Destiny VS Kent Hovind | Is there Evidence for Creationism? | Debate Podcast

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[@ModernDayDebate]

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[@timmcclymont3527]

Dude this is awesome I just started and I can't wait. Might sound insane, but I'm subscribed to both destiny and Dr. Kent Holvind. Please man for fucks sake, have them both back on for a round 2

[@paulanelson1629]

And how does a star burn in a vacuum?

[@Gwaithmir]

@@paulanelson1629 The process that releases energy from stars is not combustion, so no oxygen is required. In stars, under very high temperature and pressure, hydrogen atoms fuse into helium atoms and release energy as Gamma Rays.

[@porkramen]

​@@paulanelson1629stars don't "burn" like a campfire does. It doesn't require oxygen. Cope.

[@andrewfrank7222]

Kent Hovind should first have to prove his scientific credentials.

[@SpencerG82]

"Evolution is a fairy tale for grown-ups." The irony.

[@FragRaptor]

it's just projection for how stupid he feels. I pity him.

[@Specopleader]

Wow, the first person in a long time who uses "irony" correctly.

[@MillzTheAthlete]

Was Ken implying that religion was a fairy tales for kids? Hilarious.

[@SpencerG82]

@@MillzTheAthlete He implied evolution was a fairy tale.

[@KirstenMarie_MS3]

@@MillzTheAthlete No. Spencer was referring to the fact that religion is also a bunch of fairytales for grownups.

[@ataridc]

I'm 34 and I'm pretty sure the earth is only 34 years old

[@garininderdeo8010]

I think the arguement was it must be at least 34 years old but funny joke .

[@ohhellno8759]

Garin inderdeo my mom is 43

[@axemel]

The world was actually created, fully formed, with my complete memories, 3 seconds ago.

[@55Quirll]

Wrong, I am 64 and I know exactly when the earth came to be March 22, 1955 10:00pm EST Disprove that Dr. Dino

[@MartTLS]

atariDC_ Lol so your parents gave birth to you when they were both no years old ? That was a miracle .

[@StannisHarlock]

52:18 The lack of self awareness in Kent Hovind arguing that something was proven wrong years ago is almost too much to bare.

[@erikfreezer6282]

Why does your rainbow buttsleim even watch then?

[@ChrisLang-n9n]

Almost every argument that he ever presents have been proven incorrect Years ago

[@TheLizardWizard17]

Kent still regurgitates the same old statements/points that he heard from his favourite preacher Tom Malone in the 60s/70s, his statements are not original and have been refuted and debunked for at least 50/60 years

[@davidreda1211]

Kent's ego is writing checks that it can't cash.

[@timtron]

​@@davidreda1211don't worry, I'm sure they're only $9999, to avoid being reported to the IRS. Structuring is what they call it.

[@quinndepatten4442]

I've noticed that a lot of kent's rhetoric revolves around the idea that "it doesn't disprove it, so it proves it." That explains a lot actually.

[@oldscorp]

Atheists always "notice" whatever they need to hold on to their fantasy. They notice geologic columns, billions of years, contradictions in the Bible, history that never happened, evidence in bones for stuff that never happened, etc.

[@JUmbay-sc2gw]

I may be missing your point but here’s my thoughts on yours. It doesn’t disprove it, means we don’t ACTUALLY know. Folks who believe in God accept and admit that we don’t technically know, but we’re placing our whole heart in blind faith that the words in our Bible is true. Evolutionists and folks who believe the earth is millions of years old have the same amount of faith that the words in their science books are true, but won’t accept or admit that they have a religious beliefs.

[@chandlermccoy1813]

@JUmbay-sc2gw I mean the science books are much much much newer, making them easier to disprove if they were fake, and their contents base themselves off of calculations that abide by our consistent laws of physics and repeatable expiramentation. You could say that the 10th grade student reading the book may be taking it as faith, but the origin of the books and the professionals in the field are very much NOT taking it by faith. Now, there are SOME things we accept as theories, and there is some faith involved with that. However, the end result of such faith isn't absolute, as it being defined as a "theory" inherently includes the understanding that they could absolutely be wrong as there is missing information we haven't proven yet. Compare that to the Faith of God, and notice how they are entirely different. Kent doesn't have faith in a theory that god is real, he is 1000000% certain, while leaning on infinitely more faith than those proposing theories of quantum mechanics, or more fit for this debate, the earth being billions of years old and titdal forces interacting WITH the inverse square law to alter the moon's orbit. Calling them both "faith" equally is a bit intellectually dishonest I think

[@chandlermccoy1813]

​@@JUmbay-sc2gw Also sorry, forgot to include Pretty sure Kent explicitly states repeatedly that the earth is for sure about 6k years old. That isn't him saying that he doesn't know, that very much seems like he is confident in that specific answer

[@lightbeforethetunnel]

How did you determine your particular non-theistic worldview is true? Or are you doing exactly what the OP accuses Kent of (and he may do sometimes) and you simply believe your particular non-theistic worldview because it hasn't been disproven, by saying there's no evidence for God (equivalent with saying there's no evidence for any theistic worldview, therefore your particular non-theistic worldview is true... which is a textbook appeal to ignorance fallacy)

[@misterarchaeopteryx3764]

If Hovind is going to use his credentials and his “teaching history” as a way to qualify his claims, then it is perfectly on topic to ask him to verify his credentials and “teaching history.” The fact that he squirmed away from a question about his thesis says it all.

[@chicagocarpenter8142]

Look man it may be true he didn’t teach in a public school. But he clearly knows what he’s talking about and you’re stupid or have very slow comprehension skills to not get that. I’ve seen all kinds of professors and scientists ask him point blank “do you know what so and so is” and he responds with a valid answer because time and time again they react like this guy actually knows and understands this stuff. He just draws a different conclusion from the facts

[@joncolumbino744]

@@chicagocarpenter8142 Kent Hovind disagrees with Einsteins Theory of General Relativity, which is what astrophysicists have made extremely accurate predictions with, so either Kent Hovind, who has no formal education from an accredited college in this subject matter has made a revolutionary discovery that blows out everything we know about the universe, or he is an ignorant, uneducated man who ad hoc reasons his conclusions however he sees fit.

[@nero3901]

@@chicagocarpenter8142 How do you watch Kent and come to the conclusion that he isn't a clown. My favorite quotes from him are "whales have a 15ft penis" and "so you are saying that a palm tree and a whale are related."

[@michaelshort2388]

yep. just like when kent uses the bible to verify his claims but then when questioned about the bible says "stay on topic"

[@ripley69]

I believe the question about Hovind's thesis was relevant. He represented himself here and in every other appearance as Dr. Hovind or Dr. Dino. He should have to supply evidence of his credentials. On the other hand the fact he refused to answer is probably evidence enough his claim to a degree is fraudulent. I wonder if he would be willing to supply his credentials to participate is any debate. I suspect not.

[@jamesdownard1510]

Hovind's "science" doctorate is from Patriot University, an unaccredited creationist operation without an actual campus or faculty. Hovind's jejune doctoral dissertation is also a hoot.

[@brighton7876]

The idea that you must have credentials to believe or know the truth is silly. If I believe the Earth is old, but am only 15 years old and haven't finished high school, does that make the idea untrue?

[@jamesdownard1510]

@@brighton7876 Indeed, anyone and everyone can study and learn. Sound methods are at the core of it, regardless of technical degrees. People with PhDs can be damned fools, especially when venturing outside of their fields to pursue dogmatic needs. In the end, it is the evidence that matters, and the side that ignores most of it (as Kent Hovind's creationism does), and blatantly misrepresents the content they do bump into (again as Kent Hovind's creationism does) cannot be held to be rigorous. As an old saying goes, "By their fruits shall ye know them," and when it comes to science, Kent's basket is inedible.

[@brighton7876]

@@jamesdownard1510 Thank you for responding. My question to you, someone who seems like they care about the subject, for I have seen you posting other comments in this thread. What evidence is there for the earth being over 10000 years? To me, the exact date does not matter, but under 100000 seems to be in the realm I believe. From my understanding observations point to a "young earth" (under 100000 for the sake of discussing). Destiny said there is no "evidence" for a young earth. True, for you have to make assumptions on both sides. But who depends THE MOST on faith is the question. I personally do not have enough faith to believe that there is no god or no way to no him. Mind is open, love to here a response, thanks

[@brighton7876]

@James Downard Saharah, population, moon, the second law of thermodynamics, literature, etc. all point to a young earth, so there is no reason to believe otherwise. Unless, of course, there is and in that case, I would like to know.

[@jamesdownard1510]

1 hr 2 min in, Kent thinks OK to discuss his adoption of Christianity but deflected on his PhD dissertation as off topic! Oh, brother.

[@taq154]

A nickel has a thickness of 0.077 inches, according to wikipedia. If 6000 years is that 0.077 inches, the conversion factor is the ratio of inches per years, or (0.077in/6000y). Then the distance corresponding to 4.5 billion years should be equal to (4500000000y)*(0.077in/6000y). This is 57,750 inches, or 4812.5 feet, or more than 0.91 miles. Kent said this was 60 inches, or five feet. This is 962.5 times less than it actually is. He's three orders of magnitude off, with no sign of even remote similarity between the answers. Prisoner #06452017 can't even do grade school math. It's insane and wrong and dishonest that he claims to be a math and science teacher.

[@thetiktaalik775]

Quinton Vasile thank you for that. Edit: I’m assuming you’ve seen AronRa’s stuff.

[@tokenetta8070]

I notice that too. I didn't have to do math. You can comprehend how wrong that was

[@AMARVELGIRL]

Well done! Well said!

[@sportdutch]

It's just a point for reference. That particular point does not have to be totally accurate.

[@1GODISNOWHERE1]

Clap Clap Clap for "Q" who apparently has never been wrong, but who took the time to do the math but is found nowhere during a live debate except the peanut gallery.

[@birdjo6234]

I like how Kent says Destiny needs to get his money back for his education but refused to answer a basic question about his own "education." Most real scientists would love to discuss what his or her dissertation was about. But Kent's education is such a joke that even he doesn't want to talk about it

[@d.rabbit7276]

Yeah, he even claimed Destiny was avoiding questions. While avoiding questions and waiting for James to bail him out of difficult questions.

[@Willow-uk-1]

He says that in every debate. But he want answer me who do I get my time back 😆

[@teresazbikowska7094]

Isn't an indictment of the education system and not Kevin hovind?

[@ronaldcarr5686]

Not really, Kent's PhD came from a discredited Diploma Mill. Because Kent wants everyone to imaaaagine that he's a certified Doctor. Typical Narcissistic behaviour coming from Kent.

[@cal6741]

I have read his dissertation, it's comically and tragically horrendous.

[@cute-pat00t]

my favorite destiny moments are when he points out that a person's one expert source doesn't agree with them *chef's kiss*

[@adb96]

1:01:35 exact quote from Kent: "I'm not sure who yahweh is." Then goes on about the god of the bible... man doesnt even know his own religion 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@evino7491]

I think he knows what people mean by Yahweh, he's just king James only, which is worse imo.

[@mohammadkhurram3109]

Lol

[@tigerahitman6828]

@@evino7491 kjv is NOT worst, it's the most precise translation from Hebrew Greek

[@mooseknuckle420]

@@tigerahitman6828 no it's literally the worst version. mistranslations on purpose

[@tigerahitman6828]

@@mooseknuckle420 the kjv Bible based off the evidence has shown to be the most accurate presentation of early manuscripts, would you like a rundown on its authenticity? Or are you making claims based off of what you THINK despite of the evidence, don't make claims you know nothing about, rule of thumb

[@theRandy712]

Kent: See the dating proves me right. Also Kent: If dating proves me wrong, dating is a false unreliable science

[@stevel6360]

He also completely denies the validity of uniformitarianism yet used it multiple times because it's supported him

[@erikfreezer6282]

​@@stevel6360 Wut???

[@strangerares]

two different labs date the the halves of the same rock , one came up with the number a million other one with two million , that's 100% error margin , yet you choose to go with the one "dating proves me right" ?

[@bertthompson4748]

​@@strangeraresmost of the people who understand this will know the cause of the incorrect dating. Would you speculate on how dating can be so wildly different?

[@strangerares]

@@bertthompson4748 I would speculate most of these tests are bias You take the word of of someone you didn't see the test ,don't know their credentials , or how they obtained those credentials , if they ever contributed to science ,unknown scientist They call themselves scientist , declare something according to their own religion to refute Christianity and still science unwillingly confirms Christian claims

[@Andrew-bf2oj]

FYI when you ask a PhD about their thesis, they'll more than gladly talk about it with you because it's all they worked on for a good portion of their life. He also attacks Destiny with childish insults, which shows a level of personal insecurity. He's also incorrect about a lot of known facts using disjointed analogies.

[@sklorbit]

Destiny got carbon dated in this debate

[@hacked6613]

BEEEEEEETAAAAAAA

[@richardcraig599]

Hacked MOMMAS BOY

[@StevenPaulDesign]

Why would Kent pretend he's never heard the name Yahweh rather than just say he prefers to not use that name?

[@candorman9444]

He's a liar?

[@happilyeggs4627]

Yahweh is the name he uses on his illegal second passport. He keeps it handy in case the feds come for him. Mr Yahweh Hovind.

[@isacpaula8840]

I know this one, because he's a disonest prick con man!!! 😝

[@TwoEcksKay]

He's just too used to lying to avoid questions, it was the first thing he did without even thinking.

[@ogslowdragon]

He said He doesn't know who yahwey is cause that ain't Jesus. Got it?

[@tyrantsmisery]

It's telling that the first question asked of Kent he dodges because he doesn't want to prove he doesn't have any credentials.

[@metalministershow]

Isn't that a genetic fallacy?

[@tyrantsmisery]

@@metalministershow not if you're out to prove he is a charlatan lying about his credentials.

[@johnbiggscr]

Brighton Allen actually yeah, if he had a degree in the science he was talking about then yeah it would carry more weight.

[@sigururolafsson2257]

Would it matter if he had?

[@Deckard_B26354]

Kent doesn't want to answer where he got his PHD.... "Doctor"......

[@GotPoopInMySoup]

It came from a degree mill lol

[@teamatfort444]

@Paradox Flux "school"

[@MegaTattoo69]

Cracker Jack box University 🥺🤪

[@wolfos420]

Wow, everything but Kent's arguments have come so far in a couple years. The audio, video, and even the format of the debate. If Kent could just keep up with science...

[@kartikiyer-3335]

Then he wouldn't be a young earth creationist...

[@1d2y]

Really good rebuttal to what he said. *cough cough* you just wrote a poorly written letter to the manager how wawawa his argument bad but I cant respond without a snide comment. Post a comment and refute him or keep whining up.

[@bluecollarred6912]

@@1d2y what argument? He never put forth anything beyond the things he has faith in. That's fine, it's his right but it's hard to find any fact based arguments in there. I believe the main point was that Kent keeps making refuted points in every debate. He has a script and can't seem to talk into account anything that shows that script to be highly flawed at best.

[@anyone9689]

@@1d2y interacting galaxies , like the mice galaxies midway thru a billion year collision indicates a very old universe . this does not depend on light speed , those stars are misplaced thousands of light years if there was no collision ( the " tails") , that takes millions of years , therefor the universe is very old or made to appear old ( a deception).

[@PedroCouto1982]

With Duck Duck Go, the only source with the term "lunar recession problem" is Answers in Genesis. There are other sources about the subject. For instance: How did the moon end up where it is?, Mattias Green (Bangor University), David Waltham (Royal Holloway University of London) «(...) if we assume that lunar recession has always been 3.8cm/year, we have to go back 13 billion years to find a time when the Earth and moon were close together (for the moon to form). This is much too long ago (...) if we know how Earth’s tectonic plates have changed position, we can work out where the moon was in relation to our planet (...) But we don’t know the details of the tides over long periods of time and, as a result, we cannot say where the moon was in the distant past. (...) One promising approach to resolve this is to try to detect Milankovitch cycles from physical and chemical changes in ancient sediments.»

[@MrBackin5ive]

Somehow, I just don't think Kent really taught physics for 15 years.

[@ZedStone1]

Kent: 'blah, blah, blah....you can Google it.' Google: 'Leave us outta this.'

[@MrLemonsxiii]

i like how he goes “a frog turning into a prince is a fairytale” and the turns around to say that big daddy space magic made everything

[@boltrooktwo]

You have an incredible belief in frogs. Intelligence creates things, that’s observable, frogs don’t have that intelligence.

[@KGH3000]

@@boltrooktwo I can prove to you very easily that frogs can create more frogs

[@boltrooktwo]

@@KGH3000 And what created the first frogs?

[@KGH3000]

@@boltrooktwo While animals classified as frogs are thought to have a common ancestor that defines their "clade" and so on, that's actually not really relevant to your question. The real answer is there never were any first frogs. "Frog" is a human classification based on animals that _currently_ exist and share certain features. Evolution hypothesizes that if you could look back in time, you would always see offspring that look like their parents. There was no moment in time where frogs as we know them came into being, they developed over time (is what evolution claims).

[@boltrooktwo]

@@KGH3000 You say there never were any first frogs so that contradicts your claim you could prove frogs create more frogs. This hypothesis about some people say some things about evolution is an appeal to authority, you aren’t even naming the authority, if I don’t accept your proposed authority because it is arbitrary, contradictory, often wrong, and tyrannical then what you just said was meaningless. You can’t provide any proof of it, not even proof of a source for the claim.

[@jakubholic8769]

"Do you heve any evidence (not bible) about Earth age?" "Bible says so..." This is as dumb as it can be.

[@putzthewondersloth]

Incidentally, I did the math on how long ago the moon would have been touching the Earth and the Creationists got the decimal point wrong. When I did so, I found that the amount of time it would take would be approximately 10 billion years ago, not 1. They messed up the decimal point. Here's the math that I did: Current distance to the moon: 384,400 km (38,440,000,000 cm) Kent's recession rate: 3.8cm/year Distance / recession rate = time 38,440,000,000/3.8 = 10,115,789,473 years If he has different math, he's invited to share it.

[@wmbmatt]

I think you are missing a couple steps. Lol

[@putzthewondersloth]

@@wmbmatt I'd be more than happy to hear of any errors you happen to find. That's why I showed my work, to show how I came up with my conclusion and for others to show where I went wrong, if I did.

[@AlexPBenton]

Devils advocate here, you are forgetting that the moon would be pulled more by earth’s gravity the closer it is, so the rate would have to… accelerate… over time… meaning that in the past it… was… slower…. Oh, oh Kent, how could you not realize that the inverse square law *extends* the origin of the moon??

[@putzthewondersloth]

@@AlexPBenton Fair enough. I have considered this, but I think that the closer the moon is to the earth, the faster it's orbit. It's like swinging a ball on a string. If you pull in some of the string, the ball swings faster. I figure that would off-set that. The main thing is how Creationists came up with their number. Given the very limited variables provided, the time-frame is ten times longer than the number they provide.

[@michaelszczys8316]

Whether it's 1 billion or 10 billion I still fail to see how the relationship of the earth to the sun or the earth to the moon could maintain such a steady relationship so as to allow for the millions and billions of years of livable climate on the earth for all of this evolving to take place. Just not seeing it, no matter what you try to explain.

[@DissedRedEngie]

About the ark. Recent studies say that 50 people would be the minimum amount of specimens to repopulate. You know, because of the problems with incest. So, not only did people live for hundreds of years in the past, but also were immune to incest problems. EDIT: should have reread what it says. 50 is for avoiding extinction, but that's just surviving. You actually need 500 for that population to prosper and not go extinct if for example temperature changes rapidly.

[@quantumrobin4627]

He just does a live condensed version of his awful seminars, everything is the same, from 1986 until now, same jokes, same cherry picked succession of Walt Brown and Dwayne Gish nonsense. Feel like I need a shower to wash the creepy ignorance off after watching a few minutes a Kent.

[@SpongeBobImagination]

The reason Dr Hovind's presentations are so consistent and familiar is because true is true. Unlike what's printed in the science textbooks about "evolution", the truth doesn't change every few years. Sure, some updated content and fresh jokes would be welcomed by those who are already familiar with his work. But beyond that there is no reason why Dr Hovind's presentations would necessarily change all that much.

[@chimpanzeethat3802]

Nothing Kent says is true. He doesn't even accurately describe the things that he's trying to debunk. The only people who think that Kent does a good job are the people who know even less about science than he does.

[@thomaswarren7831]

SpongeBob Imagination you need to absorb Aron Ra’s 7 hour take down, step by step, of Hovind. He is evil.

[@quantumrobin4627]

SpongeBob Imagination Yea, we know the reason why his bullshit never changes, but we’re on chapter 12 of that book and you apparently have never even been to the library.

[@traplover6357]

@@SpongeBobImagination "the truth doesn't change every few years" yes, but human perception of the truth does, hence why corrections are made to past inaccuracies either due to an error in observations or new data being discovered. To say that Hovind's human perception of truth can't be wrong is very improbable.

[@johnbiggscr]

‘Is there evidence for creationism?’....nope. Next question.

[@Xx1PWNY1xX]

@Josue Olivas not peer reviewed or backed by science

[@Xx1PWNY1xX]

@Josue Olivas You only accept the things you can understand? That's a terrible way to live.. you do realize we have specialists for a reason? We are blessed with the ability to be proficient in an certain areas while others master things we dont have time for. It would be impossible for everyone to know the science and physics of the universe, but we can place trust in the researchers who do understand this area to perform to the best of their abilities and relay the knowledge down to everyone. You must not 'accept' very many things in life.

[@johnbiggscr]

Josue Olivas no, it can’t happen in a scientific environment because the science either works or it doesn’t. It’s not dependent on who supposedly ‘won’ something. There is tons of evidence for evolution, from multiple scientific fields, and everything we keep finding keeps backing it up. To claim there is no evidence is just bearing false witness. And for the Bible being an historic book.....the Iliad talks about Troy. Troy was found to be a real historic place....thus Achilles really was invulnerable because his mother dipped him in the river styx, and the god’s really did help him during the siege. That’s the logic you are arguing for.

[@Xx1PWNY1xX]

@Josue Olivas this creationists 'science' has been proven wrong anyway.

[@johnnycakemusic4069]

@Josue Olivas science is objective facts, peer reviewed by professionals, with nearly universal standards, and while corruption exists in the scientific community, that's exactly why peer reviewing exists, to correct or falsify something known to be wrong. Life is full of objective facts, it's just knowing and understanding them that is tricky, but if something is wrong, of course people will do anything they can to dismiss it. Science is not nor could be an "agenda," and if it is, it's an agenda of facts. When people try to dismiss creationists, it's because creationism has little to no evidence, if not disproven many times, but the big bang theory and evolution have been built up, and revised to the greatest extent possible at the time based on mountains of evidence, and when someone tries to promote pseudoscience as more factual, it might as well be throwing away centuries of well gathered facts as if they mean nothing, in favour of assumptions made by people thousands of years ago who didnt understand science to the degrees we do now.

[@TheRealVince99]

"What is Kent's thesis about and where can I find it?" Kent: *Visibly upset* "I WENT TO SCHOOL IT WAS A REAL SCHOOL I mean... this question is off topic."

[@johnbrinsmead3316]

so even Kent is a bit awkward about his thesis.

[@justindunn4223]

You're still shaking from finding out Christ is King

[@alexithyme3511]

I love how creationist believe that the scientific method working exactly the way it is supposed to proves science is flawed. Hypothesis are crafted with existing data. When new data is found that contradicts the existing hypothesis it is supposed to be reformulated.

[@LewisRoa-y2h]

Young know it all spouting scientific lies he isn't aware of, Hovind proved evolution is flawed before this prickbwas probably born. 😅

[@aaronmcdonald2877]

Destiny: What is your evidence that the Earth is 6000 years old? Kent: Well yuur sciunce proves the muun is 1 billion years old. Unreal.

[@RanEncounter]

@@DGS_1992 So what was the point?

[@douglaslangley9251]

@@DGS_1992 explain shitstain

[@Xx1PWNY1xX]

@some guy 🤣

[@chezeus1672]

the inverse square law says that when 2 bodies are 3 times further apart and thus have 90% less gravitational pull towards each other, the weaker force makes them move much slower! that's what the word inverse means, you have to invert the direction of the force, too! unbelievable that actual parents really were irresponsible enough to let this guy homeschool their kids in *math.*

[@mario167100]

amazin

[@ericlefeld8059]

Destiny vs The powerpoint priest: "The attack from beyond Microsoft" Ratings: "How many slides did you need for this movie?" -Rando "Great for sleeping!" -Franco "A shit show of ages."-Gregg O.

[@hobosorcerer]

No, I can't listen to Kent say his same long-corrected set of lines for another hour and a half of my life. We all know his position by now- just start with back & forth discussion next time instead.

[@gregoryadams9025]

Yup

[@OmegaWeaponX2]

I've never even heard of this guy in my life, but I'm here because I'm a huge fan of Destiny, and this is a pretty good intro to the craziness of this Hovind guy.

[@higgins007]

I know! I don't know why I do it to myself! Been listening to his schtick for 15 years! I was actually looking forward to his release from prison... I thought he might come back with a new approach, some new ideas, or actually having learned at least one new thing.... nope! May as well just cue up his videotapes from the early 90's and hit play!

[@fjccommish]

Then skip. Not everyone who watches has heard the truth before. The Evolutionists repeat their lies, so Kent repeats the truth.

[@MMAFreakofNature]

@@fjccommish you mean everyone in the world doesnt know kent Hovind !?!?!?

[@brendynfehr5720]

Destiny cleaned Hovind's clocks without even raising his voice once, and in a fraction of the time that Kent took to Gish Gallup his fallacious and inaccurate claims out. I am completely astounded by the patience shown here, and Destiny's fact check on the fly for the moon recession claim as soon as Kent provided a source. 👏👏👏

[@mikerodgers7620]

Destiny cleaned nothing. Atheists are lost as usual. But don't worry, Hell won't be so hard for them to miss. 😁 Or you.

[@Steve-in-the-uk]

Kent's argument, "The bible says" . This is a claim, not evidence.

[@miskatonicalumni5612]

Kent: You can't assume that everything has been constant. Also Kent: The moon is leaving the planet at so many cm a year therefore that speed has always been constant or else my claim falls apart. lulz

[@fetormephitis3040]

That is actually the opposite of what Hovind said. He clearly said further back in time science suggests the moon was moving further way more rapidly. BTW - Im not arguing in favor or against young earth, just pointing out that you really aren't accurately presenting what Hovind said.

[@metalministershow]

@@fetormephitis3040 To a point, I agree with you here, though I think Mr. Hovind's point is that naturalistic atheism presupposes that everything in the past was the same as it is now, and will continue to be so, without a solid reason other than "that's just the way it is." I also, am not defending Mr. Hovind, just attempting to make sure we're all on the same page.

[@SnakeWasRight]

Yeah, how does Kent propose that the dating methods HE uses are accurate and constant?

[@SnakeWasRight]

@@metalministershow it's not presupposed, it is observed.

[@SnakeWasRight]

@@fetormephitis3040 the problem is that Kent just contradicts himself whenever convenient to his current ad hoc point. He has no ability to date anything including the moon and its movement, if he is skeptical of uniformitarianism. If the laws of physics change, then the moon could be 45 quadrillion years old. He isnt capable of this kind of self awareness... or honesty.

[@danki2000daniel]

So far its seems his proof for creation is just the BIBLE.

[@alexsmith2910]

That's creationism!

[@numskul]

Daniel Harvey IV “aRe yOu CaLLiNg JeSus A LiAr?!”

[@prakajr2]

Bingo bango

[@pinkpidgeon6926]

most christians knows to not take anything from bible at face value.

[@danki2000daniel]

@@pinkpidgeon6926 apparently not

[@AProbablyPostman]

These slides are Tim and Eric levels of hilariously. The baby with the pacifier labeled time was unintentionally side destroying.

[@ronaldsimmons9435]

Kent keeps using old and debunked arguments that he hasn’t even sat down and did the math on or even double-checked to see if they are sound.

[@brookdecost940]

You obviously don’t understand what he is doing, the article he was using as his “proof” entirely disagrees with him, he literally dishonesty picked out sentences out of context to make a false claim. So he has sat down and thought this over, a lot of people think Kent is just really ignorant, but that isn’t the case he literally knows he is wrong and is dishonest. When he originally read the article he had to purposely set about picking out pieces out of context to try and make the article seem like it agrees with him. They call this quote mining, but whatever you call it is just plain lying to manipulate people.

[@ronaldsimmons9435]

Brook DeCost I don’t think that he has read the article. I think that he got that quote mine second-hand from some other dishonest creationist. He gets all of his stuff at least second hand. He has admitted over and over that “nothing is original” with him. He is dishonest. I’ll give you that. But there is no way he read that article from astronomy magazine. And it’s funny he kept acting like that was a science journal. He’s never read any technical literature. He had a similar problem with a geological paper that didn’t say what he was always quoting it as saying. Because he never read it. He just got the quote from some other person.

[@brookdecost940]

You might be right, but I can’t even wrap my mind around the kind of ignorance it would take to barrow quotes without actually reading the source, especially if you are going to build an entire argument off the quote.

[@robertpresley1503]

@@brookdecost940 You must be new to the creationist playbook. I have lost count of the times that creationists took quotes from a source that they think prove their point, but ignore the VERY NEXT LINE in that source that provides the needed context to prove them wrong.

[@FruityHuevos]

He continually cites quora. "Quora?!"

[@medic5150]

At 30 min, Kent is ignoring the pretty substantive fact that the proto earth and another celestial body struck and the end result were earth and a tidally locked moon.

[@ronaldsimmons9435]

Michael Johnson he thinks that because the moon is so round and spherical that it couldn’t have happened. He obviously doesn’t understand that gravity makes celestial bodies of that size spherical regardless if hit with an impact. He really doesn’t understand science.

[@Dennistube001]

all kents evidence of creation = the bible says. THATS IT FULL STOP, its all its ever been

[@jamesdownard1510]

Shannon, your question monitoring was perfectly reasonable and informative, & Kent's running from discussing his cockamamie faux doctoral dissertation tells it all.

[@fjccommish]

If I debated you, we would debate on degrees rather than ideas? I would win - I have half a dozen degrees.

[@joshuafletcher4501]

fjvideo it only matters because he claims to be Dr. Kent Hovind

[@tigerahitman6828]

@@joshuafletcher4501 look him up, he has certification

[@howzaboutapizza113]

@@tigerahitman6828 That he got from a degree mill, he even mentioned Dr isn't an actual title of his it's just "what people know him by"

[@6UAXINIM9]

@@tigerahitman6828 he does NOT have certification, he has a degree (from a degree mill type of institution, like trump college).

[@daltonjohnson9061]

Holy shit if I hear “the Bible says” one more time I’m gonna lose my mind

[@lgroschiensalle]

But if you lose your soul, your mind won't be of any use to you... It'd be more wise, IMHO, if you read your Bible and allowed God to tell you himself what he says.

[@stonemaze9925]

@@lgroschiensalle Oh, come off it...!

[@stonemaze9925]

@@lgroschiensalle What does he say to you...Just asking....

[@lgroschiensalle]

@@stonemaze9925 The same sorta things he said to Moses, to the Israelites, to his prophets, to the judges, the kings, to those that love him, and likewise, sometimes even to those that love death, and despise his name: "I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." (Isaiah 45:5-7) "Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have *not seen*, and yet have believed." (John 20:29)

[@johnkaminski3209]

@Lgros ChienSalle the same things he said to Moses? Okay so stuff like going and committing genocide and rape, stoning heretics, and how to keep slaves. Cool got it.

[@justsomeguy2825]

Kent has time to start these debates, yet he won't finish his important debate with Aron Ra. You have to wonder why.

[@SpongeBobImagination]

You have to wonder why "Aron Ra" and his audience just can't let it go. It's like you need Dr Hovind in your lives, but you don't know how to go about it nicely.

[@chimpanzeethat3802]

Please stop calling him Dr. He's not a Dr, he doesn't have a PhD or a single legitimate degree of any kind because he bought them from a mail order diploma mill that had no teaching staff and which allowed anyone to buy a fake degree and get it without having to earn it by studying or doing any work. It's insulting to everyone who worked hard for years to earn their degrees.

[@williammoseley1665]

Dr Hovind already put Nelson in his place and he and his followers can't stand it. Nelson interrupts and and is insulting when he speaks. Some how the idiot thinks that by doing that makes him correct, corrupt maybe but not correct.

[@SpongeBobImagination]

Even if Dr Hovind met all of the criteria you just listed, you guys would only shift the goalposts and find some other reason to discredit or not acknowledge it. No matter how qualified he may be, you'd still dismiss it as a fake degree because you are a bunch of hypocrites and haters with nothing meaningful or positive to contribute.

[@mrjtfang2]

@@SpongeBobImagination ...Except we wouldn't? If he went to an actual university it'd mean he might of actualy learned something. As it stands, it seem's like you didn't watch any of Aron's bits and only listened to Ra.

[@bubbahrakoonem6403]

James is a pro, very well moderated.

[@ModernDayDebate]

Thanks for your kind words, Bubba!

[@steveanton763]

I don't know. He did ok here but I watch a lot of these and I think he should say something once insults start getting thrown by one side.

[@joseignaciomontes5712]

kent's argument on magnetic field decay falls flat when you learn about paleomagnetism even just a little

[@maskim7132]

Kent floundered pretty hard when it was pointed out that an organisms presence on the planet has no validity to age of the planet

[@fjccommish]

No he didn't. He patiently explained his point, and he provided proof from scientists' findings.

[@joncolumbino744]

@@fjccommish He said, quote: "Do you really believe what you just said?" and the proceeded to change topics.

[@robertapaley5836]

Ken is wrong, we do see star formation. He should pick up a recent science book sometime.

[@DM-xi6ee]

You are referring to articles/books with misleading titles. If you read them you will find that we haven't observed star formation; only clusters of space dust that, in theory, will become stars eventually.

[@mattsmith1440]

@@DM-xi6ee Astronomers would beg to differ. To the extent that we can see stars in all stages of development right now, in the present, it's been observed. We don't actually need to live to 100k plus years to understand the process.

[@sasotadic7032]

@@DM-xi6ee we also never observed Pluto make a whole orbit around the Sun,does that mean that Pluto does not orbit the Sun?

[@DM-xi6ee]

Matt Smith, I'm familiar with what you googled. The article states we have never seen a star 'turn on.'

[@DM-xi6ee]

saso tadic, this is a false equivalence. No offense, but you are intentionally ignoring problems with star birth that scholars debate.

[@robertsommers3540]

LOL Kents face when Destiny calls him out on his quote mine OMG that is classic! Damn Shannon had a great question, but MDD was right that technically a question shouldn't come from a mod.

[@hobosorcerer]

I don't give a damn- Kent's presence lowers a debate down a few pegs. Let the mods say whatever at this point.

[@Wolfsins]

Time stamp?

[@brookdecost940]

He is talking about were destiny cited the study that Kent was citing, and destiny explained that Kent was quote mining it, and said he would link the study to the chat so everyone can see that it was a quote mine. As for Shannon’s question it was not necessary, the reason destiny didn’t push the issue was hovind directly stated that he had no scientific evidence that the earth was 6,000 years old, and his only source was the Bible, The reason it was confusing was hovind then started making the false equivalency that if he could prove the earth wasn’t 4 billion years old then this makes the Bible accurate, to which destiny replied even if I grant you everything that still wouldn’t get you to 6,000 years old, it would only get you to 1 billion years old. Destiny could have mic dropped at this point because he won the debate, Kent hovind stated in English clearly that he can’t prove the earth is 6,000 years old. Again the reason the people hovind manipulates think that hovind was making good points is because after admitting he had no evidence for a 6,000 year old earth Kent went on to rambling about how he could just move the goal post and try to show that the earth isn’t 4 billion years old (in this debate through a quote mine that destiny called him out on and then proceeded to link it in the chat so everyone could join in on the laugh of how utterly ignorant creationism is)

[@randomango2789]

Robert Sommers Time stamp please

[@robertsommers3540]

RandoMango its towards the end, just give it a watch and you will see it, the whole thing is worth seeing.

[@scorp10fl53]

I have a Doctor....his certificates are on the wall I have a Bank manager....he has certificates on his wall. I have a Dentist....she has cerificates on the wall I also have a financial advisor, a lawyer and a teacher...they ALL have certificates on their walls They also don't mind discussing their accreditations. I guess we can all agree by Kents' deflections.....that he holds phantom certificates.. The man is a legend in his own mind!

[@ForgedinPrint]

He got it from a mill.

[@iNeedScissors61]

Literally the first words out of Kent's mouth: "Well thank you so much for having me. My name is Kent Hovind, I was a highschool science, and math teacher, in christian schools for 15 years" ...okay yeah, we are all of, about 7 seconds into this thing, and already, there is a Massive red flag on the play. Let's just try to be optimistic, and just hear what else he has to say for himself, in terms of his credentials... "Moved to Pensacola, in January of 89, and, started a Ministry, called Creation Science Evangelism." ...Forget it. Discussion was dead on arrival. Call it.

[@jacksyoutubechannel4045]

What is the "red flag" in saying _"I was a high school science, and math teacher, in Christian schools for 15 years"_ ? The idea that the earth is more than 6000 years old is more than 15 years old, taught by science teachers, not contradicted by math, taught at the high school level, and taught in Christian schools.

[@Metanoia000]

You understand that Christians and Catholics in specific are responsible for many scientific achievements? A lot of the things you believe in were only possible to believe in because of them.

[@iNeedScissors61]

@@Metanoia000 this is an intellectually weak appeal man. Really juvenile. Not even gonna bother parsing it out for you. Point blank: this guy taught laughable christian science in private schools, which is a shameful excuse for a credential and he is spewing just awful nonsense this entire debate. He's also a fraud, a theif, and a woman beater. He's a scumbag to the core, and, hardly worth embarrassing yourself over, with such a childish defense.

[@justsignmeup911]

I like how Kent rewinds his Powerpoint at the end. Be kind Hovind.

[@josephcioe4697]

Watching Kent's ass getting handed to him is the best way to pass time with a high fever

[@TonecrafteLuthiery]

I agree. Kidney infections suck and all but this is helping.

[@fjccommish]

Destiny got his ass handed to him.

[@trueamerica5291]

fjvideo how does ur pastor taste? Ask ur son....🖕

[@junqii3565]

True America ladies and gentleman, the “tolerant” atheist

[@austy_whasty7941]

KZbin Hypocrisy I don’t think they said they were tolerant. Just like I wouldn’t sarcastically call the NFIB “tolerant Christians”. I’m down with joking but. Make sure you are able to make it work or make sense. But I release the problem with asking a Kent Christian to do so is not lost on me.

[@MillzTheAthlete]

Painful, just painful. Now I'm under the belief that Destiny wants to torturing himself. I can barely make it through opening statements.

[@Specopleader]

Like a narcissist and massacist.

[@southisland5402]

Kent uses sources 30 years old.

[@enjoi0555]

It’s hilarious how he has that little tv nestled up to his shoulder

[@ronaldsimmons9435]

No Kent. A recent coin on the boat might tell you when it sank but not how old the boat is. The youngest coin wouldn’t tell you this. The oldest coin would be a way to get you to the age. Not the youngest.

[@cdet3666]

This was so strange to me, I kept asking myself, does this guy not understand the linear passage of time? it is the exact opposite of what he is saying, you can find a million examples of things which are only 6000 years old, but it is the oldest coin, a strong piece of evidence showing an old universe which overrules any evidence of a young one. That piece of evidence would be the CMBR, which would have been an interesting topic, even if just to see kent ignorantly disregard all understanding of the formation of the universe and the remnants of the Big Bang because some book said there wasn't time for it.

[@SpongeBobImagination]

Dr Hovind was indeed talking about _when_ the ship sank in order to outline a basic concept. It seems a lot of atheists, including "Destiny", failed to grasp the concept that Dr Hovind was describing. Dr Hovind was not using the coin example to make a case for a new boat versus an old boat. Quite simply, the concept is as follows: The most recently made coin found with a shipwreck that has a huge amount of extremely old coins, will tell you that the ship could not have sunk any later in time than the most recent coin on the ship. That would be impossible. And so, if people are arguing that the ship sank a very long time ago (because of "overwhelming evidence", such as from a huge amount of really old coins), then the most recent coin on the boat, and there need be only one such coin, will completely destroy every claim the ship sank long ago. All of the evidence might point to a boat that sank a long time ago, but that evidence can be thrown in the bin as worthless in the presence of a single coin that dates the shipwreck as being much more recent. Dr Hovind used the coin example to outline the concept that all it takes is *one* piece of evidence that proves something is young, to destroy all of the evidence it's old. In the same way, all it takes is *one* piece of evidence that proves someone is innocent, to destroy all of the evidence that the person is guilty. When it comes to the Young Earth, all it takes is *one* piece of evidence that proves it isn't old in order to obliterate all of the evidence that makes it seem like the Earth is very old etc. Dr Hovind needed to point that out, and for the concept to be understood, before he continued to present his case for a young Earth. But, I don't think any of the atheists - least of all "Destiny" - grasped it.

[@Powersd451]

@@SpongeBobImagination you got it the complete wrong way around. It doesn't matter how much evidence you have that makes it look like the earth is young. A SINGLE piece of evidence showing it's billions of years old overpowers that. It doesn't matter how many coins you have from 1650. A single coin from 1550 proves that the coin collection has started earlier tha and 1650.

[@Powersd451]

His assertion that it only needs one piece of evidence showing it's young to overpower all the ones showing it's old is simply a false assertion. He is just saying "this evidence is stronger" without any actual justification. Kent is a fraud. He has no understanding of science and purposefully misrepresents science even after being corrected countless times. He simply doesn't care about the truth.

[@SpongeBobImagination]

​@@Powersd451 __ You have either not read or not understood what I wrote above. Sure, if there is any evidence that necessarily proves an old Earth, then the Earth cannot be 6,000 years old. No one disputes that. But you will find that _none_ of the evidence for an old Earth stands up to proper scrutiny, i.e., there is not a single piece of evidence that necessarily proves an old Earth. You are just assuming there is such evidence. You assume the evidence exists because there are many good and honest scientists in the world and you think they would tell you if it wasn't old. Since they aren't telling you it's a Young Earth, in fact they're telling you it's an old Earth, you assume it must be old. However, you are overlooking the fact that we were all born into a massive propaganda system which seeks to undermine the populations belief in God and biblical Creation. Those good and honest scientists, who are indeed looking out for you and me, were also born into the same propaganda system. They are no less vulnerable to the propaganda. In fact, they are perhaps more affected by it, because good luck having a career as a scientist if you openly admit to being a Young Earth Creationist. If you really think there is such evidence, then using *your own words,* describe that evidence in a sentence or brief paragraph. Don't copy and paste something an atheist propagandist has trained you to say. Tell me what your evidence for an Old Earth is, using your own words.

[@randomatheist167]

The Bird is the word. In the beginning was the BIRD.

[@nobleathenian3945]

Shannon's question was the best and most relevant.

[@SpongeBobImagination]

Don't worry, she will eventually notice you.

[@nobleathenian3945]

SpongeBob Imagination ?

[@miskatonicalumni5612]

"This has been the history of the world though, people have taught things that are crazy. Later they find out 'wow that was crazy, why did we believe that?'" I'd say the fact that atheism is on the rise and belief in Christianity is on the decline actually proves Kent right.

[@ignatiusfrups68]

Your conclusion is slightly confused. Humans used to believe that lightning came from the Gods. They also used to believe that the rainbow was magical and the ultimate proof of the Christian God. When a rather large portion of Europe's population was wiped out by the plague, people did nothing to find out how to prevent it, as they believed that it was God's will. Today we understand lightning, rainbows and germs, so people are less inclined to believe in the supernatural. In what way does that prove Mr Hovind right?

[@Adamska156]

​@@ignatiusfrups68Go back and reread the comment a few times and you'll likely realize the commenter is agreeing with what you're pointing out. They're making fun of Kent.

[@joeventura6287]

It's very simple. If universe is only 6,000 years old, we could see only 6,000 light years into the universe.

[@RutherfordRocket]

Do the morons think the universe is also 6,000 years old, or just the Earth?

[@PaulBunyun1954]

Jesus created wine that was already fermented; INSTANTANEOUSLY. That was his first miracle. Since God is outside of time; he can create the universe with light ALREADY inside of and out side of time. The point being; it normally requires time to make a great wine. Your idea of time is limited. God is the Lord of time.

[@thehumblepotatoreborn9313]

@op Your statement assumes that light has always travelled at the same speed

[@joeventura6287]

@@thehumblepotatoreborn9313, so it was adjusted to deceive us...bravo...the God of truth...

[@thehumblepotatoreborn9313]

@@joeventura6287 umm no, I never said it was "adjusted". All I said was that it's entirely possible that it's changed over time. Keep in mind, most atheists believe the universe to be 4.6 billion years old. You're welcome to believe the speed of light has been the same for all that time but I would argue that's a rather big assumption to make - and one that requires a lot of "faith" if you will.

[@CollectedWorx]

Watching Kent Hovind has shown me that the most infuriating personality is one of someone who is dangerously idiotic, yet also incredibly condescending. It’s painful to watch for long periods.

[@bobbyalaskanexplorer6453]

Yes knowledge changes as we gain more of it. Religion never changes even though the its wrong about everything

[@osamabad3597]

Kent is once again lying about the second law of thermodynamics. I see nothing has changed in any of his debates

[@mrjimmbo]

I saw this guy first in thundfoots early videos and Aron Ra etc and he's using the same arguments that have been debunked over and over

[@osamabad3597]

James He has to. He doesn’t have any backup arguments and probably can’t come up with any. He’s already up in age. I wouldn’t be surprised if his ability to learn and adapt is completely gone.

[@mrjimmbo]

@@osamabad3597 it's actually really enraging. He's just full of shit

[@johnbrinsmead3316]

you say lying, I say simply doesn't understand what he's talking about. malice vs incompetence? notice the way he rattles random facts and definitions when ever he's pressed on a technical detail.

[@patchwurk6652]

@@johnbrinsmead3316 Kent has been corrected again, and again, and Again on these topics. Only to immediately disregard and use them again the very next "debate" as if it's never ever been addressed to him before. He's not ignorant, he's just blatantly lying.

[@mikepotts2470]

Hovind admits his beliefs are based on Pascal’s wager and no one pulls him on it 😳

[@kaiserxdd]

I love how Kent guides arguments like a magician guides his tricks to the public. Saying like "pay attention to what i'm about to say" like saying "do not pay attention to the big piece of bs that I said like 20 seconds ago, pay attention to this instead". Then he ends by saying "man this is too complicated it has to be god"

[@joannadiaz2954]

He admits that he don’t know everything unlike the foolish atheists.

[@kaiserxdd]

@@joannadiaz2954 then how does he defend god if he doesn't know if he exists?

[@stefansmith4313]

​@@joannadiaz2954you're clearly delusional conman hovind doesn't care about truth, he only cares about your money.

[@aaronpannell6401]

​@@joannadiaz2954what athiest says they know everything?

[@joannadiaz2954]

@@aaronpannell6401 they really think they know everything unfortunately.

[@gauravpba]

Inverse square law works with a two body system but earth and moon is not a two body system. There are planets and the sun affecting the orbital mechanics of the moon and earth too.

[@j.gairns]

No evidence for creationism. None, whatsoever.

[@jesseminns]

Kent uses "god of the gaps" constantly and it's very annoying. Kent tries to debunk scientific study and provides no reasonable case for a creator.

[@a_mo__3455]

The thing about Kent is he keeps condescending to Destiny that his evidence for Earth not being 4.5 billion years old is based on "high school level physics." Does he think he can explain astrophysics with a high school education? GTFO here he's full of hot gas (like he pointed out Jupiter is).

[@Powersd451]

And that's assuming Kent even has a highschool level understanding of the science, which he doesn't

[@kakibackup2koujo612]

”Imagine my shock” when Kent couldn’t defend his own non evidence based worldview. Not a fan of desTiny but yeah, he clearly won the debate, although with difficulty and had some trouble with some of Kent fallacious arguments. Overall a ok debate.

[@traditionaltools5080]

"Maybe a round two." So Hovind can say the exact same things for an hour again? So he gets free advertising and legitimization? You can see that Destiny just gets lots in Kens unending rambling. Everything is a jab, propaganda, self promotion and talking points. Maybe next time the moderators can actually moderate. Why do they allow personal attacks, off topic crap, or just a general lack of debate? Mods arent supposed to be "neutral." They are supposed to moderate.

[@jakubholic8769]

He specificaly explained that the speed of the rotation matters, Kent ignores it and still can't get the simplest physics.

[@CptCorcoran]

"Non-partisan platform" censors questions regarding the qualification of one of the participants as "Not relevant" to the topic? Seems pretty relevant to a scientific debate IMO.

[@ThatGuy-ot1gt]

Hovind is one of atheism's greatest proponents. 🤣

[@Gwaithmir]

I don't "believe in" evolution. I accept evolution as a viable scientific theory because it's backed up by overwhelming evidence.

[@bms77]

“Given enuff time anything’s can happen in their mind”. Given enuff magic, anything’s possible in Kent’s worldview

[@johnbrinsmead3316]

wow kent does a great job of demonstrating the difference between facts and information. and wasn't the discussion about evidence for creationism (and an earth that's only 6000 years old)?

[@joelschama1735]

Kent did not teach high school science! He taught Christian science as antithetical as it sounds.

[@bigskye606]

I get that KZbin streams are all about generating money, but it is very frustrating watching excellent questions in the side chat being ignored, for some mundane, simplistic "super chat" questions. It doesn't make putting up with over an hour of Hovind's nonsense worth the time.

[@ModernDayDebate]

Thanks for giving that feedback, BIG SKYE. I'll try to think of how we might solve this issue by maybe adding more time or asking super chats between sections or something else.

[@candorman9444]

@@ModernDayDebate I think a good way to gain more time is to cut people off when they ramble on. Really keep an eye on gish gallops and, for example, Kent going on his scripts about "not teaching evolution in schools because it's a religion" or something. Another important thing to note is that when you say "I know you have another round in the chamber" you are giving off the impression that you know they have a rebuttal. You ought say "I know you'd like to respond but..."

[@aaronnewman8571]

LMAO Kent thinks gravity = magnet. He is the best comedian. I sometimes think he believes th crap he is saying.

[@impala359]

Did Kent say say god never gets tired or sleeps? Does he even read his own bible?

[@fjccommish]

Where in the Bible does it mention God getting tired or sleeping?

[@MMAFreakofNature]

@Police Evil just cause someone is not working doeant mean they are exhausted and cant work longer

[@zacshifler]

Like most things the bible says both.. that God rests and God never rests Psalm 121 God Never slumbers Genesis 2:2 God rested from all his work

[@filoIII]

@Police Evil "he rested on the 7Th day"---To "rest" also means to cease. Doesn't mean God took a nap 'cause He was tuckered out.

[@nero3901]

@@filoIII Bro the old testament was written by countless many people. You don't have to defend every word of it lol

[@mordec1016]

I am a conservative Christian. I really, sincerely believe God exists; the fount of all Being, Consciousness, and value. But I am starting to appreciate Cornel West's phrase that there is something healthy in atheism: at least it clears the board and gets rid of all (religious, at least) idols. It clears the way so that we can start thinking about the true God. Kent's god is one such idol who is threatened by atheism; an idol built entirely on top of a sand castle of 20th century American literalistic fundamentalism, all about dinosaurs coexisting with men and childlike comparisons between whales and mosquitoes. And nothing about the Fount of all Being who would be necessary regardless of evolution; and who would never deceive us so badly as to make all history cohere with a supposedly false theory; and nothing about Jesus' message of unconditional love. I am tired of Hovind's idol.

[@tarqinquentinsson-obviousl957]

Wow... and there I was thinking that this might actually have some intellectual meat to it, but 10 seconds into his opening statement and the Creationist has gone full pepega

[@fjccommish]

Agreed. The evolutionist spouted utter nonsense.

[@juliajaeger8175]

"There's no evidence of any animal turning into another animal." Must have never seen a caterpillar turn into a butterfly.

[@truthmatters6719]

It's the same animal! This happens due to it following the pre-programmed code! No change of kinds whatsoever and no code can program itself.

[@PaulBunyun1954]

Julia.. can you prove to me that your ancestors looked something like this? 🦎🦠🐛🪱.. evolutionists can't prove to me that their ancestors looked similar to this..yet they push hard for people to believe that.🦠🐡🐛🐙

[@xavier84623]

Kent not understanding astronomy was so disgusting.

[@bobow4075]

Why would they get destiny to debate this guy, they need to get actual astronomers

[@Jidom_101]

destiny gets views ig, kinda irresponsible platforming tho

[@fruitbatman1749]

Professor Kunt uses the same 20 year old arguments to NOT prove anything regarding creation. I'm very surprised...

[@Jay-tk1zh]

Kent hovind concerning gravity "i dont know what it is, but id like to find out" I hope the irony of this comment is not lost on people

[@justindunn4223]

Density Law > Gravity Theory

[@Jay-tk1zh]

@@justindunn4223 if I put a metal ball with a density of 7.2 g/ml in water with a density of 1 g/ml what makes the ball fall in water if not gravity? take all the time you need with this

[@ambiverter]

1:02:03 So just with this one statement, Steve was able to render a majority of Kent's argument as ignorant (or deceptive) 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@shuttlemanjack]

And still.... 0 proof for Young Earth Creationism.

[@mariokempes2695]

Kudos Destiny, fantastic job...finally a fast thinking debater

[@MiklRngr]

Destiny should stick with metaphysics. He is absolutely unprepared for a science based debate.

*13:56** I don't trust people who cough in their hands.*

[@timmcclymont3527]

How did I not know this was a thing?!?! Please have both of these guys back on for a round 2

[@justindunn4223]

Both are globers. So, they're both obviously wrong and stupid. Flat earth is true and Christ is King

[@wilts8965]

if I had a dollar for every time hovind says, 'I taught high school science for 15 years'.

[@zen-sean]

He intellectually abused children in a church with no education standards

[@aristotleprovidence7060]

Saying “Even if the earth is billions of years old that doesn’t help you with evolution.” Sorry Kent, but that is the largest portion of your argument.

[@jameywc2]

Let's see how quick the creationist goes to the origin of life which has nothing to do with evolution or age of the earth

[@Bashamo257]

At least he *tried* to appeal to science. He keeps talking about the Inverse-Square law. He claims to have taught physics for many years, there's no way he hasn't heard of multipole moments. Any deviation from perfect spherical symmetry introduces tons of higher-order terms to your physics equations.

[@awdfan2259]

"I don't know what Yawah is"- supposed Christian, Kent Hovind. The moon is only 1 billion years old, therefore the earth is only 6 thousand years old to summarize Kent Hovind.

[@Nostalgicrecollections]

Teaching kids creationism is not the same as “teaching science…” hence why he didn’t like the scholastic question about his phd

[@KGH3000]

Have you seen his dissertation? It opens with, "Hello, my name is Kent Hovind." You can't make this stuff up