Framing My Tiny Home Floor | Less Expensive Than I Thought

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[@devonloerop]

97% of you still aren't subscribed 😑

[@NR-pn6mn]

We're too lazy and busy watching shorts.

[@mikesmarinrules]

Wasn’t me.

[@TheWannabeGeek]

Just subbed. Loving your content. Great job mate.

[@devonloerop]

@@NR-pn6mnI knew this day was coming 😅

[@jimlahey9796]

Too bad so sad. Make better content and I’ll subscribe to it. For now I’ll just watch it while unsubbed

[@WesternNyBigfoot]

Run concrete posts 3 ft high. Use sill plates and rim joists

[@Darthvolvo]

The intricate planning always blows me away. So awesome to see this evolve from a spot in the forest to a home.

[@devonloerop]

Ya! That definitely is key being a few steps ahead so I don't catch myself in a pinch. You should see what I wrapped up last night 😏

[@CSTLSRY]

@@devonloerop this is a really bad/dangerous build.

[@socalpumpballer]

Wild seeing all of that sitting on a couple of us unsupported threaded bolts 😂.

[@elemenop718]

That’s what I was thinking. Like it all looks robust above those little brackets. But everything is on those little brackets….

[@GrimReaping]

Unsupported how? Simpson requires 2500psi concrete at a minimum to hold those anchor bolts. 4x4's shouldnt have more than 500lbs on them, and that bolt is rated for a max of 760 down load when supported by the nut alone.

[@garyreneau6166]

@@GrimReaping Thanks for clarifying this, as I was unsure but didn't want to come across as an internet jerk. so, if I were to build something similar (but with more piers, 600 sq feet), would you recommend to do anything differently than he did? Thanks

[@BStefanovic16]

You’re the man dude. I just got into engineering after doing all my apartment repairs myself the past year and I’m so into getting more skilled and knowledgable. Your videos have been an awesome resource. I appreciate how you explain what each piece of hardware is for and how it works. Awesome dude! Keep it up

[@GavinKohAquascaping]

It was very satisfying to see you install the kickers and get that feeling of how your base is becoming totally rock solid. Nice job!

[@lilamakalianzi7776]

Thank you, thank you, thank you for the upload. It feels so wholesome following along your journey. You’re doing an amazing job!

[@devonloerop]

I appreciate it a ton! I'll do my best to film it all the way through

[@GrimReaping]

I dont know if you're still reading comments on these old videos, but i just wanted to say i'd have a hard time not replying to all the internet experts in the comments if i were you. They dont do any research into the maximum loads of hardware or even bother to see that its literally designed to be used how you used it. Thank you for posting even though you get hate from idiots, I really like to see how different people build things to give me ideas for the construction that i do. Keep it up man, you're doing great.

[@stephensmith2660]

Great videos! Giving me inspiration to rebuild my old camp lodge.

[@krismissing7292]

Awesome videos and the format feels very fresh to watch. Can't wait for more

[@devonloerop]

More to come!

[@dimimaiden]

I love your enthusiasm, pleasure to watch people who love what their doing

[@donnafredericks6312]

Well done!! Loving every minute of catching up on your adventures!! Just stumbled across your channel and oh so happy I did!

[@8TOM]

Its shaping !! Really a joy to watch. And build to last its great attitude.

[@devonloerop]

One step at a time :) thanks 😊

[@Keasbeysknight]

Really glad to see the KZbin side of content/diy. I'm a new sub and went through all the old build videos and realized they were more breakdown than the way you're doing them now. I'm excited to see how this all turns out! My wife and I stayed at an Airbnb up by mt Baker a few weeks back. Had me looking at property. They had 40 acres available for just under 400k but it was zoned for logging. Seemed like a dream spot but not living there made it a little unrealistic of an investment. Now I can live through your videos :)

[@devonloerop]

Hey! Thanks for all the encouragement. The old style videos are way easier to film but this is how I wanted to film the pacific bin videos since it's much more engaging. Hopefully in the future I can do another container build and do it this way!!

[@rallesalling]

You're amazing my man - Such a joy to watch you build this and document it all for us to see! So inspiring!

[@devonloerop]

Thanks!!🎉

[@samuelhenry9959]

Great job looking forward for more information 😊

[@HamiltonvilleFarm]

Good video. Enjoying following along with the build.

[@devonloerop]

Thanks 👍

[@mistergolfer7]

Excited to see another progress upload! Can't wait for the next one!

[@devonloerop]

Let's me just say, standing walls alone was a little sketchy 😅

[@MattBrighton]

Eagerly watching this from the UK. Discovered your channel a few days ago

[@devonloerop]

Thanks for following along! So awesome people from all over the world!

[@spatel1015]

I thoroughly impressed with your work, you just have been saving up for a long time for these projects.

[@devonloerop]

This one hasn't been nearly as financially tough as the pacific bin😅

[@keeganwarner2903]

Great vid!

[@mikaellampinen6836]

Just found the channel and subbed after a few hours of watching your stuff! The content is bang on! Keep up the great builds and these entertaining vids!

[@devonloerop]

Really appreciate this! Just wait until you see the video of me standing the walls by myself 😳

[@sleeperpick86]

Any concerns with rusting of the anchors and how much weight can they withstand?

[@stefan__1117]

great job my guy!! I don't say that very often!

[@SirFeatherfoot]

Thank you for showing how much everything costs. A lot of creators make thumbnails with price in mind and then don't deliver. Appreciate your content.

[@kaigrazzini]

love the project, its coming along nicely,

[@devonloerop]

Thanks!

[@thomasmccray1517]

On the four foot marks I doubled the floor joist so my subfloor 4x8 did not share the 1 and 1/2 inch joist. You could marry a 2x4 to it also every 4ft just fyi. Before I put the subfloor on I usually face the underside and insulate. Spray for bug proofing and caulk to keep critters out.

[@parrisestatessouthernhomec3246]

I’m glad here in sc we don’t have to build a double floor!! I’m flabbergasted how you built a foundation grid then built an entire new grid for flooring on top the grid when really here in sc we use the og grid an use it as the beginnings of the floor joists system

[@devonloerop]

beams make it so you can level the home easier that way you level by using two control surfaces instead of 12

[@JasonHu88]

Love it!

[@ChristianSchaffer]

Love the outtakes haha

[@ryandossett7829]

Bro Outstanding video

[@the33press-admin]

This is an amazing work, as someone grew up in the city and concrete jungles, I often dream of living in a forest. Then here I have some questions about the durability of the lumbers in modern days, would it be capable to handle the humidity, the hot and cold temperature and the destructive wood eating pests for two decades and not getting rotten.

[@chrisdeering2077]

Nice work

[@johntillotson4254]

Thx for sharing

[@vz6715]

I subbed, I’ll be building a home soon (I’m doing a pier set up too) I worked 2years doing pile driving for industrial complex’s and bridges I’m doing the same thing because it’s the best bang for your buck foundation solution no matter how you look at it 💯

[@karmix2470]

Finally a new video!!!

[@devonloerop]

Sorry! They take a bit to film and edit 😊

[@iammorhb]

Love it

[@johntherat339]

Great video series! I've been thinking about using pier and beam foundation but if you can believe it pouring a concrete slab foundation is cheaper in my area and I don't have to do any of the labor. With pier and beam you still have to buy insulation and flooring.

[@devonloerop]

Wow if it's cheaper def go for it! You might want to consider using a footing and stem wall so you have a crawl space. It's nice for maintenance in future.

[@chaconjohnson]

Great work, and walk through. Very informative. where can i find those adjustable post brackets? Of what the actual name of them if you don't mind?

[@tedev]

there are a lot of things that i find wrong in this build. the question is.... did you consult a professional or do any research before start building that deck?

[@strjourneys7919]

No need to

[@VA-gu1jq]

@@strjourneys7919That’s insane.

[@GrimReaping]

Why dont you say whats wrong with it instead of saying you found things that were wrong?

[@parkermarsch646]

⁠@@GrimReaping for starters, the main one I noticed was the nailing. For nailing double beams, you should have about half the number of nails as your nominal value every 16”. In other words, a double 2x10 beam should have 5 nails (some codes have it as 4 nails, hence why I said “about half”) vertically every 16”. Looks like he just ran across punching a bunch of nails in, but not nearly enough and not in a particular pattern

[@stephengarrett5808]

hey great work, do you know what those adjustable floating anchor deals are rated for load? thanks!

[@mikemellon80]

those anchor bolts made it really easy to adjust height but are they strong enough to have the entire weight of the house on? usually the weight is on the 4x4 or 6x6 directly to your pier, not its just on a 3/4" bolt.

[@darbythomson7662]

That's what I'm thinking, Simpson abu66z is what should've been used or the 4x4 version, these look like a waste of effort

[@brandon7671]

Probably not. They're rated for a down load of 760 which I think is in lbs: ssttoolbox.widen.net/view/pdf/mwhmgauawo/C-C-2024_p075.pdf?t.download=true 12 posts at 760lb/post = 9120lbs. I'm considering these for a shed and deck but I'd never consider them for a house. Edit: This doesn't seem right though. There's no way the threads can only hold 760lb. It must be in kg or kN. I'll do some digging...unless someone else can beat me to it.

[@joemclaughlin8106]

My thoughts exactly. Seems like a lot of weight to sit on a small bolt. Granted it’s 12 bolts but still doesn’t seem too strong.

[@CluelessEngineer]

yea I was thinking the same thing. That the entire structure is being held up with 12 of those little retal rods basically. idk. seems sketch/under-engineered. hoping he can chime in

[@luckyluke1730]

Great work and great craftsmanship 🙌. I am curious what your plan is with the rebar legs?

[@eddieseward1649]

That’s going to be a lot of weight on those foundation bolts. I’d get an engineer to inspect that for you.

[@garyburr1248]

Agreed

[@DanielSalley3D]

Ever get the feeling you are watching the start of something really great? Your channel has a big following but keep this up and you will be massive in no time!

[@devonloerop]

Haha thanks! Yeah I have some really cool plans for this home and bringing you all along is a priority!

[@CynicalDad81]

New subscriber 🙋🏻‍♂️

[@curtwarkentin2887]

Only thing i would have done differently is to sheet under the framing first. By doing the underside first you just drop in your insulation from on top. By doing the top t&g plywood you now have to stuff insulation in from underneath the framing. Take my word for it that way sucks.

[@devonloerop]

Typing this while taking a break stuffing insulation in my crawl space.... this sucks... never again hahaha. Definitely taking your suggestion moving forward.

[@curtwarkentin2887]

@@devonloerop lol yeah, I've done the insulation job you are now doing. Not fun. But we all learn through experience. Your build is sure looking great from the videos I've seen so far.

[@FranciscoGonzalez-ro7ht]

What material would you use to sheet under the frame?

[@curtwarkentin2887]

@@FranciscoGonzalez-ro7ht I used OSB for the underside. I was an apprentice when I had that job so whatever the boss told me to use I used. But at the time OSB was cheaper than plywood and the underside doesn't really carry much of a load... It's basically sealing up the underside of the floor and holding the insulation in place. But before you use OSB I'd make sure your local building codes say OSB is allowed.

[@Stan_CentralFla]

fwiw, slab foundations vs. pier: high winds and hurricanes can destroy homes no matter how the foundations are laid out.

[@TodKarlson]

If you use some beads of that Liquid Nails in between your sistered lumber they will be even stronger than if they were one piece of wood. No clamping required because your nails & screws act as clamps.

[@outback3791]

locktite version of liquid nails works much better. Much stronger adhesion.

[@JB-ej2qy]

Ring shank nails for decking 👍

[@KvSeHD]

''This ain't going anywhere''🤣

[@movingtorichmondva]

I purchased 6 acres of mountain view land in the blue ridge mountains and just had the land cleared and soil work done. Now i'm deciding on what to build, I want to do most of it myself and am looking to do what you have done. Is there a way for me to get some consultation from you? I have a lot of renovation experience, I've purchased around 20 homes in my life and renovated them into rental homes but NEVER built something from scratch like this and have ALWAYS dreamed of doing so. I love your channel and am subscribed!

[@Ydnar6929]

You could eliminate the blocking on the outside as your rim joist would have accomplished the same thing. All in all a great job.

[@DylanCyr]

With you raising up some of those bolts out of the cement, does it compromise the structural integrity at all?

[@jmasonbr]

Thanks Devon, this video was very helpful and gave me a lot of helpful ideas - I want to build a Workshop about the same size of this - 32'x16'. Question though, did you have some SW to determine the floor joist sizes? 2x12 sounds like a HUGE overkill! AND, I SUBSCRIBED! ;o)

[@torymblue2000]

look at that, levels and lasers , oh my!! hahahaha

[@devonloerop]

Haha that my kinda place! Lol

[@bradymadden2746]

Can someone explain how the adjustable brackets sticking out of the piers work? It seems like the entire house is held up on top of these relatively skinny bolts! Are they just that strong? I guess I’m surprised that’s just as strong as the wood beam directly sitting (or sitting within a bracket directly) on top of the pier. Awesome video.

[@joshpit2003]

When you spin the nut, it pushes down on a washer, which pushes down on the concrete pier, lifting the load. The threads are only there to act on the nut, not the concrete. As a result: They have terrible uplift holding (IE: they can be pulled out), and since they have minimal cross-sectional area (a single bolt) that means they also have terrible side-loading (IE: they can be knocked over). I can't speak as to whether or not these shortcomings would be problematic for the build shown here, but I'm fairly confident this would not pass an inspection.

[@devonloerop]

Very true, will not pass inspection but this tiny home is not permitted and will not need to be inspected. That's also true that due to lack of cross section they are not good laterally which is why I built the home like a table, all of the bracing laterally is up top and that way it's almost like setting a table down on the piers.

[@bradymadden2746]

Thanks for the reply, really interesting. Why not just lay the beams directly on the piers? Was it to give yourself the ability to make leveling adjustments?

[@bjhiss27]

It looks extremely unstable, all that load on small anchor bolts. I don't see how that foundation stays in one piece and will most likely blow those piers out. Once the house is built, it can't be adjusted so any future sinking will still result in an unlevel foundation. They should have just built directly on the piers and at least made it stable. @@joshpit2003

[@badtoro]

All that work to cheap out on the foundation like that.

[@scottborah5834]

Not to pick, but when you build beams or headers, put plywood between to stiffen against the grain of the natural wood

[@johntillotson4254]

Great job. The cost in red don't show up as well?

[@alfiehillier4377]

Sometimes I sit here in awe of the things some people can do.

[@UAstan]

How is 2 ft in the ground enough? Here in PA, you need to be 40-48 inches in the ground even for a deck.

[@CDKJCK]

What size lumber did you use underneath the 2 x 12 joists? 2 x 10?

[@AKcam7]

noice!!

[@Yeshua73732]

How come he didnt let the wood rest on the concrete footing instead of all the weight testing on the little metal things?

[@FirstNerdAdmin]

What software are you using for your floor plans and 3d models?

[@h1nkle]

we just stayed at the bin a month ago and you’re going to make us come back 😅😅

[@devonloerop]

Hahaha it's going to be pretty cool! Thanks for support me, the bin and the cedar hallow! 😊🎉

[@markronan4166]

Well this is just what I wanted to see my friend I just bought half an acre in Snohomish and the only way I can afford to build is with Shipping containers who did you find to stack those so many of these guys say they don’t stack

[@kitchenswitch3626]

Milwaukee, good man 💪

[@devonloerop]

you know it!

[@hdm4825]

The weight of the whole building is supported by 12 screws, nuts/washers. Not a safe design. What is the max load each screw can take?

[@devonloerop]

3/4" bolts* not screws lol. Look up the compressive load of 3/4" diameter steel

[@hdm4825]

@@devonloeropBolt include screw and nut. It got thread on it. So it is not the max load of the 3/4 diameter steel bar but of the thread. I just checked quickly on chatGPT, seems a grade 2 3/4 diameter bolt can hold 3500 lbs load on thread. 12 bolts hold 42000 lbs. Assuming the building is 500 square foot and dead load on the floor is 40 lbs per square foot, the total dead load is 20000 lbs, which seems OK. I am not sure how much margin should be left for dynamic load.

[@paulbiniasz2278]

Did you have to work with permits and building inspectors? Really impressive structure, BTW I love this build!

[@MicahStClair-yp1ld]

Dude! This is great. What are the total dimensions of the building? I am in the process of framing a 12 x 24 building, definitely stealing some ideas for bracing. Nice work. Is the container home on the same property? What kind of permits did you have to get?

[@SeanGilchrist]

Could you have just mounted the beams directly atop the anchors, without the vertical posts?

[@amygorman5267]

As always, nicely done! Are you selling the plans for the tiny house? Do you have materials list? Thank again!

[@devonloerop]

Will all be in the price breakdown video!

[@thomastimothy777]

“Little Emily” 😮

[@smcox1991]

All that blocking should’ve been in the middle of the span where there’s nothing holding the joists. Blocking is used to transfer the weight from one joist to the surrounding joists.

[@devonloerop]

I know what you're saying but these are 8' spans and 2x12x16's so needless to say it's overkill. I'd argue that it's better to do that way I did it can it creates more of a rigid system than having blocking offset from the beams

[@weekendhomeprojects]

@3:53 - Can someone explain how that pier is moving up or down. Shouldn't the threaded rod be cemented into place, how is it moving up or down?

[@jayflaggs]

The concrete isn't bonded to the threads very well so it doesn't prevent spinning like a J bolt does.

[@Bofum69]

I’m just wondering why the concrete anchor isn’t sitting on the concrete.

[@stevenjewell460]

How do you solve the problem of slope relative to the concrete tubes?

[@jamesmccarn7775]

Like many viewers i have serious concerns regarding the use of the bolts and the unnecessary usage of blocking near the end of the joists because you capped them with the 2x12...i would have used a block at the end as a jig to space the joists. Use the braces at every 8 feet from the cap boards and that would most likely suffice for stabilizing the joists. But my biggest concerns is the usage of screws over nails. Screws break wheras nails bend so when that house starts settling, alot of the screws could snap off. Use blue glue nails and you will get the best of both worlds as they will bend when needed but never back out because of the glue. But I do like your video presentation.

[@devonloerop]

I glued down each panel, so the plate is essentially one solid system. It's been working really really well. The glue would have to shear off to have any screws break.

[@lonnycom76]

hey nice work. looks so fun. love building too. how did your corner to corner measure out? lol hope it was perfect.

[@devonloerop]

I gotta be honest. It was off by 1/4" 😂

[@lonnycom76]

noice

[@justindiiorio5979]

@@devonloerop so how were you able to correct that? I was wondering the same thing while watching. Love the vids !!

[@LogHewer]

​@@justindiiorio5979It's a quarter inch...🤷 Lol. I imagine there was no correcting needed.

[@krd_0154]

Just subscribed today. Out of interest, what trade qualifications do you have or very self taught?

[@yu-i7476]

is it legal there in the us if you resell the plans of the building? or the architect (intellectual property owner ) permitted you to sell the plans? just wondering because most of the country i know does not allowed it .. this is the f3rd video i watched from this youtube channel the building looks good btw.. nice videos

[@mtssbydesign8818]

Two questions: 1) Do you have to calculate for snow load in Washington? and 2) Are you using any particular building code guidelines?

[@mtssbydesign8818]

Actually, one more question..... 3) Why didn't you insulate the floor?

[@vanblindguy4600]

I know some studies have been conducted to the idea that cold air drops so no real benefit from floor insulation other than protecting plumbing

[@devonloerop]

I built it the the local codes. Each vertical 4x4 post can hold 13k lbs (some estimates even say upwards of 20k lbs but built in a big safety factor. so at 12 posts can hold 156k lbs and I did the rough math on how much my home will weigh and it's going to be right around 30k lbs. with 2 feet of snow on the home it weighs an additional 5k lbs. So i'm still in the stupid safe realm. Also, I am starting to insulate the sub floor right now. I didn't do it during framing because i was going to be running all the plumbing underneath and didn't want insulation to be in the way (also i wanted to be able to identify leaks easily if i messed up.

[@devonloerop]

sub floors of exposed crawlspaces are required to be insulated.

[@woodwallguy-vintageharvest3355]

I subscribed, what was the dimension of the 2x materials you used for the pier joists?

[@woodwallguy-vintageharvest3355]

also you did not use pressure treated for your pier joists, would you do the same again?

[@woodwallguy-vintageharvest3355]

last question, what size were your floor joists? I am going to make a purchase next week... thanks again!

[@devonloerop]

12"

[@rodyjperez7659]

How do you do all this alone?

[@dfj555]

Your tubes should have been set at 12 to 18 inches above the ground, and then you wouldn't need the 4x4 posts. The beams would then go right into the Simpson hardware, which would make the foundation more solid and you wouldn't require the kickers. Also, your floor joist should have been placed between the beams, not on top of the beams, which is the industry standard. You're making your build much more complicated than it needs to be.

[@andrewcamarillo908]

What did you do for plumbing?

[@rabiehamdi5651]

what's the name of the lizer machine

[@MrSteeDoo]

It's about a hundred pieces of 2x and plywood. How far could you have been off with your estimate? LOL

[@sb-nyc]

Heads up - your Amazon link in the description isnt working

[@aaronvanhoucke2065]

Dislexy has notting to with mesuring. Discalcuy does

[@olegkaletin9002]

How did you figure out the layout on the ground? Did you have to get it stamped or approved or any permits etc?

[@devonloerop]

Since it's under 400sf I didn't need permit

[@joshpit2003]

@@devonloerop If you haven't already, be sure to confirm that sq-ft exemption applies to habitable dwellings. In a lot of areas, it only applies to non-habitable structures like sheds.

[@GibClark]

👍👍👍👍

[@mrbigvolume6066]

Strange if think of it . The entire structure is resting on 12 what 1 inch diameter metal pins.those seem more like building a deck materials.

[@devonloerop]

Shear strength of the bolt threads are 22k lbs per bolt and the compressive load of 4x4 wood post is 19k lbs as it's braces so wood will fail first but with 12 posts this system can handle 228k lbs at max and the homes weight will be just under 50k lbs so there's a safety factor of 4.56. These #'s are conservative too

[@joefish6546]

Why won't the structure bend the rods? Vertical shear strength presumably assumes forces straight down.

[@devonloerop]

@@joefish6546 there are a total of 37 12" piers bracing the posts in all directions. The home would essentially have break all of the braces and push over the deck, which is its own supported structure to bend the bolts. I was just under there yesterday checking as I insulated and it looked perfect. Even checked it with a laser level

[@beckyfrancis8844]

No floor insulation?

[@beckyfrancis8844]

Why no floor insulation??

[@Albanianguy9]

If you had a background in construction, why didn’t you build some of the stuff in the container home but hired people at a way higher cost?

[@devonloerop]

I actually did a lot of the work there too, all the framing, metal work, stacking, excavation, pathway trenching, deck building, painting, window install.... etc. but I still had to keep working a full time job to help fund it. Plus certain trades needed to be inspected and had to have business license #'s tied to their inspections. Like I needed a certified electrician, and plumber.

[@miguemigue127]

You should have added a Jam nut to the threaded rod into the concrete as secondary retention so it never backs out.

[@beachtimehawaiibth7222]

Wear more eye protection so you can see the cabin finished please!!! 🙏 Keep up the hard work!

[@dinolongheadlearning9092]

Hello, how did you insulate the subfloor?

[@devonloerop]

From the crawlspace :( very slowly

[@dinolongheadlearning9092]

Yes, @@devonloerop

[@beckyfrancis8844]

No floor insulation??