Vaush And DemonMama Debate Gets HEATED And PERSONAL

Destiny reacts to Vaush's debate with Demonmama over her supply chain take that turns heated and personal with accusations of bad faith flying from both sides...
Date: 14 Mar, 2022
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00:00:00 Teasers / Intro
00:01:13 Vaush confronts Demonmama about supply chain tweet
00:05:10 Economies of scale
00:15:27 "We're with friends!"
00:23:09 Difficulty getting painkillers...
00:32:21 "You're just being a fking c***!"
00:35:40 Vaush is treating DM w/ kid gloves...
00:39:56 "Are you trying to gaslight me?"
00:42:51 Chem books to make medicine a la breaking bad
00:50:42 Do people produce their own bullets...?
00:54:48 worker councils will take it to the worker council of the chemists
01:10:16 DM repeats the question to search for answers
01:25:58 "You're lying to me!"
#Destiny
#Vaush

[@destiny]

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[@thethinkingcatakaneonormie3527]

You know what this reminds me of when Tonkasaw turned on Sargon of Akkad and all the dominos started falling over which first ended the Skeptics then Internet Bloodsports, these idiots who's egos get so inflated they all pop and guaranteed DemonMama will now be trying to split the bread tuber platform and you'll end up with a split kinda like KZbin Atheism did when the woke side wanted to include more and more things and a split down the middle.

[@fupoflapo2386]

@@thethinkingcatakaneonormie3527 destiny is a good bread tuber, at least compared to the trash we have right now.

[@romankirdyashow6771]

quit LoL

[@rabidnative0000]

I need more 2+ hour content.

[@boyce5994]

@destiny dude @34:20 yes and hes referring to self regulation. It happens. I've been involved in recreational shops BEFORE regulation we had labs we could hire out to test for any pesticides as well as all your CBD and THC levels (although we never trusted that part of the write up, too many 19%s). HOWEVER that never applied to the pharmaceutical industry as this person is implying. 🤷‍♂️ there was zero self regulation because the people producing the product WERE NOT using their own product personally. Like people do with cannabis. Also has alot to do with the demographic, medical is about money. Theres more to cannabis than money. It's a community.

[@garywebb2432]

Vaush and Destiny continues the "binge watching each other but never admitting it" arc lmaoo

[@xenos_n.]

They're in love and pretend they hate each other, but they're like Batman and The Joker.

[@garywebb2432]

@@xenos_n. like spider-man and green goblin

[@lanfrancoadreani9212]

They hate Watch each other. In defence of Destiny hate Watch Vaush Is very Easy, most people Who follow him probably do that out of dislike.

[@garywebb2432]

@@lanfrancoadreani9212 I doubt that both of their communities have serious overlap

[@moonlightrouge3956]

I don't think destiny has ever denied it

[@rossmanngroup]

Content for a long drive, let's go

[@soulares1]

You are a real one Louis! Ty for coming to YT chat from time to time

[@tomwright9904]

Careful might give you road rage, they are so irritating!

[@Mrgui110tine]

Destiny is best consumed over the road 😎

[@JRLinez]

Pog

[@Richard-Freeman]

Holy crap. Hey Louis. Welcome to the S🤬t Show.

[@bryan.conrad]

God grant me the confidence of a Twitter leftist talking about global pharmaceutical supply chains

[@zompocalpha1]

And the bravery to play the victim anytime someone with the slightest of critical thinking says hello to me.

[@xbabu142x]

It's greater than the entire C-level executive suite at a pharma company even.

[@jcb0112]

Twitter leftist should be a more used term

[@aelfgernon7729]

Vaush after this conversation: "Upon further inspection her take was precisely as ill-conceived and vapid as it appeared on twitter. And she was disappointingly fractious and ostentatious about it."

[@samtilden4452]

I can fucking hear it

[@narutolikestoes9028]

5Head

[@somethingcliched4921]

💀

[@hunteravallone]

I honestly thought demonmama was being sarcastic with her original tweet...I'm actually floored with how bad her takes are 😐

[@janissparinskis]

Could've just ended it with "oh I just interpreted the tweet differently and agree with the necessity of supply chains" but she had to reinvent the whole concept of bureaucracy.

[@hunteravallone]

@@karmic5783 I'll pay you $3K if you join my stream tomorrow and can prove I'm a grifter.

[@Maelthorn1337]

@@hunteravallone ... Could you just pay me 3k? I'm quite poor.

[@VeganKebabDoRuky]

@@hunteravallone Sir Mr Avallone I'll take your $10 if you'll let me prove you're not a grifter.

[@tylercsm4690]

Whats this meme about asking Hunter for money. Im broke bruh, can i get a handout mr avaloni ravioli

[@frankstnable]

"I couldn't have murdered him, I have an alibi" "So what's your alibi then?" "Oh, there are at least a hundred different ones, I wouldn't even know where start with all those alibis I have" "Just tell me one, that's usually sufficient" "Gotta say, I find you very exhausting, your honor"

[@yungdash4852]

love that being called Hasan is an egregious insult now

[@johnstarnes3731]

They took away the r word so we had to use the next closest thing.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

"now"??

[@MetalxLicaxPP]

What does "Hasan" mean?

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

@@MetalxLicaxPP It's like calling somebody "a petulant spoiled child"

[@robhernandez5520]

@@MetalxLicaxPP Means you get quadruple the number of viewers that destiny gets I think. Being a Hasan doesn't sound that bad

[@purplefyrus5370]

V: “you never gave me an answer” DM: “yes i did” V: “then what was the answer?” DM: “there are a number of answers I could give” V: *shoot me now pls*

[@Choryrth]

i think the funniest part is, she's using his way of "debating", against him.

[@dr.scientist3355]

Demonmama’s whole shtick is incredibly formulaic. Dumb take-> double down->false equivalency ->triple down->pivot-> play victim->gaslight->rage quit All while stalling for time with boast of how many examples she could list for her counter argument.

[@DilapidatedCat]

'i completely destroyed you on that debate by the way'

[@GKJusticar55]

Bro this was a struggle to sit through. It was like watching a down syndrome kid trying to hammer a square peg through a triangular hole for one hour and a half.

[@matt_9112]

Pretty sure one could largely navigate a conversation with her with a prerecorded soundboard. E.g. press "name one" every time she says "theres a lot of ways to do this" or "I have so many examples". Althoug it might end up with you going insane while spamming "why", "how" and "where".

[@dr.scientist3355]

@@DilapidatedCat ‘AND you’re also mad about it!’

[@DannyT-ln5ex]

Nailed the formula, and we need to get in the habit of live clipping DM so that when she tries to weasel out of dogshit takes in later conversations there are receipts ready. The most frustrating thing about her to me is how easily she gets away with having no real standards for her positions, the only moral framework she operates under is "what benefits me the most right now".

[@monkeybudge]

DM always says “let me finish…” after being called out on something. It’s her way of not admitting fault. She hears the objection, pretends she wasn’t finished and then adds a caveat to her previous statement to take into account the objection.

[@stanbarron4330]

Good catch. She does this quite a bit

[@uku5840]

Exactly, right where she realizes she can't defend something she always turns it into "Why are you being so unchariteable!?" Or "That's because you interrupted me while I was making my point!?" Just make it into a meta convo about the convo instead of engaging with anything. If left to talk, she'll eventually continue talking until off topic and if you refocus on what you wanted to object to 10s into the rant. Then it's "That's not what I was talking about, didn't you listen to what I was saying!?" It's a perfect system for never having to admit fault, or face criticism. Either ramble for 10 minutes, about all kinds of random shit, complain about being misinterpreted because you just explained it perfectly. Just make it absolutely impossible to give any focused criticism in the convo without forcefully guiding the convo. And if they do forcefully guide the convo, complain about not being allowed to make your points and how rude they are for interrupting. I predict no convo with DM that's giving her critique about anything on any topic will break these boundaries. It's the Demon fortress, impregnable to any form of constructive criticism!

[@Crispman_777]

@@uku5840 Do you think she has friends? Because that'd be incredibly difficult to be around y'know?

[@ataridc]

"Hold on, there are tons of ways im not at fault. But if that's your take away, I guess you're just being uncharitable."

[@chronographer]

The conversation goes like this: question? DM: starts rambling about how there are many answers DM: inturrupted themself to talk a vaguely related topic DM: inturrupted self again to comment on how bad faith the questioner is DM: inturrupted self again to play a victim card. Questioner: So if I could ask again - DM: WOULD YOU LET ME FINISH!!

[@sarinat3101]

Calling it now: responding to a killshot question that has no answer with "there's a MILLION answers to that" is now called 'pulling a Demonmama'.

[@templecreations2351]

well observed, she uses that one a lot to avoid looking dumb

[@ant7891]

And sometimes she'll think of five answers to the question that don't actually work and when you try to demonstrate that her answers are bad she'll torture you with 5 minute answers to simple questions, call you bad faith and complain about how she doesn't want to get into hyper specific details about the answer she proposed.

[@joninosaka]

First repeating the question word for word AND THEN saying "theres a milion answers to that"

[@outtarespecttomyfawtha1589]

eh Dave Rubin kinda has the copyright on the with "bla bla bla" when he was arguing essentially the same thing against the post office.

[@bigpapaj1087]

If there’s one way that DemonMama is talented, it’s that every debate she has sounds exactly the same regardless of subject or person debating.

[@bigben3089]

She’s very good at gaslighting the other person into thinking that maybe they are actually constantly interrupting her while she talks for 90% of the conversation. It’s a pretty impressive skill actually.

[@3r7s]

@@bigben3089 😅😅👍

[@dudeman5303]

Yeah, she goes in and seemingly chooses the worst line of argument every time and instead of engaging in the debate itself, she starts lobbing crazy accusations and gaslighting, and tries to commit to character assassination of the opponent. She is the embodiment of the conservative stereotypes of the left, and I think she embodies those stereotypes on purpose.

[@kingrainbow5432]

Like a man?

[@dhayes5151]

@@kingrainbow5432 That's definitely a man's voice.

[@januszkurahenowski2860]

Rural doctors making bathtub estrogen and other prescription medicines is a ridiculous statement even for the DM standards lmao

[@bliss7470]

Is that real, Doctors creating drugs in bathtubs? That sounds really dangerous.

[@ashleigh9659]

It might be nearly impossible to get rural people near a dr but the way she said it made it sound like were 3rd world counties if were outside a city 😂

[@TheDolphinTuna]

I burst into laughter when I heard that. Internet politics people really know absolutely nothing

[@januszkurahenowski2860]

@@bliss7470 Of course it's not lol. She just thinks that rural areas are like a completely different world, like something out of madmax lol

[@zenleeparadise]

@@januszkurahenowski2860 lmao I lived at a place rurally that felt like this tbh

[@axson8]

"The Free Market will 100% regulate basement insulin labs" -Demon "Pablo Escobar" Mama

[@TheDolphinTuna]

You don't understand, it's not the "free market". The free market is bad. Instead, we're going to rely on our fellow anarcho-communo-bathtub chemists to just not make bad medicine. They'll pinky promise!

[@spaceman2641]

@@TheDolphinTuna Yeah and If there's any consumers that have bad side effects like dying. It's ok because they were secretly a undercover CIA operative.

[@TheDolphinTuna]

@@spaceman2641 🤣

[@user-mr1ev9ty8t]

She’s gone so far left that she’s somehow respawned on the opposite side of the political spectrum.

[@ExeErdna]

Validates the horseshoe theory, they keep going left long enough they gonna end up right. Since both mindsets are connected

[@onionfarmer3044]

I think he fell off it. The kind of politics and beliefs hard-core manic survivalist, suicidal Street preachers, and schizophrenic tv characters have. It doesn't even help anyone just an idea to save the idea of humans made up in the scenario. Like truly belief Plato's man is real and has desires.

[@herec0mestheCh33f]

@@onionfarmer3044 she* Cmon now. No need to be transphobic on account of DM being dumb

[@loibina7685]

"I literally give you specific answers" is probably the least truthful thing demonmama has ever said

[@oloneyzzz5812]

"the answer is there are many answers" -demonmama probably

[@blizzfreak245]

I literally gave you an answer. I said there are many ways to do this

[@adamcramm]

She literally says that after every time someone calls her out for not answering a question. Which is every time she talks to anyone.

[@jloiben12]

It is absolutely amazing that DM would act like this with Vaush. It really shows how unbearably insufferable and abusive DM is

[@NeverBeenOnMaury]

For real. And refuses to ever be wrong.

[@50ULL355]

Unfortunately I doubt well ever see the day when DM has an epiphany and goes"wait, am I the bad guy"

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

We call that a mirror match.

[@russaz09]

@@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher red mario vs green mario, final destination, no items

[@lustrazor44]

Amazing? It’s pretty standard behaviour of them.

[@snoopsauce6294]

Truly is a mini Destiny. Confronting his Demons

[@MoreMonarchy]

I see what you did there

[@theprofesionalist7927]

Bruh he probably hates to admit it, but Vaush is just unintentionally turning into Destiny. I mean look at that hairstyle, also seems to be going down this arc where he grows more based day by day.

[@HasanSIM14]

@@theprofesionalist7927 he used to basically be just like destiny as well so he's now going back to that lol

[@theprofesionalist7927]

@@HasanSIM14 It's okay if he returns to the fold and repents for his betrayal then we welcome him back with open arms. Besides Destiny needs to keep at least one of his horrcruxes by his side, so that when Lauren Southern inevitably comes to destroy it he's ready to defend it.

[@Draven1895]

@@joshuadehler5039 Highlander rules for Horrcruxes?

[@Jabrils]

Demonmama about to be the uniting link to restore Vaush & Destiny's friendship. 👀

[@absenteechild8542]

Hopefully I'm wrong, but honestly I don't think Vaush or his fanbase will stop simping for DM. I'm much more active in Vaush's community than I am here and holy shit it's literally just an "uncritical support for the fellow Destiny antagonist" type beat.

[@markrio95]

Stop with the cringe shipping bro. Vaush almost as bad faith as DM and pussies out of debating when he gets called out on it.

[@njm2699]

@@markrio95 they aren’t the same tho

[@chanr9531]

Inject that copium into my veins

[@matthewlee4834]

Not a chance

[@Kardel_VA]

DM saying "Ok Vawsh, good night" 20 times every time she's confronted ever so slightly is hilarious If you're gonna threaten to leave and actually wanna leave, then LEAVE!

[@hazzardalsohazzard2624]

She's really out here using her own hyper specific definitions which nobody else uses to say she's not wrong

[@MuscleboundKage]

so in other words, she's wrong.

[@realbear9635]

@@MuscleboundKage yea

[@theanimehub2180]

Isn't that what trans people do as well?

[@akhnatenpage4854]

@@theanimehub2180 in what way? Apologies if I respond in 8 hours, haven’t slept yet.

[@tb8654]

@@akhnatenpage4854 that person is probably referring to statements like woman ≠ adult female etc

[@VeganKebabDoRuky]

"Vaash this is insane" No DM, Vaush was perfectly sane in this convo, you're insane, DM. Unironically.

[@Eval999]

She legit just says shit without thinking about it like any internet memer. The only difference is that she undyingly defends every take no matter how bad it was, and streams it.

[@OJuggernautO]

This video pretty much speaks for itself. I always love it when Vaush is on the receiving end of her bad faith and terrible “arguments”, not to mention the unrelenting condescending tone. Because it means she doesn’t just reserve that stuff for people she dislikes, it’s just her, it’s her default.

[@mysticflow467]

or she dislikes him (in this moment) because he disagrees

[@OJuggernautO]

@@mysticflow467 Maybe, but Vaush is the reason she’s even a little bit relevant. Which I guess that doesn’t matter, considering the only reason Vaush is relevant is because of Destiny. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@WitherBro20]

videos with audio literally speak for themselves. jkjk

[@jumpergamer1913]

@@OJuggernautO the cicle never ends, and my brain cells have limited stock

[@Chapterhouse86]

It's nice to see Vaush get some of his own medicine. He is so dishonest in basically every debate I have ever watched of him. Not as bad as DM, but still a total douche.

[@62shayne]

I don’t know why people take DM seriously. I’ve never come across someone who never sounds smart, never knows what their talking about and is always super bad faith.

[@cannongerber3257]

The problem is that there’s a small audience of people online who are just as deranged as DM and she gives them a home to share their ridiculous ideas.

[@RaaM1871]

She has horrible takes but can be an entertaining drama commentator imo

[@bullymaguire7554]

Outside of political debates, she's quite entertaining. She does a lot of things in addition to her debates, a lot of which involves informing people. There's an entire well-researched video on her channel dedicated to early history of LGBT liberation. A lot of her fans are likely there for that kind of content less so than her debates.

[@ab-hx8qe]

@@bullymaguire7554 after listening to her debate I highly doubt they are well researched.

[@bullymaguire7554]

@@ab-hx8qe Her information isn't what's flawed. Its almost entirely down to her delivery and bad-faith behavior in a debate setting. She seems to want to be an edgy debate bro streamer like Vaush, but her attempts at doing so just come across as mean-spirited most of the time. Truly, she does make valid contributions to leftism and leftist thought. Its just drowned out by ego and poor communication more often than not.

[@Trappu-]

Normal human: "I'm confused, could you rephrase that question?" DM: "Wait wait wait wait sorry I'm I'm I'm I'm UNIRONICALLY confused, I'm GENUINELY, UNIRONICALLY, confused as to what you're asking. I'm really not trying to be performative if that's what you think but i really don't get the question."

[@TheDolphinTuna]

Reminds me of people after a stroke or long-term drug abuse.

[@bigpapaj1087]

It’s a self-report. She’s bad faith so often that in the few instances when she genuinely asks a question, she has to drive the point home.

[@Wavy-]

@@TheDolphinTuna why not both?

[@johns1625]

"unironically confused" is a symptom of online terminality and such a dumb thing to say 😂😂

[@riseup3754]

I love how DM used their trump card “your really upset. So we should talk about this sometime later.”and Vaush completely shuts her down “your projecting”😂

[@aidanhennessey5586]

Double *you’re

[@goblin380]

As a programmer of 10+ years.... i lost it when she said that open source projects are well documented

[@benjaminagostini8]

Perfect example of the fact that she has no fucking idea what she's talking about lol there are plenty of fairly well known open source projects that have absolutely dogshit documentation.

[@swordyshield]

@@benjaminagostini8 not just plenty but the majority. Very rare for an open source project to have good/excellent documentation

[@FirstLast-kv1iq]

@@swordyshield Majority? In terms of numbers yes but that like the most basic take. Clearly there are going to be many many many projects created. Even if most people documented well, by shear volume there will always be one off open source projects documented. In terms of projects people use? Open source documentation is fantastic. The fuck you on about?

[@chrisrock219]

@@FirstLast-kv1iq for sure especially if you do a lot of systems programming you can bury yourself in Unix manuals but common it's a knife-fight out there documenting or working through the docs for these sufficiently large fast-moving projects in the open-source community.. not enough heroes willing to clone the docs and make edits when they see something they don't like.

[@FirstLast-kv1iq]

@@chrisrock219 Thats entirely fair. There are definitely a few big examples of bad documentation. For instance working with apache zookeeper is apparently a nightmare. It has awful documentation. But for ever 1 or 2 projects with awful documentation, I can think of 1 or 2 big projects with amazing documentation. Projects like Redis or Programming languages like Rust have hands down some of they best documentation I have ever seen. I feel like documentation is a mixed bag when it comes to big software projects. Open source seems to be mostly made of small niche projects with little to no documentation. While popular projects seem to be mostly split with good or bad. My issues lies with this notion that open sources = Bad documentation. It far more grey then open source docs bad or open source docs good. Some of the best documentation comes from these cutting edge open source projects. It feels weird to shit on the countless man hours some people have put into these amazing products.

[@fantasyskeep]

Wait everyone, it's time to rejoice. The one and only demon momma has figured out how to solve the supply change shortage. 'If we all just work together and find the supplies, we can supply the supply chain.' 😏

[@JuliAuditore]

That's a big brain take, too complicated for us simple mortals

[@nocuh]

Never underestimate the coercive power of yummy food

[@lustrazor44]

I’ve got a bathtub

[@ataraxia7439]

What’s your icon pic?

[@cambienvenu]

The great thing about Demon Mama is that she at least reveals herself to be bad faith super quickly in a conversation, usually within 5-10 minutes in every video I’ve seen of them.

[@knes167]

Someone assuming the WORST possible interpretation of what I said after a benign statement is a top 3 pet peeve for me Going bad faith makes it easy to disagree and control the optics of how your statement looks

[@pbmdh]

It's like each video follows a standard script. Start by talking about the stupid thing DM said, DM rambles and starts complaining about interruption, then turns on the indignant attitude and starts being bad faith

[@0therwisesleep522]

you'll notice that she herself throws around the terms 'bad faith' and 'uncharitable' more than literally anyone else in the debate sphere

[@ataridc]

Ima be real i dont even care if she's bad faith i can listen to someone be bad faith and not get triggered but her constant need to be 100% in control of the convo while saying nothing is impossible to listen to without destiny making fun of it. How this person has any fans is beyond me.

[@cambienvenu]

@@deepergodeeper7618 We can criticize a person for being scummy without getting transphobic, my dude.

[@paperpersona1243]

The fact DM has a following at all and she isn't universally mocked makes me lose so much faith in humanity.

[@Libblelabble]

I like how Vaush goes through the cycles of streamers Destiny figured out were bad faith long ago.

[@TheCapn23]

"Just find other people passionate about chemistry to learn how to make cheaper equipment and drugs" Leftists reinvent the corporation lmao

[@asimplewizard]

No no no no not a corporation!! They're evil. I just mean I big gathering of doctors all in a group, testing and selling medicine. 😂

[@sargeteg5927]

And it's funny how she argues the same BS that Dave Rubin did when he humiliated himself by arguing against federal regulations on Joe Rogan. Passionate, self-educated pharma dudes producing medicine in their backyard will just work out fine because of other passionate dudes checking out their stuff.

[@ChazMcGutter]

Anarchists having a revolution and wondering why no one is passionate about going into sewers clearing massive blockages of shit or standing for hours in an assembly line making sterile medical equipment

[@FazeParticles]

Isn’t that the point of Leninist Communism.

[@asimplewizard]

@@FazeParticles yes but they're not supposed to recreate the same thing with the same problems lol

[@mizel101]

I wish people could just say "I was wrong".

[@xenos_n.]

I know right. Literally Destiny, Vaush, and Demon Mama have too big egos to say this. It's sad. Now, maybe some are much less wrong than others, but everyone is wrong sometimes and I respect anyone way more who just says "you know what, I don't know" instead of always trying to either look right or deflect if they're not sure if they're right.

[@morgangreen2601]

@@xenos_n. The people who are humble enough to admit they are wrong in the moment dont stay popular for long. It is optical suicide. You either destroy the opposition or get destroyed.

[@xenos_n.]

@@morgangreen2601 it's kinda lame, it doesn't help curb the spread of misinformation.

[@zenleeparadise]

It’s exhausting listening to people who can’t say “I was wrong” - and I mean saying it casually. It doesn’t count if they make a big show of it and drag it out into drama content. Just, like, mid-conversation realizing that you were wrong and talking through the process of realizing you are wrong.

[@MO-zk8qs]

Agreed but at the same time it's not all their fault. In a space where everyone is ready to watch you fail and laugh at you for it, it can be hard for them to admit being wrong because they know in their bones that the person and their audience will take that as a victory over their head and rub their nose in it. Its different for everyone, but it takes a lot more than you think to swallow your pride, especially since the same people who want all this honesty don't reward it as well as "standing your ground" even if it's shaky. I blame the internet argument culture that sort of breeds this idea that you have to fight tooth and nail for a position you held because if you go back on it, it's "backpeddling, weasely" etc

[@blablabla7796]

Oh I think I understand Demonmama’s point now. Vaush’s problem is that he isn’t thinking of _the_ hypothetical world in which Demonmama’s parameters lead to a good outcome. Silly Vaush and his pragmatic stance on what will actually happen in the real world. Stop getting weighed down by reality Vaush. It’s basically this: Demonmama: my dad can definitely beat up an entire squad of navy seals Vaush: isn’t your dad like 5’2” 100lbs? The average navy seal is a very capable unarmed and armed fighter let alone fight a squad of them Demonmama: wait, unarmed and armed fighting aren’t the only ways my dad can beat them up Vaush: what way is there? Demonmama: are you serious? There’s tons of ways (unstated hypothetical scenario where it’s possible)

[@davidc7450]

I'm to Destiny's left, probably somewhere in the same realm as Vaush, but I still legitimately can't think of anything DemonMama has ever said that was worth listening to. The three big things I know her for are now this, the anti-compulsory schooling nonsense with Hanz, and being super pro self-diagnosing. I just legitimately do not see the appeal.

[@mitchio83]

I’ve never heard him make a good point.

[@davidc7450]

@@mitchio83 I mean her* but sure yeah.

[@aflockofconnivingmagpies3490]

Sorry what's this about being "super pro self-diagnosing"??? Like idk I feel like that explains a lot about DM lol.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

You needs freaks to have a freakshow.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

@@aflockofconnivingmagpies3490 It was a big drama thing from a couple months ago (last year maybe). Pretty funny - if this is the kind of conversation you find funny.

[@bread4393]

You can't convince me that someone, who can turn a PC on and stream, wouldn't understand how absolutely batshit fucking insane it is to think you could fully manufacture all medicine locally and be better off. Unless she'd be cool with a medicine from a thousand years ago.

[@misarthim6538]

She probably thinks just because she bought her PC in local shop, it's locally sourced.

[@bullymaguire7554]

Well, the current location for medicinal manufacturing is completely arbitrary. There is absolutely nothing, technologically, preventing us from building smaller versions of current operations on a local scale. You can't convince me that someone, who can turn a PC on and comment, wouldn't understand how simple of a concept that is. It takes 2 seconds and half an imagination to conceive of a world in which the same thing we currently do is done slightly differently. More, smaller factories is not nearly the stretch you're pretending it to be. Especially with the inevitability that is automation.

[@axoltl1]

@@bullymaguire7554 What are economies of scale? Edit: In fact Destiny literally brings that up in the video.

[@bullymaguire7554]

@@axoltl1 What's a tif? Edit: In fact, what is sewer socialism? Lmfao

[@YetAnotherHeretic]

@@bullymaguire7554 It is uneconomical. It requires more material, energy and more people per unit of production. If you care about such things, it is worse for the environment too. This is the opposite of a solution.

[@augustb.w.4778]

demon Mama's definition of bureaucracy is one the clearest example I have ever seen that just because someone has a vocabulary of big words it does not mean they understand them. What sentient human being would use the political definition of bureaucracy instead of the one that means a complicated administrative procedure.

[@sathrielsatanson666]

Because, you know, terms can have different definitions and meanings?

[@Immor7alBG]

Same type of person who thinks rural doctors are concocting makeshift hormone drugs en masse. Demon mama be like: "'Reality is whatever I interpret it to be''.

[@augustb.w.4778]

@@sathrielsatanson666 yes but if we are talking about a supply chain which definition is the correct one: a system of government in which most of the important decisions are taken by state officials rather than by elected representatives. Or A complicated administrative procedure

[@TheRedHaze3]

She knew how the term was being used, she just needed to obfuscate to continue the narrative that she isn't actually against supply chains. Why else would she reference 'big pharma' if she thought the person was using 'bureaucracy' in the political, governmental way?

[@sathrielsatanson666]

@@Immor7alBG fair enough, I have barely paid attention when watching the stream yesterday.

[@johnz1029]

I genuinely enjoy Chud’s takes on things, however I’m genuinely confused how he can endorse Demon Mama, she’s non defendable.

[@griggerykimothy4865]

Same

[@vanakneon621]

lefty brain rot

[@Jalmerk]

It boggles the fucking mind how anyone could endorse DM on any level. She is insufferable.

[@blane2472]

Every time DM tries to tell us about how she sees the world working under her worldview, she betrays how little she knows about how the world actually functions or how people actually work.

[@wellbutrinwarlock]

If Vaush goes through a punished arc where his friends turn against him for clout, I’m keeping my fingers crossed for a Vaushtiny reunion

[@emzkoe3904]

People keep talking about a reunion....I really hope not. It's so crazy to me that they have such a fan overlap. I just can't stand vaush.

[@supereero9]

@@emzkoe3904 He should change his name to "Fatstiny" because he's just a fat Destiny, they always have the same takes too, they should become one, reverse mitosis, U know?

[@sirgentlemanshiggy]

After how horribly dishonest Vaush has been towards Dest? Unless he's going to suddenly become self-aware of that, fuck them being friends; I want more spite-driven Vaush.

[@quickmax4648]

@@emzkoe3904 yeah Vaush is a slime bag

[@bennyboi5179]

vaush redemption arc

[@benkylo8015]

Demonmama has gone soooo far left she's ended up taking the right/libertarian position, lmao.

[@njm2699]

Oh no Horseshoe theory

[@Bminutes]

🐴 👞

[@user-ze3sg6ix1u]

They all sound like this. They're advocating for more supply and less govt, that's exactly what capitalism is. At one point Vaush said "anarcho supply chainism" I think? wtf? these people need to go outside

[@meltedWax169]

Really wrapped around the globe

[@jluzin]

Demonmama fucking cracks me up. She constantly falls into the same amateur engineering pit of solving for one problem and creating 3 more alongside it. All she needs is just a LITTLE self awareness and she'd understand that but no.

[@Hi_Im_Pangas]

the problem with Communism is the same every single time. they want to replace the system but have no details on what to replace it with. then, when the thought processes are followed it turns into a logistical nightmare, requiring an enormous amount of human sacrifice to create and repercussions which are far worse than just allowing the systems to continue as is, with "upsides" that are barely beneficial if at all

[@djctai9288]

i work in pharma and its kind of insane how DM is so confident in her misinformation...she literally has negative knowledge in this case..she's wrong on almost everything.

[@LeoCharles]

Its the brain of an average person without a college degree or even high school, plus no specialty on anything, just babbles stuff she once heard or read somewhere, BUT her platform/audience was given to her by Vaush. I seriously cannot imagine someone sitting and listening to DM and taking her seriously... its beyond my comprehension.

[@Alex-xp9vv]

@@LeoCharles i was just thinking about that. does anyone know if she went to college? she does sorta come off as someone who feels entitled to being right just because she went to school.

[@segfal]

Theres a reason why Pharmacists get paid so much. They gotta be licensed and over 4 years of schooling, learning meds is not a walk in the park, and we're only touching the surface with general medication and health.

[@donttrickimtricky.8567]

@@Alex-xp9vv worse thinks they are right and never graduated high-school.

[@GAMA830]

these people talk about sht they have no idea about all the time and just constantly spread misinfo. its why i appreciate mrgirl cause if hes talking about some sht he has no idea about he will do some reading and get an expert on the topic. but all these lazy fks just want to low effort farm their viewers for cash

[@radred609]

one minute she's telling people to "go find a friend with a chemistry degree" and the next she's talking about creating dozens of intersecting organisations that can independantly test homemade drugs... like... okaaay buddy

[@christinadaya9850]

The Balto movie confused her. It said “based on a true story” so she assumed it was a story about rural America this past winter, and Balto was carrying HRT 😂

[@bobjenkins4925]

VGG are having their own little anti-Demonmama arc like 18 months after DGG

[@4scot623]

Ctrl + V. gg

[@carolinaandy5059]

So it seems like vaush is only about a year off from being a liberal

[@MuscleboundKage]

@@4scot623 for real they are like the anime adaptation while DGG is the manga.

[@theobell2002]

There were always based Demonmama haters in Vaush's community. Even when I watched him, I hated her. She's always been obnoxious, incredibly bad faith and full of terrible arguments.

[@afh7380]

@@carolinaandy5059 vaush is liberal

[@Imperial_Squid]

"just cook your own drugs" is LITERALLY some fucking Breaking Bad shit 😂😂😂

[@fireclaw2]

DemonMama: "I'm done, I'm leaving!" *Stays in voice chat*

[@dandansen4261]

Imagine how fucking out of touch you must be to think bathtub estrogen is a super common thing. Bless their hearts.

[@joeym8915]

Vgg never liked demon mama that much, they only defended her from the transphobia and maybe a hand full of topics. Vaush and dm always argued with each other, this is nothing new.

[@peepodhumperdink4456]

I think Demonman stammers "Hey hey, wait" more than actually making any salient points. Why do people watch that clown?

[@lukaswithakay]

“Demonman” I think that’s hilarious and I’m tired of pretending it’s not.

[@xDDufiosy]

Hey hey Wait wait Hey hey Wait wait

[@ashleigh9659]

I watched a few videos before my ears couldnt handle it anymore its pretty clear she just makes up things as she goes and then just does a haz until you're like yes you win

[@wujitsu77uusi]

Demonman is some of the funniest shit I heard today

[@TheseBitchesWantNikes]

Lmao DEMONMAN

[@pepegaplays4023]

Its kinda crazy just getting into destiny now and slowly catching up on all the lore

[@mryagami8448]

There's some classic debates

[@thecoolannishatk.]

I'm you, but 9 months late.

[@pepegaplays4023]

@@thecoolannishatk. lul welcome

[@scarletsletter4466]

I work in healthcare compliance & this convo is literally painful to anyone who knows anything about medicine & supply chains in general. DM keeps saying there's no federal regulation. There is. In fact we have a whole agency called the Food & Drug Administration

[@JS-lq3bh]

CONTENT??? CONTENT!!!

[@codywilgus5243]

As someone that works in a pharmacy she is so wrong it's actually crazy.

[@detrockcity3]

I think she's heard something about a few highly specific things in particular areas, and she's extrapolating insanely.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

I made Tylenol out of Aspirin in my chemistry class last semester

[@pognarchy]

As a diabetic, her talking about bathtub insulin being a viable option gets under my skin

[@johnnycang]

Vaush in realtime realizing why everyone hates Demonmama. An is now himself starting to hate her. Realizing what everyone in the past was complaining about and that they were right the whole time. Lmao.

[@tiena6630]

It's weirdly adorable how Vaush and Destiny compliment each other's weakness. They make each other better :)

[@bartholen]

It feels like V and D are past their shounen protagonist rivalry arc, and have now become the mentor characters that used to be enemies, but aren't friends either, but acknowledge and respect each others' strengths.

[@xenos_n.]

@@bartholen I hope they kiss some day

[@briantrowbridge8134]

Girl I feel the same. One thing that us fans tend to forget:the internet magnifies opinions of all kinds. Hearing destiny call vaushes takes autistic, is just hyperbole. Demon mama has no idea what is happening

[@bartholen]

@@xenos_n. I can totally see them being invited for one last panel 60 years from now, both looking like Noam Chomsky. They start out talking like wise old men, but soon the memories of youth take over and they have one last 3-hour shouting match, at the end of which they die on the spot from elevated blood pressure.

[@yulin84]

@@briantrowbridge8134 lol yeah he can hate vaush but it's different when he has to compare him with a headless chicken who can't follow a conversation

[@elliestcroix1445]

My favorite part was when she said "I am not whining" in the whiniest voice ever. lol

[@CoachDitka]

She presents that "some rural doctors do have to make medicine", which on its own is a fucking insane claim, we're talking about probably a double digit number of people doing this. But regardless, she presents their situation, which is as doctors in extremely desperate areas. So like. Why is she advocating for this? If one of the best things you can point to in support of your argument is people in absolute destitution on a level that isn't even possible in cities or even typical small towns, why would you ever advocate for this? I can't even begin to wrap my brain around it.

[@lilstevechan8427]

It's because it represents part of the anarchic utopia she dreams of but only if you ignore all the context and details. And when people point out those details she acts indignant and accuses them of being bad faith or gaslighting.

[@chocolatMouse]

@@lilstevechan8427 don't forget not letting her finish.

[@ExeErdna]

She's talking like the Moonshine, Herbal teas and the cod liver oils that were stuff my great-grandmother did way back. Is like people being like Walter White making meth. Like we KNEW she was full-blown crazy yet we had to be nice...

[@kittenritty7959]

The only place I’ve seen where what she was talking about in your point. Is Mexico… you can literally just buy painkillers and you never know the quality of the pharma drug your taking even with the same label and vendor or if it’s actually what it is.

[@MrRhurbarb]

I am not a fan of his but I have to admit that Vaush looks so much better with this hair.

[@vader3669]

Ian has loss a lot of weight as well. Good job king

[@QuixEnd]

Demon mama sounds like those two ai robots having a conversation. Within like 3 sentences it all becomes totally dysfunctional rambling

[@pinec0ne]

To D's point about collecting casings at the range: Yes, you can do that if the range allows you to (some say it is for "safety reasons" that they don't let you collect them, but in reality a lot of them resell the brass). Often times they are slightly deformed from shooting, but there are tools to straighten the shells if needed. Generally speaking, if your firearm is working properly and you are using the correct ammo, the casing should not be damaged. If the shell is so damaged from just firing the gun (of course, sometimes extra damage can come from the ejection and hitting a surface), then there is something really wrong with the ammo or your firearm.

[@Segphalt]

The ranges I have been to that make the safety case tend to limit only for casings that land beyond the firing line but will allow you to police any brass that lands behind the firing line. However alot of people who do reloads intentionally seek out a public range because then not only do you get to collect your own brass there is tons of brass already there too. (Though of wildly variable quality due to people walking over it etc.)

[@miko-hh8vw]

Thanks for the info. Is it possible to do it multiple times with the same casing? Does it eventually reach a point where a casing is unusable?

[@grenouillesscent]

@@miko-hh8vw yes yes yes

[@Segphalt]

@@miko-hh8vw Eventually you will be splitting cases but most calibers you can get an additional 3-4 reloads out of them.

[@ExeErdna]

Yet the people that WOULD be reloading ammo most likely have their own range, why go to the public place that can normally provide all of it. It's like going to McDonalds and taking the trashbag inside home...

[@jaredisley-oliver389]

I honestly don’t know much about This drama. I just wanted something to listen to as I did a bunch of Inventory paperwork and this has made my day…. She is the perfect personification of Horse shoe theory. She goes left wing anarchy and wraps around the back and enters into Ancap territory. Amaazin’

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

I wonder what her thoughts on Israel are...

[@ferriswhitehouse1476]

Banding together with my chemist friends, here in a rural area where I don't have access to medications. Nothing out here but farmers, and also highly skilled chemists. Luckily I have access to all the precursors though, which are totally way easier to access. Its a good thing the general store here keeps N-acetylanthranilic acid methaqualone anthranilic acid methaqualone and benzaldehyde amphetamine phenyl-2-propanone in stock.

[@Imperial_Squid]

25:00 I feel like she thinks you can literally take a fucking skillshare course and just start producing drugs. The sheer fucking amount of money and time and knowledge that goes into every pill is the very reason why this stuff is only done by insanely powerful corps, you can't scale down pharmacy in the same way that you can just make a smaller grocery store

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

Eh, you CAN TECHNICALLY make some drugs with no education. Meth heads seem to pull it off just fine

[@darkarchonisme]

@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor except for all the times they poison their customers, or literally explode their own homes

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

@@darkarchonisme "shake and bake meth" or "one bottle meth" ALMOST never explodes.....

[@chrispez9]

There are small grocery stores

[@Imperial_Squid]

@@chrispez9 yes...? That's exactly my point... There are small grocery stores and there aren't small drug supply lines, it's a comparison by contrast...

[@Dark_Tesla]

Destiny getting mad at the jg for using smite when he got initiated on and blown up by Ahri is League mentality at its finest

[@Drakshl]

As a chemistry masters student, DM's lack of understanding of quite how specialised some of chemistry is blows my mind. We have a lot of chemical companies here in the UK but that doesn't mean that we could just scale up production to make most of the chemicals we need industrially here is insane. Additionally, the infrastructure to make highly specialised instruments is really complicated and someone who can produce very high quality NMR machines isn't nessasarily going to be able to produce good x-ray crystallography machines without sacrificing efficiency. Ultimately it just isnt feasible to do everything within borders,particularly when you consider that all of this is bottlenecked by the requirement to have highly trained specialists leading the way on every new hyper specific project. And this is one industry. I think the ultimate problem is just a lack of understanding of how complicated chemistry is. It's not the sort of thing you can just do after a few years of reading around it or even a degree. The degree is the jumping off point, after which you probably want to either do PhD level study or jump into a very junior possition in an R and D lab. After some years you will be producing high quality work but your research will be EXTREMELY NARROW IN SCOPE. My master's project is applying a very particular statistical method to determine the surface area of cement. I didn't come up with the method, I'm just using it. This is the sort of thing someone can do after 3-4 years of study WITH lots of help and mentoring and oversight.

[@herec0mestheCh33f]

As someone who doesn't have a master's in chemistry, even i can appreciate the amount of specialized shit needed to make dangerous shit safely. We have to make lead styphnate at my workplace (and tetrozene). It takes a whole building full of specific, very pricey, specially made equipment. And probably other shit. I don't know all of it. I can't imagine being okay with people making either of those in your bathtub, unregulated, all willy-nilly

[@Drakshl]

@@herec0mestheCh33f Yep, many things people take for granted involve either the synthesis or use of some relatively dangerous chemicals somewhere in the chain. Often even the solvents you use are harmful, sometimes moreso than what you are actually interested in. There is a reason that health and safety is such a priority in labs and chemical factories. When people make mistakes there can be serious consequences ( you only have to look at the number of chemists who do lots of work with corrosive ch chemicals that are missing fingers). You don't want people doing this with little to no training and no regulatory oversight. Even having organised crime run it would be better than that, at least they check up on drug producers

[@PS-yz9nf]

Yeah, I’m a chemist but in a refrigerant lab, not pharmaceutical, but they way they talk about “making pure chemicals” makes me want to shoot myself. U need rly complicated instrumentation to determine purity, for my lab we use 3 diff varieties of gas chromatography and a mass spectrometer. The cheapest instrument (microGC) in our lab is worth $20-30k. Our mass spec is easily worth over 200k. I imagine that in a pharma lab, NMR, IR, mass spec, and absorption spec would all need to be used because drugs tend to be complicated organic molecules unlike the HFCs and CFCs that my lab analyzes. That type of equipment would prolly cost $150k+ easily not even mentioning upkeep costs. Why tf would somebody invest that type of money in a lab in a poor rural area and when they have no profit incentive. And that is only the cost to determine purity, not even the cost of reagents and lab equipment to synthesize the actual drugs. Very frustrating to see dumb dungeons and dragons nerds talk about things that are completely out of their depth.

[@samueljames0908]

Vaush asking the question "how do you guarantee drug quality in unregulated labs" and not receiving a single actual answer for more than an hour. How did he have the patience for this?

[@kittensb7967]

It honestly baffles me that anyone could listen to this woman and think she has anything interesting or entertaining to say.

[@bobwilliams4895]

Its baffling anyone calls him a woman.

[@system0fadowner251]

@@bobwilliams4895 don't need to be transphobic to call her a fucking idiot.

[@yr3igs]

@@bobwilliams4895 cease

[@kittensb7967]

Based x

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

You need freaks to have a freakshow.

[@warrencapaldi9544]

“Things aren’t hard to make when you have all the stuff” 😂

[@lanfrancoadreani9212]

Like in Minecraft Bro. If you find enough ores of iron you can easily make a functioning tank by yourself.

[@warrencapaldi9544]

@@lanfrancoadreani9212 you thinking too small bro get the iron ore build a gundam from following KZbin videos

[@lanfrancoadreani9212]

@@warrencapaldi9544 Sorry man, I got distracted, I was making my Covid vaccine in the teapot.

[@warrencapaldi9544]

@@lanfrancoadreani9212 ditch the teapot and get a bleach bottle this guy on Reddit told me it’s much better!

[@warrencapaldi9544]

@@peach_of_justus naturally forming resources so they are!

[@seanprobber7711]

So, a lot of people recase their bullets, but a ton of ranges won't let you shoot them on their property. I always assumed it's because they're unregulated and dangerous

[@illegalhedgehog]

the way she keeps trying to be able to use “ok have a nice day” as a zinger but doesn’t actually leave is so cringe i want to die

[@crisisOstrich]

Demonmama plays MMOs with markets but farms everything by herself to avoid paying other players even though it takes 10x longer

[@TurbhoeHDRemix]

Gonna be honest, the homebrew HRT from otokonoko and lenas was always sketchy okay? Coming from someone who has done HRT diy but only from recognized brands. And even then, she does know that otokonoko and lena both use powders that they buy from a supply chain. All they do is turn it from powder form to a liquid form that can be injected. They don't literally synthesize their own HRT.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

I sold somebody a bunch of anabolic steroids once. I'm an ally!

[@ataraxia7439]

Is there a good place to learn about diy hrt industry. I think it would be a really interesting case study

[@cerealfamine1]

This is as cringe as Dave Rubin talking about regulations on construction when he was on the JRE.

[@brendan904]

Having had no idea who the weirdo who doesn't understand supply chains, I genuinely thought Destiny was referring to Demonmamma as she as an insult given how angry he is and then I looked it up and realised this angry dude claims to be a woman. It's beyond parody.

[@Old_School_293]

Wow, I have a chemistry (biochemistry) degree. I would never attempt to make my own medicine. And, in DM’s world, we can wave goodbye to the next thing in medicine, Bespoke Pharmaceuticals.

[@bearj.4363]

Does demon mama want "locally sourced, organic handcrafted" insulin? 😂

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

You get insulin from the pancreas of a pig.

[@4Y0P]

I want grandmas home cooked insulin with a pinch of love 🥰 my grandma has no profit incentive when cooking up my meds in the crock pot which means she'll do a great job

[@yungdash4852]

Not a Voush fan but DM: Im tired of this Voush: Then go the sleep Was a great moment

[@tylercsm4690]

Ah yes another hour and a half of a conversation that could have taken place in 5 minutes.

[@4scot623]

The most important thing I learned from this video is that we mine rubber and trees

[@supereero9]

That's because destiny is a BETA MALE who plays videogames, he's in a FALLEN STATE

[@Voljinable]

We all live in a minecraft society

[@psionicdongpunch]

"I'm not gaslighting you, this is insane" lmao most self aware anarchoid

[@mastodonrock96]

Really feel bad for Vaush for the first time ever... He had to talk soo softly and carefully the whole time to rein her in from screeching non-stop.

[@rcbryant10]

I absolutely despise Vaush's politics. That being said, I must express admiration for the patience he displayed for DM for a pretty fair amount of this whole thing. DM's voice is constantly sounding like it's getting angrier while at the same time Vaush is seriously just maintaining a steady tone.

[@dialp4penguin]

“Are there or are there not federal regulations on the production of this medicine that you’re advocating for? “Sure, of course there are." literally 30 seconds later “Is there federal regulation on the medicine they’re producing?" “No, no, definitively not."

[@venohawk5789]

"I will watch this after the game so August doesn't get mad" ..... cuts to him watching the video while playing League

[@drdoomer8553]

43:08 “Jesse we need to cook!” 😂😂😂

[@jaydezifour988]

Demonmama's favorite thing is ramble on and on for so long saying so little so when you finally jump in she goes "OMG, you're interrupting me, I didn't get to finish what I was saying".

[@elise7322]

Yes, destiny is right about reloading although we called it handloading, but we do reuse the casing to repack it with gunpowder usually it’s to save money. It’s a lot cheaper.

[@Visitant69]

"It's a very uncharitable position I'm being held in" you mean being held accountable for the things you've said?

[@memesneverdie3826]

Demonmama says something objectively insane/asinine, expects you to be able to perfectly extract the real underlying meaning and interpret it in the exact same way without any sort of follow up or clarification, and then claim abuse if you cant

[@asadbitch1715]

Destiny saying "ooooooo" is the best commentary. makes me laugh every time.

[@BEANSONTOAST77]

There are engineering institutions that provide GUIDELINES within a discipline but, they don't provide the REGULATIONS that must be followed. Government will be informed by these organisations when law making. However, If companies are left to just guidelines, they will cut corners definitely

[@kingoftheworld7061]

And we are back to demonmama insanity

[@ThumbsHunter]

>demon mama >she ngmi

[@sghost128]

How easy does DM think chemistry actually is? I'm so tired of people devaluing and oversimplifying other people professions because they know nothing about it and just assume it's easy because they read one thing on the internet. Talk about Dunning Kruger effect.

[@MrWiwl]

I have a chem degree, I'm not touching some bathtub chemical that someone has made in outer Mongolia. How simple does she think the synthesis is haha

[@FrenkieWest32]

@Kaleb Jones it's like an amateur cook (not even, just a random dude who can make a boiled egg) having to make puffer fish sushi.