HEATED DemonMama Debate Leads To Screaming Match And Ragequit

[@destiny]

Should kids be allowed to make the decision to not go to school? Check out Hanz ►kzbin.infovideos ►www.twitch.tv/hanzofharkir Why This Is DANGEROUS And IRRESPONSIBLE. (referenced video) ►kzbin.info/www/bejne/qGXGmmNmmqusmdE

[@TariqNasheed117]

Stop running from me Destiny

[@swashbuckler2319]

Anyone who says kids can independently decide whether they require an education or not, needs to touch grass

[@sirgentlebread7302]

No

[@LaserLlamas]

Who?

[@crasykills4718]

They are allowed to choose that. It's up to the parents to figure out a way to get them an education.

[@HanzOfHarkir]

Thanks for the review, appreciate the feedback. Will try to continue to improve my debating skills in the future!

[@naj4261]

"education is the Basis of society"(🤢🤮) vs "yummy food"(🥵😋)

[@markallen6433]

Your comments in chat were fucking gold as well Hanz. Class fucking act, A plus my dude. Fucking Natty for Life! Classic.

[@grashoppah]

This should be pinned. Thanks for the debate :)

[@LethalByChoice]

I noticed you were apprehensive and gave her the floor often when she was rudely interrupting you, I would really recommend you stand your ground, call her out immediately, shut that behavior down and be more firm in what you say.

[@Niko-pt9li]

@@markallen6433 imagine being natty, test + tren + deca 🤩

[@The_Plump]

If Demonmama attempted to raise a child the way she wants to, she's literally end up being the mama of a demon.

[@kye4216]

Hopefully it would be taken away from her so it doesn’t end up in a straight jacket

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

Hard to argue with that.

[@sanjicook08]

Well she's a guy, so

[@Bolizen]

@@sanjicook08 stop

[@ThysiaMusic]

@@sanjicook08 the BASEketball reference we didn't know we needed. Thank you for your service

[@torgan]

The virgin "schools are deeply flawed" vs the chad "how do I expand Runescape's display?"

[@aagh8714]

skipping school to play runescape? its just like real life 10 years ago

[@Eorzat]

@@aagh8714 No joke. My favorite summer vacations ever are the ones back in 7th/8th grade where I just played RuneScape all day.

[@arthurcallahan4735]

lmaoooooo so good

[@freem8son86]

Its like DemonMamma fundamentally doesn't understand the concept of a child lol. She's genuinely asking what you're supposed to do when faced with a six year old who says 'no'.

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

Give them controlling stakes in society obviously.

[@dingo4229]

Lol exactly. Tell me you have never had to raise a kid without telling me

[@xDDufiosy]

@@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher let them vote

[@DemothHymside]

My 6 year old has sometimes been defiant when he doesn't want to do something, or he wants something and I say "no". At least for my son, the solution is real easy and doesn't involve hurting him, but has several times involved me just picking him up and taking him to / away from something and the knowledge that there is nothing he can do about it. Now if DemonMama wants the hypothetical that he's going to go rabid at some point and try to claw my eyes out... first, I work CPS and kids going that bonkers for no reason is extremely rare, and second, most places have emergency behavioral health services for a child that out of control.

[@Nightknight1992]

@@DemothHymside exactly, whats the kid gonna do, stab you cuz you didnt listen to his no? xD

[@atmaweapon3958]

"In my system all kids will just choose to go to school, but in your system, all kids will violently resist going to school, therefore, my system works and yours doesn't" - DM

[@MrMctastics]

In your crappy capitalist system people are forced to clean sewers and murder livestock while in my wonderful socialist system people love beautifying sewers and making livestock go to sleep

[@comeatmebro8120]

Demonmama: "Do you beat your kid Hans?" Also Demonmama: "I didn't expect this much bad faith from you"

[@longhornsforeva]

Destiny: “Oh August cut here.” August: “You have no power here.”

[@abednegokurio9244]

This is practically August's channel anyway, Destiny just happens to appear all the time.

[@nikolastiscareno4963]

Destiny the grey

[@armaan1091]

You have no power here, Destiny the gay. I mean Destiny the latinx bi 🤪

[@limear]

@@armaan1091 gusanx

[@armaan1091]

@@limear True. /s

[@GKJusticar55]

I'm an assistant teacher to developmentally disabled kids. What Destiny says at 38:40 is 100% correct. Sometimes school is the only hope these kids have to obtain a shred of personal autonomy, integration and ultimately happiness in their lives. Often their disorders get diagnosed late and the struggle is so grueling that their family is not enough support to overcome what difficulties they have. Coexistence with their classmates is extremely important and it's one of the reasons why, at least in my country, public schools try to accomodate them as much as possible, as isolated education is less effective. I would also add that neurotypical kids benefit from interacting with them.

[@nunubot1456]

DemonMama's argument was so depressing. "Make school so interesting that all kids will want to go to school and we won't need to mandate it" is not a solution to kids not wanting to go to school. That's like saying "We should abolish our criminal justice system and instead get parents to raise their children perfectly so they won't commit any crimes."

[@bloonman1236]

I always say that I wish there were no hospitals, police and firefighters. Why? Well because if we did not have a need for them we would be living in a better place. Unfortunally we live in reality, and we need these systems in place, not because we can't do anything to leviate the problem, but because again we live in the real world where solutions take time and are not 100% effective we need to be realistic.

[@jerrickmarques8777]

she probably unironically believes that too so

[@thishandleistaken1011]

school makes kids dumber

[@TheBaconBasket1]

Very similar to aolish the healthcare system and just ban all fast food, sweet drinks, and all other processed consumables.

[@arnekrug939]

It also doesn't adress the problem that some children may want to attend school, but their parents don't want them or are too lazy or lack the means to bring them to school.

[@Brokenfirealarm]

Demonmama justifying children not getting any education is actually disgusting. Kids should have fun but they NEED to be prepared for when they grow up.

[@alecatnight1540]

Heh so you’re saying you would be okay forcing a neurodivergent kid to attend a social space where they could experience traumatizing events such as being called a poopy head by their classmate?????

[@docbp87]

Demonmama taking an essentially anti-intellectualism stance while posturing as the "ackshually enlightened one"? Well I'll be damned. Shocking!

[@AnimeFan9833]

@@alecatnight1540 Let's not pretend that school can't actually be a deeply traumatizing experience. Kids can be incredibly cruel and hurt each other both physically and psychologically.

[@Toxic-th4si]

@@alecatnight1540 so what's ur solution to that problem? Not sending em to school?

[@ataridc]

I dont get it because she could advocate for a less rigid education system that incorporates different kinds of learning for the kids she thinks could be left behind, but she has to find the most extreme positions and I honestly think it's just because it gets her engagement online because no normal people think like this.

[@lil_pan46]

When acting in bad faith, just tell the other person they’re acting in bad faith so you don’t look like you’re acting in bad faith

[@swaggitypigfig8413]

Spoken like a heretic

[@ARealPersonNotABot]

Do you guys not get sick of using the phrase "Bad faith"?

[@aagh8714]

@@ARealPersonNotABot no, im a dark souls fan

[@e.d.5766]

But, if you say that someone is bad faith, that could seem like a bad faith dismissal of their arguments.

[@emzee1148]

Projection is one of the most effective tools in all of rhetoric.

[@Crispman_777]

As a _physically_ disabled person, Destiny's take on not understanding general disability is 100% correct. It's so amazingly obvious when people have zero experience with disability and act like they know what they're talking about if you have experience (first or second hand).

[@dbz287]

Can you give an example

[@LB-mr8qv]

There's a million examples, tons of examples

[@Crispman_777]

@@dbz287 Not really without reeling off anecdotes with my own opinions attached. It's vague and hard to describe without going through it. It's in people's reactions mostly. Fear or short term selfish sympathy. People saying "I'd top myself if I had what you had" and acting like you're Superman for not doing so. Really tactless basic questions like "How do you shit?" or "Can you feel your legs?" or witless doctors saying "You're not walking much". Growing up I was by necessity with my Mum *a lot* and when I wasn't excited to see her at the end of the day people would lecture about "quality family time" failing to realise the sheer overabundance of it we were both forced to endure. You might be lucky enough to have a religious nut tell you to pray more and miracles will happen. I've had people tell me that physiotherapy (aka physical therapy) is supposed to hurt (it isn't). People assuming you're mentally disabled or just thick until you say something that demonstrates otherwise and then you're Superman again. The classic "Just go out more!" or the idea that sitting on the side lines while someone else does a thing is the same as doing said thing. Or being repeatedly offered help finding prostitutes. Idk. People are weird.

[@Crispman_777]

@@LB-mr8qv Golden

[@IsThatEtchas]

@@betzenjammer3980 I don't have a physical disability but fuck, the advice drives me nuts. I have severe ADHD and N24. If someone advises lists or sleep hygiene to me again, I am going to blow a gasket. Plus, fuck the people who thinks that ADHD meds "are a crutch" or need to be avoided at all costs. When I have kids, they are being assessed ASAP and getting on meds as soon as they're able. Not being medicated until I was an adult caused me so much completely unnecessary pain and suffering.

[@canadianteacher2949]

Why is demon mama always so emotionally invested in her arguments? It never works out for her LMAO

[@OlPalJoe]

she's emotionally invested in winning imo. i don't think she has cares about much

[@mechanomics2649]

I think being emotionally invested is reasonable if you actually care about the topics you're arguing about. I get emotionally invested myself. However, I do think that there is a kind of balance where you need to keep yourself in check rather than letting emotions run away from you. With Demonmama, she's not only emotionally invested but is fairly abrasive. I do also think that, like Joseph said, she's entirely too emotionally invested in "winning" or being right.

[@adrycough]

@@OlPalJoe *flashback to Dylan's panel*

[@rahma6992]

being emotionally invested isn't a problem, she was just emotionally invested and wrong

[@jessecraft1199]

The problem is she is more emotionally invested than she is intellectually invested.

[@zacharychristy8928]

Destiny saying "August, Cut" like it's a Harry Potter spell is the greatest.

[@himihip]

time stamp?

[@belalshaheen9657]

@@himihip 1:45 ~

[@joshuagarza7884]

Factually it is

[@zacharychristy8928]

Has the same energy as "AZIZ, LIGHT!"

[@zacharychristy8928]

@@JoseVasquez-ni7tr yeah, lol

[@Guitarmaster7272]

"Just make schools better and u won't have to force em to go" Gee, why didn't we think of that. It's like we weren't trying to do that already everywhere and always.

[@healingv1sion]

No one has ever called a school lunch "yummy"

[@aagh8714]

SOYYY PIZZA ROLLS

[@papathicc9515]

Aye speak for yourself homie the hot lunches in my county gave us tacos on Fridays hahahaha

[@nealangelo5759]

I work in a school. We have these cheese stick things that are like the stuffed crust part of the pizza only and they're the fucking BOMB.

[@angelsalinas9536]

Those alien cheese sticks were fire tho.

[@Liberater4589]

the burgers at my school were really good, although I went to a private school who had a professional food service so that's prolly why

[@S4LeagueSinnlos]

This is literally the most blatantly bad faith discussion Demonmama ever had, this is horrible

[@Daemakon]

Every discussion Demonmana ever has is bad faith.

[@darkarchonisme]

I think the argument about changing the votes for a hippy dippy event might have been more bad faith, but yeah she's basically a crybully all the time.

[@Azraelmaximilian]

I think DaScrubking and Vaush are both really obvious ones, Scrub because he was chill and good faith the whole time to the point where it was obvious she was walking all over him by constantly interrupting and calling him an incel, and Vaush because he was not only being reasonable the whole time but even conceded to her main point at the very start but just didn't accept her hyperbolic rephrasing of her initial claim, plus he's gone out of his way to defend her previously even at her worst so there's no presumption of them have previous beef which she can use to falsely claim that he serially harasses her. When it's against someone she's combative with she's really good at crybullying and playing the victim, but when she's against someone who's good faith and significantly less aggressive it becomes really obvious that she's just an asshole.

[@AI3Dorinte]

lol, no, not even close.

[@ForeverMasterless]

I HATED school buttt... you can't just let kids be allowed to not go to school. The repercussions for the rest of their life and society as a whole are dramatic and tragic.

[@Lizard1582]

Yeah, learning to read and getting used to being around hundreds of strangers should be enough to make school a no-brainer.

[@MO-zk8qs]

There was a lot to hate about school as a kid or teen but honestly there were some great times and I take so much of what it did for my childhood and general health for granted. Like yeah our education system needs some work but zero mandate? no way

[@RustCole01]

@@MO-zk8qs Sending kids to school is important, in the same way it is important to socialize dogs. It allows them to form healthy relationships and learn how to coexist with others. Isolated kids end up having serious potential for problems in their adult life

[@Lizard1582]

@@MO-zk8qs I went to a secondary school at the end of high school where there was no homework and all the teachers actually cared. They were the happiest and most productive years of my teenage-hood and it was essentially because I had no anxiety or dread over home assignments; everything school related started and ended during school hours. I think having responsibilities akin homework are important but it can be a big source of misery for some kids. imo, they shouldn't tie the idea of mandatory work to learning.

[@JoeSmith-jp7bk]

I had 60% attendance all of school and I turned out great

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

My only takeaway from this is Demonmama shouldn't give parental advice. August, thanks for the wee treat at the end we don't deserve you.

[@joshuaeudy882]

Non parents giving parental advice always makes me cringe into oblivion.

[@Caminacels]

Man, I'm so tired of people claiming they're neurodivergent. At this point I don't even care if it's true or not, it's such a cheap conversation stopper.

[@TheAwesomoe]

Something that I didn't see was why Destiny would go so hard against DM at first. I mean, there were flawed takes and everything, but it seemed a bit excessive. Now I totally get it, there truly is nothing positive associated with this encounter.

[@melancomas8076]

My entertainment

[@xDDufiosy]

The positive thing is now more people are aware of the DM grift.

[@chanr9531]

@@melancomas8076 i usually like these type of content but this was just too much for me. Lost braincells trying to sit through this one.

[@joshecker6907]

She thinks he hurt her feelings by making her look bad, when in reality he's just asking her questions and it's her own answers making her look bad. Sad and lame. Lmao.

[@arisrayden]

i've yet to find anything positive about dm anywhere

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

Demonmama is so disconnected from reality. I remember as early as 3rd grade my classmates and I fantasized about destroying/blowing up our school. Idk how anyone would assume kids would prefer Math class over games or shows.

[@hismajestylordsmenkhare5878]

RIP Manato and Moguzo. Domo!!!! Demonmama seems to have chosen this topic literally to argue, doesn't listen has no real coherent point of view and the whole premise is devoid of reality and is just insane and impossible when placed in actual reality.

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

@@hismajestylordsmenkhare5878 Damn, a Light novel reader (and one with great taste.) Good to see another fan of Grimgar out in the wild :) And Joe Lewis had a debate with Hakim later that I thought went better on the subject. His argument being there should be some level of compulsory learning but it should be more locally/district decided than federally (in order to allow breathing room for local traditions, holidays, or weather phenomena.) I am still somewhat partial to an idealized group of federal mandates but at that point Joe had completely shut the conversation down to educate on the specifics of our current system and very particular phrasing involved.

[@hismajestylordsmenkhare5878]

@@haruhirogrimgar6047 here in UK school is mandatory unless you live quite rurally and there isnt a school nearby, if homeschooling is chosen to be done I believe proof that the child is actually being educated needs to be provided periodically. We also have exemptions for things like religious holidays etc but otherwise my opinion is that school needs to be mandatory up to a certain level such as highschool, university/college is the individuals choice otherwise people just won't be fit for society plus in life you have to do things you don't want to do, having to go to school when you don't want to helps build the needed mentality for life, improvements can be made obviously especially when it comes to bullying but overall it's a needed mandate I think

[@scarlet8078]

August, the content inserted at 36:25 is very eye-opening! 👍🏽💞 It's so true that social media feeds cause users to self-diagnose, because of how algorithms conflate identity & diagnoses. It's sad how many kids suddenly get convinced that they have conditions like DID (it's exceedingly rare, if it even exists at all in the form that's shown online)

[@S.A.N.503]

I completely agree with Destiny's point around the 18:00 mark. I didn't give a shit about certain topics in school because of my interest levels. But later in life, I found myself extremely interested in those same topics and search for the information in my free time. So I completely agree with that proposal, if it were somehow manageable.

[@Potatotenkopf]

I love demonmama-destiny interactions they're the funniest shit ever.

[@shockwavesyndrome6433]

Have you seen Twitter?!??

[@seanells2333]

@@shockwavesyndrome6433 why isn’t that a dono sound yet

[@Potatotenkopf]

@@shockwavesyndrome6433 I will bear witness to the deepest pits of hell, dankest depths of tartarus, and ends of the Styx before I open Twitter.

[@aagh8714]

@@shockwavesyndrome6433 DO YOU THINK IM SOME SORT OF JESTER

[@shockwavesyndrome6433]

@@aagh8714 waiteaiwaiwaiwaiwait… wHaT?? Waiitwaiwaiwaiwait… WhAT

[@noisemagician]

DemonMama brings out the worst in me, I must really control myself not to post a nuclear comment with every insult in the book.

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

Go for it. I'd rather not hear about someone having randomly combusted on the news tomorrow. Besides it's only Demonmama.

[@Old_School_293]

I call Demonmama the Andrea Dworkin or the Fred Phelps of the trans movement. The reason I do, is both of those people were so angry and behaved in such an ugly, reprehensible way that they actually drove people away from their movements (feminism for Dworkin and Christianity for Phelps). Demonmama is the worst thing that could happen to the trans movement.

[@andersmeisner1642]

@amen ra misgendering is just rude though - let’s insult her, but not just be transphobic

[@calculator91]

@@andersmeisner1642 Being rude to people can definitely be an insult..

[@andersmeisner1642]

@@calculator91 Sure, but misgendering is not only just rude, it’s unnecessarily cruel. And, it would hive her ammunition against us.

[@justintyler4814]

I have autism and ADHD and somehow listening to denimmomma made me dumber. Not that autistic people or ADHD people are dumb, just that I personally was. But now I'm stupid. Thanks denjismama

[@qwerty1233787]

@amen ra cringe

[@qwerty1233787]

@amen ra we get it, you hate trans people. You're not the protagonist of the world, my guy. You don't have to constantly broadcast your opinions to everyone. You're really not that interesting or unique.

[@wydmark]

@@qwerty1233787 i thought it was interesting and unique

[@justintyler4814]

@amen ra just know the point of using Mama was both to stick to a jokey device, as well as not demean the person I'm making fun of simply for who they are outside of an idiot. I don't care that she's trans (please forgive me if I'm saying the wrong shit I don't keep track of ppls gender) but I do care that she's an idiot. I can only hope for a world where everyone feels the same.

[@Slyslug]

@@qwerty1233787 spot the vaush fan "my guy"

[@coleleo1220]

The chat message at 40:42 "You told this story like an hour ago" killed me LUL

[@SaintMaxxi]

Ha ha ha, good one

[@RealFreedomMG]

"You seem pretty hyped for this" _20 minutes later_ "WAAAAIIT WOAH WOOOOOAAAAHH OH WOOOW! HANZHANZHANZ! EXCUSE ME! STOPSTOPSTOP HANZ IM DONE, IM DONE!" Ah the sweet smell of bloodsports in the morning.

[@radscorpion8]

Do you really enjoy screaming or do you just say you enjoy screaming

[@RealFreedomMG]

@@radscorpion8 People screaming about dumb political issues soothes me like a lullaby

[@RealFreedomMG]

@@kevincola3184 With how Twitch is this is the closest we'll get. Sadly content like the Kumite is now a bygone age.

[@gavinhayes12312]

any Destiny video that has a quote and black background for the thumbnail is a certified hood classic

[@odellatics]

I don’t know if I can finish this, demonmama is bad for my blood pressure.

[@petyrbaelish1216]

Is this why my blood pressure is 168/82?

[@VinnieGer]

Literally hit the desk as I was watching this. Gotta chill.

[@AniKhang]

I can’t finish this video either, it’s actually so painful to listen to lmaoo

[@kittypig3619]

This is why we need to mandate demon mama x destiny videos

[@spitfiremase]

I never knew who demonmama was, but boy does she like to act like she's being interrupted when she cuts everyone off.

[@spitfiremase]

Also: I never not wanted to go to school paired with school is traumatizing in the same case. Ok.

[@adamyooz]

@@spitfiremase School is simultaneously a great and fun facility for learning that demon mama has never seen any child in her family reject and a traumatic, deeply flawed institution that will invoke violent feral rejection in children. Very interesting analysis on her part.

[@HollaAtKrazy]

Screaming matches in this fine Friday morning *rubs hands like birdman *

[@ToCODandBEYOND]

Love your reactions man! Keep up the grind

[@boringname3657]

Ummm what are you talking about? It's evening in central Europe...

[@kamarpeets8756]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@HollaAtKrazy]

@@boringname3657 ……….I’m in America

[@boringname3657]

@@HollaAtKrazy I live in central Europe and I've never been in America, so that's the whole world for me. Get used to it.

[@TheFoggyHollows]

The worst thing that I hear DemonMama do is when she says “There are arguments to be made for…” It’s so cringe when she is in the middle of a debate where she’s supposed to make arguments, but instead, her argument is that there are, in fact, arguments to be made 😂

[@tigresuave11]

Ah, the 1st world problem of trying to show off how you're "different, atypical, and special" while also claiming that all of society should conform to fit to your experience.

[@redexpulsion91]

Demonmama: I think vaccine mandates are good but not mandates for school because vaccine mandates stop something viral. Me: Isn't ignorance a force of nature that's needs to be fought?

[@joshuaeudy882]

This is the thing that I have yet to see addressed. Not to go full Idiocracy, but I would think it's fairly reasonable to expect that if education stops being mandated, far far fewer kids will go, laying the ground for succeeding generations to be significantly less intelligent.

[@redexpulsion91]

@@joshuaeudy882 I definitely agree! Kinda been feeling the left and right have been pushing farther into anti-intellectualism to obtain more following than to use rationality and education to sway people. Personally I feel opinions play way too huge of a role in politics than it should be currently. Obvious debate is different than opinion but conspiracy and shit is getting a little toxic

[@MarceloAbans]

Demon momma's understanding of child rearing i insane.. @28:30 What is infuriating about people like this is they literally have no children and have never interacted with them in way where you have these kinds of conversations. What do you do when a child doesn't what to go to school? You explain to them the disadvantages and show real world examples. My son had this phase, as most kids do because some parents don't explain to them the utility of what they are learning. The "Why?" and it's need for it. Kids have a reputation of the ever regressive "why" questions but only the parents that don't want to learn WITH their child have that issue. If they want to know something, and they don't know a very common statement in my home was "Ok let's learn about this together.." You explain that in life we have to do things that maybe we would prefer not to do but if you want to reach a goal we have to find the drive for it. NONE OF OF WHAT I SAID is a knock out solution it's always going to take sitting down with the kid and having a conversation; something A LOT of parents don't have the patience for and when the alternative is so easy to do. "Do what I say or consequences." usually involving "spanking" or some bullshit. 30:18 - OMG this cunt. No you have a discussion about Courage and how sometimes one has to confront something despite being scared. This person have NEVER interacted with a child in a meaningful way.

[@scarlet8078]

Exactly. All of us with good parents were given the talk that, "sometimes in life we have to do things that we don't want to do." I feel like Demonmama was never given that talk. My parents were pretty strict in many ways, even made me practice the piano every day & I'd cry. But in hindsight, being made to do that was one of the best gifts they ever gave me! The truth is that kids don't know what's good for them, so parents have to help them along

[@MarceloAbans]

@@scarlet8078 I don't think it was so much we DIDN'T wanted to do but rather we didn't understand why we needed to do what we needed to do. I'd tell my son "You think I wanna wipe my butt after I poo? It's gross!! But if I don't then I'll smell,...." and continue listing ACTUAL reasons not what a lot parents default to as "Because I said so." Also kids are just down ass people, wanting to be a part of something. As a parent it's our job is to teach them things like how to walk, so they can maneuver through space. Eat so they don't starve. Wash their hands to prevent diseases. Like destiny mentioned she's that woman who sees their child crying and is at a loss. I normally don't like to toss out the line "You don't have kids so you don't understand" since it's often used as an excuse but this is genuinely one of those moments. By her logic, her literally baby would never be forced to walk if they didn't want. No perspective at all.

[@cokeMONSTERps3]

I'm always suspicious of people who want children "liberated", able to make choices for themselves as if they're adults. Pretty blatant where that road goes down.

[@BareBandSubscription]

Yeah, I’m pretty sure NAMBLA was all for the same thing.

[@gabrielgyorffy1373]

It all makes so much sense now. Recently calling vg an advocate for child r***. I see it so clearly now its all projection keepo

[@cokeMONSTERps3]

@@gabrielgyorffy1373 That conversation was embarassing.

[@EbolaWagon]

@@cokeMONSTERps3 what did he even say?

[@cokeMONSTERps3]

@@EbolaWagon beats me. Recollections gone.

[@deathbygoo3607]

DemonMama is engaging in the Motte and Bailey fallacy, the Motte is "School should not be mandated because it has problems with it" and the Bailey is "School should not be mandated even if it is perfect." She keeps retreating to school having problems with it because it is a more defensible position as if it is justifying her more controversial point when it is not.

[@chanr9531]

Plus if she can provide a good alternative to mandating schools (even if the schools are hypocritically perfect) she’d have a much stronger argument but she literally can’t come up with a single practical alternative solution for this.

[@nb4411]

School shouldn't be mandated because nobody should be forced to do things against their will for "the greater good" School will never be perfect. People are different, and we are not robots. This hypothetical doesn't work because it is impossible.

[@nb4411]

@@chanr9531 She doesn't need to come up with an alternative. Her argument does not rely on this. It's not up to her to come up with alternatives.

[@Tremors-8]

@@nb4411 "nobody shnobody should be forced to do things against their will for "the greater good"" i seriously doubt you believe this and the point of the hypothetical is pretty clear, doesnt matter if its impossible.

[@zaephou2843]

@@nb4411 >nobody should be forced to do things against their will for "the greater good" I know for a fact that you don't seriously believe this because that would mean you are incapable of thinking of any hypothetical situation where doing this would be morally justifiable, and I think that you are perfectly capable of this.

[@Gametastica]

As someone with real diagnosed ocd, people saying "I'm so ocd because I like to have a neat workspace" might be the most damaging thjng to me getting support, it's becoming a point where I have to ask doctors to please check my notes so they know I'm not just inflating a problem. My house being messy and people coming in saying "I thought you had ocd" shows how massively misinformed the general population is on the condition, its not a cleaning super power, it's the fear that if I don't check my doors five times before bed someone absolutely will break in and kill me and my family, and I will not be able to convince myself otherwise even though if someone else said that I could easily be like "you're being unreasonable"

[@andrewb3677]

An actual parent watches two non-parents slapfight about how to raise children. AMAZING!

[@joshuaeudy882]

Yup!

[@_basedperry]

Read this is JLP’s voice.

[@MarusaTheBadKid]

Destiny has a kid who is 11 yo i think

[@ChichiNaka]

people like demonmama and mikefrompa seem like such insane people, where do these kinds of people fit into normal society if they can't scream online

[@keithfilibeck2390]

they kill people, these kinds of people have such malignant personality flaws that if they couldn't scream and cry and destroy people online, they'd literally hack up hookers.

[@rabiespuddings1735]

People like demon mama or Mike from PA are literally the types of people that the anti-sjw crowd from 2016 projected onto everyone else that was even remotely progressive..... I used to think people like this didn't genuinely exist. Or at least not outside of certain wacky circles on Tumblr. God, this is so bad..

[@ReverendLeRoux]

I can assure you that in her day to day, DemonMama likely interacts with people as little as possible and the times she does interact with other people, it's very deliberate.

[@oephry3253]

Something I think demonmama can work on is listening to the other side. Whenever I watch her debates, it feels like she tries to debate a point that she thinks someone is gonna bring up that she already has a counter to and preemptively, a lot of the time, cuts them off to do so. Or like when she debated skrubking she would reframe his argument in a way that made him the incel (because that's the type of rhetoric she came to debate) and attack it over and over so it doesn't feel like she's even engaging with the person she is debating. She does this in a super aggressive way and tends to monologue at people not even giving them time to speak. In all her debates I have seen, she has spoken way more than the other party. She should try taking notes and asking more clarifying questions. This makes it feel more conversational and good faith instead of the prepared speeches she seems to have. She engages in debates in the same fashion as when she just making points to her chat.

[@Greatkingrat88]

She's not interested in that. All she wants is cheap dunks on her opponents, because she's like a worse Vaush clone.

[@sargeteg5927]

But the thing is, the constant interrupting and not listening to the other side isn't a lack of debate experience or something she knows that needs to improve. It's a deliberate debate technique to not let the other side make an argument. When the ragequit happened, it was obvious that she couldn't counter the argument. In all the interactions I've seen of her so far, if she let the other side speak freely, it would be even more obvious how outclassed she is intellectually.

[@2lostbikes]

"You haven't earned the right to be this condescending" sums up Demon Mama's entire online persona.

[@JennyDarukat]

>"kids actually love going to school" aight I'm out

[@TheStraightGod]

Okay, far from loving the idea of defending DemonMama but didn't she just say she enjoyed going to school, not that kids in general love going to school?

[@Vulpes_Shinbi]

Real quick Jenny, how much Destiny do you watch? Like.. you click on your profile and it's all reactions on Destiny stuff

[@TecTitan]

@@TheStraightGod I'm pretty sure Demonmama said themselves and siblings didn't have troubles wanting to go to school but it was also her position that there should be alternatives because the school system doesn't work and kids don't want to go. DemonMama will say anything that sounds optically enticing because actually winning a debate on the facts isn't the goal and never was. Just like a child playing make believe but being annoying about it, DemonMama never accepts defeat like as if the mere acknowledgement of it was somehow required. "your attack missed" "I'm impervious to your bullets" "I can't lose" It's like that, but in adult conversation format. Not agreeing with DemonMama is the same thing as being bad faith because she believes she must concede to lose and therefore if she hasn't conceded your assertion she is incorrect is gaslighting. People like this actually believe their own hype and are absolutely corrosive to whatever identity they attach themselves to as though they can represent it. If Trans people have trouble with good representation then the last thing they ever needed was DemonMama. An adult that refuses to accept reality. The literal actually very last thing a trans community would want to put on display as though it represents them as a whole. The idea that their identities are real and requires both consideration and respect being important, parading this vaush charade around would be completely antithetical. >Take us seriously, our position is valid and real. But also: Demon Mama. It just can't coexist. Trans people deserve good representation just like everyone else. Not self-proclaimed and grossly overly-entitled narcissists.

[@BleuSkiddew]

23:00 no, the worst thing was living in an area where there were two counties with the same name across state lines and you'd see the name of your county only to see it followed up by the wrong state.

[@Jonathan-gk8jq]

Of the upwards of 60 kindergarten children I've taught, ONE was terrified of school and she mostly got over that in 2 months

[@IsThatEtchas]

My mum runs a preschool/creche that was beside my house growing up and I was constantly in there. Kids love preschool because it's mostly play based and child led. I don't think it can be compared to more formal primary school or secondary school though.

[@seanmacd4274]

How anyone can watch DemonMama and find it entertaining/enlightening is beyond me. Sanctimonious, incoherent, tempestuous.

[@Zenweaponry]

Demon Mama is utterly vacuous. All fluff, no point, but still feels the need to monopolize the conversation and interject constantly.

[@matt_9112]

Not like mandatory schooling was put in place originally to get kids of fields (and later out of coal mines etc.) and provide them with knowledge that was previously limited to clerics/nobility...what a giant turd of an argument... Picture a 12 y/o from a poor background delivering newspapers all day to support his family, because there's literally nothing preventing it...

[@papathicc9515]

Dude, yes. That's the huge reason why this pisses me off because of how education was literally at one point a victim of gatekeeping only available to the rich. DM is just a privileged white individual with no clue what they're talking about.

[@AnimeFan9833]

Yep, really poor families need to get their kids working as early as possible, those kids are never gonna make much money without good education and their kids aren't going to either.

[@kiss-shotacerola-orionhear220]

Get rid of mandatory schooling doesnt mean you must lose the right of free education, you are paying taxes for this, instead of this voucher system should be introduced.

[@smokeymidnight5032]

I'm liking Destiny's beard. Not liking the lack of multitasking gaming and eating while analyzing this debate though.

[@Ivan-qf4mt]

Swedish internet connection took it from us

[@e.d.5766]

He didn't bring his styrofoam cups for hot chocolate either.

[@carrier2823]

We need get interrupted by a tall Swedish lady this time though so that was fun

[@Mickeylmao]

he was playing runescape he just cant show on laptop

[@thenayancat8802]

This is so funny to watch. I have no idea how Hanz didn't burst out laughing at how inconsistent and nonsensical DM's arguments were. I'd have just started trolling after like 20 minutes.

[@shadyflakes6979]

21:50 Destiny refers to himself as a "we" implying he is multiple. The true 5head.

[@omegachen]

the royal wee

[@bengreen171]

if you haven't managed to socialize your child well enough that they can actually face school - that's on you, and you've already failed. That's nothing to do with the school itself, and home schooling isn't going to solve that major malfunction.

[@xDDufiosy]

And often times school is the best place to begin socialization.

[@r1ght_n0w]

@@xDDufiosy Bullying is a thing of course, but y'know what. Sometimes it's better to go through that rather than be protected all your life and end up entering college with 0 life experience

[@xDDufiosy]

@@r1ght_n0w yeah, facing that kind of adversity is part of socialization, not everyone you meet will be kind to you. Sometimes you meet someone like demonmama who will gaslight you into oblivion.

[@modernmind5872]

@@r1ght_n0w Suicide is the second leading cause of death for teenagers aged 15-19. The idea that harassment is always going to be overcome or that it must be endured in order for a person to understand that they won't be universally liked is a thought that can only come out of the mind of someone who hasn't got even a remedial understanding of psychology.

[@modernmind5872]

@@george-xcx "Just toughen up, lighten up, it's not like millions of people are dying, so this bad thing actually isn't that bad." Unacceptable.

[@swaggitypigfig8413]

“WOAH WOAH HOAH!“ - DemonMama 2021

[@MrMctastics]

Yeah umhm siiiiiiiiiiiiggggghhhh yep

[@MrMctastics]

When I meet people like this, I make it my goal to figure out how to never have to interact with them again

[@swaggitypigfig8413]

@@MrMctastics yeah it’s pretty yikestiny

[@chanr9531]

“Yummy food” -DemonMama 2021

[@siggy2609]

"What happens when your kid fights you to not get in the car" Bro I'm not losing to a 6 year old tf?

[@idontgetthejoke4813]

Is hugging violence? No? Well that's basically all I need to do to get them in the car, problem solved.

[@nocuh]

August taking the “cut here” literally lmao 🦆

[@candorcore3502]

August has clearly reached the point where he knows he can be a bit sassy and it's just great

[@uns33n]

Demon mama literally made 2 huge arguments for the first thirty minutes. The first is that kids hate school to the point that it's detrimental to their well being. The next 15 minutes is that kids all love school and that there is no need to force kids to go to school since all kids want to go. Which no only is the antithesis of the first argument. But also removes all potential harms for forcing kids to go to school (since everyone chooses it anyway)

[@quantum_beeb]

Kinda unbelievable DemonMama has followers

[@MemekingSupreme]

Hanz: I don't want to know what you would personally do, I want to know what you're advocating for. Demonmama: *screams loudly* WOAH WOAH WOOOOAAAAHHH, YOU WANT TO BE PERFORMATIVE HUH? The complete lack of self awareness, DM comedy writes itself.

[@Fakery]

No Gish, All Gallop. The famous DM Troll Trot

[@berndo3038]

I GENUINELY, LITERALLY, ACTUALLY did not expect Demon Mama to know anything about anything but I LITERALLY didn't LITERALLY know that ACTUALLY she GENUINELY didn't LITERALLY know LITERALLY anything about LITERALLY anything.

[@LordVurg]

Dude I used to do the 7 million superstitious rituals for snow days like putting a wooden spoon under my pillow and flushing ice cubes down the toilet what world does DM live in lol

[@chriscueva1866]

I did the same but it never worked. Maybe it has something to do with living in Miami?

[@coleb2264]

I was legit shocked to hear her give that take. She must have just lived her entire life never seeing any children irl to have this bad of a take

[@TheBlackSpastic]

The thing about Saturdays and your weekend being ruined... I still feel that way as an adult :/

[@B1G_WENGH]

Going into this weekend like, “whoa! Whoa! Whoa!”

[@SaintMaxxi]

Oh fuck. "Sunday not being a real weekend day" triggered something in me. Also, BRAH... wasn't ready for the Ocelot vs Liquid clip. Thanks man

[@justacomment8773]

Because Sunday isn't really on the weekend. THIS MAN DON'T MISS

[@SaintMaxxi]

It really hurts how true that is. Even post school, in career mode. You have Saturday off. You have Sunday to get ready for the next week.

[@bobjenkins4925]

It's painful that DM gets to have this opinion without there being a way for her to have to live with the consequences of seeing it happen. Like holy shit plug them into the Matrix for a few months in a version where half the kids haven't been going to school since 30 years ago and it's basically a third world country.

[@spotsthenpc7796]

if she ever has kids, she will realize.

[@BlackAndBlue_xd]

"consider this a serious mark on our friendship" new dono sound when

[@Toxic-th4si]

Imagine thinking these people are gonna win any higher office at all with insane positions like these LMAO

[@michaelmoore7975]

@41:27 No, not might. They _do_ exhibit other symptoms. They _do_ make themselves worse off. They _do_ go to a physician and demand treatment for their self-diagnosis. And if unsuccessful, they shop around until they are successful. @41:45 _Webochondriac._

[@jmwvirgil]

I don't understand how anyone follows people like MikeFromPA or this DemonMama guy. They're so obviously not acting in good faith. How do they even have audiences?

[@jadespades4237]

41:47 A good example is this lady on dr. Pimple popper who went to many doctors claiming to have a skin disease and all of them told her she had OCD. Dr. PP even pointed out how she knew it was OCD because nature isn't jagged and it's only occuring in places the lady could reach. The lady still refused to believe it because she had self diagnosed. I felt bad because she had so many scars from just picking on herself.

[@betterthanrae8137]

"me and my siblings loved going to school, never had an occasion where i didn't like school." "um...i dont think you know hanz, that schools are damaging to every child. its not all sunshine and rainbows, children are being harmed at high rates"

[@winchestersage7773]

Demon's voice is deeper than the voice of James Earl Jones.

[@angusmarch1066]

I find it hilarious that Demon Mama is using all the same talking points that little kids use to get elected as class rep in Year 2/2nd Grade.

[@etherealsunny]

😭😭😭

[@PoorEdward]

“kids like learning” “what if he kills his parents and escapes the school like a prison room”

[@GurtGobain]

imagine getting bullied in school so hard that you have to take this debate stance

[@timoyr2954]

14:00 My knowledge is based 15 years ago and in one of the bigger cites in Finland, but if in Primary School you refused to go to school, eventually The Police would escort you to school. If you still ditched it after, eventually your parents would lose custody of you (granted both kids I personally knew who did this were already in foster care provided by the state)

[@TheTrivert]

"A mark on our friendship" that's fucking rich.

[@Enthusiasm441]

That Ahrelevant clip is the truest shit I've ever heard. I did this with the free lunch programs in the summer. 🤣

[@some-nerd]

This is one of the best destiny vids I’ve seen in a while. 👌🏼🔥

[@Cycstorm]

The best part of tbis debate was Destiny trying to change his password at the end.

[@aj00]

I love that Destiny has nightmares about chat trolling him to get his runescape character killed lmao

[@mattyb3780]

21:30 I went to boarding school. I actually have very fond memories. But we had to go sunday night to chapel, and remember always feeling dogshit all of sunday leading up to it.

[@blinkanddie3397]

26:04 Editor pls do this more often!

[@blinkanddie3397]

wait that sounded sarcastic, I'm being serious. I lose track of their statements

[@justintyler4814]

Dear destiny's editor, Please take a sound bite of everyone in his debate space begging for someone to stop cutting them off and let them finish. If destiny had the ability to hit a soundboard that has his opponent saying the same thing they're doing in real time in their voice it would probably embarrass them into giving up the bottleneck they're putting in the conversation.

[@CptVein]

Thats a good idea

[@zachh6214]

I was one of those kids that always tried to get out of school. I walked straight out the front doors during school hours and tried to walk 5 miles home as a kindergartener. Fought with kids daily, threw chairs, picked fights with teachers, the works essentially. What helped? I had principals that would chase me down and drag me back. I had one or two teachers that I liked and would talk to me. Eventually I was sent to a child psychiatrist and realized I had attention deficit issues and clearly a problem with authority. The school offered help and we’re good schools. I can only imagine how fucked I would have been if my parents just kept me home

[@SJNaka101]

Lmaoooo, the context clips from 5 seconds ago are hilarious. Reminds me of a poorly paced anime where they do flashbacks to things that just happened

[@joaquinbarzi9294]

Destiny wearing a self referential t-shirt was very subtle.

[@adamyooz]

Lmao

[@szirsp]

4:50 It is annoying when people do that, and sometimes it is malicious, a tactic they employ, BUT sometimes it's just that people are not perfect and language is not perfect and people are not expressing themselves correctly (...it is still annoying). In the used example let's say there are multiple valid reason why someone does not like something, and rather than listing everything they don't like, they "start" with the thing they dislike the most (as Destiny stated they should always start with their best argument). You cannot say that the thing they brought up is irrelevant if they would be still against it if it was not there. (You could but that would be a fallacy.) What they should do IMO is state that "There are multiple things why I am against it, one of which is...(A)" Then you could decide to ask what are the other things, or talk about (A). Asking "If (A) wasn't there would you change your opinion?" is a way to ask if the other things are important enough before even asking what they are. Do you disagree? Do you have a better way to communicate? We get into gray area when they just state (A), they can intentionally pretend that is the only issue because they want to debate that, and it will feel like moving the goal post if they bring up the other things. But it could be that they are just not being precise with their words, and just trying to get an idea across any way they can. (They should do better, but it does not warrant yelling at them.) I think it is important to be aware of this, and it is good debate practice to ask these clarifying questions. I also think that Destiny might be too sensitive to this behavior because he debated too much and encountered too many people who took advantage using the ambiguity of language maliciously (not saying what they mean, dog whistling...). But asking "Why did you even bring it up?", acting like it must be completely irrelevant is also disingenuous, stupid and/or bad faith. So far I don't get the feeling they were doing anything wrong here. ... though I'm sure I'm going to disagree and they are going to disappoint at some point... ;) DM said "I have a problem with a state demanding that children have to go to a school, *especially* a school system that is deeply deeply flawed." DM didn't state that that's the only reason, but it sounds like that's the most important reason (if that is not the case then it is disingenuous), but also DM's problem in this statement is not that schools are flawed (C), DM's problem is the first part of the sentence, the demand (B), and (C) is only a reason for it (not necessarily a singular reason). Just because DM has other reasons, doesn't contradict DM's statement, doesn't make this reason invalid, irrelevant. Destiny's outrage seems unwarranted, though I thin I understand. Let's analyze further, see how else could DM put it, let's reverse the statement: 'I have a problem with the school system being deeply deeply flawed and a states demanding that children have to go there." Now here the demand (B) seems secondary, and the focus is on (A). But it would be still completely fine to have other reasons to have a problem with B. We have to remember that these are not written formal language statements. They are spoken words that deserve some leeway. 3:55 DM did NOT say "because of". Destiny would be correct if DM did, but DM did not, DM said *especially* indicating it deserves special mention, not that is the singular reason. Now Destiny is just engaging a straw man :( Right now I don't know what DM's other reasons might be, hopefully we will find out, but I probably will disagree. I think it's ok to mandate educating children in a perfect school system, but maybe there are exceptions, maybe DM has a good argument. I'm here with an open mind ready to change my opinion. (A perfect school system to me would also mean not a dictatorship where the government decides what to teach and indoctrinate children. To be clear that would be a reason not to mandate.) From here the debate can go at least two ways. Debate the school system, how to make it better (which could have real value), or debate the other reason that would only be relevant in a magical world where the school system is perfect... oof. I have a feeling I will not like where this debate goes. ... back to Destiny's criticism... There is a lot of misunderstanding going on in most of these debates, but I worry that (some of) it is intentional, because Destiny enjoys arguing, yelling at people and being pedantic when it suits him... Drama bring in audience, money ... less so than teaching, making the world better :( It is also possible that someone doesn't know why they don't like something. We could get into a whole thing about the illusion of free will and how the conscious mind just try to make up reasons a story after the fact "why you are going to do something you already did" (action preceding the thought) and a lot of post hoc rationalization... Most of us probably would benefit learning psychology or having a therapist to figure out why we feel things, because I think most people don't know, some more than others... But you probably should figure things out before you enter a formal debate about it... but I guess some people are lazy. So I think it is different outside of debate, when you are just talking with someone, what they like. They could say that "I don't want to watch it, because I don't like it." Which would be the most correct statement, but it's also somewhat meaningless. (Well you got the fact that they don't like it, they could have also said they don't watch it because they don't have the time... but the fact that they didn't say that does not mean that they would have the time. But I don't think you should get mad if you suggest another series and they then say they would like to watch, but they don't have the time. "Dude, why didn't you say that?! Why am I suggesting you stuff if you don't have the time!?" While they might just be enjoying talking about what they do or do not like and think you are trying to get to know them. The first reason they come up with is a data point about them, you might be able to get what they value the most, what their priority order is... or maybe they have a true randomizer in them and just get random reasons from them and not care about it. But I think it's rare when people are truly random.) Thank's for coming to my TED talk :)

[@szirsp]

I agree with DM (and Neil deGrasse Tyson) that children should want to go to school, we should change schools that they would want to go and learn things. I also agree with Destiny that we learn... I mean we are thought a lot of things that we are not interested in at that time. I don't think children should be sent to work, but they should be taught more practical things, or at least explain why we are teaching them these stuff, how are they useful... but then teacher might recognize that some of the things they teach is not actually useful... like names and dates... are nice to know in a quiz show, but have no practical application IRL. We might as well memorize the phone book instead. Would have similar benefit. Knowing why events happened, the politics, psychology behind it would be useful for people to recognize when the government trying to scare them into doing something ... How nice would it be if we could talk about all the ways we should reform education... and not debate whether we should force children to go to school where they can get shot...

[@GodToaster]

Your editor carries this content on their back

[@withinthrall1445]

Glad she addressed this in a calm and rational way to make her points look better.

[@salokin3087]

"I just want to have a good discourse" JUST MISS ONCE KING!

[@monkusaugustus4017]

Watching Destiny made me rethink a lot of stuff about leftists, at first i thought that being a "leftist" just meant supporting welfare, workers rights, environmentalism, pro LGBT, anti racism but these people are fucking insane, they will argue for free college on one side and for children not needing an education on the other

[@MugiwaraReilly]

Yeah it’s like that both ways, I thought a similar way for conservatives until I saw the mfs he debates 😂

[@Carns.]

August, I just want you to know you are simply the most BASED editor I have every had the pleasure of watching the products of.

[@hihie2195]

Can someone explain the TikTok video with the tourettes syndrome lady to me (not as in, what it is, but why the editor chose to frame it the way he did)? I am assuming that it's heavily implied that she is faking her mental condition? I don't feel like I am the only person confused here, because as someone who has never interacted with someone with tourettes, I legitimately can't tell or am comfortable enough to say whether she is faking it or not. What's even more confusing is that the article on the right doesn't even go into tourettes, specifically. My expectation was that the material on the right (article) was presented to explain the material on the left (TikTok video), but the article is not explicit enough to bind to what's on the left.

[@the-renegade]

1:45 _"August, cut here!"_ 5:42 _"August, cut!"_ 22:24 _"August!"_

[@legitpotshot]

This is the most entertaining debate I have ever heard and I listen to this while playing rs at least once a month. The entire thing is just so loony it's hard to believe this is a real person being serious but the fact that it is makes it hilarious.

[@eelsify]

Lol I'm trying to imagine what life would be like for my kid if he got to make all his own decisions. Every day would be "run on the road" day