Ethan Stumps Hasan In 1v2 Politics Debate, Baffles Destiny...

[@destiny]

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[@scourge8097]

I just found this guy, "Destiny," or "Stephen," as the one women who debated him kept calling him to annoy him...but goddamn is it nice to find a guy who just has common sense. I've thought I was progressive...until they lost their fucking minds. I guess I'm liberal, but I can see the flaws in their ideology. I don't get why we have to hate our own country or this self flagellation for decrying America and just handing the right the mantle of being "Patriots." Fuck, I'm not even wording that well, but Destiny articulates his thoughts in a manner in which I agree about 95% of the time. And I love the people who mock him for his private lifestyle. That's just losing the debate RIGHT there. Also, only seen his Wife from his videos, but she seems like a sweetheart and it's incredible how much she is attacked for being close to Destiny.

[@mikehawk408]

Lstiny is a cuck who has bad takes on foreign policy. Taiwan is Chinese territory.

[@kokushibyō-f9i]

Destiny I need you to understand that western Europe is getting allot of it's politics from the US.

[@mikehawk408]

@@kokushibyō-f9i Destiny is a classic neoliberal pig who thinks that the US can do no wrong.

[@mgod20s90]

I have a question without taking sides: Is it beneficial to consider historical context in political controversies, like Ukraine, Palestine, or Taiwan? For instance, in the case of Ukraine, some argue that despite Russia's aggression, the conflict could lead to long-term benefits. Ukraine's struggle with corruption and internal political conflicts could be addressed, potentially paving the way for democracy and stronger ties with NATO. However, it's important to question whether we should exclude moral arguments based on history from these discussions. Moreover, I believe empathy is often lacking in destiny's consideration of historical facts. What are your thoughts on this?

[@ZNE1323]

Ethan was hiding his true power level all along

[@modustrollens4806]

Loool best comment so far

[@harryb12993]

He was trojan horsing Hasan the whole time

[@SleepBeforeYouThink]

@@harryb12993like the condom. He was in Hasan’s ass 😂 completely “intellectually outpaced” Hasan.

[@randalthor2859]

Que Vegeta: *"His IQ level is Over ONE HUNDRED!"*

[@5milemacc737]

I hit the highway 🛣️ Making money the Kiein Way 🇮🇱 🎶 💵

[@susfringgaming4018]

The nerve of Hassan to say that China's formal incorporation of Hong Kong into China hasn't been devastating when literally all of the pro-democracy and pro western policymakers have either resigned or been arrested is insane.

[@pauls4235]

Can someone find out why he unnaturally defends and glorifies china at every turn

[@BingonSteyen]

​@pauls4235 china's communist, and he would never shit talk his commie daddies

[@alpaca6462]

​@@pauls4235unironically commie

[@randalthor2859]

​@@pauls4235I'd imagine you can check his bank records.

[@smashdioconnel1960]

​@@pauls4235Hate to say this because it sounds so red scare but China is the jewel of the socialist eye, the command economy and China's sheer production levels makes them the ideal socialist bastion if you can just over look the genocide, organ harvesting, other human rights violations, the treatment of most the lower class, and general incompetence 😂

[@justaname109]

Hasan’s face….its like when a student is unprepared and tries to explain the plot of a book they never read.

[@ei1864]

Very accurate

[@Corgiking521]

😂 this is so accurate listening to him stumbling over his words

[@raneenah3240]

"it's aight, overrated af But you know what though... "

[@justaname109]

@@ataridc 🤣🤣🤣 except his answer usually isn’t very climactic either

[@chung-jenweng6454]

"I am sorry, I don't know enough about Taiwan to form a good opinion." There, Easy

[@justintsui2783]

I'm from Hong Kong, and I find it truly baffling that Hasan can make such takes while getting almost every basic fact about Taiwan, HK and China wrong.

[@MrSlaughterrific]

Hasan doesn't have real opinions. You can't take him seriously when he doesn't even know what he's talking about

[@beckembrown7002]

Sure American imperialist

[@Omnip073n77]

His #1 defense is "They have Tier 1 cities".

[@ranfak]

He was not wrong on HK come on .

[@snnnaaaaaakeeeee4470]

​​@@beckembrown7002Where are you from? If it is America you are very welcome to leave (not to the UK though please, we have enough morons here already).

[@WhatsUpWithIan]

The complete lack of confidence in Hasan’s voice in this entire conversation was truly something to behold.

[@hegeliankid1226]

Having chat validating your echo chamber is not real life. Ethan is not even literate or manages his own language enough to develop his questions but you can see the fragility of reaction streamer’s’ personalities

[@genericsocks7542]

@@hegeliankid1226lmao seriously, Hasan is so so far from being open to his views changing should sufficient evidence present itself that he won’t even acknowledge any weaknesses in his arguments. He is trapped in his current Uber lefty champagne socialist mindset by the fact that he would lose his rabid audience that allows him to make tons of money. So regardless of what he thinks he can never change.

[@TheKwod]

He urinated in his own mouth

[@TheKwod]

​@@hegeliankid1226Ethan is a nonchalant weirdo with AIDS

[@GBGB000]

The Ethan-Hasan partnership is destined for a massive blowup. Ethan keeps exposing Hasan's ignorance and dishonesty.

[@brappsniffs3924]

The "business person" in Ethan loves money and profit from the least amount of effort. He probably won't end the show with Hasan unless he has another project on the back burner.

[@mikael3432]

Meh they’re pretty friendly compared to other ppl on this site arguing with each other with spit flying out of their mouth. I appreciate that they can disagree and not fly off the handle so we can actually hear both of their opinions

[@brappsniffs3924]

@@mikael3432 you're gay

[@SleepBeforeYouThink]

Hathan

[@shamrecks5496]

@@brappsniffs3924Least amount of effort is crazy lol He does a 4 hour podcast in studio, 5 days a week with fully planned out segments and skits

[@TriFekt]

Ethan isn't dumb, he's just disingenuous sometimes and if you do it often enough people will perceive you as stupid.

[@helloMRdj1]

For me he always struck as intelligent, his content nonetheless got very boring when he started to podcast.

[@brian1436]

Ethan is a real person. Pretty rare for someone in his position.

[@DirtCobaine]

Very true. He also used to play himself up as a dumb goofy guy. Which is like a way of having an excuse to cop out.

[@jimmcnicholas9670]

I cant think of an example of when ethan has been disingenuous. Any examples

[@TheRealAb216]

​@@DirtCobainenah it's to get people to let their guard down

[@HexFent]

Who wouldve thought ethan would be the dude to press Hasan. I think it helps that Ethan is genuinely friendly. I think that kind of temperament allows for dialogues to happen more often

[@Mox1990]

Hopefully hasan won’t soy out about how “hard” Ethan is going on him and leave the podcast to only talk to apolitical LA streamers and never be challenged.

[@chinchillatwitch7234]

Imagine leftovers 2025, they kicked off Hasan, now Destiny is the co-host. I don't think Hasan has it in him, to keep this podcast going.

[@0redfr0g0]

I mean it had basically been back to back the past few weeks, with Ethan kinda going hard on React content and now Hasan's bad geopolitical takes. I wouldn't be surprised if he holds Hasan's feet to the fire on Isreal/ Palestine soon.

[@devonwilliams2423]

​​@@0redfr0g0bro yes , i finally had to unfollow ethan. Literally every video was him high horse shitting on everyone in every video and him acting disgusting, it felt like an angry boomer grandpa narrating facebook and every time his grandson (his producers) say anything he yaps at them. And if he goes extra bad they press the (sorry hes 80) button and reset last 30 seconds lol

[@idakev]

@@0redfr0g0 What would they disagree about on Israel/Palestine?

[@haonyoass9556]

Destiny is clearly bitter toward hasan in so many ways, but he’s also 100% right about him, more than anyone else

[@whogotthesushi3897]

Lol this is probably the most accurate view of destiny,

[@s4uss]

Destiny is clearly bitter toward hasan in so many ways.*

[@rosssivertson6339]

I don't agree with alot either one of them have to say or believe but Destiny deserves to be the one making the money that Hassan is making which is probably where the bitterness stems from.

[@HeyIntegrity]

​@@rosssivertson6339Why?

[@rosssivertson6339]

Because I don't think Hassan actually believes or really cares about any of the stuff he rants about It's all about the money for him Destiny on the other hand. All of this is his passion and I think he does care

[@jdjenk04]

How does Hasan not feel embarrassed when he gives answers to questions like “is Taiwan independent?” and how his fans don’t get secondhand embarrassment from it

[@zym6687]

Embarrassment requires a level of self-awareness above that of a rock.

[@silver474]

He can’t get that -alleged~ money from jhina if he says Taiwan is it’s own independent county. Like every other white monkey tankie

[@trashdoge1217]

The amount of glazing hasan does to a country with eradication and work camps IS CRAZY

[@Jst.a.Normal.Bottle.of.Mustard]

But they are communist and not white so he doesnt care

[@theowainwright7406]

Wonder what will happen when he finds out lots of Chinese people are very racist and xenophobic

[@theowainwright7406]

(Not their fault tho their state run media pushes xenophobia a lot)

[@MrsNeedlemouse]

As a lefty, I find Hasan's constant defense of imperialism to be deeply disturbing, it's like he has no values. It's even worse when he begins to justify it with ethnic ties like we're coming into the fourth Reich.

[@Taireyn]

This is by far the biggest reason why I dislike him, his China defense mode is some subhuman behavior

[@sisu9663]

I've always thought that Ethan can ask great, incisive questions without being overly accusatory. He's a skilled conversationalist

[@SirMcLowen]

i think all can agree Ethan has that way which is why most used to like h3h3 content, but its just down spiral to i dont know what happen at all

[@XenVar2]

Bill Burr would disagree.

[@harold3165]

Most of the time he sucks

[@AxleTrade]

I don't like what Ethan ended up becoming but he can hold his own when it comes to certain topics.

[@johnleoks7642]

Ethan is growing on me. He's taken so many dubs lately. He destroyed Pearl, xQc and Hasan (twice).

[@rotemtomhagbi1937]

When the grift doesn't work. You go back to the roots.

[@kirknichols178]

I’m out of the loop. What was going on with XQC? What was his take that Ethan called him out on?

[@Taireyn]

@@kirknichols178 Felix didn't perform good on their debate about react content

[@MicrowavedFurby]

He's destroyed other people that came on too

[@flightrisk1047]

I genuinely cannot think of three easier layups that debating these mfs 💀

[@ProCoRat]

Ethan is waaay smarter than he appears. He just does not care to be informed about things that disinterest him. He is the type to say the Capital of Austria is Sydney, but he also keeps defeating foes in debates and absorbing their hairlines.

[@jacob7649]

Low hanging fruit

[@cantflipforship]

Absorbing their hairlines 😂

[@credman]

Ethan's a dumb person's idea of a dumb person.

[@leftypaws1131]

😂

[@KyleMacSkill]

He's not dumb he's a disingenuous grifter, so he picks and chooses when to use an unbiased opinion on things

[@masonm8351]

Ethan seems like a reasonable person while sitting next to Hasan

[@The_Daliban]

We underestimated Ethan. He isn’t dumb at all

[@jameslopez9661]

Yeah I used to think he fell off and started doing like every day boring shit podcast for like KZbin drama but it's ince to see his change

[@jamallachmajun9903]

Ethan never was stupid, the problem is that every KZbin-Commentator suffers from the Dunning-Kruger effect.

[@Adam-zh4hm]

He is selectively dumb

[@TheJordanK]

Like most ppl it depends on the topic

[@paulogaspar8295]

no, he is dumb. he just is less dumb than Hasan, which is not difficult. But he let Hasan brainwash him in many of his current opinions so he still has to learn some things.

[@whitesedan]

Ethan is making a full three point 180 type of turn in real time from ultra super dumbass to a good host with hard questions and I’m loving it

[@Dieci-9]

The redemption arc. Though, we're never getting back to the Ethan and Hila when h3h3 was making videos about dumb/cringe stuff.

[@theowainwright7406]

Ethan performs better agains his friends than he does against people he doesn’t know personally

[@THECRIMSONWITHIN]

​@@theowainwright7406an interesting dynamic which is inherent in most society.

[@AndrewCreel]

Slow down there, buddy

[@bw2020]

Make a list of people who he has debated; some random dude from a cult, Ollie London, a 22 year old grindset TikToker, and H. Pearl Davis. Quite the line up of interlocutors.

[@sarahcoleman3598]

As an American living in Taiwan, hearing Hasan say that Taiwan is currently “One Country, Two Systems” is absurd. This is wording that comes directly from the agreement between Hong Kong and China that went into effect in 1997. “One Country, Two Systems” is the exact thing that China is calling for, and Taiwanese people outright reject, as they have seen the length to which the CCP respects the whole “Two systems” part of that. Taiwan and China are not one country, and Ethan is exactly correct in almost all of this. Almost no one here wants anything to do with China. This place looks like, feels like, and *is* a different country in ways not dissimilar to the UK and America.

[@agusace]

That was exactly what i was thinking hearing hasan. This dude has no real grasp on history, and just spits out whatever crosses his mind

[@rree9550]

@@agusace it's beyond infuriating but doesn't prevent him from commenting anything and everything

[@chinchillatwitch7234]

Its so weird to see Hasan repeating litteral CCP talking points. I wonder if he just mixed things up with Hong Kong, or if he genuinely thinks that ''one country, two systems'' is a good idea for Taiwan.

[@SleepBeforeYouThink]

I have a question, you know how Hong Kong speak a different type of Chinese? Cantonese right? Mainland China speak Mandarin, right? Does Taiwan have their own version of Chinese as well? Edit: I’m sure their are 100s of dialects and languages within Mainland China, im not implying everyone their speaks just Mandarin, just that Mandarin is the official language. People in Inner Mongolia for example probably speak Mongolian, at least to some extent

[@nihil4361]

​@@SleepBeforeYouThinkTaiwan mandarin

[@Oyster--]

"They call it 'strategic ambiguity,' which I call lying" - Hasan, whose opinion on Taiwan's independence is strategically ambiguous

[@ThomasG84]

The irony of Ethan teaming up with Hasan to make his podcast a bit more politically intellectual and that goal is only achieved when Ethan finally works out that Hasan hasn’t a clue what he is on about so that when Ethan finally pushes back, his podcast goal is finally realised.

[@jimmyhart3191]

Problem is Hasan does know what he’s talking about, he explained very clearly why the topic is sensitive but that the current situation benefits all parties

[@ThomasG84]

@@jimmyhart3191 “Problem is Hasan knows what he is talking about”…. Firstly he doesn’t and secondly, if he did, how can that be a problem? You might want to consider your words more wisely haha

[@jimmyhart3191]

@@ThomasG84 Jesus Christ I should have known it was a bad idea commenting on a destiny video, I’m leaving debate club and returning to the real world

[@ThomasG84]

@@jimmyhart3191 as a matter of sensible practice if you’re not going to make any sense it’s a bad idea to comment anywhere. Lesson learned. Good luck

[@napoleondynamite6993]

@@ThomasG84yes to this 👆

[@JS-lq3bh]

He might not be super educated in some areas but Ethan’s SO much smarter than he’s given credit for

[@LiiRAE.]

he's having his destiny arc

[@glowindark64]

Bands a make her dance 😮

[@jacob7649]

😐

[@Bauhausist]

Imagine being so dumb you make Ethan look like a genius.

[@kenavr]

yeah that was always my assessment. He isn't stupid, but just not educated on a lot of stuff (like the vast majority of people on this planet). More often than not he gives the "normie" take, which especially today is a lot better or at least refreshing when you normally consume "political streamers" who think nuance and opposing views are something to be destroyed.

[@harryb12993]

Ethan has been building up this image of incompetency and allying with Hasan for the ultimate trojan horse.

[@sugartoothYT]

That would be funny.

[@robertwoodson1701]

best comments fs

[@temdasarah]

God willing!

[@RobW2K10]

As the European in the comments, I'd like to say that supporting Ukraine isn't devisive. Thank you Hasan for sounding like an ejit once more

[@cx3622]

It definetly is. Outside of the European Union, you will get many different opinions. Europe doesn't only mean France and Germany.

[@Vosk21]

as an american who supports Ukraine I can tell you it is a highly divisive position to hold, encountering more detractors every day from the left and the right.

[@wlodek8757]

@@cx3622 its not only france and germany though. Old soviet block countries like poland and so on support ukraine in majority aswell

[@cx3622]

@@wlodek8757 Poland is in the EU. Of course it does.

[@wlodek8757]

@@cx3622 not really, its more about our history with russia than being part of EU

[@GT-qv1gl]

Said it before and I'll say it again. Ethan is a master at shutting down people who are bullshitting. That was the center of most of his H3H3 content before the podcast. It's why Muta made 1 mistake and got EVISCERATED by Ethan.

[@MrPumaralant]

when was muta crushed by ethan?

[@hellsjamfleas]

​@@MrPumaralantAbout 3 years ago Ethan was getting widely dragged all over the internet. It was mostly that he had embraced leftist politics and was confrontational with his right leaning fans. He also went to war with Keemstar, and Ethan picks fights a lot anyway so he had plenty of influential enemies. A lot of accusations that had been made over the years,they started getting added into attack videos. Ethan had initially just ignored them but as the criticism got louder he made the response videos "addressing gokunaru" and "everybody hates Ethan" . He had many receipts and accepted some of the less substantial criticism. They were good apologies. Muta had repeated a load of slander about Ethan that was easy to disprove and Ethan targeted the second video at him. Muta had to apologize and remove his video.

[@MrPumaralant]

@@hellsjamfleas Thanks! I didnt know that.

[@jonovah]

Bill Burr enters the room

[@HeyIntegrity]

​@@hellsjamfleaswhat did he crush?

[@MicrowavedFurby]

It's hilarious how tough Hasan tries to seem when talking to his chat but runs away from every debate with people who know what they're talking about.

[@chung-jenweng6454]

His chat loved his take "You know, the people who rob the store redistribute the wealth and help the community" is his latest coping on all the day time clean out of LA. His fans gonna ate it up no sweat with their own raltionalization

[@kap1618]

Why do you think Hasan rags on "Debate perverts?" He knows that other lefties would call him out on his cr*ppy foreign policy takes.

[@Flooding474]

Dooood Hasan _loves_ yelling at grey names in his chat. So performative.

[@jsmith434w]

LOL hilarious take but not completely wrong either. maybe a very optimistic rationalization@@chung-jenweng6454

[@AVspectre]

I think ‘Drunken Master style’ is a great description of Ethan’s questioning lately. He keeps it really low-energy and comes across as asking genuine questions rather than ‘gotchas’. It means the interlocutor is mostly on the backfoot and comes across as defensive.😂

[@gurudan6323]

It's amazing Hasan 's lack of confidence outside of his bedroom

[@alyssaxxy]

I think Ethan’s eyes were opened when Hasan had terrible takes on DMCA and saw himself what a violator he actually is. That was the first thing his little ears perked up at bc he genuinely knows what he’s talking about with that topic. Every since then, curtains been pulled back. I’m proud of the guy. He’s getting fit and getting lit🔥 😂

[@jpelektrk]

Ethan is just a great interviewer. He likes to ask challenging questions and gives the person room to answer his questions and time to explain themselves.

[@skullingtonfx4441]

He's like early Joe Rogan in some ways

[@qualitydyl7088]

@@skullingtonfx4441 ethans late dawg lmaoo

[@bobinasack]

​@@skullingtonfx4441lmfaoooo

[@anonymous-yf6ur]

I think we are finally seeing Ethan wake up and become a person with his own opinion rather than the coward that he tried to be. I don't necessarily agree with Ethan but I respect this version of Ethan because he feels like a real person.

[@AndrewNajash]

Find yourself someone who talks about you the way Hasan talks about china

[@dranelemakol]

Waffling a ton?

[@beckembrown7002]

Lol all the American imperialist are out today

[@jebalitabb8228]

@@beckembrown7002you say that like it’s a bad thing, I love being one 😊

[@beckembrown7002]

@@jebalitabb8228 I’m glad atleast u are honest about being one. Too many Destiny fans wanna pretend like their progressives when they are as supremacist & nationalistic as Trump fans

[@Tomas-xt2gq]

​@@beckembrown7002Saying china bad is imperliasim? Lol

[@AG-ni8jm]

Hasan is ignorant or lying. The island of Taiwan being Chinese is only a very recent phenomenon. To say Taiwan should be part of China because the populace is Han Chinese is like saying Ireland should be in the UK because the populace is white and English-speaking

[@yaboi-km2qn]

He probably doesn't know that there are native people in taiwan that are now a minority in their own country.

[@hellsjamfleas]

Based on how he reacted to Adam something, i assume Hasan's real take is that only the UK the US or other "Anglos" are capable or imperilism , with all of Europe being honourary anglos becaise of thier mindset, regardless of if they were colonised themselves (by the USSR in particular)

[@ranfak]

You are wrong here I guess . Because it’s completely different history with different events. what china saying is why do British or American has to decision on their internal matter . But it was not Chinese who separated British. It was your own decision isnt it , did China said anything their you make France your part or you make Ireland your part or you make whole Europe britan part but I don’t think China said anything or have any problem because it’s your internal matter but why do British interfair in Chinese internal matter like HK and Taiwan . now let’s see what you have to reply

[@Vosk21]

@@hellsjamfleas hit the nail on the head. its literally as simple as he cant hold poc to the same standards as wypipo because it's not popular with wokescold LA consoomers and it triggers his tankie maoist community

[@leftypaws1131]

@jj-yi1neIrish aren’t white??? 😂😂😂

[@SeptunoYT]

I love the Ethan acceptance. Ive watched the h3 podcast and Destiny as my regulars for a few years now. Imagine my disappointment when Ethan brought Hasan on, and Destiny started hating on Ethan. I don’t literally cant watch the episodes Hasan is on. I’m glad that Ethan is straying from Hasan’s insanity. And Im glad Destiny is gaining some faith in Ethan because I think he is a genuinely smart guy who could care less to really think over politics before making heated points.

[@forzer456]

How can you be disappointed when Hasan was brought on when Ethan himself has done some shitty things. He has doxxed, spread misinformation/accusations, and acted in ignorance or pure incompetence. His treatment of aba and preach is already a red flag, mischaracterising them as transphobes and suggesting they know nothing about their own community and coming up from a lower social economical background. You can watch whoever but Ethan without Hasan has made his own mess.

[@Frish__]

nah ethan is a bad person

[@asimplewizard]

​@@Frish__what has he done that makes him a bad person? Worst I've seen was some bad decisions during his podcast and he occasionally acts stupid instead of accepting he's wrong. I know we expect the people on screen to always be perfect, but those are pretty normal human traits.

[@Zach-cn4lb]

@@asimplewizard the big one for me is hosting and supporting false sexual allegations against Fresh and Fit on his podcast just because he disliked them, and also lashing out against people like calling Aba and Preach transphobic. He's not a demon, but past actions make him seem pretty spiteful and dishonest at times

[@jacob7649]

​@@Zach-cn4lb100% true

[@flower5185]

I don't understand why people are surprised Ethan is smart. Everyone says dumb shit from time to time but Ethan is typically pretty reasonable if you actually listen to him instead of watching uncharitable clips

[@allisoncastle]

Lol yesss 👏👏👏 I’m guessing most of these people shocked out of their minds that Ethan is intelligent never ACTUALLY watched Ethan in the past like 7 years and only those insanely dishonestly framed clips

[@jonathanhughes8679]

Yet he refuses to accept that Israel had a historical record of being there since 8k years.

[@ThalassicMeasure]

Here's a secret: Ethan is not an idiot. Hasan very often is.

[@Sleepytechnician]

Ethan falls to the trap of “no one is disagreeing, so I can say whatever!” He’s not dumb but he lets himself get into a cycle of not thinking when there isn’t legitimate pushback forcing him to take a moment to think.

[@maxsmith8196]

A month a go this comment section would be shitting equally hard on both.

[@jacob7649]

​@@Sleepytechnician nope he's just dumb

[@Vosk21]

I don't buy Hasan being an idiot at this point, he's poisoned too many wells of thought. I think he's deliberately malicious and harbors a deep resentment for America, with special focus on white ppl. The way he can flit between 'ACAB' while simultaneously making 'blood and soil' arguments regarding taiwan indicates a far deeper dissonance that I just can't attribute to ignorance. Tankies hold way more political sway in LA than you would think, and when you're wealthy money becomes less valuable than influence over like-minded organizations/actors

[@JosefZeethuven]

@@maxsmith8196 Its almost like ethan is showing a change in behavior. Now this might be a crazy thing to your braindead socialist brain but people can change

[@prevailslays]

Ethan and Destiny is the collab everyone wants to see

[@thegrammar_nazi]

Ethan could add to Destiny's content, but Destiny doesn't really have anything to contribute to a comedy podcast. If they did a collab, it would only benefit Destiny

[@prevailslays]

@@thegrammar_nazi Ethan talks politics vegan

[@napoleondynamite6993]

@@thegrammar_naziit would be another type of leftovers show.

[@bobDotJS]

Ethan is growing on me again since he stopped pandering to the lowest common denominator

[@asmbeats5369]

Doesn't really take much to impress y'all.

[@bobDotJS]

@@asmbeats5369 for someone to change is genuinely impressive. He's growing a bit of a spine, it's worth acknowledging.

[@snnnaaaaaakeeeee4470]

I am worried that you are jinxing it and Ethan will revert back to the pandering. I want to believe that he is improving but too early to tell for sure.

[@moos1n]

Ethan isn't dumb, I just genuinely think he is sometimes being very emotional and disingenuous, which is funny, especially if you agree with him, but aggravating for people who take the topic seriously. He has good takes and bad like anyone else, I thought this for a long time before buying into the idea he was actually just stupid after seeing one too many bad Leftovers clips, but honestly, after the xQc debate and Hasan debates, I think I've re-centered my opinion on him.

[@daniellong7926]

Ethan Is actually pretty smart. He can do really great interviews too. It's just when he doesn't care it really shows.

[@varun009]

I never thought Ethan was an idiot but I do know that most people think he doesn't think for himself. He's more authentic in that respect than Hasan is. Ethan has no sympathy for imperialism just because it has a fan club.

[@Ivan-qf4mt]

Ethan can be such a bloodhound when it is a topic he is knowledgeable in. It is like trying debating Joe Rogan on weed. Props to muh boi Ethan.

[@VikJo]

That's a great anology!

[@cx3622]

Wdym debating joe rogan on weed haha, i'm curious what that analogy means

[@zeroshadowzs]

​@cx3622 Joe Rogan isn't always super informed on topics brought up on his show since his brand is "regular dude", but when it comes to weed he's super informed and he will switch from just letting the guest say whatever to really holding their feet to the fire.

[@cx3622]

@@zeroshadowzs ahh i see now, thanks for the explanation!

[@thegrammar_nazi]

When you said "on weed," I think most people (including me) thought you meant "high on weed" xD

[@Lexyboogie]

The Ukraine invasion really exposed the cracks in Hasan's logic and reasoning for me personally. I have been increasingly unimpressed by his political takes since then. If he wants to continue to be taken seriously as non-robotic political commentator, he really needs to start deconstructing his views and start doing the work. Even though there's certainly some unnecessary vitriol from Destiny's side towards him, I totally agree with Destiny's point that Hasan is pretty much just a mouthpiece for modern American progressivism and he will do anything it takes to not alienate those people.

[@TheAliceQuo]

"unnecessary vitriol" Shit, where?

[@mikehawk408]

Ukraine should have acquired nukes if it didn't want to get invaded lol. The conflict should be just between Ukraine and Russia. However, the US just can't resist the urge to get involved in a foreign conflict.

[@zym6687]

@@TheAliceQuo Well you know, all vitriol is unnecessary and the best way to change someone's opinions is to placate them by being agreeable.

[@Vosk21]

nobody who makes blood and soil arguments for china could receive 'unnecessary vitriol" imo. unless you think fascists can just divorce themselves from their reputation?

[@goolumf]

Same here. Got into Hasan for his shitting on the alt right content, unimpressed with his foreign policy. He hasn’t given any actual salient insight in years.I think he read theory originally, then stopped after he got popular, and now gets his info from twitter

[@HoovyTube]

46:30 So does Uganda belong to Great Britain according to Hasan's logic?

[@simonssays78]

As liberals who live in a liberal democracy it is our duty to defend other democracies from invasion by non liberal democracies

[@jloiben12]

Destiny: How does Ethan do this? Ethan: By having the capacity for thought while talking to an idiot like Hasan

[@andrewshaw1571]

That is difficult. I keep having to pause because hasan is brain rotting and i need time to get over his ability to miss basic points. Being able to stay on the ball while that thing is blowing air at you in real time is impressive.

[@radioactivedragonite2420]

Ethan powering up rn. Soon he'll outpace destiny intellectually.

[@TobyElmendorf]

Ive always just been perplexed why people think Hasan is smart man. This isn't just a case of disagreement either. Like he genuinely seems like he cannot form a sentence in a way that makes him sound even halfway intelligent

[@Vosk21]

people in an echo chamber have to convince each other that they are smart to preserve their narcississm and clout

[@leftypaws1131]

He has a degree in political science. 🙄

[@Vosk21]

​@@leftypaws1131 so does ben shapiro

[@leftypaws1131]

@@Vosk21 🤔 are you saying if you disagree w someone politically that automatically makes them unintelligent regardless of their IQ/degrees/expertise etc? Btw do you have a degree and if so what is it for? And I’m not being shady, I’m just genuinely curious what exactly your level of education is. Disregarding someone’s entire degree just because you don’t like them seems pretty “stupid” to me 🤷‍♀️

[@Vosk21]

@@leftypaws1131 no, im saying that having a degree in political science is proof that you sat through the courses and can demonstrate a certain aptitude when discussing politics. It doesn't make your positions insightful, moral or useful, and it doesn't immunize you from completely compromising your stated values or shitting your pants in a debate. Hasan not recognizing the parallels between Taiwan/China and ISrael/Palestine is a complete contradiction of his stated moral beliefs and there's plenty of other examples of him being a moron trapped in a bubble. tldr: A political degree doesn't make you immune to lapses in judgement or an ethical person

[@gamblorrr]

That flashback to Hasan's Ukraine takes is wild. How he didn't get more flak for that surprises me.

[@LS-jv9hp]

Well the average twitch streamer is brain dead and his audience it filled with scum who'd happily genocide you if you don't fit into their little box of totalitarianism.

[@badwolf3618]

He doesnt get the flak he deserves because: 1. He's hot and charismatic 2. The Left is just as incapable/unwilling of calling out their own bad faith actors as the Right (I say this as a Leftist myself) 3. The Left, despite their current political and social momentum/institutional-backing, thrives on being counter-culture and contrarians. So people like Hasan can get away with his Ukraine takes, as long as he somehow connects it to America and the West being evil, because he then tickles the contrarian nerve that lots of Lefties have.

[@mikehawk408]

Hasan was right about Ukraine. Online neoliberals are performative as hell when it comes to the Ukraine war. Why would they genuinely care about a conflict that has no direct impact on their lives?

[@BuckBuckle]

He doesn't get flak for it because his audience agrees with it. They're basically all tankies who will take any side that opposes the US, no matter what. These people would back WWII Germany if it happened today.

[@mikehawk408]

@@BuckBuckle Neoliberals would have supported fascist Nazi Germany (neoliberals frequently back fascists). People like Destiny are too soft when it comes to Nazis.

[@Exoticccc_]

The foreshadowing of Ethan bringing up Israel v Palestine and Hasan saying "you don't want to go down that rabbit hole."

[@RonMi95]

You can argue for the annexation of the west bank purely using Hasan clips lol I mean Russians did settler colonialism in the Baltics too

[@LowercaseKev]

This is my biggest problem with Ethan. He shows from time to time he could still earnestly engage and be intelligent. But then wont research or confirm facts on his main show and is lazy. Its so disappointing when he shows flashes of his smarts knowing he will turn right back around 70% of the time to being lazy

[@GuyDude-hk8uy]

He stands to make so much more money by just parroting the popular soy-sycophant viewpoint. Sadly this is the way most ecelebs tend to go: Fantana, iDubbbz etc. "I renounce all of my former boundary-pushing or thought-provoking content" and become cookie-cutter redditors you could replace with almost anyone parroting the same lines. iDubbbz somehow managed to become *less* popular and make *less* money doing do, which is an insane fail. When it was cool and edgy and profitable to be right-wing (or anti-woke, whatever) they were that; when the pendulum swung, they suddenly had a change of heart. They'll change back when it swings again. tl;dr big grifter energy from most of these big ecelebs.

[@Jst.a.Normal.Bottle.of.Mustard]

Yeah he relies on a "research team" I bet and they just push whatever side of the argument they agree with even if its wrong

[@chinchillatwitch7234]

Well, he does like 6 shows a week, and his focus is comedy. Thats why the whole Steven crowder stuff was funny, because Steven Crowder thinks he can just come in and dunk on someone, like he does on those highschool kids and then Ethan pulls out Sam Harris.

[@sugasheeze]

I think that's on purpose. A lot of Ethan's appeal comes from being an "everyman man" just like Joe Rogan. They aren't particularly smart and are generally uninformed, but they're inquisitive and open to new information. They respond to information in a very basal manner and react the way normie dudes would at hearing the same info.

[@forzer456]

⁠@@chinchillatwitch7234if Ethan is going to make claims and bring certain people on (eg f&f accuser) he must backup his claims and do his research unless his positions are worthless. Ethan may have had some funny stuff back in the day but to call his new stuff funny is a joke. Half the time he talks about stuff he does not know and makes assumptions, he does has his moments but the laziness to double check certain claims is bad.

[@christophernoneya4635]

Hasan made a nationalist arguement, "taiwan and china are both Han Chinese" with the implication being they should be a single country. "Han" chinese unity is a myth too, theres a major cultural divide between mandarin and cantonese speakers (north/south), let alone within smaller splintering within these groups

[@LS-jv9hp]

I'd absolutely LOVE too see his argument used on the UK. His argument if consistent would be against a united Ireland.

[@TheJiminatorHS]

Han chinese is literally used the same way as the Nazis used Germanic ties for czechoslovakia, austria and poland. Russia does the same in ukraine.

[@FlCl3000]

I love that Ethan had to change the subject because his politics guy couldn’t answer questions and roll with political discourse

[@Demos_Jeff]

Did the allies even know about the holocaust before declaring war? From what I understand Hitler annexing land with Germanic people and invading Poland was the ENTIRE reason the Allies declared war

[@androgynousmaggot9389]

And Americans still didn't, even after France, Norway, Yugoslavia, Greece, North Africa, and an attempt to invade GB! It was actually Germany who declared war, or better say, the crazy painter by himself without consulting anyone! Roosevelt couldn't be "happier" since the public really didn't want to get involved. So most likely, without Japan and Hitler, America would wait a little longer before getting fully involved, and once they did, it was just a matter of time before the allies got the upper hand! About the holocaust, despite Jewish organizations being vocal about the persecution, it had little effect, so little that ships with Jewish refugees were sent back and denied entry! Yeah,not much love for them! Even with all the footage from camps, filmed with the purpose so no one would be able to deny it happened, you still have large groups that are denying or diminished the numbers...I don't know about you, but I would definitely want a place to call home, without having to wait for a prophet! And here we are now.. a new mess, with everyone screaming and no one talking (or forgetting they did talk,lol)

[@阿信-u7y]

as someone from Taiwan it sucks how everyone in the west speak on our behalf with no actual understanding of the situation.

[@TillThenPlease]

I love the Destiny/Ethan arc that's developing... without Ethan even knowing.

[@fiji9258]

whats really funny as well is that ethan isnt even grilling him particularly hard on the detail here, just the simple facts of the matter. hasan takes such strong opinions on things yet when pressed lightly he can hardly articulate why he even believes what he does. its embarassing and worrying when you consider the influence he has.

[@paskowitz]

Maybe all these years later, Ethan really didn't need Sam Seder. Oh no, its Ethan Klein, surprise MF'er. With that said, going after Hasan's foreign policy takes is kinda easy mode.

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

Seder is an idiot, would have much rather watch Ethan roll Crowder anyway.

[@back2back379]

Hasan likes to provide "answers," he's narcissistic to the point that he thinks he has all the answers. Ethan understands this about Hasan, while also understanding that in a debate, it's better to ask questions using the tried and proven socratic method. Hasan lost the debate before it even began.

[@beth.darvell]

A lot of Hong Kongers fled Mainland China in the Cultural Revolution, or were sent to live with family in HK because of 1 child policy, so psychologically there's a huge difference. Legally, after the English gave HK back to china in 1997, part of the terms of the handover was that there would be a Special Administrrative Region of One Country, Two Systems. In 2019, China reneged on that with the introduction of National Security Law which is left wildly vague and can be used to disappear any dissenting voice as China sees fit. This caused 6 months of steady, violent protests in the city until COVID hit in January 2020 and everything was silenced. China had full control. In 2014, there were other protests over the lack of democracy because China was choosing the candidates for the public to vote on aka. not 1country, 2 systems and the leader appointed would purely be a Beijing puppet and was. You can't even have a map showing taiwan as a separate country in a classroom without breaching NSL. Sute you can "go to Hong Kong" but China has completely changed the city. There's no freedom or democracy and that is devastating.

[@AkilanNarayanaswamy]

Ethan was always pretty sharp back in the day even though he wasn't "book smart." Always asking good questions of situations. He just caught the cringe progressive brain rot

[@c.d.c9425]

Ironically 2020s progressivism is just 2017 conservatism but reversed. "hUH hUh tRrIGgEReD cOnSErVaTiVeS" "conservatives are the REAL snowflakes" "yeah punch a nazi brooo"

[@theowainwright7406]

The old ethan is returning

[@cjsites]

Hassan really does deserve the audience of 12 year olds he streams for.

[@roberteriksen6434]

You think he deserves an army of loyal 12 year old's ready to donate every cent of their parent's wallet ? I would love an audience like that.

[@snnnaaaaaakeeeee4470]

​​@@roberteriksen6434Same. As dumb and clown-able he is, he is still making a ridiculous amount of money with almost zero effort. Wish that was me. Worthy sacrifice.

[@Anonymous-ks8el]

Taiwan is the easiest topic to take a stance on, but Hasan is rambling harder than ever He is a tanky

[@badwolf3618]

It amazes me how much socialists/tankies/communist sympathizers will resent it when conservatives accuse the Left of being the first step towards Communism, or they will resent it when conservatives accuse the Left of ultimately wanting an authoritarian state with mass censorship..... But then do everything possible to avoid criticizing China. I am on the Left, but I recognize that any political ideology can be taken too far, and it drives me crazy when radical Leftists like Hasan give conservatives all the ammo they need to connect anything we do to trying to implement communism. Hasan is such a great example of someone who engages in politics for his personal edification rather than an honest pursuit of truth.

[@Kaybee3104]

The writers snapped with this new "Ethan the Debater" arc

[@Vereonis]

This is really well edited, I appreciate the longer cuts to relevant clips of other videos for clarity on Destiny's option without him having to repeat and to other videos of Hasan for context.

[@leejay1101]

33:44 we didn’t prop up Putin, wtf. He was KGB. He literally came from the old soviet guard who were mad that they no longer had all the power.

[@LS-jv9hp]

If Hasan stubs his toe he'd blame the CIA for it, you shouldn't expect any less from him.

[@brodude9208]

Everything bad that happens in the world is because of the CIA, haven't you heard?

[@hozyaka]

YES

[@hazzardalsohazzard2624]

If Taiwan is historically part of China and so they should be the same country, then why shouldn't Ireland be part of Britain?

[@SacredCASHcow]

it's not logic. China taking Taiwan is purely about power and flexing the same way North Korea enjoys shooting rockets into the ocean or Russia invading Ukraine. Reasons? There are no REAL reasons.

[@gogomarioloshi]

Right? Why not make most of Europe part of Italy?

[@freethinker810]

Ireland won a war against Britain and declared independence, Taiwan on the other hand never had a war of independence, and never declared independence. until now, Taiwan's official name is still "Republic of China", and their constitution says "our territory include both mainland China and Taiwan province".

[@KanderUdon]

@@freethinker810uh taiwan did fight a war against china they just lost. The reason they say that is because they claim that the Communist party is illegitimate and the nationalists are the true “Chinese government”

[@Dovahkiif]

I feel like Ethan has always been a pretty intelligent guy. It's just that he seeks validation in online spaces so badly that he will say some really dumb shit, but when it's something that hits close to home he's usually pretty intelligent about the points he brings up.

[@mayas4m]

the last time I was as bad at improvising as Hasan was in middle school

[@carlstevenson709]

"Hong Kong?!? What's a Hong Kong? Is that the monkey on the empire State building?"

[@HigherPowerCAPS]

Ethan hiding his power level

[@Doozy_Titter]

Hasan just REFUSES to say "I don't know"😂

[@DecayedPony]

At this rate Ethan is gonna have to find a new podcast partner for leftovers. Destiny x Ethan podcast *COPIUM*

[@GingerDrums]

The editing is getting so good over there. Sound Design, cuts and FX, this dude is fast and good 👍😊

[@happybirthdaypaulie8584]

Hasan is kinda proving Candace right. You really don’t need to be educated to be successful.

[@mlgfin]

Why did all of you think Ethan was dumb?😭

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

Ethan.

[@mlgfin]

@@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher not an answer at all.

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

@@mlgfin it's a glib answer, I'll grant you.

[@fnraven7917]

Drunken master debater is actually a sick pseudonym to have. Actually fits Ethan too.

[@Yambag]

I hate him but you're right it's a sick moniker 😂

[@Doozy_Titter]

Ethan is a conflicted person, he is smart but ideology from his environment dragged him to different directions

[@xoxsy1]

Exactly, I watch his shows and for me some of the people he hired influence him too much lately - he's smarter than them and should listen to his instinct. Also, Hila (he clearly loves her to death) changed A LOT.

[@Vosk21]

LA gives me the fucking creeps

[@martymcfly88mph35]

LA made them insufferable.

[@supercoolguy43]

Taiwanese dude here, if history is so important why doesn't Taiwan belong to Spain? to Portugal? to Japan? Our native dialect has a pretty heavy Japanese influence and even has borrowed Japanese words, so why China specifically?

[@AthrunWilshire]

It's become pretty apparent that Hasan has memorised talking points but doesn't actually know anything. Nor is he able to answer questions. I never really noticed it before but with recent events it's become obvious.

[@Aqoric]

I’m almost certain Hasan is getting Taiwan and Hong Kong confused. He uses terms like 1 country 2 systems and says that Taiwans 1 mile off the coast? Most popular political streamer btw

[@kristianandreasboban2358]

Ethan was always gifted but lazy in his preparation, in school he and his siblings got straight A:s despite not applying themselves fully. If Ethan truly applied himself he would probably be one of the best debaters on KZbin.

[@gearshift6118]

I wish Ethan/Destiny had jumped on Hasan's Vietnam example. Doesnt Vietnam kinda show that despite US media, a lot of Americans ended up opposing Vietnam? Doesnt that show that media wouldnt necessarily manufacture empathy or support if the people don't believe in the cause?

[@liamcarlson5524]

Love how Hasan tries to bring it back to the inception of Taiwan but doesnt actually know anything about what happened

[@liamcarlson5524]

Like it wasn't "what is now Taiwan claimed all of China was theirs" what is now Taiwan (The Kuomintang) was at the time the official and legitimate government of large sections of China after the fall of the Qing Dynasty, Mao and his communist forces allied with them to fight the Japanese but largely held his forces out of risky engagements to let Japan whittle down the Kuomintang and then went to war with them after WW2 ended and pushed them out of mainland China

[@bordedup546]

yea and he talks about how bad the pre-democratic government of taiwan was and how many attrocites they committed as if the ccp isn't the single greatest murder of all time under mao. it's almost as if someone told you that it would give a lot of weight to taiwan's yearning of independence: they don't want to be under the thumb of such a horrible regime with such a horrible track record

[@Cpt.PickHard]

People from Western Europe have no idea about whats going on in Eastern Europe, and they are rarely well-informed about events in neighboring states

[@MilkyxDad]

As someone who would probably be considered “conservative” by those around me Destiny is really starting to grow on me. Love your videos and the way you bring forth your arguments. Don’t agree with everything but it’s nice to see some apposing arguments that are actually based and not some wild stuff no one cares ab

[@TheJiggity1]

Ethan/Destiny bridge soon to come?

[@kumar01234]

Probably on off the rails or his twitch stream possibly and probably when Dan is out. If Hasan is there then there is no interview but Dan maybe open to it but probably not

[@Androidsquid31]

Ethan: Whats you opinion on Taiwan? Hasan: Have you ever… have… have you… Have you ever had a dream that you could do so much you can do anything.

[@ReverendLeRoux]

As a socialist and as I've said before, the reason I don't like Hassan is that hes not honest, and the reason I like Destiny is because he is.

[@ideapolice3074]

I used to watch Hasan all the time, I thought his Trump era and Jan 6 coverage was good but since this war I haven't been able to look at him the same.

[@IGiveTheBestTakes]

I think Ethan has just been kinda lost. I think he has genuine leftist beliefs he's just figuring them out, and he probably thought hasan was the same. Now he's figuring out hasan is a pop lefty that just uses big words.

[@neodaltiair8624]

Ethan has avatar mode sometimes, he channels the brainpower of all show hosts before him lol.

[@casualverse]

I never underestimated Ethan I kept saying yall sleeping on this man.

[@allblues2865]

As a european (swedish), spending a lot of time listening to and reading about foreign policy and the current geopolitical europe, i feel like the sentiment is that we worry A LOT about the ukraine situation, and support the independence of ukraine, basically all over most of europe. It feels like mostly super conservative people in europe is against supporting ukraine.

[@heyons2808]

Here in Italy we don’t care, this is soy false. No one cares as long as it doesn’t affect their bread and oil prices

[@IWumboNation]

The "im just fucking with you " line is the defintion of the entire leftovers show. Ethan never wanted to call out Hasan because he realized how crazy his fan base was. Hasans contribution to leftovers was calling every republican a hog and never taking a stance on any issue

[@AutisticAl]

"Young people progressives" Bro, he's 32 😂

[@jessedudezx]

Love how Hassan is completely ignorant about Taiwan and brings up the single similarity between Taiwan and China (their overlapping Han Chinese ethnicity) while ignoring the differences between their economies, militaries, cultures, languages (yes , Taiwan has their own language that every single person speaks aside from Mandarin, it's called Taiwanese), food, religions. And when Chinese people fly into Taiwan, guess which line they fall into: citizen or foreigner?

[@MK-cm6xo]

By Hasan's logic, Mexico would be more than justified in invading the USA and claiming New Mexico since the population is majority Hispanic.

[@apefu]

This is wild to me. I can't stand Ethan nowadays, but he rips Hasan without even trying. Kudos.

[@loganpaschedag8829]

Hasan talking about how Taiwan is Han Chinese as if all Taiwanese people are Han Chinese, when I could make the same argument about Austria is effectively German (which has more merit than “Taiwan = Chinese”)