Devserver First Impression : Su-34

[@TimsVariety]

Poll for which aircraft to cover first: kzbin.info/door/ZBS-p8TUtglU1y9plof3Rwcommunity?lb=UgkxsiXnRAqw-BfyKeyv-oVXJ6wM52GEgcxY

[@Scorchluck]

The main intrigue of this patch: does the weapons operator on the Su-34 have mustaches?

[@Namkify]

Damn 14 seconds, last time i was this early, she told me she needed a break

[@CarolusR3x]

Bro actually has a fight or flight response when it comes to women 💀

[@AlteryxGaming]

That’s rough buddy

[@jimbobhootenanny4440]

You get 14 seconds LUCKY!

[@jaek__]

that’s about 3x longer than i last

[@georgearrivals]

Skill issue.

[@vidra8191]

Dunno if you noticed but they FINALLY made spo15 and spo10 functional in the cockpit including the su 24 rwr

[@krystian0128]

RWR FUNCTIONAL WHAT???

[@darykeng]

They did?! Although wait... IIRC it was also functional on last DEV for Dance of the Dragons, but was never released, same with moving gunpods on Su-24M

[@darykeng]

Still, if they actual implemented SPO-15... Wonder if it full functional (signal strength, above/below indicator, priority warning)

[@Boris_The_Turtle]

3:40 For those wondering, every guided weapon (laser, TV, GPS) regardless of range on stat card is hard capped at 20km because sight stabilization on targeting cameras (both native and pods) does not function.

[@isaac.w3638]

Sometimes even the rendering distance (on max setting) also handicapped all those weapons

[@lianoz3632]

6:03 MY EYES!

[@AshenVanguard]

Man, this beuty of a plane was my main workhorse in Ace Combat 7! When it came to ground attack missions

[@ulfhedtyrsson]

I wish they would categorize some of these like the F111 at high tier jets as bombers so they can be used for dailies and challenges

[@hybrid_grizzly]

My last aircraft in Ace Combat Zero, beautiful aircraft imo There's a mission in the Su-27 campaign in DCS where you escort one at low level and I spent the mission in close formation looking respectfully

[@BleedingUranium]

One of my very favourite modern jets, it's just looks so darn good! Thanks as always for the coverage! :)

[@andrew9021]

4:02 for specifically launching them at bases at the beginning of a match, there is a special key bind that lets you directly lock bombing targets in air RB from any distance, so for that specific use case, the range limit on the TV camera is not an issue. EDIT: I see u talked about that in the test flight, and that's basically what happens. You can launch 6 of them at a base (that's how many you need to completely destroy a base) right after you take off, RTB, and grab some air to air weapons and the missiles will just do their thing for some pretty easy extra RP.

[@confusedbud]

This plane is such a silly-looking thing. Love it

[@Chetanoo]

It's just a silly little duck

[@cameroncarley7958]

Duck 🦆

[@razvy6949]

​@@cameroncarley7958🦆

[@RedStarAero]

Silly duck :3 🦆

[@jackmcfann]

The Blyatapus

[@sicksixgamer2694]

Felt that F bomb. Bro was frustrated.

[@Kaldosthesergal]

I have a feeling this aircraft will be amazing for air-to-air fighter with that radar set

[@guvyygvuhh298]

Not entirely, the radar looks to be rly good but it gets r77s (garbo at long range) and no HMD (at least for now)

[@sooryan_1018]

NO HMD???? OMG TRASH

[@Kaldosthesergal]

@@guvyygvuhh298 true, should still be a CAS beast

[@guvyygvuhh298]

@@Kaldosthesergal Oh fot sure, even without Kh38s this thing has some rly nice options, 6 kab 500Krs or 6 Kh 29TDs, a few version of the fab 1500 mini nuke (not super useful since even 100kg guided bombs can 1 shot a tank) and its quite fast and agile.

[@dimitrisfragiadakis1468]

I have been following this game for like 9 months straight so far and it has advanced so much in this timeframe. Tons of new planes, munitions, stealth aircraft introduction etc

[@jimyeetast9335]

I love your break downs, thanks for the info!!

[@Kroha_Kevin]

6 R-27ET is wild

[@DrClef_1]

largely useless. IRCCM is only on paper, takes 2 flares to deflect

[@darykeng]

​@@DrClef_1 Yes, but... It still pretty absurd. Plus if enemy thinks you're firing radar missile they might just rely on altitude antipod

[@DrClef_1]

@@darykeng idk, that usually happens with them flaring and chaffing constantly + ET can only lock onto things at around 10km~ ish, and at that engagement distance everyone always preflares and goes defensive. So long range ir missiles are largely dead

[@RedTail1-1]

​@@DrClef_1if I can still catch people with the R-24T(more often than with the R-24R being one chaffed), the R-27ET is still useful.

[@DrClef_1]

@@RedTail1-1 gambling on people being unaware of your presence and your missiles is what cost me a lot of wasted armaments and eventual deaths. I'd take 77 over ET for that reason any day, despite how 💩 77 is.

[@Android_ELITE]

9:26 the radar isn't biased towards your teammate because they're your teammate, it's biased towards them because it's a much better return due to relative velocity. you can see that once the enemy is turned around and picks up closing speed the radar immediately locks them instead. it's not a bug.

[@TimsVariety]

Its been a bug for years, regardless of range, targeting mode, or radar mode. If you've never run into it, Anubis bless you, because a lot of players have radar slide off enemy targets onto friendlies very frequently and you should consider yourself lucky. In that particular 2-second moment from the vid, its fairly easy to look back after the fact and do a frame-by-frame analysis, but in the moment and having suffered through the slide-to-friendly bug for years, it felt like more of the same nonsense.

[@gus554]

​@@TimsVarietythought it was because the red targeting box was pulling your lock to its target

[@DankoMe]

I was waiting for this plane since the jets arrived... I know it just my personal preference but this is the most beautiful combat jet ever

[@elgadz]

10:27 "what the f*ck was that" Topgun Su-57 ahh moment

[@sausageside442]

I love ram fighting duels, where performance of the air frame matters most. I cant wait to start dueling su34's with their insane maneuverability.

[@PlayerAfricanChieften]

the true highlight of this update

[@mr.marauder2982]

Fun fact the SU 25SM3 with its KH 38 MTs the moment you spawn you immediately have at least 20 to 30 seconds to find a target and launch before you go into range of AA or get within 1 km or mile

[@rulebretgne5244]

6 Groms per base, and at 7km altitude, you can get about 50km in range. The Kh-38MT gives you a thermal view

[@Kittalumi16]

Rear radar was planed, but it stayed on paper On real planes there is an APU instead

[@TimsVariety]

All I'm going to say is that sources differ wildly on that point, depending what you read.

[@Emma-i9x]

I mean you also have the YAK 141, which never carried any weaponry

[@darykeng]

​@@Emma-i9xYak-141 was intended to reciev weapons and related systems of not for the whole dissolutions of the Soviet Union and badget issues following it

[@Emma-i9x]

@@darykeng many projects got cancelled for one or the other reason. The cold war ending is one of them. So no Saturn V nuclear upper stage etc. So we could say the P1000 was intended to exist, but the end of WW2 lead to it not existing. Same reasoning.

[@Ghent_Halcyon]

⁠@@Emma-i9xthe end of world war 2 was not the reason the P1000 didn’t exist. It was literally because they didn’t have enough resources and it just wasn’t possible or effective.

[@MaxerGamex]

im going to use the su34 for air combat more than the su27 because it actually has a radar

[@TimsVariety]

The radar set, at least on the devserver, feels a LOT more capable than the Su-27s, no question.

[@sergarlantyrell7847]

I wish they would update the cockpits of the WW2 and early cold war era planes... Stuff I'm ever likely to have access to (or to be honest, even be interested in, with the missile spam meta).

[@TimsVariety]

I frequently bug them about the old cockpits, and missing 1940s/1950s aircraft. It feels like screaming into the void, but I still try - nothing to lose, right?

[@sergarlantyrell7847]

@@TimsVariety Have they just forgotten those vehicles still exist? My only hope is that there aren't that many more modern vehicles to add, so sooner or later, they're going to have to go back in time to keep adding things as super props and jet gun fighters are my favourite. 😥 Nothing like advertising to new players with vehicles they're not realistically going to be able to unlock within the first 2-3 years... But in the meantime, have some placeholder cockpits or else ones that look like they've come straight from combat flight simulator 2003.

[@farawayseal]

The grom-1 will probably be pretty busted in air sim, you'd be able to select the target before you take off climb to 1500-2000m, launch and land, with very little counterplay unless the enemy is pretty much camping your airfield, and not to mention spamming them at enemy airfields

[@chief8559]

One of fav jets actually coming

[@Panocek]

Groms will be MVP in Air Sim to farm bases across the map, ARB is way too small for that to work + base will likely to get snatched before glide toys arrive.

[@kingkea3451]

Gaijin: "Brimstone too powerful so we'll nerf it" Also Gaijin: "Let's give Russia the Pantsir and the Kh-38" Edit: Yes, I agree the Brimstone's milliwave radar and LOAL modes would be OP, but restricting it purely to SAL and not even implementing a basic FnF mode like the Maverick... Come on Gaijin. Russia's getting both laser and IR guided versions of the Kh-38. Yes, they don't get an IR pod, but the TV one still has insane zoom.

[@Emma-i9x]

3:50 I hope the game engine finally get's improved, so you can target and see stuff with the targeting pod further out

[@kajmak64bit76]

You can bomb bases by using the Switch bombing mission target thing from any range really Alternatively you might be able to use 3rd person to put down the point at any range aswell like targeting pod does but in third person view

[@Emma-i9x]

3:05 and they won't give the Brimstone it's ARH capability

[@TimsVariety]

Yeah I had a lot of comments about that through my feedback channel to the snail. They say they dont want to implement something "that has no counterplay" as they add in another Kh-38 carrier and the Pantsir S1 still exists, neither of which have a reliable counterplay..... (I mean, I suppose you can just not spawn in if you're facing top-tier soviets?.....)

[@Skinny6539]

gaijin at its finest, they could at the very least give it simple IR or TV seeker so it can be fire and forget, but they went out of their way to make it laser guided so you can only launch on 1 target at once (of course you can chain them but that wont be too practical with how they and the tornado fly, especially since youll most likely be fighting multiple spaa “pantsirs” at once, plus enemy fighters.)

[@TheWarthog2012]

Like are you fucking kidding me, if brimstone had arh it would TRACK MOVING TARGETS through the clouds, it'd be the ONLY weapon in the game that is able to do such kind of shenanigans

[@tomfahey2823]

​​@@TimsVarietyIsn't the counterplay to the Kh-38 to simply move? I've only just unlocked the Su25SM3, but my experience with Russian/Soviet TV guided missiles is that they will only lock the ground up to about 7-8km away, only after which are they able to actually track a moving target (by which point, a VT-1 will be seconds away from blowing up your cockpit). From what I've read, the (TV-guided) Kh-38 only extends this out to about 9-10km.

[@derick115_1]

I noticed they moved the hit+80sl back to the bottom of the screen ofter so many years

[@Chilliestjoker]

the radar not tracking the enemy wasnt a bug, the enemy was closing at a lower rate compared to the friendly so the pulse doppler picked him up instead

[@TimsVariety]

See other comment chains discussing this. Radar sliding off red to blue has been a problem for years regardless of range, speed, targeting mode, etc - and in the moment, without the benefit of watching it after the fact, it felt like more of the same nonsense.

[@kajmak64bit76]

That shouldn't be possible because friendly has IFF on and the radar should have the ability to ignore friendly targets

[@TimsVariety]

@@kajmak64bit76 Some folks insist otherwise, but in my experience IFF has never worked properly.

[@lilgloomfnord]

su30sm i need you

[@FirstDagger]

1:58 Because the rear radar was never a thing in production models.

[@TimsVariety]

All I'll say for now is "sources differ".

[@Dominator2930]

6 kh38MTs on a supersonic jet. This thing will be nasty in ground. already with the su25m3 you can usually get 2 kills with the 4 38MTs lobbing them off quickly after spawn

[@Anti-Villain-Wolf]

6 million golden eagles? Wow Tim! lol

[@TimsVariety]

Devserver. The snail gives me a dumptruck full of GEs on there so I can pick the new stuff up and make vids with it quickly. None of it carries over to live, unfortunately.

[@Anti-Villain-Wolf]

@@TimsVariety that sucks

[@RedTail1-1]

I guess this update is Strike Fighter focused. Entirely Ground RB. No one can really complain we just had dedicated Air Superiority updates.

[@TimsVariety]

My gut tells me the december update is going to have some more conventional fighters.

[@Asspiss100]

7:00 man i say that almost every day😭

[@justinsears7543]

I take out my su39 into air rb with “fuck it” in mind lol

[@spookygulag9342]

They need to inc the range for planes targeting pod. Like Panstir' can lauch at targets at 24km/ while jets can do that only at 20. Plus in Air Rb it will be nice to able to lock further than 20km

[@darykeng]

24km if the target just flying in a straight line. Beyond 15km missile already lost most of it energy and gets unresponsive (I swear people need to stop looking at stat cards and rely on enemies being dumber than US mains who cry for 9X)

[@spookygulag9342]

@darykeng i mean in general, we have weaponry which can be used further , at least in air games , why not to make it actually long range

[@SourYogurt09]

Attack the d point!

[@snarkan4412]

Platypus! Did they fully model the on-board toilet?

[@christopherchartier3017]

Fr???

[@Finelbell]

I believe so

[@TimsVariety]

Its difficult to get a clear look. After the patch is live, I'm planning to take a look in replay freecam, if nothing else its good for a quick joke.

[@BleedingUranium]

This is quite a tangent, but seeing as it's plane and toilet related: If anyone here played Battlefield 1, the giant Ilya Muromets bomber (originally an airliner) was the world's first airplane with a toilet (in 1913!).

[@FallenPriest101]

I use grom 1 in spading the su 34 you need at least 6 of them to destroy a base, i usually fire them around 10 km or 20 because when the after burner is gone they are really slow and other players can steal your base.. i tried to launch them 50 km and still got the base its a larger map. 720 point for base

[@cvnt-x5t]

It is not usual night vision... but something better and unique

[@BigCrazieTJ]

It’s not limiting when you bleed all your energy cuz at that speed you can cobra

[@ottermanuk]

Grinding bases for unspaded top tier planes gonna be even worse with these bad boys on your team lmao

[@PoopWT]

9:28 I feel the pain

[@TimsVariety]

The real killer is - given how much of a problem that bug has been for YEARS now, even when its something else (friendly is closer, have friendly selected by accident with cyclic, whatever) it FEELS like the stupid slide-off bug in the moment.

[@hybrid_grizzly]

9:37 it's not a bug, the friendly was closer so the radar grabbed the strongest return, don't use ACM mode if friendlies are close to the enemy you're trying to lock

[@TimsVariety]

This has been a problem for years, regardless of range or targeting mode.

[@NathanIrizarry1]

@@TimsVariety I’m sorry but that one was a skill issue. If you used search mode it wouldn’t have been an issue.

[@mortexic4939]

@@NathanIrizarry1 You don't know that since like he said its been a bug for years. Radar locks bounce off enemy aircraft onto friendlies all the time no matter what targeting you use. Considering that Tim literally "wrote the book" (in a video sense) on how to operate radars, I don't think "skill issue" is the phrase to use as it implies someone being a bumbling idiot too clumsy to walk and chew gum at the same time. If you think it was an error, thats fine nobody is perfect, but try not to act like he's a complete fucking moron who cant tie his shoes by saying he has "skill issue" on a topic he clearly knows a hell of a lot more about than we do.

[@TimsVariety]

@@mortexic4939 Guys don't argue please. People always over-scrutinize 4 second snipits of gameplay footage after the fact, it doesn't matter.

[@sair.l5314]

Supersonic plane + Kh38 missile = OP This is what i think of Su34. Unlike Su25sm3, this new toy can carry Kh38 and Grom, plus R77 to attack air targets. Ground Rb is gonna be destroyed....

[@KaguyasBeat]

It's the duck headed Flanker!

[@johnsmith91528]

🦆

[@soldat88hun]

Are there no custom battles on the dev server? couldn't you set up a match for testing

[@TimsVariety]

Custom battle results aren't a reliable indicator.

[@soldat88hun]

@@TimsVariety No offense, but what do you mean? Wasn't the goal just to showcase air to ground weapons? As far as I know you can select one of the air maps, set the BR and it's pretty much the same experience as with normal except lessened RNG. Granted I've never done any testing, but I also haven't noticed anything besides no rewards for the match.

[@OldinaryChimera]

I can't wait for the nerf to fm

[@ToyotaTechnical]

They still haven't fixed the radar bug?

[@TimsVariety]

Its been a thing for years, and I've seen a ton of complains in addition to what I've sent. I can't even get anyone from the snail to comment about it on the record.

[@TheIrishBread]

Gonna have to update that radar video again tims lol

[@TimsVariety]

I covered ground targeting in my existing radar vid, it doesnt look like any new mechanics are being added this time around.

[@Modelstl063]

Guys when will the dev server be up until ? Please answer

[@teodordimdal6313]

Oct. 31

[@2goober4u]

Can all 6 grom missiles destroy a base in a real match?

[@irfanhafizhbuntoro3772]

did Su-34 really have rear facing N-012 radar or is it just a myth? There is genuinely not many info

[@TimsVariety]

Sources differ, but Jane's says yes and they're generally reliable.

[@missel-skibidi]

its cool

[@RogueKnight423]

Is the premium Su 22 worth it? I always loved it but no one is telling me what its like besides me test flying

[@TimsVariety]

Depending what model it is, I probably have a review of it up.

[@pedrofm30]

F15E next! Thanks!

[@TimsVariety]

F-15E first impression will publish later tonight or tomorrow morning.

[@nicolaspeigne1429]

But the British can't get FaF brimstones because that would be too powerful...

[@flexelsson1625]

Thats not the reason theyre not adding them as FnF at all. Its cuz the fnf mode is literally just 'go for first thing it sees'

[@nicolaspeigne1429]

@@flexelsson1625 they can make it what they want, it's not the first time they would've put something inaccurate for balance purposes.

[@iantownsend7092]

My fav plane

[@Teser]

You are a little mistaken, the su 34 has a thermal imager, but it is only available on the h 38MT

[@TimsVariety]

Thats part of the weapon, no the plane.

[@obli1680]

that exhaust is siiiick. have they revamped all the exhaust flames (like the burners on old jets too)?

[@TimsVariety]

I took a quick look at the Mig-19 which has notoriously awful looking afterburners, and they were much better. I don't know if its "all" but its at least "some" older jets got the revamp.

[@RT42069]

Fun fact: this jet has a toilet and kitchen in the back of the cockpit

[@Grafvollundr]

Cockpit shitter module

[@vladimirvojtaml]

No HMD is nonsense because the plane has it irl.

[@theairmenrager6556]

Looks like some ace combat stuff lol

[@mab2187]

Now that I think about it, the Su-34 is redundant when there's a Su-30. The Su-30 is a full fledge multirole ver of the Flanker family. Good at air and ground attacks. & its more agile then the Flankers with the upgraded ver with its Canards and TVC (except the Su-35 which its on par), it has the typical easy to manufacture design of a tandem seat arrangement vs this side by side that requires additionals changings and Fullback is extremely heavy. So yea the Fullback is redundant when we have a Flanker H.

[@darykeng]

Yes, the sole purpose of Su-34 is being "Frontline bomber", not multirole fighter and not be CAS aircraft (Su-25 still covers that field quite well)

[@mab2187]

@@darykeng Any jet with bombs/AGM can become a frontline fighter/attacker/bomber, the 34 still needs to enter the target area and return home safely.

[@ИгорьДьяченко-з1я]

It is. Largely hanging on institutional inertia and the fact that Su-34 and Su-30 are produced by different plants.

[@aghressor]

Are there any rumors about the addition of JDAM-ER and UMPK glide bombs? I hate that we got cruise missiles instead

[@ИгорьДьяченко-з1я]

GBU-39 and GROM-2 are glide bombs

[@tortillag7053]

F15E next!!

[@TimsVariety]

Yes, either later tonight or tomorrow morning.

[@derf5045]

you didnt mention the toilet in the cockpit, dissapointed (DISCLAIMER, ITS NOT A REAL TOILET, DONT TRY IT IN VR)

[@uranium3000]

hope we actually get a fully working PESA radar instead of a conventional pd again

[@popajedilive3631]

Pantsir is a PESA

[@mrprism5382]

Now feel free to correct me, but shouldnt a model of the Su-34M have thermal imaging on the inbuilt targeting pod?

[@TimsVariety]

They're calling it the Su-34, non M, making me think its intended to be one of the earlier models, but I'll wait until the update goes live to draw final conclusions.

[@mrprism5382]

@TimsVariety What gets me is that it uses the Grom-1/2, both rather recent developments (2015), but who knows, maybe we'll see it being bug reported to hell and back

[@aax960]

early for sonce? damn, also funny hell duck, quack quack!

[@Ccaraaa]

has anyone checked if that "PESA" radar is any harder to notch than a regular PD radar? If it is it could make the R27ERs even stronger

[@TimsVariety]

I haven't done controlled testing, but at a quick glance it seems they made the PESA radar just scan faster. I'm waiting for some datamines/datadumps before drawing conclusions.

[@mandofett2645]

dubs

[@guvyygvuhh298]

I rly hope they don't trash the flight model bcz of the ordinance it gets like they did with the mig 29s and su 27s, this thing being a super agile airbrake looks to be very fun

[@Nero-Caesar]

sad we didn't get the fab glide bombs

[@Medic427]

But does it come with the “toilet” and “kitchen?”

[@blumpfreyfranks8863]

I wonder if Gaijin modelled the toilet in the cockpit

[@xXManhattanProjectXx]

It's even got a toilet

[@timothygoodwin3287]

does the Su-34 have the dark grey skin?

[@ARC282-wc4mt]

Guys USSR tech tree didn't have NEARLY enough CAS aircraft this was a necessary addition!!!

[@TimsVariety]

2 or 3 more Su-25 variants incoming soon.

[@ARC282-wc4mt]

@@TimsVarietyoh god what variants even are there left to add

[@TimsVariety]

@@ARC282-wc4mt they'll dig out some discontinued trainer version that never went anywhere and throw it in as a premium or something again.

[@kurnass2000]

@@ARC282-wc4mtsu25utg, ukaranian su25utg premium, su25utg 2 seater, su25sm, su25tm and finally the su25 with western equipment and Hmd

[@MajorMorrozov]

well. Seeing as this performs far far worse than any su-27 in real life. and is immensely heavy compared to them. how about they fix the su27?

[@janusz4156]

Star of Ace Combat series. 35 years of Su-34 "Fullback" in 2025.

[@ЭдикфуфикФуфик]

Electronic wrestling is installed on it in real life. Where is she, why isn't she in the game? where are the special sensors for repelling threats

[@tobilikebacon]

nr 1 redditor

[@rahmanlinux9602]

No thermal yikes

[@Belenor]

Plays alot better than IRL, they get shot down all the time by old spaas.

[@lynx-alpha2073]

Those groms are going to ruin sim matches. Just take off shoot land

[@flexelsson1625]

It isnt getting groms anymore. US mains cried enough that they werent top dog so.

[@bigtony4930]

​@@flexelsson1625russian main detected, opinion invalidated.

[@flexelsson1625]

@bigtony4930 German main, actually.

[@War_Gaming_RUS]

@@bigtony4930 nato main detected, opinion invalidated.

[@gansior4744]

You know what russia needed? Another Heli, another strike aircraft and another Prototype

[@weltall7283]

yippee new tim vid before I head off to work. Wanted to ask for your personal opinion on something, do you agree that it's weird that groms weren't nerfed but brimstones on the tornado were?

[@owenreid104]

Groms don’t have a lock on capability

[@TimsVariety]

I'll say that I think their **justification** for the Brimstone nerf is a little flimsy since several other weapons "without a counterplay" are already in the game..... it seems selectively applied.