TRUMP IS AN AUTHORITARIAN - DESTINY DEBATES

Date streamed: 11/17/2018
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[@user-yp3tv1vu1k]

Destiny: gives multiple examples of Trump being authoritarian. Redditor: I won't give you any hard counter arguments, I just FEEL like Trump isn't a authoritarian. Saved you 33 minutes.

[@ChristDuque]

Agree. It's quite simple : Did Trump jailed/killed/disappeared anyone that spoke against him? Yes : He is authoritarian No : He is not authoritarian End of debate.

[@MegaMapper]

@@ChristDuque that's not what authoritarianism means

[@ChristDuque]

@@MegaMapper What is the definition of authoritarianism then? I can take the one from Wikipedia, from the webster dictionary, oxford dictionary.. None of them seems to apply to Trump. That word is as over used as "nazi" nowadays. They are used to make people look bad. I'm from Spain, until 1979, we had a real authoritarian dictator, who jailed and killed dozens of thousands of people. Trump doesn't do 0.1% of what a real authoritarian "leader" can do. Trying to assimilate Trump and the word authoritarian is just as bad as wanting to say that everyone on the right is a nazi. PS : And i'm saying that being a Libertarian.

[@MegaMapper]

@@ChristDuque I'm not saying that Trump is or isn't authoritarian i'm just saying that your previous example isn't authoritarianism for 2 reasons: 1.authoritarianism is more than that. 2.it's out of context. If you want to know my opinion: Trump isn't authoritarian in my opinion, he have some tendencies for that for obvious reason - he is businessman but it's not enough to claim such a statement and in my opinion people who call nazis or authoritarians everybody who have different opinion are fanatics and morons. I'm not even subscriber of this closed-minded channel, it's first and last video i've watched here, i was looking for Destiny 2 guide (video game) and this was recommended to me, lol. Also about your last sentence: "And i'm saying that being a Libertarian." I don't want to be your enemy or something but i hate this kind of statements because it's like it suppose to mean something "i'm black so for cases with black people my opinion is a fact", "i'm libertarian so my opinion about the opposite side is a fact" etc. etc.

[@ChristDuque]

@@MegaMapper Well that's fair enough for the first part. I'm not subscriber here and ended here like you watching another video. But I respectfully disagree with your last part. Being black has nothing to do with ideas, you can be black (or any other race for that matter) and be on the left, on the right, or elsewhere, it's not political in itself. Libertarians put freedom/liberty of the individual above all, it's a political statement. You will see me denouncing against real threats or ideas (mostly on the left, socialism, communism, or also real authoritarians on the right, but almost inexistant nowadays) .. So in this case, yes it means something. It's like someone giving you legal counsel.. and he says : and i'm saying that as a lawyer. It doesn't mean it's necessarily true, or that the person (me included) cannot be wrong, but it gave you a sense of where the idea come from. Anyways, I think we both agree on this, it's just that written text in youtube comments is not the best format to pass ideas trough sometimes. ahah

[@bobkalle5662]

Nathan got deported in this debate.

[@Eralen00]

damn beat me to it

[@taefer7437]

:daFeels:

[@Kappatalism]

Idk why i laughed

[@Bai_Su_Zhen]

This is genius.

[@jeddafakee91]

I swear these guys who come to these discussions are missing a few screws, they come here to make arguments they don't look into and then talk so lazily like 14 year old "uh I don't know, I just don't think so".

[@nahsik]

The guy sounds so mentally deficient in the way he puts forth argues, then agrees and then manipulates the conversation to say that he only slightly agrees in the end. Some of these people really need to listen to themselves when they come on these videos afterwards. It's sounds like they are trolling but they actually believe in the rhetoric.

[@jeddafakee91]

They won't really feel anything even after people start getting jailed. Well on innaguration day people were protesting, someone threw garbage cans, and some got violent and burned a car, now it is clear this is a bad. But what happened next was truly authoritarian they rounded 230 people up in the area and charged them all with 10 years worth of crimes not sure who did what and they did not drop the charges till it June 2018.

[@0Fyrebrand0]

Trump could mandate all schools to force kids to get a fake orange spray tan, and recite a daily pledge of allegiance to Dear Leader Donald, and still this guy will be like: "Well, he's just expanding on the powers of office he already has. We have to have laws, right? What, are you saying there should be NO laws? Of course not! There has to be a balance. Who can say where the balance is? I don't necessarily LIKE it, but I don't agree that he's being authoritarian."

[@filipt7866]

Jedidiah oyeyemi This channel is so close minded and post modernist as hell

[@jeddafakee91]

@@filipt7866 listen up smart guy who just learned a new word. Socialism and capitalism are both modernist ideas because they are based on material things . Postmodernism can't just be a catch all term for things you don't like you know what is post modernist? Alternative fact(Trump) personal truths(Jordan Peterson)

[@smitty7326]

Hey I wanna come on stream to debate if Trump is authoritarian, but I don't have a single example on anything, a single idea on anything, and don't even know what authoritarian means.

[@TheRumpelstinskin]

That's because yerr a cat.

[@smitty7326]

@@TheRumpelstinskin i feel like my avatar's facial expression is an appropriate response here

[@TheHorrorGuru]

"You're attributing a lot of malice where there is none." He literally called the press the "enemy of the people." Sounds like there's a lot of malice there.

[@RebornLegacy]

@Scott M Yeah, even if we grant your idiotic characterization of MSM as "democrat controlled" there are far safer and more productive way to critique the MSM without putting a target on their back. And Trump complains about ANY negative press criticism, regardless of whether it's right or wrong. Face it bitch: your leader is a snowflake.

[@theswayzeexpress1]

"Hitler has only said that Jews are bad and the enemy of the people, he hasn't acted on these words yet. Just because he says that socialists and communists are going to take over the government doesn't mean that he's authoritarian" - the caller in 1932

[@virtual_alligator]

​@Vlavitir glutginskiya ​not understanding basic analogies, classic republican. are you aware that when someone compares, for example, a lover to a sweet summer's day, they're not actually calling their significant other the weather, you fucking walnut.

[@Junebug89]

@Vlavitir glutginskiya The actual typical NPC response is to call everyone an NPC if they say something you don't like. Using the same response as all the other mindless cultists to every single criticism is about as NPC as it gets. The irony of this "insult" is that in adopting it the way you all did, you proved yourself to be the thing you're accusing everyone else of being.

[@CaptainKylan]

@Vlavitir glutginskiya Calls someone an NPC for the second time this conversation "Can't you come up with anything original?" Great job, dude, you're trying and we are all real proud of the progress you've made

[@KrImSoN281]

All this kid knows is that being called an authoritarian is a considered a bad thing and doesn't want trump to be called it.

[@burstingturtle]

A “Trump is an authoritarian” debate should be, like, one minute.

[@fiarusgaming3420]

Literally lol.

[@farouq8477]

or not be even in a video

[@OkeyVision]

burstingturtle It should be since it’s quite obvious he isn’t. I’ve yet to have my freedom taken away.

[@corasolagalar]

@PokaDeJoka Hey dude are you ok. Remember to breathe between sentences

[@tschichpich]

@PokaDeJoka Someone who praised Kim Jong Un, can't be a bad person

[@ataridc]

dude doesn't know what authoritarian means -- destiny tries futilely for 33min to explain

[@Rustyqwe]

If he's ever seen a political compass, he would know that authoritarianism is on a scale. There isn't a point that Trump has yet to pass to be seen as an authoritarian. www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016

[@ataridc]

@Jason He's not over exaggerating at all. Trump would absolutely be worse if he could.

[@SuperNova0079]

@@Rustyqwe the diagram that was given shows that the Donald Trump is in the authoritarian area...

[@Rustyqwe]

@@SuperNova0079 Anything more obvious that you can point out for no reason after 2 weeks?

[@SuperNova0079]

@@Rustyqwe but you said trump has yet to pass to be an authoritarian, how can you say that if the diagram that was given clearly shows him as an authoritarian.

[@vintis88]

Destiny: **Make salient point** Guy: "I see your point" and proceeds to completely ignore it.

[@13wayz70]

BUT

[@biirdbone6467]

I hate the "oh he just SAID that" argument because... we ELECT people on what they say... we VOTE for people based on the things that they tell us they would do, or what they would like to do. It's ridiculous.

[@MrThankeesai]

hitler just said 'kill these jews plz' he didnt ACTUALLY kill anyone so he not bad...

[@asare240]

I dont even understand how you can even deny that he doesn't have at least an authoritative streak running through him and his administration. Pretty much every contemporary American president has some authoritarian in them, but he displays it proudly. I thought that was a huge part of the reason why far right conservatives liked him.

[@lemanpl1]

@@Vorock16 Well every US president has a lot more power than presidentes of other democracies, and it seems like all of them have a smaller or bigger kind of "cult of the leader" which does not exist in Europe. I surly wouldnt call them authoritarians but they have a few similarities

[@twenty-fifth420]

>Blatantly ignores checks and balances, either with actions or rhetoric. >Curbing of individual liberties of the constitution. >marginalization of groups either with rhetoric or actions. >Hates the press/free speech. Trump has done at least three of these things. Hating the press isn't grounds for Authoritarianism but it is a sign. Obama also ignored liberties by continuing mass surveillance of its people. @@Vorock16

[@Jazzyluvsyou100]

man, isn't speaking in platitudes great... you can't be wrong no matter what while saying shit that is potentially nonsensical. >Blatantly ignores checks and balances, either with actions or rhetoric Except you can't... because checks and balances are performed by other branches... how can you ignore checks and balances unless he is subverting the other branches? >Curbing of individual liberties of the constitution Every government does that...... obama, bush, clinton bush sr, reagan... did you all forget the fucking patriot act or something? >marginalization of groups either with rhetoric or actions. How is that not going to happen? in decision that affects anyone is going to marginalize someone, no matter what.... you are literally saying unfalsifiable statements. >Hates the press/free speech? You mean the single most maligned person in human history doesn't like his maligners? Who would have thought.... Freedom of speech? not so sure, but i would hate an industry that maligns me. "Hating the press isn't grounds for Authoritarianism but it is a sign. Obama also ignored liberties by continuing mass surveillance of its people. @forsenCD" Blaming obama for mass surveillance is so retarded.... the technology wasn't ready for mass surveillance until obamas term, It's like blaming Obama for increase in drone strikes.... the technology also wasn't ready for that either.

[@twenty-fifth420]

forsenCD Did you not read what I said? I said rhetoric and actions. Obviously rhetoric

[@asare240]

@@Vorock16 you're just being obtuse at this point. You cant just revoke press passes because you feel like the media is being mean to you, then bitch about the harsh criticism actions like that will inevitably bring on. If Obama revoked Fox News' press pass for being downright disrespectful to him, which they were ALL THE TIME, the conservatives would be crying holy hell. Fuck, Fox News BACKED CNN on the press pass issue precisely because of the precedent it would set if a Democratic president took power in the future. As for authoritarian actions outside of his repeated attacks on the press, just look at his actions regarding the Justice Department. He literally fired the director of the FBI because he refused to pledge loyalty to him regarding the Russia investigation. He went on and on about Jeff Sessions recusing himself from the investigation, as if the Justice Department exists to protect the president and is not an independent executive department. He's repeatedly threatened to fire Rob Rosenstein, who oversees the special prosecutor. He actually fired Jeff Sessions when politically convenient, then disregarded the line of succession to install a political stooge and possible con artist who will do what he commands, something that a shitload of legal scholars are calling downright unconstitutional. Just today it was revealed he wanted to ORDER the Justice Department to prosecute his political rivals. He's such an authoritarian, he doesn't seem to understand the concept of conflict of interest or how doing shit like that could trigger immediate impeachment proceedings, and it clearly bothers him greatly that he can't just impose his will on everything. Those are just some examples of his authoritarian nature.

[@jaredfranklin8611]

I like how this guy comes to debate Destiny without having followed any recent events and without knowing the definition of "authoritarian". He just holds an opinion so he's going to argue it even though he isn't equipped to do so.

[@missrobo9313]

Conservatives in a nutshell ;)

[@PrismGenesis]

Just one fucking time I want to see someone like this come on here, lose, and once, ONE FUCKING Time have the brains and balls to admit they were wrong. These trumples get fucked everytime and they are just too dumb to admit when they're misinformed. But I guess if they were smart enough to do that they won't support Trump anyway

[@pietzsche]

@Vlavitir glutginskiya how do you manage to insulate yourself from reality like that?

[@michaelvigil3436]

@@pietzsche Because people kept equating authoritarian rhetoric to authoritarianism, under Biden the distinction is a lot clearer then it was to people who supported Trump.

[@FraserJohnstone1]

@@PrismGenesis I totally agree, it’s such a weird aspect of human nature, this guy admits his lack of knowledge on the subject, but still feels he has something to offer, as though his ignorance has some virtue. It really scares me that so many people don’t find Trumps authoritarian tendencies, glaringly obvious.

[@jamalihamilton7866]

Destiny needs a long vacation the fact that he hasn't gone insane by talking to these people on a weekly basis amazes me

[@Psychedlia98]

RT is lit

[@hueyfreeman4366]

He has to specifically call Colin Kaepernick a “N” words (hard R) publicly before I’ll say he’s even slightly racist...... He has to specifically CHANGE the first amendment for me to say he’s anti free speech.... He has to specifically ban all immigration for me to say he’s anti immigration.... He has to go to extremes for me to make a judgement on his character....

[@Lozian]

As it should be.. you left wing extremists are jumping the gun every day. fuck you.

[@zboymichaels]

@@Lozian no that's not how it should be. Any unbiased person can deduct these obvious truths. You're moving of the goalpost of what is racist or anti-free speech is a result of your bias. Not the other way around.

[@fowfow7119]

@@Lozian if progressives are left wing extremist, isn't that better than far right extremist that take peoples lives with the help of right wingers opposing gun law reform, If we're gonna use that term we need a new defintion for right wing extremism since it feels disingeuous to both them both in the same bracket

[@supervegeta101]

When you're only argument is "I'm not touching you," then you have no argument.

[@pietzsche]

@Michael L I love when people are as convinced and wrong as you en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil_Maurice

[@vintis88]

Guy: "What Trump says doesn't matter, only what he does" Destiny: "Ok, so what would be over the line for you?" Guy: "If he said X" Me: **Destroys keyboard with face**

[@dudesloven5575]

Only two people thought this was funny and you are surrounded by a bunch of morons like yourself -Feelsbadman

[@theheartsstory]

@@dudesloven5575 may wanna update that insult.

[@dudesloven5575]

@@theheartsstory righhhht 👀

[@dudesloven5575]

@@PalletEater214 lol could you be anymore gay

[@dudesloven5575]

@@PalletEater214 idc what you do on your part time guy you just said something really gay

[@vix86]

This guy is so annoying and so ironic. He takes issue with "fake news" and then proceeds to try and make a claim about some major news organization make claims that Trump's kids would have their citizenship revoked. A search will show that Politifact covered this and they point at "Bloggers" if it was an actual major news org that had ran this story Politifact would have sourced them *not* "bloggers." But this guy sitting here claiming "Oh it was a major news org, but uh...maybe they took it down.." this is the embodiment of "fake news" and ill-informed discourse that simply muddies the waters. The cherry on top of all of this is that the guy is Lebanese in the UK, not even an American for whom all of this stuff is incredibly salient.

[@theonismithcreations8554]

"I don't know" the ultimate debate counter.

[@Mabmark]

people have acted on what Trump says though. That's in part the goal of rhetoric no?

[@andreashofmann4556]

Nope, unless Trump personally puts someone from the press against the wall and shot them it's just "well, uh, i don't know, i don't think he'd actually do that, i mean it's just, uh.. talk."

[@Mabmark]

@@andreashofmann4556 XD

[@politicalprogrammer1951]

I just FEEL that drumpf isn’t an authoritarian. Derp.

[@wakawakacody]

Destiny go on chapo

[@onearmedbandit84]

Don't they hate liberals, though?

[@wakawakacody]

@@onearmedbandit84 destiny is becoming more tankie by each day tho

[@vallokius886]

Didn't he describe himself as a socdem recently? The video a bit ago where he was talking about income inequality certainly gives that impression, even without him directly stating it.

[@MemoryVague]

just a bonus episode vs matt christman. or god forbid, amber

[@billybadass8690]

Destiny go vegan

[@bertdammer8419]

"In order to sue you have to prove-" No, you can sue anyone for anyone reason. Once it's in a courtroom, then you have to prove certain things - but until then, or until a judge throws a case out pre-trial, people have to pay for lawyers and go through the process of filling and responding and whatever. There can be a massive financial burden placed on somebody who's being sued that they have to deal with even if the case never makes it to court. Wealthy corporations will fairly routinely sue private citizens with claims that they KNOW are spurious, because they also know that the private citizen cannot afford to stand up to the expensive corporate lawyer and would rather agree out of court to stop doing whatever the wealthy wants them to stop doing than accept total financial ruin. If Trump gets to expand libel laws to make more lawsuits possible, the chilling effect isn't just people being afraid of lawsuits - it will include people being hit with frivolous lawsuits that they're unable to defend themselves against, and small voices being crushed and permanently silenced because they had to bankrupt themselves to resist claims made just to ruin them. Especially if a sitting president can sue the press - and "the press" can include independent journalists who have to take on the financial burden entirely on their own - you're opening the door for an individual to leverage the financial might of the federal government against dissenting voices, and that's a fight the government is going to win much more often than it should.

[@InherentGem493]

@Vlavitir glutginskiya You're an idiot. Lauren Southern is a white supremacist.

[@MsGoldenEra]

I don't think people realize that authoritarians don't just immediately happen to be apparent in their authoritarianism, so the whole "well, you're jumping the gun" is ridiculous. Let me wait till it's too late to say something or act against this authoritarian figure. What can go wrong?

[@assuming9735]

I can't believe we're two years into a Trump presidency and people still have contentions over his administration's authoritarian tendencies.

[@assuming9735]

@Vlavitir glutginskiya I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here

[@assuming9735]

@Vlavitir glutginskiya Do you have actual proof of this? Almost every political faction in the US hates the idea of communism and Castro more so, as at least to my knowledge.

[@J.C.3]

Government in itself has authoritarian tendencies

[@raxio8369]

Destiny (as attorney) : "Yes judge we want to go for attempted murder. We have the weapon, video manifesto, multiple texted death threats, suicide note, documented escalation from verbal to physical abuse, restraining order and he was arrested inside the victim's house that he broke into." This twit: "Yes, but was he actually in the middle of attempting to murder him? Was he shot or stabbed at all?" "He was probably just trying to scare him. You can't take him seriously bro".

[@robfern66]

I fear for our world with people like this in it. Much respect to Destiny for his supreme patience when talking to this kid.

[@mutsuhanma7807]

Trump says we should take a strong look at libel laws....debater says it isn't authoritarian til he suggests exactly the example he set forth....which was "the press doesn't have to know at the time of publishing that what they're saying it's false it just has to come out that it's false later." So if he suggests something similar that achieves the same goal but not word for word...according to this guy...it still isn't authoritarian. He just said lets take a look at libel laws...it could mean anything....has an eerily same feel as if someone punches you, and you say I'm gonna kill him..what the debater is saying is that it wasn't for the punch that he said he was gonna kill him....it was just an expression...and that you shouldn't be jailed for that threat because you haven't done anything yet...like you haven't acted on it...

[@jonathanromero850]

You should react to Thomas Sowell.

[@onearmedbandit84]

What a perfect time for this video to come out.

[@bananian]

This aged well

[@Jhinting]

"I don't know if we're there YET" implying that he will continue to trust Trump until it is too late. That's how a lot of trump supporters feel.

[@chuckecheese5251]

I love this guy like has he become an authoritarian dictator yet no see so there is no problem

[@lejigglyqueenteemo6029]

This hits different now lol

[@txync]

I have a strong opinion but I'll have to look it up why.

[@CoachDitka]

"It's fine if he says many authoritarian things, as long as he doesn't do them." Even if he does not pass a single authoritarian policy, by constantly using authoritarian rhetoric he is both introducing authoritarian ideas to his followers and emboldening and empowering people that already support authoritarianism. Words matter. This is not complicated.

[@OliverCarson]

A fellow UK citizen and the first thing he says, when he goes on to discuss American politics, is that he doesn't really follow Brexit.

[@oddwirdz]

why is it always someone who isn't from the states always talking about our politics?

[@TheOneTheyCallFrost]

Another debate? I'm being spoiled here.

[@gurujot951]

Destiny is a great debater. I feel like I could never rattle off the examples and quick logical debate tactics on the spot like that. It's actually quite a unique skill.

[@samt7623]

Criticizing the media, claiming libel laws should be opened up and words are not authoritarian. This is a bad take. However, the muslim ban is authoritarian. I believe democracy itself is a form of authoritarianism, though. Just because someone uses authority along a set of rules doesn't make it non-authoritarian.

[@ShinobiDaNinja]

"Uh I don't know I haven't looked that up but i disagree" This entire debate.

[@chillmadude]

isnt trumps wife from the eurasian continent? that would mean she's foreign and her children born in america wouldnt be americans under the law trump wants to put out ... unless im missing something due to my lack of knowledge on the finer details here ...

[@toby9364]

Holy fucking Christ how are these people allowed to vote 11:00

[@rarmachine8364]

Everytime you do these you just overreact and then get mad that everyone else isn't overreacting

[@RustySshackleford]

Here is how stupid Trump is: libel laws are at the state level. There are NO federal libel laws.

[@bobsmithj330]

This did not age well with the Russian investigation example. This should have been a debate on "What did trump actually do that was authoritarian?" not "questionable authoritarian things trump says". #Sussmann

[@FireGod1101]

You are either misinformed, actively lying or dumb. Trump's crimes are evident. Read up on the bills he tried to push, the Election he tried to orchestrate and how many people he has lost due to corruption which he promised to abolish.

[@bradyshepherd8304]

does this guy know anything?

[@thegreatkrimpus6139]

authoritarian-favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom. how is he an authoritarian ?

[@megafanflash]

He threatens to use the military to get his sole will without compromise done. He ignore both parties and acts alone as the single leader on many cases. He critiques media and tries to make sure negative news regarding himself is deemed fake and makes obscure comments to avoid push back from the press and the people. Or you could have watched the video and heard why Destiny thinks he is an authoritarian.

[@DisturbingFacts7]

Gnope

[@Tjuri10]

Was this before the Costa Press Pass debacle or something? He already acted on his words!

[@PollackJ1]

Love what you do, I meet with these people all the time and I can never come up with what to respond with at that moment (always think of the perfect comeback right after) and it seems like it did nothing but reinforce their own views. Watching your debates with these people (even though you question why the fuck you do it or waste your time with them) it helps people like myself who have trouble getting the point across to others that we may actually have an influence on. That and I really think you can influence casual viewers of other streamers that don't really have an opinion and just go with what their influencers (streamers/online personalities) say. But, I digress, I think you are doing a great job and are in the position to do a positive thing in the world, regardless of how small you may perceive it.

[@vintis88]

Take solace in the fact that even though Destiny usually has a good reply to everything Trumptards say, it never ever changes what they think at all. So you not knowing what to say really doesn't change much :(

[@PollackJ1]

@Vlavitir glutginskiya seeking asylum is not against the law in the US, not sure about Russia though. Your laws may be different.

[@ToxicTerrance]

Destiny got authoritative in this debate.

[@tph2010]

"Authoritarianism is a term political scientists use for a worldview that values orderliness and authority, and distrusts outsiders and social change. As a form of government, it is characterized by strong central power and limited political freedoms. Individual economic or personal freedoms are subordinate to the state and there is no constitutional accountability under an authoritarian regime." "Authoritarian personality is a state of mind or attitude characterized by belief in absolute obedience or submission to someone else’s authority, as well as the administration of that belief through the oppression of one's subordinates. It usually applies to individuals who are known or viewed as having an authoritarian, strict, or oppressive personality towards subordinates."

[@M0rgul0N]

"to me" "for me" to me" "for me"

[@SchiwiM]

Does Destiny sees himself on the political right or left side? What side does he think represents?

[@SchiwiM]

That was my guess too, he has a lot of good left arguments. But I'm new to his channel and where people see themselves can differ. Thanks

[@fiarusgaming3420]

Destiny has the cutest smile lol

[@bcsb]

"Tell me, Nathan...do the Lebanese create mystical warrior weapons such as the katana?" Destiny straight fucking gnomed him on that one. Debate over.

[@vecha997]

this aged well

[@maximthefox]

When Destiny makes a point he actually just gives examples, whereas with this dude it's always like "um... I can't remember right now" or "I couldn't say off the top of my head..."

[@j.baldwinwasagenius...7575]

A retraction wouldn't make it disappear from the web. Even Snopes would include the retraction.

[@rschloch]

Listening to this feels like listening to a counseling session for someone with a logical fallacy syndrome.

[@andrewbyrd432]

Where do people get the confidence to discuss these things with a surface level understanding?

[@SSJ4BLINK182FAN]

4 minutes in and im not watching the rest of the argument because you won just that fast

[@gurujot951]

I think if this guy had any information it would get to the point of him saying "Maybe Trump would like to be an authoritarian but the Justice system won't let him, so its a mute point because he wouldn't be able to get away with it anyway". Unfortunately, the guy couldn't even make that shitty argument.

[@Bababaaaa]

The thing about Trump people to me is just that they give him a pass on EVERYTHING but dump on democrats on anything. This guy honestly isn't as bad as some, but it just seems so strange to let so many things go without even a tiny bit of concern. I just find it very odd.

[@rojay1214]

Garrett Nelson I work with 5 guys that are so adamant that THEY try to convince ME that he isn’t a liar. Shift after shift of video clips and tweets. They have an excused for every lie. I think ppl don’t understand how far gone his base truly is-until you’ve dealt with one

[@mattdrewdrums]

It's very problematic either way. You can either believe the president's word holds basically no value, or admit he speaks in a way that is clearly authoritarian.

[@BruhiSwearToGod]

You shouldn't talk to foreigners about trump. They lack adequate and appropriate context. This guy is not bright lol

[@CM-hp5nk]

Going straight to insulting the guy who is clearly open to the discussion is not the way to gain allies and change minds.

[@Lozian]

They lack the intense and extreme inoctrination the US citizens has gotten though the fakestream media.. so they might actually see things more unbiased.. can't have that... how will we get them to hate Trump without lying about him??

[@Junebug89]

@@Lozian lol you're so pathetic. The easiest way to make someone hate Trump is to tell the truth about him. Incidentally that's why most of the world hates Trump.

[@skodalaskoda7507]

Trump acknowledges midterm elections... Total Authoritarian

[@Karachsingstrue]

Man just started watching and Destiny is taking such adventage of the kid's stage fright. "Why should trump be able to sue press when he himself lies all the time?" Nigga, cut him off, a person lying and an institution systematically lying fır 3 years is not the same thing. When you don the mantle of press you take on powers. And with great power comes great responsibility.

[@slytown]

Trump is not pushing for expansion of libel law; he is pushing for expansion of the sedition acts (and the Espionage Act), but opening up the libel laws is easier for the public to handle. Sedition was considered too authoritarian and therefore repealed in 1920.

[@jeffc5974]

The President absolutely can introduce legislation. This particular President won't, because he's too lazy. Said legislation will still need to go through the normal process, and if no Senator or Representative sponsors it, it will go nowhere.

[@carolinenetbrun5030]

I think it s not fair that ppl label these ppl destiny is talkong to idiots. Some ppl are just not good debaters. Some ppl are better at something else. If i were to debate destiny, he would crush me. Not because i am dumb, but i don t have that kind of talent. That s why i would prefer destiny debate ppl who also have his talent.

[@jannoottenburghs5121]

The Chinse president is also allowed by their constitution but does that really not make him authoritarian anymore? I know that Bloomberg believes that but really also normal people?

[@protokerr]

Does anyone have the source for Trumps comments on banning Muslims and letting Christians through the ban? Destiny references it a lot and idk where to find the sources of his common talking points.

[@davidcurryman]

You'd think Destiny was doing god's work setting up these debates and making a real fucking effort to set up an example of what it means to be equipped for what to talk about, as well as arguing in good faith. But noooo

[@Charles-bu4yn]

Trump had 0 previous government running expierence so when hes elected on 100% on what he says and promises yes his words absolutely matter.

[@bigswings2414]

This entire debate. "Yeah uh I didn't see that..." There I saved you 33 fucking minutes.

[@Bunnibunnibunni]

destiny you spoiling me with all these debates babe............

[@michaelantonio]

NO, Spanky! Trump is a liberator... Understand the difference.

[@megafanflash]

A liberator making unanimous decisions for the country..

[@itsallawork5756]

Goddamn please have an American on now. Also how the fuck did he say even in a small way and then gives a small way then says he doesn’t care about that lmao. You gotta be kidding me.

[@holyflygon]

Why do people who don’t live in the USA talk like they understand the us laws and talk like they know what’s best for the USA

[@tristan5546]

Its not expanding to include things that you don't like that are said about you. Trump wants to expand it to include things the news media reports and knows to be false. Whether or not you agree with it doesnt matter its not authoritarian.

[@stuartsmith4369]

I get the impression that this guy thinks you have to self identify as authoritarian to be one. He's arguing that trump is too stupid to realise he's proposing authoritarian policies and therefore isn't really an authoritarian.

[@ShaunTo9]

Another person debating a point and they have no idea what the point they're making actually means.

[@nikklon3401]

Only problem I had here is Obama came up with that list I believe.

[@splabbity]

Your opponent was Sarah Huckabee Sandersing.

[@spencerbrown4068]

People try to simplify a complex world, and authoritarians do that whether or not its right or true

[@justinianthe1st790]

The orange messiah is actually bad.

[@ARedYellowFellow]

*Repeatedly posts npc meme ad nauseum.*

[@justinianthe1st790]

@Alex M I was making fun of it by going over the top. This is actually what I think.

[@EvilMojodishu]

This guy knows fuck all about libel or defamation law

[@chandler7493]

Who talks politics on the internet but doesn't follow Brexit?

[@jjb101]

The fact that we're at the point where we're even debating these points is a sign we're fucked.

[@Lindyn773]

Trump Muslim-banned Destiny in this debate.

[@itsallawork5756]

Holy fuck these people give so much leeway. 🤭🤭

[@stepdaddy4196]

I’m just rewatching this is this the Digibro dude

[@oOPPHOo]

He has one example which, assuming his memory is right, was retracted without assistance from the law. He admits it's not enough on its own and doesn't know other examples. All he knows is that with the exception of that one time, which we haven't been able to confirm ever happened, Trump only ever speaks of expanding libel laws when faced with criticisms. I think this guy needs his positions summarized to him like that rather than as he didn't provide an example. If I'm assuming good faith here rather than intellectual dishonesty, this guy doesn't have a strong overview of his own beliefs.

[@gl3110]

You can't be authoritarian unless youre successful at it.

[@bjorklaser]

it must be hard to go out of your way to carry water for the orange muppet...

[@pauldavidson6088]

You know your losing a debate when you say "I can see your point" like 10 times.

[@DonnaBrooks]

I kept thinking of this quotation when the caller made excuses: "Nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there's a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged, and it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air, however slight, lest we become victims of the darkness." -William O. Douglas, U.S. Supreme Court Justice. (Edited for length)

[@Sicksdeuce91]

stop debating people with a 6th grade reading level