Vaush Confronts Dave Smith For Using Cowardly Argument

Dave Smith VS Vaush HEATED DEBATE On Ukraine, NATO, Nuclear War
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Date: 30 Jun, 2024
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[@destiny]

Dave Smith Gets Mad And Resorts To Insults After Getting Stumped In Libertarian Debate ►kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3bNhqNjhsmZnaM

[@BMA8492]

Soy boy

[@mp1335]

35:20 conveniently omits Russia's breaking of it's 2003 territorial treaty with Ukraine(Treaty on the Russian-Ukrainian border ), (also see "Treaty Between the Russian Federation and Ukraine on Cooperation in the Use of the Sea of Azov and the Kerch Strait "), as well as encroachment on Tuzla island that same year. Russia was aggressively connecting Russian mainland to Ukrainian strategic Crimean territory. Meanwhile when Yanukovich was in power, he simply extended Russia's right to host their military in Crimea from 2017(when the original lease on Sevastopol base ends) to 2042 despite all that (of course). Then, when ultimately people are furious at him due to his blocking of possibilities of trade with EU and of course, he flees immediately and where to but Russia.

[@TheDreadPirateRoberts-jr2fk]

Hahaha Destiny doing the RFK solo debate. Vaush made an absolute fool of himself.

[@KRSapphire]

​@BMA8492 wow so edhey commenting soy boy over and over again . Off yourself you don't deserve air

[@coonhound_pharoah]

Destiny in relationships: I trust everything you say. You would never lie to me. Destiny /gets hurt Destiny about politics: I trust everything the mainstream media and the government say. They would never lie to me. Sorry ya'll but Steven has the reasoning capacity of a 16 year old.

[@shibasaurus322]

Sorry guys, Ukraine cant win, Russia has over 2 Brazillion power in Rise of Kingdoms.

[@herotrueblue5704]

Damn… it’s joever 😔😔😔😔

[@shanemac1646]

Remember destiny and voosh were big russiagters? And the Russians “stole our election and meddled in it”? These two bozos batting solid 0

[@roryyoung5118]

BRAZIL MENTIONED!!!🎉🎉🎉🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷 BRAZILL NUMERO ONE!!!!!

[@LoudWaffle]

cant biben just refill zelenisiki's credit card like my mom does??

[@Ziajin]

so youre saying my siege main wont stand a chance? :(

[@alexd4566]

Vaush and Destiny acting like they secretly don’t want to blow each other’s backs out. So cute

[@korysovec]

I like to think that they do want to blow each other.

[@bigdadybojangls9219]

Well, destiny isn’t a drawing of a 9 year old anime girl, so I don’t think vaush would be interested 😓

[@American_Trekkie]

Lmao

[@SuperSkillzify]

Bridge restored??

[@Imperial_Squid]

Love a good friends to enemies to mutuals to enemies to mutuals to colleagues to lovers story line

[@JoeBidenFanclub99]

Vaush horse destiny name

[@hartyewh1]

Succinct

[@seanmurphy2365]

VUsh fat

[@resir9807]

Ha (I laughed at this joke efficiently)

[@venom-gt7rc]

Not wasting any time, I like it

[@TimeattackGD]

when the reference to a joke is the joke (gets even funnier when you realize that this is 99% of all humour atm)

[@micmack1006]

Damn you know I was pritty pro Ukrainian up until now but then some one informed me that the Iraq war happened for the 192nd time today so now I think we must recreate the Warsaw Pact.

[@shibasaurus322]

I’m still hanging in there but I think if I hear that US foreign policy is mean and bad another 77 times, I may have to consider the idea that maybe, chamberlain style appeasement could actually deliver Peace in Our Time ™️

[@elingrome5853]

Warsaw pact? Nah, how about not trying to goad Russia into WWIII?

[@johnd1047]

😭😭😭😭absolutely amazing.

[@TheDreadPirateRoberts-jr2fk]

Are you unaware how much you guys bring up chamberlain? Waaaaaay more than anyone brings up Iraq.

[@kyranadrian]

@@shibasaurus322 the TM at the end killed me

[@epileptix8954]

Why are they debating between an always-angry-faced lady, and Tucker Carlson at home?

[@marykateandnoashley]

tucker carlson at home 😭😭😭

[@BTLM1917]

I like the angry faced lady

[@adrian-dragosbalaban6401]

they're holding the goalposts from shifting

[@ightimmaheadout290]

Temu Tucker Carlson

[@simonlegosson7082]

I am a simple man. If I see a video starring the angry debate guy and the funny horse man, I click that video.

[@matthew-dq8vk]

You're not funny.

[@simonlegosson7082]

@@matthew-dq8vk I know

[@michaellovitt8497]

​@@simonlegosson7082you are funny

[@johnd1047]

@@matthew-dq8vkI enjoyed it🤷‍♂️

[@WiloPolis03]

​@@simonlegosson7082You're funny and don't let anyone tell you otherwise

[@EE-jp5ev]

Its time for 2 hours of regretfully praising Vaush's debate performance. I'm glad Vaush finally stopped phoning in his debate performances and really put some work into this one.

[@bigdadybojangls9219]

Turns out all you need to do to get lefties to start defending their stances is to expose them for liking loli

[@FJaypewpew]

We can give him his dues, but can never forggetti about AGUA

[@EE-jp5ev]

@@FJaypewpew never forget Aquagate

[@zdubzz1280]

⁠@@FJaypewpew ngl I don’t understand the hate over the Agua conversation. Destiny literally has the exact same position. He says humans decide what things are. “Things” don’t have inherent value that transfers amongst cultures.

[@jackofalltrades8]

​@@zdubzz1280 The difference is that Destiny doesn't deny that the underlying things DO still exist. In the water case, the professor was trying to get Vaush to see that no matter what you call it, the h2o does still exist. Destiny agrees with that. Social constructed categories can exist while real things still exist underneath

[@louie3216]

Vaush’ only redeeming factor is that he’s not a “West bad” lefty

[@Norms_Ghost]

I also enjoy his plantation owner accent

[@OhWellWhatTheHell1]

There's stuff I dislike about him as a person but he's got like 70-80% good opinions on politics, etc.

[@kylerBD]

Its sad that this is such a rare trait among lefties

[@sammatthew2841]

Acknowledging your own country does just as bad stuff as any other country like china or Russia is not a "west bad" position.

[@yung-tuwei2284]

If you think lefties are the ones that think "west bad" you should listen to some conservatives talk about women, minorities and LGBT 😆

[@MrDana93]

He realises you join nato voluntarily right?

[@RJLiams]

I honestly don't think these "America Bad" types do realize that.

[@krombopulos_michael]

I think if anyone probed him on that, he'd fall back on CIA supervillain theories. They didn't actually want to join but the CIA or whatever forced or tricked them into joining because NATO is just the American empire

[@authenticallysuperficial9874]

No, you don't. Have you ever been asked whether you would like to join nato or not?

[@RJLiams]

@@authenticallysuperficial9874 Sweden and Finland have. Multiple times. Yet they still refused and nothing happened to them.

[@WiloPolis03]

What, like us personally?​@@authenticallysuperficial9874

[@imoutofnames1]

"Why can NATO expand but not Russia?"... oh idk, maybe because NATO is a defensive alliance and countries voluntarily join and are still their own sovereign country. When Russia expands they just take over neighboring countries... if you can't see the difference you're too smooth brained to even talk about this.

[@Samson484]

Lol Russia tried to join NATO and we said no. Why do you think that is big brain?

[@FloUwUer]

you know, as someone from Poland i'm really not a big fan of that appeasement tactic. You know, i feel like it wasnt even 100 years since my country was used for the good ol "give up territory, insane dictator will chill out" trick, and guys, as far as i remember my history classes, that move was really bad

[@Thor12233]

Real

[@stardestroyer19]

Polska Mentioned

[@seraphimconcordant]

Poland didn't give up Danzig tho, they literally refused and got their shit kicked in because they thought they could win. Absolute disaster. Maybe you should have tried appeasement.

[@Thor12233]

@@seraphimconcordant you clearly dont know history. Britain and france tried appeasment for whole ass 6 yearfrom 1933-1939 they gave germany everything he wanted. They gave hitler austria. Then in 1938 sudetanland. Germany broke the agreement and still invaded chechoslovakia. What do you think hitlers plans were for poland? Do you think he would have stopped at poland? Also keeo in mind and almost no one mentions this hitler also stole memel from lithuania. Poland did the only thing they could do. Which is to defend their territory and fight back.

[@TriNguyen-he7xk]

@@seraphimconcordant what do you think would have happened with appeasement? "Oh shit I didn't think you were so chivalrous Poland as a show of respect we won't take your territory" Do you expect them to react with jojo honour logic?

[@jaredmello]

Dave spoke for 80% of this and constantly complained about being interrupted. Obnoxious. He basically just wanted to monologue.

[@JediDude23]

Mr girl but dumber

[@iskanderaga-ali3353]

Destiny vaush loyalists are going to have a field day with this

[@kayvee256]

As if vaush loyalists have ever seen a field. :P (jokes, obiously)

[@--.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.2508]

@@kayvee256 that's where the horses are

[@shanustheanus]

The unfunny one from Legion of Skanks vs Destinys most autistic orbiter. What is this universe and how do I get back to my own?!

[@whiscashofficial9325]

I think you mean least autistic

[@abletobeconfused]

Why is Dave smith being asked to have these conversations? Who tf is this guy

[@Pookie706]

One of, if not the most prominent member of the libertarian movement.

[@Thesirissacbnutting]

Id never heard of him until he clowned Destiny to the point it obviously hurt his feelings. It’s insane how mad Destiny is about it.

[@Thesirissacbnutting]

@@mntwinsfan1988 Not talking about anyone’s positions, just saying Destiny was obviously butt hurt about Dave making fun of him. Personally think they’re both cringe and have no actual beliefs, they’re just trying to appeal to fans. Looks like it’s working.

[@marekb1556]

​@@Thesirissacbnutting I think that when someone goes straight for your wife and relationships publicly while explaining why he will never talk to you, you are allowed to be mad. It's even okay to be mad then.

[@coonhound_pharoah]

@@marekb1556 Destiny's naive political beliefs have everything to do with his naive relationship habits. Obviously you're going to have a bunch of shitty relationships when you're willing to look past blatant lies and still trust the other person.

[@whodis3560]

Man as a europoor I am ever grateful that the US is at least trying to “police” the world. I mean who else should it be? The US has the largest economy and best military in the world and in addition has close ties with literally almost the entirety of Europe as well as having strong reliable allies in Asia and Oceania. Be proud murica bros. Don’t let the restarted tell you otherwise. I wish my country was more like yours but all I can do is vote and protect our neighbors and allies so they can too.

[@beans69beans]

I’m Canadian (basically half europoor, half murican) and I agree. America may not be perfect, but at least they share our values of a democratic system and protect global trade. I also support Canada meeting its NATO spending target, we have less population so can’t contribute as much as the USA, but it’s still an alliance and we should be meeting our obligations. Love my American and European brothers and sisters 🇨🇦🇺🇸🇪🇺

[@lydiawilder5996]

It's bad because you should want complete liberty at self determination. You shouldn't accept any kind of imperialism that will impose values on you or your country that you don't hold.

[@venom-gt7rc]

@@lydiawilder5996 The US kind of imposed its values on Germany after WW2 and we have been mostly fine with it, tbh

[@JustinianCharter-ie9bk]

​@@lydiawilder5996 hey if imperialism leads to the benefit for both parties, whats the prob

[@Extracredittttt]

​@@venom-gt7rcthey said values that "you don't hold" So your response doesn't make sense. Based on what they said, of course they support stopping Nazi Germany

[@vishg5148]

Vowsh good?

[@vegasnotthecity]

Dave Smith avoiding Destiny to debate Destiny-Lite

[@quicklycrapyourpants]

Dude its wild. Internet tough guys just can't stop showing their ass lol.

[@SillyGoose2024]

It's less filling and half the calories

[@fukumei]

Destiny-Lite is too much praise for Vaush

[@vegasnotthecity]

@@fukumei yeah lol, hes only destiny-lite on a few issues

[@real.mir_]

@@fukumeiLol, stop hating on that man 😂😂😂🤦‍♂️

[@wisekodiak2668]

Watching this discussion because I no longer want to support breaking points.

[@afluffywhitekitty8589]

It triggers me so hard how nobody can fucking pronounce VAUSH correctly.

[@DDDarwin27]

Irishladdie

[@bajsmongo2000]

Ye it's pronounced "horsefucker"

[@antifascistamerican3782]

*Vaowsh*

[@mikoajciemiega8018]

Wołsz

[@RaRd8z]

who gives a shit?

[@wisemage0]

Vaush is done horsing around.

[@jacksonburns5222]

These intro bits are becoming more and more like a trailer for some reality TV show

[@Colbycrab]

Dave Smith: Blathers for five minutes straight. Vaush: Starts to speak. Dave Smith: STOP INTERRUPTING ME! I can't stand Dave Smith. But his 70 IQ points he has does make him the smartest Libertarian.

[@FightSportTalk]

Are you serious? Vaush interrupts everyone he disagrees every two seconds, insults them and then cries when they finally push back. The guy is a scumbag.

[@micmack1006]

Vaush is a “definitely above age short stack goblin” name

[@hunterlurvey698]

You leave shortstack goblins out of this

[@MyTomServo]

goblin deeze nuts

[@infinite1483]

Based goblin enjoyer

[@Ed-en8br]

Leave destiny out of this

[@deadpoolrocks2654]

I mean.. aren't all goblins short? I feel like I'm missing some context here

[@ReleaseMyKrakken]

So his opening is basically.... Russia does whatever it wants because we should never fight Russia 🤦

[@beophobic9653]

Gay stank {this isn’t real life}

[@Hrotiberhtaz]

Isolationist Libertarianism takes for granted that things like states, sovereignty and human dignity just exists as axiomatic in subconsciously and that people will just allow others to act however they want as long as they step on others people foots. They tend to forget that US Liberalism only exist because 1: They got aided from several foreign powers to actually gain liberty and 2: they actually had to step on the foots of both native Americans, Spain and the UK in order to "gain it", proving that neither sovereignty or the concept that friendly isolationism don't step on people's feet is a axiomatic state. These ideas comes from a time before nuclear submarines carrying nuclear weapons, satellites, jet engines etc and aren't applicable to modern times. It's a dead idealistic political philosophy thinking you're able to sit safe on a island and do your own thing because there's just such a large distance between you and your potential adversaries that you can't provoke anyone. In reality there are several submarine in both the Pacific and Atlantic able to take out a 6th of US population within 3-4 minutes at any given time. Dave argues heavily from the perspective of Mearshiemer, who's IR perspective is so out of date with the contemporary that it's ridiculous. The one thing where Mearshiemer actually is correct, which is military deterrence, is for some reason the only point Dave doesn't seem to agree with him.

[@jakedemaggio8649]

That’s what you got from that?!? 😂

[@jakedemaggio8649]

@@Hrotiberhtazand no one is reading that..

[@Hrotiberhtaz]

@@jakedemaggio8649 Some will.

[@aegorrivers6700]

I never thought I'd hear a libertarian defend Putin so much

[@garythecyclingnerd6219]

Libertarians are the most unserious and unprincipled people. Try to pin them down and all they want is the US but they don’t pay any taxes and have all the power.

[@Senpatriarch]

This dude is a Libertarian in name only I swear to god. Especially after he got BTFO by a Christian nationalist and couldn’t articulate NAP/natural rights for shit

[@whenpigsfly8178]

I love how the US seems to have forgotten that sending missiles into Russia might not work out in terms of a potential nuclear war, if things are pushed far enough..

[@justanotherwitposter1875]

​@@whenpigsfly8178why are we pretending Russia is the only country with nukes? You can't wave around a big gun and expect to be able to just do whatever you want, especially when there are a bunch of other people around with big guns.

[@brandons9027]

All libertarians are just fascist in denial

[@robertturni2845]

Saying invaded in 2022 is so disingenuous when Russia undeniably invaded Ukraine in 2014 and stole Crimea.

[@seraphimconcordant]

Oh boo fucking hoo

[@p.d.stanhope7088]

Russia invaded it's neighbors a dozen times after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. Hence, the expansion of NATO among Eastern European nations that qualified for membership. 1. Georgian Civil War (1991) 2. War in Transnistria (1992) 3. War in East Prigorodny (1992) 4. War in Abkhazia (1993) 5. Civil War in Tajikistan (1993-97) 6. First Chechen War (1994-96) 7. War of Dagestan (1999) 8. Second Chechen War (1999-2009) 9. Russo-Georgian War (2008) 10. War in Ingushetia (2007) 11. Insurgency in Northern Caucasus (2009-Present) 12. Russo-Ukrainian War (2014-Present)

[@HistoricaHungarica]

But not China. Take this fact how you want.

[@attilamarics3374]

Hal fof these arent even invasions, not to mention a lot of them werent started by Russia.

[@dakkagaming671]

Cool list, a bunch of conflicts and events that didn't threaten the US or NATO's existence.

[@Bouncebeatz1]

​@dakkagaming671 that's the point, if they were in nato war wouldn't have happened are you saying non-nato deserved to get invaded?

[@civilwarguy4740]

Half of these conflicts were inside of Russia lol

[@EE-jp5ev]

its STAGGERING to me how dishonest Ryan Grim is in this video. Like he's not just worng in this video, he's actively lying. There wss not an attack on the Crimean beach - a missle was intercepted and the missle landed on the beach. After it was stopped

[@thisishappening7273]

Holy fuck I just got to this part as I saw your comment. I didn’t think I could have any less respect for him, especially after the dishonest sourcing of that intercept article about the NYT. “Slaughter of civilians” to describe missile debris falling is absolutely sick. Then he follows up with “why don’t we help Putin and stop fighting right away so he can be punished less and start genociding Ukrainians and press ganging them into the Russian military sooner…by the way there’s no threat of Russia invading further East because reasons” Fuck him.

[@ranondo92]

He would have demanded Russia to surrender to the Nazis

[@Thor12233]

He would have been the person advocating for hitler to take all of europe as long as war can be avoided

[@vesuvius2444]

Acting like Ukraine has 0 chance of winning is so odd. There are many historical examples of smaller countries fighting off invasions. Including countries that have successfully fought off Russia.

[@Collabcreatemarketing]

The wars gone on for 2 years we don't need abstract theories we can look at the situation

[@josiahclarke3535]

Like Vietnam 😎

[@krombopulos_michael]

​@@Collabcreatemarketinghow long did the war in Vietnam last? What about the US or Soviet wars in Afghanistan? How many large scale wars between nations were over in 2 years?

[@rocketsniper8726]

Vowsh W

[@ZFohrman]

Dave Smith sounds like Russian propaganda.

[@rickarmstrong9660]

You imperialists confuse "Russian propaganda" with something that sensible rational people call the TRUTH.

[@bentendo9474]

He himself makes the point quite often how people are unable to see the distinction between Russian propaganda and simply listening to what Russia’s demands are. Also, all of Dave’s sources are American intelligence sources, none are Russian sources other than maybe quotes Putin has made which I think most people would consider important. I can see how Dave comes off as a Russian propagandist to people consuming content with a Ukrainian bias

[@ZFohrman]

@@bentendo9474 You're just as clueless as he is.

[@josiahclarke3535]

@@bentendo9474it’s difficult to not have a Ukrainian bias when they are the country with millions of refugees, obliterated cities, and at risk of losing their entire cultural identity to a bully state that sees them like fish that slipped their hook in the 90s.

[@coonhound_pharoah]

@@ZFohrman Spotted the CIA bot.

[@B-Nice]

Destiny’s take on Dave Smith is just like the Iraq War 💣

[@deriznohappehquite]

Vaush’s argument with Dave was more one sided than the Highway of Death.

[@youtubeviolatedme7123]

This video is like the Iraq War: it's longer than most people want it to be, but it still somehow feels incomplete

[@fantasyskeep]

It's not Russian business to decide who gets to join what alliances.

[@garythecyclingnerd6219]

Russia invading was the biggest advertisement for NATO since Cuba

[@fantasyskeep]

@@garythecyclingnerd6219 10,000% Need a reason? We got one.

[@owabowa]

​@@garythecyclingnerd6219How did Cuba legitimize NATO?

[@BritJim]

"America the most aggressive and violent power in the world ever" *laughs in british/mongolian/Chinese/abassid/etc.*

[@matsab7930]

The British who literally owned over a quarter of the world at some point lmao. These people are utter clowns…

[@tylerloving7132]

If we were half as bad as they say the entire world would be speaking murican

[@adamgates1142]

@tylerloving7132 You mean English?

[@BritJim]

@adamgates1142 no, American and English are distinct languages, related by a common linguistic ancestor. The world speaks English because of the empire, but many countries speak American by cultural influence

[@iiiiiiiiiiiiililiiiiio]

there are a lot of evil empire, but no country is as sly as the US. the US have NSA , CIA , FBI , IRA , FEMA . and have recored history of destabilizing countries to gain resources and geopolitics. dont even get me started with Black Ops and Delta Force activities.

[@dant3175]

Vaush is excellent here. He seems much more informed about the conflict than most Americans.

[@HAHAHAHAHAHAHA278]

America world police is the best option in my eyes especially since we seem to be pretty respectful of other countries beliefs outside the occasional soldier going awol because he doesn’t like seeing child slaves

[@francisxavier8374]

you say that, but you guys are very likely to put trump in the driving seat for the next 4 years so... idk

[@HAHAHAHAHAHAHA278]

@@francisxavier8374 yeah and in my opinion who better to be in charge of the world police than a tough felon

[@Rokaize]

@@francisxavier8374Donald Trump isn’t a Warhawk. He’s the opposite in fact. Which still makes him awful at foreign policy

[@lungbarrow639]

Facepalm. Just….facepalm reading this comment.

[@holy1to325]

The soviets were absolutely not the reason Japan surrendered. The emperor explicitly cited the nuclear bombs.

[@novac1990]

Kinda. Japan was holding out for the soviet union to help leverage more advantageous surrender terms with the US. Such as the hope they would be able to keep all of the conquered land in China and other parts of asia, immunity for the emperor and various other things. When the Stalin declared war on Japan they knew nothing but a total unconditional surrender was there only option. The atomic bombings played a large role aswell but not as much as people might think. The fire bombings that had happend previously that were not atomic in some cases were even more devastating do to having largely wooden infrastructure in housing and businesses. This resulted in massive fire storms that quickly destroyed vast areas spreading much farther then where the bombs were dropped at a speed that is terrifying. When they lost there navy and aircraft carriers thus losing the ability to reach and destroy US aircraft carriers it was just a matter of time before they were bombed to hell with or without the nuke. The atom bomb definitely played a role especially when one bomber with a nuke could now do the damage of fifty standard bombers before (that may be a exageration tho). But creating nukes at that time was very expensive just refining the nuclear materials took allot of money and man hrs.

[@holy1to325]

@@novac1990 in the time it took you to type that you could have just read the statement from the Emperor announcing surrender. If you had done that you would see nukes are mentioned explicitly with no mention of the soviets. When you say Japan was holding out hope the soviets would help them get more favorable terms, that necessarily means the soviet declaration was not needed for an unconditional surrender. If the soviets simply didnt exist, there would have been no hope to hold out for. If the US didnt exist, Japan would own the pacific right now. Japan surrendered because of the nukes. Everyone knew this at the time (because, you know, it was explicitly stated) and attempts to somehow pretend it isn't true are just revisionist history.

[@novac1990]

@holy1to325 Maybe your right. I just wanted to add what I've gathered in the past few years reading and studying up on the pacific theatre. It felt good to add some (what I felt like) interesting information to the discussion.

[@holy1to325]

@@novac1990 that is fair enough. I apologize if i came off as hostile. This is a subject i feel strongly about because, while you may have had no intention to do this, the extension of the thought "japan surrendered because of the soviets" is almost always "thats why America was really being genocidal and evil when they nuked Japan". It sounds absurd to say, but the nukes likely saved millions of lives. The invasion/defense of the home islands was going to be absolutely brutal and it is a good thing that we were able to avoid that outcome. Also, listening to Dave Smith talk just gets me heated.

[@novac1990]

@holy1to325 I agree I think dropping a the nukes was very appropriate almost anything to dissuade a full scale invasion that America did not want because of the death tolls on both sides would have been astronomical. The only surrender Japan was willing to give up that point was never going to be accepted by the Allies. I think when creating "Operation Downfall" the invasion plan they estimated over 1 million in US casualties when the war had already taken 49,000 US troops. The Japenes soldier themselves very very rarely surrendered and Japan had 3.5 million they could pool in a short time at there homeland. Based off past battles where almost all the Japanese fought to the last man or unalived themselves they were confident that would have to kill most of that 3.5 million and no telling how many civilians would die. It would have been a much more terrible loss of life than the nukes or the fire bombings. Luckily Japan unconditionally surrendered.

[@kinglarry3727]

Based on the archetype alone, Smith and Hassan must be fraternal twin brothers separated at birth.

[@LaptopmenaceMTK]

if you're talking about reason vs insanity i'd agree. i think we all know who the insane one is

[@angelantayhua3096]

@@LaptopmenaceMTKSmith on Israel and nothing more. Hasan as deranged as his is still generally correct.

[@zack49]

they're both dumb and dishonest. hasan should box hyde

[@jackeagleeye3453]

Dave Smith is incapable of making an argument here outside of "here is why the US is bad"

[@bluberrybrit]

It’s ironic how he has an American flag in the background but can do nothing else than glazing Putin and Russia. I’m not against criticizing America for all its flaws, but he literally supports every single anti America ideology.

[@Jake-bt3fc]

@@bluberrybrit Apparently not wanting to fight a proxy war over eastern european bs is "glazing" lmao.

[@AirHeadPod]

​@@Jake-bt3fc imagine thinking a superpower invading a country on its border as bs lol holy hell

[@Horny_Fruit_Flies]

@@Jake-bt3fc It's not a proxy war. Russia is directly involved. Ukraine asked for help to defend its sovereignty against a fascist invader. We help them. That is good.

[@Jake-bt3fc]

@@AirHeadPod Imagine thinking every single time a country gets invaded we need to start ww3

[@bajsmongo2000]

Dude doesnt wantnto debate a streamer who hd an open relationship but gladly got in the ring with an equestrian connossieur

[@monkusaugustus4017]

Remember when the NATO bombers flattened Warsaw before the NATO armies blitzed through the country with the goal to expand NATO by annexing other countries? Me neither

[@josiahclarke3535]

What about when America pushed tanks into Mexico to take the Chihuahua state after claiming those people would prefer to be Americans? Crazy times.

[@anonoway3045]

@@josiahclarke3535eeeehhh. U think texas, arizona, cali or by all means new mexico, always belonged to the US?

[@monkusaugustus4017]

@@anonoway3045 if you gotta go back to the 1800s you know you've lost the argument

[@coonhound_pharoah]

@@monkusaugustus4017 If you gotta reference Nazis, you've lost the argument.

[@monkusaugustus4017]

@@coonhound_pharoah except i did not reference the Nazis? Are you genuinely illiterate?

[@beholder99]

Is Dave Smith literally reading from a script? Im watching his eyes and that looks like hes just reading off of something

[@Jake-bt3fc]

He probably has notes? You can't script a debate unless everybody is in on it.

[@Bouncebeatz1]

They got people to feed info of course, everyone does it just by following their eyes you can tell but also notes 📝

[@thisishappening7273]

He’s reading all the Russian propaganda he has written down that sounds good due to having Mearsheimer brain combined with being a fake “radical libertarian”

[@bean-pod]

@beholder99 Nah, Smith stares like that because he realized he ate too many prunes

[@pedrob7374]

Such an anti amarican guy with an amarican flag behind him is mind-boggling

[@Collabcreatemarketing]

Are you saying america equals it's forgein policy? That's the truly anti American take. To reduce the entire nation to its few people making foreign policy

[@stunymkcil7733]

lol what?

[@stardestroyer19]

​@@stunymkcil7733Arguing for the US to actively neglect it's foreign interests and allow it's enemies to do whatever they want is anti American.

[@lungbarrow639]

Yeah being critical of the disastrous foreign policy of the America government is sooooo anti American…when the hell did Destiny’s fan base become inundated with neocons?

[@stardestroyer19]

@@lungbarrow639 Iraq PTSD strikes again. America's Foreign policy hasn't been bad with regards to Ukraine.

[@jaredmello]

Dave spoke for 80% of this and constantly complained about being interrupted. Obnoxious. He basically just wanted to monologue.

[@soyuzsovietsky]

We need Destiny or Vaush or whoever else to do a nuclear strategy arc so bad…every single time a debate includes a discussion of nuclear strategy, at least one person says some ridiculous shit. This time it was pretty much confined to Smith, but it’s ubiquitous in Russia/Ukraine debates.

[@naitsirhc2065]

Destiny doesn't know how to argue from any position other than incredulity

[@thegoldenpepper8702]

Another movie length video with no timestamps

[@SirVer51]

The sheer audacity of Dave Smith to claim that he's being constantly interrupted when he's the one who's been speaking for like 90% of this

[@FullMetalAtheist]

Dave Smith using a cowardly argument, I look and see that he's a Libertarian, makes sense and checks out.

[@reformedbroski8988]

“Libertarian” Conservative basically.

[@rickarmstrong9660]

I detest libertarians and libertarianism, but on this issue he is spot on.

[@adamgates1142]

Nobody who supported a president with dementia for five years gets to mock anybody else's politics.

[@Rokaize]

@@rickarmstrong9660Explain

[@RaRd8z]

Why does Destiny hate Libertarians? He agree with them on a lot of topics. He certainly agrees with them more than he agrees with socialists.

[@Substantial-hf1rm]

This fanbase confuses me because everyone is quick to make pdf jokes at Vaush for cartoons (still gross) but is also defensive of Dr.Disrespect, who involved an actual minor.

[@Extracredittttt]

It's spite-based ethics for a lot of these people

[@mariomario1462]

How is it gross? What does pdf mean?

[@leseulgian]

Almost like you can hold the position that pedophilia is bad AND joke about it at the same time, crazy right? Also, being with a minor doesnt necessarily equal pedophile. Pedophile means being attracted to pre-pubescent kids which is what vaush was caught looking at (animated btw, not real kids). Furthermore, everyone (including destiny) agrees that talking to a minor is bad, its just not the end of the world unless we get more information on docs case because we have no idea currently if it was some 13 year old or 17 year old. Before anyone uses the retarded argument of "well they're both bad" yeah no shit, but one is much worse than the other.

[@atomm3331]

Both are gross but only one is evil.

[@mariomario1462]

@@atomm3331 what's gross?

[@colinofay7237]

Any hasan fan could never accept what steve did here, accept that vaush gave a good argument regarding the bay of pigs part. Im glad destiny is able to not let stuff get in the way of recognising a good point from vaush.

[@mynamesnotjustiniswear4039]

Fr it kinda destroys the argument that hasan makes when he says “he sends his malignant fanbase after anyone in his crosshairs” and he can’t say it changed bc destiny always gave vaush props

[@angelantayhua3096]

@@mynamesnotjustiniswear4039disagree with Destiny sending fans because his dedicated fanbase are too sociopathic to be sent off by Destiny.

[@StankyTheKlown]

It definitely makes me respect destiny more when he reacts to people he generally disagrees with and does not like with fair takes/compliments amidst the criticisms. Like that one guy that called him a coomer gremlin, Destiny respected that guys way of thinking as well, and same goes for when he then reacted to Destiny’s vid.

[@garywebb2432]

@@StankyTheKlown you mean big poppa facist lmaoo aka andrew

[@papercitadel4221]

First dave gets embarrassed by andrew and now even vaush is pressuring him to his max lol

[@PhenGoon]

That was a sick intro genuinely 😎

[@matthewmendoza2593]

I really liked the intro on this one, the angle with destiny cut with the video looked really good

[@PattyPlayss]

I know I’m a very small channel but I’d love to have a 15-20 minute or however much time destiny could sacrifice to do an interview. I get very confused on certain points he makes and how he has come to his conclusions.

[@TheBoringOldMe]

I think he’s usually down to do quick things even for a small channel like yourself

[@xxstormvvHD]

Yeah that’d be awesome, I feel like I need clarification on some of his views!

[@TheOmniLiberalStudios]

Try reaching out to him via email

[@PattyPlayss]

@@TheOmniLiberalStudios I didn’t see his email in his links. Idk if I missed it but I see like Facebook and Instagram.

[@PattyPlayss]

@@TheOmniLiberalStudiosI actually found it on his Instagram and just shot him an email! Thanks for the advice!

[@johnz1029]

No timestamps 😢

[@Jompe69]

Vaush fortress arc over finally?

[@HistoricaHungarica]

He charged out from it with a horse

[@Jompe69]

​@@HistoricaHungaricaNo he wants to be the horse who charges out

[@donpurple5336]

@@Jompe69be with*

[@killercaos123]

Vorse has had a pretty consistent view on the Ukraine-Russian war going back to the start. Nothing new here

[@hjge1012]

Horse aficionado VS Guy who loves children's books.

[@-Sparagmos-]

How is this guy a comedian? By what possible measure?

[@jloiben12]

Remember everyone. When someone copes and seethes over the possibility of nuclear war, all they are doing is using talking points that are 6 and 25 years out of date Russian forces have directly fought the American military in battle. War has been fought between two nuclear powers. Whenever you hear people like David talk about nuclear war like this, what they are saying is they don’t know what they are talking about in their best Chamberlain impersonation

[@rickarmstrong9660]

That is without a doubt the dumbest comment I have seen so far. If you are not aware of and afraid of how close we are to the very brink of WW3, and even a miscommunication could set off a launch of nuclear missiles from one side or the other, you are a complete fool. And not only that, but we are not in good hands, as we were with JFK during the Cuban Missile Crisis, who did everything he could to come to a NEGOTIATED settlement. Today, we are being led by outright war hawks who are rattling their sabers and looking for any excuse to actually go to war with Russia or China, and there are even some military "experts" who are calling for a "limited" nuclear attack.

[@adamgates1142]

A. This is not the same thing B. Russia was totally bluffing about invading Ukraine... until it wasn't.

[@jloiben12]

@@adamgates1142 (1) “This is not the same thing.” War between nuclear powers isn’t the same thing as war between nuclear powers…? I get you are too immature to have this conversation, but you can do better than this. (2) “Russia was totally bluffing about invading Ukraine… until it wasn’t.” Wtf are you talking about? America was screaming on the top of its lungs for MONTHS beforehand that Putin was going to invade Ukraine in his illegal and illegitimate war. We predicted the start of the war to within a week. How can Russia be “bluffing” when we were telling the world exactly what they were about to do…? The last time the start of a war was this accurately predicted was Desert Storm, when we literally gave a deadline to Iraq before we’d act. You can do better than lying

[@cameronharrison9835]

The intro transitions are getting better and better, so slick now

[@StonedSpartan]

It's so frustrating to watch Destiny and Vaush agree on most issues, but then turn around and shit on each other constantly.

[@AnthonyCheeseborough]

I would not say they agree on most things lol not by a long shot

[@fsh_outta_wtr]

Vousch always starts it if you actually look at the receipts V is the one that needs to be convinced to shake hands. D just wants him to stop being a spineless slime slandering his side of things

[@Bori.1776]

Well, if Vaush wasn’t so bad taste and a literal pathological liar there wouldn’t be an issue. It doesn’t matter if you agree on issues, if your character as a human sucks then no one wants to be by your side.

[@RaRd8z]

Vaush is an authoritarian socialist. Why would Destiny agree with him?

[@silverdeathgamer2907]

Destiny does that alot with non-orbiters he seems very jaded from his interactions with the left as a whole so he tends to view the points others make and their intentions in the worst possible light. Which I get with someone like Hasan but it can be frustrating when he applies that to the entire left.

[@akyra231]

Seeing Vaush actually crush someone in a debate feels like a neat throwback somehow. I know pandora's box can't be closed and we know forever that Vaush is kind of a charlatan, but it still feels cozy and nostalgic to see him actually making great points against someone.

[@TiocfaidhArLa34]

People need to look at what russia did in Chechnya before going full vatnik.

[@Clos_Goldstienburg-III]

2024 is giving me this weird butterfly feeling in my tummy tum. I believe we will get a cordial discussion between, Vaush & Her Majesty Destiny

[@francisxavier8374]

very big "macron allying with the commies against the far right" energy

[@legimathigayon]

I'm torn. I hate Dave Smith and Vaush so much. I don't know who to hate more.

[@mennowolters3359]

hello fellow early DDG'ers

[@louie3216]

🤘

[@goosygrower419]

ratio

[@Doctorstix]

@@goosygrower419l mans

[@XavierKhrone]

@@goosygrower419 No 😎

[@runelt99]

It's 2024, no ers pls

[@caseymckenzie4760]

Destiny has never heard a cia talking point he desagreed with. Why is that?

[@WhiteBuffaloWakanGli]

Dave Smith is a classic example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

[@armassilenciosasparaguerra1668]

. Wrong. Destiny does.

[@DoctorAgita]

It's been a rough month for Dave. Surprised it took this long, he was clearly out of his depth on Rogan - not that he would get called on it there.

[@areichental]

The breaking points comments section is a tragedy.

[@johnniiee146]

Smart of Smith to take on Vaush before deciding to fight the final boss. In Mortal Kombat terms, Vaush is Shang Tsung to Destiny's Shao Kahn. Solid test of his might. 🤔

[@opensocietyenjoyer]

Dave Smith just got shit on by every side of the political compass.

[@TheAllMattural]

Someone needs to set up bingo boards for these

[@Jake-sg1xr]

Dave seems to not understand that the best defense is actually a strong offense.

[@lungbarrow639]

When did Destiny’s fan base become inundated with neocon warhawks like this galaxy brain?

[@Jake-sg1xr]

@@lungbarrow639You were probably bullied a lot huh

[@and_the_first_last]

@@lungbarrow639 "The best defense is a good offense" has been objectively true since the Cold War started

[@dickenstom]

Interesting I wonder if Hitler had the same ideology

[@supernoob17]

Friendship nation rise up strong 💪

[@guidobolke5618]

Iraq and Afghanistan was really traumatic for this generation it seems.

[@TyrianHaze]

The effect of those wars is still being felt by this generation. For some reason our streets were flooded with opiates(wonder where those came from), and our economy went down the shitter. Wonder what caused that.

[@TheDreadPirateRoberts-jr2fk]

One was 20 years and just ended three years ago. We still have boots in Iraq 21 years later, with no end in sight. You act like it’s ancient history. WW2 is old. Destiny and Vaush should stop pretending vlad is the Austrian, and peace equals appeasement equals a bid to take Europe.

[@kyranadrian]

@@guidobolke5618 foreign policy in general is traumatic to them... countries trying to actively have a say on the international stage is also imperialism to them.

[@garythecyclingnerd6219]

It super black pilled my generation on all foreign policy. The GWOT was overwhelmingly viewed as a waste of trillions on blowing up people who didn’t deserve it and we earned our global disdain. The prolonged GWOT and the treatment of veterans is why US recruitment has plummeted, I know I would rather go to jail than be conscripted by Uncle Sam. However, Russia is not Afghanistan or Iraq. By all accounts, this isn’t the non-issue the GWOT was.

[@angelantayhua3096]

@@garythecyclingnerd6219so glad most of Gen Z can’t even remember the Iraq war meant for the U.S.

[@henryburton6529]

1:19:30 epic point by Destiny - defeater of all Kremlin propaganda

[@cyprus9624]

what is everyone’s obsession with vaush’ fetishes. it’s weird that people are so fixated on it. It’s also on par with the lazy divorced/open-relationship insults people make about destiny.

[@opensocietyenjoyer]

the only difference is that the allegations are true. but that doesn't make the obsession any less unhinged.

[@heyguysitsshea]

It's because his tastes involve children and animals, both of which are genuinely evil things to fetishize. People are just calling it what it is tbh

[@theepictabbycat9480]

Probably because it involves children and horses.

[@JuliaRodriguezzzz]

What a wild headspace you have to be in to pretend like Vaush isn't a disgusting degenerate.

[@cyprus9624]

@@theepictabbycat9480 Who tf cares. Destiny has defended that stuff before. I don’t see anyone calling him a pedo for that.

[@jonathansurovell3516]

I can't listen to people who describe enabling Ukraine to defend itself as "funding the war" anymore. It's painful.

[@mp1335]

35:20 conveniently omits Russia's breaking of it's 2003 territorial treaty with Ukraine as well as encroachment on Tuzla island that same year. Russia was aggressively connecting Russian mainland to Ukrainian strategic Crimean territory. Meanwhile when Yanukovich was in power, he simply extended Russia's right to host their military in Crimea from 2017(when the original lease on Sevastopol base ends) to 2042 despite all that (of course). Then, when ultimately people are furious at him due to his blocking of possibilities of trade with EU and of course, he flees immediately and where to but Russia.

[@brandulak]

Not to mention "Gas wars" during Yushchenko presidency, so called "Cheese war" of 2012, Russian embargo of 2013, etc. The fact that Yanukovich put literal russian citizens onto strategic minister positions in MoD and SSU. So on and so forth. Even before 2014 Russia was trying every aggressive strategy possible, aside from direct intervention, to put Ukraine under it's influence. Destiny actually hit the nail on the head when he said that Nato is not a threat to Russian existence but it's a threat to Russian imperial ambitions in the region. That's exactly what it is.

[@RashadWilliams-vi8nl]

Weird…”Iraq is one mistake..” We intentionally made “mistakes” likewise we made many more “historical mistakes.” There’s large evidence of our “mistakes.” Dafuq Destiny tlking about.

[@saxy42]

I believe in the friendship arc

[@aldofromsf]

Dave Smith is so pro Russia it makes me sick of the stomach. The 2 BP talking heads have no historical or geopolitical depth on their simplistic views.

[@ginofranco4216]

Why anyone would listen to dave smith talk about anything is beyond me.

[@Rokaize]

You listen to him if you want your opinions fed into and confirmed. That’s basically it. People tune in to him in order to be told how correct they are. There is zero critical thinking or any sort of nuanced discussion about anything

[@AthleteSteve.]

His comedy is not as bad as letting someone shit in your mouth....so there's that.

[@coonhound_pharoah]

@@Rokaize Psychological projection at its finest.

[@ЕленаСереж]

1:31:16 And this us exactly how the Soviet for in Afghanistan ended. US supplied Mujahideens with the military equipment and the losses just became too night for the Soviets to bare and thus, they withdrew from the country.(Btw, this is also how USSR and China operated in the Vietnam war).

[@iAmCymba]

Hackademia: a Series. Tell CoffeeZilla you want royalties on the title 😂

[@ClintEatswood]

"Comedian" Dave Smith? Have they never watched Legion of Skanks? Dave isn't a comedian!

[@adamdaniel01]

I watched that debate live. Vaush did a commendable job 👍🏽

[@hotpotato3311]

1:19:34 Why was US threatened by the missiles in Cuba? Or why is US threatened by China? The same answer applies to Russia s well.

[@hotpotato3311]

1:32:50 He just gave an example where even if you take a really high risk option it will not mean that you will have the outcome you are anticipating? How is this so hard to understand? I am starting to think this Destiny guy has a single digit IQ.

[@shsch492]

Us lost in Vietnam, Russia can lose to a smaller country.

[@rickarmstrong9660]

Not the same thing at all. Not even close. Entirely different circumstances, entirely different logistics, entirely different geopolitical issues.

[@krombopulos_michael]

I wished someone would bring that up as at least some point of comparison. Russia also lost in Afghanistan. The US was clearly the more powerful country. Better equipped, bigger population, way richer. For most of the war they controlled substantial amounts of territory and North Vietnam was not making steady territorial gains or anything like that. When they did try a big coordinated attack with the Tet offensive it failed completely. The US suffered significantly fewer casualties too of the course of the war. Thr US never really actually got defeated there. There wasn't some killing blow where they had to wave a white flag and surrender. They just eventually decided the war was way more trouble than it was worth, and negotiated a withdrawal. Ukraine doesn't have to actually strike some killing blow, or march on Moscow, or chase the Russian army back out of the territory they hold. Their strategy is likely to just make this so difficult that it will no longer be worth Russia's while to stay in. They just need them to do what America did in Vietnam, which is to declare that they're handing over control to the local "rebel" factions and getting out.

[@inkarnator7717]

Vaush is right concerning the AFD in Germany. After reunification, eastern German businesses were sold to the highest bidder, which of course were all West Germans, which did not necessarily have the well-being of the local community as their top priority. To this day, eastern Germany couldn't recover from the economic outcomes from that. This has lead them to vote heavily in favor of populists. It used to be the leftists, now they have done a sharp U-turn towards the AFD.

[@danielsurvivor1372]

0:16 Fax, also I'm surprised Vowsh mostly had good takes on the whole UA stuff, good on him ig, credit where credit is due

[@kingster14444]

Im in full support for leftist unity, let's fuckin go Destiny and Vaush

[@andrewgeldmacher4765]

The US made a mistake going into Iraq, but was absolutely justified in going to Afghanistan. The only mistake we made in Afghanistan was pulling out to early. Another 10 years and we would have seen an entire generation raised in a country free of Taliban Rule start to come to position of power and be able to make positive changes for their country. Especially since the last 6-7 years are involvement in Afghanistan was very minimal, we had control of Bagram and a few ODAs in country acting as advisors for the Afghan military.

[@adamgates1142]

Oh ya Vietnam too. Americans are winners!!!

[@andrewgeldmacher4765]

@@adamgates1142 let’s look at the stats American deaths Vietnam 58,300, NVA and Viet Cong deaths 1.1 million. I don’t know you tell me who lost?

[@WiloPolis03]

The vicious cycle Vaushtiny will-they-won't-they continues