Guns in CS:GO aren't as accurate as you might think

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DevinDTV

DevinDTV

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@civi554
@civi554 9 жыл бұрын
I feel like i'm cheating on 3kliksphilip.
@joefonicello
@joefonicello 9 жыл бұрын
hahahahaha same man
@harrypote5710
@harrypote5710 8 жыл бұрын
never forget the fart master
@jjwise12345
@jjwise12345 2 жыл бұрын
Got linked here by a reddit post about first shot accuracy. As I was pulling up the video I literally said aloud "this is gonna be 3kliksphilip isn't it" LOL
@Chipplez
@Chipplez 9 жыл бұрын
It always really pissed me off at how inaccurate scout is. Its a fucking sniper, but it's inaccurate at long range...
@Slayback16
@Slayback16 9 жыл бұрын
+360nosoap Yes but it's really cheap so it needs to be slightly inaccurate at long range to balance the weapon
@Chipplez
@Chipplez 9 жыл бұрын
Slayback16 Using luck-based mechanics to balance a sniper is really questionable
@Slayback16
@Slayback16 9 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't really consider inaccuracy a luck based mechanic. Every weapon in cs go is inaccurate to some degree over long range. Spraying would be a luck based mechanic.
@Chipplez
@Chipplez 9 жыл бұрын
Slayback16 eh, i see what you mean, but I still think scout should be more accurate since barely any use at close range, and it's fairly unreliable at long range.
@Slayback16
@Slayback16 9 жыл бұрын
If valve ever increase the long range accuracy of the scout they might have to reduce the damage over range as well. Either that or increase the price, but the scout is still a great weapon as it is. I know people who got to global using scout and pistol only.
@bikemesi
@bikemesi 9 жыл бұрын
devinkliksphilip
@TheEmalZa
@TheEmalZa 9 жыл бұрын
True story
@EnterTheRobinRealm
@EnterTheRobinRealm 9 жыл бұрын
+heck mesi devinliksphillip ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@EnEmerson
@EnEmerson 9 жыл бұрын
+heck mesi 3kliksdevin*
@plate4204
@plate4204 9 жыл бұрын
This randomness cannot be a good game mechanic. The first shot accuracy of most weapons need an upgrade to make skill more consistent.
@Cuddlesmanking
@Cuddlesmanking 9 жыл бұрын
+Plateau_ scream would be too op
@Jurez1313
@Jurez1313 9 жыл бұрын
+Plateau_ This is why I will always prefer arena-based shooters to "tactical", competitive shooters. Just sucks that there are no arena-shooters right now with the popularity of CS, TF or CoD. I hope UT changes this, but I'm not *too* hopeful.
@v000000000000v
@v000000000000v 9 жыл бұрын
+ShadowPoster99 i wish quake was more popular
@IjustAteOmg
@IjustAteOmg 9 жыл бұрын
+Plateau_ yes and skill is definitely already a part of the game... if you increase the accuracy more than it is then there won't be a point in the actual game... you need the random factor in it, even calculating that inaccuracy is a skill by itself.
@Jurez1313
@Jurez1313 9 жыл бұрын
+v0000000000000000v Same. I actually stopped playing Quake Live because almost no one was playing the playlists that I enjoyed (Duel and Clan Arena). Might pick it back up now that I've decided to stop playing GO, but that UT Beta is enticing as well.
@Tw1s7
@Tw1s7 9 жыл бұрын
Give this man a job at Valve so he can fix shit, m8!
@DragonActual
@DragonActual 9 жыл бұрын
Gaben: uh sounds like you are going to make the game too easy gtfo NEXT
@Indrawanrizky
@Indrawanrizky 9 жыл бұрын
+Tw1s7Gaming this all are part of game dude,so just enjoy it
@chinarep1
@chinarep1 9 жыл бұрын
+indrawanrizky alif Yeah, just enjoy the fact that if you're watching cat from mid with an AK and you aim perfectly at your enemy's head, there's about a 21% chance that you'll miss the shot and he'll instantly kill you with a headshot even though you both aimed equally well and you reacted faster. Again, there's over a 1 in 5 chance that will happen. #skillbasedgameofpoker
@fluidxd5476
@fluidxd5476 8 жыл бұрын
+David Livermore LOL, perfectly said.
@ts47920535
@ts47920535 7 жыл бұрын
Well, in the same way that people don't like realistic driving in video games (an 'arcade-y' feel is preferred), making the weapon 100% accurate will take some of the 'fun' from it. There is a reason there is only a really small portion of gamers play CPMA (playmorepromode.org) or competitive tf2. I play both, and I prefer when the player with the better movement and accuracy wins, but that is not friendly to the general public.
@ImmaSquid
@ImmaSquid 9 жыл бұрын
"For the farther target I needed to be close enough to get enough hits and misses in each trial for my coefficient of variation to sufficiently low for statistical significants checks against my later empiracle testing of the formula" .......Right.
@davidethanj11
@davidethanj11 9 жыл бұрын
+ImmaSquidlng thats /r/iamverysmart material
@MisterShakeZilla
@MisterShakeZilla 9 жыл бұрын
+ImmaSquidlng You cant even spell the words right.
@ImmaSquid
@ImmaSquid 9 жыл бұрын
Peter Apostle I believe you but which ones specifically?
@MisterShakeZilla
@MisterShakeZilla 9 жыл бұрын
+ImmaSquidlng significance and empirical, both important terms in statistics. His sentence makes sense but definitely could be worded better.
@ImmaSquid
@ImmaSquid 9 жыл бұрын
Peter Apostle Thank you for the correction :D
@flashyyy
@flashyyy 5 жыл бұрын
3:36 this aged damn well
@diegue
@diegue 3 жыл бұрын
So true
@dirtyspriteisgood1857
@dirtyspriteisgood1857 9 жыл бұрын
and this is a skill based game.......with rng?
@Whoarofl
@Whoarofl 9 жыл бұрын
+Spriteyy b back bby A skill based game doesn't have to be 100% skill 0% luck. Both competitors experience a degree randomness, while preforming a wide range of skill. (Not just aiming) In any competition, one trial cannot properly determine which is "better," and the more random elements are involved, the more trials are needed to determine which is "better," hence best of 30 rounds in CS:GO comp. Even Poker, a game with a much higher degree of random elements, has players who more often succeed than others over a long period of time. One or two hands of poker will never determine a players skill, but 4,000-10,000 hands of poker can better determine said skill. (Yes, Poker is considered a game of skill, overall)
@dirtyspriteisgood1857
@dirtyspriteisgood1857 9 жыл бұрын
Great point. but fuck man all the work i put into my technique gets overcome by some RETARDED SHIT HAPPENING. I LOVE RNG
@fluidxd5476
@fluidxd5476 8 жыл бұрын
+Chargi o yeah but cs go is not meant to be luck based in any Manor. If you are aiming at somebody's head perfectly it should never miss, EVER.
@HENJINxtra
@HENJINxtra 8 жыл бұрын
That's still RNG. The bullet is RANDOMLY GENERATED to hit within a radius.
@RedLakamora
@RedLakamora 7 жыл бұрын
I can accept that but imagine yourself the 1v1 at the 29th round and someone perfectly lines his AK as a HS but misses it because of RNG but his opponent does the same but gets the kill. That's unfair ! we're in a competitive game, snipers already have the advantage to OS and have a scope.
@zyzzbrah7022
@zyzzbrah7022 9 жыл бұрын
2:50 "For the farther target I needed to be close enough to get enough hits and misses in each trial for my coefficient of variation to be sufficiently low for statistical significance checks against my later empirical testing of the formula." Okay.
@dallasdominguez2224
@dallasdominguez2224 2 жыл бұрын
youre a legend. Im doing an essay on RNG for my engineering probability class and I mentioned you and your findings from this video. Thank you for your research!
@G3ner0
@G3ner0 9 жыл бұрын
tapping in this so game is unreliable with the ak, learning to burst with it is essential-
@loofhax
@loofhax 9 жыл бұрын
+GeneroEdits scream says otherwise :^)
@rafagebicki5209
@rafagebicki5209 9 жыл бұрын
+Loof Even ScreaM sprays more than he used to :v
@danielb6737
@danielb6737 9 жыл бұрын
+Loof scream has a high (kills with HS)/(kills with and without HS) , which doesn't mean he doesnt miss any shots.
@WilliamTravisIto
@WilliamTravisIto 9 жыл бұрын
+Rafał Gębicki After the spread and the ADAD movement update he had to completely change his playstyle. Back then in 2014 you could see him hitting his 1 taps with fluid ADAD movements and that was the way he played but it's not possible now.
@rafagebicki5209
@rafagebicki5209 9 жыл бұрын
IK... im a active player (with year break) and pro match viewer since beta :P
@Definitely_Someone
@Definitely_Someone 2 жыл бұрын
In 2022 this still seems valid, i was wondering why most of the times i cant land hs when im perfectly standing still and the crosshair dead on the enemy head. Thankfully i found your video and my suspicions were correct. This is ridiculous from valve and cant believe this is not being taken seriously.
@EvsEntps
@EvsEntps 2 жыл бұрын
It's deliberate because Valve aren't interested in rewarding aim-excellence but rather want an unpredictable spectacle. They've tailored the RNG to prevent consistency while still giving enough accuracy to convince the player to come back and play the slot machine some more. Another reason is that it's a cheap way to solve the problem of highly experienced players learning maps so well that they can pre-aim any angle and perfectly insta-headshot enemies as they come around the corner. Valve's approach is essentially capping the skill-ceiling of the game when it comes to aim.
@thishandleistaken1011
@thishandleistaken1011 3 ай бұрын
@@EvsEntps Well said.
@kirjuschaks
@kirjuschaks 5 жыл бұрын
I did not knew that the scout is so unaccurate. I always thought, it was my bad aim, when I missed the headshot...
@lw3106
@lw3106 2 жыл бұрын
Your aim just sucks lol
@johnshelbyjenkins
@johnshelbyjenkins 9 жыл бұрын
I would love to see the accuracy of these guns displayed on a graph. Would actually be pretty useful to decide at what range to go for headshots, or body shots.
@dahomosapien
@dahomosapien 8 жыл бұрын
You seriously are producing some incredible content. No one else has a vid like this (to my knowing). I subbed yesterday, and I've already watched all your vids. I'm certain I'm not the only one. Please consider making more :) Keep up the good work too!
@DevinDTV
@DevinDTV 8 жыл бұрын
+dahomosapien thanks m8
@ElihuNavon
@ElihuNavon 7 жыл бұрын
3kiliksphilip
@ElihuNavon
@ElihuNavon 7 жыл бұрын
3kiliksphilip
@Raptorftw
@Raptorftw 9 жыл бұрын
It's really questionable that you can be on someone's head and still miss. What place does a random bullet deviation have in cs go? We do not want any random factors in a game like cs go, if you aim on the head, you should hit the headshot, nothing else should happen. And no, balancing weapons by making them inaccurate at range isn't a way to balance a gun, you can balance guns many other ways that wont affect the integrity of the game.
@Disconnected66
@Disconnected66 9 жыл бұрын
+ZiZou idk man doesn't seem to affect pro players negatively. Because they took the time to learn it, enabling them to balance certain engagements as worth/notworth. You don't see a pro player push into pit with an ak and base their sole push off picking people with the AK on A site. Because each gun has strengths and weaknesses. Damage and accuracy falloff with certain guns means you need to manipulate your positioning and the enemies positioning to create a favorable situation for yourself. The game isn't supposed to be realistic, it's supposed to be balanced. It's not like if you're on CT side you have less falloff distance with guns. That's what I'll never understand why people will blame shit like 64 tick because EVERYONE on the server is dealing with the same thing, learning how to play with what is available is how you get better at the game. It's the same mentality here, there has to be a level of risk/reward with your economical purchases and your positioning whilst holding/pushing sites etc. The randomness is within reason. Even when spraying a gun like the AK-47, you have to understand that having a slight variation in the spray pattern while it still maintains the same course is not unbalanced. If you still control the spray the way it's done, you will still hit your shots. I really don't understand all this complaining about the game mechanics. There are other factors in the game that are way more detrimental that WEREN'T intended and need to be fixed. But Valve is a business not a professional tailor. Can't make it fit for every single person :)
@Raptorftw
@Raptorftw 9 жыл бұрын
too long didn't read. What do you mean it doesn't seem to affect pro players negatively? It affects everyone that plays the game. Everyone misses shots that they should hit because of this. You play hours and hours of DM to perfect your aim but still even if you manage to put the crosshair on opponent's head, you might miss. You can do everything perfectly and still miss your shot. That is retarded. Stuff like this doesn't have any place in the biggest competitive shooter.
@Disconnected66
@Disconnected66 9 жыл бұрын
***** okay well don't respond about how you didn't read and then try to counter my argument. And even if you were jut saying that, you obviously didn't read it. So go back, read through it because I already answered that question. Thinking that you should be able to 1tap someone across the map just because it's an AK-47 is you not understanding how video games work.
@Raptorftw
@Raptorftw 9 жыл бұрын
+TeamAlibi These comments you're making are just straight up retarded. " If you still control the spray the way it's done, you will still hit your shots" Well that is clearly not possible. You've trained your muscle memory to control the spray as the spray should go. You can't predict if the spray is going to deviate from what it should be as it happens randomly. How can you hit your shots if everything that you've practiced goes out of the window because of randomness? You can't. Randomness doesn't have ANY place in a competitive shooter. If you need luck to be on your side as well when you're doing everything perfectly, then something is wrong with the game.
@Disconnected66
@Disconnected66 9 жыл бұрын
***** ok but are you trying to say that when you practiced the spray it was not random, but now it is? I mean.. I don't follow. If it doesn't have any place, it wouldn't work.
9 жыл бұрын
Great video but I suggest you use some kind of DeEsser plugin over your vocal channel.
@DevinDTV
@DevinDTV 9 жыл бұрын
+Martin Bezecný Yeah, in future videos I'll fix it.
@Laconic-_-
@Laconic-_- 9 жыл бұрын
+Martin Bezecný but the ak forty-theven is my favorite gun
@hennytv1410
@hennytv1410 9 жыл бұрын
+Kekeroni In Pepperoni :D
@UhOhUmm
@UhOhUmm 9 жыл бұрын
+Martin Bezecný pop filter.
@weareanonymas
@weareanonymas 9 жыл бұрын
+Lord Sircasm Or use a sock if you're cheap.
@szuleckqwe
@szuleckqwe 9 жыл бұрын
I miss 1.6 accuracy :(
@BCHILLZ
@BCHILLZ 9 жыл бұрын
Good info, I like it.
@knd6530
@knd6530 6 жыл бұрын
wrong game bro
@sel_ecto
@sel_ecto 9 жыл бұрын
Great video, 3kliksphilip needs to step his shit up ;)
@DotNetPlays
@DotNetPlays 8 жыл бұрын
Now CSGO requires more luck than skill in order to do amazing. I miss CSS
@james64ibm
@james64ibm 6 жыл бұрын
Buy the SG. No more inaccurate shots on standing targets, but lots of hateful AWPers that were stupid enough to crouchpeek you at long ranges. Oh, the bliss ...
@stunbot0
@stunbot0 3 жыл бұрын
still have css installed probably always will
@stunbot0
@stunbot0 3 жыл бұрын
@@james64ibm sg/aug is trash seeing how it's 2 hs per kill which is why no one buys it. I'd rather just uninstall ty
@chuck-di2jz
@chuck-di2jz 9 жыл бұрын
I love these kinds of videos, good job man.
@theletterkei
@theletterkei 8 жыл бұрын
So you're saying that it is very likely that it is not my fault for missing shots from A site to long?
@DevinDTV
@DevinDTV 8 жыл бұрын
That is correct. Not a good chance of landing a well-aimed shot from that distance.
@theletterkei
@theletterkei 8 жыл бұрын
DevinDTV I'm still gonna play the game, and thinking about it, it's kind of a good balance choice, but shit when I heard this as someone who only taps and bursts, this made me wanna quit.
@theletterkei
@theletterkei 8 жыл бұрын
***** after watching this video I legitimately considered quitting cs just to take a chance at getting better at Overwatch.
@theletterkei
@theletterkei 8 жыл бұрын
***** AUG and SG are more accurate than the AWP and the scout misses 50% of the time from pit to A. Balanced.
@zogtap
@zogtap 4 жыл бұрын
@@theletterkei but before you realized this was a thing you liked the game? Mmmmm. Sound like a silver to me.
@VetoHow
@VetoHow 9 жыл бұрын
Great video, and I loved the way you gradually made everything you said more and more complicated, just like the rifles are gradually less accurate when the distance increases.
@alvarobaitiador6929
@alvarobaitiador6929 9 жыл бұрын
Microsoft Excel was used during this experiment.
@jUDAPOLLUTA
@jUDAPOLLUTA 9 жыл бұрын
this is like a school project
@WassylAldais
@WassylAldais 9 жыл бұрын
"CS is a better skill test than Quake " they said :/
@underdog486
@underdog486 Жыл бұрын
Do you plan on doing a new one of these videos for CS2? I'd love to see the updated information
@thishandleistaken1011
@thishandleistaken1011 3 ай бұрын
It's all still accurate except the SG which is nearly the same as AK now.
@Not_Aaron_
@Not_Aaron_ Жыл бұрын
Coming from valorant, which shows the inaccuracy of the first bullet i was wondering if the ak did have first bullt inaccuracy, when I asked people just said "the first bullet is fully accurate" but I def noticed that it has pretty much the same amount of first bullet speard as the vandal (the ak of valorant)
@DevinDTV
@DevinDTV Жыл бұрын
fps players are braindead and just say random shit as if they know what they're talking about when they have no reason to think so
@Vimto
@Vimto 9 жыл бұрын
American 3kliksphilip?
@honeybadger_sc9816
@honeybadger_sc9816 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this vid. I had a lot of discussions a few month ago with people who just wouldnt believe me that the ak is not reliable with 1 tapping
@h3r34y0utub3
@h3r34y0utub3 9 жыл бұрын
this guy sounds like a mix of 3kliksphilip and warowl
@Harisunn
@Harisunn 9 жыл бұрын
So if I ever miss an easy headshot, i'm blaming it on RNG haha
@f3nrir_
@f3nrir_ 9 жыл бұрын
I have a feeling that deagle's accuracy with be there with scout
@hexenwaffenmemecorps.628
@hexenwaffenmemecorps.628 8 жыл бұрын
>competitive game My fucking sides.
@rmvpbnq
@rmvpbnq 8 жыл бұрын
>skill in rng based games
@0xVENx0
@0xVENx0 3 жыл бұрын
everytime i shoot a bullet and the bullet somehow curves 45 degrees to the right i lose a piece of my soul
@diegue
@diegue 3 жыл бұрын
@@0xVENx0 then don't run when shooting lmao, the video is speaking about another thing, learn to strafe silver
@redxxfour
@redxxfour 9 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. Comprehensive throughout, and with extreme clarity. Please continue to make videos like these!
@Aidan--
@Aidan-- 8 жыл бұрын
Update 8/3/2016: New accuracy recovery method and new recovery rates for the M4A1-S, M4A4, and AK-47.
@DevinDTV
@DevinDTV 8 жыл бұрын
Doesn't actually have any impact on the topic of this video. They didn't change the standing/crouching accuracy of any of the guns, just the recovery time.
@DevinDTV
@DevinDTV 8 жыл бұрын
Idgi. Why come respond to this comment thread when you don't know what you're talking about? What do you hope to gain by making arbitrary, baseless claims in response to some conversation in which you weren't even involved?
@Aidan--
@Aidan-- 8 жыл бұрын
Chill man, its the comment section of a video, people are meant to share their views.
@Aidan--
@Aidan-- 8 жыл бұрын
and actually it does have an impact on the topic of the video. At 2:22 you are saying that you set the timer long enough for it to reset which has now changed for the M4A1-S, M4A4 and AK-47. You did that test with those guns 3:14
@jhesntles8110
@jhesntles8110 8 жыл бұрын
No it does not. The timer is what changed. At the time of the video the timer was different, and DevinDTV properly accounted for the timer. This means that each shot was shot with the maximum accuracy. IF DevinDTV were to repeat the experiment now using the same timings as before, then his results would be off. The timing, once properly accounted for, has no relevance to the topic of the video.
@diegosemmonitor4795
@diegosemmonitor4795 8 жыл бұрын
You could save work by using the command "weapon_debug_spread_show 1", which shows a circle where the bullets can go. There is an another similar, "weapon_debug_spread_print 1". This last one shows in console what distance is the accuracy of your weapon.
@DevinDTV
@DevinDTV 8 жыл бұрын
shots don't distribute uniformly
@diegosemmonitor4795
@diegosemmonitor4795 8 жыл бұрын
True! It seems to hit more around the center. But I think that, once the video`s purpose is to prove that guns are very inaccurate, that command could be an another argument.
@generalh1042
@generalh1042 6 жыл бұрын
"CS:GO is a skill based game."
@lazysoviet
@lazysoviet 4 жыл бұрын
I'm late I know, buuuuut.... I'd say as long as randomness is not too big, you can say that there is a big degree of skill in dealing with randomness, hear me out: Even though you can't be sure that that shot on long won't hit because....well 𝗶𝘁 𝗰𝗼𝘂𝗹𝗱, you can still 𝗽𝗿𝗲𝗱𝗶𝗰𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝗶𝘁 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗯𝗮𝗯𝗹𝘆 𝘄𝗼𝗻'𝘁. Predictability is the strong word here: Knowing when to take the risk (of an unlikely to hit shot) and when to play it safe (reposition and shot him from a closer position) is a skill because 𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗼𝘂𝗴𝗵 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘀𝗵𝗼𝘁𝘀 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗿𝗮𝗻𝗱𝗼𝗺, 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗱𝗲𝗰𝗶𝘀𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝘁𝗼 𝘀𝗵𝗼𝘁 𝗶𝘀 𝗻𝗼𝘁. Of course this only applies if the randomness is not to strong (𝗬𝗘𝗦, 𝗜'𝗠 𝗟𝗢𝗢𝗞𝗜𝗡𝗚 𝗔𝗧 𝗬𝗢𝗨 𝗣𝟵𝟬).
@lazysoviet
@lazysoviet 4 жыл бұрын
It also gives guns like the awp a place because is every gun is as accurate as the AWP, then it starts getting useless (or at least a part of it, I know that the 1-hit-kill is cool and stuff). But who cares about the awp, right? 𝘴𝘢𝘥 𝘳𝘪𝘧𝘭𝘦𝘳 𝘯𝘰𝘪𝘴𝘦𝘴
@dr.cranium9080
@dr.cranium9080 4 жыл бұрын
@valy0f no u
@dr.cranium9080
@dr.cranium9080 4 жыл бұрын
@Brian Trevesstill better than overwatch, league, r6s, and any battle royale dubbed as "competitive"
@olliverdixon3732
@olliverdixon3732 4 жыл бұрын
@@dr.cranium9080 not true, if I’m able to push 1 guy like 2 meters in front of me, crouch, fire 10 rounds at him, and then it shows I hit 0 bullets, I think siege is a better game
@vecter
@vecter 3 жыл бұрын
Area expands quadratically with radius, not exponentially. But you seem like a smart guy who knew that and probably just wasn't careful with your terminology.
@7erdogdu
@7erdogdu 8 жыл бұрын
Dude, this is science.
@v1kk3485
@v1kk3485 8 жыл бұрын
Where you aim on the head at 2000 units of range doesn't matter. Imagine the head being circular-shaped. The radius of the spread circle (i.e the area where your shots can land) is about 61% larger*. So now, draw the small circle within the bigger one. You will see that if you move the smaller circle around, it will still be covered by the larger circle even if they do not share center in the same point. Only if a part of the smaller circle "leaves" the bigger circle are you more likely to miss. If the head had a circular shape, you could nearly shoot at the left or right end of it and still have the same chance to hit. Now, because of the cylinder shape of the hitbox you can definitely shoot at the very end of it. Just not as much above or below. * πr^2 where r is the head's radius. πR^2 where R is the radius of the spread circle. πr^2/(πR^2)=0.386 R=1.61r
@DevinDTV
@DevinDTV 8 жыл бұрын
The distribution of where your shots can land is not uniform. /watch?v=c963bsG-C8Q&t=12s
@darkychao
@darkychao 9 жыл бұрын
Fun Fact, the random inaccuracy isn't actually a "cone" but a square pyramid. This is true for every weapon except the spread from a shotgun which is a cone, although inaccuracy and spread are two different things and I haven't 100% tested the shotguns' actual inaccuracy and I'd rekken that that's also a square.
@DevinDTV
@DevinDTV 9 жыл бұрын
+darkychao They area that shots can land is a circle, not a square. weapon_debug_accuracy_show indicates a square, but that's not representative of where the hits actually land. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKq2ZoWtj7WKfKc
@darkychao
@darkychao 9 жыл бұрын
DevinDTV That's strange, when I did tests with sniper noscopes a couple months back they sprayed into a fairly square area, maybe this was changed when the hitboxes were replaced with the capsules either that or my tests were just wrong.
@kebabprogamer1
@kebabprogamer1 7 жыл бұрын
Why is there inaccuracy that has no real advantages. Thats just so random.
@gameseizure9052
@gameseizure9052 9 жыл бұрын
This was such a needed research. I swear I always felt that the ak was pretty unreliable, but no everyone sweared by it. Good to know that I am better of with the galil (for close range) or sgs.
@MolenTV
@MolenTV 9 жыл бұрын
Pople should realise how much time you spent here just for entertainment! Good job :)
@TookenedOut
@TookenedOut 9 жыл бұрын
I love how he uses big words to sound smarter. Kudos to you for figuring it out but talk so certain people can understand XD
@rickross9829
@rickross9829 2 жыл бұрын
He's using words that best describe what he is saying. If you don't know what the words mean then you can very easily find out.
@Coach_Snoupii
@Coach_Snoupii 9 жыл бұрын
This video is incredibly well done.
@WayStedYou
@WayStedYou 9 жыл бұрын
Is there any difference in this if you were using M4A1-S instead of M4A4?
@OdysseyZZGaming
@OdysseyZZGaming 9 жыл бұрын
+WayStedYou hmmmm great point.
@NowinWTF
@NowinWTF 9 жыл бұрын
+WayStedYou I'd like to see these data on all the guns. If he's got a script set up, it shouldn't be too difficult to run it for, say, the deagle.
@venveng
@venveng 9 жыл бұрын
+WayStedYou M4A1-S is highly more accurate than the m4a4 in long distance.
@WayStedYou
@WayStedYou 9 жыл бұрын
+Veng Ven yeah I wasn't sure if first shot was that much more accurate on the S. I just knew the follow up shots were.
@ned_the_nod
@ned_the_nod 9 жыл бұрын
+Veng Ven There's no difference in 1st bullet accuracy between m4a1 or m4a4.
@AntonLFG
@AntonLFG 5 жыл бұрын
I learned more from this video than I ever did in grade school.
@Edvardas96
@Edvardas96 9 жыл бұрын
SU553?
@herpaderpster
@herpaderpster 8 жыл бұрын
LMAO I was not ready for that ending, you got me weak mate I also got a little lost on the math parts but that may be because I'm a little high. Good shit mate. 8/8
@Eclipse-SSC
@Eclipse-SSC 3 жыл бұрын
I told everyone that SG is better than AK and that the game is more luck than skill but people call me bad. Ok.
@lw3106
@lw3106 2 жыл бұрын
SG is usable only long range, what do you do in close range combat idiot? AK is more useful.
@ddds9134
@ddds9134 6 жыл бұрын
im so happy they did the first shot accuracy update!
@rhowan9782
@rhowan9782 2 жыл бұрын
And now I realize why, me coming back from CS after val and wondering why tf can't I hit any headshot at long ass ranges when my HS percentages are literal godlike.
@lw3106
@lw3106 2 жыл бұрын
It's because your aim sucks xDDD
@Shockwave724
@Shockwave724 Жыл бұрын
@@lw3106 csgo LEM stuck after 3000 hours here. Did you see the video idiot?
@longshot789
@longshot789 9 жыл бұрын
Wow, can't believe the low scout accuracy. Dangola.
@aarontheperson6867
@aarontheperson6867 8 жыл бұрын
That's why you charge in and mow 'em down.
@7r1p0d5
@7r1p0d5 9 жыл бұрын
553 master race reporting in
@hugo_stern
@hugo_stern 7 жыл бұрын
spread, accuracy and other bs shouldnt be a thing in a esports game
@TkTerminator303
@TkTerminator303 9 жыл бұрын
To all the people saying the randomness is a good thing for balance. If this was TRULY balanced, then there would be some way of predicting the randomness. There would be variables given to you so you can predict where you shot is going to go. The fact that they don't give you the variables makes it unbalanced, period. The game is competitive, and should NOT reward luck as much as it does.
@Green.n.Purple
@Green.n.Purple 7 жыл бұрын
Funnily enough, if you say "random bullet spray!" they will lecture you on how the guns actually have a spray pattern, and so it's not luck. And if you point out the fact that these spray patterns aren't consistent...
@arnedegeeter3738
@arnedegeeter3738 8 жыл бұрын
69 % headshot accuracy, see what you did there XD
@haruccigr
@haruccigr 9 жыл бұрын
The cockney (British) accent at the end, it's perfect!!! ROFL
@Kvin1871
@Kvin1871 9 жыл бұрын
Can you do the thing for the M4A1-S and M4A4 too? Thank You! :)
@snivy6393
@snivy6393 9 жыл бұрын
As Mark Watney said: you just science'd the shit out of CSGO
@Carpythesharky
@Carpythesharky 9 жыл бұрын
I have, and MANY others, have been saying this since the beginning. First shot accuracy is a must. Otherwise, it's no longer about who can aim and shoot quicker, instead who gets the first accurate shot fastest.
@monokendo
@monokendo 9 жыл бұрын
last week i was playing the game and i did a hs and i didn't even aim to the head or the body and the crosshair wasn't that close to him
@seyyjJ
@seyyjJ 9 жыл бұрын
Long story short: LUCK IS A BIG FACTOR.
@rustyshackleford9637
@rustyshackleford9637 3 жыл бұрын
and such is also the case in real life gunfights. in real life, sometimes guns jam when you need them to fire most. They overheat with rapid fire which lowers accuracy, they get dirty which causes more malfunctions, when you reload, you don't miraculously find all the cartridges from the half empty magazine conveniently loaded up into the next. In real life there is no bright colored green crosshair that indicates the exact center of your point of aim. You have to look down the sights and line them up to even think about hitting something further than 10 yards away. But this is CS:GO. it's fine. None of the guns make any sense at all. SMGs are the only ones that behave as they should. A 12 gauge shotgun will kill or incapacitate in 1 shot, 92% of the time. That is a statistical fact, yet 9 pellets of 00 buck, the same size as 9mm rounds each, won't kill an enemy, even at point blank range unless you hit their head. But I'm sure you can kill them with less than 9 shots with any pistol. AK-47s are terribly inaccurate and even less consistent about it. They are good out to about 300m in real life with a scope, and only if it's Russian made and in good condition. A given AK-pattern rifle you might find in the world would serve you well to put all of it's shots within 6 inches of each other at only 100m. I think i've made my point abundantly clear. CS isn't realistic at all, it never has been, but it's fun.
@gianhet
@gianhet 8 жыл бұрын
brilliant :D You earned a sub
@DevinDTV
@DevinDTV 8 жыл бұрын
thanks m8
@P5ykoOHD
@P5ykoOHD 8 жыл бұрын
And another one. Great stuff ^^ This removes so much "skill" from the game ... wish they would remove this, rewarding players who actually have good aim. I find myself watching demos and being 100% on head, yet missing all my shots while both myself and my opponent are standing still / crouching. Triggers me xD
@toastrobber931
@toastrobber931 9 жыл бұрын
I like your accurate upside down gun
@adrianoss.bougas3720
@adrianoss.bougas3720 5 жыл бұрын
We need a 1.6 video
@SoapSoapCrayon
@SoapSoapCrayon 9 жыл бұрын
I'd be really interested to see a comparison between GO, CSS and 1.6. Probably a lot more work though.
@thomasferlauto7981
@thomasferlauto7981 7 жыл бұрын
Well, alright, test these same statistics when still and crouching, and see what's different.
@ioannissevastopoulosarvani1192
@ioannissevastopoulosarvani1192 Жыл бұрын
Thank god there's actual proof. I thought I'm crazy
@sneakyman555
@sneakyman555 8 жыл бұрын
How did you gain an hour of time at 2:24? Is it a command?
@KulaGGin
@KulaGGin 9 жыл бұрын
You can increase your chances of headshots on AK47 by aiming with your closest to the center of screen lower right pixel. Why? Because ak47 spread is moved to the right side a bit even for first 2 bullets(testes myself just like you did but to determine where first bullets go: to the bottom side of the crosshair or to the upper side of the crosshair, to the left side or to the right side... The answer is: For AK47 first bullets go to the bottom right side.
@Skrenja
@Skrenja Жыл бұрын
No gun should have RNG bullet bloom (besides unscoped snipers.) It's so stupid that this randomness is in a competitive arcade shooter like CSGO/2.
@ThePsycho24
@ThePsycho24 6 жыл бұрын
So basically we have reason to play SG and AUG Now?
@zumzar1234
@zumzar1234 8 жыл бұрын
But you have to realize that the AK 1 shots the head, the M4 dosen't. So with that fact it kind of equalize the weapons?
@Frikgeek
@Frikgeek 8 жыл бұрын
+Rasmus Nielsen Except the SG553 exists and is also a 1hit headshot, kills much faster to the body than any CT rifle(0.13s faster than the AK too), and is pretty much perfectly accurate for almost any range you'll encounter on official maps. And it's super unfair in modes where CTs don't have an advantage by camping(like deathmatch for example).
@andrewaziz7253
@andrewaziz7253 8 жыл бұрын
I agree that CS GO guns should be very accurate when standing still and shooting your first bullet, however, I do think that it is good that there is a bit of inaccuracy with the guns depending on what the style of the gun is. I think they should up the accuracy from long range with the snipers a bit more (especially the scout) and the assault rifles (M4's, AK's, etc.), but still have that "cone of where the first bullet goes," just make the cone smaller for those guns. I assume that pistols are extremely inaccurate from long range which I think is good. Short version: If there wasn't that small inaccuracy (which is too large right now), then spraying would probably be useless and everyone would be instantly headshotted and nothing interesting will happen (or at least for professional play it will be like that).
@luffyluck
@luffyluck 9 жыл бұрын
Bristleback tries to sneak in the video !
@mirsad96
@mirsad96 8 жыл бұрын
Good upload. Thanks for sharing your knowledge mate.
@JakKnifez
@JakKnifez 9 жыл бұрын
So am i lucky to land 2 headshots with ak from t to mid doors?
@timur5241
@timur5241 5 жыл бұрын
Accuracy in CS: GO is anomalously huge (when you walk, jump and full-auto fire)
@CharIie83
@CharIie83 9 жыл бұрын
are there any good shots in cs? what is skill in an fps game, when the bullets dont hit? also, what is the emotional impact on gameplay from peekers advantage? does it ruin the fun?
@hl2oli
@hl2oli 9 жыл бұрын
what about when sidestepping, dosen't that give you a more accurate stop?
@jhdfjhgdffdgdfg
@jhdfjhgdffdgdfg 8 жыл бұрын
what about sg553 without scoped
@TOTFAHRER
@TOTFAHRER 8 жыл бұрын
THIS
@Paytrolah
@Paytrolah 8 жыл бұрын
Why would you not scope doe?
@TOTFAHRER
@TOTFAHRER 8 жыл бұрын
flickshots, shooting multiple opponents, fov vision
@andreia157157
@andreia157157 7 жыл бұрын
this coment is a year old but the sg553 unscoped has almost the half the inaccuracy of the ak47 and a little more accuracy than both m4 if you want to know more or less by your own experience the accuracy of the sg standing is about the same as the m4 accuracy crouch
@Simon74
@Simon74 9 жыл бұрын
This video, sir , is amazing!
@ayuminor
@ayuminor 9 жыл бұрын
And that's when aiming at the perfect center of the head!
@FoSOfficialChannel
@FoSOfficialChannel 8 жыл бұрын
"Skill based game"
@5upl1an
@5upl1an 6 жыл бұрын
you're totally right. this game is not skilled based at all. the pro players are just lucky over and over and over and over and over again.
@carousel9325
@carousel9325 6 жыл бұрын
More skill than any other fps game.
@sulphurous2656
@sulphurous2656 5 жыл бұрын
>RNG Bullets Nice "Skill Based" Game you got there!
@QuaaaaaD
@QuaaaaaD 8 жыл бұрын
2:54 does anyone understand that sentance?
@DragonActual
@DragonActual 8 жыл бұрын
Just ask a expert math teacher to 'translate'
@Chushchev
@Chushchev 9 жыл бұрын
I like how he tries to make a formula using data that is completlely random. Giving the basic statistics on accuracy at ranges would of sufficed. No need to confuse people. BRB just making a gui interface using visual basic to track your ip address.
@DanChanVideoGames
@DanChanVideoGames 9 жыл бұрын
+Chushchev It legitimizes his argument.
@NOBODY-bf9cs
@NOBODY-bf9cs 8 жыл бұрын
Mindblowing. Why this game is the most popular COMPETITIVE "SKILLBASED" FPS GAME???
@KristallFire
@KristallFire 8 жыл бұрын
because of the previous game(s), that actually where.
@Monkeynet01
@Monkeynet01 8 жыл бұрын
+Wojciech “n0body” Cieślak Just because there is some RNG doesn't mean that it isn't a skill based game.
@rmvpbnq
@rmvpbnq 8 жыл бұрын
Why this game is the most popular COMPETITIVE "SKILLBASED" FPS GAME??? Because nothing is better.
@amdsixtyfour
@amdsixtyfour 9 жыл бұрын
awesome vid man. subbed
@actioninja8654
@actioninja8654 9 жыл бұрын
Can you compare this data with data from CSS and 1.6, it would be interesting to see how it's changed between versions.
@CoreyBeaumont
@CoreyBeaumont 9 жыл бұрын
Cool stuff, may be a dumb question but how is this data being collected? What other kind of data is there that is statistically significant toward the quality of a player?
@ArtisteAArtiste
@ArtisteAArtiste 8 жыл бұрын
And when we crouch ?
@TuneEditsfx
@TuneEditsfx 9 жыл бұрын
well...guess it's time to switch to the sg553
@WsciekleMleko
@WsciekleMleko 6 жыл бұрын
50% at this distance from site b to tunnels? Doesn't cover with my experience with the game. There had to be some errors in math or I don't understand propability.
@DevinDTV
@DevinDTV 6 жыл бұрын
go test it yourself
@lw3106
@lw3106 2 жыл бұрын
@@DevinDTV I always hit it from there, your math sucks.
@THEBOSS-bw7eo
@THEBOSS-bw7eo 6 жыл бұрын
My brain hurts a lil but i understand a bit more now :D
@MannYSJ1080p
@MannYSJ1080p 9 жыл бұрын
3klilphillip just threw up in his mouth
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