Extreme Speed Hiker with 6 Jousting Lances | Brotato Abyssal Terrors

[@RealLifeCaptain]

Thanks have some beer on me 😂

[@DexTag]

This is now the third time in a row and I honestly don't know what to say, thank you so much and it's very much (still) appreciated haha And despite the risk of becoming repetitive, I know its your money BUT PLEASE BE AWARE OF HOW MUCH THIS IS and if that really makes sense :D I don't want to sound unthankful, quite the opposite is the case, I just mean to maybe tune it down! I already appreciate anyone watching and just having fun! :)

[@mercerwing1458]

That's a lotta bear, my guy drying to make Dex become an alcoholic

[@adanishguy1987]

@@mercerwing1458 When you're so thirsty that you crack a bear to satiate yourself.

[@jio21]

how are we supposed to match this guy

[@vincentvangochhh2495]

Bier ist kein problem 😂

[@DexTag]

There will be a Hiking Stick run, but all of them failed except for one where I got STUPID amounts of luck with curses. So yea, that's not the way to do it

[@magnuscarlsson9969]

I did a baby run with hiking sticks today, super hilarious with 24 hiking sticks flooding you with +range and considering the amount of sticks the range modifier to AS is barely noticeable. What's even more hilarious was to find the DEX-troyer legendary sword shame i didn't exactly have the stats to properly wield it, but being able to throw it to the edge of the screen was still kind of fun by itself, the wave i died i had so much range i could see the DEX-troyer fly away just to be gone for a few seconds... guess it just kept on flying.

[@ducktes]

I did it on danger 3 with cursed power gen. Danger 5 probably not possible

[@Dario__]

Nevermind, maybe harvesting route with tasers and a ton of attack speed

[@darthkarl99]

Honestly i just don't think he's meant to do danger 5, though the devs did buff him quite a bit and nerf the new zone a good bit. Also any alternate sources of income are absolutely king. Bag maybe not because +speed tends to come with -luck, but otherwise yeah go full alt sources, so go crit for hunting trophy.

[@magnuscarlsson9969]

@@darthkarl99 To be fair if the devs want a easy fix to the hiker, they should just make the materials he gain from walking count toward the experience required to level up. Even some of my better runs I'm at least about 10-12 levels behind what is considered normal at the last wave... and he will never catch up not even if you focus massively on level related bonuses. So the main issue is that he have a significantly higher risk of falling behind and that often cause you to fall even further behind. This is also why the hiking stick is the best weapon for him, since it can scale with itself you are more free to pick up defenses with the few level ups you get.

[@MSivonen]

My strategy for hiker is working quite well; when you select the character, press altF4 immediately, go sit in a corner and sob uncontrollably.

[@hi-i-am-atan]

the secret i found with this guy is to go four lances, two hiking sticks, and don't hardsac range. range might seem silly when you've gone all melee and have all that speed to control your positioning, but also: all that speed makes it hard to control your position _with any degree of precision,_ so the extra range lets just ignore that problem entirely and zoom around while stabbing things with plenty of buffer room to move around in. plus while the range does impact your single target dps in theory, in practice the extra threat range and active frames on all those stabby weapons will plow through crowds incidentally and let you just focus on staying within range of whoever you're trying to focus there's a bit of a golden synergy between speed and range that becomes more obvious when you get a good run of accumulating both, and that's that speed means you close the distance between you and a priority target in less time and range means there's less distance you need to cover in the first place. plus, one issue with range is how too much of it can force you to manually focus down a target with left-click since it makes it easier for your weapons to get distracted by other enemies, but with a lot of speed? you can just zoom out of range of the other enemies for the time you need to focus-fire something, then zoom back towards the crowd once that's down and they'll already be back to covering every direction. once you get a handle on the amount of map control that the combo gives, there's a flow to the waves that's p. damn effective at just avoiding danger altogether

[@magnuscarlsson9969]

Honestly the hikers biggest issue is far from the weapon choices in general. He's a character who get very little experience and honestly allowing his "walking materials" to be counted as exp would fix most of the issues with the character. My recommendation is to just take 6/6 walking sticks for the harvesting bonus, then just grab harvesting early on to compensate a bit. Usually when you play the game levels ain't exactly noticeable sometimes you are ahead sometimes you are a bit behind, but most of the time you are able to level at least once per stage... the hiker on the other hand will always be behind no matter what you do and near the end it's massive about 10 levels worth of stats. Best thing to do with him is seriously to ignore everything related to attacks speed and instead push to hit hard and far which is fairly easy with the hiking sticks, just pick melee dmg but more importantly %-dmg and decent speed, no need to go overboard, in fact it feels like speed both increase the "length of a step" and how many steps you take so the bonus beyond certain points just seem non-existent.

[@SephirothRyu]

A certain blue hedgehog would like you to know: "You're too slow!"

[@jaeusa160]

When you move faster than light, you can only live in darkness.

[@christophpoll784]

And a lot of ultra-hard x-ray-radiation from the direction you are running to

[@brando9781]

I hope that when you get your item you don't put it in the title or thumbnail so its a surprise for us all

[@unlucky1933]

Dex : Get wisdom. Also Dex : Why's my damage too low? And why I suddenly can kill the enemy?

[@SimonLevermann]

This dude was insanely hard. Without wave reset and hiking sticks it took a real lucky run for me

[@MrBoborawr09]

Need to pick up xp up to counter the 50% level ups from -50% material and the hiking sticks can win lategame

[@modithorson5261]

"If you don't play the game, I'm fine!" - Dex, 2024.

[@isaacribeiro6823]

"balls are evil specially when they are not washed" - Dex, 2024

[@drbonzonew]

That's reference to "War Games (1983)" :)

[@twodeeblue]

Wave 4 shop had a super epic feel. League op time isn't only when a new character comes out. Lux gets one every time she gets a new skin

[@Beutings]

Got a nutty run with Hiker and six of those new walking cane weapons. They don't seem that good on paper, but the fact that they scale with range makes them really good over time.

[@drbob212]

At last you stopped watching Jeef and you uploaded!!!

[@chaosscott5682]

Hiker seems like a character who should be built like the pacifist. You dont need to defeat enemies to earn money, its just a bonus. Cant wait for the dlc to hit console because i want to try using knockback with hiking sticks to see how well I can use it to run around the map.

[@johncenas8942]

Yo dex I got a crazy mod idea that might not even be possible, increase the fisherman’s curse gain by 100% but he can only get curse by killing cursed enemies, that means if you have 50 curse and buy something that increases curse it would remain at 50 curse

[@ardajwtg1790]

Hello Dex. I was just messing with curse stat and the farmer with cursed pruners and a lot of structure speed can LITERALLY outscale the harvesting decrease u should try it imo

[@notbotheredable]

The successful run I had with this guy involved alien eyes and really leaning into his HP gain.

[@zzzzzzzzzPP]

I wonder if the steps are unrelated to the distance traveled or speed and just depend on the walking animation itself

[@magnuscarlsson9969]

Bit of both in my opinion. Speed for sure have diminishing returns, at least when it comes to us as players. I guess if we could keep walking in one direction it would always be worth it to take speed, but since we need to sometimes stop, turn etc. more and more of the distance we travel turn into the step animation more so then multiple steps taken. Most of my successful runs with the walking stick in general I've had decent speed around 130% or so but beyond this point I didn't notice much of a difference in how many stats i gained per wave, not to mention after a certain point it just become harder to dodge stuff since the character move further then you intend too... even while stutter stepping since you travel further per step animation.

[@syilpharhea]

Well, I don't know if you're playing it wrong, but around this patch, I used to play full jousting lance hiker pretty heavily and I dealt pretty hefty damage on the first elite, enough to comfortably kill them, this was back when hiker still had -15% speed instead of -5% Granted it feels like you're getting too little material, I don't quite remember how much I made, but I'm pretty sure it's more than 300 by waves 10

[@martineuw4462]

Really hoped for endless hiking stick run, its really fun😂

[@SoinedGamedev]

Would be interesting to see you play the 'Helen in Hell' demo on steam :D Since you are good at brotato, you might crush even the very hard content o.O

[@DontWorryBeCurry]

It's honestly so refreshing to hear you talk about how annoying and bad this character is. I've been playing it for the last two days - it's the last of the new characters I have left to beat on Danger 5 - and when you dropped this video I was pre-frustrated that you were going to just wreck it. You saying this character is too hard and poorly designed felt soooo good to hear. FWIW, I've got to wave 20 a few times starting with tazer, and going Elemental damage. Flamethrower is honestly tremendous running around so fast and killing the ranged waves.

[@DontWorryBeCurry]

(Plus it being a support weapon allows you to out-earn what you would normally would in waves 1-7 so you can actually get an economy going)

[@magnuscarlsson9969]

The reason he just feel so under powered is because his walk-material mechanic don't function on experience, which mean he will be fine early on but when you are 10+ levels below the expected level, especially on the new map, it start to feel really painful. It isn't better that speed ain't increasing just the amount of steps you take, it also increases how far each step move you... so the diminishing returns make speed less and less valuable. I've been way more successful with him at 120-130% speed then going beyond that point, which feels very anti-synergistic. The reason for this is that you gain less benefits from adding speed beyond that point, but also because you move in a more controlled fashion. The new map have many enemies with special abilities so when you move too fast there's higher risk of leaving them alive, which allows them to regenerate, buff others, launch missiles, leave eggs etc. On the normal map this is usually not a massive issue since the most dangerous enemies tend to chase or charge you very fast while being not nearly as tanky, which mean you eventually remove them from the field. Having half of the materials dropped under these circumstances, just mean that he's even more reliant on sweeping the field or risk falling even further behind... I guess his design is meant to be run circles around enemies, but the new map isn't very friendly to any of the characters in the game which have such concepts. I tried playing the pacifist and even he had a easier time because his mechanic at least allows him to pick up more HP, Armor, Regen etc. from level ups.

[@DontWorryBeCurry]

@magnuscarlsson9969 totally agree with and understand your analysis. I ended up having may more success stacking harvesting than speed, which feels cheesy and antithetical to the character design. That, plus the available weapon selection choices aren't particularly fun ones.

[@crayfishdj]

I feel like a little harvesting early would make a difference. More money, more level ups, more chances to pick speed.

[@stevenphillips3506]

I have never had more than 1 ugly tooth in any game i have played and i am hoping the chest drops have been resolved because after lvl 30 the trees stop dropping the chests.

[@crookedspin]

At 19:06 your health regenerates while the game is paused 👀

[@naguriu]

Even after the game ended he still healed

[@zzzzzzzzzPP]

He has taken over 1000 curse since the release of the patch, its finally corrupting his game

[@astro6392]

That's normal, actually. Happens to me as well in the Switch version

[@darthkarl99]

it was a bug in earlier versions of the beta, they fixed it.

[@yamatocoates-c2r]

Can you make a run where you have pruner, inproved tools, and penguin for insane hp regen?

[@DatShadyGuy]

This character NEEDS Power Generator.

[@JohnDoe-dr9ff]

Was thinking same thing. Critical item.

[@magnuscarlsson9969]

I hope they change it so materials gained trough his movement mechanic is added to his exp. Only reason he's so hard, especially near the end, is that he get about half the material's worth of exp, which have this ripple effect where you keep falling further and further behind unless you are lucky with items. It ain't better that speed have diminishing returns when it come to his mechanic. Speed ain't only increasing the speed between steps but also the length of each steps animation... at a certain point, you actually slow down his mechanic if you have to turn a lot.

[@pogchamp9829]

hey dex im pretty sure that ur item is actually a legendary weapon (i know u've been looking for it in crates quite some time)

[@aaronscott7467]

I feel like you might be using the jousting lances wrong. I do not play the game to try myself, but I think you're supposed to just keep the lances in front of you since they appear to do damage while they are extended, even if the enemy runs into it after it finishes extending. Again, I do not own it myself to try so this is just me backseating, but you might give it a try one time

[@Bread-xl4wi]

Honestly the travel distance required for material should be halved, or at least make it so its only -25% material

[@pirobg4330]

It was fun but i wanna see the weapon with how was intended to play

[@flamemon11]

Hey Dex! Love your video! Honestly this character was too hard. Not to sure why but it felt like you're so weak. I don't think the hiking stick helped. Hopefully they patch him.

[@glitchedgamerz]

Ya know, been playing the game without DLC while only using the weapon the character can use, and... My luck was somehow zero and still gave me three crates all from enemies one wave. However, it only came in useful for crates and critical hits. Other than that, it's somewhat hard to beat certain characters with only their starter weapons.

[@dragon_defeyes]

do you play classic or survival mode if they matter

[@ChuckLowitzki]

We need longer videos🙏🙏🙏

[@glebglub]

hey dex I forgot if it's been asked before, but have you tried Peglin? it's not a horde survival but I feel you'd like it, since it does have roguelike elements (and balls)

[@shallyia4458]

Could've really used a power generator. That would've made the run quite easy. Given that speed is probably not the "intended" item pool for hiker, that's why there's a huge difficulty gap between him and speedy.

[@anteshell]

Have you still not found your own item?

[@1ear304]

wieso kannst du das schon spielen das Abyssal Terror DLC ? :O @dex

[@ThePhliphip]

Beanie! Beanie! Beanie! ... Is that how germans change their mind?

[@ogremoch]

I think hunter actually is better with the walking stick since he scales better with range.

[@mauricebenink]

I think hes meant as a char which doesnt really fight. But instead focuses on harvesting and just running away without focusing on damage what so ever. All survival and running

[@carnap355]

You take only speed in level up upgrades unless reroll is way too expensive, and only jousting lances and speed items until you have a lot of money, and it was easier for me when I did that, I killed all bosses. Because you get way more materials and HP later on from your speed.

[@zbeubzbru247]

Is it me or your voice is a bit strange at 8:40 ?

[@kingsarues1586]

I feel like the devs need to change the negative or make the money making bonus better hiker feels like such a bad character even though you can be hitting for 400 with hiking sticks by wave 20

[@jamcatplexer5825]

oh my god i just figured out the worst build possible: Soldier with 6 Tier 4 Jousting Lances.

[@AlanW]

Even at the end, it was only getting 5 ticks of the increase over a whole round, definitely not worth the investment.

[@1TieDye1]

Huh? Speed turning i to 5 hp per round, while also being damage and materials is strong as hell

[@matheusmoraessilveira8694]

watching at work

[@kaballfs]

This character is indeed underpowered, you spend a lot of the game with less money than any other character, and he doesn't actually gain any benefit from speed in itself, just from walking around, and even that is not good, in fact, it's terrible. My only success with this character was with the walking cane, and it was a GREAT success, I managed to get to wave 38 with about 600 hp and over 3000 range, the canes hitting like a truck. I think this works because the cane feeds its own damage, that is, the more you walk with it, the more damage it does, you are gaining actual damage by simply walking around, unlike the lance, which gains damage from speed, which you need to buy or level up into. The downside is that the range is so massive that the attack speed is dogshit.

[@annchan4817]

Aside from power generator, bro is missing shakles to cap actual movespeed to be able to play the game with melee weapon

[@1TieDye1]

That reduces your hp and materials gain though

[@povved161]

Bro please, go endless :( Also wirklich jetzt, ist einfach viel geiler :(

[@DexTag]

there's no reason to go Endless in a run where it was barely possible to survive wave 20, it's over right after

[@TheLiquidAtom]

hiker seems to be weak, the amount you get from hiking isnt anywhere near enough. Also speed might not even work, getting similar amounts of materials with lots and without speed.

[@1TieDye1]

Speed definitely works lol it’s just a slow build

[@TheLiquidAtom]

@@1TieDye1 dunno about that. With neutral speed you get negligible increase in materials, with lots you get just slightly more than average. Is it worth buying all the speed to just have tiny bit more economy? I'm saying it doesnt work as in, it doesnt translate 50% speed to 50% more materials than average. Maybe 5% more even if that.

[@menlover555]

speed thrusting haha

[@Aezetyr]

You can only win by not playing.

[@kennaee]

I just destroyed this char with money daggers. Died with lances once and wanted MONEY.

[@riskyanalysis5479]

Great video Dex. But, sorry from now on I am down voting every video that plays 4 ads in the first 2 mins, and especially those that play more ads than minutes in the video. You can blame it on youtube. I have tried multiple avenues, but nothing I've done prevents KZbin's ad abuse from coming back.

[@aniyn]

Ya, not sure what's going on with this character, but it stinks. Crippled economy, and his scaling stat (speed) will kill you unless you have tons of dodge and armor.

[@SingedFollower]

Day 52 of asking you to play "Wall World"

[@MSlocum669]

this potato is the worst

[@Tomasz-]

Captain is even worse. He's awful. Worse version of one-handed

[@123coller]

This run sucks