"I Was There That Night" - Anthony Huber's Friend Calls Destiny To Clarify

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Anthony Huber's long time friend calls Destiny to clarify and ask questions on Rittenhouse, that night in Kenosha, the trial and more...
Date: 4 Nov, 2021
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@destiny 2 жыл бұрын

Old friend of Anthony Huber reaches out to Destiny to clarify and ask questions. Bonus content ►kzbin.info/door/LOPC6bOBuiSBAJ16JXLAHgvideos

@Smithington_ 2 жыл бұрын

Why are there no timestamps?

@sir-punchalot 2 жыл бұрын

I just think using the gun is cowardly. It used to be you stood for your shit with your fists like a man, but nowadays the first sign of confrontation and the kids run home to get a gun. Midget with a bag isn't life threatening and its not like 4doorsmorewhores was randomly jumped walking home from church.. He traveled to provoke, broke laws to do it, and was recorded fantasizing about shooting rioters with his AR 2wks prior to shooting rioters with his AR

@sexybeast104 2 жыл бұрын

@@sir-punchalot homie this wasn't a 1v1 this was a 1v500

@ahmaudarberywasaviolentkle8094 2 жыл бұрын

🇺🇸 Rittenhouse 2024 🇺🇸

@7even7even43 2 жыл бұрын

You should have asked him why they took no issue with all the rioters with firearms flagging random people, threatening random people and discharging their firearms recklessly. They never bothered to disarm Joshua Zaminsky or the idiot who kept racking his pistol flagging everyone at the gas station. Yet we are suppose to believe that these people all of a sudden turned “righteous” and took issue with 1 guy who wasn’t even the first or last to fire and who was running away? That is beyond absurd.

@critik_l 2 жыл бұрын

The reason they can’t be referred to as “victims” is because this is a self-defense case. Calling them victims assumes Kyle’s guilt.

@SA-gh3fr 2 жыл бұрын

Also they were rioters and terrorists destroying ppls homes properties etc. 🤷🏿‍♂️

@mrspeigle1 2 жыл бұрын

@@SA-gh3fr If the defense could establish that they were in fact Rioters, looters, arsonist et cetera then they could call them that. Is read the entirety of the judge's ruling or don't bother

@NuffxSaid 2 жыл бұрын

Weird how people can't grasp that

@fisharepeopletoo9653 2 жыл бұрын

@@mrspeigle1 Hey whoaaa you need to calm down we just ignore facts that disagree with our narrative these days

@saintthanos3578 2 жыл бұрын

calling them victims assumes they are innocent, in reality they were all there for one reason which is to terrorize the neighborhood, all of them have sadism and violence along with psychopathy in their blood and history, see but unlike in the past where they were picking on easy pray, IE 10 boys under the age of 10 that Rosenb!tch raped, the family members the skateboard guy threw down the stairs, choked and stabbed were always smaller weaker pray, always all of them were picking on smaller weaker targets, prey if you will, this time they fucked around with the wrong one, and lets be real as Bernie Sadners puts it, thats a good thing

@Fabric_Hater 2 жыл бұрын

Not mass attacking people's property is a start to get people to not be so defensive.

@npcimknot958 2 жыл бұрын

100%. Just like why the roof top koreans armed themselves in the la riots. When people are defenceless and no oen is coming to help.. people will be forced to do things to protect their livlihood

@DATWagonator 2 жыл бұрын

It adds even more significance to say that insurance companies do no cover damages from rioting and looting. So THAT is why you have rooftop Koreans, that and not empowering police to do their jobs.

@johnLennon255 2 жыл бұрын

“BUt ThOsE ArE JUsT THingS”

@danporter1176 2 жыл бұрын

Not killing people extra-judiciously is how you don't get mass demonstrations. It's weird how conservatives chant 1776, and then are totally against the concept of civil disobedience as if Americans haven't always done it one way or another. Especially when it's workers and minorities.

@dmike3507 2 жыл бұрын

But it's not legal to point guns at let alone shoot people for damaging property...

@frankmarano1118 2 жыл бұрын

Anthony Hubers girlfriend said in an interview 6 hours ago that he was just trying to stop an active shooter. But we've all seen the video footage & we all know they knew he was no active shooter, he was literally DESPERATELY trying to run towards the police to turn himself in & be under their protection. That's not what an "active shooter" does, he was not shooting anybody random at all. Anthony hubers friend here seems very reasonable & he seems like the only one piercing their echo chambers with some reason. Anthony could've very easily caused someone else's death with the gunfire he caused by hitting kyle with his skateboard

@MTDurkee 2 жыл бұрын

Everyone could have done things differently. But I would argue that in the heat of the moment people lose their ability to think clearly and that's why Anthony thought Kyle was who he thought he was. So as said on the video, I see both sides and see both sides as justified

@evergreenrider 2 жыл бұрын

She also gave Kyle her phone number 😆

@frankmarano1118 2 жыл бұрын

@@MTDurkee Sorry I just saw this. I used to think both sides were justified too until I saw the footage & trial. A massive crowd witnessed Rosenbaum chase him down. They knew it was self defense. Anyone rushing to attack someone as part of a mob when they didnt see what happened firsthand is making a mistake, one that's not justified. Yes there is the heat of the moment but it does not make it right. I think it was an excuse to attack someone who they were at odds with all night & I with tensions of his friends yelling to do something about them (who they considered to be "the bugaloo boys" didnt help. Theyd score some street cred for doing it too He said he was running to the police. They SEE him running to the police? Why not run with him & get him arrested in their minds? No they wanted to attack him before he could make it to the safety of the police line. That's obviously not "justified" or the right thing to do. But still I respect you are coming at this with an open mind to both sides. That is a good thing to do

@frankmarano1118 2 жыл бұрын

@@evergreenrider wait she did? Why??? Lmao

@evergreenrider 2 жыл бұрын

@@frankmarano1118 she did. She seems somewhat reasonable really. Gave it to him if he ever wanted to reach out and speak. Check out the statement she made

@Xaanix73 2 жыл бұрын

They weren't victims, they were assailants. The judge was 100% correct to prevent this.

@bobbybrown4778 2 жыл бұрын

The victim name issue is easily explained in that the ENTIRE trial is trying to determine IF they are victims. If you call them victims from the beginning, then you are removing the whole innocent until proven guilty.

@Swoop187OG187 2 жыл бұрын

It doesn't really matter because there was a video of Kyle taken at the exact moment that AI manipulated picture was taken by the drone and it clearly shows that Kyle WAS NOT pointing a gun at anyone. Not only that but in the states AI manipulated video still - the image portrays Kyle as "pointing" the AR-15 with his left arm, when the whole night he had his gun slung on his right side, because he's right-handed.... So that drone video still image was garbage from the get-go, it should have never been allowed as evidence, not only because it was an AI digitally manipulated image (essentially hearsay via artificial intelligence) but because that exact image/JPEG wasn't produced in discovery.... Look, had that trial not ended in an acquittal - it would have ended in a mistrial after the verdict. I mean there were several points in that trial that the judge could have called a mistrial with prejudice or simple mistrial... Also, I live in the Antioch/Kenosha area, and I was in Kenosha on the first night of riots and it was absolute anarchy, just utter chaos. I went to Kenosha just to see what was going on out of curiosity - I mean I saw a few live streams on youtube and facebook and it looked pretty wild, so I decided to have a look for myself and boy......Peaceful protest my ass - there were fires everywhere, people were looting, people were destroying property, there were rocks flying everywhere - there was NOT ONE "peaceful protester" to be seen, anywhere - it was pure chaos, pure evil - just absolute madness...... And I would say a good 30% of those involved - be it just observing or participating in the riots were open-carrying. I mean I had my pistol concealed and I'm sure I wasn't the only one... So look, I've had it with those whom try to portray riots - like what went down in Kenosha - as "peaceful".. I watched a grown man with tears running down his face with an absolute look of despair as he watched his store get destroyed, and there was nothing anyone could do, as a matter of fact quite a few thought it was funny as this poor guy's livelihood and life's work was totally destroyed in one moment, "but it's only property" right?? NO, it's NOT only property - it's peoples lives, it's their hard work, it's their pride - it's how they pay the bills, it's how they put food on their table and feed their family..... And what did this guy do to anyone? what did he do to deserve that? and these BLM "woke" clowns thought it was funny.. Man the sight of that poor man breaks my heart, even a year+ later -- yet the media portrays these rioting scumbag criminal degenerates as "heroes" and their riots as "peaceful protests"....

@michaelknight2897 2 жыл бұрын

It is SAD that the left didn't focus on prosecutorial misconduct, which I think both the right and the left would have agreed on and worked to combat. Instead, they defaulted to their identity ideology BS. What a wasted opportunity.

@Zac_Blaze 2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelknight2897 it's not about justice anymore. It's about who the left feels offended by. No one even seemed to care that Rosenbaum was saying the N word. No one cared about his crimes toward minors. I try to stay neutral but the left have made it almost impossible to sanely support them. The burning of Kernosha is still a secret. These weren't millionaires businesses or government facilities. It was working class and on the poorer part of town. These people had to put signs on their doors...children live here. There's no rationale or empathy. So if communities don't get exempt from BLM why should anyone care about their cause and why not take up arms run them out of town by force. These people came by bus from far out just to destroy. If there was any sense left in that crowd they would have sided with Kyle. It's media like CNN, TYT, MSNBC and ABC that are responsible. Imagine how much footage of other crimes they're sitting on that's not going public but can exonerate people

@michaelknight2897 2 жыл бұрын

@@Zac_Blaze They have become a puritanical authoritarian identity religion. This is the end result of every identity idealogy in the history of mankind.

@Zac_Blaze 2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelknight2897 say it like it is. Cult.

@v44rgtuy0l3 2 жыл бұрын

I disagree with destiny on alot of politics but he's one of the left leaners who's actually honest about his positions so I'm always willing to listen.

@edwardmcmanus 2 жыл бұрын

I disagree with him on most major political positions but unlike majority on left he can think outwith identity politics and is unusually accurate with his facts.

@towtruckhandbook2895 2 жыл бұрын

I'm clearly on the right but destiny doesn't ignore facts..he just has left opinions so its nice to hear honest left opinions..not bat shit crazy leftist ramblings

@Cal-xq6im 2 жыл бұрын

@@towtruckhandbook2895 who do you think is similar to Destiny from a right perspective? Having trouble finding a right leaning centrist.

@thunderwatch8463 2 жыл бұрын

@@Cal-xq6im its tough to find anyone who is comparable on the Left or Right. There are plenty of center-right internet personalities, but finding someone as intelligent as Destiny is difficult. Perhaps Styxhexenhammer666. He's non-religious, so his opinions are more interesting than most of the Right. Maybe Michael Malice as well. Tim Pool is center-right, imo, but he is really just a bombastic news reporter.

@henryburton6529 2 жыл бұрын

@@thunderwatch8463 As a leftist, Malice surprised me recently on TimCast - I agree he is fairly reasonable and not an ideologue like most from both sides

@JeffNeelzebub 2 жыл бұрын

The whole “he used FMJ bullets” is a dumb argument, because when you say this, you obviously don’t know anything about 5.56/.223. 5.56 FMJ bullets act a lot like hollow points in that they will yaw and fragment in the body, and are not likely to penetrate past a soft body. In fact, you can see that the round shot into Huber never penetrated his body, which pretty much disproved this “FMJ is evil” point.

@marzmarch 2 жыл бұрын

The round fired at Huber was weak/underpowered. That can be heard in the video. And reinforced with the need to use the forward assist afterward. Otherwise a skinny body like Huber’s isn’t much of an obstacle for the caliber. Could have been bad reloads or gun show ammo.

@mrspeigle1 2 жыл бұрын

Let's be honest here the FMJ argument is grasping at straws On the part of the prosecution, If they had been hollow pointsThey would have argued that they were picked so they would be better at killing if they'd been frangibles they would have argued that they were picked so he could hide evidence et cetera. The reason why the prosecution was making the argument is because they were hoping to find the one juror dumb enough to buy what they were selling

@JeffNeelzebub 2 жыл бұрын

@@mrspeigle1 Yep. Sad thing is, they probably found a couple until the other jurors convinced them of the stupidity. Would really like to hear an interview from one of the jurors.

@mrspeigle1 2 жыл бұрын

@@JeffNeelzebub I suspect if any of them were going to give an interview they would have done so by now. Way too much heat on those folks and they'd probably prefer to disappear into obscurity while they have the opportunity

@blakek2619 2 жыл бұрын

@@mrspeigle1 I've been told multiple times that colorful guns, skull logos, "zombie killer" ammo etc will all be brought up in court/used against you if your self defense case goes that far. Kyle's set up was super basic and just imagine if it was tacti-cool

@Steven-rn1oo 2 жыл бұрын

Destiny, the psychic medium, shocks everybody by talking to Anthony Huber's ghost.

@lanfrancoadreani9212 2 жыл бұрын

I Always believed that Vaush would have been the first to roll his eyes and start to speak tongues on stream.

@JB-ue6lf 2 жыл бұрын

@@lanfrancoadreani9212 lol

@willteslasofficialchannel3968 2 жыл бұрын

Jesus this was edgy lmao

@Steven-rn1oo 2 жыл бұрын

For context the description said destiny talks to Anthony Huber before it was fixed.

@Tekner436 2 жыл бұрын

@@lanfrancoadreani9212 Vaush would probably be trying to contact underage girls

@misarthim6538 2 жыл бұрын

The hollow point vs FMJ is such a red herring. If Rittenhouse used hollow point (which does exist for 5.56 but it's not really widely used), the prosecution will argue that he used 'bullets designed to kill' as they do in every case where those are used.

@orkinho1 2 жыл бұрын

And had he shot warning shot they would be charging him with that, even tho the prosecution implied he should have. What a joke.

@nicholasrogers8173 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@XnxxD 2 жыл бұрын

I agree, but Kyle actually used .233 if I am not mistaken?

@jth_printed_designs 2 жыл бұрын

Especially when you consider how 5.56/.223 performs out of a 16" barrel at point blank range. FMJ will reliably fragment in a body at that range and will not overpenetrate. If you have followed the trial 2 of the 4 rounds that were fired at Rosenbaum didnt exit his body, and the Huber shot didnt exit his body. Rifle rounds =/= pistol rounds and hollow point vs FMJ in terms of a .223/5.56 round at point blank range is fairly irrelevant.

@felixchien1664 2 жыл бұрын

I agree the prosecution was flailing wildly and hoping something would stick. But the argument there was "recklessly endangering others" because he used FMJ which would penetrate the intended targets and potentially hit others. However, it didnt seem Kyle knew the difference between hollow points and fmj. It's understood that hollow points are used to reduce collateral damage

@sunkillsmoon 2 жыл бұрын

Gauge was not trying to stop an active shooter! He talked to Kyle and Kyle said he was going to the police !! If he was an active shooter , Kyle would have just blasted gauge for running up on him the first time !!

@shorton050980 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly! Gauge is just a shit person all around. He also stated his only regret was not emptying his clip into Kyle. Sounds like a standup guy to me! 🙄

@barneystinson2781 2 жыл бұрын

It's even worse. He said he misheard kyle and believed he said he was working for the police and still tried to kill him.

@LordThranduil234 2 жыл бұрын

@@barneystinson2781 I loved the side track Gauge went down where he said that he thought kyle was working for the police because the police had a plot to drive the protesters into the militia and kill them all or something.

@towtruckhandbook2895 2 жыл бұрын

@@LordThranduil234 I do think kyle tried to shoot him when gauge said he did.. otherwise why did look at his bolt

@nevesseven1656 2 жыл бұрын

@@towtruckhandbook2895 He pushed the forward assist only and was able to fire without pulling the charging handle which means he didn't previously pull the trigger. Had he pulled the trigger and it didn't fire and then he looked at his bolt then pushed the forward assist he would have needed to then pull the charging handle to reset the trigger ejecting a round to reset the trigger so it proves he didn't pull the trigger with a misfire like Guage tried to claim.

@SilverBioWolf 2 жыл бұрын

Anthony Hubers friend is actually pretty clear headed and having a clear line of thought that you can follow for what he says.

@DannyBoy777777 2 жыл бұрын

@Silver BioWolf A shame it didn't rub off.

@MTDurkee 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I was severely intoxicated to calm my nerves

@JamieD1298 2 жыл бұрын

@@MTDurkee ok

@Skullivander 2 жыл бұрын

@@MTDurkee good man

@Ridistrict 2 жыл бұрын

I'm actually shocked that this guy is this laid back. I was expecting some crazy hot take but damn that was a pleasant discussion.

@13enwarner 2 жыл бұрын

Honestly this is the most good faith conversation I've seen about this Rittenhouse case. I don't disagree with a lot of what this kid brought up and he had some good questions.

@Drainy1986 2 жыл бұрын

Bad faith about the 'I did?!??' moment. It was obviously not an admission to guilt to any who listened to it.

@strangelitgirl 2 жыл бұрын

I totally agree

@Drainy1986 2 жыл бұрын

@redxpen 4:55

@PrimoPete 2 жыл бұрын

I feel like he was asking Kyle to have so many ethical considerations for being there and expected high level decision making from him in short time frames when the same can be expected from the other side as well. Maybe it stems from his belief that the initial reasoning for the protests were just.

@stevewall7044 2 жыл бұрын

Might have been in good FACE, but he was mistaken so many times. Kyle did not answer sarcastically in court, Kyle reacted sarcastically to a rioter accusing him. Also, it is instigators that transform a protest into a riot, it is not being moved that sparks the fire.

@dwarvenminer3329 2 жыл бұрын

His voice is fucking with my mind so much, I thought he was 18 but he says he's 29

@BattieGames 2 жыл бұрын

Kinda sounds like Andy milonakis

@dezkightz 2 жыл бұрын

@@BattieGames Very much so. Perfect comparison

@Eric808z 2 жыл бұрын

does your voice even change much after the age of 18?

@dezkightz 2 жыл бұрын

@@Eric808z I think it does, if you like smoke a lot it might have an effect on your voice after a while and I think as you get older some of your tissue becomes weaker no? So it wouldn't be a stretch to say that as you get older your voice COULD change. Can't say so definitively since its so variable.

@tmzz3609 2 жыл бұрын

This "hunter" and "gun owner" saying Kyle doesn't know anything about guns is hilarious. Full Metal Jacket is not a piercing ammunition. It is standard cheapest ammo you can get. It is range ammo. "Self Defense Ammo" is not designed to stop in your target. It is designed to expand inside the target for a more deadly wound. It is literally designed to kill. Hollow points or soft tips fired out of a rifle will almost always go through a human target. Open cup hollow points also have a tendency to clog with fabric from clothing. Full metal jacket are absolutely self defense rounds if used in self defense. FMJ is not Light Armor Piercing (LAP). Military Codes M-193(Full metal Jacket) this is the militarys main ammunition. Rittenhouse used the nearly identical 223 cartridge and exactly identical bullet. If you ask for 556/223 at a gun store, this is what you are getting. M-855(Light Armor Piercing)- Designed with a green steel tip. You can still find this at most gun stores. Even though this "piercing" ammo the military has found it to be highly effective against human targets as the bullet tends to tumble after making contact and transfers more energy on target and it is more accurate at distance. This is basically a FMJ with a steel tip. M955-( Armor Piercing)-This is absolutely a piercing round that will do go straight through every soft target. FMJ and LAP rounds are lead core. Lead is soft. M995 bullets have a tungsten core instead of lead. This is designed to go thru hard targets and will absolutely go though many soft targets. Hollow Point ammo is literally banned under the Geneva conventions......... And this gun expert wants to send a kid to prison for defending himself with the exact same ammo the military uses under the Geneva convention......... All ammunition designed to expand is banned. FMJ is range ammunition. FMJ is self defense ammunition. FMJ is military ammunition. FMJ is hunting ammunition. FMJ is 90% of the ammo at any gun store. If you are triggered that I said FMJ is hunting ammunition........ You are just a bad shot. Some people don't need expanding ammunition to bring down a deer by blowing a hole into it's rear quarter and dig copper and lead out of perfectly good meat. A shot straight thru the heart or lungs will bring a deer down quicker and I don't have to worry about swallowing a piece of that "hunting ammo" that broke apart into chunks of copper and smashed lead.

@kenbowser5622 2 жыл бұрын

Hollow points are MUCH WORSE damage wise. Imagine a 7mm mag being used.

@michaelknight2897 2 жыл бұрын

You are spot on. FMJ is cheap and the ballistic are pretty consistent these days which is why it's so common.

@TheHockey991 2 жыл бұрын

I didn't know Kyle used .223, if anything That's more evidence that his intent was not to cause the most damage but to buy the cheapest ammo. Maybe it was some steel case Tula ammo 😂.

@TruthNotRelative 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheHockey991 Ya but, but.. but Kyle used scary “FULL METAL BULLETS”. Ya that’s literally word for word what one of the talking heads said after the verdict. He said this like they were miniature grenades that are designed to explode after seeking out the heart muscle and embedding themselves in it. But I agree with him, anyone who “crosses state lines!” needs to see the inside of the gas chamber.

@TheHockey991 2 жыл бұрын

@@TruthNotRelative Me shaking in my apartment that the ATF is going to confiscate my scary "full metal jacket" ammo

@WhoDaresWinso7 2 жыл бұрын

Defense filed a mistrial just now because the defense was sent a compressed video and the jury saw the HD version. Also the prosecution knew who jumpkick man was but wouldn't let him testify because he wanted immunity for his other felonies.

@Pincuishin 2 жыл бұрын

I mean dont forget all the violations of constitutional rights.

@rrchy. 2 жыл бұрын

@@Pincuishin its not rlly a constitutional right to defend yourself from danger you created tbh

@lordmctheobalt 2 жыл бұрын

@@rrchy. he's talking about the 5th amendment violations

@MrRazmut 2 жыл бұрын

@@rrchy. 5th amendment was violated

@lanfrancoadreani9212 2 жыл бұрын

Source? can't find anything on the internet

@DreadlordMik 2 жыл бұрын

This guy is 29?! From his voice, I thought he was 13.

@nbdxSkywalker 2 жыл бұрын

Mentally he’s about 13

@sally2395 2 жыл бұрын

@@nbdxSkywalker it was a rough listen

@kollumthirteen 2 жыл бұрын

Not sure it’s a “guy”

@elruffian163 2 жыл бұрын

Rekieta law has done the best coverage of the trial with a bunch of lawyers calling what's working and not between sides plus the jokes on binger are hilarious.

@MTDurkee 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for having me on Destiny, I really Appreciated the Conversation. To Clarify somethings: I was very very nervous in this conversation. Yes I am 29 If anyone wants anything answered, I'll Answer whatever I can here.

@jimazing1 2 жыл бұрын

I agree with your takes on the situation, but I gotta say I’m doubting you were super close with Huber. If you were, your pretty savage dude. I’m 30, and anyone I’ve kept up a friendship since HS with isn’t someone I would shit on, even if they died by there own dumb decisions. I’m guessing you probably went to the same high school and that’s about it. Thanks for giving your take on the situation as a local who was present though. Also StarCraft sucks, WC3 customs maps 4 life

@dereksmith6713 2 жыл бұрын

@@jimazing1 then where do you draw the line? At what point are the actions of a friend crazy enough to warrant having an objective opinion in hindsight. Mob mentality can fill an individual with adrenaline causing them to act in ways they normally wouldn’t. I can see both sides of this mess and understand why it played out like it did. There are many lessons to learn from this tragedy. Number one, riots are dangerous and will likely result in several participants getting severe injuries or even death. Number two if you find yourself in a situation where a mob of angry people are against you, gtfo immediately. Or if you realize you are with the mob of people be very careful because you have implicated yourself with the crimes said mob commits (see the Jan 6 cases). Number three, when a man had a rifle strapped to his chest you should steer clear of him and most definitely never try to take it from him.

@MTDurkee 2 жыл бұрын

@@jimazing1 me and him were best friends for 10yrs with a few breaks here and there. I did show destiny a lot of private conversations and photos between me Anthony and Anthony's gf. From 2012 up to a month before his death.

@scubamanbrian1518 2 жыл бұрын

@DoYy If you were being chased down by a group of people yelling “get his ass” and you were hit from behind while running away from that group of people, would you fear for your life if you fell to the ground? Would you at least fear that great bodily injury to your own body might occur?

@jimazing1 2 жыл бұрын

@@MTDurkee My fault for doubting you. Sorry you lost your bud.

@Lady_de_Lis 2 жыл бұрын

A rape case never has the possibility of a self defense justification. Ever. A rapist, caught on video raping someone, is not able to get away with it by saying, "But it was self defense!" No, dude. A rape case is ENTIRELY different. Not comparable at all. If the defense is making the case that a murder was committed out of self defense, then yes, the term "victim" is in dispute. The entire trial is to determine if the one who was shot was a victim or an aggressor.

@fartface5172 2 жыл бұрын

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure he was talking about the person threatened with being rape

@yessum15 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's what the word "alleged" is for genius. Eliminating the ability to use the word victim is just as prejudicial as mandating it. Furthermore, even if you _are_ the aggressor and the shooting _is_ justified, you are still the "victim" of a shooting because the bullets ended up inside you. That's how English works. For example "Stan violently grabbed her attempting to forcibly have his way with her, unwittingly falling victim to her deadly martial arts." "Victim" does not automatically ascribe moral or legal culpability. It simply describes a factual condition of injured vs injuring party. If the judge was genuinely concerned about prejudice he should have either instructed counsel to use the term "alleged", instructed the jury not to take the word "victim" as ascribing legal or moral culpability, or just shut his mouth like every other judge would do because they know this argument is nonsense. Sure, we can literally refer to the victims as "criminals" (rioters/looters) without them even having a trial but we must not even suggest the possibility they might be alleged victims despite the fact that they are literally definitionally shooting victims. Imbecile.

@Lady_de_Lis 2 жыл бұрын

@@yessum15 First of all, it is very common to disallow the use of the word victim in criminal trials. It's been done long before this trial ever came along. No one ever cared until now because people have let their politics cloud their thinking. No other reason. Using the term victim basically admits that a crime has been committed from the get go. And most trials are for the purpose of a jury determining whether a crime was or was not committed. So the use of that term defeats the purpose of the trial. Secondly, the use of the words "looter" and "rioter" etc was only allowed if the defense could back it up with significant evidence. They couldn't just use those terms without substantiating them. Furthermore, unlike Kyle Rittenhouse, the people being accused of being looters or rioters etc were not on trial. That jury had no say at all in those people's guilt or innocence under the law. So they were not at any risk being put in prison or facing any other legal punishment just because of the type of language the lawyers use. Therefore, calling them "looters" or "rioters" etc does not have any real effect except to provide context in Kyle's case. That's it. If any of those people ever are put on trial for their crimes, then their own jury likely would not be hearing any words like "looter" or "rioter" or "arsonist" etc. For the reason that those labels would be exclusively for the jury to decide at the end of the trial, not the lawyers or the judge. And any victims of the riots/lootings/arson/etc would likely not be called victims during the trial either for the same reason.

@Lady_de_Lis 2 жыл бұрын

@@fartface5172 He was describing a hypothetical situation where a woman's rape had been captured on video, and he wondered if the judge would disallow the word victim in that case, too. And in that situation, there is no dispute that the woman in question is a victim. As long as the video very clearly displays the woman's identity, at least. But probably even when it's not clear.

@yessum15 2 жыл бұрын

@@Lady_de_Lis Has it been done before? Yes. Is it common? No. There has been virtually unanimous agreement that this is a pretty rare policy, and Judge Shroeder himself has openly admitted that his stance is uncommon. Stop lying. Calling them criminals absolutely has an effect if the defendant's entire defense is claiming self defense against said "criminals." Stop being silly. "If the defense can prove it" is a meaningless statement if there is no criminal trial, no opportunity for the evidence to be challenged, and no defense afforded to the excused. You haven't "proved" anything. Yet you are fine labeling them with a term that objectively, unambiguously classifies these individuals as criminals. This influences the the jury and the course of the trial infinitely more than the comparatively benign use of the *legally neutral* term victim or alleged victims. Victim is a legally neutral term. Rioter and looter is not. Yet you're willing to accept one term without conclusive proof without the accepting the other. Despite knowing that calling the victims criminals is more likely to sway the jury than calling them "alleged victims". Stop trying to launder your own biases through the thin veneer of rational analysis while hypocritically accusing others of doing the same.

@jonathansnow8222 2 жыл бұрын

The pointing the gun sarcastic admission was about "yellow pants man" the problem with the prosecution narrative on that is they made the claim that he pointed the gun at yellow pants man which was provocation, but they offered no proof that A) he actually pointed the gun at him and B) the statement wasn't a sarcastic remark. They could have easily found yellow pants man and got him to testify that Kyle aimed his gun on him but they didn't. So the value of the statement, sarcastic or otherwise, and question of if he did point the gun, was circumstantial at best. The prosecution has burden of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that Kyle did not shot all three men in self defense. No one who actually watched the trial or even all the videos can say this wasn't self defense. The people who think it's murder haven't seen the trial and are motivated by ideology and bias. The notion that he could have kept running away from Rausenbalm between the cars is wrong. There was a large group of people with weapons smashing cars directly behind where he had to shoot Rausenbalm. The fact of the matter is, Rausenbalm caused all of this. And it's his fault the other acted. Hollow point bullets cause far more damage to a body than full metals do. Hollow points expand and essentially liquefy everything in their path. The idea that he chose his bullets with the intent to use them knowing that when he shoots someone he would be able to get multiple people when a bullet goes through someone. The ok symbol isn't racist. It was a meme on the internet meant to make the media look ridiculous and it worked, seeing as people still think it's a racist symbol. This trial was 100% political. This was the most clear cut case of self defense but because the media when to work that night to frame it as a white supremacist killing black people. The media profits off riots, and racial tensions. And they saw this as a money maker. You're fooling yourself if you think this was anything else

@georgeh8937 2 жыл бұрын

the Ziminskis, Josh and Kelly provocated the entire incident. Rittenhouse just got a phone call to bring a fire extinguisher to one of the three car lots owned by the Khindiri brothers. Somehow Rosenbaum spots him and ducks behind some cars. A few seconds later Josh Ziminski confronts Rittenhouse. Rittenhouse looks behind and see Rosenbaum running at him. Rittenhouse drops the fire extinguisher and runs. Josh fires his pistol and Kelly yells to the mob "get him". At this point Rittenhouse hasn't shot anybody so there is zero reason to send the protesters after him. The prosecutor didn't want to bring the Ziminskis to testify when it would make the events of that night easy to understand.

@bandit6272 2 жыл бұрын

Good points and summary. Pretty much agree across the board.

@kenbowser5622 2 жыл бұрын

Yellow pants man refused to testify because the da wouldn't drop charges against him in return for his testimony. Musnt of been much good.

@jonathansnow8222 2 жыл бұрын

The prosecution in this trial wanted to win, they didn't want justice. The way ada fat kraus fought to keep the gun charge in the instructions knowing the gun wasn't short barreled and at 17 rittenhouse qualified for the exception, was a perfect example of how they didn't care that it was clearly self defense, they only cared about winning. They tried to convict the kid on something they knew he wasn't guilty of. That's the definition of malicious prosecution. They lied about knowing who jump kick man was, they sent an altered version of the drone footage to the defense, and they both lied in the closing argument and their rebuttal. This is common for DAs, they know they have to campaign to keep their jobs and getting convictions in high profile cases gets votes so they cheat. Kamala Harris was one of the worst for that.

@bandit6272 2 жыл бұрын

@@jonathansnow8222 Kraus? You mean "Fatlock"? Lol

@elementaesthetique 2 жыл бұрын

This is so weird to me how he describes the school being smashed and graffitied as “peaceful protesting”.. where I live, the MINUTE property damage starts, the protest is legally declared an ILLEGAL RIOT by the policeover loud speakers, and everyone is pig-penned and arrested, put on police busses and driven out to the furthest possible police station from downtown for processing. Almost always the rioting charges are dropped, but they still arrest EVERYONE as soon as it gets declared a riot. I went to anti-police brutality protests all my teenage years and NONE of them were ever allowed to last until nightfall. Some of them were declared riots within minutes of having started.

@XSpamDragonX 2 жыл бұрын

People hate it but this is the best way for things to happen. The disappointment of having your protest ended after somebody decides to break the law, is far outweighed by not just property damage, but the likelihood of individuals to turn to violence in the atmosphere of a riot is just not worth the risk of trying to contain the rioting and allow the protest to continue.

@elenhin 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. In any civilized society it would not be accepted at all. However society seems to become less civil logical and humane by the hour the longer wokeness rules it.

@chrisd4169 2 жыл бұрын

@@elenhin stop watching Jordan Peterson

@elenhin 2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisd4169 thx for proving my point!

@evaahh9584 2 жыл бұрын

@@XSpamDragonX I disagree, this is way too open for the police sending someone in, smashing a window and then ending the protest. Pen the rioters, but nothing else.

@BillyTheBranco1 2 жыл бұрын

Rittenhouse wasn't being sarcastic in court. He admitted to being sarcastic to a person that said he pointed a gun to them. Why do people get this mixed up?

@fartface5172 2 жыл бұрын

It amazed me how everybody just takes yellow pants at his word. Especially considering how he was holding concrete chunks and that just gets glossed over

@bliztix2 2 жыл бұрын

He also told a lady “I love you” after she told told them to F off

@itkojecockot 2 жыл бұрын

they don't get it mixed up...... it's intentional

@zip1233 2 жыл бұрын

they're dishonest and want to have anything they can to justify vilifying Kyle

@kalikombatives3608 2 жыл бұрын

I love how people are running with the “ammo type” argument like it’s the end all be all. Up until this shooting Hollowpoints we’re vilified as murder bullets or cop killer bullets.

@markzuckergecko621 2 жыл бұрын

They've run with about 10 different things, and whenever it's been thoroughly beaten into the ground, they just pivot to a new stupid talking point and run with that. None of which had anything to do with Kyle actually being guilty of murder, because he's not. My personal favorite is the "crossed state lines" thing, it makes absolutely no sense. I mean, I get what they're trying to do, they're trying to make it seem like he travelled some long distance with the explicit intention of causing trouble. But it's just sooooooo, so, sooooooooooo, stupid. And they can't let it go.

@muskepticsometimes9133 2 жыл бұрын

Zactly

@scubamanbrian1518 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly! In the military we are actually banned from using that type of ammo because of the damage it does for small arms gunfire.

@kalikombatives3608 2 жыл бұрын

@@scubamanbrian1518 I thought it was a Geneva convention thing. Either way it’s such a smooth brain argument. If he ran HP or even Soft Points, they’d say he carried that ammo because he intended on killing that day. Same thing if he ran Green Tips. They will shape their case any way they can to try to turn this obvious case of Self Defense into a murder.

@scubamanbrian1518 2 жыл бұрын

@@kalikombatives3608 you’re definitely right there. I would rather be shot with green tips any day there a hollow point round. If Rittenhouse had been firing hollow points, there’s no doubt in my mind that the prosecutor would use that as evidence that Rittenhouse was there to cause undue suffering.

@shorton050980 2 жыл бұрын

I'm worried about the jury being threatened into a decision. We've already watched things like this go down in this country and it only will get worse. The moment you cannot promise the protection of the jury is the moment you lose justice.

@veebeeTV 2 жыл бұрын

I am from the future to tell you do not be afraid, justice will prevail

@RatsoMan20 2 жыл бұрын

How anyone right leaning leans more left now is hard to believe I was pro dem until I started watching both sides of the news. Every month pushes me more right dems use to seem reasonable but fuck the right took over that position and the left are nuts

@Ka_Gg 2 жыл бұрын

In the 2000s, most of my family voted Democrat. I even voted for Obama the first time around. I will never vote for a Democrat again. They have gone so far off the deep end.

@Grimmwalt 2 жыл бұрын

No, the issue with Rittenhouse's sarcasm is that the prosecute knows that the tone with which Rittenhouse said "I did" cannot be recorded in the record only the words. Rittenhouse's story was consistent but the prosecutor tried to play games with his words which is why he tried to pivot into that 'ecodence' that the judge disallowed in the pretrial hearing.

@mwellnow5016 2 жыл бұрын

@@realdeterminatus it is lmao

@dmike3507 2 жыл бұрын

Rittenhouse was not consistent in his testimony... he was caught in lies and admitted to lying on camera several times.

@saltyark7564 2 жыл бұрын

Dmike smh, why you lie? He wouldn’t purposely lie on the stand, it’s easy to get things confused and for the prosecutor to try and twist words, that doesn’t make kyle a liar. Like with the whole.. Kyle saying “I did” … he did say “I Did” but he said it as a question, as in “I did?…” him then Saying he “didn’t” isn’t him lying or changing his testimony.

@Blizz3112 2 жыл бұрын

Anthony Huber is likely the only guy who really didn't know the situation and paid the price for that... aka, people should never EVER go try to be a hero when your opponent is armed with a gun (unless you have no way out)… it is basically suicide...

@Iconcupiscence 2 жыл бұрын

afaik his girlfriend told him not to but he ignored her to try and be a hero - but instead he an heroed

@Rahab111222 2 жыл бұрын

Just seemed like Huber tried to kill Kyle because he thought Kyle was a Trumper. Just like Michael Reinoehl.

@gaussminigun 2 жыл бұрын

@@Iconcupiscence lmaooooo

@stevepalpatine2828 2 жыл бұрын

The events of that nights shooting and everyone that was shot are the fault of the chomo Rosenbaum. If he hadn't been trying to touch a minor again without consent (a minor he legally wasn't allowed within 100ft of unsupervised as he was an SO) no one would have been killed.

@matthewsmith2979 2 жыл бұрын

Huber wasn't the type to be a hero. Look at his criminal past

@pepepolitic6991 2 жыл бұрын

Why do so many people think "he shouldn't be there" is a solid argument for losing your right to self-defense?

@Bai_Su_Zhen 2 жыл бұрын

Because people are braindead. They don't give a fuck what actually happened, they just think that in order to support BLM cause and be truly leftist, they are obligated to defend every single BLM rioter as well.

@OsefKincaid 2 жыл бұрын

Because it is. If self-defense is just about your life being threatened, then if I want to kill someone it's super easy for me to get away with it, all I have to do is create circumstances where I'm threatened. Any case for self-defense will look at whether your behavior matches with your claim. But of course this discussion isn't really about self-defense a lot of the time, since a bunch of people are just very happy that protesters get killed. They might say "It was self-defense" but what they mean is "I'm glad these fucks are dead and I don't care about the circumstances". When you're dealing with cowards who don't give their real arguments, it's hard to have productive conversations.

@ackermanlol 2 жыл бұрын

Beause it might imply he went there to find an opportunity to cause violence?

@mikecurry6847 2 жыл бұрын

I don't think this argument was made in this video but ok

@onewildandcrazyguy9213 2 жыл бұрын

When people say he shouldn't be there. Nobody should've been there

@the-renegade 2 жыл бұрын

_Previously on the Rittenhouse Arc..._ What's up, early people? 😝

@axelbouvet5316 2 жыл бұрын

Instantly into my fucking feed! You love to see it!

@hoopmooy3543 2 жыл бұрын

instantly shot that load into my face

@AFatalPapercut 2 жыл бұрын

The "trying to stop an active shooter" thing was dumb to say then and is even dumber to claim now that it's literally been destroyed in court. wanting your dead bf to be a hero doesn't mean he was.

@nonexheavier9987 2 жыл бұрын

yeah i live in Kenosha and they are boarding up already

@martthesling 2 жыл бұрын

Stay safe brother. I hope you have peace and love.

@nonexheavier9987 2 жыл бұрын

@@martthesling thank you I appreciate it. I’m hoping for the best.

@markzuckergecko621 2 жыл бұрын

@@EsotericOccultist that damn Amish Mafia.

@sameash3153 2 жыл бұрын

@@EsotericOccultist we get it already, give the dogwhistles a break, this is like the third time you've made this stupid comment

@jackchai2460 2 жыл бұрын

As much as I like watching Destiny destroy disingenuous people/people acting in bad faith/people experiencing psychosis, this civil and productive discussion was a really nice refresher because they actually talked about things in constructive and thoughtful manner. :)

@BouncinBrandon 2 жыл бұрын

But that's why it's only 38 minutes, the bloodbaths are never under an hour

@bbirdie9226 2 жыл бұрын

Yea, and he lost his friend dude. The guy deserves some credit

@NoNameNo.5 2 жыл бұрын

“Don’t believe your eyes! Believe what I felt!”

@cyborgrat 2 жыл бұрын

-Mindless leftist

@happymuffin2673 2 жыл бұрын

I've watched every second of this trial and from my point of view this is one the clearest examples of self defense in resent years. We can keep arguing until the cows come home but that doesn't change the fact that there are NOT enough evidence to find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. In my honest opinion it was wrong to bring this case to trial in the first place and the only reason why there is no verdict yet is because the jury is afraid of future riots....

@Uncompletedrecall 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but the fact that this scenario played out as it did with a 17 yr old and is seen by many in the US as legal, justified is just sooo fucked up compared to the ROTW, especially in the west..I mean, you guys have been living in a Call of Duty country now for so long you don't even recognize how fucking crazy it is.

@Uncompletedrecall 2 жыл бұрын

@@Name-cz5jj Which is my whole point. It's also legal for energy companies to poison the water and air. SMH.

@alexbrewer3675 2 жыл бұрын

It was brought to trial by a radical leftist DA in order to crush 2A. The plan was to send a clear message to law abiding citizens that you have no right to defend your person or property. Just another communist ploy. Glad it failed.

@allstarr9tc 2 жыл бұрын

@@Uncompletedrecall its fucked up that the legal actions are seen as legal...? its fucked up that defending yourself from people attacking you while youre retreating is justified...? Most Americans dont experience anything even remotely close to something like this, youre really exaggerating on this call of duty country bs.

@gosblowup3044 2 жыл бұрын

Aw. When he asked Destiny the answer to the trillion dollar question, he genuinely hoped for an answer. He's going through so many complicated thoughts and emotions with the death of his friend and this ridiculous trial surrounding it. I hope he has a great support system.

@pryboy2527 2 жыл бұрын

The gun pointing thing with that pixel issue. If Kyle aimed the gun at that point he would have had to take the strap off his shoulder, aim the gun with non-dominant side, and then switch it again while running from Rosenbaum and when you watch him running he doesnt make that motion to switch it back at any point. Its physically impossible with how tight he had that strap against him for that switch to be made unnoticed.

@StreetsNeedIt 2 жыл бұрын

This arc is fucking crazy. Destiny might as well been in Kenosha that night.

@Kloutkulture 2 жыл бұрын

Youngest sounding 29 year old ever.

@MTDurkee 2 жыл бұрын

I sound 18, I look 18. But I am definitely born in 92

@The2012Aceman 2 жыл бұрын

People who broke curfew to riot: “But was Kyle supposed to be there?” Praising Gaige: “He was willing to go out there that night with medical experience and a gun to help people out during protests; what a swell guy.” (Doesn’t this describe Kyle?)

@LeonBelmont1000 2 жыл бұрын

@@sluxi I could be wrong about the US, but you do need to have certification of first aid/CPR for lifeguard work, at least where I'm at.

@MrRazmut 2 жыл бұрын

@@LeonBelmont1000 Having done a first aid course and being an emergency medical technician is QUITE a bit different though to be fair

@DerpMuse 2 жыл бұрын

@@LeonBelmont1000 ilfeguarding at a public pool just requires a BATcard. It's just CPR class which takes a 45 minute course to get. I got it in 7th grade as part of PE. You have to take the class every year when the card expires. Thats all thats required when Lifeguarding for a public pool. Working as a city Lifeguard requires actual certification training as an EMT or first aid equivalent certificate. Point being, while both jobs are considered being a lifeguard, one is much more involved with the training involved. Similar to Chiropractors/Dentists calling themselves the "Doctor" title. a Medical Doctor is a very different kind of Doctor.

@LeonBelmont1000 2 жыл бұрын

@@MrRazmut Absolutely. I wasn't trying to suggest that he is a fully certified medical professional, if that's how it came off.

@jonasstrzyz2469 2 жыл бұрын

@@sluxi If Kyle would have received proper medical training and waited a few months - that it would have been perfectly fine and charges would never not bee filed?

@jameslandsverk3453 2 жыл бұрын

His example of militia is not really relative to the situation. He said they were basically acting like a checkpoint protecting a neighborhood. This would have them away from the riots, it's almost like they were not militia, but concerned home owners protecting there homes.

@herewegoagain8408 2 жыл бұрын

How am I this early for a video this juicy. My condolences for your friend if you see this guy

@MathewDRhys 2 жыл бұрын

This is a great interview. I really appreciated it

@bbirdie9226 2 жыл бұрын

What a cool guy! I’m sorry he lost his friend

@alexbrewer3675 2 жыл бұрын

Tell you what, Huber's friend. No-one on Kyle's side has any issue with peacefully protesting the verdict. But the message is clear : fuck with our community, homes, livelyhood and find out. You don't get to burn our shit and terrorize our neighbourhoods any more.

@arthurporter131 2 жыл бұрын

This person’s laugh sounds exactly like the person’s who drunkenly argued with Destiny about Gudgill saying shit like “I AM Omaha!” 😂 this person is much cooler tho

@MrAskmannen 2 жыл бұрын

Bruh that person was even more deranged than Vivian Though not as deranged as Ana xd

@whiskeyORdie 2 жыл бұрын

I don't really listen to you, but I do appreciate the honest conversation. Especially with someone who was there and has first hand account of what happened. I also appreciate this guys honesty.

@nocuh 2 жыл бұрын

An oasis of reasonable among the desert madlands

@punchout2418 2 жыл бұрын

I think it's kinda funny how people accuse Kyle of being a wanna be vigilante when that's exactly what Huber and blown bicep guy we're trying to be when they got shot.

@SuperSecretAgentNein 2 жыл бұрын

You don’t think there’s a difference between showing up somewhere with a rifle hoping to blow some people away, and trying to actively protect your friends and loved ones from a possibly active shooter?

@punchout2418 2 жыл бұрын

@@SuperSecretAgentNein You're making an assumption that Kyle's intentions were to blow people away. There is more evidence pointing towards Kyle wanting to protect his community and prevent chaos rather than him just wanting to blow people away. If he just wanted to blow people away I believe he would have shot more people than just the ones who attacked him. There also would be more evidence of him brandishing the firearm and antagonizing the rioters. The two people who attacked Kyle after he shot Rosenbaum we're indeed attempting to give some vigilante justice. It's kinda understandable though because after Kyle shot Rosenbaum they thought they were dealing with an active shooter. I just think it's funny that the people accusing Kyle of seeking vigilante justice can't acknowledge that Gaige and Huber's attempts at vigilante justice is what got them shot.

@punchout2418 2 жыл бұрын

@Don There's a reason Kyle was singled out by that low life pedophile. He didn't mess with the guys with guns who were much older and actually part of a militia. Even the guys from the militia said Kyle looked out of place there. Rosenphile singled Kyle out because he has a hankering for young boys and he thought he could over power him. That's all beside the point. Your argument doesn't hold up because if that were true all the other people there with guns would have gotten into violent confrontations.

@IIINEMESESII 2 жыл бұрын

@Don most times the sight of a man with a gun is enough of a reason to not start shit. funny kyle DID NOT bring extra ammo or magazines. he GAVE AWAY his body armor to a friend and then got medical supplies. he also walked around helping the people who got hurt and protected some property. the person seeking violent confrontation was rosenbaum threatning to kill someone if they see him alone.

@punchout2418 2 жыл бұрын

@Don The jury has reached a verdict. If you're still asking questions you obviously didn't watch the entire trial or you are so biased you have failed to see the big picture and look at it from both sides. I'm not thrilled about the verdict in the Ahmed Arbery trial, however, when I look at it from both sides I believe the Jury made the right decision.

@CNNBlackmailSupport 2 жыл бұрын

The guy said "You just pointed your gun at me!" And Kyle said "Sure, whatever, man. I totally pointed my gun at you. Anyway, Bye." That's what sarcastically saying it looks like.

@RealTaIk 2 жыл бұрын

Kinda funny how he blames the police for escalating the situation while the protesters were damaging property and therefore breaking law, requiring the police to do something :D

@itkojecockot 2 жыл бұрын

well, you have to remember...... they are always the "peaceful protesters" :D:D I mean, what SCREAMS a "peaceful protester" more than hitting someone over his head with a skateboard

@RealTaIk 2 жыл бұрын

@@itkojecockot not sure if anyone even claimed they were peacefully protesting.

@Segphalt 2 жыл бұрын

32:28 The type of ammo used thing is a pointless endeavor. Many times in many jurisdictions the prosecution will demonize whatever you used. If FMJ, it becomes "You didn't care about endangering people around you." If you use JHP "You chose these because you weren't trying to just stop them, you wanted to make sure it almost certainly killed them." As such many an attorney will recommend you learn what exact round is issued to your local police, because at least you can turn that shit around on them. Doesn't matter if you think Speer Gold Dot is over priced and over rated. As for either FMJ/JHP in an AR-15 (0.223 and 5.56) gelatin tests show more or less JHP vs FMJ in ballistic gel, has about the same penetration capabilities (barring m855 and 855a1) as eachother the bullet just doesn't stay stable or hold together that well. The m855 variants penetrate more but that's mostly because of the steel tip traveling further as the round tears itself apart. I know ballistic gel isn't a perfect analog for the human body but it's what we have.

@dark91911 2 жыл бұрын

This i always heard people call hollow points "cop killer rounds"

@bigdaddyaen 2 жыл бұрын

This is something I've been curious about: if I was a gun owner because I thought guns were fun and I just wanted to shoot targets in someone's backyard (which if someone does so safely more power to them) I wouldn't care about the ammo, probably whatever's cheapest. Is it possible/likely that Rittenhouse or his friend picked that type of ammo for a valid reason or no reason (they just grabbed something off the shelf kind of thing), or if you buy that ammo type it's typically because you wanted that ammo for a purpose. I've only been shooting at a range 3 times and someone helped me pick everything, so I really don't know what's typical.

@blinky840 2 жыл бұрын

@@bigdaddyaen normally FMJ in my experience is the cheapest ammo and what you would normally use on a range. To add to this FMJ is normally almost half the price of JHP.

@Segphalt 2 жыл бұрын

@@bigdaddyaen It is a near certainty they bought whatever was cheap. That's what people often do for range ammo (barring long range shooting as consistency between rounds matters more then) FMJ is basically always cheapest. The penetration capability I mentioned is very specifically for the .223 and 5.56 cartridge. In pistol calibers at lower speeds FMJ/JHP has a much more distinct delineation in penetration. As for backyard shooting, people in rural areas have been doing it for ages. You tend to need a pretty sizable back yard but if you have a spot where a large hill can be your backdrop. (Or in my case a little valley where you more or less shoot down into it) It's quite doable. (Check your local jurisdictions laws) One of the few things I miss about living in the sticks... No range fees and your distance to travel is out the back door.

@MrRazmut 2 жыл бұрын

@@dark91911 they do? That's fucking weird. I thought body armor like the kind that cops have is like, more effective against hollowpoint ammo?

@Tehownilator 2 жыл бұрын

Let’s remember that all of this discussion is all devoid of the knowledge, albeit in hindsight, that every single one of these guys who attacked Rittenhouse and ended up getting shot are repeat violent criminals. Also, on Kyle’s testimony about firearms, obviously he was coached to avoid implying that he was any kind of expert on firearms. Yes it’s a close call, because on one side you have the risk of opening the door for the prosecution to ask about prior statements previously not allowed into evidence and on the other side you have the risk that you look like an irresponsible user to the jury. My guess is the fact that he was a kid just trying help his city and defend himself, and the fact that he didn’t do anything illegal in terms of carrying the gun, was easily enough to go the way they did.

@777NCM 2 жыл бұрын

Experts watched the videos of the shootings and were amazed at how well Kyle handled the weapon.

@Tehownilator 2 жыл бұрын

@@777NCM yeah it’s unbelievable. I’m not personally trained or experienced with guns at all, so I can’t say because I don’t really have a reference. But the fact that in hindsight and slowing everything down as much as you want, he still only shoots when necessary is just next level.

@stephenlott6968 2 жыл бұрын

I did not expect this conversation to be so reasonable

@concentratecorner1744 2 жыл бұрын

Tell me you know nothing about ammunition without telling me you know nothing about ammunition.

@jmattia24 2 жыл бұрын

This guy should get his facts right about pointing the gun. If I recall the testimony correctly, someone accused Kyle of pointing the gun at them during that night, and Kyle responded sarcastically to that person yea sure I did and walked off. This was not him admitting he did it, it was the opposite of that . This is a very important point. If Kyle had admitted to actually brandishing the weapon, that would have been found 100 times in the prosecutors closing as it's the best way to prove provocation.

@MTDurkee 2 жыл бұрын

You completely mistook what I said then, if this is what you think

@j.c.jeggis1818 2 жыл бұрын

I also use sarcasm in my testimony during my murder trial

@jmattia24 2 жыл бұрын

@@MTDurkee if you're the guy in the video, you directly state "he did admit in court that he did point a gun at somebody." It is at 4:50 mins this is something he never admitted to. Maybe you misspoke or I misconstrued what you said, but it came across as you saying Kyle admitted he brandished the weapon at someone else prior to the shooting. If that was the case, the prosecutor would have had a field day with it lol

@Adalon- 2 жыл бұрын

@@j.c.jeggis1818 I mean he told the truth. Any other response would be a lie. He wasn't being sarcastic on the stand like some asshole. Are you saying he should have lied?

@uppercutgrandma4425 2 жыл бұрын

@@j.c.jeggis1818 "I also use sarcasm in my murder trial" oh boy... Please, step aside from the conviction you're hoping for. He stated (as pretence in the murder trial) that he said it sarcastically when asked.

@anywhere_but_here 2 жыл бұрын

So refreshing to hear destiny talk with someone who’s intelligent and well-spoken

@psychoking43 2 жыл бұрын

Destiny talks with a lot of intelligent people it’s just so many of them are up on their high horse that they can’t humble themselves to be wrong, admit fault, see things from another side, etc… *cough* Vaush *cough*

@snakecode2492 2 жыл бұрын

@@psychoking43 He talks to lots of intelligent people Like who? Vaush. Lmao. Good one.

@trancepeirce3107 2 жыл бұрын

Guys I've haven't been following the KR situation at all. I want to ask, wasn't there another incident of a rogue gunner at Kenosha, which happened before any of the stuff with KR and the unarmed chasers? Or did I hear wrong.

@nbdxSkywalker 2 жыл бұрын

“This is total conjecture I could be wrong”

@wronglatitude 2 жыл бұрын

prosecution gave a lower rez version of the video to the defense.. a motion was filed

@luciddream2033 2 жыл бұрын

The enhanced image was brought in mid-trial after the prosecution was losing their case. It wasn't even alleged that Kyle raised his gun until that enhanced image was made.

@Mharve 2 жыл бұрын

Oblivious gun knowledge ? 🤣🤣🤣 he knew exactly how to use that gun .

@husseinpoliphilo 2 жыл бұрын

It's crazy that they mad at the bullets used...

@jth_printed_designs 2 жыл бұрын

Remember that the supposed "pointing" of his firearm at Ziminsky is occurring at the same exact time when Kyle is yelling "FRIENDLY FRIENDLY FRIENDLY"