 years ... the Jews ... have constantly wrestled with God ... following Man's ways not God. What is happening in Israel ... goes all the way back to 1st Century Judea ... where there was no Palestine or Islam ... and where the ruthless, evil pagan Romans allowed the Jews to worship God and to make sacrifices to God in the Temple .. so long as they pay their taxes and do not cause any ... trouble. And God of the Bible is very clear that if the Jews follow & obey only Him ... they will be blessed with the lands from the Nile to Euphrates river .. but .. if the rebel or wrestle against God, sin and defile the Temple .. then they will be punished/cursed by God. The Assyrians, Babylonias, Greeks & Romans were able to conquer and occupy ... the Promised Land ... due to the Jews rebelling against God and following Man's ways not God. So the Roman occupation was due to the Jews following Man(Rabbis) not God (Torah). According to Isaiah Daniel, Jonah & Hosea .. the Jews will reject the Messiah who is God's Only Son ... sent to be a sin sacrifice to save anybody ( including ruthless, evil pagan Romans) who believe from God's just nature ... and the Messiah will die 40 years before the Temple is destroyed starting the 2 x 1000 year curse of the Jews ... for follow Man (Rabbis) not God. Any worldly person who reads Isaiah 53 ... knows this is Jesus Christ. But the Rabbis insist it is about Israel ... not the Messiah. Likewise verse after verse in the Torah ... clearly about Jesus ... is rejected by Rabbis as mischievous interpretation by pagan Christians as its about something or someone else ... not Jesus. Jesus died 14 Nisan 30 AD .... exactly 40 years before the Romans destroyed the Temple as prophesied in the Torah. But Rabbis after the destruction of the Temple ... claimed God gave them the oral Torah (Talmud) and appointed Rabbis to be interpreters of God's word .. and made Judaism all about God, Messiah & being a Jew according to Rabbis ... who rejected God being a Trinity and Jesus being His Son. Even though Isaiah 9:6 clear states a son is given and he shall be called Almighty God & Father. The Son of God ... becomes the Father ... of the Children of God (Believers) and is still God but not God the Father. See. for over 3400 years the Jews ( Israelites) have wrestled with God ... forllowing Man's ways not God (Torah). The Torah clearly says the Messiah is God's Son sent to save anybody who believes especially those ... ruthless, evil pagan Romans occupying Judea. But the Rabbis said the Messiah is not God's Son, but is just a Man ... who will be a great military leader ... and defeat the enemies of the Jews .. especially the ruthless, evil, pagan Romans who already hate the Jews & their God. The Jews who believed in the Rabbis' Messiah ... took up arms ... to fight the occupation .. causing trouble ... and the Roman's ruthlessly destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple. The the Jews continued to follow the Rabbis to fight the occupation expecting the Messiah to appear and this time ... in 135 AD ... Hadrian slaughtered millions .. expelled the Jews from Judea .. and renamed it Syria-Palestina. Islam would not be made up by violetn pagan Arabs until the early 600's. Everything happening in Israel ... was prophesied in the Torah ... and the 2 x 1000 year curse ... began in 30 AD ... when the Jews rejected Jesus as their Messiah and followed Man(Rabbis). The curse ends in 2030 ... because that is the year 6 x 1000 .. when God (Son) returns as a King to rule Mankind for 1 x 1000 years ... in Jerusalem, Isral. This is why God ( Jesus) .. had a 6 day creation and the 7th day belongs to Him. Only six more years to go ... of the curse .. and wrestling with God. The Jews have not learn anything at all over the past 2 000 years. They continuously follow Man's ways not God (Torah).

[@MADDcartman]

True, but education almost entirely leads its population to a higher standard of living. I’d put education top 3 keys for a healthy and prosperous modern society. Don’t think he was arguing it was the only importance.

[@sholompraver4348]

@MADDcartman I agree. I'm also not assuming he believes education would guarantee that a society would be healthy, prosperous, and MORAL. But I found it noteworthy that that would have to be another conversation with him.

[@YB-ok1ny]

Yishai, have you seen the Piers G Galloway debate? GG must be debated by you asap. He told so many untruths. Sweet Destiny. Israel just isn’t his forte’. So much he can’t see and understand.

[@nadasimich1267]

I am a 'hard core' fan of this amazing man (Yishai)🙏🇮🇱❤️

[@suz688]

Destiny at least is honest, in that he has no feel or attachment to what happens to Israel; it's quite cold... I can't understand how someone is aware of Jewish history can be so callous & I believe he has grandparents who are survivors. There are a few holocaust survivors still, my mother is one of them; so the sense of an existential crisis is very real & not at all abstract. I appreciate he is actively looking for solutions to the "conflict"...feels a little dry towards Jews & more warm towards the "Palestinian cause". I don't look for antisemitism & I believe everyone is closely related, yet there are fundamental differences that I believe has made Jews very strong; & I wish this for the Palestinians. They are a very capable people, but there is a victimhood mentality; had the Jews given sway to this mindset certainly there wouldn't be an Israel the way it is today. Jewish history clearly shows a people kicked out all over the globe, but they never gave into the desire or expectation of being taken care of. I got the sense that Destiny does not acknowledge Jewish history other than Jews being prideful; therefore reluctant to sing its praises & not without quickly shifting to how educated the Palestinians are. I can't get around his lack of emotional connection to the Jewish people, I would have asked him if he identifies as a Jew (without the religious part, as he already claimed agnostic)...& if so, what does it mean to him.

[@DevonRyeTheDragonfly]

That’s not true though. As far as I’m aware, he knows the “Palestinian Cause” is nonsense but he thinks there needs to be an acceptable solution for Israelis, Arabs and the international world order.

[@plaguemouse5549]

I also don't care. Why should we? Abrahamites have been slaughtering each other for thousands of years, why should I feel anything about this? The jews did massacre all the canaanites, didn't they? Everything that followed Abraham came from the concept of killing people who worship other Gods.

[@milantarbuk1039]

This feels like you never watched a single other Destiny vid.

[@Predatorsnightmare]

It's funny that you say Palestinians have a victim mentality but you started of your comment painting your kind as victims

[@LiiRAE.]

If it makes you feel any better, destiny doesn't really have any strong emotional feelings towards anyone or anything but some of his family and close friends. He likes not to get emotionally invested before he does his research on topics, so that he doesn't get emotionally swayed and thus open to being biased. I think after learning and refining his opinion he'll be more open to emotional impressions or arguments, which he got a whole lot of in his israel journey. He'll go through all of it on his stream over the coming weeks.

[@kevin_6217]

Why Biden?

[@firefly9838]

Trump is an idiot geopolitically

[@HALF_DAY]

Lets go

[@lisaschuster686]

I finally felt for a man in Gaza. My brother and I talk about them like they’re not even human, but the middle-aged guy in a video was sobbing so desperately … blood and tears and grime all over his face … The city is gone. Maybe enough is enough?

[@sandytatham3592]

I was chatting in March with a man from Gaza on Instagram after he contacted me asking for money. I gave up talking to him when he said this: *"It seems that you have forgotten that Palestine is our land and every individual is required to defend it, and this is not only a national duty, but a religious and ideological duty that every Muslim in every country must have."* Why don't people believe it when educated Palestinians tell us this? This guy has perfect English, is an engineer, used to have a lovely house, has a daughter and another child on the way. I give up after he made his ideological position clear. I want the children of Gaza to have a better future, not a dead end.

[@PersonOfNote]

@@sandytatham3592so we should believe you and your conversation with a no name stranger but not the Israeli leadership when they’ve told you what their intentions are for decades?

[@sandytatham3592]

@@PersonOfNote: His name is Basel @basel.pal95 , and his little daughter's name is Lulu. I think some Israeli leaders are very aware of the Islamic ideology and its goals. But many Israelis look at things through 'western eyes' and don't want to believe that the goal of fundamentalist Muslims is to retake what has been taken from them, as in Quran verse 2:191 "drive them out from where they drove you out.". Gazans are heavily influenced by the Muslim Brotherhood which was set up in Cairo after the Ottoman Caliphate was defeated by the Allied Powers in 1918. The goal of the Muslim Brotherhood is to restore the Caliphate. H*amas states that it wants Jerusalem as the capital of their restored Caliphate. I believe that it should be made clear to the people of Gaza that the indigenous Jewish people are back in control in their ancestral homeland, but that the Gazans can live in peace with the Jewish people if they choose to...🇮🇱🙏💙

[@Love-eg2vf]

@@PersonOfNote The following was written CENTURIES prior by Maimonides, who was one of the most respected influential figures of his time by Muslins and Jws alike: “God has entangled us with this people, the nation of Ishmael, who treat us so prejudicially and who legislate our harm and hatred…. No nation has ever arisen more harmful than they, nor has anyone done more to humiliate us, degrade us, and consolidate hatred against us.” It’s almost like the cult of Mo ham mad has serious issues with letting others live in peace in pretty much every country it has a significant population in. Who would have thought?

[@bikerd12]

"… Why should we declare their burning hatred for us? For eight years they have been sitting in the refugee camps in Gaza, and before their eyes we have been transforming the lands and the villages, where they and their fathers dwelt, into our estate …". -- Moshe Dayan's (former Israeli defense minister and war hero) eulogy for Ro'i Rothberg, 1956

[@Love-eg2vf]

Wow, one quote/opinion. 🙄 As someone whose parents came from this region, it’s a known fact that Ashkenazi Israelis (such as Dayan) do not understand the region and often hold the belief that history started with them. They don’t realize that this hatred has nothing to do with them. Here is a quote written CENTURIES prior by Maimonides, who was one of the most respected influential figures of his time by Muslins and Jws alike: “God has entangled us with this people, the nation of Ishmael, who treat us so prejudicially and who legislate our harm and hatred…. No nation has ever arisen more harmful than they, nor has anyone done more to humiliate us, degrade us, and consolidate hatred against us.”

[@Happy-I-Am-]

After the interview he commands them to “take him out” cuz he was not able to persuade Steve into Zionist lmao

[@everythingandmore5537]

At minute 15:00 the Rabbi says the "war" should have been over if food, water, fuel etc was not allowed in for 2 weeks. There 30k Hamas in a population of 2.3 million. Or Hamas needs only 2% of the food coming in. So the population will starve before Hamas starve. The Rabbi believes Hamas love their people and will surrender to prevent starvation. At other times Hamas uses civilians as human shields. He needs to decide whether hamas is good or evil to their own people