DeYoung and Keller Discuss Report on Human Sexuality

[@johntobey1558]

T y for a faithful attempt to address these thorny issues.

[@DGRVP]

Thank you both for spending time on this, God bless these efforts.

[@ricoyochanan]

When a house is on fire, you don't sit around and parse and debate the nature of fire; you warn those inside to flee before they are consumed, IF you love them. Eph 4:15........Luk 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Luk 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Luk 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. There are no special privilege sins.

[@johntobey1558]

Our identity is in Christ alone, it is neither socially constructed or defined by various psychpathologies or addictions and dysmorphias or fixed delusional thinking that we are wrongly gendered by God.

[@prayunceasingly2029]

Amen

[@johntobey1558]

You mention Christian Counselors, did you talk to any of them as you prepared this statement?

[@leefury7]

Any relation to James B. De Young, Professor of New Testament Language and Literature, Western Conservative Baptist Seminary, Portland, Oregon? "A Critique of Prohomosexual Interpretations of the Old Testament Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha" and "The Course and NT Meaning of Aresenokitai,

[@slipdog04jumpseat37]

Excellent work

[@johntobey1558]

Do you get into the ecclesiastical ramifications? Are their any explicit statements about forbidding same sex union ceremonies in PCA churches. . .the Church defines marriage, not the state.

[@johntobey1558]

May I recommend you read Understanding Gemder Dysphoria by Mark Yarhouse who is a Psychologist who teaches in the Psy.D program at Wheaton College Wheaton, Illinois

[@christophertaylor3150]

Can you give a quick summary?

[@johntobey1558]

There is good evidence here that these men, Love God's word. Are wise and have a depth if knowledge in Sytematic theology, sacramental theology. . .but the purpose of marriage is to have covenantal children.

[@randyvandyke1]

Please use a microphone. I’m a ups guy and it’s hard to hear. Thanks

[@johntobey1558]

Don't we have any ruling elders who have done research on this issue in the behavioral sciences? Why are we only hearing from theologians?

[@johntobey1558]

What guard rails? What about Romams 1?

[@johntobey1558]

What are the sociological ramifications for the health of the Christian family? And it's healthy life cycle.

[@johnbeale4164]

Statements 9 and 10. "You're not sinning by using the word Gay Christian to identify yourself." Wrong! Weak, weak, weak! So unhelpful for those struggling with this sin. Statement 11 is a veiled attack on the church. Church bad, homosexuals good.

[@johntobey1558]

Does the Evangelical Presbyterian Church have a stronger statement on this.

[@jackjones3657]

All these conferences and general assemblies to try to put man's spin on matters God has already settled long ago.

[@zach2980]

Yeah, Yahweh settled this long ago with a good old stoning 😉. Kinda makes you wonder 🤔.

[@johntobey1558]

How have we as Church members elected these men to speak for our whole denomination on this issue? Do you have any Christian Psychologusts on this panel?

[@johntobey1558]

The church dies not and should not honor their unions, perhaps this thorny issue may be something that could be covered in future discussion on the issue as it pertains to Ramans 1 and Romams 13 particularly.

[@brettschlee7090]

"The fear of the Lord is hatred of evil. Pride and arrogance and the way of evil and perverted speech I hate." (Prov 8:13) Mr. Keller, Mr. DeYoung, do you hate evil?

[@prayunceasingly2029]

Keller seems to have adopted Marxist ideas a long time ago. So he kind of adopted evil ideologically if Marxism is evil.

[@paveli1181]

"So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate." Desire is not a sin, but a prelude. Eve desired in a perfect state. Bad thoughts are like flaming arrows of the evil one that we reject with a shield of faith. When we say that desire is sin, we give advantage to the enemy because we admit defeat before the battle starts. These things usually overwhelm someone who is malnourished and feeds from the trough of the world.

[@johntobey1558]

Do statement 9 and 10 refuse membership to publicly identifying as " gay" Christian. You have not addressed the issue of unity of the Church in exegetical Romans 1.

[@albertkingma2394]

Is this post set up to delete opposing opinions? Asking for a friend.

[@johntobey1558]

Is gender dysphoria considered a , " medical condition" since it is contained in the DSM-5? Or just intersex and person born with both make and female genitalia?

[@PhilAlumb]

Intersex individuals... are NOT born with both Genitalia. Fact..they are born with ambiguous or Incompletely developed genitalia. These Intersex conditions vary in complexity on a continum.

[@МихаилАндроновИзраиль]

What about abortions? When are we going to see the Evangelical Churches' Statement on this pending and grave issue?

[@johnbeale4164]

Wow. Interesting how in the weeds these men go to soften what God has clearly taught in His word. "The third way." How does Sodom and Gomorrah fit in? Glad the apostle Paul didn't teach us in such a weak way (Romans 1) regarding this subject. Repent and rely in the power of Gods grace to radically change you.

[@dandavis1435]

With all humility . Have you talked to me? Why should I give you further audience?

[@johntobey1558]

Does this address The civil Magistrate. . .Romams 13 and whether or not we should be civilly disobedient to same sex marriage. Obviously this is am abomination to God, yet it is lawful and permissible according to the Federal Supreme Court fir Civil Union, hardly marriage. Both of you guys had Jack Jeff Davis, David Wells and perhaps Gordon Hugenberger at GCTS and so did I. Doug Stuart and Gordon Fee ( rest in peace ) would take issue with what you are saying here. Come on guys. You don't address the Church's role in contradicting the State. When the state is advocating fir something unbiblical.

[@zach2980]

Here's a thought that could too be considered a "truth in love" question, although I don't personally know or love either of these fellas. How is the case of pastors writing a report on human sexuality not a bit like astrologists commenting on astrophysics? Or maybe like YECs commenting on 3.8 billion years of Earth species evolution? All the best to Tim and fam regardless.

[@prayunceasingly2029]

It sounds like you're saying pastors shouldn't talk authoritatively about sexuality because it's not their primary area of study?

[@zach2980]

@@prayunceasingly2029 pastors talk about topics that they’re under informed on all the time, YEC is a pretty prevalent position in the United States anyway. Under what scenario would they speak authoritatively? Why would a pastor who advocates for and likely has only had sex with one woman be a good person to speak on a normal person’s sexual life? Abstinence only education results in more abortions and repeat abortions statistically. Not that I fundamentally have a problem with abortions, it’s just the #1 thing evangelical preachers that I listen to drone on about. I likewise wouldn’t take advise on sex from a catholic priest who likewise clearly has a toxic relationship with sexuality. I guess it’s in the eye of the listener.

[@anastasiaburr3959]

Too many words going around and around the question because you two don’t have a definitive answer! Too bad coming of you to!

[@howardmakely2169]

We used to have the Bible to teach us. These clowns remove that.

[@dandavis1435]

Revoice does NOT REjECT any biblical mandate!

[@dandavis1435]

I am about to leave the PCA. You've lost all the gospel

[@dandavis1435]

How convenient for you who never have had the privilege to understand the human experience

[@sovereigngrace9723]

@@dandavis1435 human experience < God's revealed word

[@davmatheophilus159]

​@dandavis1435 What is wrong with the multi-pronged statement? It did seem biblical and pastoral...we need more of th8s in the church, not less.