DF Direct Weekly

[@RetroCrisis]

This is what happens when the dad is sleeping

[@davillain9974]

🤣😂

[@CactousMan639]

Not covering the Xbox Showcase? ¬¬ It was their best show ever!

[@DoubleVGames]

@@CactousMan639 I believe this was recorded a day before the Xbox showcase. Sooo we may get another video soon

[@craigsampson3386]

​@@DoubleVGames yeah they said they'll have another DF Direct special in about 1 or 2 days time at the end of this video they said.

[@SPG8989]

​@CactousMan639 it really was. As a PC gamespass sub they got me much more hyped than Sony. Just hope they don't have a bunch of delays and letdowns. Perfect Dark shocked me with how good it looked. Haven't researched it much but it gave a nice immersive sim vibe. Almost Deus Ex like.

[@Sirseky]

The kids are alone at home

[@goob8945]

When the cats are away the mice will analyse frametime graphs

[@Kraftium]

Now no one is here to stop them comparing obscure hardware

[@NeonCyberSamurai]

Very bespoke observation 😮

[@AP-hn8wd]

DF Weekly: The Boys Edition

[@v1kt0u5]

Brett, Andy, LandWolf; meanwhile Pepe traveling.

[@POVwithRC]

Gameboy summer

[@carn9507]

wait, which one's homelander? :P

[@jimjamsam3482]

DF Weekly: John Edition

[@fabrigarciacartoons]

Bespoke intro by Jhon

[@Gounen]

Lmao

[@CYB3R2K]

I've seen some caveats on it if you ask me.

[@TeddyBlogueirinho]

Damn, came to say this

[@ghost085]

He missed the "indeed", but it was fine.

[@Houldey]

38:12 John: 'It's running pretty well these days isn't?', Alex: *SOUL LEAVING BODY* 'ehhhhhhh....'

[@DeonvanHeerdenMusic]

The boys having no idea about Killer Bean's history makes me feel so old

[@heilong79]

It was mostly us 3D animation guys that really noticed it back in the day.

[@Norbertle]

@@heilong79 I remember one of the Killer Bean movies used the little known 3D software Hash:Animation Master. Wonder if any animators today still use that software.

[@NetDive]

is it really that old? i feel like it was even a big meme not too long ago

[@DeonvanHeerdenMusic]

@@NetDive hahaha, I saw the original (The Interrogation) in the late 90s (*turns to dust*)

[@DeonvanHeerdenMusic]

@@heilong79 that's a good point

[@mmmako]

Killer Bean is a game based off an indie movie by the same name, created entirely by the matrix reloaded's lead animator.

[@ClapperDan]

Definitely can see the inspiration now

[@fullauto86]

I think it looks fucking awesome lol hell yeah. I’d be Charlie’s voice is in there somewhere too

[@NetDive]

killer bean was actually a pretty fun movie

[@josephbustamante4774]

John is keeping the spirit of Chad Warden alive with "PS Triple."

[@agentsmith6161]

General Grevious while hearing "hello there" from John: "General Linneman!!!!! You are a bold one! I expected someone with your reputation to be a little …. older!"

[@darkknight2864]

favorite awe inspiring graphics: MGS2: "omg the rain!" God of War II: "that statue is huge!" Luigi's Mansion: "it looks CG!" Rogue Leader: "just like the movie!" Halo CE: "the tree bark looks so real! the ground bumps from the flashlight!" Doom 3: "moving urinal shadows! monitor text is so sharp!" Half-Life 2: "water looks so good! alex is so hot!" Gears of War: "everything is so shiny in the rain! camera shakes like a documentary!" Crysis: "those are real palm trees! and they break where you shoot them!" (nothing for a very long time) RDR2: "...my goodness pretty much everything!!" Future games: no idea. may never happen again for me. hopefully Gears E-day. death stranding 2 also looks good.

[@superlbc]

38:14 The new Wilhelm scream

[@aggies11]

+1 for Alex making a frame pacing Video. Going in depth on Vsync, how it functions, and why it's 20+ year old "legacy" implementation has lead us to this grab bag of marketing named various "technologies" which are confusing to sort out. If you are someone who wants, max framerate, smooth pacing, VRR and minimum latency, explaining what we need for that (especially not limited to a single vendor) would be great.

[@kosmosyche]

Every time they mention The Talos Principle 2 it becomes so obvious they didn't go past the first "prologue / tutorial" area and have no idea about the scope of that game. 😂 Like every time they go "but it's a smaller game", when in reality it's probably the biggest game on UE5 as of now.

[@willloman812]

I don’t think, especially Alex, even touches games unless he has to for work. But I wouldn’t either.

[@JackWse]

So I'm pretty sure the referencing the budget, but yeah that that kind of thing kind of bothers me a little bit.. The big game versus small game versus whatever.. and it's all relative too. A lot of features that the largest game titles use in art direction, often make them look and feel much cheaper to me than a lot of lower budget titles with a cleaner scope.. not that 'that' is much of a thing anymore, as it seems a lot of lower budget, or pretty much every game nowadays seems to operate with best practices from the built-in engine.. which usually means a lot of nonsense garbage that absolutely destroys things like clarity, and I'm not talking about temporal sampling although how they implement it is often a problem as well.. At the very least with a lot of unreal titles you can at least upload your list of wishes into the engine INI and hope and pray that you can gain some sort of clarity in the rendering.. unity is.. honestly the fact that unity works that way, and the fact that developers are just like. Yes high quality low, this is all we need.. I hope that engine dies a horrible death.. But honestly developers should still have some sort of comprehension that everyone is better suited to a bespoke experience of these various techniques based on hardware and preferences.. which just used to be normal. But then clarity used to be a feature. I think one of the clearest, no pun intended, examples of how effery can ruin something, I recently downloaded some of the fixes, for the post-processing problems of Riddick assault on dark Athena, which is gameplay-wise far superior to the initial outing... Easily the best way to play butcher Bay, and it's sequel is actually really good.. I didn't quite understand what people had a problem with until trying to get it to run again. I become extremely sensitive to things like depth of field blur and post-processing blurs, especially with older titles where The line between clear and blurry is very noticeable in the lower resolution of those plus processing attempts.. The fact that a very small sized fix is possible for that game, and the difference it made just by turning off nonsense.. But still keeping things like the color correction and what have you that is usually disabled because everything is grouped into a single post-processing option? My God it looks.. It looks like the original, but you know with better lighting and better textures and better everything.. But I get what they were talking about.. and once you get into the second game, and the higher fidelity base assets show up, to this day it is a darn good looking game.. with that hacky carmack inspired wonderful engine that they developed.. But I could see how you could get the impression it wasn't without the mod.. The same thing can be said for their wolfenstein titles.. removing post-processing adds a clarity that is just unparalleled by comparison... The downside is that you have to recreate things like bloom and color grading in reshade, and for the new order title you have to kind of force some sort of temporal sampling solution as the in-game anti-aliasing options causes serious resource management error, and all of this needs to be done through a hacked executable thanks to an enterprising individual, who's done several PC-centric fixes the proper way, and this was just to be able to fix id5 on a frame rate cap and interpolation and texture streaming level. Like you know... You could have done this with the developer's console, but they locked it out in retail. And while the second one had some issues, one of the biggest was how they rendered fog... In addition to locking things behind the developer's console.. thankfully there's a fix that is brand new, adds things like a flashlight as well, adds things I never thought I would ever be able to have like FOV fixes for the iron sights lol, shout out, and check out modDB, it's a bespoke DLL injector that adds a GUI with a series of incredibly useful preconfigured options, as well as unlocking the command console for more granular control if needed.. It has a fast forward button. My God it has a fast forward button.. Sure you could use time scale, if you unlock the developers console, which is also annoying even further on on six as it was on five, I'll be at less of a necessary thing, although, still necessary in the end go figure.. But.. unfortunately the skip fog feature which makes things so much crisper clearer and better, also does have some artistic use that is somewhat required for some of the backgrounds and whatnot... I don't know why they went so ham on it though and just made the game look genuinely like I had just jumped into the worst balanced pool ever and just tried to completely bleach my eyes with chlorine. Keep in mind we're we've already just not even considered the idea of not going through and completely gutting things like depth of field and whatnot and radial blurs that have ruined everything these days.. or the motion blur they have in the game that is so utterly overtuned, you can't actually do anything in the movement and fast-paced shooter without the screen being completely blurred most of the time..

[@koerel]

1:06:25 I may be wrong here but don't the 4:4:4, 4:2:2 and 4:2:0 chroma schemes refer to compression in YCbCr rather than RGB? As in the Y (luminance) is full resolution as it's what our eyes perceive with the most detail, but the color data is compressed. If I recall correctly Cb is blue, Cr is red and green is redundant as it can be deduced as the difference between the red+blue and the total luminance.

[@UltraCasualPenguin]

All I know is that RGB > 4-4-4.

[@Laimean]

Yes. They should know that.

[@Arcona]

Also HDMI 2.1 supports DSC, so they could use that to do 8k60 HDR RGB 4:4:4 no problem.

[@lucimon97]

@@Arconabut their point is that the PS5 lacks HDMI 2.1, it only has 66% of the bandwidth.

[@Arcona]

@@lucimon97 It has HDMI 2.1, just not full bandwidth. So it could still use DSC as that's part of the protocol.

[@tanzolo4487]

Oliver is getting so good at this. Amazing progress. I remember when he just started, He’s quickly turnin into the most enjoyable to listen to.

[@chrisclarke4295]

Oliver is so knowledgeable Love his videos, always hope for more... But he's often on video production duty too

[@jamess9585]

Yeah oliver john rich is the best lineup now

[@danbooke2001]

Not with that lisp he's not.

[@slickrat]

I literally know a dude who bought the Xbox One S thinking it would do 4K gaming, I had to explain to him it did 4K only for video content (not games) and additionally he needed a 4K TV. Dude was so oblivious he thought he was having 4K gaming with his Xbox One S on his regular Full HD TV. So yeah, putting 8K label on the box is highly misleading for the layman.. It is a cheap trick that can in fact fool the unaware.

[@eternalbeing3339]

Its easy to mix them up but xbox one x does 4k.😊

[@slickrat]

@@eternalbeing3339 It does, but since the One S has the 4K logo on the box (for video content, though), it mislead this guy into buying the One S instead of the One X. My point is, we Digital Foundry fans, we are very aware of all of the specifications and variations, but the regular Joe is NOT. Putting 8K on the box misleads the layman bc they don't know any better.

[@slickrat]

The 4K and 8K logos on the box situation feels a lot like the 16 / 32 / 64 bits wars... Very misleading to the customer who is not tech savvy.

[@SpontaneousWeasel]

38:13 this is the moment Alex becomes a dinosaur in response to lords of the fallen performance

[@MrSpineduke]

Hahaha

[@fionnmaccuill415]

😂😂😂

[@baundiesel]

The 8K was marketed before launch as media playback and not for actual games.

[@chr1srugby]

Why on earth 8k was ever talked about is beyond me. Get me 4k 120fps then we can talk about an almost imperceivable improvement in resolution.

[@Breakfastnooka]

When I first saw Rallisport Challenge on a demo xbox, I could not believe it. The way the tires left tracks in the sand, the water splashing, and the amount of dust behind and then collecting on the car! I was sold. These two games I think still look amazing to this day.

[@AndyGilleand]

"LEGOs don't have a hard edge" This man has not stepped on a LEGO

[@anonony9081]

Haptic triggers do work wirelessly on pc using third-party applications so there's absolutely no reason for Sony not to allow them, it's not a technical issue

[@danbooke2001]

Resistance triggers (haptics are feedback given to a user based on an input, so haptic triggers are an ignorant term marketed by PlayStation honestly), are an awful gimmick to begin with and wreck havoc on your controller. On my PS5 I have them turned off by default. On PC, well I use an Xbox controller that I prefer more anyway. Using a PS5 controller on PC... Just the idea alone makes me nauseous.

[@tyo101]

This episode "dropped" earlier than usual?

[@NetDive]

theyre probably prepping for the xbox recap direct

[@anthony1703]

I know right. I wasn't expecting it.

[@cube2fox]

Poor Oliver having to edit a 2+ hour monstrosity every week :(

[@DravenxEyeless]

Class when the teacher calls in sick

[@MrThephonypope]

Missed opportunity for Alan Wake Deluxe to include a vinyl soundtrack, would feel a that would justify the price a little more

[@heathbass]

Oliver looking at his full brightness tv in the thumbnail.

[@KNINESVIDS]

38:13 that noise was something else Alex... Almost reminded of a Zach Hadel-esque kinda noise

[@Demmrir]

I think the ramp up to 4K and more pixels and now the ramp down is down to a single factor for gamers: We used to have bad antialiasing. Now we have extremely high quality supersampled temporal algorithms or outright DLSS. That fixes the need to want higher res to remove unpleasant rendering artifacts and means 1440p becomes a very pleasant gaming experience with no real drawbacks. I dropped from 4K to 1440p OLED and I'm happy as a clam.

[@davidruppelt]

Good observation, that seems plausible. I don't agree with the "extremely high quality" part though. It sure is a lot better than it was, but it softens the image. Games without any AA are still a lot sharper, and as long as that is the case, there is a benefit to higher res displays. I moved from 1440p to 2160p and expected games to actually be sharp, but they are just sharper. Still a lot less sharp than reality. Though I am happy that this moved the priorities to higher refresh rates, because those were also severly lacking.

[@TheOvy]

I don't know about Alex, but Jon is definitely old enough to remember Killer Bean. Guess he missed it back in the day. This video game adaptation is coming 20 years late.

[@mechanicalmonk2020]

I'm old enough to have seen stuff from it back in the day but it was just in some niche forums and I completely forgot about it

[@carn9507]

I don't know about this age thing. I'm 44 and I've never heard of Killer Bean until now. :O Could it be a regional thing?

[@squelching]

I'm only 32 and know of it. Oliver is only 13 years old, so we know he's never heard of it.

[@Tom-pl4co]

I remember watching the killer bean videos back in the day. It was pretty good computer animation for the time from a single person i believe. Btw I am 50.

[@6e756c6c]

The biggest "OMG, this looks amazing!" has to be the jump from Half-Life with software rendering to Half-Life with a 3dfx Voodoo Banshee.

[@KROMERES]

John to Rich: "The circle is now complete. When I left you I was but the learner now I am the master." -Darth Vader

[@tyo101]

"The Keigh-obasa" 😂

[@rd-um4sp]

the swapper was an awesome game! And thank you Oliver for pointing it out: Over 55% of steam PCs cannot do RT. Consoles are a nice scapegoat but they're definitely *not* the only factor.

[@AndyGilleand]

422 and 420 do not operate in RGB. They operate in YCbCr Y represents luminance, and that is always full resolution Cr and Cb represent Chroma channels, which work differently than RGB, but are a representation of hue and saturation 422 has half resolution chroma channels, and 420 has quarter resolution chroma channels. In all cases, if you turned the image to black and white, it would appear perfectly full resolution, but it's the color information that is lower res. For reference, EVERY blu-ray and TV show you've ever watched is sampled at 420, and nobody really notices it, because our eyes have a lower sensitivity to color information. The only time it becomes a problem is typically with very small colorful text.

[@Joe-cp5ud]

John as Rich is very good.

[@emptytent]

Not as good at getting everyone on the call to talk. Wasting poor Oliver's time there.

[@DUDEDUDE33]

John did a good job. Rich has calmer energy, no cursing haha

[@RealJeffTidwell]

He even dropped day and date.

[@saramdipm]

It's funny how differently people respond to this stuff. There is no way I could ever adjust to a 1440p or WOLED display after seeing what good text can look like. Why can the cheapest laptops and mobile devices adequately render text while high end monitors just...can't. I don't understand how your eyes can look at poorly rendered text and not be bothered but are sensitive to changes in shading and frame pacing that my eyes struggle to see. Everyone is different, I guess.

[@Noe2iq]

Oof. That "explanation" of chroma subsampling was very wrong. This format uses YCrCb rather than RGB. Y (luminance) is always full bandwidth. Cr and Cb (color delta channels) are subsampled, with 4:2:2 using 1/2 samples in X only, and 4:2:0 using 1/2 samples in both X and Y. Yes, the terminology is really stupid.

[@Girugi]

The talk here about chroma subsampling misses the mark. It is not rgb. That is the whole point. You can compress more effectively if you do it in chroma space. The numbers indicate how many samples there are per 4 pixels(pretty much) . 4:4:4 means there is full precision for luminense (brightness), and for the color. 4:2:2, means that every pixel has full luminance, but the colors is shared 2 pixels at a time. 4:2:0 groups colora 4 pixels at a time, and same for 4:1:1, but in different patterns. The rgb talk, where green is higher precision, that is just when bit depth is crunched. Is still used at times, but not with modern monitors.

[@Girugi]

In practice what this means is that it is quite high quality on regular pictures and content, with accurate colors and brightness. But single pixel size elements which varies strongly in specifically color, can have very visible artifacts. Like if you have a cold deal background and has a small size red font in front, the text will look broke. So it's not great for programming... But pretty great for games and movies still. Though, of course 4:4:4 is better.

[@zeroone8800]

I was genuinely surprised that none of them knew that off the top of their heads. They seem like the kind of people who would use RGB instead of 4:4:4, just to avoid the conversion artifacts.

[@robf]

Xbox had 8k HDR on the box and PS5 had 8k. Both were ridiculous marketing messages and neither had any actual true 8k content. John's right about the fact, most people don't care at this stage.

[@FabriceRoux]

Rich... RICH... RIIIIICH !!! The younglings made a mess while you were away. 😁

[@Ioganstone]

John is over 40. But he is a wizard

[@Ioganstone]

45:30

[@nimbulan2020]

My big graphical wow moments: Doom 3 with all its highly detailed and intricate machines. Call of Duty 2, approaching a brick building in the fog, I had a moment where it really looked photorealistic. RAGE with its obscene amount of environmental variety and detail (at the cost of atrocious texture quality of course.) I'd never seen anything like it and it's basically taken until this latest console gen for other games to catch up. And of course, Cyberpunk 2077 showing off the mind-blowing ray-tracing effects.

[@XgamerdaveX]

I don’t think 8K should be a thing in the next gen either. We should stick with 4K

[@Kr0wd]

Agree, plus what would an 8k monitor or TV even cost geez

[@saturnFIV3]

It will make sense for VR eventually. When your eyes are right up against the screens you can really see the pixels. But yeah as we go up in power and resolution the graphical returns are diminishing. Just look at ps5 vs ps4 games. Theres definitely a noticeable difference but the delta isnt very wide. Also 8K used in conjunction with something like TAA, that's way too expensive today but in 10 years? We'll be at a point where aliasing is no longer a concern. It all depends on one's eyes too. I know plenty of gen X'ers that can't even tell a difference between 2k and 4k. Im not aware of any games on PC that can even output at 8K AND feature 8K textures. So aside from helping with aliasing there's no real benefit because games aren't being made with textures that benefit from that high of a resolution. Once it starts getting pushed though I'm sure the difference will become much more noticeable.

[@XgamerdaveX]

@@saturnFIV3 yeah. Maybe we can think about 8K again with the PS7 12 years from now. Until then it’d be best to put a pin in it I think.

[@drober8588]

Summer Games Fest was cool, but the Xbox showcase knocked it out if the park! Now that xbox owns everything and reserves it for their show, Summer Games fest gets the scraps.

[@AndyGilleand]

FYI: Killer Bean is based on an old short film series

[@Alexand3ry]

0:02 Congratulations John on what must surely be the pinnacle of your career. Nailed it!

[@0dn4mr4]

I hope you have the chance to do an Special Direct covering the unexpectedly amazing Xbox Showcase

[@HEADSHOTPROLOL]

This is what happens when the kids are let loose

[@Frostlead042]

11:45 The Talos Principle 2 is definitely not smaller in scope. Did you guys never play past the tutorial area??

[@xizar0rg]

There are fools, damned fools, and people who still think we're ready for 4k, much less 8k.

[@KrytopsyX]

4K 240 Hz is more viable than 8K 120 Hz as you only double the amount of pixels that need to be rendered per second rather than quadruple like going from 4K to 8K. 4K 240 Hz also put more strain the CPU that has to cycle through more often per seconds all the systems.

[@carlosnascimento9269]

Dropping the Direct early while Rich isn't looking.

[@Xsetsu]

I have never been so awe struck as I have with full on HDR in a game like Destiny 2 (still my go to for HDR the highly contrasting environments just absolutely blow you away with HDR on in many places) or Pathtracing in a game like Cyberpunk (at it's full glory this game had so many WTF WOW moments not many can even come close). I do believe most that get a chance to see it in all its glory would not think of ever going back. I just want more games to really take advantage of the tech at this point.

[@Joe-cp5ud]

Oh boy we have A LOT to talk about this week.

[@RedPillAlways]

Not really. Basically we just saw a bunch of garbage talentless developers summed up at SGF..

[@Dr.RojoMcDelly]

@@RedPillAlwayssays you

[@Dr.RojoMcDelly]

@@RedPillAlwayssays you

[@RedPillAlways]

@@Dr.RojoMcDelly Don't be salty. It isn't just me..

[@LordBeef]

@@RedPillAlwaysThey’re definitely not talentless. There were some great games shown. No one owes you the games you want.

[@sometimeclown5281]

8K 60 should be reserved for VR(we aren't there yet, maybe with an assist from DLSS and Foveated rendering) + wouldn't you need a F*ing big TV to notice the real difference between 8K and 4K, like 120'+?? (at normal viewing distances.)

[@ApexLodestar]

"PS5 Professional" 🤣

[@ChaosAngelZero]

There's an interview over at Bokeh Game Studio's official KZbin channel where they confirmed that Slitterhead runs on Unreal Engine, although I'm not sure if it's UE4 or UE5.

[@riaz8783]

In the here and now, that was a truly bespoke Xbox showcase.

[@saelesbonsazse9919]

Xbox just nailed it. I hope DF comes with an special episode tomorrow!

[@hdhdhhehe6709]

@@saelesbonsazse9919bespoke is a word. Generic consolidated AI produced garbage is another.

[@LordBeef]

@@hdhdhhehe6709Jeez. It was a great showcase, calm down.

[@hdhdhhehe6709]

@@LordBeef Most people are calm while having no interest in garbage.

[@megapro125]

Shipping a code in a box without a disc has been the standard for EA games for almost a decade I think. (That doesn't mean other publishers should follow suit though.)

[@TheDeadmanTT]

I'm with Ollie. Half Life 2 looked AMAZING! Faces and textures looked so much better than anything I'd seen. I was hugging walls just to look at the detail of them bricks. The other game was GTA 4. Just the scale of Mew York with so many NPCs wandering around. The other game is DOA 2. In comparison to Tekken, it looked so much better than Tekken 3 or TT

[@musguelha14]

It's funny. You guys are talking about needing to get close to a TV to be able to resolve 4K details, so I went up to the TV to look closely, and I noticed that your background for DF Direct isn't 4K and it looks blurry seen up close.

[@pensologohesito]

Regarding the popularity of lower fidelity monitors on PC, I recently learned the really highly competitive players on games like CS actually use the lowest graphics possible and huge FPS counts, mostly to reduce the “noise” and detail on the image so they get also the maximum amount of response and visibility.

[@matthewjalovick]

That Xbox showcase was BANGING. Can’t wait for more than… Concord on PS5 🙃

[@yc_030]

Way too many depression simulators...was hoping for something fun like astro bot from xbox

[@matthewjalovick]

@@yc_030 you mean as opposed to the Sad Dad Simulator Station? You’re cute 😂

[@yc_030]

@@matthewjalovick Since I have a job and can afford both yea that ps5 demo was more fun than anything xbox has put out this generation. What we need is a new viva pinata asap

[@or1on89]

@@yc_030 I would be surprised if you had 15 years of age...

[@matthewjalovick]

@@yc_030 haha I’m sure someone bragging about having a job is definitely over the age of 15 😂 you think having both consoles is a flex? Some of us don’t need to brag about the consoles and PC we own… but that was so sweet of your parents to buy you one this past Christmas! Make sure to tell them thank you!

[@Petrakeas]

Chroma subsampling is not used with rgb but with Ycbcr. Y (luminance) is what's kept at full res

[@AndyGilleand]

I disagree with Alex that the PC adapter doesn't give PC owners a reason to buy the PSVR2. The display on the PSVR2 is better than the meta quest, and if you buy a PSVR2, you suddenly have the ability to play VR games on the PS5 if you either already have a PS5 or may get one in the future. For those reasons, I think the PC adapter makes the PSVR2 the best value VR headset on the market by a mile.

[@eSKAone-]

1:31:51 Of course it would work. They should give us a VR option for every 3rd person game (like a 3D TV on your face + cam movement with your head) 🌌💟

[@dracowitoscz]

Someone thought that the 8 K disappeared, because it will be on the PS5 pro box, and I didn't want people to get it wrong, and above all, having both the same data on the box as on a more powerful console, doesn't make sense. The difference must be visible from the box. It makes sense to me so I give

[@TheAmazingSpiderGuy_99]

You all realize that they’ve only removed the 8K tag to put it on the PS5 Pro box right? Lol. 🤣

[@TheDeadmanTT]

My favourite part of the show is when John talks about Sonic for 45 mins.

[@Dumbo8234]

Oh no, the inmates have taken over the asylum!

[@Jeroen4]

‘Stream of consciousness’ John. Just kidding John, your passion is infectious 😄

[@ericd.9038]

should’ve gotten Nixxes to port the PSVR2 to PC smh

[@OhChristopher]

No John Linneman in the here and now, in the flesh...but still bespoken episode boys!

[@Arcona]

Talking bout the 32gbps for ps5 not being able to do 8k60 output, that's what DSC is for. Would let it do 8k60 4:4:4 no problem.

[@RudeGerbil]

Just started, and I am loving this chaotic energy!

[@daysgone3950]

The original Generations was 60fps 1080p with GTX460...

[@mattmaas5790]

Bioshock 1 beginning baby cradle scene is such cozy vibes

[@BlindTrustProject]

I have kinda similar jaw dropping moment in video game graphics that look years ahead - Aladdin (MD) - Daytona USA - Soul Calibur - Halo - Crysis - Flight Simulator 2020

[@dustinhilltenor]

One of the most impactful moments in gaming for me was going from Morrowind on Xbox to Oblivion on 360. Just, wow...

[@orangecroc]

The delayed Xbox version of Wukong makes me think it's going to be very unoptimized on PC

[@JackWse]

It's system requirements are not very high, actually thought it might have a better PC outing than we think.. The the folks seem to be very PC centered, and that's definitely a Chinese thing as well, keep in mind the console market on a technical level didn't exist until a few years ago in China. It's hard to say, but believe it or not.. It is possible for a developer to focus on a PC release, and worry about a console release later.. it's just not very common and, as we saw from cyberpunk it is also a crime against humanity lol. Fortunately those are lower standards to achieve I guess for these developers, whereas PC users are just used to it.. I feel like there was more of a chance for a better PC release from this game, then from most games given the circumstances, but also there is the chance that there's just bad on both ends, given that they are a very small team and they are using very new technology, and if my understanding is correct they are a very new team as well so it's you know.. that could be both better and worse at the same time. Just thinking of some of the low budget unity games out there, the idea of having a only a low medium and high option for the graphics, especially in a game engine that has no cvars, not even a hacky way to try to fix the variables that are set on the tool level for the distributable output.. and yet we do.. I used to be mad at unreal for its default options being so stupid.. But my God, it can be so much worse lol at the very least there are multiple options by default.. and at the very least there are cvars, and if albeit a much more completed and stupid process in order to achieve results from them, and things like unreal unlocker should never have to exist but I'm glad it does.. There's a mental process with a lot of modern devs where this thing just doesn't even enter the head space, but if anybody is going to probably have that headspace, it would be people that have been stuck in the DIY PC, stuck on internet cafe get what you get culture from China where you kind of have to be a little bit hacky in general just to get into gaming in the first place on the PC, especially in a in a Western and modern sense.

[@Nob1ej0n]

32:49 Sean Astin plays Samwise the Brave in the Lord of the Rings. He's also Bob Newby in season 2 of Stranger Things. Also Rudy, in...Rudy. And Mikey in Goonies. Kinda not the point since your'e talking about games here. But still surprising that no one said anything about who he was. Especially since I would argue Shawn Ashmore is much less well known.

[@jonRock]

I'm a programmer, and I'm using a 42" LG OLED for my monitor. The fringing doesn't bother me at all.

[@itsd0nk]

The Talos Principal 2 has two different lighting techniques on PS5 as well. Switching between quality and frame rate changes the entire art of the game on both consoles.

[@Shantara11]

11:50 “Talos Principle 2 is a game that’s a lot smaller in scope”. It bothers me that DF continues to misrepresent this gorgeous looking game just because they haven’t bothered to play it past the first 30 minutes of the tutorial area.

[@BL-mf3jp]

Not nearly as good as the first game

[@madhunter9649]

yeah i was very suprised when they said that because that game has some MASSIVE scale and views and some insanely good art direction once you get into the open areas. Way above the lego game

[@thomasdemharter2153]

I can totally relate to John's moment with the waterfall in Unreal, what an incredible jump in visuals that game was. Lacking a 3dfx card back when the game came out, i had to play it in software mode in 320x240 (or x200?) pixels. And it still looked better than all other games i had. The lighting, procedural animated textures, fog effects, it was all on a totally different level than what i experienced before.

[@Vegan_Ape_2018]

The Xbox showcase was awesome. There are some great games coming. And I'm actually excited for a COD game for the first time in over a decade.

[@BasePuma4007]

I'm not that excited for the campaign, but I think the multiplayer and zombies is going to be fun.

[@Why_It]

@@BasePuma4007 I feel the opposite. Now and days I can't stand MP in CoD. Thinking about just going through the Campaign then uninstalling it. lol

[@kostasbousbouras2654]

COD will be bad as always. Fast food gaming... Let's talk about the new Doom. This is what matters.

[@deepblue8143]

​@@BasePuma4007I'm the opposite, I can't wait for the campaign.

[@deepblue8143]

​@@Why_Itsame.

[@neuroflare]

Absolutely a coffee bean. Killer Bean is an old computer animated short from the early 00s. It was impressive back then!

[@underflip2]

not making psvr 2 backwards compatible with psvr 1 was the biggest mistake ever. Litterally the reason I haven't bought a ps5 or psvr2. If I could play my old psvr1 games in higher res and much better tracking that would be a no brainer

[@thekingchem8800]

I’m sad to realise the DF crew haven’t watched Killer Bean on KZbin

[@Alexand3ry]

7:55 Lego Horizon Adventures - UE5 Nanite/Lumen game coming to Switch day 1? I'm sure it will turn off those advanced features, but that still feels like a stretch. Interesting to see how that one plays.

[@hennessey861]

Onimusha 2 was my first wow moment, the water on that game blew my mind

[@kalebv1161]

38:14 Bro what tf was that 😭

[@adriantrusca1245]

A doubt shriek.

[@Ioganstone]

Tina moment

[@luism8130]

Summer Games fest sucked. The Xbox showcase surprisingly felt like E3 was back! That was amazing.

[@Michael-jr3gz]

You're kidding right? That trashbox showcase was terrible

[@luism8130]

@@Michael-jr3gz uhh.. Fable, Gears of Wars, Perfect Dark, Indiana Jones, Avowed... or Lego Horizons....... How big of a fanboy are you?

[@TheBean87]

@@Michael-jr3gzpoor Michael can’t hold back the hurt after watching an actually showcase done great.

[@TheBean87]

@@luism8130he’s a massive fanboy, you will catch him on all the Xbox videos telling people that ps5 is better.

[@stephen865]

It was the best Xbox showcase in 20 years, usually there shit

[@purrspctiv]

38:13 Alex gets possessed

[@eternalbeing3339]

They put 8k on the box because technically, hdmi 2.1 supports 8k 60fps.

[@ketchup7867]

I find it weird that the jump was made from 4K to 8K instead of 5K or 6K. iMac displays are 5K and even though unnoticeable on 27” screens, it could benefit some scenarios

[@davidruppelt]

Me too. I really think 27" 5K and 32" 6K are good compromises and should be the next step after 4K. Everytime apple does something I disagree with the whole industry follows, but with displays they are actually doing a great job and nobody seems to care.

[@ketchup7867]

@@davidruppelt I like Apple products and I think they’re doing something right in here. Imagine a 77” TV 5K resolution. It should be noticeable to the eye, but not too heavy to render on pro machines.

[@ALTRON3]

FPS over 4K any day. 'they' go on about 8k when we cant even get acceptable FPS at 4K without spending 1000s of dollars.

[@shambler7359]

Sony removed the 8K logo from the Ps5 box?? Good, now I hope they truthfully change it to 1440p.

[@electrikoptik]

Why? Quality mode in many games run at or near native 2160 @ 30 fps. 1440p is mostly in performance mode @ 60fps. Whether you choose quality or performance mode the signal is still output at 4K to your tv.

[@ErenTheWarcriminal]

@@electrikoptikHelldivers 2 1080p with big framedrops

[@electrikoptik]

@@ErenTheWarcriminal Helldivers 2 has two modes. The performance mode runs at 1080p, while the quality mode steps up to approximately 1728p. “Helldivers' performance mode runs smoothly. We're mostly at 60fps in typical play, with a very smooth readout, especially when combined with the game's motion blur. The game can suffer from extended dips into the 50s though, typically during larger firefights. In my gameplay the worst I saw was about 50fps, so the game does manage to stay pretty close to 60fps more generally, although it can spend a long time hovering in the 50s in extended firefights.” Source: Oliver Mackenzie DF tech review

[@TheBean87]

@@electrikoptikbecause ps5 is basically a ps4.5

[@ParadoxalDream]

@@electrikoptik Which is still not 4K.

[@theveay]

When it comes to games with groundbreaking graphics, it was Soul Calibur for me, on Dreamcast. Could not believe my eyes.

[@squelching]

There's something about it that still stands up to this day.

[@vatsinkumar331]

I like it more when they discuss hardware/software diagnosis rather than games.

[@SKHYJINX]

Red Faction 2 destruction was a wow moment in early games for me.