Developing a Musical Idea

[@ihaveriffs8261]

Part of me wants to take my entire “idea library” from the last 20 years and give it to you and let you take all the credit but at least it’ll be done and my life’s work can actually see the light of day instead of dying on my hard drive.

[@venator9536]

mood

[@maximiliandreier4531]

feel you bro

[@pierrefustec320]

How can anyone put a dislike to Guy, This guy is just exceptional and so educational. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

[@benoitpeeters7511]

Even beer can’t please everyone so... 😂

[@darrenhirst9900]

Its his evil twin 😂

[@TRFrench]

Because he's naughty...

[@DeanPresley]

Guy is the best teacher ive ever had

[@mykkelotteh]

I smiled when you switched it up... I wasn't expecting it😊

[@thesoundvault508]

I smiled all crazy lol. We need a guy hip hop video where he produces the best and wears both pairs of sunglasses again 😂

[@emanueldevos]

Damned Guy, that is one fine piece of music. I could see the scene from a middle eastern action movie in my mind when listening.

[@_XRMissie]

Something tells me that Guy would be a phenomenal dance producer. I can only imagine the glorious orchestral sound he could make if he tackled my favourite genres like Syntwave, Hardstyle, Melbourne Bounce and all that haha. This idea though... For some reason it kinda reminds me of Duel of the Fates; there's 2 competing "ideas" that blend and exchange with eachother in such a beautiful way. As for bouncing stuff out: I don't actually do this in FL Studio, I keep everything MIDI, do all my mixing and mastering in one so I don't splinter ideas. I just find it easier to keep cohesion when done this way.

[@nathantiemeyer9206]

It's simple, I see a new video from Guy, I press like! 😁

[@nickharris6637]

Fabulously informative as always, thank you. Plus, your enthusiasm is so infectious, master Michelmore. Great to be able to use that word in a good way these days.

[@ThinkSpaceEducation]

ha! thank you

[@da-p6814]

That song was fantastic! It vividly makes me picture a film about Rome vs the Gauls stylized like 300 for some reason. A trailer with wide, sweeping views followed by intimate battle scenes

[@SameerYamin]

Genius thank you! whenever im stuck in ideas this is my new bible !

[@TheValueOfN]

I only discovered your channel a few months ago but I've just realised that yours is my favourite out of all of the music creation channels that I'm subscribed to. When you get up close to the camera, it feels like you're talking to me personally. I absolutely love this track and its style is very similar to what I create. As soon as the drum loop kicked in, I was drawn in more than I have been before. Then the chopping of the guitar sample assured me that clicking the bell for all notifications is necessary. I believe that I've never clicked the bell for anyone else's channel, (out of the hundreds that I'm subscribed to). I reckon that more of the drum loops and sample manipulation would result in more subscribers. Keep it up... your energy is fascinatingly positive and I can't help but be inspired to create, (after a long period of lacking it). Thank you Guy.

[@gregdanielson9086]

Guy Michelmore: You're like a fun uncle to me. I love your channel.

[@HeavenestStCyr]

This was so fun and useful. Thank you for the breakdown of the process ...and especially for your enthusiasm and energy in teaching. Also, the final beat was fresh!

[@maruko8324]

Thank you Guy, now I have some work to do. I'm going to approach a project tomorrow the way you do.

[@joellongie]

You are quickly becoming my favorite youtuber! Thanks for all the videos and courses.

[@benoitpeeters7511]

Guy thanks a lot to share your experience and your positive energy with us! Such great content!!!!

[@xldsyt]

Love ya buddy. This was an exciting and informative "episode". Thanks much! (The "How to Write Music" short course from ThinkSpace is well worth the money and is time well spent. Thanks for that as well!)

[@ThinkSpaceEducation]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Kaos189]

I have an additional tip for your export strategy. If you have not already named you tracks/events with -EXP you can let the project logical editor do that for you. All you have to do is select the track/event with CTRL + left mouse and open the project logical editor (Project -> Pproject Logical Editor) Target 1. Set there the "Filter Target" to "Property" 2. The "Condition" to "Property is set" 3. The "Parameter 1" to "Event is selected" Action 1. Set "Action Target" to "Name" 2. Set "Operation" to "Append" 3. Set "Parameter 1" To "-EXP" or whatever Click then apply and all selected tracks/events will renamed with an additional -EXP

[@ThinkSpaceEducation]

I love logical editor - I'll look at that.

[@DaveDickens]

Another great video. I didn’t expect the percussion but it really worked.

[@tobythehatmusic]

OMG I wish I’d seen the mixing element , I just tried mixing 250 plus tracks , timing all over the place 🤦‍♂️ Totally Love everything you do Guy, Thank you so much for sharing, will get on the Music for Media course asap. 🙌

[@Muuuzzzi]

Guy, excellent content, keep up the great work, love the energy and enthusiasm! I know it’s hard work editing all the stuff with multiple cams.

[@Zhilkata]

It really has this "ancient" vibe, altough the melody is popular here in Eastern Europe and probably in the Orient as well. As for what it reminds me of - the "Prince of Persia" games, with Stuart Chatwood as composer. Similar blend between a guitar and world music. It sounds fresh and good in my humble opinion. Thank you, Guy! Edit - on second listening, it could also pass for something from Assassin's Creed back when Jesper Kyd scored them(the synths specifically). A solo female would've been a bit more appropriate I think, but it still sounds good.

[@ThinkSpaceEducation]

I can see that - it was that kind of game vibe I think

[@buhgok]

Guy, thank you for posting this. Completing a musical idea is something I struggle with and as I am watching this video is helping me figure out how to move forward. One thing that came to mind while watching was how do you avoid subconsciously or inadvertantly copying something you've heard before? I know for me, I listen to music quite often and sometimes I'll create a piece and then realize that I've somewhat copied something I've heard before (and that's embarrassing enough). But, what about those times it's not obvious? What kind of checks can be done prior to publishing to ensure you didn't just rip someone off on accident? Thanks again for all your videos! You've inspired me to write more in the last few months than I have in the last 10 years.

[@gkgyver]

Accept the fact that pretty much everything has been done in music, and that we live in an era of refinement, not innovation. On top of that, Film music for example has become very derivative (as for pop, don't start), so it's impossible to not write music that sounds like one or the other. It's very important to get over the paranoia, a widespread issue with composers it seems, and get into the comfort zone of just making music. And I know we all strive for excellence, but there's comfort in knowing that true genius is rare, and that you MIGHT not be the next John Williams or Hans Zimmer revolutionizing the music world, but that you may be the best whoever you are. In short, don't worry. Unless you get a decease and desist from Gorfaine Schwartz, you're fine.

[@TheYongqi]

You can't always be absolutely sure that you're not ripping someone off because there's just so much music you can listen to. Everyone steals from one another, that's just the way music is because we only have those 12 notes, atleast in our western music system. Star Wars? Holst's Planets all over it, some lines blatantly close. There's no shame in taking inspiration from others and use it in your own musical way. And that's the important part, making it your own and not straight ripping someone off.

[@gkgyver]

I think it would be near impossible to almost completely sound identical to a piece by a different composer on accident. Because everybody does things slightly differently. Unless you're intentionally ripping something off, maybe because a grumpy director wants THAT SOUND, it would be hard.

[@TheYongqi]

@@gkgyver true :)

[@buhgok]

@@gkgyver Thanks! That's sort of the feeling I've had but it's good to hear it from other people. I will get to writing and be the best me! :)

[@jamesdaniels8297]

This is exactly what I need right now. Thanks Guy!

[@CesarDMarin]

The final track blew my mind!! GREAT stuff!! thank you so much GUY!!

[@indyartmusic1142]

This is great!! I love the whole piece, if you want to make things really interesting for the listener, then sometimes you need a bit of contrast, which guy delivers when he changes it up with the 808 kick and rhythm loop etc!!!! This is really good, and actually quite inspiring? Thanks for sharing this Guy!!! Can't wait for more!!!!!!!

[@warrenography]

I love that switch up, it's freakin' cool!

[@LindaMissad]

Wow -- like the unexpected direction -- it also creates a little 3 against 4 rhythm pattern with the phrasing of the melody against the drum beat -- THANKS GUY

[@eightbars1]

amazing! I would neve guessed that was a guitar patch. I love the project, the idea, though. And the way you present it. Consider me subscribed from now on.

[@ThinkSpaceEducation]

welcome!

[@Excelsior1937]

The opening is definitely some type of “heroes find some ancient powerful temple” type of thing, but then the rest of it drops in and it turns out the evil villains drones were just behind them and cue the kickass action scene.

[@LindbergProductions]

Greetings from Sweden, love you and your channel. Very good content!

[@project1265ffo]

Fantastic!! Always surprising Guy ideas 👋

[@rahl1233]

This one hit my mark today... so often I’m full of a good idea... turning it into good ideas.. not so much..

[@wikedcircus6929]

Very cool with that beat Guy!

[@Colombiano0]

Your music always sounds so modern, fresh

[@michaelthorn1814]

Dancing at my workstation. Great tune thanks Guy

[@FLH3official]

It begins like a Scandinavian noire series, with the chopped corpse of a little girl found in a snowy forest, obviously, and finishes with Hannibal and his elephants meeting Mad Max. Great job, Guy

[@ThinkSpaceEducation]

Thank you. I always seem to be writing music for frozen corpses!

[@FLH3official]

@@ThinkSpaceEducation Yes, maybe, like a bunch of us who use sad celli with long weird reverb, but this time we got big drums on elephants and post apocalyptic distorted guitars in the plains of northern Anatolia, what a journey! (I always make me a movie when I heard music)

[@kieranroberts9119]

My guitar teacher recommended your channel and he is always right lol great stuff I'm binging on this 👍👍

[@GerryOConnell1]

Really inspiring in the Scottish rain

[@cerebralkaos2385]

Thank you so much Guy. i learnt so much from this session, and now subscribed looking forward to more!

[@JonAnderhub]

Ok that is friggin awesome!

[@ScubaSteveCanada]

Guy, I like to use A B A B C A, sometimes A B C A B C and had parts A and B recorded for a piece. 1.5 years later, a new idea became the C part ... I never delete standalone ideas I've recorded. Cheers, Steve

[@ThinkSpaceEducation]

Having a sense of form is a really big help so thats a good idea!

[@AllanGildea]

Fabulous! Thanks Guy!

[@robr471]

A great track, awesome advice at the end. Guy is a master. I've learned so much from him. Fan for life.

[@SpeccyMan]

Nice tune. Two minor changes come to my mind. Firstly I'd have the choir a little lower in volume in the mix and secondly, in the drop I'd double up on those kicks. Instead of kick, 2, 3, 4, I would go kick kick, 2, 3, 4. An inspiring session that's given me some ideas, thank you. Love that choir by the way, a fabulous sound.

[@parttroll1]

I really like it and the switch works. I need to get more of my tracks finished. Got a nice opening and interesting voiced chord that I came across on my guitar a Bb6(#11) that I’m going to work it around

[@ThinkSpaceEducation]

Go for it!

[@marekklucka4407]

Okay, so now we just need guide to sidechaining different kinds of effects. Great tutorial as ever, Guy. Thank you very much!

[@williedangerr7934]

I could picture this to be playing some dark scifi movie, in a club scene.

[@ThinkSpaceEducation]

:)

[@CosmicTeapot]

I pictured it as a "Prince of Persia" type of track. Picture a foreign oriental type of city with landscape shots during the opening sequence (first idea), and then, once the drum beat (second idea) comes in, you see the protagonist doing crazy parkour on the rooftops being chased after by bad guys. God, film scoring is fun.

[@VleiRatFilms]

And endlessly entertaining. Thank you Guy.

[@ThinkSpaceEducation]

My pleasure

[@VleiRatFilms]

@@ThinkSpaceEducation And .. enjoying your courses very much .. even if at my age I'm a bit slow .. They are so well thought out and presented. The perfect way to get over the trauma of my piano teacher hitting me on the knuckles with a ruler!

[@krass76]

fantastic. thank you very much Guy!

[@matthewashton9472]

reminds me of John Powell's 'Marauder's arrive' from Solo a Star Wars story

[@ThinkSpaceEducation]

Great compliment thank you

[@matthewashton9472]

Yes well I love that choral sound ! Would love more videos on how to use the choral sound effectively (like what choral sound to use and when to bring it in etc)

[@lexihenny6589]

Very informative video! Also I'm glad to learn about another Ben Osterhouse instrument...

[@joegrint6280]

Thanks Guy - really interesting!

[@pjdahmen]

Thank you for the great tutorial

[@wulfenii64]

This was an awesome example to follow Guy. Thanks so much for this.

[@ThinkSpaceEducation]

youre welcome

[@petersvan7880]

Awesome video, and thank you once again Guy for putting a smile on my face :)

[@whoanma]

I discovered you so late. Have a new student here. Thank u !

[@_placeholder]

Youre the master of inspiration Guy, keep it up.

[@soundpulse5693]

I have a lot of these 3o sec ideas waiting for me on Cubase. Time to pick one up and finish it.

[@TheValueOfN]

Do it! Focus on your best idea until it's a finished piece.

[@oscarlundin3842]

I was listening to the first idea and thought: ooh a nice groove and some heavy dirt guitrs on this! A minute later: thats exactly what I wanted! = love it

[@RudalPL]

Ohh my... this choir sound amazing!!

[@ThinkSpaceEducation]

it is rhodope 2 from strezhov

[@RudalPL]

@@ThinkSpaceEducation thanks Guy, found the link under the video ;)

[@Newi994]

This track is an absolute banger!

Guy, thanks to share this with us. I really like your work, it's helping me a lot.

[@ziwrenanldino6896]

Love it I do the same thing in my paintings I do abstract like Picasso style working with a lot layers and you did the same thing like your background it was the strings then the B idea and you put other different styles on other layers love it ..like the the Epic image

[@chas1085]

Another very good video! I would like to have seen how you came upon your B idea. You started with your A, said you didn't know where you were going to go with it, then all of the sudden B magically appeared. It would have been nice to see the process of how you got to your B idea (or even your A idea for that matter). The starting point, after all, is the idea. How to come up with ideas? It would be good to see you go through the process of arriving at your ideas. Thanks for all your videos! They're great!

[@samferrell229]

I got a bunch of spitfire sounds. You talked me into it. I have made a few score song. Hopefully I’ll be where you are one day.

[@Nayz13]

I love this video I’m so many ways, thankyou. Love the track!

[@robertshamansky1912]

Really enjoyable piece of music!

[@mellifluousfable]

Brilliant as always. When that drop kicked in I was fleetingly not sure but then within a second I absolutely loved it. My idea was to go into beat but I had imagined military snare a bass drum but playing a contemporary pattern. I was then going to keep the feel of the viola but using a Bagpipe drone with a solo vocal over the top. Having said all that, I think I would use my idea as a more emotional reprise of that main them somewhere else it the game/movie etc. Yours is the battle scene, mine is the aftermath? 😊 Thanks Guy.

[@hassaanbangash4294]

Thats a cool idea, I was imagining it to slow down after that too, to a sort of emotional section which then builds back into the beat but Guy really nailed it too

[@mellifluousfable]

@@hassaanbangash4294 Thanks. Yeah, he's brilliant. Always manages to pull something great out of the bag . On a plane, on the beach, straight out of the pool! It's really quite annoying; 😂👍

[@streliste8]

Nice one Guy, I love it and it actually reminded me of Daniel Pemberton soundtrack from King Arthur LOVE IT!

[@ThinkSpaceEducation]

Love Dan pemberton;s stuff

[@emilemerten6535]

I really liked the recap thingy at the end of the video please also do it your next videos

[@TheValueOfN]

I strongly agree.

[@ThinkSpaceEducation]

OK good point. we'll try to do that from now on

[@FalonRyan]

Guy, you're my favourite

[@markstudioproductions6669]

That was from the live video!!

[@shotsi673]

I’ve been doing the opposite ever since I got the Spitfire BBC orchestra download. Adding strings & especially horns, deep horns to add atmosphere and embellish the emotional content of the guitar, bass and drums genre. Anything’s possible as long as it sounds good.

[@leonardosales526]

oh man! masterpiece! i love it!

[@praveenm8059]

Thank you Guy!!!!!!! ❤️🔥

[@chonkypixel1006]

Careful when you're layering kicks. It's very easy to have the bass of both kicks interfere with each other, then you lose all the weight you wanted to add. You can filter the bass out of one kick, but you still run the risk of phasing issues in the lower mids, and you lose some character. Or you can zoom into the waveform itself and line things up sample by sample... (For anyone who's interested I can hunt down a tutorial I've seen which lays this technique out bare)

[@ThinkSpaceEducation]

Good points! I check by inverting the phase on the kicks to make sure they dont disappear

[@chonkypixel1006]

​@@ThinkSpaceEducation Inverting the phase helps discover some obvious issues, but for the perfectionist dance music producer competing against countless other dance music producers, it's not enough. You're working with both pitch and phase. If one or both are even a bit out you'll get phasing issues. And that will result in floppy kicks, which nobody wants. It requires fine-tuning and careful positioning... For the orchestral producer, it's normally not as much of an issue I guess.

[@maruko8324]

Man, I wanna know more about this. The inverting and stuff what was that mean?

[@chonkypixel1006]

@@maruko8324 Inverting the phase means basically turning the waveform upside down. If you do that and add it to itself, you get silence... The theory here is "interference" between waveforms. Interference can be destructive (as here where the result is silence) and or it can be reinforcing (so making something louder). So if you add a waveform to itself, it's twice as loud. I'm doing a terrible job of describing this. However, between "adding a waveform to itself" (double the level) and "adding a waveform to its inverse" (zero the level) is "adding two waveforms to each other", where some parts will reinforce and others will collapse in a destructive way. Bass frequencies are long, so it's very obvious when these effects occur.

[@chonkypixel1006]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWiolpyeisuBirs This tut has a section on building drums from scratch, including preventing phasing effects (or unwanted interference effects) by zooming in and getting filthy with sounds at a sample level.

[@chonkypixel1006]

I remember you making that! Couldn't tell you when though.

[@lespierce1565]

Guy getting funky on the bottom end yaw!!!

[@leejamesmusicandfilm]

Thank You!

[@youtubeuser2938]

Something you would hear from TSFH , great piece Guy !

[@omarlopezrincon]

Is there a previous video to this one ?

[@draugormr8957]

There's a good way to explain it. Listen to any song and clap in beat to it. You will find, provided you're not terrible at clapping, that in order for the clap to happen on the beat the movement of the hand will have to begin before the beat.

[@ryevick]

Love that Guy. I thought it was bagpipes at first. Do you know a good bagpipes library?

[@ThinkSpaceEducation]

No not really. Last time I did bagpipes I made my own with a live piper

[@MartinJG100]

Sorry I'm late, Guy. Lavishing external woodwork with lashings of linseed oil paint. Interesting. I would maybe phase the Bulgarian girly choir in the Spaceman acid house section and stick in a bunch of hairy sounding Orffs for a bit of ritualistic contrast. Just my useless penny's worth. PS - I like the 'audio' bounce hot tip. Makes sense.

[@Cat-hw1vh]

Excellent!!

[@steverose3860]

is it just me but does anyone else hear this tune starting on the anacrusis i.e. beat one is the second note? Sounds backwards to me when the percussion comes in .

[@BlueSamMusic]

Yes. The voices are behind the beat. I would put them on the beat.

[@dezkightz]

I’m gonna figure out how to do that whacky guitar thing. It sounds super edgy and I love it.

[@gkgyver]

I find the key to developing an idea is repetition and variation. It takes a lot of guts I find to get over the fear that you might be repetitive, which leads to you changing stuff every 5 seconds, which leads to a cluttered piece.

[@ThinkSpaceEducation]

Very true

[@blacksoul1]

love you man!

[@wrex509]

This makes me want to go play Crusader Kings III. The sound fits right in and the name you gave it is appropriate for the game too!

[@mahdipakpour7817]

Thank you.

[@jonathanpittock1447]

I presume if you were using external modules rather than vsti, instead of being able to bounce the tracks to audio all in one go you'd have to solo each track and record the modules output into separate audio tracks in the DAW? Just want to make sure there isn't a faster better way. A great informative video. Thanks.

[@fgirault]

So amazed to see you in beatmaking action !!!! Thumbs up ! Ok I'll buy your stuff. Shut up and take my money.

[@ThinkSpaceEducation]

Happily! :)

[@dapperchapmusic5336]

Mixolydian b6 is such a lovely mode

[@Meat-Puppet]

Who bought the native instruments Audio Imperia bundle? Just did and I'm yet to try everything out

[@ArtimusClyde55]

Thank you for sharing this. I've been waiting for a Nucleus discount.

[@matismerilain8235]

Really nice channel! Keep up the good work! What stutter editor do you use?

[@thewrenchreviews9986]

Really do like the Hurdy Gurdy like construction at the start...an excellent launchpad to the rest of it.

[@xencage]

I could see this morphing into an arrangement of Zep's Kashmir.

[@mykkelotteh]

Guy!!!! 💕