Destroying Drums and Synths On The Generation Loss MkII // The Lo-Fi Pedal I've Been Waiting For

[@vinylarchaeologist]

5 months later, and I think it‘s important to acknowledge that: a) Chase Bliss have physically updated the pedal to address the BASS issue, and b) they have reduced latency with a firmware upgrade. Regarding a), there is a video by them where they show you how to do the modification yourself, or you can send yours in to have it modified by them at no extra cost except shipping. Regarding b), a little bit of latency will always be there, I mean it‘s a pedal messing with the fabric of time by slowing down tape - it can‘t see the future of what you‘re going to play, so it‘ll always lag a bit behind. That‘s just logical to me… Anyway, here is the video from CB: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nIHYoIyYr7aebNU

[@henryhill92]

Latency is fine, but doubling is a huge problem

[@sunnyschramm9650]

the doubling is caused by the latency. sadly you loose other features and quality of some effects with the new ""OPTIONAL / ALTERNATIVE" firmware. they DONT updated the pedal for the bass in general - its a soldering and permanent modification you can do by yourself with soldering knowledge or sending it to chase bliss. So BOTH - firmware and bass-mod - are not meant to "fix" something - everything is how they want it to be...BUT they give you the option to change it to your needs - what is nice. @@henryhill92@archaeologis

[@VolcaRock]

Thank you for the great demo, and especially for the example with the drums and LOW CUT👍 I wonder why you are the first (synth)reviewer to figure this out.😃

[@coffey5476]

first video ive seen of this thing where it isn't just constant praise of the pedal, at least he points out the flaws too while also giving a good showcase

[@gianlucamarchese]

It wouldn't be a perfect Saturday without your videos The phasing / comb filtering is part of the R2R and Tape flavor you'd get if you had a dry/wet mix due to the misalignment between the recording and the playback head "I guess", not 100% sure but still has a place, even on drums for fills (I already imagine a fill with just the top playing through Gen Loss doubling and Blooper lo-fi delay mode)... So, funnily enough, I purchased a Peak and I'm about to buy Blooper and Gen Loss mk2 thanks to you, gonna pair them with Modwave and Blofeld (sold Waldorf M and sent back Iridium, couldn't gel with them as hard as I tried), now I just need a solid drum machine / groovebox (in doubt between Roland and Elektron, Polyend Play seems cool but lacks a ton of features/workflow tools I'd love to have) and some punchy synth for bass lines 👀 On synths this pedal is completely a Boards of Canada playground, so damn dope, made my Shallow Water gas calm down (still want it of course, it's so damn liquid)... 14:05 was damn crazy not gonna lie 🤣 Always dead on the money with your videos and lighting improvements, felicitaciones por el nuevo trabajo hermano

[@RickyTinez]

right I think its by design! because its so precisely off hahah! And say sorry to your wallet for me. Thanks so much for the support Gianluca!

[@inthefade]

It would be cool if that delay was optional, but it sounds like processing latency. I intentionally put delays like that in my production to make things more dirty, but it isn't always desirable for everyone and for everything. Pretty rad pedal overall.

[@voxeljunk4453]

4:20 in MISO mode the doubling is likely just part of how it achieves stereo. as to why it works even in bypass - the dip switches on a handful of Chase Bliss pedals apply settings even when the pedal is bypassed. Habit's Dry Kill, for example, makes Habit act more or less as a mute switch when off (which is very confusing if you're not expecting it). imo it wouldn't make sense for MISO mode to turn off when bypassing the pedal because then any stereo pedals further down the chain would suddenly only get mono input wherever you bypass which could cause much more havoc and confusion than just leaving it active.

[@MatthewSwasta]

it does it in mono as well

[@nikola.kovacevic]

The sound from 14:13 is the sound of the electric guns they use in the Matrix. When Dozer shoots Cypher. It's that exact sound!

[@TylerLyleMusic]

When has this level of ambition been attempted on a “guitar pedal?” I can reamp this in my studio as saturation, as chorus/phase, as tape emulation (of 12 different models). On instruments it sounds amazing, but this is a steal when you think about it’s utility as a studio tool. It sounds fantastic in the dozens of situations I’ve used it in. It’s way more than a guitar pedal.

[@ZenMountain]

So what's your point? Everyone should just shut up and not expect a $400 device to work properly? Form factor is irrelevant, we're not in the 80s anymore man. Latency like that is unacceptable for a device this price IMHO and if people wouldn't complain then nothing would ever change. I'm glad you're in love with your pedal, but don't expect everybody to conform and settle for subpar performance with a relatively high price tag.

[@Tapepusher]

@@ZenMountainye this video just saved me €469, the latency makes it unusable in my case

[@cuba1956]

The low end loss may be due to balanced signal going in from the the interface which phases out the low end. The pedal may be expecting the unbalanced in.

[@inthefade]

Balanced signal shouldn't change frequency response afaik. At least in ideal operating conditions. The signal is just inverted in one channel, then reverted and summed with the other channel equally so any line noise is cancelled out. Bad quality cables can effect freq response though.

[@cuba1956]

Definitely. I've encountered weird jack connections in various equipment. Haven't looked into this pedal specifically. RNC compressor, for example, misbehaves if you plug balanced input into it.

[@midsoulmusic]

Great video as usual Ricky!

[@beelbrother1648]

I had to sell mine because of that low freq cut and the latency doubling thanks for demonstrating those issues.

[@captainlovett4724]

The last 60 seconds sound great!!! I think the phasing will take some time to reign in for the master-fx users, which i thought i would be, but now it seems like a better pedal to simply put at the end of a synth fx chain

[@davidwave4]

Your keyboard playing has gotten really good. Beautiful demonstration of what this pedal can do!

[@pooshNchums]

Favorite thing to do with my gen loss is play oldies through it and turn up the horror movie vibe

[@subradial]

Love all your videos Ricky and this is a real little box of wonders, can't wait for mine to arrive, thank you for another great and inspiring video!

[@nikola.kovacevic]

Great insight Ricky, thanks. I've got one on order and it's very useful to hear your thoughts on the latency and the delay. It's a shame it's not zero latency as I'd mostly be using it live with the occasional processing of stems.

[@MatthewSwasta]

I returned mine for a full refund because of this latency issue

[@nikola.kovacevic]

@@MatthewSwasta I really hope it won't annoy me enough to return it although the bass drop is already concerning.

[@MatthewSwasta]

@@nikola.kovacevic I hope it works out for you. If you record with a DAW, try out and compare it to the Sketchcassette plugin. I think that is what really influenced my choice to send it back. I am not playing live right now, just recording.

[@JonValtandtheEvilRobots]

Seems to me it’d be impossible to have a tape-like effect in which the input and output are in time with each other. In real tape, the delay between the two would be a lot longer…. And that’s if you had one fancy enough to play from one head while recording on another. (Otherwise you record, stop, rewind, then play into your daw) I’d think dry signal + “clean” through-pedal signal would have a little slap back in it.

[@futur_sunds]

Pre video comment: is it just me or dose Ricky have the most satisfying videos thumb nails?

[@stinkboy777]

100%

[@astropo]

Agreed

[@iancain6647]

He's got this niche locked in pretty good...

[@schmapps1]

I’ll be real sad if he starts doing that stupid “surprised face”!!! Thumbnail that every KZbinrs apparently thinks is the key to clicks lol

[@futur_sunds]

@@schmapps1 omg I hope not lol

[@alangunn3850]

my perfect lofi pedal would be the saturate and flutter from GLMKII, the wow from the strymon deco, the filters and looper from the kinotone ribbons, and that GEN from the 1st gen. I like them all for many other reasons but those are my fave aspects of each.

[@medcabmarc2320]

The sounds in this video sound like Pigeonhed from Seattle. Especially from their first self titled record. That GenLoss is all kinds of magic!

[@dalexeiblues]

“Ricky Tinez is the dude making me buying pedals” This is what I say to my wife when I want an excuse to buy gear.

[@TheLiquidCanvas]

One of the the shortcomings of tape was def the low end response. Being an emulator of sorts I’d say they nailed it. I think the VST has some other control options as well as patches for drums. Maybe the general intention was to be used melodically or on an entire mix in a sampling context. Anyway.. Sounds dope! 🙏🏽

[@commodoor6549]

The doubling effect is cause by the MKII's latency. Great if that's what you want but getting rid of the effect requires you to adjust the latency.

[@marcus_fischer]

Glad you like the reel to reel preset ✌🏽😊

[@agentmith]

There is an unavoidable delay of audio going through the pedal due to how to processes the audio. They released an updated firmware that cuts down on the delay, but you lose audio quality and it ends up sounding like a bitcrusher kind of. If its a problem, try that, or record 2 tracks and shift them slightly in post.

[@Tapepusher]

Why can’t they just have the wet/delayed play by itself? And just accept the latency. It sounds like both the dry and the delayed signal are playing together, this video has made it clear that it’s not usable in my set up!

[@hollownation]

I think it would be interesting to do a comparison video with the sp404 effects

[@Hugeaudio]

I would be interested to hear the results in mono without the insert cable. I've had some strange results using those cables in certain configurations in the past.

[@tokiboi6777]

Would be interesting if thats all by design. Hopefully ChaseBliss sees this

[@MatthewSwasta]

they have acknowledged this on The Gear Page

[@daveorwick6232]

Hey Ricky - really enjoy your videos. Curious whether the doubling effect might be a signal routing issue - are you running mono in, stereo out, and do you have the “MISO” dip switch on?

[@MojoJojoMojo]

Might also be latency introduced by the pedal. It's digital after all and has to do AD + DA conversion.

[@beelbrother1648]

joel @ chasebliss has confirmed that it is processing latency and that it is "normal". they said they may offer a firmware update in the future to fix it but he seems too proud to do so right now.

[@beelbrother1648]

@@do_happywork the Kinotone Ribbons is another tape-inspired lofi pedal with randomized wow and flutter fx and has no perceivable slapback doubling effect. The Ribbons also has way more features than the GL MKII, including reverb, 4 track looper and a sine-wave synthesizer.

[@tokiboi6777]

this is how the review of my dreams looks like. finding odd things and showing them.

[@tokiboi6777]

@Ricky Tinez get lost fake scam ricky

[@16bitsound]

Niiiice, can't wait for mine to arrive!

[@iNerdier]

4:00 at a guess I'd hazard this could simulating when a highly saturated tape signal prints through into the layers surrounding it. Pretty cool effect though whatever it is.

[@carlodemarchis]

I need to say once more. Your video are so cool. I often follow them even if the content does not fully relate to what I am currently into. Bravo. 😂

[@martijn_nl]

Such a cool pedal! It's still a few months before commercial release so the addition of a low end survival function would be cool on some models!

[@Blackeyedangel]

that ambient live jam sounded like some pure David Lynch soundtrack stuff. really nice!

[@winterkeep]

*flicks switch to slide out keyboard* 👀

[@devonhansen7705]

I installed the firmware update they released for reducing the chorusing/doubling and it still has a kind of flange-y sound to it, unfortunately. I guess they're either unwilling or unable to make the pedal capable of providing a phase-coherent output when set to 100% wet, which in my opinion should be possible. This in combination with the amplitude fluctuations that occur with Wow/Flutter make it less ideal for master bus duties than I was hoping it would be...

[@petecolombo]

Crazy ground loop hum on this whole video.

[@tragicwill]

Just in time for my cup o coffee

[@jaycee713]

The user Wander.Wonder has a demo that mentions the doubling is a randomized panning being introduced. Not sure the accuracy of that, but worth a mention. This pedal is on my wishlist! Great review as always!!

[@MatthewSwasta]

no it's not...it's a very slight, and barely noticeable latency that has been acknowledged by Chase Bliss. It's not for some people and really great for those who either like it or don't notice or care about it. I sent mine back, but I love what others are doing with it!!! Now whether there are inconsistencies from pedal to pedal, we won't know until someone does a side by side of two Gen Loss MKII, and that's very unlikely to happen.

[@iZillR]

Thanks for mentioning the doubling effect. Bloom Music did a whole video about it. I think that would bother me. 😢

[@ernestpall1665]

They release a firmware update to reduce the latency that causing this. Also, you can make a modification to it that will enhance the bass.

[@Tapepusher]

@@ernestpall1665but reducing it is no good if it’s still gona combine the two in wet mode, sounds like it’ll just become a phaser lol 🤔 unless you can really just listen to the wet signal by itself

[@markpearce9849]

Great video. Was considering a first generation pedal, but this looks better. Cheers, Ricky.

[@RickyTinez]

Because you have the Classic Mode on here, its a big upgrade. The classic mode was my favorite, plus its in stereo!

[@WastelandSurvival2]

Ricky Tinez ambient album incoming!

[@bermudateenager]

Gen Loss is high key the best pedal for synths. Having the high and low pass filter is so handy and adds just enough dirtiness for infinite v i b e s 🌊

[@jaysgood10]

Hi Ricky, dig your vids! Maybe I missed it but where did you get/make that cool keyboard drawer ?

[@Docdaman4]

Mine should be arriving later this week and I was definitely wanting to try running drums through it. I guess I could just concurrently run a dry (not COMPLETELY dry, just no gen loss) drum track and cut everything above 200 hz. Regardless of that, I’ve never been this excited about buying a pedal. This is exactly how I used to feel when I was a kid and I was about to get one of my first M rated games

[@TheJackJulian]

How does it feel for you, you probably have it with the mod right?

[@seanp2k617]

Seems like the low cut might be impedance mismatch. Try it through a Radial EXTC Stereo if you can - it’s made specifically for running line-level gear into and out of FX pedals.

[@PhilB303]

definite Boards of Canada vibes. the fornt on the pedal is kinda a copy of the famous BOC building image.... but the effects this thing can do are very unusual and really really useful

[@alskeno9918]

Love the studio vibe with the background and lanterns. Very sexy

[@Musickbox8]

Have you tried a different bypass to see how it affects the dry signal? I wonder if that would solve the bass loss “issue”

[@beelbrother1648]

the low freq cut is there whether set to true bypass or DSP bypass, unfortunately.

[@paolopaolomusik]

lost money again from this demo. money well spent (i think) 😂 again, as always, awesome stuff, ricky.

[@djktron]

I’ve been on the fence on this and Kinotone Ribbons 😬? Have you heard anything on Ribbons

[@beelbrother1648]

I got them both and decided to keep the ribbons because it doesn't have the low end frequency cut and doesn't have that insane latency issue.

[@djktron]

Nice and good to know, I ended up getting Ribbons!

[@willcolemanmusic]

@14:16 duuuude Dragon Ball Z! 😮

[@DEBOASSE]

you right! hahaha

[@benmorrow1701]

Pretty sure the upper-right knob sets different eq presets to emulate diff tape types, which would explain bass cut u noticed

[@MythMakerMusik]

14:13 soundtracking a Tarkovsky film

[@Abyssaeon]

What synth are you playing? Forgive me if you mentioned it. I didn’t see it listed in the description.

[@fargoththemoonsugarmaniac]

what kind of necklace you got there bud? looks dope

[@matthewwilson3673]

would you choose this pedal or the walrus m1 for lofi with synths?

[@RickyTinez]

The Reverb on the M1 is crazy, which is why I think I kept adding reverb on the Peak to make up for that. But the filters on Classic Mode on the Gen Loss sounds really good and the Failure knob with snags make it hard to beat in term of destruction of tape sound. The M1 is good for the usual wobble that you'd expect from a pedal like this but the Gen Loss takes it further in the direction of destroying the signal. Especially with the Models

[@paddyconn3344]

Off topic but where do you get your lights from ? I’d love some for my studio? Love how orange they are

[@lying-dalai]

The doubling effect + less bass seems to me like there could be a phasing problem. I don't hear this in other videos (including Knobs') so I would think that it's either your pedal, or your setup (o_o); Would you mind double checking, with e.g. a direct line DT → GL → your monitors, without fancy FX send?

[@MatthewSwasta]

Doesn't Knobs work directly with CB now? Not sure that would be a fair and impartial comparison.

[@lying-dalai]

Watch all the videos dropping on the Generation Loss 2, I haven’t noticed the phasing effect once. I’d bet that Ricky messed up a bit, that seems the obvious path to me. Anyway, I’ll receive mine this week, that will be the first thing I’ll check.

[@MatthewSwasta]

@@lying-dalai I sent mine back because of the latency. there is a possibility of inconsistent performance from pedal to pedal as well...

[@beelbrother1648]

i sold mine due to the low cut and latency which made it unusable for me.

[@a1o1]

Stereo .. more pedals with this please!

[@X-101]

Tape doesn't do doubling, it's clearly there's latency going on in the processing

[@RickyTinez]

but even when the dry is off though! that's what was tripping me out

[@X-101]

@@RickyTinez A lot of guitar pedals don't do true 100% wet that's why you can't use a lot of them for fx sends on mixers, When i use my boss pedal as an send fx some of the algorithms work fine but some don't and i get that doubling sound, what's confusing is this shouldn't really happen when you plug directly into a pedal which makes me think they had to use a large buffer.

[@MrMarcLaflamme]

@@RickyTinez @X-101 It almost sounds like monitoring is both direct from interface AND from Ableton Live (I've gotten this before). Something doesn't sound right..

[@henryhill92]

@@MrMarcLaflamme Exactly my thoughts, I'm pretty sure the bass loss is happening due to phasing from the way its being recorded

[@beelbrother1648]

the latency and eq cut have been confirmed by chase bliss it isn't a user issue.

[@user-bt6xo9ny3w]

Hey! How do you configured it so that you hear only processed signal with no dry sound? I switched DRY knob to dry. I'm just hearing dry audio from track i try to resample

[@jessetoews2446]

Has CB weighed in here regarding the latency comments?

[@78awhite]

I don’t think so but there’s a thread on TGP.

[@beelbrother1648]

they're claiming the pedal would have suffered if they reduced the latency. also mentioned possibly releasing a firmware update to fix it, but at the same time they are treating it like it's their baby and seem offended that people want it fixed.

[@Tapepusher]

@@beelbrother1648latency is fine but to have doubling in full wet mode is unacceptable in my perspective

[@tomtebby7408]

Hey Ricky - how about attempting to recreate the gen loss effect in the Peak mod matrix…

[@mux1978]

What's the name of the silver pedal you showed at the end?

[@jarord]

Shallow Water by Fairfield Circuitry

[@mux1978]

@@jarord Thank you.

[@mykdubz128]

fookin magic I must say

[@mykdubz128]

@Ricky Tinez this one and habit in combination and I could record 3 albums right away

[@iancain6647]

14:14 cool if I sample that?

[@RickyTinez]

please! take all the sounds

[@seal-nowweretalking6753]

Hey Brother Ricky, (Seal here as in recording artist known as). Love this video and found it very informative. Love your music even more. Let’s make some music together. ✌🏾&💜

[@MrMarcLaflamme]

15:04 You sure restrained that filter mouth haha. Hey maybe this is why your bypass wasn't sounding right? (Bypass mode hidden toggle between dsp and true) kzbin.info/www/bejne/iKeagGNmat5naa8 And in the CB Gen Loss MKII Sounds and Settings video their Drum Machine examples didn't exhibit the bass drop you did... so odd...

[@DerekMcCullar]

super cool

[@Decoy303]

I would probably use it for anything not having low end.

[@thelanavishnuorchestra]

It's the Boards of Canada filter

[@alexandersorbas1881]

3:44 must be the latency

[@DesertNinjaX]

Ricky "Check this out it's bad ass!" Me *turns it up to 11* KZbin *comes in with the face melter trying to save me a buck or two on insurance*

[@unitedsouls11]

Has CHASE BLISS answered some of those /all those questions you bring up in the video?

[@TheJackJulian]

Yep, check out their new firmware+bassmod video!

[@jessejohnson7591]

I love this pedal and it is next on my list, if available of course 😁. If you mix the original signal in with the effect signal path, don't you get those missing frequencies back?

[@Septimius]

In a digital/analog crossover workflow, it'd take two channels to record both the dry and the pedal signal. Of course, if you're using a loopback interface, it's less of an issue, but sometimes you just want to grab gear, put it on a table and record.

[@jessejohnson7591]

@@Septimius Great explanation. Ty!!!

[@tehnofonaieraksti]

for 20EUR mby .. but all the processing lag and digital latency, it's unusable for paralel processing. mby for some nishe or wery limited ways and only direct thru .l

[@mrcmarciniakify]

Ok thank You YEEEEEEERY much. I was going to try it out and now I can see it's shit :D

[@GizzyDillespee]

I have gear that does this already, whether by accident or on purpose, including the bass drain and alien resonances, and weird phasing and tripling, all that. I don't need a Failure knob, either. I'm like pigpen this stuff happens on its own naturally. But still, I see it's a sought after pedal?! Just do some things wrong, and this happens anyway.

[@GizzyDillespee]

Though, bless their heart for making stuff besides RKM and the orange Warped Vinyl.

[@romichjordan]

best pedal ever

[@RickyTinez]

I love that its finally in stereo, makes a huge difference

[@ionianechoes]

That thing sounds terrible, dry signal just so much better.