DR MARTENS MOST EXPENSIVE BOOT: Pascal Horween Leather "1460" Made In England

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[@alanoc2425]

To those moaning about price you get what you pay for. There are so many ways to buy these boots discounted. I have just bought a pair of Pascal 1460s for £100 (retail around £160). I have also bought some 40 year old Oxblood 1460s for £40 (in perfect condition, just need a feed) and am repairing a pair of perfect 1460s in black I bought for £15.00 off eBay. If you want really good boots, as someone on here has suggested, go down the route of Church's prior to the brand being sold to PRADA - great boots which WILL last a lifetime - every 3 years or so send them to 'The Shoe Healer' in Doncaster for a resole/repair. Same with Trickers - wonderful boots. Loake - yup, I have a few but prefer their shoes, preferably in suede. I have 8 pairs of DMs, have just sourced 2 pairs for my girlfriend (who loves them) and have just sourced 3 pairs for her daughter - amazing boots if looked after but they are not a patch on the others I mentioned. Old Church's are simply amazing.

[@TheRausing1]

Before lockdown I went to the doc store in Westfields (London) and picked out a pair of Chelsea boots. When I got home I put them on, and started realising something wasn’t right. Something was different from one boot to the other. The leather was slightly different, the stitching... and then the biggest thing- The insole was totally different from one boot to the other, in shape and material. That’s when I realised one boot was made in Taiwan, the other in China! I took the, back to the store, and they acted like it happens all the time. Found me a matching Taiwanese left to match the right one I had, and that was that. Very weird and disappointing experience.

[@BosworthMcG]

Lol that’s crazy. Poor inventory control.

[@MaximSupernov]

I doubt it was made in Taiwan. Taiwan's labour cost is triple the cost compare to south east Asia. After all, Taiwan is a country specialising in high tech OEMs such as computers and semiconductors, fashion goods in Taiwan are also outsourced to China due to cost. Doc Martens only outsourced to China/Vietnam/Bangladesh and Thailand. Perhaps one of your pairs was made in Thailand?

[@inconceivableabysses]

Doc Martens lost me as a customer after they moved the majority of their manufacturing to China. The Chinese boots were constructed differently enough that they peeled skin off of my ankle over the course of a work day. That was enough to show me that they no longer respect their customers. I'm a dedicated fan of Solovair now.

[@mimik5856]

My 90s English ones peeled skin off me.

[@julianshepherd2038]

I stopped buying in mid 90s as not reliable. Solovair are DMs but better.

[@MaximSupernov]

My recent purchases of Docs were made from Bangladesh.

[@egm5278]

you can literally still buy made in england ones

[@Englishmann96]

@@egm5278 yeah for 210£ and they still rubbish

[@Dan-u1l]

So it seems the only change was the leather. Thats a bit dissapointing, as they could have added a shank, or changed up the soles for that price.

[@daveadam435]

All MIEs come with a shank !

[@Dan-u1l]

@@daveadam435 no they don't.

[@harmonicaneil9418]

@@daveadam435 nope. Solovairs do tho.

[@daveadam435]

@@harmonicaneil9418 Well they did back in the 70s !!

[@dillonwinter3521]

@@daveadam435 yeah they don’t anymore

[@Woozer73]

The thing about Veg tan is they become far more interesting with wear, I'm guessing after 6 months to a year these would look spectacular.

[@Xzionify]

..if the Sole held up for so long.

[@trah666]

Right... thats why they warn people that they will change color and take on liquids.. i love veg tan leather, it really becomes unique to your life style

[@aidenlin9878]

@@trah666 resole and get better vibrum or danite soles

[@jamescochrane3844]

FYI - before you dump Dm's, you simply have to try the Ripple/Ziggy sole. The recent Horween MIE Ripples are excellent. The soles don't wear out as quickly as the normal DM sole and perform very much like my Red Wing wedge sole (for half the price). During Covid, I'm puttting miles and miles on mine. Highly recommended.

[@lucaswhite3850]

Thanks for the review. Over 20 years ago I had some Docs but wont be going back anytime soon. So many more better brands imo

[@Marcus_Berger1701]

I'm so excited that you review the Horweens. Last Year i was in New York and had them for the first time in my hands and on my feet. Unfortunately way to expensive for me at this time. I will definitly return to your Channel for Updates on these. The interesing thing about them in my opinion is that the leather is probably the only leather dr. martens use which is 100% produced by another company with its own quality standards. Just want to add that the Vintage Made in England Martens i bought in New York do have a way better Quality than the Made in England ones i bought a few years ago in my homecountry Austria. They have changed something. As we now, its still the Quillon Leather but the Quality and the feel is hugely different.

[@salsa83]

For that price you could get many high end boots of higher quality. Really depends on how much you like the looks of docs.

[@JohnnyTrulove]

Hi there. I used to have some oxfords years ago and although they fit me big, the sole is something I always remember as being super comfy. I just got some chelsea Hardie boots in waxy suede and they are great!

[@keithgray7593]

It is very strange that DM have chosen to use that colour stitching when yellow is the colour they have always used. Solovair had to change to the white colour due to being threatened with legal action over the patent. Solovair swap to white and then DM’s use it. Shame on them....they are a shadow of the company they used to be . I am quite disgusted st the prices DM and Solovair charge for their boots now, it’s got silly. £170 for Solovairs and £140-£150 for foreign rubbish DM’s. The UK made DM’s £200......they were an everyday boot and now they are out of the ordinary man’s price range!!

[@lesbowen2622]

in the 70s all martens had white stitching

[@Artaois13]

Switched to Solovair last time and love them. They just need to offer half sizes in more models.

[@harryhill8543]

I have the Pascal Boanil Brush which was also a premium boot, I think they cost around 300 retail but I picked up two pairs for 60 each. Nice leather but still a DM boot. Ive got alot fussier since I started wearing proper handmade stuff from Loake, Churchs and Trickers. Once you upgrade its hard to go back!

[@alessandrocerioli2151]

I have a pair of Horween docs, but they are diferent: the leather is called Denver and it's somewhat similar to the Dublin...nice patina, and yellow stitching. They compare favourably to my Iron Rangers.

[@Reverands]

Good thing I skipped getting a pair in a Covid Lockdown sale. A couple of weeks later got pair of Made In England 1460 Pascal Shearling Boots for £60 for this winter. Sale prices are the real price now.

[@Lookup2Wakeup]

I just got a pair of Made in England 1460 ice blood boots from Jeanstore in their sale for £142.......... nice boots

[@barrymantelli8011]

It's a lovely update from Doc. I have loved them for so long, but it is interesting they're not even the highest quality of boots that I own. I can't quit them... My pair of for life have last about 5 years, and I have to wear sparingly because the soles are nearly worn out. I have been tempted to spend way too much for a professional resole.

[@danshakuimo]

if you're in the US there is NuShoe and Cobblers Direct if you don't have a local cobbler that can handle docs. NuShoes explicitly says they can fix docs, but Cobblers Direct says they can fix all shoes and you can contact them easily for questions.

[@Marcus_Berger1701]

Can't wait for a review of them worn in. looking forward to it. :-)

[@RebeccaSmith77]

I lovelovelove the color of that leather. And, yeah! I found my Horween leather 1461 shoes are narrower in the toe area and just more snug in the toe area, in general. But, man, if that leather is not gorgeous. For me, since I'm a leather worker and have been for almost 2 decades, anything leather that enters my home gets conditioned right away. That really helped make the color of the leather pop. When conditioning them, really pay attention to the toe and anywhere that may bend because that's the most susceptible to crack and wear. I want some Horween leather Solovairs!❤

[@TylerSnyder305]

These do actually look more like a real boot than anything else I've seen from them, but to be honest I've mostly written them off as a counterculture fashion statement that doesn't support your feet. If I'm not mistaken this is the same leather used in my Thorogoods that I love so much. I'm pretty sure the deal with Horween leather is simply the quality and the more natural vege-tan process, but visually it's not especially elegant.

[@Mkjackary]

Horweens most famous leather is their Chromexcel leather, which is chrome tanned. It is more the quality of leather and tanning/oil tanning process that they use combined with their history that make them so famous. Thorogoods use Chromexcel if I'm not mistaken, and these use Dublin which is one of horweens vegtanned leathers. It isn't the most beautiful to start with but the patina that is has when it ages is wonderful and hard to find as consistently outside of horween

[@hugocuevas6068]

Hey , a big follower here , you should review the 1460 Slip Resistant boots , they're awesome! I Highly recommend them! Got them a year ago and looking alright! I'm a barista and use them pretty much everyday..

[@muchasgracias6976]

Have you taken a look at Ruff-Lander boots? Excellent quality heritage boots that are hand made in the UK and at a very reasonable price.

[@ConquerCollin]

I have some Horween Danners. The leathers good, but like you said, I don't know if its necessarily better than other leather

[@petercarlsson6606]

I bought a pair in Sweden and really like the looks of them - but the leather was too thin so the fit was too loose. I would have liked to know how you felt about the thickness of the leather and the fit with that.

[@martinsmith1525]

Great video. Thank you for that. Real nice docs. Personally i would not buy them as i would go for the more traditional look that docs have to offer. They do a pair with bex soul, with thick tread, might be a better soul. ? Keep up the good work as i enjoy your reviews. 👍

[@MrThat1337guy]

I started up youtube and was greeted by your video, very nice

[@TristanJCumpole]

I've been wearing a pair of standard Pascals for about 4-5yrs and they've held up surprisingly well. Even the soles! These were made in Thailand. I don't put an especially large number of miles on them, however they've done the distance and more. Pascals are designed as streetwear for casual use to my understanding. I might get a pair of these Horween Pascals. They sound a better buy than the 1460s.

[@Tain950]

Those Doc Martens look pretty cool. I bought my first pair of Doc Martens last week and so far I surprisingly love them. Might actually buy another pair or maybe go with Solovairs

[@jimmyward2122]

I've ordered a pair of doc directly from the Brit boot shop they cost little bit more then the england made I ordered from doc martens themselves do you think there's going to be any specific difference between the two

[@thomasmanning8985]

You should take a look at the Redwing 4585 logger boot

[@bethsailove6930]

I have new Pascal bex I order online, I just wondering when I walking is to loud to much quick quick 😅 what should I do?

[@nicholaslopez6384]

Can you make a update on these boots and possibly a cleaning if needed?

[@dustinread6407]

Those are nice looking, interested to see long term review. Madw this comment before I watched the end of the video where he says he won't be doing long term review

[@craftycumbrian3561]

I got the colour 8 cxl version. The true cost per pair of the leather will be less than £30 so you’re essentially paying for the branding. The colour 8 is the ultimate version as truer to the heritage colour.

[@BAR0NSATURDAY]

I think Gripfast would be the closest they offer to the original Docs only because the outer stitching actually holds the upper. Solovair is, in fact the closest one can get to the original only because they're available with the split rear and without a steel cap.

[@adamnsandler1607]

how long do you think a pair of 1460 asian made are gnna last? it's my first pair and i can't stop wearing them, greetings1

[@JD-tl7ld]

Still have the same garbage sole as the rest. I'd be a little angry about spending good money on a decent pair of boots, only to have the sole worn smooth in 6 months.

[@brandonkey181]

Good thing you know better

[@ThisIsMeArnold]

These kinds of boots - you're meant to resole them over and over. The stock sole would quickly be replaced with something more modern and premium. Just need to hope that they aren't difficult to resole and have actually long-lasting leather.

[@Samuel-ge7im]

What a wonderful pair of boots

[@user-hj7yf6sz8n]

How much is this? When did u buy it? I can't find in your link

[@lriper4702]

No! Solovair is not what dr martens used to be... I have 4 pairs of them and I won’t buy another.. the soles last as long as those of MIE docs and their leather cracks in the same time docs do. And most importantly, their heels leather, “drops” down and touch the soles. They don’t have any support in them. At least docs have good support there

[@Emily-mc5ld]

How have the Pascal Horween's worn? I imagine they would collect a lot of character with wear! :)

[@justkangaroocourt]

so excited to watch this video :)

[@SAM_1010]

Everything looks bog standard dm issue even the soles are standard I bet even the leather is only a few bucks more they are nice boots but over priced boots and like most of the expensive range they don’t last long

[@Levi-hz2oy]

Yes, you pay £50 more just for the Horween leather. This leather is very soft and doesn't need as much break-in time as the normal MIE Doc-mart, which many people find scratchy at the beginning.

[@jon2xu]

Have the Oxblood ever been called Fire Engine Red ?

[@Thepam210]

Very nice colour

[@venca955]

Are you ever going to get any of your “doc style” boots resoled?

[@brandonkey181]

If he wants to keep them, then yes

[@fangsandfolklore8795]

Their made in England line are definitely superior all around.

[@FatalDaze]

Handsome boots and denim

[@BAR0NSATURDAY]

I really wish you'd check out the Solovair 11 eye Steel Toe or the Gripfast 10 eye.

[@DevonReviewer]

Probably wont cover steel toes as have no use for them, having worn them for work in the past my feeling is that they compromise comfort, so not something I would wear without needing to! Gripfast have been recommended on a couple of occasions so might do those at come point!

[@BAR0NSATURDAY]

@@DevonReviewer Well. The reason I recommend checking them out is because they have a very deep lug sole and they do hold up on that area much much longer.

[@HootieOxf]

Great looking boots and a lovely colour but they absorb water? So you need to treat them with a water repellent which will also change the colour? That’s a swerve for me. Best were the Made in England in the CF Stead waxy leather and the Bex soul which is extraordinarily better wearing.....see if you can seek those out to review. Nice channel!

[@seth_5394]

Veg tan leather isn't full of greases and oils like dual (chrome) tanned leathers. It's pretty dry.

[@shack7631]

Dr Martens went to court to copyright the yellow stiching in the boots. This forced Solovair, who made the original Dr Martens, to switch to a grey/white thread on their boots. This is the second style of DM boots which I have seen with this white stitching. I wonder would Dr Martens be so understanding if Solovair released a style of boot with yellow stiching?

[@HeroinesHeroH]

I'm so tempted on buying regular 1460 greasy docs for around 100€ in sale (normally they go for around 200€ here which is way too much for these). Question is should I go for it? I've been searching for a simple boot like that for some time and I'm tired of walking through winter in skate shoes.

[@seth_5394]

I have 1460 Greasy and like them a lot. Soft with no break in period.

[@ruthy8ruthy]

No

[@kartikchary]

Oh boy, you should have held onto those veg tanned leather boots, they just tend to age so beautifully.

[@ladyeclectic]

Is this the same Horween “Cavalier” leather they have advertised on their website now?

[@matttherrien9608]

This doesn't appear to be Cavalier Horween as the pigment is not on the inside. The Cavalier is drum dyed impregnating the colour surface to rear. I've done my homework. Standard Chromexel is hand stained keeping the flesh side natural, but it can also be drum dyed.

[@Tom_YouTube_stole_my_handle]

Would I be wrong to assume the Made in Englands are made in the Solovair factory?

[@user-kn8cp7jr3h]

You are right. Vintage collection making by NPS-solovair

[@kkinard2]

Would you use mink oil on these?

[@matttherrien9608]

A little late, anyway, not from what I've ascertained. A quality neutral coloured leather conditioner is recommended. Saphir is one.

[@reclusedman8538]

Are the made in England the same size, are they bigger or smaller then the ones made in Vietnam?

[@xeagleandhawkx]

In my experience, they’re ever so slightly narrower than the made in Vietnam unisex ones. Sort of feels like the DM women’s size widths, which are narrower

[@reclusedman8538]

@@xeagleandhawkx I have a pair of made in England now and they are a little longer. I did not notice they are narrower. Thank you!

[@maximous9993]

Horween Chromexcel is so much better. No patina on the veg tanned. Docs had chromexcel for a short period. I got burgundy chromexcel ones.

[@matttherrien9608]

If this isn't chromexcel than what Horween leather is it? I got black Cavalier chromexcel Docs, so I'd like to know they are. If he said it, sorry. Humour me if you will please. So I guess it's just natural vegetable tanned leather. Would I find off-putting is the tag even says it's extremely water- absorbent. Not much of a selling point huh. lol. At least the chromexcel it's a little more water resistant. How much did you pay for yours?

[@jonfetzek3053]

I'll just point out that veg tan leather is more environmentally friendly than chrome tanning. Not to mention that chrome tan process uses chromium6, which kills the people who are tanning the leather if they're not using proper protective gear (what are the odds of that happening in the developing world?). Chrome tan can also cause horrific skin reactions in people with sensitive skin.

[@joeskater5782]

I think air know why they removed the shank in Doc Martens. I’ve heard that the shank would break inside the boot, so they just removed it all together

[@DevonReviewer]

Interesting, the solovair still use the thin wood shank, it has held up fine but I guess the risk of breaking is there is the boots are used hard

[@joeskater5782]

@@DevonReviewer Maybe some people treat Solovairs like they have a harder shank causing it to break?

[@joeskater5782]

@@DevonReviewer And, does the British Boot Co. shop still have Solovairs with yellow stitching?

[@MotoGoato]

One of the nicest looking pairs of Docs for sure ... just a shame they still use the same old soles with no shank. Been through a few pairs of Docs in my time but these days would rather spend the money on heritage Red Wings or Chippewas.

[@martinsmith1525]

Just read threw some more comments. Seems to be a lot of disappointments about the souls. I have a few pairs of vintage 80s and 90s docs. On these, yes the souls are better, but not as comfortable to walk on and feel harder, compared to the modern doc martens which is a lot more softer to walk on. Their is also a bex soul on docs, if some feel the original soul too thin. Not saying the modern docs are better, but it is just my experience on it after walking miles in them. ! Another thing i find, moisture collects more inside pvc cells of the soul in the vintage docs then modern docs, what i mean is when your foot gets hot and condensation builds up inside the air cells. The leather is better though in the vintages. 👍

[@sidneygaylord477]

Got a similar pair today, had a sale almost $100 USD off from the normal price.

[@DevonReviewer]

Sounds like a good price!

[@DeadEarthRecords]

Same here, I think I bought the very last black pair!

[@xlxazzahkappahxlx]

💙💙💙

[@verykeen2please]

more steps in the right direction

[@UsernameInvalidTHIS]

6:50 cat looks how I feel here

[@Jay-rd6fe]

Such nice leather on a boot that u can pretty muvh not resole that will last maybe 6 months since docs soles are like marshmellows

[@Reverands]

Sale on Mr porter

[@78gagta78]

The black Horween have the original yellow stitching, but both black and brown are overpriced for what you actually get. Lat time on Solovair website they had 6 hole derby in Horween so hopefully they will offer the 8 hole, Solovair is just a better boot all around

[@matttherrien9608]

I didn't know that Solovair had products with Horween. Is it still available?

[@78gagta78]

@@matttherrien9608 Yes, They still have the six hole derby Horween in black, brown & burgundy for $270. they also have a soft leather lining. All around they are worth the money, but for me I have been wearing eight hole Dr Martens for over thirty five years so if Solovair would make these Horween boots in the eight eye I would 100% get them. Anyway I would 100% recomend the six hole if you like the look, Solovair makes better quality boots than Martens for around the same price.

[@matttherrien9608]

I bought the eight hole Pascal Cavalier Horween Docs. Black, white welt stitching on a smoked grey sole with a white stitched upper. To me, they just scream class. Check 'em out!

[@78gagta78]

@@matttherrien9608 Those are 100% on my list, I recently got Made In England Horween ripple sole Docs, The soles are super comfortable and the leather is soft with not like breaking in typical Docs painful leather just perfect out of the box. They made so many one off short run boots that are killer but hard to find new.

[@matttherrien9608]

Question for you my friend. Do you not subscribe to what appears to be the popular consensus on videos related to this that even the MIE Docs nowadays are garbage?

[@kevinleyva3003]

I’ve always wanted a pair of Dr Martinis but I feel they fit so poorly. It seems as if there’s too much leather around the foot and ankle, as well as the lack of a proper shank.

[@aurelian9702]

Hah I got a doc marten ad on this video

[@daveadam435]

You can get the for £155 if you shop around !

[@bethm7518]

Do you know any sites?

[@joewellfair8238]

Hold on, I know this is an old vid but are you really saying that 8 months ago those were the prices? Even the standard Chinese ones start at 150 now! How on earth could they be able to double prices in less than a year? My mind is blown.

[@teddybear9029]

All the docs I’ve had the tongues end up tearing, they always seem very thin so I won’t be purchasing anymore.

[@alibehrami8573]

you can get them resoled

[@matttherrien9608]

There are third parties that used authentic soles as well, yes?

[@daveodanger]

Better off buying some redwings or something of similar quality. But to be honest I’ve never liked docs.

[@lriper4702]

So why you spent time to watch this video?

[@daveodanger]

@@lriper4702 because I was curious that they would be any better. They’re not. Solved the bee in my bonnet. Now I know they’re defo not worth the price, even with the good leather. Shouldn’t need to explain that. Simpleton.

[@drschlump7832]

@@daveodanger good man

[@josuesalgado8200]

Perronas

[@letoemsa2432]

Yes, the leather is great, but the sole won't last long.

[@BingoBongoBingerz]

Horween leather is used in Thorogood and other US made boots. It's actually a very time consuming process to make veg tan leather. Unfortunately the uppers won't be appreciated. The sole will wear with 6 months to a year. So you wont really get that lovely patina. Although you will get to appreciate the break in. Same they didn't provide a better structured sole for this price. Let alone a shank. Even use a black leather true good year welt. I'm not keen in the white stitching. For £239 these are awful. So many US and UK made brands with far superior quality and finish than doc martens. Nothing more than 5 minute fashion

[@fasjosmaxu4029]

Would you send me your mail?

[@seth_5394]

I still don't understand how some of you wear out soles so quickly. Either the sidewalks in England are made of 100 grit sandpaper or you have a very heavy step.

[@owcooling]

They are close

[@jonathanjonathan7386]

nah we just dont drive as much as americans, i dont have a car and walk around 1,000 miles a year

[@jodyrowe8166]

That horween leather is not vegtan

[@MasterofPlay7]

Just go red wing, best bang for the bucks

[@BosworthMcG]

As someone else eloquently posted somewhere, “ if you wanna look like Joe Strummer, wear docs. If you wanna look like a clown, get red wings “

[@telbenj]

I brought a pair of 1460 black after not having a pair for over 20 years very disappointed they are now rubbish and no where near their hiked up price now days I shall not be buying another pair

[@RichardWilliams-sn7tt]

Excellent video, however, the boot is a POS.

[@Mile-long-list]

The material they make them out of makes little difference its HOW they make them. Terribly put together, buy something else like Thursday or redwing. The made in England doc martens are no better. Dont do it.

[@BHJ7115]

Not a great boot, but a popular one.

[@colonialrepmmaintenance1264]

I have owned many Doc Martin 1460s in my life all the ones I bought in the last 10 maybe 12 years have been junk

[@ruthy8ruthy]

I'm surprised you continue to buy this crap considering you should now know what constitutes a good boot

[@saudakar9004]

How to pay tons of money for a shitty boot

[@StolenAlias]

Docs are just 👎

[@sputumtube]

I used to love my DM's but this is taking the piss. £239.? Seriously? Sounds to me like they're just seeing what they can get away with. At this price they're getting into Red Wing territory which are better constructed and longer lasting. DM's have never been anything more than a boot version of a training shoe. Have a look at the website to see what kind of people are wearing them. It's hilarious.

[@jonathanjonathan7386]

docs used to be a hard wearing working mans boot but yeh the modern docs are shit and the woke advertising is a joke

[@man4evil]

still garbage :(

[@BJyelhsA]

I bought some Horween Chromexcel docs on black Friday sale for £140. Beautiful navy blue/green leather with a lovely pull up and an interesting Ziggy sole which has loads of tread.

[@DevonReviewer]

I think thats a great deal, glad you are enjoying them.. I would like to try the ziggy sole for scientific purposes someday.. but such a lot of other boots I want to try too!

[@BJyelhsA]

@@DevonReviewer thanks, great so far. I'm trying to find some really good boots that are fully waterproof for walking through muddy fields and festivals. i was recommended Altberg recently, I will check them out. Any other suggestions welcome too.