Deviant Ollam | The Four Types of Locks | SOURCE Conference Boston 2010

[@Alan_Hans__]

Deviant Ollam is my new favourite speaker. Amazingly knowledgeable and very passionate.

[@antonaahus752]

Same here, been binging his talks/vids for the last few days. :)

[@PWRFLROE]

Deviant, you claimed that you had your email address in every video and I can’t find it and I am at my last wits end!!! I don’t or maybe I should let the world know just how I’ve received no Protection from over 28 calls to every one in the hierarchy, I was a first responder with the first victim on 9/11 and got the one they are going only now acknowledging which was the effect on your cholesterol and congestive heart failure and has a fitness freak since none of my family live long and a bodybuilder so that I may be the first of that new gene pool started to get robbed and a lot of people back away when you die and they put a stent in that I checked three times the only thing I have a feared was an angiogram, and I did it three times because something was wrong and it closed and it killed me and it destroyed my life could not until 3 1/2 years ago when I lost more than 1/3 of my bodyweight 46 pounds in one month is still a bodybuilder 5 foot six and in between 98 and 102 pounds was ignored to the point where I had to put my house up with L because they wanted to kill me and take it over in the new millennial‘s in this neighborhood no one noticed your thing and they still down I went from an 875 credit score to the crapper and I’m sick and I can’t even take care of myself every time I leave after returning to hit my home and I want more and revenge I want my things back and you think of what else I’m thinking of for the torture of over 50 times I have been violated in every way as a woman stripped of my money my jewelry my feminine items even my end don’t laugh but even my true so true sir my suits my shoes you name is in every corner of my life and a four family house that has no one in it but me this is insane and I can’t security at all they break right through it three seconds even Took a $9000 insurance payment while the locksmith was here and I wasted $5000 because I looked at black picking but I never looked at black installation stupidly in panic I couldn’t not an ADD personality doesn’t work and I don’t know where to find you but I do need help bad enough I’ve had enough I need a big God to take your life if you value yourself and I want my things back yeah like the in the Show, The Equalizer, And so many others that I can’t remember because I’m too upset and there is nothing and no no one to help and I am pissed angry pissed range and powerlessness and ineffectivity. I really do need help. Please answer me!!! RosalieMB

[@davidboden5486]

@@PWRFLROE his email is [e-mail]

[@TheMinecraftACMan]

He's got a youtube channel too.

[@pkchong79]

Pop B. I'm mm

[@therugburnz]

At construction sites, they cut the lock off and replace it. The security guy only checks to see if it is there and locked. Most of the time he doesn't have a key anyway, for "security reasons". Next week a backhoe disappears. The tracks go through a locked gate.

[@smunoz1592]

7

[@drewren1231]

I picked a wafer lock on a file cabinet with a pair of office scissors. The tool used to pick the lock was kept 5 feet away.

[@thegardenofeatin5965]

My father has ruined my academic life because he reads shit and then tells it to me wrong, out of order or transposed, but I seem to recall something out of Richard Feynman's biography that they kept their work at Los Alamos in "secure" filing cabinets that he unlocked by flipping the cabinet upside down. I went to flight school and learned a thing or two about gravity, I can tell you that gravity is a spring, you can bend it into some weird shapes.

[@thermobollocks]

Same, except I used a paper clip

[@minkotter9115]

What an amazing talk.... two thumbs up and I am ten years late

[@Athinira]

Great talk, although a bit old by now. The "unpickable" locks he talks about have all been picked by now. Although no easy task. The picking of the Evva MCS is on youtube, but it took 20 minutes. The Abloy Protec2 does have a half-electronic version which is easier to pick (due to the electronic part making the lock smaller), but you also need to defeat the electronic part of it, which has not, to my knowledge, been done on a door (it does have a different weakness if it's in a drawer or similar where you can just bang the lock out with a hammer and a tool). Then there's the new Bowley Locks. The normal version for doors has been picked, but the double version for their model 543 padlock hasn't. Impossible to pick without highly specialized tools - would be proud to have them on my doors.

[@PointsPrecision]

I forgot how new the Bowley was and was expecting to see it on the list.

[@jfwfreo]

Has the Gerda Titan been picked yet? Or the newest version of the Forever Lock?

[@leechowning2712]

Ah, but LPL is not really fair. I can tell this is an older video because Deviant has actually worked with LPL, and knows better than to say unpickable.

[@justinbrandt8415]

My job doesn't involve anything spoken about in this conference but watched till the end and found it very informative while being entertaining and funny at same time🤣🤣🤣

[@davidolee1]

Friend of mine once said locks are to keep honest people honest.

[@BRUTALLEGENDD]

I used to build the electronic boards for MOS-HAMILTON. I still sorta know the circuity and some of the FACTORY reset codes. I might be able to rack my memory and get into EVERY lock. However you will need a battery with a specific "somewhat" voltage to make it to operate that is added to the dial dynamo and super cap internal power supply. Thought it was neat for Deviant to mention this type of locks. Yes I have demoed at government places on a bet that I could get in the door or weapon locker with "NO TOOLS". Some are harder than others in the line, and some have 2 different batteries to be used to open. Hint, they are all solenoid based. Have fun :)

[@JC-11111]

LockPickingLawyer picked the MT5+ Apparently, he's pretty damn good at that stuff. I think he also picked the ASSA Desmo with 8 sliders and 2 sidebars and a bunch of other "pickproof" locks.

[@Athinira]

Talk is also 9 years old.

[@dylanwhitney3819]

@@Athinira locks dont expire

[@SkylerLinux]

@@dylanwhitney3819 He clearly said they do. 27:20

[@dylanwhitney3819]

@@SkylerLinux I think you got the wrong time stamp? Either way I was just making a joke.

[@ChristopherJohnston]

Just because Bosnian Bill or LockPickingLawyer can pick it doesn't mean most pickers can. Also only about 1% of burglaries are from picked locks, most are simply brute force attacks like kicking a door in, breaking a window and reaching through and unlocking the door, or crawling through a dog door.

[@williamforbes6919]

I really want to build some custom locks and see what his opinion of them is. There are some very basic modifications that should make picking them complete and total hell.

[@JasperJanssen]

Make challenge lock, send it to bosnianbill.

[@AdMan-The-LabRat]

SiFu Ollam, "We" want to hear the story about the "European Safe Opening Weekend" Please & Thank you! Stay Motivated!

[@samiraperi467]

Live in Finland, get Abloy padlocks for around a tenner. It's probably easier to go around the lock than pick it.

[@aritakalo8011]

Those are probably Abloy Classic. Design literally from 1920's (which is more praise on good design, than a derision. from 1920's and still better than many more modern pin tumbler lock designs). Like they still sell the even the original padlock body model with brass body and everything with the original logo on the side. Model 3020 to those wanting to know. It looks old, because darn that is one of the original models. Still in commercial sale. The classic cylinder is also available in other lock bodies and so on, but the 3020 is kinda what it is known for due to the distinctive old design. Classic cylinder is pickable. However as inherent to disc locks, it ain't easy even with zero extra adds. Or well it is easy to skilled person. But it takes one of the disc manipulators (was on one talk slide) and person who knows what they are doing. The inherent point is since disc tumblers don't rely on springs and linear motion lock surfaces, so they can't be bumped. No small time criminal is going to go picking that, since bumping is usually about what they try. It takes a specifically machined tool and not just a bent piece of wire to pick it. Not something one gets from local hardware store shelf. One has to make it or go shopping online for lock picking tools. As said the person is going to bust through a window, try to rip the door of hinge or punch through weak point in wall nearby, Whole Abloy line has been 100 years of adding extra bits and pieces to the original disc lock design. Making Protec II to the "as of yet unpicked" category. Funny thing is most of Finnish homes as rule have the latest or second latest generation Abloy design as door lock. So what is super high security for specialty locations in some places is in Finland "your home door lock".

[@ipodhty]

Some abloy locks are bad, they have at least some that can be easily bipased

[@jerrellhelms8378]

As a firefighter I found that no padlock was a match for a fire axe.

[@atomicrhino7182]

Probably because people with good locks have good everything else including good brains.

[@iain3713]

Jerrell Helms ss100?

[@elonmusk8711]

Any good high security pad lock would break your axe head long before it did any damage to the lock. Many high security padlocks use hardened steel and/or ceramic components and are capable of resisting angle grinders with multiple spare batteries and blades... I'd literally pay you to see your fire axe break a Sargent & Greenleaf 833. You might have missed the first part of the video where it was clarified that master locks are not high security pad locks...............

[@sketchyAnalogies]

Dev made a good presentation for the emergency response peps. Look it up, its very good

[@garychap8384]

As a novice sports picker I love spool pins... get to the 'false set' by lifting the regular pins out of the way and then they start _'waving at you'_ when they're ready. 4 spools in a 5-pin lock is just so easy to pick. I really hate any master-keyed set as they rake or scrub in zero time and just fall open when you look at them sideways. I was using Avocet ABRs on my home but now I've had a proper chance to play with them using the right tools they're really not that secure at all : ( A friend of mine is dropping off some novel magnetic locks (I forget the manufacturer) which are apparently entirely sealed - you cannot get to the pins from the keyway at all. They're supposedly unbroken in practical terms... so that'll be fun. Besides, good luck getting a photo of a magnetic bitting : ) It may be time to upgrade my home locks.

[@AlbertLebel]

Great info. Thanks for sharing. I really like your explanation of low to high security locks and where they are best used.

[@adam-k]

As for locks go I always by locks that are rated LPL40 and above. If the LockPickingLawyer spends more than 40 seconds on it, than will protect against anything a 3 letter agency can throw at it.

[@edisonmoreland4339]

Adam Koncz what if they send the LockPickungLawyer?

[@adam-k]

@@edisonmoreland4339 Then your lock doesn't matter anyway.

[@davvigtu]

Quick list of what those four types are at 33:45.

[@thespiritof76..]

So who’s gonna make some carbon fiber lock picks?

[@america-san]

As a layman, I hated using the electronic dial.

[@Skylarr]

It sounds like someone is shaving throughout the whole video.

[@haizi7179]

Why would you say that? Now I will never not hear it

[@jonjohnson102]

Yea, fuck you

[@vid2ification]

Were you listening to it with apple earpods? Might just be your brain becoming applesauce from more radiation than your microwave

[@dyingearth]

Here's the list of high security products listed by Deviant Ollam: Abloy Protec EVVA MCS Mul-T-Lock MT5 Kaba Mas Hamilton

[@Joemenix]

And all have been picked

[@samwansitdabet6630]

Deviant mentioned some german people picked the MCS, but that it was an unviable attack in the real world

[@iain3713]

Sam Wansitdabet Huxley has picked the protec and lpl has picked the mt5

[@AnatoFIN]

Looking from Finland, American way sounds bit strange. In Finland Abloy's latest locks are used in cheapest rental homes. Locks are commonly changed in 20-30 years intervals. I wouldn't like to live in house where someone could get in, by simply pumping the lock.

[@HelloKittyFanMan.]

No, I haven't seen that stuff with my _own_ eyes, but thanks to the medical breakthrough of eye transplant surgery...!

[@jamcdonald120]

I wonder if you could make a magnetic lockpick...

[@Athinira]

You can, and they have been picked.

[@atomicrhino7182]

Once. theyve been picked once by almost complete chance and the lost one of the magnets inside the lock when they did it

[@jamcdonald120]

@@atomicrhino7182 ok then, electro magnetic pick, then you can just turn it off when removing it

[@ERROR-Musik474]

You forgot something. If you dont have jiglers you can take out a key removal Tool or something sharp at the end and beacouse some wafer locks can't come out from the locking mechanism beacouse there îs a wafer that is presse against the body of the lock(at least what i saw on my cabinet) you can retract the piece of metal that is pushed against the body and it just vameș ouț în your hand and you can acces the locking mechanism and hlcus pocus you are în for less...

[@jsihavealotofplaylists]

Mul T Lock MT 5, Evva, Abloy Protec, RKS Lock. I'm surprised nothing about the yuema from anyone but 2 channels.

[@SumeaBizarro]

Lockpicking lawyer here wait this is completely different.

[@blackwolfthedragonmaster]

Deviant does KZbin stuff with lockpickinglawyer now!

[@quartfeira]

4:11 thanks sweetie 😂

[@daviestj]

There's another brand of lock that probably belongs in your unpickable category. It's the Bowley lock, and they now have a padlock version.

[@mechalith2791]

Counterpoint: kzbin.info/www/bejne/opa0gmt5ndl6obM

[@Alexander-nz1dz]

@@mechalith2791 Indeed, any lock can be picked... I think a better term that could be used overall isn't "unpickable", maybe just exotic. The Bowley, the forever lock, and the EVVA MCS are all pickable, but they require a special set of skills that are particular to that lock and even with those skills they take awhile. .. just have to weigh how much trouble you want to throw at the intruder so that they either scurry off or just throw in the towel and resort to destructive entry.

[@Lazarus7000]

"A regular lock, but around two 90-degree corners" is admittedly clever but clearly not insurmountable. Don't get me wrong, it looks like good security, but it wouldn't make the KGB resort to angle grinders.

[@haiironezumi]

To be fair, this talk was given in 2010, so it's not unexpected for some of the specific info to be out of date.

[@JasperJanssen]

Lazarus Long 90 degree corners are not easy to get through with a pick. They almost certainly would make the kgb resort to angle grinders unless they *really* wanted non-destructive entry.

[@mattieskola7050]

I live In Finland and almost all locks that secure somethig remotely valuable Is secure Whit Abloy 😁

[@rahnmat]

Exactly this! I've got nothing but Abloy's Protec keys on my ring for the things that matter (home and office), for not so important things (i.e. my old socks in the gym locker) I have those Abloy's older models. I would not even consider any other arrangement ;D

[@NoTraceOfSense]

Zaphod Whiskers They can be picked. Just remember though that LockPickingLawyer isn't just anybody.

[@patrickgrimm9539]

what about 3 locks one on the knob 2 deadbolts one of the deadbolts cannot be unlocked from the outside because there is no key to that lock theres no plug for that second deadbolt what then?

[@patrickgrimm9539]

at least one person is always here not to mention its an apartment so neighbors would notice the sound of the door being kicked down...

[@clawabidingcitizen]

The plug essentially is the lock, so you just take a screwdriver or something and push the bolt over. Removing the plug doesn't permalock it or anything.

[@jamcdonald120]

What about the Bowley lock do you class that one unpickable?

[@Ghorda9]

it's been picked, just with an array of highly specialised tools.

[@jamcdonald120]

@@Ghorda9 so has the mcs, and I bevelive the protek has as well

[@Ghorda9]

@@jamcdonald120 and MT5+

[@RoamingAdhocrat]

you're talking to 2010 Deviant Ollam - he can't hear you :/

[@likeasnowmonkeyinthenight1840]

If they catch you late at night trying to pick her locks/They're gonna send you home to Mother in a cardboard box

[@eriknansen3528]

No, I haven't seen that stuff with my own eyes, but thanks to the medical breakthrough of eye transplant surgery...!

[@charlesbetz9475]

Watch lockpicking lawyer then tell me about your pick resistance and high security locks

[@MuradBeybalaev]

How do you manage to fail mentioning lever locks when the title of your talk is "The Four Types of Locks"?

[@thatilluminati_3421]

They aren't very common in the US where he is based.

[@Si74l0rd]

You put your bit of coathanger in and twiddle. They're only really used as a secondary lock here in the UK. A Yale euro cylinder as the main lock and a level lock deadbolt. You can get a tool for lever locks from the same place as pin tumbler picks, they're simple by comparison and rarely used on commercial premises. He's talking to I.T types about server rack locks, or dividing door locks, or desk locks. Just stuff from their work environment.

[@JasperJanssen]

Murad Beybalaev because they haven’t been commercially made for security purposes for a century. Even for internal no-security door keys they haven’t been used since the seventies.

[@thegardenofeatin5965]

I've thought of a way to "attack" those unpickable locks. 1. Buy a tube of your favorite epoxy, preferably one that comes in the plunger style dispenser that can be fitted with one of those mixer nozzles. 2. Fill the keyway of that expensive, hyper-specialized lock with said epoxy. Preferably do this to as many locks in the building as you can. 3. Wait for them to get to the end of Robin Hood, Men In Tights. "Call a locksmith!" If you're just wanting to do some harm, well you're wasting that companies' money on replacing expensive locks. If you're a lucky piece of shit criminal... 4. Eventually they'll get tired of replacing the good stuff, install crap Kwiksets, and then you can pick your way in with a paperclip and a gum wrapper.

[@thegardenofeatin5965]

I may not be able to get in, but I can make it so that neither can YOU.

[@bugoobiga]

Bueler? Bueler? Bueler? Bowley? Bueler?

[@mountainpass4255]

The EVVA MCS has been picked, but if you're looking for a lock that will slows down an attack, this will do it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mWSVhpyBq5VnaKs

[@jamesk5364]

I have seen lock picking lawyer pick the mt5 locks

[@shakerson]

Not in 2017 you didn't.

[@shakerson]

Sorry, I mean 2010.

[@HelloKittyFanMan.]

Obviously some people _do_ want what's in our homes, or we wouldn't have burglaries.

[@justins8802]

Hello Kitty Lover Man! - i guess it was hyperbole, but I think his point was few care about covert entry when looking to burglarize your house. They can just break a window, kick a door down, or, like a coworker of mine had, just remove a section of exterior wall.

[@whatabouttheearth]

He is covert and corporate based. 😄 they are in no way going to ever do a forensic investigation on your homes door locks either....probably not even if someone is murdered, but they will for some higg security corporation like a bio tech corp or some national secirity related contractor.

[@atmsoa9222]

This reeks of 2010

[@blackwolfthedragonmaster]

Can't blame old stuff for being old. Henry Ford travelled on a horse 🐎 haha

[@BgRdMchne]

I can't see how a cheap disk detainer lock is more secure than a medico. I've never gotten into a medico lock and I don't know anyone personally who has, but with a cheap, $10 chinese tool, I've gotten into all sorts of disk detainer locks, even ones with false gates and ones that don't tension off the first disk.

[@timesthree5757]

Um I can tell him that the average street Criminal is not gong to worry about evidence and what will surprise people is that there's a chance that they will get away with it. I would rather harden against overt attacks than spend the money on covet.

[@P_RO_]

Street crooks know the system, and they know that there will be little to no investigation of an average house burglary. At best if somebody nearby saw them and knows who they are and comes over while the Cop is there (if they send one (which they normally don't around here) then there's some chance they'll be caught- but to what end? The chances of recovering your stuff are near zero after about a half hour; by then the buyer(s) are already arranging for it to be moved on. The odds of a druggie-crook getting away clean are probably like 80%+. The odds of a pro getting away clean are 98%+ The druggie doesn't give a crap about going to jail again. The pro will have a good lawyer and an alibi or story to cover their butt, so even if convicted it won't be much. Both will be back to doing the same thing again right after they're released from custody.

[@danceable]

the speak is great, too bad the sound is awful. :/

[@RoamingAdhocrat]

buzz buzz

[@rujuetatou3061]

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[@lukeandris2277]

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[@HelloKittyFanMan.]

Oops, there's no such thing as a "RAID array."

[@djcfrompt]

Redundant Array of Independent Disks...yep, no array here /s

[@HelloKittyFanMan.]

@@djcfrompt: As "RAID" already stands for "redundant array..." then to say "redundant array... array" doesn't make sense, hence there not being such a thing as one. Duh.

[@joshuarosen6242]

While I recognise the importance of physical security, physical security isn't as important as information security and the two are significantly different. Yes, if someone can get into your data centre in the middle of the night undetected, they can probably do almost anything they like with your data but doing so involves huge risks. If I catch someone in Russia trying to hack into my network I can block them, increase my monitoring etc. but I cannot punch them in the face and call the Police on them. Physical penetration involves risks and expenses (a Russian hacker would have to fly over to the UK apart from anything) that logical penetration does not.

[@tonywhenman7251]

Physical security is a subset of Information Security.

[@joshuarosen6242]

@@tonywhenman7251 Physical security covers other areas that have no bearing on information security such as protecting physical assets like cash.

[@110110pab]

@@joshuarosen6242 sorry Josh, but Physical security and information security work together, you can't have one without the other.

[@joshuarosen6242]

@@110110pab You can certainly have physical security without information security. I also made clear in my comment that physical security is important but you can have one without the other and in most circumstances, physical security is less important. I know the password for my password vault app but I have never written it down so I can maintain its security without any physical controls. Chinese hackers can attempt to hack into our servers at work but they certainly aren't going to come over from China to gain physical entry to our building and even if they did, we are mostly not relying on physical controls to prevent access to our data.

[@chemistrykrang8065]

@@joshuarosen6242 there's this thing that foreign hackers who want to break into your stuff can sometimes have... it's called "money" and it can be used to incentivise somebody who is in your country (or even in your organisation) to break in and plug stuff into your network/server.

[@HelloKittyFanMan.]

Actually, an ideal/perfect world is one that has NO locks.

[@BanditLeader]

So a communist world?

[@shittyfattits807]

You're dreaming.

[@HelloKittyFanMan.]

Haha, silly boy @@BanditLeader. No, a perfect world is one in which no one does anything wrong because they're simply not tempted to, which should obviously be why locks would be pointless in it.

[@HelloKittyFanMan.]

@@shittyfattits807: How do you figure?

[@BanditLeader]

@@HelloKittyFanMan. which would be a communist world. Because if you use a lock, you're getting your knees smashed in

[@eriknansen3528]

I've thought of a way to "attack" those unpickable locks. 1. Buy a tube of your favorite epoxy, preferably one that comes in the plunger style dispenser that can be fitted with one of those mixer nozzles. 2. Fill the keyway of that expensive, hyper-specialized lock with said epoxy. Preferably do this to as many locks in the building as you can. 3. Wait for them to get to the end of Robin Hood, Men In Tights. "Call a locksmith!" If you're just wanting to do some harm, well you're wasting that companies' money on replacing expensive locks. If you're a lucky piece of shit criminal... 4. Eventually they'll get tired of replacing the good stuff, install crap Kwiksets, and then you can pick your way in with a paperclip and a gum wrapper.

[@thorlancaster5641]

No you've just thought of a way to copy someone else's comment. Totally original.