What Makes an Engine Rod Knock Noise? | TSI TearDown

Today we took apart a MK6 GTI 2.0T TSI Engine that had Rod Knock. We also go over what can cause Rod Knock and how to prevent it.
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[@AdamChandler86]

You could see Paul's wheels spinning as it about to say 2 chains. So glad you didn't edit out that quiet buildup.

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[@LeadRakFPS]

"Both the bearings have alleviated themselves from their position." -Paul I lol'd way to hard when he said that.

[@MattCSLnut]

Change your engine oil waaaaay more frequently then the OEM recommendation suggests Kids 👍🏼 😬

[@TraceyAllen]

Just use a good oil. Check oil level regularly. Use the best filter you can get. 10 k miles changes are ok. Did it on my 95 Subaru from 267 k to 400k miles.

[@TraceyAllen]

Currently doing this on my tdi with liquid moly.

[@KasamS]

Yea vw with their long lifer intervals, 19k miles/2 years, fuck that

[@einfelder8262]

No need to waste the world's resources by doing unnecessary oil changes. Engines run much cleaner than 50 years ago, but stupid mantras persist.

[@TraceyAllen]

@@einfelder8262 oil is much better than it used to be. People need to use common sense too. If you drive gravel roads, definitely change more often. Check air filters more frequently.

[@djgeller737]

Bro thats the second video in a row I am watching of yours and learnt ALOT ! informative and explained easy ! keep up the good job

[@jontnoneya3404]

Thanks! Back in the 80s I had a Toyota Celica GT and a loud knock after "racing it" around the neighborhood. It wasn't a real race, just me seeing how fast it would accelerate, you know, standing on the gas with high RPMs and such. Never understood what happened but this vid cleared it up and yeah, I was horrible about maintaining that car.

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The explanation of the VR6... 👌🏼

[@robertmoore5918]

Brilliant breakdown as per usual and addictive viewing for me…Thank you and keep them coming?!!

[@tedjohnson64]

Excellent rod knock demo! Thanks for taking the effort to show us. Especially liked the sound demo part, where you showed what it sounds like in a running engine, as well as the explanation of how an oil leak causes the water pump seal to swell and actually break off part of the plastic housing.

[@dantemagz6672]

Highly recommend the timing tools that they sell. I ordered the crank tool with the cam locks, and they worked flawlessly, makes the job simple

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Very pleased you did address the skateboards...Now, all is well.

[@stevedubya291]

Learned a lot in this video. Thanks, guys! ✌️😎🤙

[@JoseGonzalez-hd7gr]

If you heard something like that, your engine it's knocking on the heavens door!!!!

[@Antimortem]

Cool guy , making engine teardown fun and exciting 👍🍭

[@TheRealOnceCoveted]

This guy answered a question I’ve had for about a week in the first 2 minutes of his video. 🤦🏾 SUBBED

[@robertwolfiii8711]

Thanks for the support video

[@Steve-bi3bw]

thank you engine doctor Paul

[@TurboModifiedS4]

“Rod Knock” is what we have nicknamed my Dad’s Golf TDI

[@josephsena5963]

My friends nicknamed my GTI a TDI😭

[@WONMARK]

Two chains got you a sub... Nice video overall... Learnt a lot...

[@TechnoZet]

I'd love to see them fix this engine and put it all back together and running.

[@xavierraifsnider2643]

Did balance shafts and screen deletes at 140k. Bearing burned out at 155k. Got a used engine off ebay, and rebuilding the old block for SnG.

[@Beterr]

Haha I love how the editor made rod knock fun

[@Scripturalnsights]

Super great video!

[@thedetailingdoctor5746]

Oh and damn you guys you’ve got that song stuck in my head now 🤣

[@ryanf.7933]

Great video. Very entertaining.

[@toapohatu1692]

2 chainz, ejecto seato cuz, shredded cheese. Great humor, can't stop laughing at the subtlety haha

[@leetnessgaming9751]

This dude is awesome

[@stevie-ray2020]

Can I make a suggestion; Buy or make a wheeled-dolly (that will fit over the engine-hoist frame), then place a shallow (but robust) plastic-basin to catch the 'mess' (alternatively, put closed-cell foam in a shallow under-bed storage-box to prevent the heavy stuff breaking it)!

[@carlosaguilar1945]

Good work!!

[@cryptographics9647]

"Yeah what is that? It's not a tumor" 😂

[@Rusty_39]

I bought a 12v vr6 jetta with an engine that "wouldn't stay running" for $350. After driving it for 15 minutes with a new battery it locked up on me and one of the rod bearings had spun and seized. The reason it spun was due to the old plastic guides falling into the oil pan and clogging the pickup. There was metal everywhere lmao. I rebuilt a used engine for it, and it has been running great ever since.

[@robertwinston2496]

Hahaha, "There she blows, there's no bearing in there!" Amazing @ 13:44

[@joeman840]

Well it's nice to know that all of the other awful noises from my 2.0 tsi are okay

[@holymolar]

Is your 2.0 t s I still running? Mine blew a rod yesterday and is not worth fixing.

[@OldAdventureBikes]

You guys should get an engine stand drip pan.

[@Mathewmartialart]

just had this issue ie big bad noises resulted in engine not running. however my situation was different, i maintained this car to the point the garage told me , dont need to do the full service etc as you havent done many miles and its sorted. so it was always topped off on oil etc. however they did mention on the last mot that it was oddly struggling to get passed the emotions test ( in the uk), which tells me this was all related to the pistons using up oil .

[@beniaminrolea8891]

Question: If the play is in the opposite end of the connecting rod, how you call that knock (noise)? Also, for crank jurnals... Thank you!

[@dont-want-no-wrench]

i got one like this. what i'm gonna do, is polish up the journal, put a new bearing in it, run it on half diesel, half old oil, drain that after a bit, and replace with good oil. everything i read says this aint gonna work for long, but i got nothing to lose at this point!

[@Me-sb3mx]

Hey Paul , can you make a video about ShopDap , and how you control your business and the budget that you started with

[@stevie-ray2020]

Years ago when the connecting-rod bearings wore on the middle pistons of my Mini Cooper S engine, the halves of the bearings wore unevenly & wedged against each other, causing the engine to seize after losing power. Fortunately the engine hadn't been fried & was rebuilt!

[@grjoninn4178]

Subaru comes standard with a rod knock when buying second hand. Issaprankbro

[@TormentedPenguin]

As a Hyundai mechanic.. this video really hits home for me.. love the videos!

[@littleE33]

Yes. Spun a bearing in my 07 tiburon. Was devastated. Probably gonna convert it to manual

[@TormentedPenguin]

@littleE33 those engines weren't bad... the 2013+ have a massive recall for bearing issues.. I'm actually doing one right now that has 2mm of play in the piston... that's a missing bearing entirely.

[@SenselessVybez]

Green horn question here only had my 2k13 mk6 gti for 1 year now, and I wanted to know the typical price range of getting the timing chain done. Looking to do it in the next 30 days I’ve only seen dealership quotes of around 12-1400. If I can get closer to 1k or a little under that would be ideal. Not sure how realistic those numbers are figured why id ask

[@chloeleedow7250]

Love both yours and Charles channels big VAG fanboy but damn watching these videos I'd definitely pay someone else to fix them, they have so many special tools and more complex compared to some Japanese engines and they use so much damn plastic lol. I really want a mk7.5 R but even though I can afford one cos I got a pay out, I'm still not sure I could ever afford to maintain it even with plenty of preventative maintenance 😂🤔

[@ThatOneMule]

My water pump did that! My mechanic showed it to me. But I replaced it when recommended so everything was OK. 2007 STS.

[@thedetailingdoctor5746]

Virtual reality 6 cylinder 🤣🤣 love it

[@BlitzMekanika]

“Nock, Nock” “Who’s there” “Rodney”😂😎

[@a.d4911]

We got pd105 that cracked the piston then ejected the con rod and squashed the bearing like gum it was a sight to behold It was like a chest buster from alien

[@AJRestoration]

Take care of your engine, and your engine will take care of you.

[@viktormarchenko3394]

Supper

[@MikeBohde]

I thought Paul was going to break into a Walken impression at the end.

[@user-ci2xk3su8e]

I have similar issues and I would like to ask for advice. I have Audi A4 b8,5 2013 , 2.0 tfsi quattro , I can hear a sound similar to this one but is not that loud, went to a few places and everyone was saying the sound comes from the flywheel, because when I shift gears drop P to D the sound is gone . Warranty company change the flywheel but the sound is still there , is not that loud but is there . What do you think? Thank you!!

[@unrealistu]

Do the camshafts have to be replacead also if I consider rebuilding a similar engine?

[@Rio356]

HAHA that vr meme wow 10/10

[@jae9843]

lol @10:18. Legit thought you were doing a Christopher Walken impression, but it trailed off too quick

[@em1ownerify]

As a vw tech. I’d never recommend the 10k intervals. My mk6 gti k04 oil change gets done every 3-5k at max. I’m 106000 miles now and absolutely nothing wrong with her. Always check oil level inbetween changes as well

[@tom.mk7_151]

Do you guys build mk7 motors to ship?

[@ostrich67]

Replace the timing belt with a chain, they said. It'll never need replacing, they said.

[@bennir1997]

I’ve a mk4 golf and engine is making a similar sound to the rod knock but engine is down a lot on power. Would this mean it is still going to be a rod that’s damaged or something else?

[@christopherpuffer6494]

3 years ago I swapped at tsi engine run with a broken radiator Assy and no water. Probably a stolen “running from the cops” as the back window was busted out. The oil baffles and even the sensors were dripping melted. ECU needed replacement. I replaced the engine with a known good and she still running strong. ALWAYS CHANGE OIL AT 5k. Don’t let your car engine leak. Get it fixed.

[@johneinberger6322]

Doctor: Rod Knock can be cured. Mrs. Knock: I didn’t even know he was sick! Badum, bum... I’ll show myself out now!

[@Edvinthemuppet]

The sound of rod knock brings back some bad memories

[@Edvinthemuppet]

@Adam B have you tried putting the engine in neutral and rolling to check if it can be anything to do with the wheels or bushings? If you have and no sound then I don't know

[@vincenttira1674]

My Hyundai Sonata engine rob blew they appareny have known issues with this. Hopefully they honor the recall. None the less interesting to see what is actually happening though

[@jdmtechllc6589]

Knock, knock. Who’s there? Cylinder number four!

[@carlodonnell146]

I'm getting a knock from the rear of the sump and It seems to be louder on the right side, 2001 dodge ram van; I don't know what to think. The pressure gauge is behaving differently from how it used to too. I replaced the oil recently, and the noise is still there, mostly at idle. I can't hear it when I'm driving.

[@W126Legendary]

I had exactly the same problem in my mk6 gti and I replaced the cranshaft with a used one in very good condition with 50k miles I replaced the connecting rod that was damaged and it was black again with used one in good condition and all new set of bearings and new timing chain set. My question is Will I have any problems with my engine now or should I replace all the parts?

[@maxavaria]

So I got rodknock a few days ago, replaced the camshaft and bearings all of them cost like 600$ for the whole job. Engine is fine now. That was a disaster...

[@maxavaria]

@Anthony M yeah, it is. Just takes a lot of work. In my case i had the replace the whole crank as it was bent. Basically it costed me around 3.5k $ in my currency. Had to clean the whole engine and polish the camshaft and camshaft journals as they were a bit scratched. Got new rods, pistons and rings and everything else needed for a rebuild

[@maxavaria]

@Anthony M oh and a new oil pump as I thought it was the problem (prolly wasnt haha)

[@maxavaria]

@Anthony M i would advise you just to buy a second hand engine tho, way easier

[@maxavaria]

@Anthony M unfortunate, damn. Well atleast you have a brand new engine now haha.

[@maxavaria]

@Anthony M now thats gonna cost you a lot haha, but ye if you have the cash, go for it

[@Andrew-ik2uk]

when the rod goes through the block, "it throw's a leg out of bed"

[@moniack]

Engine has hatched.

[@tonynicoletti3545]

Can you take upper oil pan off in the car ?? Do you need to remove transmission??

[@MegaReddevil71]

You can't seem to get the range of oversize bearings now for modern engines like some yrs ago most people replace rather than rebuild as labour and time mounts up

[@TheMlvswoll]

Digging that shirt

[@I6N54]

I just ordered the TSI timing tool kit from you the other day so I can fix this cheap GTI I bought. I have been dealing with and fixing VW/Audi timing issues on vehicles, years ranging from 2000-2013, do you think VW finally got it figured it out in the new MK7s or is it too early to tell?

[@Deutscheautoparts]

Thanks for the order, we appreciate the support very much. MK7s seem to be ok in the timing chains at this point.

[@SerbanCMusca-ut8ny]

Granted, the engine was starved of oil. Now, my question is, why was just that one bearing out of the 4 shot? Does it not have to do with a particular oil canal that got clugged? Anyway, interesting content, thank you!

[@cancelhandles]

I'm not a mechanic, not an engineer, and I haven't rebuilt an engine before. However, my best guess is that what little oil the engine could pump (if any) would be sprayed over the valves and as many bearings as it could reach before there simply wasn't enough/it was too gooey to reach the rest, therefore making one bearing go out first.

[@jesusmartinez878]

That 2 chains part is the funniest thing I've heard from Paul 🤣

[@HixtyPerformance]

You ever figure out the metal slug in the oil pickup, got a car with the same thing but no ideas where it came from?

[@9erner]

👍👍👍👍

[@TooDopeDog]

My engine knocks but not nearly as hard as that one. I did have to rebuild half my engine tho 😅 i didnt change my timing chain tensioner

[@uddaside]

I had this on an Impreza I had, engine out job and cost me $6000. I'm not bitter at all......

[@dieseldiesel9292]

literally just happened to my car today. I bought the car 1 year ago and put 10k miles on it. Kept up up with the maintenance checked my oil every few days and now it's going to cost me $15,000 for a new engine since VW couldn't find any used ones in the country. Also 5 years left on the loan. Lesson learned. Never buy a used car.

[@zerofuckkksgiven8027]

How do you dock?

[@holymolar]

My V W just blew a rod yesterday according to the Naples Volkswagon service department. I don't doubt their diagnosis b/c of the knocking noise. So they said I need a new engine for 11,000.00 dollars. It's a 2018 Passat 2.0 t s i with 89K miles. It's been a great car till yesterday so now what? Do I incinerate or vaporize her or sell for parts or get it disappeared ? I'm stuck.

[@MyJeremy79]

Hey how do u recommend fixing timing chain failure in 05 vw 2.5 5cyl ?

[@MeDicen_Rocha]

The thing with timing chain failures is that you really dont know the extend of the damage until you open the engine. You could get away with changing a couple of valves and replacing the timing chain and guides. Or you could have a completely screwed up engine that needs a new head.

[@moi01887]

Do you have any idea why that bearing spun while all the others look okay?

[@beniaminrolea8891]

probably the oil started missing there, or the weak point (larger than normal play - tolerance) was there;

[@michaelhouser4673]

So on timing what do you prefer chain or belt driven and which do you think is more reliable

[@georgealmeida7382]

Neither that's why my stuff is gear driven plus it sounds cool as hell...ya I'm that guy

[@pauloremez2954]

God Bless you in The Name of JESUS for making and Posting This Video!

[@ProdigyFive]

What about when it only makes the noise right as I start it up?

[@chrisc5739]

I don't get why people are always so keen to replace rather than repair engines these days. I've replaced and repaired countless damaged engines. I've never had a problem with repaired engine but I've had a few bad engines from breaker yards. What's more, you know what you have with repaired block and head and it usually works out cheaper.

[@arjaycrystal9123]

what's the preventative maintenance for that oil leak that causes water pump damage?

[@Deutscheautoparts]

Mostly just to fix the leak before it gets out of hand. It would be coming from the cam cage

[@8x8snooptracing48hr-mz1do]

Sometimes n most times no oil or rear main bearing gasket damage worn out n rear main bearing rod not torque enough causing a gap n loose or over torque n damage broken

[@readylucas]

I have the low oil pressure issue, but no rod knockig. It still doesnt preform like it should. Im getting a new pickup tube, oil pump, water pump, sensors, ect. If i dont have any knocking noises can i get away without having the engine rebuilt. (0 oil pressure idle, 40-60 drive, overheating, oil level normal but dirty and was past change date when problem started)

[@famom9198]

Have you resolved the lower pressure fault?

[@readylucas]

@Famo M I have long gotten rid of the car, but intake cam, exaust cam, and cambridge were very badly worn. I'm going to assume it was the cambridge or balance shafts that started the chain of events, but these motors have a lot of little mesh screens when they get loose they tear shit up bad and it's very common for the 3rd generation 2.0tsi to have this issue where the cambridge screen dislodges and finds its way into the intake cam. Usually it gets stuck in an oil passage and u can just pull it out, worst case scenario it makes its way to the vvt solenoid or intake cam and gets shredded to a million small pieces and destroys the cylinder head. I had no noise in my bottom end, but I wouldn't be surprised if the bottom end was starting to get badly worn because of the amount of metal in the oil.

[@readylucas]

@Famo M also don't quote me on the 0 oil pressure that number wasn't correct. It was still too low like 10-15 at idle.

[@readylucas]

@Famo M if your having oiling issues I would start by checking cambridge for wear. It's one of the easiest things to get to. If there isn't any issues up top you would want to pull balance shafts and bearings which is a pain in the ass. Low oil pressure usually means the engine is worn out. If u have timing related codes and low oil pressure at idle I'd check the cylinder head first in these motors though. Sadly by the time u have the oil pressure light the damage is usually done but I've seen people save it replacing cams, and heads and cleaning oil system. It's a bitch

[@jameshaulenbeek5931]

That even looked damaged! 😳🤣

[@ermalmanushaqa1632]

Hello, i have this problem with my peugeot 207 but it makes noise only the first 5 minutes and then disappears,and when the engine is warm it doesnt make noise ,does anyone have an idea what it could be. Tnx

[@rimmersbryggeri]

That engine was a failiure waiting to happen from the factory. The real question is. Do vw do crate motors?

[@fccoz8348]

I have this problem with my truck but i always did my oil changes

[@311superfly]

Also. Clean oil won't flow through plastic clogged passages.oil pump. Any better than dirty..

[@Markedsoulofficial]

How can i message you guys personally? I wanna ask a few questions

[@daszieher]

Came here, because I have rod knock. Threw a used engine at the car and had the old (original) shipped back to me. I'll still think about repairing it. Some other time.