Detoxify self-perception with Buffy Sainte-Marie: Arizona State University (ASU)

Academy-Award winning musician and activist Buffy Sainte-Marie speaks at the Simon Ortiz and Labriola Center Lecture on Indigenous Land, Culture and Community.
With an introduction by Simon Ortiz, Buffy Sainte-Marie shares stories from her musical career, grassroots activism, Sesame Street in the 1970's, and being censored by Lyndon B. Johnson for her stance against the Vietnam War. She touches on the challenges and importance of education.
Sainte-Marie, a Canadian native, describes herself as a ""natural musician,"" whose love for music has crossed many genres, including rock, pop, powwow and folk. Artists such as Elvis Presley, Neil Diamond, Janis Joplin and Chet Atkins have covered her songs.
The Simon Ortiz and Labriola Center Lecture on Indigenous Land, Culture, and Community at Arizona State University addresses issues across disciplines in the arts, humanities, sciences and politics. Underscoring Indigenous American experiences and perspectives, this series seeks to create and celebrate knowledge that evolves from an inclusive worldview and that is applicable to all.
ASU Sponsors include: American Indian Policy Institute; American Indian Studies Program; Department of English; Faculty of History in the School of Historical, Philosophical, and Religious Studies; Indian Legal Program in the Sandra Day O'Connor College of Law; Labriola National American Indian Data Center; Women and Gender Studies in the School of Social Transformation. The Heard Museum is ASU's community partner.
Recorded Oct. 10, 2013 at the Heard Museum in Phoenix.
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[@mboiko]

What bothers me most, was the lack of empathy given to her birth family. For 60 YEARS they were bullied and threatened by one of the most powerful law firms in the world. Being sworn to NEVER tell the truth or else lose all they own. Years later she then incredibly blackmails her own brother. All to protect her secret. If her adopted family wants to look the other way so be it, but as her late brother Alan said.."One day the truth will come out"...and he was right.

[@GrantStreetGarden]

I was never into Buffy, I forgot about her for decades, I just discovered this story coming to a new light, it came out a couple months ago and just found it, I am so shocked at the story. I worked with Native Americans on political and land issues in California the Ohlone and Chumash, I am Irish/Romany, they just counted me as part of them, but not them. Like allies. What Buffy has done has ruined many bridges that were built. What a liar, so disappointing, I only hope all truths will come to light now.

[@youbetcha6880]

And the Academy Award goes to Buffy Saint Marie for "Pretendian."

[@BiGDuke6Actual]

With recent revelations of BEV's actual heritage, guess the title of this - now - can only be deemed as IRONIC..

[@WildKustomsCars]

What an amazing, intelligent, articulate woman. I first discovered her back in the early 1970's at about the age of 12 or 13. As noted, she basically dropped off the US map musically thanks to some not-so-wonderful politicians, but I have never forgotten. I am in my 50's now and I am discovering her all over again. What an inspiration for all people.

[@merricat3025]

Well, now we all found out she was a fraud. Politicians after her was probably all a lie too. Just a way to get attention

[@robford3211]

I am sorry for your loss

[@marzipanmango]

My First Nations studies prof introduced us to Buffy in class a few weeks ago (specifically Qu'appelle Valley Saskatchewan; I hadn't heard anything like it before) and I've been captivated ever since. I can't believe nobody had told me about her before; she's an amazing musician but also an amazing speaker/thinker.

[@sudoku252]

Isn't qu'appelle valley one of Buffy's home nation areas?

[@Dave183]

i live in New Zealand. We have issues like this too... ...the truth about Buffy? At present I have an open mind. I think that it is her business. But I also believe that there is a lot more to know...

[@valross4886]

hard to say, there were so many@@sudoku252

[@Hammster69official]

What an amazingly sharp woman, even more amazingly so when one remembers that she was 72 years old at the time this was recorded.

[@momato317]

Teacher & Healer. God is alive; Magic is afoot

[@Hithere-ek4qt]

no, Buffy is alive - whatever you think about a god, just keep it to yourself.

[@karinlawrence6500]

@@Hithere-ek4qt How embarrassing for you. Mari was quoting Buffy's famous song.

[@ramonephone8106]

in the late 60's and early 70's i worked for buffy taking care of her fan mail, making christmas wreath of mixed winter green sold them gave buffy the money to help her cause. she is truly a woman a person, who puts her feelings into words, then into songs for world to lean and enjoy.thank you, buffy my wonderful friend, ramonsaintramon

[@DebEDee]

❤

[@owikiskichikew]

Absolutely brilliant - and she tells it exactly as I tell so many - there's hate - there's greed - there's racism - and then there's poor leadership guiding it all.

[@nachman613]

Thank you so much for this - it's delightful to listen to Buffy speak!

[@valross4886]

Wait just a minute. Beverly "Bronzer" Santamaria is going to talk about detoxifying self-perception? Wowzer. Let me grab some popcorn for this one.

[@lindagarland8215]

I have been a fan of Bully Sainte-Marie since the sixties. I still play her music today and often! This presentation is worth listening again, embracing, and SHARING. These words are so healing and relevant for today!!!! (Timeless, in fact). Please treat yourself to this hour, when you have a special "alone" time. You will feel rich and empowered, I promise you.

[@derekthomas8529]

Oh my ... She is Simply Wonderful ! So , Honest , Straight forward and True !

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[@Apachita]

So honest.....🤨?

[@amna1314]

There is something about the truth that just makes you feel good. Thanks Buffy, you are a great leader.

[@mikemccag]

ohhh ouch...that didn't age well

[@Arewal851]

😆 I saw that nugget of truth there too. You mean at marker 22:45 where she admits she BECAME an Indian!? (nice Freudian slip Buffy!). Check it out. Its right where she says all natives are racist, except of course herself, as she goes onto defend Christopher Columbus and his men as just having "bad management"! Buffy, with better management would they have done even better (??) in their plan to annihilate ALL INDIGENOUS PEOPLE FROM NORTH AND SOUTH AMERICA??“ Does she even know what they did? Or maybe she is related to Christopher Columbus....His boat was Santamaria....her name is "Beverly Santamaria 🧐

[@guytitanic]

Buffy for Prime Minister!!!

[@user-fv7pd6cf4t]

Greg Lecuyer yes she chief!! feathers in!!! tie out.

[@2uconner]

Buffy

[@morgan-5171]

Here here 👉 👍 As she has seen.

[@daniellapawl1048]

This is a wonderful lecture. Thank you so much.

[@michaelerickson5623]

She confirmed something I also discovered. In her explanations about European history... the white race (my ancestors) who came west after a thousand years of vendetta (which is what feudalism is), having been literal serfs and slaves, terrorized and violated for long generations, desperate for their own place (which still remains "the American dream - one's own place), having been told this was an empty land... to discover they were again servants to the robber barons and finding themselves participating in a slaughter... creating a "fought for land"... Now I stand, as an inheritor of this horror, and so relieved that this amazing Cree visionary allows that I also have a place to stand on the earth in spite of my white skin, and that I can also be part of the solution to this... and help create a just world. I meet Indians who tell me, "go home white man"... and with no home to go back to, I have to say, How? As a child I met Don McCloud (husband of the Nisqually indian Activist Janet McCloud - Yet-Si-Blue - who I also met, not knowing then how important she was... Don worked with my step-father, and he told my brother one day that he was quite enthused about the American space program since he fully expected that after the moon landing, that the move into space would go forward full tilt, and the white race would go into space, and leave the land to the original people. It didn't quite work out that way... so, well Buffy is right, in a lot of ways, we are all refugees... but with the creative power to forge something entirely new, and bright, clean and resilient. Idle no more is for me too. Thank you - those who posted this... I feel so much better, and empowered, and as you rise, I rise. I (like you) have some cooking to do... my own gift to serve up, and my own part of the solution. This Buffy Saint-Marie, she is a leader I can follow the example of. Many thanks.

[@michaelheery6303]

Michael Erickson go africa , also look for kinshasaorchesra video,.

[@joanframe7779]

Wow...thank you...are you now in Canada? See we stii have a huge issue here and i would love to speak to you ...Google me and let me know

[@paulinebarrett7317]

Michael Erick

[@giovanna722]

Yes, every oppressor has a history and a story. I love that Buffy brought that to light. Such a generous soul.

[@ameliatribeofissachar7311]

You devils are exposed Hebrews 12:16-17 KJV lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

[@johnrupprecht4103]

That a person raised in pain and shame can move beyond that into being a leader in speaking and singing out against man's inhumanity to man is beyond extraordinary. No wonder that she has about 6 honorary doctorates

[@hannelorebeden25]

so true! see bob marley, rejected by his own people for being too white and rejected even more by his own father for being too black, look what he done-did! "forward ever - emancipate yourself from mental slavery, non but ourselves can free our minds!" (bob marley)

[@reforest4fertility]

@@hannelorebeden25 I heard some of Bob's song lyrics were passed down from elders in his community. There is one guy in particular, but can't recall the name? Anyone? BTW, strange this needs to be said, but this, if fact, takes nothing away from Bob Marley, nothing from his creativity -- to my mind it only lends to his magnanimity for listening & heeding what was heard. Love the line, There's a Natural Mystic flowing thru the air, if you listen very closely you will hear.

[@ilaieraci5106]

She has been exposed as the liar she is. All her honorary doctorates will be stripped from her.

[@Arewal851]

But she lied and will now have to give them all back

[@choff83005]

Thank you Buffy, you're the greatest. My Country Tis of Thy People You're Dying is my favorite and still brings tears. Bless you

[@mdean3445]

The recent Cdn version, Medicine Songs 2017, is incredible. It is blocked in Canada, probably for good reason.

[@Apachita]

Her music has always brought tears to my eyes too, in the same way as fingernails on a chalkboard. She sounds like a goat having a root canal.

[@iancameron4110]

Wow. This speech is very telling, she actually admits to her lies a number of times.

[@JesibelPerez]

I could listen to her for hours ❤️

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[@luciekulikova7500]

Love her, love her, love her, love her....!!!!!!!

[@villemononen5303]

Oh that was good, thank you! Inspirational and changes the patterns.

[@maryannechilds6459]

Kiaora buffy st marie nga mihi from aotearoa nz. Meke human being❤🎉

[@CanadaSteamBuff]

One of my heroes from the 60's

[@joannekramirez]

Bert here you are great person and I have my granny Ray Bellintine vest she made my dad 70years old like to show are young people what a great artist

[@charleskristiansson1296]

Buffy is a healer and a teacher. She was spot on about the rot of European 'royalty' and the Indigenous peoples.

[@UncleJams]

Buffy always makes me feel good to be alive.

[@dustyblue2ify]

Bless You Buffy for Your Tenacity of Sacred Spirit :)

[@39MercFlathead]

As truth speaking and beautiful today as she was in 1963 when I first discovered her. From sensuous love songs like Maple Sugar Boy to blunt anti-war songs like Universal Soldier, Buffy is a complete person.

[@exnbil]

None of what you say is true about her until she answers to " who is ""Love Sainte Marie Mason? ''

[@alaskahudson]

​@@exnbilWhat did this response mean?

[@LarisseMontrose]

God I love her.

[@VolcanicLioness]

I literally just discovered this lady 2 days ago and I'm like completely enamoured

[@mikemccag]

ya but....

[@KahlessTheUnforgettable]

🔥 BREAKING NEWS: Bluffy Ainte-Acree has just released a statement confirming that she IS 💯% INDIAN. She has revealed she is a lifelong Hindu and was raised in New Delhi, India 🇮🇳

[@YangbinWu]

Speaking the truth! Thank you Buffy!

[@exnbil]

Buffy is not a speaker of any truth until she answers to " Who is :""Love Sainte Marie Mason"?

[@robmeehan1]

What an amazing human being! Think it was '67 when I bought my first Buffy album. I remember buying her first MCA recording "Buffy", when it was new, along with Yellow Brick Road. Listened to Buffy's album twice and couldn't move on to Elton. Saw her tour with that album. Each subsequent release of hers was difficult to find, even new. In 1969, I had performed her song "Moratorium" at a Vietnam war rally in my hometown. The local paper only heard the "f" word. Ah well! Art and activism have shined through her career in ways one can only humbly aspire to. Thank you for continuing to inspire a better world.

[@CD-yr8tw]

Amazing faker.

[@irenenmarc]

Bluffy Sainte-Marie! Or should I say Beverly Jean Santamaria!

[@freemangriffin4953]

I always have to remember that the people who are doing so much harm have been harmed themselves. That doesn't mean that we should support the racketeers of any imperialist corporatist ruling class party; but we should undestand why they behave so badly. I love her history lesson about Europeans and why so much harm was done.

[@Apachita]

They were Italian and the boat was called Santamaria (and she is Beverly Santamaria from Italy.....)

[@ThildasBeinhaus]

What an inspiring person!

[@ordyhorizonrivieredunord712]

🐺

[@KevinLajiness]

Oh God how true, I can relate

[@jacinthedansereau5085]

She is just wonderful...and so beautiful...everything seems To be so easy and natural. For sure do your menu, cook it and serve them...simple and powerful poetry. Thank you so much Buffy To exist in such a beautiful way.

[@AlphaLynn]

Buffy comes in around the 14 minute mark, btw.

[@CD-yr8tw]

Beverly Santamaria.

[@Apachita]

And at the 22:40 minute mark she actually says she BECAME an indian!.

[@viralbuthow000]

Amazing, honest woman.

[@exnbil]

I know very much the opposite to be true and i openly exclaim so.

[@exnbil]

This is a delicate. Matter, to post openly my comment was a desperate act. Are you involved in the personal affairs if Buffy or are you just a curious individual. I will explain either way but it would help to know who you are?

[@chicblossom]

+William Morrissey nevermind. I already read ur other comments

[@joanframe7779]

@@exnbil ??

[@Apachita]

@@exnbil Why didn't you say something sooner? Did she threaten to slander you too like she did her brother?

[@jeanforget9309]

that was great!

[@edwardharley9]

Oh..... I love her so much.......What a wonderful divine woman..........

[@morgan-5171]

Here here, she an Angel..

[@2uconner]

I am Native Metis /part white/ and I grew up so close to Feeling the Racism and Poverty of my Youth we were Middle class but the poverty line was so close to my Family / if it weren't for my Parents pushing me forward I wouldn't have come this far Buffy is so inspirational I remember finding one of her record s at my Brother s and I was blown away by her she is so amazing I love her to bit s I love you Buffy !!!!I have followed the Leader and taken the Baton and made a way for myself ...thank you !!! You are great !!!

[@jgates04]

Buffy 2020!!!

[@stevezytveld6585]

This hurts to watch. I am so sorry for all the Elders that she looked in the eye and lied to, especially her adopted Cree family. She needs to be stripped of her honorariums and awards, including the Oscar. She needs to repay the cash awards, with interest. Her stamp should be cancelled. The white Italian-American needs to have her Order of Canada revoked. She needs to be investigated for fraud and serve time - that would be a good beginning to her reparations. - Cathy (&, accidently, Steve), Ottawa/Bytown/Pimisi

[@tatoois2]

Mr. Greed Your Time Has Come and Gone.

[@jameshenderson3925]

at 73 shes still a hottie.

[@Hithere-ek4qt]

'hottie'? - show a little respect (or perhaps, just grow up)

[@DebEDee]

Yes hottie was innapropriate. But yes she is very beautiful ! I believe thats what you meant. For future referrence 😊

[@babasovka]

she is the best

[@TheFroperson]

You are good. Am Mohawk near your age. Residential school robbed me. Keep going Buffy.

[@hummingbirdofgumption3263]

Why did Buffy toxify her self-perception to begin with?

[@richardbobb1878]

New and improved 2nd Amendment 2.1 In order to maintain the blessings of liberty and freedom throughout the land. The pre-existing natural right of self-defense shall always be upheld and protected. The right to manufacture keep and bear arms ammunition and parts and accessories for arms will not be infringed or impeded by any law or mandate by either the States or federal government. A free market being necessary to a free people the right to manufacture arms for sale or any accessory for arms including ammunition for any arms will not be infringed or impeded. : )

[@morgan-5171]

I know why God brought me to buffy now! Keep the faith all" as in this time of darkness" know there is light and love at the end of the tunnel. God bless the one called Buffy st Marie. America should be proud of her 👉 🗿

[@margaretmorrison107]

You can keep her don’t want a pretendian.

[@refpoc]

get then girl!!!!!!!!!!

[@CrowdPleeza]

She pointed out the killings that Europeans committed in Europe and in the Americas. I'd be curious to hear her opinion on Native Americans who committed killings. Like the human and child sacrifices of the Aztecs and Inca. The raids of the Commanches who almost exterminated the Apache.

[@ameliatribeofissachar7311]

Hebrews 12:16-17 KJV lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

[@user-uq5db4rk1c]

The fact that she is more native and indigenous in appearance than any actual indigenous person, the fact that she's a walking stereotype, not just in what she wears, but the fake accent she uses - all that should've been a giveaway. Ask Americans what a native American looks like and you think of "Iron Eyes Cody" in the famous ad of the "crying Indian." Who was he? An Italian American!!

[@Annie10k]

✨😊🙏🏽💕🌹✨

[@ValleyoftheRogue]

This hasn't aged well, LOL.

[@socozy2]

Keshagesh !!

[@glenrussell9975]

In terms of "oneness"?!?!?!? I listen and hear the controversy. In oneness with who, what?? Baloney!!!!

[@glenrussell9975]

@Sinkpehna RossFire Ahahaha and they bite the hands that feed them. Greedy is as greedy does!!

[@sudoku252]

Start with your neighbor, then community then city... Commonality rather than difference

[@Apachita]

It is spelled Bologna and is Italian like her .LOL!

[@wovokanarchy]

Why does Mr. Ortiz take so much bloody time to introduce the speaker?

[@michaelerickson5623]

Indian folk take time... it's one of their strengths. Stories and patient dialogue are part of their being, so it's good for us to set aside our impatience, and drive toward a singular goal, and listen to the story, learn from it, and allow the speaker to set up the ideas as they feel they need to - since understanding in depth is what they usually aim for. He was not taking "so much bloody time"... He was setting a context. I personally enjoyed it.

[@wovokanarchy]

Mr. Ortiz does this to every guest speaker. If one wants the limelight that much, cancel the lecture series and just have Mr. Ortiz speak at every function .

[@MsPrettypinkpanther8]

Your last comment makes you sound pretty ignorant. I used to be just like you until I met my best friend, a Cherokee man, who has managed to open my ears, eyes, and heart. It is important to slow down, take your time, share experiences, and most importantly, listen to the whole story before getting to the main point. Mr. Ortiz is doing a fine job and I really hope you learn to slow it down. You may find your life will become more enjoyable.

[@Hithere-ek4qt]

@@wovokanarchy Oh, grow up - and stop thinking everything should be done your way.

[@wovokanarchy]

@@Hithere-ek4qt Good advise to Mr. Ortiz.

[@michaelheery6303]

genghis khan killed 35 million,..

[@michaelheery6303]

go 14.min for buffie,

[@kaigeddes]

As a First Nations person, using the word "Indian" is so offensive. We can do better.

[@CrowdPleeza]

Isn't it alright if people say American-Indian to distinguish from Asian Indians?

[@sudoku252]

Pick on the small stuff. Miss the big picture

[@lisetteenriquez-velazquez9684]

It's completely offensive for her as a liar pretendian to say that or how about how she excuses murderers rapist conquistadors at 23:00 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

[@Apachita]

@@sudoku252 😆 And what is the big picture? That she defends the men aboard the boat that bears her last name and tried to make extinct the people she tried to impersonate?

[@Apachita]

You called it! And she laughs it off and defends the conquistadors as just having "bad management". What the heck kind of Kool-aid was she serving that made people look up to her? Her voice is worse than Yoko Ono and William hung put together!

[@vglaso]

I hope... in future, we all realize we are all indian(or indigenous). and- just because we live in a particular... state. Does not matter. my skin is white- (but- in the sun... it gets dark.) rain falls on everyone- and canada and mexico... are states where one needs a passport? to travel? something is not right. education is important. (and- there's enough money to go ... round and round. ) eh? I send 'best wishes'. - and appreciate work/songs. bye-

[@danyellerobinson5940]

This didn't age well at all. Truth always finds the light.

[@socozy2]

Me, me, me, I, I, I,... Geez, do you think Bev could brag some more about herself? I can barely watch this farce... with all the rings & things to reinforce her act and all the over-the-top expressions. Also, was she actually really blacklisted? I think Its just part of her act "The Narcissistic Liar".

[@DebEDee]

I feel sorry for you. Don't watch it if it bothers you. Do something for your own health. Whoever she is, she was working for we indigeonous and she used the gifts God gave her in our behalf- not much for her own. You should get to work on your own unhappiness . Stop drinking if it is a problem stop eating junk food , if you do. Learn something new about your own talents and use them for good . I understand why you feek so " betrayed" but that was you being manipulated by media. Not by Bev. (Buffy)

[@margaretmorrison107]

You are not Native Buffy.

[@ardalla535]

Buffy can espouse the virtues of 'play' all she wants. If you have a natural voice and ability like she has, you can make a career out of playing. If you want to be a serious musician and play in an orchestra, you have to work at it. And much of that work is not much fun. What she's saying is basically leftist nonsense: Let children play their way to being an astrophysicist. And people sit there and applaud this because she's telling them what they want to hear. Take another example. If you want to be a Biblical scholar, you have to learn several archaic languages and put in years of study into methodology. If you don't, you won't be taken seriously by anyone and you're wasting your time. Does she think one can learn engineering by 'playing'? She brags about not doing sports. Fine ... but why would she brag about not getting any exercise as a kid.

[@giovanna722]

She's just telling people to find their joy, and let that inspire the work. Do you know how many people work till the cows come home and don't produce anything worthwhile, simply because there's no real desire or inspiration involved? Also you're assuming that, as she's naturally gifted, she didn't work to hone her talents. Is that because she's a folk musician, and therefore a lesser artist than someone who plays in an orchestra, in your estimation? She achieved what she did through a combination of work and play, and finding the balance between the two, is an art in itself.

[@Apachita]

@@giovanna722 Oh my goodness go watch her latest on Tiny desk. She still sings off-key and never tried to hone anything. Still has a goat vibrato. She is far too NPD to accept she has no talent. The only thing that got her this far was pretending to be an Indian.

[@Apachita]

Haven't you noticed....all Buffy does is brag (and gloat). She is the BEST the FIRST, the ONLY. Finally exposed! What a fraud. And how disgusting is this video where she defends her Italian relatives who conquered (can't use the real words to describe what they did, because youtube will block my comment) the Americas on the boat that shares her real last name! BTW great that you said something was amiss with her before the rest of the world caught up.

[@CD-yr8tw]

What a fake.

[@Dave183]

As we speak- Buffy is being slandered, left, right and centre. She knows her own truth, her own integrity... I think people should decided for themselves- who is right, and who is wrong...

[@mboiko]

For those of us who remember the JFK assassination like it was yesterday as I do...this has been a very painful, and difficult revelation. She had one of the most powerful law firms in the world go after her own blue-collar Boston area family for 60 YEARS and then years later blackmail her own late brother...just to keep her secret...this is incredibly sad.

[@Dave183]

I think there is much more to this story than meets the eye. I didn't know the facts you have mentioned here. I am an expert on toxic families and have seen and heard it all. I think that the jury is still out- on Buffy's true identity... @@mboiko

[@mboiko]

@@Dave183 From what we now know Buffy (born Beverly Jean Santamaria in Stoneham MA) was an Italian/English girl raised by her 2 biological parents in Wakefield MA. A totally normal childhood outside Boston where she had no interest in indigenous people growing up UNTIL she went off to UMass Amherst where she majored in Teaching and Oriental Philosophy. This is when she first joined an on-campus indigenous interest group which led to her early on-stage indigenous folk music persona...much to the surprise of the family who raised her outside Boston. Looking at her Elementary/High School yearbook pictures it's very clear she was one of many white Italian-American girls growing up outside of Boston at the time. Her uncle even went to the local paper in the early '60s to set the record straight about his niece saying actually she had 2 white biological parents and that this was just an indigenous persona she created all herself to help her career. Ironically in her High School Yearbook, she said.."plans to be an airline stewardess". I will try to post a link to the yearbook picture below...

[@socozy2]

@@Dave183 I think the jury is still out only for those who did not see or read the whole CBC investigative report. Why not learn the facts?

[@Dave183]

A DNA test would be a clincher. @@socozy2