Devil May Cry 5 is a REBOOT of DmC: Devil May Cry 2013

Believe it or not, Devil May Cry 5 is basically a reboot of DmC 2013. Nero is Donte, Nico is Kat, and V is Vergil. Your mind will be BLOWN after watching this 100% FACTUAL EARTH SHATTERING DOCUMENTARY! (BTW this isn't meant to be taken 100% serious just to shed light on an interesting perspective)
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[@Mecha_Neko]

I really like how the ending of DMC5 eases you into saying goodbye to Dante and Vergil. It doesn't feel like a farewell to them, but more of a "see you when I see you" kinda thing. Even Vergil himself says "we're still around" and promises Nero a round 2 at some point, so they're not really gone for good, but damn they got a great send-off.

[@umbasamufasa9676]

agree 100%. everyone is so hype about re4r while dmcv is madd underrated

[@sidneyk.8443]

Let's not forget about the fact that we might not have gotten the Faust hat if it wasn't for Ninja Theory saying Dante is a gay cowboy.

[@flashxd6040]

Dante is seen looking at pictures of half naked women in 4 and 5.

[@arturoenriquerodriguezvill7819]

@@flashxd6040 well a bisexual cowboy

[@flashxd6040]

@@arturoenriquerodriguezvill7819 I don't think he's bisexual either.

[@allancastellon9248]

@@flashxd6040 I do that would rule

[@flashxd6040]

@@allancastellon9248 It wouldn't change anything really

[@thatsmugbastard4929]

There's a quote from a DJ in the 2000s that said a thing I fully agree with: "Update the past that need to be updated, but stay true to the original past that doesn't need to be touched. And that's how you go about a classic."

[@Dres2000]

You know which dj?

[@thatsmugbastard4929]

@@Dres2000 I don't remember his name. But I remember him saying it after playing an exclusive first airing of the Noisia Remix of The Prodigy's "Smack my b**** up", because that was appearently a big deal. It was in 2012, I believe.

[@housemouseshorts]

Correct they took all the GOOD things in DmC 2013. and there WHERE good things. And put them in to dmc 5

[@theatheistbear3117]

@@housemouseshortsThey didn’t take the incredibly intuitive weapon switching that had the Angel/Demon weapons linked to the triggers, or the soundtrack, or the visual style (Limbo looked so awesome), and a lot of other things. DMC5 is still great, though.

[@thebiggeridiot]

okay so while i agree that they did take some elements from the reboot, a lot of what you said goes beyond simple liberties and goes into being outright factually incorrect about many elements. i will brake this down for you without going silly alright? while initially the appearance and new attidude of the reboot dante did piss people off, people were more annoyed that a reboot was happening overall since 4 wasn't received badly or sold poorly, it did really well and even left questions unanswered about nero and how he's a relative of the sparda bloodline you say they kept with the direction of dante in the reboot but they didn't? they changed his design so he wasn't so emaciated, changed the hair so it wouldn't be so flamboyant and toned it down, the face no longer resembled the dev and now resembles the voice actor, they changed the coat a few times afterwards and changed dante's attitude from a tortured angry man who has moments of loosing his mind to basically an angstier version of nero, so they didn't maintain there original direction. nero back in 4 was a punk, he didn't like authority much, the reboot didn't influence that on him really, the only influence of the reboot is changing nero's outfit making it more punk inspired with the shorter blue denim/leather jacket, short and spikey hair with combat boots and cargo pants. no, vergil was not manipulating people for his own ends in the reboot, based on the dialog at the end he genuinely thought they were all up him ruling the world as if he thought they already knew what they were signing up for. this is why this moment sucks because he spent years leading the order and only just now he realised 'wait, you guys didn't want me to rule the world? but i totally thought you guy's would feel that it was kino'. vergil didn't turn on anyone in the reboot, he GENINELY thought they'd be fine with his plan and was surprised when they didnt agreed with it. dante and kat were the ones who turned on vergil. V on the other hand did manipulat everyone and only turned on dante because dante is his target. V was manipulating everyone so he could reunite with Urizen so he could live since he was dying, so no similarities there since vergil in reboot wasn't manipulating them to begin with. V revealing secrets to nero about his past? no, the only things he told nero was of the relationship between dante and vergil and that urizen is vergil, that's not secrets to nero's past. him telling nero that this is the demon that took his arm isn't a secret of his past, nero already knew it was this demon that did it. nico's father didn't abuse her? there's nothing that stated that her father abused her, all he did was abandoned her and that's it. i have the art book and nothing about kat in that piece of art suggested she has an affinity for mechanics, sure she likes motorcycles but that's it? either that or she was a musician. the grease monkey idea is all nico. nico's design was based on a combo of grease monkey mechanic and sassy bad girls, nothing in the info out there suggests kat was the inspiration, kat's design is based on her being a wiccan, a punk and her shutting people out due to her trauma. kat never granted dante new combat abelites, the most she did was open gates and allowed dante to interact with key objects and....that's it. nico on the other hand made the player weapons which directly helps with combat throughout the entire game. again....the main problem wasn't 'it's not my dante or vergil' it's 'wait fuck off i don't want a reboot, it's not needed' plus the end of the sons of sparda arc doesn't meant no more dante and vergil, it means they no longer fight each other to the death over ideology, now their bonds are healed and now at most, they fight, with no intention of killing the other just as some friendly rivalry. all in all, yeah there are some things lifted like how music ramps up with the style rank, the slow mo combat finishers and the more grounded character designs and they made nero's design finally match his character by being inspired by reboot dante...but that's really it, your video is disliked for a reason and that's because you got so much wrong in it

[@Shadow-dv2yj]

Interesting

[@Moayad56]

OMG THANK YOU SO SO MUCH you said what what was in my mind but 10000 times better now i can happily delete my hate filled essay

[@Spd4356]

God damn dude, thats a very well made explaination. Well done

[@birdz3676]

still like DMC 2013 more

[@Need_RnR]

You must be *REALLLLLLYyyy* FUN at parties, aren't cha'? This is DMC... *Not a thesis paper* on why this guy, or anything else sucks: *colossal donkey balls...* Lol xD

[@brando_duurie]

A Ninja Theory programmer spoke about plans they had for the sequel, and I found it shocking for several reasons: - Dante choosing the angelic way more | as Nero has a more "angelic" demon form; - Dante being saved by his uncle | as Nero being saved by Dante; - Nature's life being drained by something | like the Tree in DMC5 - an "evolved" version of Vergil showing up while nature is being drained; he is considered a "mistery man" at the start and they discover his identity later | as DMC5 It looks, in general terms, A LOT similiar to what we got in DMC5, and I'm wondering if they actually used all of this for 5 or it is just a coincidence... To me, it is clear that Nero has a lot of connection to reboot's Dante. Both have an "angelic" form, Nero is the successor of dante's (reboot) design and Dante (reboot) has a lot of Nero's combo. Now I think even more DMC5 being a sequel to both series, original and (spiritually) reboot. Reddit comments were just: "This was so far the original series. Luckily we didn't get it 😢😭". Are they blinded or what?

[@umbasamufasa9676]

I know the OG DMC creator was a fan of the reboot so maybe he used those ideas in 5 for sure!

[@YouTubeCensors]

Makes perfect sense but you know these DMC fanboys are nuts. Guys writing posts 3-4 times larger than OPs to not give DmC any credit for how DMC5 turned out, even with the creator flat out stating he loved DmC

[@brando_duurie]

@@KZbinCensors I hate fanboys for this reason. They treat their favourite games as something so important that no one can make contructive critics or analysis about it. It's ironic, because this makes fanboys hardly the most expert people about their favourite games, movies etc Lol. Overall, I loved DmC's plot. It was simple, but it had clear development for their characters and you can actually see how they change through the game. Instead, DMC5's felt out of its nature. What it seriously lacked was that sense of continuity with the previous Vergil and that's because they fused DMC3's vergil with DmC's, and as a result we got a terrible and unnatural character who resemble Vegeta a lot more than the og Vergil. And that's because they didn't know how to insert him in this plot already created by Ninja Theory. And fanboys ignore it lol

[@brando_duurie]

@@beluuzz I still don't comprehend how someone can hate DmC today. I think that it is still the most stylish game speaking about animations and camera. And story, despite being simpler, was coherent and all characters had their development, while DMC5 was an overhall fail for character and storywise. Vergil was turned into a copy of Vegeta for stupid reasons and fans still don't complain about his stupidity respect to vergil of dmc3. What the f***

[@karielran]

​@@brando_duurieI hate DMC fanboys so much, they really think DMC5 is a full original game, but there's a lot of things in gameplay and in history that came from DmC. Hypocrites.

[@josephpena1723]

The fight with Vergil is very similar for both games. This take is cool.

[@umbasamufasa9676]

Thanks man, the both copy dmc3 as well but they gave vergil doppleganger in 5 just like reboot as well. Cheers!

[@Moayad56]

It's like they literally can't fuck up vergil

[@idoitforthememes6011]

I mean it is a copy paste from the Vergil fight in DMC 3 so I don't see how they could fuck it up

[@Traumglanz]

@@idoitforthememes6011 Nah, the plot about climbing a tower to stop the big bad Vergil, sure. The whole thing has really strong DMC3 vibes, while V acts as the human partner here instead of Arkham , which makes it imho narrativity weaker. But the fight itself? It's really much closer to DmC with some sprinkles of DMC3 and DMC4. Looks and feels like a harder version of DmC.

[@motivation_exceeded6611]

Vergil wasn’t motivated in DmC. So dmc 5 takes the spot 😂

[@wiseguy240Winston]

Well not till the Virgil's Downfall DLC at least.

[@BlazeBlueY3]

@@wiseguy240Winston he was motivated to kill donte

[@soulcyclone360]

Atleast DmC Vergil got his own story, levels and unique enemies. Mainline Vergil has been stuck with getting second hand campaigns since day one.

[@theatheistbear3117]

@@soulcyclone360And people say DmC didn’t do anything right.

[@joch3107]

​@@theatheistbear3117 weebs

[@shadowthehedgehog181]

"Capcom brought back all the fan favorites for DMC5" * looks for Lucia *

[@MrAnsatsuken]

She's in the DMC5 comics at least, I guess.

[@user-sd4le2tk1j]

I really want a DmC reboot sequel because the combat in that version is my favorite

[@umbasamufasa9676]

The definitive combat, yes. I love how intuitive the shoulders for angel and demon mode are and swapping weapons on the fly has never felt better!

[@soulcyclone360]

​@@umbasamufasa9676all we need is to bring back forward and back specials on the melee and style button and maybe three more of each weapon type and we'd have a grand ol time.

[@theatheistbear3117]

We should honestly get a proper DmC2 and have it be it’s own thing next to the mainline games. That way everyone is happy and we can combo more in style.

[@theysaidimasian9766]

Nero is edgy but he's a way better edgelord than donte, whos just basically a kid trying to be edgy

[@doncinati7644]

Booom there you go. Now you see why many cringe so hard at Donte. This a grown ass man acting like that Nero is basically 19 or 18 or maybe younger, acting like that, and it fits He’s just a angst angery boi who’s overly passionate, which kinda reflected in the way he screams when he does some of his moves and even in the animation of his moves AND his attitude is nowhere near shit

[@davidhalstead402]

I'm pretty sure Dante in the reboot is also meant to be around 18. Wouldn't surprise me if he was 17 seeing as he has to beat down a bouncer to get into a club. DMC Reboot actually functions very well as a prequel to DMC3 if you ignore the Eva was an Angel plot line and also puts into perspective how young reboot Dante actually is meant to be.

[@astrocyborg]

perfectly said

[@kylecain3002]

@@davidhalstead402 Haven't u played the game DMC he beat the bouncer cause there was a demon in there

[@_terrorbilly]

I really think you haven't even played the game, because DmC Dante is about as edgy as classic Dante (meaning that he isn't). This guy is just distrustful towards people and has a problem with authority because of how he was abused by demons as a kid. In DMC 4, Nero is just an asshole due to a bad temper, and in DMC 5 he's like that because of an inferiority complex he has due to events in DMC 4 and events in the sequel. You couldn't even explain to me why Nero's better aside from "I like him more" or "Donte's not Dante".

[@fidker]

I really want the DmC Sequel, i enjoyed the first one, while the characters might not be as great as the OG, the gameplay is fun and the world is interesting and felt different, and the ending left me wanting more, and see how this version of Dante evolve.

[@umbasamufasa9676]

I agree wholeheartedly, it would serve as the perfect prequel

[@Dirty_Nero_Main]

Compromise: crossover DLC in a future mainline sequel?

[@Traumglanz]

I always said it, and I will say it again DmC should have used Nero instead of Dante. And not reuse Mundus, but instead something more sinister.

[@simonbyous4615]

You’re almost there. DMCV is actually a reworked DmC 2. It starts off nearly identical to where DmC left off(Vergil half dead summoning demons.) and completes both Vergil’s redemptive arcs. I mean, all the story is is a fight tower. All they did was massage the story a bit to fit the OG DMC characters instead. Hell it even has the same SPARDA HOUSE from DmC.

[@umbasamufasa9676]

Ahhh i never played dmc2 because...reasons but thats cool know!

[@panos3320]

@@umbasamufasa9676 Nah he means its like a reworked sequel to DmC, not a DMC2 remake. It picks up from Vergils Downfall and continues from there, but implements it in the main series Story. I guess it's why they never adress where Vergil was all these years between DMC1 and 5. You have to kinda pick it up from the reboot. and make what you want from that.

[@xenowarrior282]

Ah yes...the Sparda house from DmC...you mean the same Sparda house that was shown in the dmc3 manga over a decade ago?

[@punishedwhispers1218]

2013 gets a needless amount of flak, no other game has such a great and unique art style and abstract combat environments that hits on those grungy elements, and the setting is honestly great. I don't think there will be no more games with Dante and Vergil though.

[@delayed_control]

Yes, let's completely forget DMC4 and say DMC5 rehashes ideas from DmC.

[@zffrailgun1630]

This is the biggest problem I noticed with his points. I think he doesn't see the fact that most of what he talked about is similar to DMC4 and back, and even some things that might be similar to DmC, DmC just "copied" them from DMC4, therefore it'd still be a similarity between DMC4.

[@sharavy6851]

@@zffrailgun1630 While his video isn't supposed to be taken seriously, Itsuno clearly took some inspiration from DmC. I'd say the biggest problem with classic DMC titles was no definitive art direction. Each game differed so much in its approach to visual style because they coudsn't figure out what would scream "style". I like DMC 4 a lot but it isn't all that stylish to me, looks more like a Final Fantasy game. The good thing about DmC is they took a more urban approach to its art design and boldly followed that direction till the end. It had its issues but a large portion of it inspired DMC5 and helped establish, what I like to concider, a definitive visual style for this series. Loud, bold and urban (epidemy of Western style). You can't also deny that they implemented some smaller elements from DmC either as a nod to that game's fanbase or simply because these elements genuinly enhanced the game's aesthetic.

[@theysaidimasian9766]

@@sharavy6851wdym, dmcs 1-3 stuck to the whole Gothic aesthetics throughout, dmc 4 still was Gothic but a more "modernized" tone, though having almost completely different biomes definitely gave a more "varied" feel to it, but all installments stuck to a specific art direction, 4 just took a bit more liberty to changing things up a bit, and dmc5 was different since we've stuck most of the time in a tree, but the times were outside, it still has a Gothic feel, tho you can barely tell, and tho the world can feel bland, it easily gets overshone by the characters with how they portray them, especially Dante, dmc3 was bleak as fuck but it still feels like a party every time dantes in a cutscene

[@sharavy6851]

@@theysaidimasian9766 I'd say the art direction in 4 is more clashing rather than varied. All we have is a bunch of monotonous locations not resembling one another and holding no integrity beyond being connected. You could say they wanted to take the approach of having each area have its own theme unlike previously but the line up they presented us with was very unimpressive. Also, this is the game that change approaches to architecture. Unlike the other 3's Gothic direction, they decided to mainly go with Roman style instead. The whole city of Fortuna has a distinct Roman flair from its building and roads to the chapel. That was what I had in mind when I said DMC team had no clear vision and that they kept changing directions. The only time you see Gothic architecture in the game is when you encounter the snowy castle in mission 3/4 (and when you come back as Dante), which, I'll admit I really enjoy the visuals of.

[@astrocyborg]

i doubt he played that gem it kinda shows

[@kingvamp888]

The fact is that I played DMC: Devil May Cry first and I really loved it tho 😭❤

[@obsidian1798]

dmc has the best action and gameplay but why people hate it?? cuz the gameplay and stry are completely different

[@westhawk7259]

@@obsidian1798simply it got rid of the characters and game fans liked.

[@DemosKratos]

i hope we'll see DmC 2 in the future some day i was in love that game back in the time and still.

[@naryanr]

The reaction to *_DmC_* back in 2013 was the most embarrassed I've ever been to call myself a gamer. I couldn't believe what a pathetic bunch of little squibs I was surrounded by. *_DmC_* was a fantastic game, the depth of which wasn't fully appreciated until just a few years ago.

[@umbasamufasa9676]

We often fear change. Its natural. Its my favorite combat system maybe. Tied with 3? Its just so good...(definitive edition)

[@naryanr]

​@@umbasamufasa9676 This is mostly from a post I wrote a few weeks back: I wasn't that into *_DMC1_* (or *_DMC2_* obviously), but I liked every game after that. They all had their negatives though, with the negatives of *_DmC_* being some the most stupid and wasteful I've ever seen in my life. • *_DMC1_* was pretty good, but I played it after DMC3, so it just seemed to me dated in many ways. I liked the art direction, but not the level designs. The combat wasn't deep enough for me. It was very unforgiving in the worst way, the way that just wastes your time. It was over 20 years ago though. • *_DMC2_* just didn't have good combat, that was the killer, but far from the only problem. We all know why that game failed, at least, we know well enough. • *_DMC3_* will always be the most fondly-remembered entry for two reasons: a) It came after the game that came before. It was a massively welcome surprise in attitude and combat. b) It had a fully-fleshed out and meaningful story, which makes it the ONLY game in the series ever to be truly well-rounded. ( *_DmC_* did better than most, but objectively still not very good in regards to story. ) • *_DMC4_* took the combat of *_DMC3_* to another level, with a seemingly infinite skill ceiling and player expression. It was the first game to really show the world how insane a combat system can really be. It also had a pretty good story, but every player noticed being asked to play through everything backwards again with Dante. They ran out of money, and you could feel it. Levels were frequently copy/paste, or lazy, or terrible, or incredibly frustrating. It had mazes, it had magic portals which just reshuffled the rooms, it had giant board games with spinning dice, it had enemies which appeared under you and sent you back, it had giant statue bosses that you got lost navigating. I have a love/hate relationship with that game. It drives me crazy. • *_DmC_* was great. So fresh and new, so modern, OK story, different more accessible combat. New and interesting characters, fantastically colourful and vibrant world compared to DMC4's completely static one. But then... red... and blue... enemies... I just... I thought it was like a temporary disability for one part of one level. But no... another level later and I was so angry I almost uninstalled right then and there. I just couldn't believe how STUPID they could be to implement something like this. One of the stupidest things I've ever seen in a AAA game. In a game people ONLY PLAY to make COMBOS, you cut the player off from ALMOST ALL OF HIS WEAPONS? I literally could hardly believe it. Then when CAPCOM fixed all those problems in the _Definitive Edition_ , then refused to bring it to PC, ignoring all their PC fans and making nonsensical excuses as to why, I just gave up and will probably never play it again. • *_DMC5_* was an interesting one, because firstly is has BY FAR the best combat system in any game ever. The weapons, the sheer number, how they work together, all the different modes and arms, V's familiars, the DSD mode, with *_DMC4_* I thought I'd seen it all, but I would even go as far as to say *_DMC5_* combat is as big a leap again. Once again I'm left wondering how on earth anyone could ever do much better. I can't see how it could be better. But man... the story of *_DMC5_* ... what a complete bread sandwich. If you remove V's familiars, there is almost NOTHING of flavour there at all. I think that's why they messed with the chronology so much, to hide it. Here's DMC5's story: A weird new guy shows up. There's a big new demon. They all try go beat it. They fail. They mostly split up. Dante gets a new form, making everyone else useless. Dante beats the new demon. SURPRISE. V + Ergil = Vergil. Wow. But his tower is a tree. You beat Vergil, again and again and again. Vergil is Nero's father??? Yes, we know. We've known that for 13 years. Dante and Vergil both leave. The end. And what're you left with? Lady and Trish Never do anything. Nico just drives and smokes. No V. No Dante. No Vergil. No Urizen. No Kyrie. No Mundus. Nothing. In terms of relevance to the series, you could have just said, _“Dante and Vergil meet up and go to the underworld.”_ That single sentence would have got you as far as the entire game. And what's more that's probably the end, forever. It literally could hardly have been worse / more disappointing. A sad fart and shuffle out for our beloved characters. And to top it all off, CAPCOM refused to bring THIS _Definitive Edition_ to PC too, saying, _“the PC couldn't handle it”_ . I mean, _excuse_ me? Just how _stupid_ does he think we are? I feel like the good wholesome feeling from DMC3 will never return now. I feel like it's over. That final spit in the mouth right at the end there. A sour, sour taste after so long.

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

DmC at launch was horrible for Donte... His combat was outdated compared to DMC1. In definitive edition... They removed that outdated combat system... But it's not a great game in comparison to the original. Reboot Vergil is the only good thing in the reboot, but it's not even about his character. Just his combat system. The wrest is worthless. The story... Forgettable and wasted. The script... Jeez, the God of War trilogy does better. The combat... It's mid but nothing amazing. Granted, the floating nature of air travel into air attacks is as if an indie dev worked on it. It lacks polish. Characters?... A waste of time. When DMC2 had better content despite its flaws, compared to the Reboot. You know there's something wrong... Right, Capcom, since that company wanted "changes" despite Ninja Theory's original plan. A bit out of touch but such is the higher ups.

[@naryanr]

@@absolstoryoffiction6615 I'm just going to remind you that the critics and the users both rated *_DmC_* the highest in the series until *_DMC5_* just barely squeezed it out on Steam. The professional critics. And the players. That's basically everyone. They all loved it.

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

@@naryanr In Its own right... You're correct. But in competition at the time... There were better games and DmC wasn't that great before Definitive Edition. Once Definitive Edition was released. Most of the problems outside of the story was fixed. A solid game but the story/characters mocked the face of the original Devil May Cry franchise. If it wasn't DMC or if the reboot's story was written better, then it could be the best Devil May Cry of the modern time, second to DMC5. Unfortunately, whoever designed the story and script held the game back. Even for the Definitive Edition.

[@newgodv9624]

I definitely noticed that DMC5 is a spiritual successer to DmC lots of people did but I think this video definitely helps paint the picture for people who missed it

[@umbasamufasa9676]

Thanks for watching man, hope you enjoyed it!

[@Aquilenne]

It seemed more like a spiritual sequel to DMC3 to me. It seemed like it leaned much more heavily on the themes of family than DMC 1 where the familial theme was more in the background, 2 where it was nonexistent, 4 where it was only really touched on or DMC where the protagonist never even had a family until Vergil appeared, but very much in line with the spirit of 3 where the entire story was focused around Dante's familial connections right from the beginning. Gameplay wise, it's pretty much unmistakably much more like a sequel to 4 when it comes to Dante and Nero mechanics, V's monster controlling style probably does have some inspiration in another action game, but I'm not familiar with what it would be, his Devil Trigger does kind of resemble DMC DMC though with the white hair and powerful external effect rather than the other entries' method of powering up the player while it's active, and enemies take inspiration from all five other entries.

[@housemouseshorts]

People still deny it though.They are copeing

[@TheKazuma410P]

@@housemouseshorts They may be coping but at least they're not malding like you.

[@0_0RavenSkull0_0]

im currently working my way through the whole series (including DmC reboot) and so far im loving the reboot

[@umbasamufasa9676]

Right? I think the shoulder button combat and traversal integration is pretty damn good! Especially Definitive Edition

[@theswig2339]

I played the reboot a few months back for the first time doing a series playthrough like you. Has some flaws, but that game was overhated and I loved it’s artstyle so much. The story was actually interesting and I feel like some of it’s lore like the idea of Nephilim coudl still work or angels being a pivotol role to canon DMC.

[@jurtheorc8117]

@@theswig2339 If you're up for a character action game with Nephilim playing a central role, the Darksiders series has you covered. Focus on Nephilim mainly becomes a thing from Darksiders 2 onwards and they're not full-on character action games (as in, there's other gameplay aspects such as Zelda-like dungeons and puzzles), but the combat is a solid part of it. Late 2022 had the release of a game by name of Soulstice that *is* more in line with a lot of character action games. The devs have stated a few times they'd like to become like a European PlatinumGames and have taken examples and inspiration from a number of different games in the genre (as well as some manga), while still on the road to carving out an own identity. DMC: DmC has been an inspiration on Soulstice's combat as well. There is a color coding system too, but all of the seven weapons total are viable against any enemy. You just need to cast a forcefield of either red or blue color that moves alongide the player character, and there's controller remapping options to make it easier. Outside of that, there's dial combos as i believe they're called: All weapons have a combo string of generally about five hits. If you go Sword - Sword - Warhammer - Bladed Whip - Punch Daggers, you'll get the warhammer's third hit of its own combo string, the whip's fourth hit of its combo string, etc. Plus, there's a thing where you can end a pause combo string with a special finisher, depending on what weapon you finish the string with and if your Special Meter is filled up. There's a lot more. Drags on a bit and there's some annoying enemy types, but generally Soulstice is a very solid game in the genre.

[@TheKazuma410P]

Considering most people don't really open descriptions, it was really hard from the video alone to get that this wasn't 100% serious.

[@TheKazuma410P]

@housemouseshorts I said nothing like that. DmC stil sux tho lawl

[@Gamesnvibes]

found it hilarious how everyone thought nero in the dmc5 trailer reveal was dante from the reboot then when they showed his sword getting revved up everyone was happy as hell hahah love dmc5

[@everrunic8375]

This is actually a good analogy. I’ve also thought both games had big connections. Some people just joins the hate train, in the process never giving the game a try and have an objective and original opinion. Same with dmc 2.

[@davidjones1666]

I gave both a try, dmc 2 still sucks, combat is slower you can kill with just gun needing no combos. The reboot is good if it wasn't a dmc game

[@shawziiz5031]

Oh no not DMC2. This one deserve all the hate. DmC is controversial due to the game try to reboot the story, BUT the gameplay was good, still feel like an actual DMC game. DMC2 on the other hand just trash to begin with. Still remember the very first time I play and I was like wtf is this slow ass game? This is not DMC game at all. The only way I can see DMC2 get redemption if Capcom decided to remake the game with actual DMC style

[@JeyvaSa]

@@davidjones1666 in reboot combat is boring, too easy..... i hate demon and angelic weapons

[@onepoundswallowtwopoundcoc3115]

@@JeyvaSaplus the combos are generally just there to look cool, but are not actually effective at all. Rebellion takes care of the enemies better and faster then the scythe or hammer. Not to mention they feel like they are just slower rebellion, and faster rebellion. When rebellion is literally better than both, which is why I think they color coded enemies to begin with. The weapons didn’t have enough utility to be likely to be used as was. So they ham fisted a reason to use them more that sucked.

[@YouCann0tSeeMe]

Everything Ends Dante Even us. -Vergil

[@DrDavidNguyenDC]

Agree with your insight in the similarities of dmc’s devil may cry’s dante and nero, and nero being a reincarnation of dmc dante

[@umbasamufasa9676]

Finally a comment that doesnt want to see me dead lol

[@antoineharmon2254]

4:30 bro did you have a stroke?

[@amandabritney8849]

"...what you fear would come like an explosion its like a whisper and what you thought was the end is the beginning... " you got me there... amazing video! wholesome content im a DmC hardcore fan ♥ so sad we will never had any new content from the "not Dante" Dante...

[@umbasamufasa9676]

I did steal it from a twilight zone episode...but don't tell anyone! Lol

[@iTacolot]

Same! I feel hardstuck fans put too much against it and thinks it’s trying to replace the OGVDante ( Change isn’t bad for a series that’s this long and has the chance to die or beat it with a stick, Dante in DMC legit wasn’t even try hard edgy he just was and it fit, and it’s another universe, a spin-off. No need to hate in it so bad )

[@asherc2809]

Donte just kind of struck me as an asshole.

[@magita1991]

There are some similarities between both games. I think Nero was always a rebel type but I found Nero endearing. I can’t remember his name but the director of 5 over saw the reboot so obviously he took some of the best elements for 5.

[@VoNhatHuy]

Holy shit bro, the quality is clean and neat. Points were clearly demonstrated with visual aids. You have my respect sir

[@umbasamufasa9676]

Cheers! Thanks so much for watching and your feedback! I hope to keep the quality high for all my videos!

[@g-coalitionbrother1729]

Long story short: if you want to apply a set of modernizing ideas to an established franchise, use them to lovingly continue the story, not to recklessly discard it. That alone can be the difference between ROCK HARD SUCCESS and abject failure.

[@TheJadedJames]

I'm one of those people who liked DmC Devil May Cry, and I still kind of feel like this is a stretch even though it is clear Itsuno doesn't loathe DmC 2013 the way he hates DMC2, which is why you see some creative influence spilling into DMC5 as he's not just dismissing that game's existence

[@TonyRedgrave-of9od]

It's just the end of the sons of sparda saga. I do agree with you except for Capcom having Nero for a next installment, people care about Dante a lot more. I wouldn't have a problem with spinoffs though. Dante is Devil May Cry

[@sonofsparda80]

100% true.

[@gabszz]

Is kinda funny that This bullshit about the end of the sons of the sparda saga was never even said by anyone in the DMC5 development team or the director hideaki itsuno, i even search that statement and never saw this bullshit said by anyone that worked in DMC5 development. This bullshit is made up by jornalists and people that like the shit reboot and talk shit about the original series, Saying that the reboot is superior, is clear that is not, the reboot fucked the whole narrative and lore about the legendary dark night sparda being a legendary warrior and his legendary twin sons with opposite personality and different motivations in life.

[@TonyRedgrave-of9od]

@@gabszz The devs didn't say it was the end of the sons of sparda saga, but it did get marketed that way by Capcom. The journalists only spread word that the publishers and devs allow it to be spread that way via permission. The leaks did say it sooner, now the reviews say it too, even if you play it a couple of times you'd know it had given closure to all the characters and the series. Not a lot of people are experts in understanding the series, but hopefully few people do. Look, every video game has its pros and cons - DMC5 has superior combat and abilities compared to the reboot, the reboot has superior level design and platforming compared to DMC5. Both of their plots age like cheese, let's be honest but the reboot has more simple storytelling if you don't see it as a DMC game, DMC5 on the other hand is a sequel that really needs the previous installments to be fully understood, chronologically (the recap alone is useless and anyone who thinks it's helpful is a casual). As for Sparda, I know that DmC fans (fans of the reboot) wanted to be part of the large crowd and make up nonsense about him in hell with Dante and Vergil, they're still in denial that the original has nothing to do with the reboot - it just got retconned thanks to DMC4 and DMC2 switching places but it didn't ruin the story entirely. Now the reboot may have some influence under DMC5 gameplay wise and easter egg wise, but, it didn't ruin 5's plot. I said "I wouldn't have a problem with spinoffs though." That's still up to Capcom if they want to since DMC5 was Itsuno's final DMC game and judging from the gaming industry always changing and moving towards the Soulslikes, it might not happen. - they do seem more eager on franchises like Resident Evil and Monster Hunter along with their new IP, Pragmata. I did get irritated by people mixing OG Sparda with reboot Sparda, they either don't know what they're saying or they're just causing an uproar in the fanbase.

[@gabszz]

@@TonyRedgrave-of9od i don't think it gave closure to the characters, specially because Dante pretty much had his development in DMC3 gaining his sense of responsability because of lady and her father fight. going to DMC1 sealing mundus again and making his revenge about his mother death. pretty much dante went full circle on DMC3 to DMC1 in development, in DMC4 he is more like a teacher and master to the young Nero. In DMC5 he still the master and more experience one in comparison to Nero. But he find it out vergil was still alive after DMC1 story. Dante and vergil fought, and because of nero their deadly rivalry ended. And they fight like friends and like a sport thing, dante and vergil become real family in the end of DMC5 that why Dante went with vergil this time, unlike the DMC3 ending were vergil went alone to the underworld. But there is still so much more to discover. Who is Nero mother? What really happend to sparda? In the first game it said by the narrator that sparda vanished and died, by the anime two demons who fought on sparda side said that sparda went to the demon world and nobody saw him again. Another thing is, the lore of the whole franshise was kinda changed in DMC5 nico files. It was new information there about sparda lore, he having one sword that represent his full power, that he divided into 3 parts becoming new 3 swords, rebellion, yamato, and the devil sword sparda. And in the DMC5 dante fused the rebellion and the sparda sword once more, but there is still one more Yamato. And in DMC1 mundus was not fully recovery yet against Dante that was only using the sparda sword. In DMC1 mundus still had a big whole in his chest probaly because of sparda, and There is a comic book about DMC1 i don't remember the title but shows mundus his chest fully regenerated and even nelo angelo talking in DMC1. They changing the lore and making sparda full power being the main swords as one make pretty much mundus in DMC1 not in his prime, since he was still hurt by the fight with sparda and was sealed for thousand of years being recently free. Capcom could make a DMC6 using all this, showing Nero mother, and reveling what happened to sparda, making mundus come back since he was still injured in DMC1 and sealed once again. And fusing the 3 main swords to finally taking down mundus on his full prime.

[@TonyRedgrave-of9od]

@@gabszz Sparda didn't vanish, he passed away and his family made a proper burial for him months before Mundus sent demons to attack the twins and Eva. Why is it even necessary to know who Nero's mother is? In DMC4: Deadly Fortune, it was revealed that she was a human prostitute and her name was Ashleigh and left Nero to another family. Vergil had an important role to Nero than Ashleigh did. That DMC1 comic book got cancelled because the people that worked on it were being paid less, and that was the publisher's fault. I've heard couple of times about Dante's development ended with DMC1-DMC3 but even his mentor role still counts as a development, not to mention he's the face of the franchise, there's no way Nero could lead the series without Dante, he's OP yes but people like him because he's cool. He was handled poorly in both DMC2 and DMC4. Dante did have development in DMC5 when he absorbed his father's sword with the rebellion. I don't have any concerns with the yamato, it doesn't need to change - and that's fine. Dante went to the underworld with Vergil because he didn't want to go through the same depression he had experienced in DMC3, and this can help Dante come to terms with himself and teach Vergil how to embrace his humanity, just like his father, Sparda and his nephew, Nero. That's a perfect way to give closure to these characters because they deserve a happy ending. I think dragging Mundus (who is said to be dead along with Argosax in DMC5: Visions of V, the manga is still ongoing and like Deadly Fortune, it's retelling the game's plot in a deeper way) is useless because, he did say he would return but the spinoff manga said he got killed by Dante, this man isn't legendary for show, he had to finish his leftovers. I know, the world in the series has potential for more but it's fine to end it this way, DMC5 is a retcon and fanservice to end the DmC fiasco that had angered many fans. We all have different opinions because it's a single player game and people understand the series differently, it's understandable. I'm one of those who is happy with what we got and DMC5's story may not be better than DMC3's, it did focus on Dante, Vergil (or V) and Nero for a reason. I'm happy that Itsuno made the DMC game he always wanted to make and this being the canonical end to the series gave him the chance that he can do a better job in making a good game.

[@kmslyda4530]

before a new DMC entry to the story's continuation, they better focus on *Sparda* that's somethign that has to be done Sparda almost had a game on the vita but Capcom called it off 7 months in a few years ago I'm just saying, Sparda is the foundation of DMC lore we *need* a game to play as him offically and not using a sparda skin mod or dlc skin, we need the real thing and his story to be played because Sparda is the legend that we hear about but never get to see in action on his job, I'd love to play it

[@umbasamufasa9676]

I really hope we get a sparda game! That would be incredible to get the origins of the rebellion and yamato

[@Aquilenne]

It seems unlikely to me that they'd make another DMC game anytime soon. 5 worked well, but the director has been giving the impression that he's interested in making a Dragon's Dogma sequel before another DMC game. Capcom could hand off the IP to another developer, but they've also given the impression that they wanted to be a lot more hesitant with outsourcing in more recent years, so that seems somewhat unlikely too.

[@e-madart9420]

The fact that Sparda's fate was never confirmed is still boggling me, where is he? what is he doing? Is he alive or dead? I need answers

[@prime7042]

@@Aquilenne it’s already confirmed that a new dmc is in the works

[@kabyochatterjee4587]

I loved dmc reboot😓..

[@lordderp6914]

Don't be embarrassed or ashamed that you like something just don't be as extreme as the g.c.b.a or as we all know as the goku can beat anybody dude and no im not calling you that im just try to show a example

[@camerons_falling]

Same here bruh 😥

[@lordderp6914]

@Darth Nutsack I mean I can think of a few but let's not start that I've been called idiot [blank] fanboy enough to last a lifetime

[@gregorytang7225]

Damn that intro about Kat and Nico was eye opening. They just changed the accent and Class Job for the everygirl sidekick archetype in dmc. 😨😨

[@antelasic1950]

Yes, only the job and accent. Absolutely nothing else, like you know, the whole personality and character. Kat doesn't even give you the power ups, she sends you to a place for a completely different reason and you just happen to find the weapons there. By this logic you could compare any character who gives power ups to the main character. I mean wow I never realized Nice was just the weapons shop owner from Skyrim.

[@iTacolot]

@@antelasic1950 not really. Their point is that the format of the character was heavily and poorly recycled. It’s their series, so Dark Souls comparison has nothing to do with it since it’s its own game and series from DMC ( because in life every thing is sort of mimicked ). Cap com for this series, could’ve made it a loss less obvious for true and new fans to see this recycled garbage ( don’t get me wrong, love both games. Just word of choice ) , and they only just made her very outspoken in comparison to Kat.

[@antelasic1950]

@@iTacolot How is it recycled? The characters act completely differently, their purpose in the story is different, the design isn't even that similar. In what way is she just more outspoken? You can't write down the different personality to "she's just more outspoken". By the same logic Dante's personality is just like Vergil's if he was more outspoken. Kat is very serious, she only there to send Dante to a new place, her whole story is treated like some drama that needs to be taken seriously. Nico is serious about as often as Kyrie is onscreen in 5, she has a more confident and brash personality (which has a nice twist when she turns into a Dante fangirl), she makes weapons for others and that's the extent of her story (her backstory is mentioned like twice isn't trying to be some big serious plot point. Nico is obviously fine with what happened in the past and doesn't let that influence her.), and just because there's one scene where Kat drives a car is nowhere close to the screen time and attention the van and Nico's driving get's in 5. But yes, other than that, there is no difference. None whatsoever.

[@Aripuni1]

@@antelasic1950 i like kat, she cant fight but can support with everything she can, but clearly i dont like Kyrie, see just damsel in distress and do nothing, she doesn't even have enough screen time to show more personality

[@PandemoniumPirateRadio]

I hate how Dante has just become more and more of a joke. DMC 2 was a shoddy game, but that Dante was visually a MUCH cooler and Iconic character than the ones that followed. Mysterious, quiet, badass design and demeanor. Fit for a DEMON who isn't really human.

[@CrusaderofLight1]

Would be so awesome if DMC was from another earth. DMC Multiverse would be great to see some different versions of Dante and Vergil.

[@umbasamufasa9676]

I would love to see that crossover!

[@abriellediantan8335]

Now imagine Nero and DmC Dante

[@ghostofthesun89]

I've been looking for such a video ever since I played DMCV in 2019, but you've provided more parallels than I had thought of. Thanks for the awesome insight, cheers to all who enjoy the best of both worlds!

[@RajThakur-on3nk]

nero seems more stylish than reboot dante

[@mula8470]

DMC4 came before DmC, so some points get kinda invalidated right from the start lol. Other than that, enjoyable video man.

[@umbasamufasa9676]

I may have taken SOME liberties with it...thanks for watching!

[@Thethewho]

Also Kat = Cat, Nico = Neko = Cat in japanese

[@umbasamufasa9676]

Mind Blown!!!!

[@BeggyBeggBegg]

I liked the video!! I don't entirely agree but loved the vid, and can see your points. With Nero though, he had that problem with authority and cocky personality in Devil May Cry 4 itself, they didn't need to look to the Reboot to craft him that way. Also V is a much more mysterious and detached of a character to Nero, than Vergil is to Reboot Dante. I love the similarities you found though. At its core the reboot is still the more generic entry with blander gameplay, pretty unmemorable dialogue/interactions, and just doesn't have a much creative energy in it. Vergil being who he was also spoiled it for so many people, I don't blame them.

[@housemouseshorts]

You don't agree with WHAT? he showed parts of it frame by frame and you're still denying cope harder

[@Bob-ge8qd]

I disagree, but respect your opinion

[@umbasamufasa9676]

thanks for the civil disagreement, the video is probably 50/50 meme vs serious. hope you enjoyed the video!

[@reid0128]

@@umbasamufasa9676 I did

[@TrivatorGaming]

I think the reason people were so mad when DmC was announced was for similar reasons for people being unstable towards Ghost Busters 2016, because it was viewed as a reboot rather than a spin-off it made the fans feel like that was going to replace the main series and that was going Devil May Cry from now on until DMC 5 came out and actually felt like a spiritual reboot of the franchise satisfying both old and new fans.

[@dragonlash]

To be honest I don't see the similarities between V and DmC Vergil... while they do serve similar roles, not only is V only trying to simply, you know, survive, due to the yamato separating him from Vergil, but he also shows a lot more character than DmC Vergil in my opinion... He never set out for power and openly says that he regrets his past actions... in the end he only rejoins Urizen in order to live... in a way, fix his mistakes

[@EvilXero359]

Does this mean that Capcom might entertain the notion of exploring the concept of Vergil's downfall? Just their version of it?

[@user-sd4le2tk1j]

Do you mean the reboot version

[@EvilXero359]

@@user-sd4le2tk1j Reboot, Ninja Theory version however one calls it

[@kogashinto2123]

This is some quality content right here. Can we push this channel to 1k subs?

[@umbasamufasa9676]

Thanks for the support! Hoping to get another one out soon!

[@Ragiroth]

I never thought of the Kat and Nico thing. That's interesting. I also think they took the color scheme for DmC Vergil, and applied it at least a bit to DMC5 Vergil. Also I don't think Vergil ever did that "Portal Cut" thing till DmC, which he used a couple times in DMC5. Also I sincerely hope they don't ditch Dante and Vergil. I mean they're not dead, and working together now. And they're in Hell where I'm sure really crazy shit can happen. Nero being the lead I can understand though.

[@user-dx8sw8uu8o]

Yeah, "Dante and Vergil VS Mundus rematch", when Capcom?

[@Ragiroth]

@@user-dx8sw8uu8o Yeah seriously! This would be a HUGE missed opportunity

[@doncinati7644]

Vergil Portal Cuts at the middle of the Arkham battle at DMC 3 though, during a cutscene

[@Ragiroth]

@@doncinati7644 Ooo I forgot about that or didnt notice

[@doncinati7644]

@@Ragiroth it’s all good :)

[@lonelyoni8978]

Abandonment and abuse are two separate things

[@Sercil00]

These ARE superficial similarities, quite a few of which aren't even really there. Nero standing up to Vergil has nothing to do with having a "problem with authority", and that by itself wouldn't be a problem anyway. Especially since Nero is a separate character, so it doesn't mean Dante is being turned unrecognizable. Nor does he have Donte's most obnoxious traits. Nice observation about Kat, but... who ever complained about Kat, her outfit or her driving a car? If anything, people complained that she's bland and generic. It's not a dealbreaker to end the existing canon if there's an emotionally satisfying conclusion. After DMC4, there were lots of loose ends, and reboots usually axe a canon for good. DMC5 tied them all up and respected its roots, rather than ridiculing them and insulting the fans along the way. Story and characters aside, the GAMEPLAY is a major aspect above all else. Fans wanted fighting mechanics with so much depth, you can easily spend hundreds of hours mastering them, to make mind-boggling combo-videos. This was never Ninja Theory's forte, but it's the major selling point of Devil May Cry. If DMC:DMC had DMC5's combat, much would have been forgiven.

[@DemonDethchase]

For all its said about DMC5 Nero being DmC Dante's doppleganger, I always thought he seemed more like Drew from the canceled Scalebound, which isn't surprising given that he was pretty much like a Nero anyway. What with his Dev-I mean Dragon Bringer and it was to be made by a bunch of ex-Capcom guys in Platinum Games. Plus there's also ex-NJPW/AEW wrestler Cody Rhodes as another possible inspiration for Nero. preview.redd.it/ygsyt32ox8311.png?auto=webp&s=522588e429ac1a0d9f7923ac36e3b9baa501fc7a pbs.twimg.com/media/DlKcuxkXcAIciMk.jpg

[@zffrailgun1630]

You're making some interesting points, but I'm afraid that your arguments are standing on wrong assumptions to begin with, which is what invalidates them. Many of the things that you compare, you have to oversimplify in order to make them fit together. For example, when you mention that Kat and Nico are both "human companions", which is ridiculous since there's no way they could be anything else other than humans to begin with, along with the fact that we've had human companions before (there are also more examples in the "similarities" you mentioned like this one). You're also getting stuff wrong with backstories and then fitting them together. For example Kat was "abused" by her father and so was Nico, according to you, but fail to see that that's tying in DMC4 and DMC5 since Agnus is Nico's father, and he was obsessed with his research more than anything (also he never abused Nico). And finally you're trying to make connections where there are none, like Dino denying authority and so does Nero at the end of DMC5. Nero doesn't deny anything at the end, he is overwhelmed by the fact that his supposed father abandoned him and his mother and now suddenly shows up in front of him, and he's pretty pissed. Here's the ways DmC influenced DMC. Camera became free instead of fixed, Style got an announcer, final kill has a slowdown. That's pretty much all it did. You also showed the environment changing in DmC and the floor breaking in DMC5 to assume similarity, when it's nowhere close the same thing and it also happens ONCE in DMC5, and you did the same with Urizen's beam attack and Bob's attack. That's ridiculous. Was there no laser attack before DmC? (There was, Nefasturris) . If you read this, I hope you won't take it as an "attack" or something, because this isn't what it's meant to be. It's just me pointing out that you're drawing false equivalents where there are no similarities, either due to completely different meanings, your oversimplifications, or failing to take into consideration the similarities between DMC5 and all previous DMC series along with what DmC borrowed from the rest of the series.

[@abiscaravaggio2466]

The strategy to reach new players worked for some. Old fans got some points, and so do you, loved the video.

[@umbasamufasa9676]

Thanks for the feedback!

[@overlordswapi594]

Controversial but true, and as someone who actually likes DmC i can see the similarities a lot

[@Dres2000]

The intro comparison is perfect! Lol

[@neovssmith19]

Good video how do you feel about the new special edition

[@umbasamufasa9676]

oddly enough, some features will only be available on console. Where pc will only get vergil as a playable character...just like DMC lol. but it looks good, i just wish we got some lady/trish dlc as it seemed to be set up at the end of DMCV that they were taking over the Devil May Cry shop with nero and nico out on the road with the demon killing food truck

[@ilovefighting348]

Bro just watched your video. and I cant believe you don't make more of theses. Great video, hope you come back one day.

[@umbasamufasa9676]

planning on it! thanks for the kind words!

[@RaulRodriguez-wr7jd]

Great video and all but where did you get that dmc letter font???

[@UrielFlame]

This just confirms that DmC would’ve been a great game if you just scrub away any references to Devil May Cry.

[@godzillazfriction]

Stfu about DmC being a great game if it was its own ip instead of devil may cry. It literally has a okayish storyline which wouldve been better originally from the TGS trailer.

[@insertname2429]

Btw v didn't turn against dante and nero because v is vergil's humanity while urizen is his demon side and in the end vergil didn't want to fight so much because he learned to embrase his humanity because v's memories

[@umbasamufasa9676]

I guess a more accurate statement would have been "resulted in a twist in which both games reenact the final fight of DMC3"

[@Aripuni1]

nice man, your channel is very underrated, give analysis for both series without bias, i like it

[@umbasamufasa9676]

Thanks man. Cheers!

[@liquidboss2719]

DmC is absolutely my favorite one, and I played them all in order. DmC > DMC > DMC4 > DMC2 (for Lucia) > DMC3 > DMC5

[@thonato295]

dmc2 higher than 3 and 5? goddamn what did you dislike bout those games 😳

[@liquidboss2719]

​@@thonato295 Let me preface by saying I think they're both good games. DMC 3: I thought the tower was really "samey." There wasn't too much of a change of scenery. Combined with all of the backtracking, it made it feel like a chore. I also thought that it had too much of a "Zelda boss" feeling for my taste (hit him in the x, then punish). While some of the bosses were fun, others were just a slog (centipede, Jester, Balrog). I also think it was tuned a tad difficult compared to the rest of the series. It also got rid of the good Air Raid. I thought the enemy selection was slightly flat. How many "guys with scythes" do you need? DMC 5: The story was just a massive letdown and didn't exactly make sense with the rest of the series (pierced by sword = superpowers). It was overstuffed for what it was. Playing as Vergil helps, because you can skip it. It relied too heavily on fan service, but somehow didn't include Lucia or Phantom. The way playing characters worked out left you with too little time to play each character, leaving me unsatisfied. Just when I'm in my groove, it's time to switch. Bosses were unmemorable or fan servicey. The tree was aesthetically ugly (the city was great, though). Vergil's return was such an ass pull after he died. Also, they took away Nero's good arm, which was like 50% of the fun of playing as him. Also, the enemies were just bland bugs or rehashed DMC1 enemies (mostly). Also, it was baby-easy, even on hard. On DMC2: I put DMC2 over it, because Lucia was extremely fun, it had a ton of cool bosses, had Air Raid (good edition), its own Sin DT, a badass final boss, didn't shove story in the way of gameplay, had great aesthetics in enemy design, and had 2 lengthy campaigns. I hope that makes sense.

[@OblivionsAbyss]

Disagree but if you want to think that go for it

[@Revolthell]

Hit the nail on the head, excellent video, I think both series can co-exist. The Reboot like an experimental testing grounds for lots of new ideas, with the best ones making it to the mainline series.

[@sleeperidiot]

Honestly, DmC is truly underrated. I played it not long ago, and it was fantastic. I hope one day, they'll make sequel to DmC

[@flying-ratte-studios870]

pretty pain to play, and plot/characters kinda suck

[@brandonmartin8628]

Cap

[@flying-ratte-studios870]

@@brandonmartin8628 i mean only can use 2 weapons per enemy? like what is the point of using ebony and ivory except for the first boss

[@igotaplan5888]

The problem about original fans is that they really can't understand the word "reboot"

[@umbasamufasa9676]

all good, as long as they rage 5 paragraph essays in my comment section, algorithm likey!

[@neogamest123logic2]

So you say.

[@ErkanMehmedali]

DMC5 has more loveable characters than DmC. DmC tone is bit more serious while DMC5 hept its comedic style like its previous games. DmC was not a bad game but it was also not what the fan were requesting for it. However, I am glad DmC was released ın 2013 and not DMC5 since the technology improved a lot in PS4 era and DMC5 was a fucking blast.

[@silvershadow9967]

In my opinion, DMC 2013 would have been great if it wasn’t a Devil May Cry game. Everyone had came to love the Devil hunters of the series and felt that everything they love was thrown aside, if it wasn’t given the title of a beloved series it would have gotten more people to love it.

[@edl4767]

But its still a better dmc game then 2 and 4. This series was a mess way before the reboot happened. They has no where to go with the story and dmc5 put the series to rest unless you really want Nero to get his own games which nobody should want that. DMC has nowhere to go now unless you guess it a reboot.

[@silvershadow9967]

@@edl4767 there are two things that the main franchise can do, make an origin game for Sparda since we know literally nothing about him except what we are told. Or make a game where Mundus returns to target Nero and Kyrie, which then Dante's son shows up to help Nero to stop him. (I say this because the last dialogue that Mundus and Dante have on Mallet Island.)

[@nothisispatrick5691]

@@edl4767 Literally most fans like Nero after 5, and there are plenty of stories to tell no he is the lead. Only reason DmC is ok at best is because Itsuno had to come over to ninja theory and literally hold their hand. Go back to shit Donte.

[@Aquilenne]

​@@edl4767 Better than 2, yes, it's gameplay is memed for good reason. Better than 4, I'd say not. Aside from 5 which straight copied it and then added on, DMC 4 probably has the most enjoyable player mechanics in the franchise, and had great choices when it came to art and colour use that made battlefields easy to process at a glance. I'd hands down replay 4 over 1 and while it might sound controversial, 3, any day. 5 is probably still better overall, the additions to player mechanics from 4 and better enemy variety probably make up for the less clear art style.

[@soulcyclone360]

I'll take DmC over most of the mainline games any day of the week for the stages alone. The fact that it feels like the levels themselves are fighting you every step of the way on top of the enemies is something no other game in the series has ever come close too.

[@xAnarchRadiostar]

Which OST did you use for the video? Its badass but I keep mixing the music

[@umbasamufasa9676]

I used both the DmC ost and the DMCV ost. The best track is likely "DMCV - Devil Trigger"

[@MUKESHKUMAR-gw9mi]

Dude i just finished dmc devil may cry like last month and I wanted to start dmc 5 am I supposed to play dmc 5 or is there any other part left after 4

[@umbasamufasa9676]

Nope. Ur good!

[@TheAnimatedGamer]

The jump cancel system from DmC is in DMC5 as well

[@umbasamufasa9676]

true!

[@ramcode8714]

Other than the fact that the creator himself said that this is a reboot in a way, where the story if it foes continue it will be on nero with no more dante support, I would say that you're pulling really thin comparison between these two games. You can legit say alot of these game borrowed from each other. It all connects. You can't really deny that it gives life to creative inspiration, but that's all it really is. Inspiration.

[@ESFDragxnFistEntertainment]

DmC: devil may cry had such a good soundtrack

[@biggore8338]

DMC 5 has good soundtrack as well

[@flori-9115]

He wasn't trying to make a comparison 😅

[@julians.5867]

@@flori-9115 I think he was just stating his opinion

[@julians.5867]

@@flori-9115 not a comparison lol

[@beward1238]

*Laughs in bury the light*

[@JD_and_Gaming]

I have some disagreements, but you still got some solid points

[@umbasamufasa9676]

Thanks for watching!

[@antelasic1950]

Ok, so I could write an essay on everything you got wrong (like how you only look at the characters surface traits, or how Nero acts the same way he does in 4 and if anything Dante in DmC was copying him (really poorly)) but I'll just focus on the main thing you seem to have left out of this comparison. DmC dumbed down the gameplay mechanics while 5 not only advanced them from the reboot but from 4 as well, making one the most mechanically complex games out there (You know, the main reason people play these games). I swear people who think fans don't like DmC because Dante doesn't have white hair should really look at two games more closely.

[@umbasamufasa9676]

I would watch that essay

[@SetoShadowVT]

The reason fans initially rejected the reboot is it wasn't time for one yet. We just had DMC 4 shortly before the reboot was even a thing. We just got introduced to Nero and we knew there was potential to his character. Nero not liking "Authority" like Donte isn't even a thing. He didn't like being called Deadweight by his mentor and uncle Dante. Another reason fans rejected DmC, we wanted closure to the original universe, Capcom was in a weird phase of hating certain franchises when Inafune left the company. DmC showed this in the literal sense, Resident Evil Operation Racoon City also showed this. Somewhere, Capcom found itself again, liking itself again. We can argue when Inafune left, Capcom became that angst Teenager angry the father of Mega Man left. Than we saw Capcom became the mature Adult, having game collections of its classic franchises to get back into the swing of things, gave us Mega Man 11 and than DMC5 and reigniting the relationship between itself and the fans once again

[@FIREDAN075]

You know Dmc have great ost, but jesus fuck, Dmc 2013 ost is blasting as fuck

[@umbasamufasa9676]

100% agree

[@theswig2339]

Honestly, I thought I was the only one who caught onto this only I felt like that DMC five took inspiration more on every single major game, including the reboot, rather than just reboot alone, but it definitely made a solid foundation for the fifth game.

[@logandelaharpe6362]

You understand they have sword that can cut reality and can come back when ever they feel like it and no way was anything just pushed back but was fixed

[@thonato295]

I'm actually glad that DmC wasn't getting a sequel, otherwise we would not have the absolute goat, dmc5 I kinda liked DmC (artstyle, gameplay, soundtrack wise) but damn does it have probably the edgiest story I had ever seen 💀

[@renaldoedwards1750]

Oh dear sparda u got so much wrong🤦🏾‍♂️

[@melkisedeck4548]

The problem with DMC reboot is not the change in Dante's archetype or gameplay. The main issue is that Dante in DMC 2013 behaves like a parody of the original Dante. He behaves like a teenager, always losing it. Dante in DMC 5 and 3 is usually a jerk with demons and foes, but he's never bitching about anything. Some ideas may be the same in DMC5, but the execution is way better.

[@umbasamufasa9676]

What if he was a petty jerk as a teen and slowly matured into propper dante though? You know like character growth? I like that idea personally

[@thechodeofhammurabi]

so basically your argument is that the story beats and character similarities make it the same game? well, yes but no. Yes in the same way that two different dishes have the same ingredients, but the difference in execution which would either make the culmination of similar ingredients to taste vastly different. What's bad about DmC Devil May Cry is the execution of concepts were poor. Dialog was bland and uninteresting, The characters were re imaginings of an already established character fans were already familiar with and not likeable enough for new fans to care about. Even Kat whom I personally forgot about since she's little more than another edgy plot device. DMC 5's characters you can tell apart by dialogue alone. Even the villain being Vergil was foreshadowed in ways perceptive fans can deduce before the big reveal. The biggest problem with DmC Devil May Cry is that it's a Devil May Cry game. If it had swapped titles and character names it would be an edgier dante's inferno. Not bad but also not good, just a game that some people would like and some wouldn't. Also, the focus of the games felt different fundamentally. While Devil May Cry focusses on style and flare DmC focussed a lot on plot. It felt like a completely different game wearing the skin of Devil may cry for money rather than making something with the same focus but also their own.

[@umbasamufasa9676]

I really appreciate your culinary metaphor and totally see its merits. Like I say in the description I was a bit tongue in cheek with this but totally see your point and appreci!te you taking time to share it!

[@thechodeofhammurabi]

@@umbasamufasa9676 Didn't expect you to be up so early. get some rest man it's Christmas! you got a long day ahead.

[@umbasamufasa9676]

@@thechodeofhammurabi im on the west coast and binge watching a muppet christmas carol, as is tradition. Merry Christmas friend! -Umbasa

[@diegomedina9637]

You can tell how much does people in the comment section knows about DMC in general. Dante isn't cool. He's just severely depressed all the time. He's quite literally just coping.

[@umbasamufasa9676]

and after this might grow somwhow to become DMC3 Dante...an underrated prequel at its worst...

[@mark45xxx83]

Another major difference between Nero and reboot Dante Nero is not as cynical. Nero just likes to act like a punk but he really does have a good heart when Virgil First shows up looking like a homeless zombie Nero's first thought is that maybe this guy needs help and something to eat and he offers him some food I think a reboot Dante would have just told him to f*** off which would be understandable LOL reboot Dante has one night stands with strippers / prostitutes Nero is completely devoted to one woman. People pick up on little things like this which makes Nero far more likable

[@umbasamufasa9676]

A good point indeed but he was pretty much a punk in DMC4 aside from gf

[@Vigilante8841]

I see a lot of people talking about how DmC took ideas from DMC4, but I'm not agreeing with them. Adding to the points you've made in your video, I'd like to say that DMC5 FEELS more like DmC from a gameplay standpoint as well. The level design has more in common with the reboot than the games released prior to 2013, and each level sees you in a different location every time, whereas DMC1-4 often saw you exploring the same section of the same place two or three levels in a row with just slight variation before you move on. The plot in DMC5 feels more like 2013, too, and not just in the ways you mentioned. Where previously, DMC was mostly a streamlined experience chronologically, with very few time skips between levels, 2013 introduced us to a plotline that unfolds over days, maybe even weeks, and DMC5's story spans a couple months (or at least A month, now I gotta play it again to remind myself) Anyway, that's my two cents

[@Magaso242]

I'm also a fan of the DMC game. I think it's great. Not perfect, but great. Loved this take on it. Good video dood.

[@umbasamufasa9676]

Thanks for the feedback!

[@thedarkgenious7967]

So, basically, they learned from their failures, cut the fat, and kept what was good from the reboot while going back to the original story everyone preferred. Yeah, this is exactly what everyone wanted. no wonder DmC V has been so beloved.

[@logandelaharpe6362]

When 90 percent of what you said was false

[@Kaes.R]

Don't forget as a tribute they make dante can wear reboot's ver coat

[@davidvelasquez5147]

The title is wrong, here's why. dmc5 is literally, and I mean literally, dmc4 repackaged. with the story of dmc3 added in, vergil as the main villain, cerberus boss battle, etc. This is dmc4 and dmc3 mixed. Takes absolutely no influence from ninja dmc. The combos are heavily borrowed from dmc4, with weapons that return from dmc 3. Even the sound track is very much DMC. Ninja theory dmc is literally its own thing. And if anything, that game tried to recreate dmc 4, with graphics and level design, but to top it off, ninja theory added a unique twist to its games atmosphere. However, the combat itself was more akin to ninjas previous titles. Ninja did not like dmc3, so they preferred to make a combo system that fell flat on release, they had to patch it.

[@lolzyking656]

well for one thing, it didn't have an angsty developer that made the MC look likethemselves...

[@yfw123]

While it says the chapter of Sons of Sparda has ended (quite similar to the way Kingdom Hearts is approaching), you have to realize that they did it once with DMC2 too, having the plot of Dante made his journey to the Demon's world, then they rebooted it with DMC4. I still look forward to playing as Dante and Vergil again in the sequel of DMC series in the future (may be not with DMC6, but eventually we will see them again some day)

[@ShadedOne]

I also noticed that dmc1-4 are all fixed camera angles. The 2013dmc and dmc5 are similar in that they don't use fixed camera in levels or gameplay. So you can transition from both games much easier, than earlier games. It's like if you were to play re4 to re5, they'd feel similar. But if you were to play re4/re5 then go to code Veronica or re1 remake it would feel hard to transition back, as those games take a different approach.

[@Lockehart1289]

Personally I like DMC. I like the concepts of the demons being mundane things used on humans to keep them sedated and docile. It was abit more interesting than just a demon. Like the symbolism of demonizing stuff you come across everyday like the media feels like it has more thought put into it. Oh well. As someone who's played very little vanilla devil may cry I don't have a dog in this fight so to speak. All I can really say is, I like DMC.

[@umbasamufasa9676]

Its a lot like the movie "they live" in that way whichbi really enjoyed as well!

[@Shad0wj3ster567]

Don't. I don't even need to watch this video to tell you no. Just no

[@wolf-vh4ze]

yes, you're right EXCEPT, people crying about the reboot DID "save" the series because if they didn't you'd be stuck with the continuation of the truly awful writing of the reboot, not to mention not a single really likable character.

[@umbasamufasa9676]

I think dante matured by the end to be less brazen than he was at the begginning and willing to accept more responsability. Give him a few years and he may have become someone similar to dantes awakenings version of dante...

[@wolf-vh4ze]

​@@umbasamufasa9676 HMMAYBE, unless the rebootverse went through a serious tone change I can't really see Donte developing into anything like Dante. tho, I feel even if the writing was less "Shakespearean", I feel the reboot would've been met with a lukewarm reception at best, seeing how nobody wanted anything to change, people were happy with what DMC was. Personally, I think a reboot was doomed to fail regardless of the writing and tone. If too different, people wouldn't consider it "proper" Devil may cry, if too similar, they would've said that the reboot did nothing new and was pointless, truly a lose-lose situation, that I don't think had any chance working in any timeline. Also to touch on the comparisons you drew between Donte and Nero in 5 ama have to disagree on some of it. character design-wise I agree, I do also think Nero took some inspiration from the design of Donte. however the idea that Nero was "westernized" I disagree with, despite the entire game looking less anime and more realistic I don't think they change much of anything, and his DT is the most anime shit I've ever seen! as for the actual CHARACTER of Nero, he didn't "get" all those traits after the reboot, HE HAD THEM IN DMC 4! i don't know if that was what you were trying to imply but he sure as hell didn't get them from Donte. Nero always had an "edge" attitude, he swore a lot in 4, just like he does in 5 (tho he does swear more in 5), and he always had problems with authority, that's like one of the main highlights of the first cutscene after you beat Dante in the tutorial! (And he had snatch in DMC 4, and he used it for platforming, so you can't really say that THAT was an influence from DmC either) basically what I'm saying is that Donte is Nero taken to a distasteful extreme. But I do think that all the other points you brought up in the video are very valid and make sense! good video man!

[@wolf-vh4ze]

@@ThisMusician586 we're probably getting it anyway so we'd have it earlier yes

[@kyletom2851]

I thought I was trippin when I first played. Thank you someone who agrees. DmC 2013 is very underated.

[@umbasamufasa9676]

For real. Esp definitive

[@PrimeofPerfection]

If this video isn't meant to be taken seriously, why aren't those who are reacting positively not being called out as well for embracing this blantantly wrong read?

[@olivierbufole1291]

There’s some similarities that I noticed the reboot seemed to give to the og series not sure if all are deliberate. >Vergil 4se aerial rave animation is like reboot Vergil. In 3se, and 4 Dante dark slayer style AR was 2 quick draws. Not 3 sword swings like in the reboot. >4se and 5se Vergil have angel lift which is the ability for Vergil to teleport to an enemy he embedded a summoned sword into. That was originally from reboot Vergil >Nero like reboot Dante has short spiky hair and dirty clothes while having a face modeled after a real person. I don’t think capcom wanted to imitate reboot Dante. >levels are more dynamic instead of being mainly static. >doppelgänger for Vergil was definitely a reboot callback. >enemy intros cutscenes with name reveal and slow motion outros were first seen in the reboot >this isn’t intentional but the both dmc5 and the reboot have levels that aren’t interconnected unlike 3 and 4.