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[@MohammedAbdelhamed]

So for any "meme" projects like the wall money doesn't matter, but when it comes to medical care and welfare we need to calculate every dime?

[@AronCruise]

also the mueller investigation

[@rocketrelm1125]

As long as we *only* count the dollars that got spent on it, and *not* the dollars it made back. @@AronCruise

[@SubscribersWithoutAnySubscribe]

Yeah sure dude, 3 trillion a year is just "dimes" and 6 billion once off is a totally backbreaking expense. Whatever you say.

[@hsleeplessnights9798]

@@SubscribersWithoutAnySubscribe it would not be 3 trillion, how about all the wars, bombings the US are doing. Nobody cares if their tax dollars go towards that. there's so much money for War but non for your own well-being

[@phanatic215]

@@hsleeplessnights9798 yes the fuck I do care that my tax dollars are going to that. The people that don't care are the ones that shout "take care of Americans first" but when you respond with decreasing the military budget to fund Healthcare, they suddenly don't want to spend money NOT killing people.

[@T1J]

This guy has mastered the Gish Gallop

[@Thravous]

lol nice to see you here. love your channel man!

[@Eunos_FD3S]

@@Thravous who is this man, what video should i check out for my first

[@adelaidid6]

@@Eunos_FD3S the sam Harris one

[@TheRealZeke2003]

Funny to know T1J was DGG

[@zillafire101]

"America is in a most fortunate position. It is bordered to the north and south by weak neighbors and to the east and west by fish." Otto von Bismarck

[@hopedream11]

That honestly sounds like something Bismark would say lol

[@Potatotenkopf]

Fish are pretty strong though, i hear they had a war with the UK, or maybe that was just the Cod in that region.

[@toximenexythol]

What the fuck is this welfare meme? The first thing they ask you for when applying is whether or not you're a US citizen, and you have to prove citizenship. There are cases where non-citizens can get aid, but it's usually very specific cases. I've never seen a news story that's reputable saying a super huge amount of immigrants are actually just soaking up welfare, isn't that just a right wing meme?

[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

Couldn't make it much into the video because of the massive misinformation he attempted to spread by stating before Japan attacked Japan's reasons for attacking were "they saw America as weak!". What a stupid rhetoric, which is intentionally misleading so people think "well if they had a military they wouldnt have been attacked, spend more money on the military!". Actually, let's take a look at why Japan attacked the US in a simple to understand step by step number format... 1. The US cut off oil supply to Japan, something Japan DESPERATELY would need as they were involved in WW2 at the time (the US was not). 2. Yamamoto (Japanese general) thought the US would become involved sooner or later, and would prove a difficult enemy as they had a strong navy and knowledge of the Pacific. 3. Yamamoto believed attacking Pearl Harbor could greatly cripple the US, in enough time for the axis powers to win the war and/or enough time for Japan to properly maneuver against them. Yamamoto himself actually predicted the fall of his own country in the war with a famous quote, a quote that DIRECTLY disputes what this tard tried to pass off as truth. This quote was never proved to have been said by Yamamoto, but encapsulated his actual thoughts well. "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." As to what he actually believed, with cited evidence... "Yamamoto believed that Japan could not win a protracted war with the US. Moreover, he seems later to have believed that the Pearl Harbor attack had been a blunder-even though he was the person who came up with the idea of a surprise attack on Pearl Harbor. It is recorded that "Yamamoto alone" (while all his staff members were celebrating) spent the day after Pearl Harbor "sunk in apparent depression". He is also known to have been upset by the bungling of the Foreign Ministry which led to the attack happening while the countries were technically at peace, thus making the incident an unprovoked sneak attack that would certainly enrage the Americans." Essentially Yamamoto knew due to long-range air craft carriers (naval ships) they wouldn't win a prolonged war, due to the effectiveness at them not needing as much fuel/supplies as well as combat effectiveness. So he certainly recognized America as quite powerful, before WW2.

[@omnic1000]

It's actually astounding how ridiculous the idea is that Japan thought the U.S. was some sort of easy pickings to be had during WW2. Destiny has had a lot of people on that have said some really stupid things but this might one might take the cake.

[@marcinkierzkowski2470]

nerdSlayer interesting but why can't something just as good full the void that is left after star wars galaxies?

[@roytendo]

Japan also thought they would essentially cripple the entire navy by taking out most of our massive battleships, which they did by attacking Pearl Harbor. The Japanese were not able to predict that Aircraft Carriers would be the main method of battle in the Pacific Theater since ships seldom saw one another due to planes scouting.

[@Thravous]

Oh hi man, love your channel and stuff, cool to see you here!

[@MediumChungus223]

Weren't the US battleships and aircraft carriers the primary targets of Japan's attack? If I recall correctly, the Japanese had bad Intel and though the carriers were anchored at Pearl Harbor, when in fact they were not. Had the Japanese managed to destroy most of the US carriers, it would undoubtedly have set back US efforts by months if not years

[@kennyl9777]

This guy was well-spoken but poorly informed. He doesn't even have undergraduate level understanding of statistics.

[@ethansweetland2460]

Destiny or the person he’s debating.

[@mattmorgan7858]

the maternal death rate claim was kinda interesting, so i looked into it a bit. The UK definition of maternal mortality rates is far more encompassing than the US. They include things such as suicide, and malignancy which shoot their numbers way up. If you compare the individual rates for things that they both actually measure(such as preclampsia) unsurprisingly, the UK does better than the US in every area. .

[@Spencerwalker21]

But waaah facts hurt my feelings lolz

[@TonecrafteLuthiery]

@@Spencerwalker21 Know I'm late on this sorry. For anyone who sees this in the future; It's generally a good idea to do what this guy did when comparing stats from different sources. The way different countries/states/organizations... etc, collect statistics can sometimes inflate or deflate the stats relative to other countries. I'm sure that applies on more local levels as well like comparisons between states or provinces within countries. That's not to say statistics are irrelevant or anything obviously. On the contrary, we need them to make rational policy decisions. I'm just saying it's useful to check methodologies when comparing statistics from different sources, so you can make sure the difference is actually relevant and not just a product of a factor that isn't the subject of the data.

[@takeshii]

@@TonecrafteLuthiery but generally laymen shouldn't be comparing stats from different sources otherwise you look like Vincent James n his gun arguments. Unless you were conducting a metal analysis or something in which case you have a background in stats n data collection and its an obvious thing to do.

[@arcarsenal420]

@@TonecrafteLuthiery This is hugely important in other areas too. Sweden in particular expanded the definition of rape considerably in 2014-2015, resulting in a large spike of reported rapes. These were the same years Sweden experienced large refugee influxes. You can imagine how this often-overlooked legal change created statistical effects which made their way into migration discourse.

[@chri991000]

@@takeshii i know i'm a year late but reading "metal" analysis made me laugh so hard i almost shit myself

[@nickmeistersa123456]

What is it with conservatives and the fake-ass "radio DJ" type voice?

[@arcarsenal420]

You know it's gonna suck when you ask for a source and they say, "Let me find the video..."

[@kuroichan101]

I laughed when that guy brought up razorfist(if you dont know, he debated secular talk). He is just another guy who came to a debate very unprepared.

[@blasphimus]

Link for this my dude?

[@Amonfobious]

is it hard to google "razorfist secular talk debate"?

[@kuroichan101]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/bnqkg35pbJ6SY8U

[@lozdbzmario]

God that debate was epic. Best episode of Drunken Peasants in a while.

[@LordMichaelRahl]

A physical wall is completely and utterly moronic on every level.

[@fappylp2574]

Perhaps, but nobody has considered a _metaphysical_ wall yet!

[@politicallycorrect7963]

Worked in Berlin.

[@EvilDuckOfDoom3]

works in israel

[@EvilDuckOfDoom3]

Sure it doesnt stop everything but the number of bombings has decreased. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier#Effectiveness Secondly.. worked in China.

[@lipslide101]

le nice meme eks dee!!

[@ParkerStanfieldFilm]

Of course this chucklehead's a Razorfist fan. He even talks like him. Good gravy.

[@TrolldaMeir]

This is what happens when rightists attempt to think about things instead of just going off feelings

[@Impervious11]

Right off the bat, the guy talks about how he has a channel and how he is unknown, and then said he has nothing he wants to talk about. It seemed that he is trying to use Destiny's channel as a platform for him to get more views and attention in order to be more relevant.

[@backhandedhandies]

right like destiny should've ended it when the guy showed that he was just a free-for-all debater who just likes to repeat right wing myths. like how do you want to have a discussion w/ someone who u don't really watch but just wanna debate w ??

[@conroypearson5819]

this guy came on so unprepared

[@JackJam2010]

I dont get why some people come on and just say "sooo... what do you want to talk about?"

[@mojojoji5493]

Every time destiny said some sad event related to Mexico that dude laughs

[@CLS1507]

Because that would be an appeal to emotion??

[@Butterkin]

Yeah, because it's Mexico's responsibility to run their own country. Not the Americans. Their northern border with the United States is a political pressure valve to keep the lower class of mexico from rising up and starting some kind of political reformation to fix their country. It keeps the politicians in Mexico in power along with the cartel. It would not nearly be as easy for drug lords to get drugs across if we simultaneously built a high tech southern border wall along with beefing up border security and actually enforcing our immigration laws. If we simply adopt a more economically conscientious immigration reform plan like RAISE, while also maintaining a large wall with a larger border security force that patrols the air, the sea around the border and the border itself above and below ground, we would see serious results. Japan is doing fine and they have tough immigration policies, so is Australia, so is Israel. Why are the Americans the only ones not allowed to have economically conscientious immigration reform? At the end of the day Mexican illegal immigration and overstaying visas is a product of american and Mexican policies that made sure business owners and farmers could rake in the cash and employ under minimum wage workers. The whole thing is corrupt and it needs to stop, neither you nor Destiny should support these kinds of policies. At the end of the day you just think were racist for wanting tougher immigration policies, and you don't view the illegal immigration as severe as it actually is. You don't understand the complicated web of issues that illegal immigration is linked to that would be fixed if we simply enforced the law, as we are a nation of laws. You don't understand the issues that it causes and you don't care. You're just against everything with a Trump stamp on it.

[@1000aaronaaronaaron]

Chris uhm.. What?

[@1000aaronaaronaaron]

Butterkin 3000 yea cause mexico isnt anywhere close to america so they're not our problem! You people are hilarious

[@1000aaronaaronaaron]

Butterkin 3000 "they have tough immigration policy" and America does too. Youre trying to fix a non problem

[@dylan4964]

Who else saw destiny ban someone for saying he was stumped LOL 25:52

[@robosoldier11]

Amazing lol.

[@dachshund_gaming]

Most of the people in this comments section would absolutely shit on a right-leaning streamer if they did that, yet this is the only comment here I see calling destiny out on it lol

[@dylan4964]

@@dachshund_gaming destiny is pretty well known to be a short-tempered hypocrite

[@dachshund_gaming]

@@dylan4964 oh, so it’s such common knowledge that barely anyone calls him out on it anymore?

[@dylan4964]

@@dachshund_gaming no I just think his fans are 5 foot betas

[@ownagemunky]

2+2 is 4, -1 that's 3 quick mafs

[@Just10tb]

ownagemunky everyday mans on the blokk... smoke treees

[@Strong2091]

WHEN DA TING GOES QUACK QUACK QUACK, U MAN WERE DUCKING.

[@dylan7761]

CHILLIN IN A CORRIDOR. YOUR DAD IS FOURTYFOUR

[@Etp545]

SKRR POP POP

[@zMustheMadMan]

See your girl in the park. That girl is a uckers.

[@bobbyzipp9947]

I’m going to sound smart and rattle off “facts” and not back them up with anything other than my feelings.

[@Avenger222]

tl;dr - Viewer made a lot of anomalous claims which may or may not be true, but are hard to believe without solid explanation or proof. Don't bother with this video -- just watch the followup video.

[@SomethingImpromptu]

25:08 - When we decriminalized cannabis (another essentially victimless crime) in many states, we decided there should be amnesty for the people in prison for cannabis... The idea that it “degrades our legal system” to change unjust laws to more lenient ones is just stupid... Also some of Destiny’s very conservative takes and concessions to this guy are pretty cringe-inducing. :/

[@SomethingImpromptu]

Ah, brought it up after the debate. Glad to see that!

[@suarezguy]

It's not wrong or bad to change unjust laws but few people would (at least outright) say having any border/immigration control (including even wait times) is an unjust law or system, there shouldn't be that going forward. Continuing to have a system/policies but making massive exception of and for millions does make it less likely people will take the system seriously later.

[@navarrov]

Seems like neither person knows much about Mexico and it’s politics. Mexico doesn’t ask America for military help defeating the cartel because their policies lean more toward the legalization of illegal drugs. They know the drug war doesn’t work and there are many cases proving that the legalization of illegal drugs also has a correlation for a reduction in drug related crime. Whereas the United States still has this stupid idea that we are going to win the drug war and we just never will. Thus, we can’t see eye to eye.

[@hopedream11]

It seems in the US, We have this idea of winning every war we face regardless of who or what it's against. The War on Terror, The War on Drugs etc. This does not work.

[@TheMouseAvenger]

NO!!!! Drugs are terrible, harmful, & dangerous; they harm & kill people; & they ruin innocent lives, neighborhoods, etc. I will NOT stand for the legalization of non-weed drugs in the U.S., Mexico, or any other country!

[@TheMouseAvenger]

+Trimmel Bullshit, sir. We've done very well in the War On Terror, & we CAN win the war on drugs, too. We just need better strategies, like giving white & black drug users the exact same sentences, sending all drug users to rehab & counseling & things like that, sending all the drug dealers to jail in their stead, & having more in-depth education as to hiw & why drugs are harmful. :-)

[@hopedream11]

TheMouseAvenger yeah we did that in the 1980s tell me is it working? doesn't seem like it plus let's be honest the war on drugs started with the with the CIA bringing in drugs to inner-city neighborhoods and the war has mainly been to imprison blacks and minorities. as for the war on terror yeah let's fight a war we partly caused in the first place and support terror groups that totally won't turn against us in the future. better yet let fight a concept: TERROR you know terrorism the thing the US is sometimes considered to be supporting even as we say other countries support terrorism. back to drugs, legalization would fix a lot of problems and cut the cartels in Mexico off from their main profit base but that won't happen on a federal level that is needed Colorado notwithstanding.

[@donkeyshow8543]

@@TheMouseAvenger You are a fucking idiot. You don't know fuck all about drugs.

[@logicplease1414]

The comments are more troubling than the content. I will say this though, this Destiny guy is probably the only good debater on the left. I respect him for that.

[@undeadyoshi1]

Yooooo destinyyyy. Are you gonna chime in on the ROBERT MEULLER INDICTMENTS? The game is afoot, friend!

[@bobbyzipp9947]

Let’s try to sound intelligent instead of racist. It always comes out eventually.

[@bagandtag4391]

Destiny debate MatPat on his Purple Guy theory please

[@SilentHobo]

The dynamic of this conversation essentially devolves into like a parent checking a child's homework.

[@timpoolboy98]

So to this guy the wall is possibly not worth the money, but shows our strength. And social medicine isn't worth it at all. Jesus.

[@jeddafakee91]

I already like this because I get to hear a wall person squirm to make sense

[@chrishansen4506]

Why don't you get ban shapiro on stream ;)

[@jacobsharp1317]

Hi why don’t you take a seat over there.

[@2cleverbyhalf]

Actually, when the World Trade Organization funds projects in the underdeveloped world it has led to massive corruption in places like the Congo and Zaire, where banana republics spring up, put those dollars in their own pocket with kickbacks, etc. The projects that are funded are infrastructure designed to get raw materials out, not projects to foster trade on the African continent, or to help Africa develop a manufacturing infrastructure to improve employment and standard of living among their people. Once these tinpot dictators are gone, the people are left with huge amounts of debt that they cannot repay because the development didn't go to places that would benefit communities. Then what happens is a structural adjustment program is instituted to leverage what little these countries have to pay back the debt, this means that these people cannot implement health programs, or build schools, or invest in bettering their situation with social programs because their meager taxes go to pay off the debts. When the USA gives aid to countries it is usually military aid. There are some prominent exceptions. For example, our funding for AIDs drugs to African nations was an important way we helped African nations. But even that aid has a disgusting side to it. South Africa said that they were going to break intellectual property rights laws and start making AIDs drugs at cost for their people, the reason we sent them drugs was to stave off South Africa from making them. Basically, we were propping up pharmaceuticals. The US exists for world bankers and to enforce the will of Big Business. We do not do humanitarian aid for the sake of being nice.

[@demisaysstuff]

I don't think this guy understands how the law works or why it behaves in the way it behaves.

[@snowballeffect7812]

gotta love that obvious cherry-picking on the nhs stats lmao.

[@Jrez]

I mean, maybe if the wall was totally free and could be poofed in and out of existence at will, we could give it a shot for a while to observe the effects. That's about it.

[@icarvs_vivit]

Government spending is and always has been a massive meme.

[@Tatchko]

Destiny had his argument surrounded by a BIG BEAUTIFUL WALL in this debate!

[@christopherdye2212]

I haven't watched the whole video but this got to me. Generally speaking, Foreign Aid = Foreign Bribes We don't send aid to people that already like us because we're not a damn charity. We send aid to those who hate us so we can get leverage on them.

[@TheMouseAvenger]

That's bullshit right off the bat! Remember Live Aid? Our relief efforts after various natural disasters? And so on?

[@jayargee492]

"We don't send aid to people that already like us" HUH?

[@bakebook]

Ironic isn't it lol also imagine asking South Americans what they think about the wall. They like it bc it means cartel would have a harder time smuggling guns from america

[@seanmcquade6838]

Infant mortality is worse in the US even after counting for data discrepancies. What is this guy talking about? prnt.sc/rp08rd

[@Espen1039]

Like 70% of illegal immigrants just fly here and stay for too long...

[@anybody2501]

Espen1039 BUILD A DOME

[@iandoobz6799]

its actually like 42% but its still almost half of all undocumented immigrants

[@reudensplasher1659]

@@iandoobz6799 way more than 42%

[@sitskrieg317]

@@anybody2501 that is so funny

[@1911GreaterThanALL]

Southern border only denies Mexican immigrants...? It is no secret that the U.S. southern border is unguarded. Anyone who wishes to enter illegally and the southern route is convenient uses the southern border.

[@tshirtjay]

The guy at the end sounds like Chris Griffen from Family Guy.

[@michaelcastro9535]

This guy collects samurai swords. I guarantee it.

[@gobilygoop]

So in regards to "chain migration" it's pretty hard for family members of a citizen to get into the country. The citizen has to have a certain level of financial stability. For example: my mother-in-law tried to get her husband citizenship, but was denied because she didn't make enough money

[@Spencerwalker21]

Trumps wife would be out if we got rid of chain migration

[@David-ft3wp]

Well I would say he did as he promised. He was a self esteem boost and definitely made destiny look better.

[@mrfwest]

25:30 - we don't do this - yes we do - well two wrongs... Me- you changed your position.

[@luls9000]

So? He conceded his first argument and made another one instead.

[@BerndXYCV]

cheeky way to get a bit of promo in tbh

[@shanek3453]

Trumps doing Decent so far

[@lemon93]

@@IsaacIsBored only 100,000+ predicted dead yep great job

[@arisrayden]

also hahahah the mere thought of a latin country willingly inviting the us army is ridiculous. only americans who don't know about what their government has done to latin america over the last 70 years or so could believe that they would be welcomed even if their intentions were indeed pure

[@TheMouseAvenger]

But if we're doing it to REVERSE the negative things we supposedly did in Latin America, I think that they would greatly appreciate it. :-)

[@hopedream11]

@@TheMouseAvenger ask the Salvadorians or Guatemalan's or Honduran's how that went for them. They clearly remember what we did but most AMERICANS DON'T ALEAST THE ONES WHO DON'T CARE ANYWAY.

[@dayvie9517]

The debate got really destroyed in this destiny

[@anybody2501]

F I S C A L L Y

[@xyleas2315]

i swear to god i know this guy he goes to my campus and did a presentation on why the border wall was a good idea.

[@crashdown11]

Lol the infant mortality rate stuff is complete bullshit

[@Rachenviel]

Came for the memes. Left with a headache.

[@rockleespartan]

Damn Gary works fast

[@sei636]

our man

[@RationalMind]

On the argument over maternal mortality: Don says that the US includes all deaths up to year following the end of a pregnancy while the UK only counts them 42 days following the end of a pregnancy, and this is the reason why the US rates are higher. To try and support this, he cites stats from the CDC’s Pregnancy Mortality Surveillance System (PMSS) for “pregnancy-related deaths” and then tries to compare it to UK stats. This is always going to be pretty fraught with problems due to differing definition, for example the causes of deaths that are included as being related to the pregnancy - for example, the UK definition include suicide while the US doesn’t. Rather than trying to crudely add up and compare different statistics, doesn’t it make more sense to compare stats that are deliberately counted in a much more similar way in order to be comparable? For instance, Don could have looked up the National Vital Statistics System’s (NVSS) report entitled “Maternal Mortality in the United States: Changes in Coding, Publication, and Data Release, 2018”. This report makes it explicitly clear that while the PMSS counts “pregnancy-related deaths”, the NVSS counts “maternal mortality”, which might sound the same but are quite different. The former counts all deaths within a year of the end of a pregnancy, while the latter counts all deaths within 42 days of the end of a pregnancy - just like the UK’s NHS! This means that the stats from the NVSS are much easier to directly compare to the UK’s stats. This is because both the NVSS are following WHO guidelines specifically so that internal comparisons can be made. These stats are the ones that the WHO uses to produce its rankings, not the PMSS stats, so Don is completely wrong to suggest that organisations like the WHO have been “fooled” by countries using different definitions. So, looking at these statistics, whether from the WHO or the NVSS and NHS reports directly, we find that the US has a maternal mortality rate about 2-2.5 higher than the UK (~19 vs ~8) Remember that these are specific stats about the deaths during or within 42 days of the end of pregnancy, and doesn’t even take into account that the UK seems to be more inclusive in causes of death that it counts, so the real difference may be even higher.

[@fappylp2574]

Land Pirates, with Land Ships!

[@Ostnizdasht206]

As soon as that guy said "Razorfist had a good point" I knew this guy had no idea what he's talking about. I'd recommend watching the debate between him (Razorfist) and Kyle Kulinski. Kyle DEMOLISHES him.

[@spongebob8324]

Just saying America pumped money into Germany after WW2 and that was worth it every penny i would say. Im still so fucking thankfull a winning country was willing to go that step. (If im wrong at any point, pls dont hate me)

[@robobo5000]

Is there a part 2 to this?

[@amateuroverlord8007]

The wall is obviously fiscally stupid. That's why during the campaign he repeatedly said Mexico would pay for the wall. That was a ridiculous lie he only told to sidestep a discussion about how expensive it would be.

[@Dsmith551]

The obvious key question in connection with the mortality rate numbers is what raw data the WHO uses in their formula in creating the rankings, not what the CDC and NHS do to reach the numbers that are listed on their websites. The WHO can take raw data and plug the numbers themselves in a uniform manner so that all nations' data are applied in the same way. I have absolutely no reason to believe that the WHO just uses each nation's numbers listed on their websites to create their rankings, even when the formulas each country uses are different. Otherwise a failing country in Africa or quasi-falling nation in South America which have terrible outcomes could just manipulate data to get to the top of the WHO rankings (e.g., if their formula was to take the number of deaths within one second of birth and use that as their infant / maternal mortality rates).

[@Scardor]

Weird echo on your voice at the end of the video (post talk chat).

[@travishimebaugh8381]

16:45 I must be missing something, because it sounds like this guy is talking about a piracy problem in Niger, a totally landlocked country

[@arisrayden]

ah yes the quick thinking american who knows so much about the usa/mexico issue comes up with the perfectly spanish sounding names of bob and joe -.-

[@rarmachine8364]

I have a buddy who snuck into the US from Mexico and he says the Mexican govt is outgunned by the cartels.

[@XisoLate]

The whole argument of judicial degradation when it came to the wall sounds like an argument from moral objectivity where the judicial system is objectively correct so long there's a law stating what we should do always now and forever.

[@jessiejoy1703]

Anyone else think this guy is a poor man's mister metokur? Lol destiny please debate #internetaristocrat again

[@beesus1412]

wait was this where the "carpet bomb mexico" meme came from? that's such a stretch you'd have to be goddamn helen parr to get to that interpretation of what destiny said

[@turost3034]

Was the Jeff holiday debate uploaded to KZbin? Can't seem to find it.

[@MKotnis]

"If they asked us to send the army, we could have got rid of the cartels. Or they could declare martial law." Clearly this guy has almost literally no understanding of what Mexico is. Mexican cops literally patrol in armored vehicles with machine guns on them. "Every time the US has send foreign aid, it's worked out 'Not Good." Marshall Plan? Africa? US Aid literally rebuilt Europe after ww2.

[@donkeyshow8543]

No sshit. I live in Tijuana. State police patrols in Jeeps with machine guns ready to go. While the municipal cops take an allowance from the cartels. It's practically marshall law for you if you are poor anyway. I am so fucken sick of idiot right wingers who look down on Mexico then say it is not their problem while they stuff their fat fucken faces with all the food grown down here and vote for politicians who make fucked up trade deals that further enslave the poor in maquilas and plantations.It is very much their problem and Trumps way of speaking to Mexico is so beyond wrong.

[@Jonny-cv2hp]

love u destiny. i agree with everthing u say on neally everyone of your debates :D

[@jakob4371]

The dude at 1:01:50 sounds literally as if he's dying

[@guillotinepod9988]

16:30 This is what foreign aid is for. Look at Israel.

[@AronCruise]

Is he not okay with north koreans fleeing north korea as well?

[@BillClay88]

We're fiscally moronic with everything, so con't on. What's another stupid expense?

[@BillClay88]

Hell, just print the money up, what could go wrong? We haven't seen nothing go wrong in 2008.

[@Oring573]

Who is Destiny debating here?

[@beeyaybaracas3240]

He cited razorfist. Done

[@TheDJEON]

You need to call this guy out on sources more.

[@0luckyluca0]

whats with the guy at the end. is he high?

[@boynedmaster]

this is john redcorn

[@kellyrankin8844]

lol..."That sounds really untrue."

[@minky2396]

8:42

[@PineappAlSauce]

The only objection I can see to building a wall at the border is the cost. I don’t understand how anyone can say it won’t reduce the amount of illegal immigration from the south. Also, helping the Mexican government ‘deal with the cartel’ and fix their government in general (as if we aren’t already doing that) will also have a high cost in both dollars and lives. I say we build the wall.

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

The wall would literally cost us at least a trillion to upkeep just within a few decades. Illegal immigration doesn't cost anyone anywhere near that much. And on top of that if we were to spend those hundreds of billions, leading to trillions. Building up our allies would be a way better investment. We don't have to worry about illegal Canadian immigration except a few conservatives whenever they get told they can't discriminate against LGBTQ+ people. Why not work with Mexico's government, various charity organizations, and businesses to help bring Mexico up to that level of stability? The citizens of Mexico and eventually Sourh American nations would benefit, we would benefit from having more productive/stable trade partners, and you wouldn't have to worry about all those brown people you don't want coming in. And this us all without mention how hilariously ineffectual a wall would be in reducing immigration. You are asking to waste trillions of tax dollars on concrete out in the desert just so 11 ft ladder market spikes in value.

[@PineappAlSauce]

@@haruhirogrimgar6047 I agree that a wall is expensive, but so it rebuilding the entire Mexican and South American economy to reduce illegal immigration. The idea that an 11ft ladder is going to help people climb a 30ft wall (like the one designed under the last administration) is laughable. Illegal immigration is expensive and brings in crime. You’re delusional and living in a fantasy world if you think we just fix all of the problems in central and South America, please joins us back in reality.

[@yayo0]

There is no way around illegal immigration. I believe the wall with cause more criminality in Mexico AND the US, also more hostility towards the US. The cartels will use other methods to smuggle immigrants and they will charge more for it so there is only one option for the poor people. DO CRIME. Farming will get you nowhere, getting a job is incredibly hard over there but doing crime is easy, free and will get you enough money to pay the cartels. Mexicans will hate Americans even more for making their country less safe and killing their people. You will have probably a few less immigrants but still enough for you all to notice in your neighborhoods. The only difference is they are now experienced in crime. And the US is not helping fighting the cartels, they're HELPING the cartels. So is the Mexican government. Build the wall, sure, but it's more perfomative than anything.

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

​@@PineappAlSauce How did you genuinely believe in a 30 foot wall just two years ago? Do you want the wall costing as much as social security?

[@PineappAlSauce]

@@haruhirogrimgar6047 re-replying to my comment 3 years later is so strange 😂

[@cmstair]

Destiny is the king of strawman arguments

[@cmstair]

anytime there is a good point is made he says "I guess I don't know" and moves on.

[@Skrebo96]

Destiny got DEEESSTOORRYYYYEEEEEEDDD

[@xXMisterTempestXx]

Just legalize all drugs. That will fix the cartel problem.

[@JonCarlo_]

I really want to talk to Destiny about politics. Im really young(18) and want to see if he can help me sort out ideas. but i dont have a mic FeelsBadMan

[@SeniorShinanigans]

J phone

[@browsertab]

Stop sulking. this guy did very well and destiny has to be better prepared for next time.

[@maddoxfanx]

Destiny would you consider debating Razorfist?

[@RWHsuzuki44]

Just watch the recent Drunken Peasants episode, he's an idiot.

[@LordMichaelRahl]

Let Razorfist rest a while, Kyle ripped him a new one.

[@kuroichan101]

Nooo please. Kyle from secular talk already destroyed him and Kyle has similar views to destiny (but with more stats on hand).

[@lozdbzmario]

kuroichan101 I'd say Kyle is more fiscally liberal than Destiny but they're definitely pretty close.

[@SeniorShinanigans]

I'd rather see a Destiny and Kyle podcast than a debate or whatever. I've actually been wanting this for months.

[@pepe4107]

Can’t you cut out some of the talik8ng in the video.

[@onbored9627]

Cost of wall $15billion - Cost of a single aircraft carrier -$15 billion. Is it worth it? yeah. We don't want to keep messing with other countries systems and meddling in their affairs. A wall is something we can do on our side without having to increase our involvement in foreign countries. We also need to start focusing on better drug rehabilitation systems and help for people that are using drugs. We have basically let them go by the wayside, we need to help our citizens to stop making the poor decisions that incentivize the cartels to sell drugs to our citizens.

[@1911GreaterThanALL]

Producing a tank is dependent on the productivity of your private sector. The military doesn't build tanks they buy them.

[@capacitance4550]

Average number of people caught at the border is around 1000 per day in the Nogales AZ sector alone. Given there is no physical barrier to entry in many places, it's likely that at least that number make it through without being caught per day. The Cartels are often looked upon favorably by Mexican citizens. The Mexican Government is unwilling or unable to police the country, and Cartels often provide security to smaller towns and villages.

[@felipecesar883]

I wish Destiny would talk about new interesting topics, i don't mind hating on trump but it gets old...its gotten old.

[@wutitdo0]

Tell that to literally every late night show host. I'm all for some Trump hate, but my dick is getting sore from all this circle-jerking.

[@jackmitchell5886]

Bill maher literally talks about nothing else.

[@Leinad44]

It'll be old once he's out of office

[@DissentingDogLevi]

Yeah I think Trump is dumb as hell, but so much has happened since the campaign I can't even keep it all straight.

[@bc9554]

7 more years baby

[@TheEndsJustifyTheMemes]

"Ok I will concede to your point but I am pretty sure you are still wrong" Destiny's attitude on debating in a nutshell.

[@Spencerwalker21]

But muh logical fallacies destiny debate opponents

[@seriousbees]

>tfw this ends up being a 1 hour lecture by this guy You have a lot to learn, destiny. A LOT

[@Jrez]

seriousbees did you confuse the names? No need to learn fake news.

[@LareBear-]

54:00 Destiny showing that he doesn't actually listen in these discussions, the guy told him multiple times that the point of reading page 9 on this was to see their definition of Maternal mortality rate was skewed to lower the number where as when we do ours it is more accurate. Just finishing the video, hopefully destiny actually proves him wrong at some point

[@Green815]

That's because the UK numbers include things that the US doesn't include, like Suicide.

[@Spencerwalker21]

@@Green815 ikr typical conservative memes using false misleading data

[@30yearoldmanthatgetsbullie44]

Christian bale from american psycho destroyed destiny in this debate

[@infusedwithsepticpuss]

Yeet