DF Direct Weekly

[@kohlmannj]

“Welcome, in a sense” - Rich, contemplating the virtual, non-corporeal nature of DF Direct

[@hommie126]

He is contemplating on the metaphysical 😂.

[@WayStedYou]

Rich didn't even welcome us in the here and now.

[@kohlmannj]

@@WayStedYou Rich was clearly shaken by the possibility of a digital-only PS5 Pro

[@tipoomaster]

🤣

[@milklordnomadic]

Hyperreal Rich Leadbetter

[@jamois]

Oliver referring to John as one of the”the adults” 20 minutes after he asked if they could pronounce PSSR as “pisser” 😂

[@joewatson7069]

It's a valid question haha

[@youtubevanced4900]

I’m actually disgusted they aren’t saying Pisser. It’s a Piss weak attitude.

[@KamasamaK]

Makes sense to ask the guy who keeps pronouncing ROG as a word if he would like to do that with PSSR as well.

[@honkyjesuseternal]

It will basically be a FSR 1 in terms of quality. The Pro will have a PS5 2020 CPU just overclocked.

[@cacarey01]

Olli is big brain. Somone asks him a question and he immediately reels off really insightful and seemingly thought out answers, but just off the top of his head. And he's able to list off examples to back up anything he says while he's going. Wish my brain worked like that !

[@AnalogFoundry]

He's good!

[@mbsfaridi]

Indeed, a great addition.

[@SPG8989]

@@cacarey01 lol big brain? Guy just slobbers and lists everywhere

[@redsnake9]

Makes sense with his journalist background

[@jjboonzaier]

They won't swollow as much if any cost for the Pro version. This isn't the main console. Oliver is 100% correct. From a business perspective

[@davidpliskin3330]

It’ll be over $900 in Canada. Didn’t work with VR2 won’t work with this.

[@jjboonzaier]

@@davidpliskin3330 this doesn't need to be for everyone, this will be for a small segment, hence why the volumes will be small. It makes sense. VR is not that popular anyways jotbthe same thing

[@AthleticHobo-br4qh]

They just don't want to lose their most lucrative hard-core gamers to pc as was the case with alot during the ps3/x360 Era. Pro should be equivalent to 7700xt or future 8600xt/ 9500xt equipped pcs. But if someone wants a 8700 or 9600xt or better performance, the Sony execs are outta luck.

[@e2rqey]

They've also completely dominated this generation and have almost no real console competition. It's not like they have to price it competitively at all.

[@tomsimmons7673]

MGS3 is the perfect remake.

[@_n8thagr8_63]

"proper piss--crisp scaling" lmao

[@BleedForTheWorld]

Banger

[@miguelroman4294]

🎯💯😜

[@tazeem103]

Kekd

[@dan_loeb]

big piss technology

[@asad9414]

Richard has become rather desaturated today, as compared to last time

[@youp1tralala]

RTX off this time

[@WayStedYou]

thats because he is pre recorded and not in the here and now for this video

[@thebutterflyking]

Haha you noticed too

[@Relex_92]

Oh noo D:

[@consorte101]

HDR FTW

[@NintenJon64]

I’ve been waiting for this very moment: Four nerds gathered together in one glorious podcast of bespoke proportions.

[@bittercamari]

bespoke

[@officegossip]

According to your description I don’t think you had to wait long for one of those to pop up.

[@dw7122]

John "I think those racing stripes are pretty sharp". Agreed, but they failed to add fins to lower wind resistance

[@SlayerSeraph]

Looks like pretty bad dust catching slots, pain to clean lol

[@vjmtz]

flames, no buy. I need my console to look like its tearing ass all over the road when its standing still - Carl

[@joewatson7069]

I clocked that simpsons reference too. Touché, John

[@sjake333]

John deserved more of a reaction for that comment!

[@brandontalbort]

I came here for this comment. They guys didn't even react.

[@tipoomaster]

>PS5 Pro name leaked >It's PS5 Pro

[@kieran.grant_]

Reminds me of God of War: Ragnarok. Everyone just kept calling it that, so they went ahead and made it the official title. Of course in this instance "PS5 Pro" was probably the only name ever considered

[@aniak2359]

>PS5 Pro design leaks >It looks like a normal PS5

[@Enderu666]

Be thankful it's not Microsoft making it or we would be looking forward to the PS Elite X AI or some such nonsense.

[@ForeChin99]

>it's bottomless

[@AltCutTV]

With those striped wing vents whatever, they should just have driven the point all the distance and named it "PS5 GT". 😺

[@JerryFlowersIII]

2:08:00 Subject: 720p A big reason 720p doesn't really work now but did work well in the PS3 era is the higher density of details in the environment. On PS3 you would get a couple of large bilboards for grass if you're lucky but now, grass is hugely rich with individual blades being rendered. There is so much texture and geometric complexity that at low rez you'll only get massive amounts of shimmery aliasing, or blurry upscaling.

[@KrisDee1981]

You are right, but he is comparing terrible FSR from 720p to native 720p. I'll give you my example with RE4 Remake. That game on PC doesn't have DLSS, and FSR looks terrible as usual. I was comparing 4k FSR quality to TAA with 80% resolution scale, and to me 80% res looks much better. It's slightly softer but stable in motion so you get consistent PQ. FSR looks ok on screen shots, but in motion looks really bad with terrible shimmering. Both modes perform about the same.

[@clifflenoir4323]

Most screens in the PS3 era were 480p, 720p or occasionally 1080p. So 720p was more like 1440p on a 4k screen today

[@corey2232]

As great as I expect Avowed to be, that developer's comments ring hollow when they're choosing to show off demo builds of the game all running at 60 fps... Everything he said about not "needing" 60 fps or the other excuses used to justify 30 get thrown out the window when even Obsidian is showing off PC versions of the game. That just tells me that even they know 60 fps looks better & people prefer the higher frame rate. That being said, he did say it will be 30 fps at a "minimum," and like most Xbox titles, I fully expect a 60 fps mode will be added post launch (if it's not already being added now, given their extra 6 month delay).

[@Sweetzluf]

Didn't he also say I'm paraphrasing "a singleplayer fps don't need 60 fps" or something like that? To me that is a big oof. That sentence could have worked if avowed was a 3rd person single player game. In my mind, 60 fps in first person is WAY MORE important. Anyway, I too will play on PC so this won't matter to me personally, I just feel bad for the xbox bros.

[@yonkocommander5531]

I'm a big PC guy and even I love seen Mark Cerny every 7 or so years give a masterclass on hardware engineering

[@spacecoffee6706]

So good it can't keep 60fps or native 1440p 3 years later

[@PositronCannon]

@@spacecoffee6706 That has little to do with the hardware itself and everything to do with most developers prioritizing the wrong aspects as they usually do. By that logic every console ever has been terrible, given that performance always degrades in their later years as devs push for more eye candy. A console is a fixed platform with known specs, if you as a developer make a game for it that runs poorly and at a low resolution, that's entirely on you.

[@cikame]

I'd need to go back and watch his presentations because i feel like most of what he shows doesn't end up getting used much at all.

[@originalityisdead.9513]

​@PositronCannon It has everything to do with the hardware. The PS5 has an incredibly weak CPU when compared to today's standards, even Zen 3 chips are miles ahead. Then there's the GPU that is basically a budget class 1080p GPU from the last generation. The PS5 is best suited to running 8th gen games with a patch for native PS5 support. Otherwise, the hardware simply can't keep up.

[@anssiaatos]

I think Cerny is a brilliant mind even if I don't know him personally. Looking forward to his show if there's one!

[@DUDEDUDE33]

Richard with all his sons, what a treat

[@chutcentral]

No, Alex is missing.

[@jstro-hobbytech]

they gave a cop out answer about the power of the 4090. completely invalidates the 99.9 percent of pc gamers who cant afford much more than a 3070 or 4070. basically a suck it up answer. this comes from someone with a 4090 and excited for the 5090 but not so entitled as to be that arrogant. it's funny, the more i watch them the more i realize they use their lack of knowledge using industry specific jargon and acronyms to befuddle most viewers and look down upon their betters. they cant even draw a flow chart to describe how a frame is drawn from a zoomed out map view. this generation is mostly a wash for triple a because unreal runs like ass and it's employed by so many studios now. temporal upscaling never looked good but they now change their minds hahaha please dont fanboy me as im as apt to be wrong as right and creator worship is worse than celebrity worship these days. everyone pisses and shits themselves the same way, living and when dead.

[@forasago]

@@chutcentral Alex isn't his son, he's the exchange student visiting the family.

[@Nick-tl7ts]

Can't wait for another Cerny ASMR

[@tom_123]

Same. I’ve zero interest in a PS5 Pro but the possibility of a new Cerny presentation and subsequent ASMR mix is very appealing.

[@DaniMacYo]

Haha I hope so. I have the OG PS5 one converted to MP3 on my Phone and listening to him talk while I sleep 😅

[@seangalvin4582]

All the talk of MGS: Delta has me nostalgic for Splinter Cell. Those games had incredible use of light and shadow in the early 00s. Imagine what they can do today. I wish we could get remakes of the original trilogy. They might be a little short by modern standards so maybe we could get them in one package or perhaps individually with some expanded or even added levels. I hope MGS Delta sells well so there will be more incentive for SC remakes.

[@chillnspace777]

Man splinter cell with today's ray tracing would be cool

[@murkser4149]

Isn't Ubislop working on a Splinter Cell remake?

[@richardtucker5938]

There are remaking Splinter Cell! I still need to play them (outside short session at a mates),i don't know how i missed out on them , i always loved Metal gear solid and Hitman, some of my all time fav games

[@russellcarey3568]

3 days till Astro drops 💙

[@MargaretDyke-x1k]

You know dis

[@DuckAlertBeats]

Three days?! I forgot it was so soon! I have a physical copy pre-ordered too!

[@NintenJon64]

Geez, that’s quick! Thought it was going to release in October or November for some reason.

[@peteparker22]

Didn't realize it was so soon. I'm still playing Black Myth and Outlaws lol.

[@Michael-ns3lj]

And I mean have you seen how good it looks!! No need for a ps5 pro there

[@pachinkor83]

Mark Cerny has immense ASMR energy, you just want to hear the man talk about tech. Maybe they can still have him narrate over a 5 minute presentation within a state of play but it certainly won't have the energy of a big on stage presentation.

[@redpassionmark4113]

Genuinely laughed my ass off at the pisser joke. Fell out I tell you! Caught me off guard. 🤣🤣🤣

[@joewatson7069]

"I think therefore I am" - Richard Leadbetter

[@PositionOffsetGaming]

19:28 I think the fact this console is targeting enthusiasts makes it easier for Sony to market. Because 95% of that group of people already know the benefits. The ones who would want one are already right here watching videos like this one

[@THU31]

It probably took a lot of R&D money to create that console, so I wonder how many units they have to sell to make a profit (even if the margins are high). Personally I'm not getting the Pro, because I only play first party titles on Sony consoles, and it doesn't seem like there are many coming.

[@phant0mdummy]

You understand we are the minority. Like there may be 700k of us out of all the people who own Sony, and a fraction of that buys a Pro. The casuals far surpass our army.

[@HeretixAevum]

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one that likes the PS5's design.

[@Camdavis11]

I definitely like it. It is monolithic alien and imposing while still maintaining an air of playfulness

[@CatalystOfFire]

It is definitely the 2nd ugliest thing in my living room, besides me. It's basically the leg lamp from Christmas Story.

[@V_-._.-_]

I really wish that John got to play the Silent Hill 2 preview. He is a big fan of the original.

[@Camdavis11]

Man, leaving John out of that SH2 conversation was a big mistake. Lots of inaccuracies there.

[@David-ln8qh]

agreed

[@stephenenzor9385]

Bump

[@kenneld]

Irrespective of his technical expertise, I'm always impressed with how well-spoken Oliver is.

[@joewatson7069]

He's a compelling orator, to be sure

[@techsamurai11]

@@joewatson7069 A presumptive, yet compelling orator! 😀 He's very good at organizing his thoughts quickly.

[@gatsu718]

If i can play games like ff7, ff16, Wukong and some others at 60 without them look downgraded i personally do see a need for the Pro, Ill just sell my PS5 and pay the difference 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@WASD-MVME]

You are not getting that it will be a 15-20% bump at the end of the day with some marketing b.s remember when the PS5 launched 4k 120 blah blah people bought it hook line and sinker they know their audience it will have 8-10% adoption rate if that just like the PS4 pro

[@BUPMY1]

​@@WASD-MVME So the Pro is a waste of time and resources?

[@Doge10YT]

​@@WASD-MVMEImprovements to scaling up to a higher resolution have definitely happened. Could easily be pretty big.

[@fafski1199]

@@BUPMY1 Pretty much!! They should have just bit the bullet, ditched the Pro and released the PS6 earlier than was anticipated (2026). Now they'll be forced to wait it out for yet another 4 years, until 2028. So you'll end up with either a badly aging PS5 right up until 2028 or owning a PS5 Pro for 4 years, that only gives a minor improvement over the PS5. Which would you honestly prefer if you had the choice: A PS5 Pro this year with a Zen 2 CPU and a RDNA 3.5 GPU with a lot of aging parts and tech from out of the PS5? Or a PS6 in just 2 years time with a Zen 6 CPU and RDNA 5 GPU, along with new parts and new tech (faster SSD, GDDR7 memory, PCIe 5 ect. )?

[@jondough3339]

That’s not a problem with hardware. Those games aren’t fully optimized for ps5. There are games that came out in 2020 that look and run 1million times better than most games released today. A perfect example is demon souls remake. There is no need for a pro version. If developers aren’t fully utilizing the ps5 than the games aren’t going to look / run good.

[@SuperrHands]

Ah, 2 hours of DF therapy, perfect cure to a Monday.

[@Jakco808]

Fr

[@jonasking9587]

This Monday is the beginning of a sorely needed weekend with no kids home, for me and the lady. I just got a stupid PS Portal. Not leaving bed.

[@BUPMY1]

​@@jonasking9587 You're not BBQing for labor day?😮

[@PunkarellaOG]

Perfect cure from a Tuesday early morning as well

[@davillain9974]

Happy Labor Day

[@0dn4mr4]

I hope Astro Bot sells millions, so maybe Sony realize that this is the kind of games that they should be investing on, instead of horrendous GaaS like flopcord

[@VariantAEC]

Hope you preordered, then.

[@0dn4mr4]

​@@VariantAECi did, and I'm about to get the platinum

[@graham3400]

Welcome, in a sense. Please open every show like this from now on.

[@Champ271]

We only know one thing for sure. PS5 Pro will release before GTA VI

[@honkyjesuseternal]

And the Pro CPU will be about 1.4 percent more powerful than Series X.

[@Chasm9]

Totally agree with John about 40fps. I often lock my fps to 40, whack everything to max, sometimes use DLAA if I can afford it (on a 4090). It's basically 1/6 Vsync on my 240Hz panel, and with nice motion blur it looks super stable, super smooth. More devs should optimize their games for 40 fps on consoles as more and more 120Hz TVs are being sold, and if it meant dropping the often horribly performing performance modes, they should just focus all their time and effort to 30fps/60Hz and 40fps/120Hz modes.

[@PositionOffsetGaming]

40 is immensely better than 30 fps, 100%. But 60 is still nice when feasible, and a must for multiplayer games

[@Chasm9]

@@PositionOffsetGaming oh yeah, excluding MP games and MP modes in SP games, ofc.

[@shaunnightfire8269]

40 fps and 60 fps for heavy titles; 60 fps and 120 fps for lighter esport titles.

[@KrisDee1981]

You don't want to use vsync at 40fps. On PC better use VRR for lower input lag.

[@yoyo-nf1ww]

I dont agree with Avowed being okay at the bare minimum 30 FPS. that just says it all. Today people just WANT MORE FPS, so if a game is built at 30 FPS, making some the efforts to add a 40 FPS mode is mandatory to respond this new demand by players...

[@Safetytrousers]

I played RDR2 on PS4 Pro at 30fps. It never looked wrong to me. 30fps on console looks so much better than 30fps on PC.

[@David-ln8qh]

@@Safetytrousers I think it's more about distance from your display and controller vs keyboard/mouse.

[@jdgonzo1982]

Bloodborne Remaster (PS5 Pro version...60fps) would help shift the system...

[@jarlwhiterun7478]

Relying on remakes and remasters is pathetic. Sony fans lol

[@peite7878]

60fps… only on PS5 Pro 😂

[@stephenclarke4505]

Sony just need to put 16K on the box. Simple

[@hulkhogan12345]

Says the man who says hellbalde is game of the year 😂😂😂

[@gordoncampbell7858]

The look on Richards face when PSSR was reanounced

[@jimbob8992]

He was taking the pisser.

[@kasjamm]

Why do developers sacrifice image quality? Just lower everything until the image quality is good. Having higher settings is pointless if you can't see it

[@kieran.grant_]

Honestly, you've got a point there. It's how I play my games on PC after all. That being said, there is _also_ something to be said for having really high fidelity assets and settings, at the cost of resolution or performance. It's kind of a fine line to walk though, and a lot of developers lately seem to be falling from that line or willfully jumping off and counting on FSR2 to save them

[@Doge10YT]

A mix is probably best

[@TruTrae]

I assume it's because at couch distance image quality doesn't matter as much as when you're playing at a desk. I can play a game that's 720p upscaled to 1440p and enjoy my time on the couch but at the desk it just looks like shit unless the game just has a great implementation of DLSS/TSR. Of course it's not optimal at all for a game to rely on upscaling that much but I think that's why devs sacrifice resolution when developing console games.

[@budthecyborg4575]

100% agree. "4K Medium" is infinitely better looking than "1080p Ultra".

[@samthomas6045]

I just pray to god they use a unified design in regards to cooling. With the 5/5 slim they used 4 different fan manufacturers, so it's a complete lottery if you got a quiet one or not.

[@NotoriousRawDogger]

Am lucky to have gotten a quiet one

[@deepblue8143]

Mine sounded like a vacuum on a good day and like a jet engine on a bad day, it used to make me laugh like are you hearing this?!

[@peite7878]

Not forgetting the inadequately made PSU on my launch unit which suffers from coil whine during heavy load. I’m worried about coil whine on Pro during heavy load. I’m thinking of getting a slim which has better PSU… or I’ll just wait for PS6

[@kendric_BUF]

the bent usb port on Rich's Yeti mic stresses me out

[@drunksquirrel2051]

See a therapist

[@MeltWithU]

I am OK if they do not use raytracing in MGS 3. Because without it, there should be no question with them getting to 4K/60, which means that it’ll look sharp and solid. Which we are getting very little of this generation. Raytracing has been very underwhelming except for one or two games this generation. Metro being one of them. Which reached high resolutions and used full scene ray tracing, which is absolutely amazing and I wish they would share their techniques with the rest of the world.

[@ilikelines7271]

ikr I just want 4K 60 to be the standard

[@aaronlauretani8921]

They're right about the PS5 Pro having limited appeal. The Quality modes of many PS5 games are barely visually distinguishable from the Performance modes, so being able to play a game on Quality at 60 FPS won't be that big of a deal (certainly not for up to $600 USD). Also, raytracing gives a very subtle and difficult to notice visual difference unless it's reflections, so if the Pro can only really handle raytraced shadows, I don't see that providing much value either. I think its machine learning capabilities will be the biggest factor.

[@Vonliktenstien]

2:03:17 This. People need to stop sleeping on a 40 fps cap for those really graphically intensive single player games. Feels great with Reflex enabled on a gamepad. VRR with LFC in an approx 80hz container and you get much more consistent frame times and a lower power bill to boot.

[@AquaticMammalOnBicycle]

“Graphically intensive” is superficial and doesn’t matter. Every technological quantity in console games has increased over the decades, except framerate which has overall decreased (60fps always, until it was thrown out in 90’s and then remained spotty for decades up to today).

[@Skasua]

The point of a Pro is to benefit all games on PS5, not just with an update. So it better enhance all PS5 games in a good way.

[@honkyjesuseternal]

Too bad that won't be an FPS boost as the CPU is so dreary. You will get higher resolutions, though.

[@Skasua]

@@honkyjesuseternal that’s fine with me, most 60fps games look great

[@Armzed1]

It would be good if the pro can give higher framerates for ps4 games ,like xbox series x does for 360 games. So many games i wanna replay with better frames,it probably wont happen🙄

[@PositionOffsetGaming]

It will. There will be a boost mode for all prior games. And leaked documents show that PS5 Pro support will be mandatory after September, it won't be optional like the PS4 Pro was

[@PositionOffsetGaming]

​@@honkyjesuseternalthe CPU is going to be noticably more powerful. The L0 and L1 caches are doubled. That will have a much bigger impact than the meager clockspeed increase

[@danielbenton4977]

Enjoyed the subtle Simpsons nod with the racing stripes looking pretty sharp

[@thebutterflyking]

Rich looks less red this week. Better camera filtering / lighting or more rest perhaps

[@bastian9720]

This is rich with rtx on

[@ghost085]

He tonned down the subsurface scattering.

[@SlayerSeraph]

He has improved Rich's Shading and reduced Digital Vibrance, optimizing HDR color gamut

[@ErenTheWarcriminal]

The volumetric voxel-fog is doing some heavy lifting here

[@VincentVanBro]

Mighta just been a sunburn

[@Alex_Logan22]

“It would be viewed as a disappointment for not pushing the VR medium forward.” That’s all Asobi had to say regarding this issue, John should be their PR guy. There should definitely be more hybrid games but one as a follow-up to an industry benchmark is kinda awkward and perhaps not the best decision, though I can imagine that’s exactly what Valve might be doing right now for Half-Life 3 so it’s up for debate. It’s kinda like the last 2D Mario game after Mario Odyssey, you have to reset your expectations but you can still get something wonderful.

[@thephreshninja]

Black Myth: Potato Kong on Switch. Let's go!!

[@youp1tralala]

Rendered in glorious 120p and DF gushing about an 'impossible" port resulting in a pixel diarrhea

[@cosmosofinfinity]

@@youp1tralala It will be one single pixel in the center of the screen, at 6000fps

[@purebaldness]

38:07 - curious 1:09:56 - curious 1:42:58 - bespoke* 1:44:16 - curious 1:49:37 - bespoke 2:13:45 - bespoke *quoted so arguably doesn't count

[@brettboi3730]

Quite the bespoke list, my friend. I'm curious what this list would look like if we added all instances of "I would say" 🤔

[@purebaldness]

@@brettboi3730 Thank you for your kind words. You could also add "right?" to that list. It'd be pretty long, that's for sure!

[@keanuchampion]

i think there will be a suprising amount of people upgrading purely for gta 6

[@BUPMY1]

A lot of the casuals would just buy the cheaper option.

[@ItsameMatt]

Not if you are buying it on Xbox.

[@caseypenk]

i would do that for sure

[@TheKing8608_]

@@BUPMY1no the wouldn’t because they’re gonna want the best looking version

[@GunFeverr]

It’s absolutely going to be live service everywhere to ensure SP isn’t getting in the way of MTX, just look at how they treated GTA V SP they stopped adding the new weapons and vehicles to it when they realized people would get them there instead of spending real money for them in Online, it’s also a reason they never added new story DLC so anything new was locked behind Online and it’s numerous money gates

[@DankGank]

A hell of a lot of people use their console as a home theatre set up, any not being able to play Blu-Rays would suck

[@kelownatechkid]

None of the current consoles can play 3D Blu-ray, even psvr2 can't do it. Major reason home theater types have avoided the new consoles

[@RiseAgainst004]

That sounds insane to me. A ps5 sucks like 5x the power on IDLE what a blu ray player does.

[@phattiger1506]

I don't know anyone that uses physical media for playback. Even those with home theatres I know purchase physical media, then digitalise it, and play it off network storage.

[@deepblue8143]

​@RiseAgainst004 I don't care how much power it sucks. That's something I've never even thought about, it makes no difference.

[@deepblue8143]

​@@phattiger1506all we use is physical media.

[@walter_the_wobot2349]

Remember when Phil Spencer said that as long as he’s running Xbox, they would always have the most powerful box. Remember when he said how bummed he was that the PS4 was more powerful than the Xbone?

[@ZeitGeist_TV]

This generation no one projected a Pro console from Sony since last generation was an anomaly in terms of a mid gen refresh doubling TF performance.

[@PositionOffsetGaming]

​​@@ZeitGeist_TVwhat are you talking about? lol There's been buzz for a PS5 Pro pretty much as soon as the base PS5 launched. And Microsoft were originally planning to do a mid-gen refresh too in the docs leaked from the Activision trial. They just decided they still wouldn't be able to compete so instead are opting to jump into the next generation 2 years early

[@ZeitGeist_TV]

@@PositionOffsetGaming Xbox mid gen refresh was not one with more powerful GPU or anything it was just a die shrink and design change with more storage. Rumors of a Pro are just rumors.

[@PositionOffsetGaming]

@@ZeitGeist_TV no, these were official slides Microsoft themself leaked during the trial. Not your standard rumor

[@AltCutTV]

No. And neither does Phil.

[@matepoon]

No disc drive included in a 'Pro' version of the console is ludicrous. It's the hardcore, enthusiast fan that will buy this. The kind that likely collects physical PS games. Like me! John on the money with his comments.

[@Decenium]

Intel struggling financially is an hilarious statement

[@echoshatter]

There is such a thing as "house poor" where you are living large but paycheck to paycheck. Intel has been struggling for a while which you can see with the layoffs, and the latest issues likely have incurred significant costs both in the present and in the future. They've been losing ground to AMD, and the reputational hits from all these issues is likely going to make that worse. So yeah, they might have a bunch of assets and have lots of revenue, but they might be running on shoestring budgets and low profits or even deficits.

[@palaczy]

About PS5 pro, they should release upgrade patches day-one for all PS Studios releases. Even simple tweaks like unlocking 4K + 60FPS + already implemented RT features that we can play without weird modes to choose. New hardware can be cool but we don't have time to wait another pale 2 years to see some upgraded new games worth play - That's pointless.

[@drunksquirrel2051]

Not gonna happen

[@palaczy]

@@drunksquirrel2051 hehehe I had a good nose! It will happen :)

[@spenny2cents]

@@palaczythis is now confirmed. PS5 Pro will double frame rates of games like Last of Us Remakes, Demon Souls, and they also used FF Rebirth as an example of benefits. GT7 now has raytracing reflections in races instead of replays only! Not to mention improvements to VR2…

[@rapzid3536]

Ya'll should certify games as stutter-free.

[@starkraven1148]

I honestly hope if mgs delta does well they’ll do a Metal Gear Solid remake. It’s in desperate need. Its still my favorite of the series

[@DevonCM]

Honestly I hope they're planning on doing 3-1-2 back-to-back in the same way with a very tight release window, and are already well into the production of 1 and 2. It would suck to have to wait 3-5 years for the next one in line and risk production issues or "insufficient" sales getting in the way of them being finished and coherent with each other. The only issue/question is how they would handle MGS with this model. Sons of Liberty can be done 1:1 just like Snake Eater, but then do they copy Twin Snakes for 1? That could be a tricky decision to make. The possibility of them doing MG and MG2 is also interesting, but if they do it chronologically that pushes Sons of Liberty out to at least the end of the decade, which means "next-gen" and likely a big disparity between that and Snake Eater when really it would be best if they were all tight and consistent.

[@craigsampson3386]

​@@DevonCM totally agree apart from the "big disparity" comment, next gen won't offer any meaningful upgrade in fidelity apart from ray tracing which they could be using in this Snake Eater remake too, but supposedly are choosing not to according to Tom in this video because they're aiming for 1 to 1 originality which includes lighting. So because of these artistic design choices from the devs for this remake, i personally think a hypothetical Sons of Liberty remake on PS6 will look basically the same as this PS5 Snake Eater remake which isn't a bad thing it still looks great.

[@Chasm9]

Judging by Rich's Black Myth benchmark on 5500XT, the S will probably look like a PS4 game running with FSR@50% @ 1080p, with Low / Medium settings. 🥴

[@corey2232]

Given that the Switch 2 will launch less powerful than a Series S, I'm interested to see how the conversation changes when there's another tier lower than Series S for current gen games.

[@Thedudec]

It's legit gonna look like a PS2 game.

[@BlazeEcho9]

But anyway will be has a more memory than s,+ it need render a more low resolution+ switch 2 not direct competitor to main consoles

[@Bersi1337]

Releasing the Pro without a disc drive has in my opinion two faces: a.) It is maybe a good playground due to the buyers split that we ve seen on the 4 Pro. So the risk would be maybe lower especially with people who wants it. b.) The Pro is said to have an impact on all the games due to an easy approach with PSSR. But if people who are on discs cant even re-play their old value that d be a straight punch to the face. I dont see it. Money wise it is clever to go with the detachable drive which is already available. Get both markets, make some additional money and keep entry price lower.

[@Pecetos]

I would probably buy ps5 pro day 1 but if it is diskless im not buying ever.

[@kieran.grant_]

Same here, that's the only piece of information I'm waiting on

[@hollyc5417]

Good. More for me.

[@Armzed1]

It will probably have the detachable disc drive option....just another way Sony can squeeze more money out of us....if the Pro costs around £600 on its own them youre gonna have to fork out more for the drive. Sony doing what sony does best. The dualsense edge stick modules are anorher scam,if you play competitive FPS,your sticks wont last long 4 months at most.

[@amnril]

It’d be madness not to have a disk’d version so I shouldn’t worry. Saying that, if it’s digital only then I too shan’t buy it.

[@azazelleblack]

RE: Supporter Q3, Intel has no experience building a large APU. The last time they did anything like that, they subcontracted the GPU to AMD. I don't think Intel has the bandwidth (in terms of human resources) to handle a project like a console APU.

[@Simon-L-B]

Games should not be struggling on consoles. Given that for the vast majority, the gameplay is no more complex than we’ve had for 20-30 years, it’s just developers pushing graphics just a bit too far. If they just scaled back a tad we’d have so much more stable 60fps games but with 80%+ of the image quality

[@yomamasohot6411]

Complaining about developers pushing graphics too far under a DF video is certainly a choice😂

[@TheCrewExpendable]

@@yomamasohot6411 The Demon's Souls remake runs at 60fps on the PS5 and still looks better on a technical level than basically every other game on the console. It certainly looks and runs better than Wukong. Even Horizon 2, Ragnarok, TLOU2, and Tsushima are basically just PS4 games and all look better than the vast majority of PS5 games and run at a locked 60fps.

[@Simon-L-B]

@@yomamasohot6411 how so? I’m just repeating/agreeing what they themselves say almost every video - graphics settings set too high resulting in poor performance. If you’ve been watching their videos for any length of time you’d know they focus on and prefer stable framrate and especially frame pacing/timing

[@GunFeverr]

It’s not John brings this up all the time and has frequently brought up how increasingly unsustainable pushing graphics has made the industry

[@anssiaatos]

Looking back what kind of crap graphics I have enjoyed and immersed myself in, makes me realise that the graphics were not so important after all 😁

[@GermanEnigma]

There is a KZbin video of Hideo Kojima opening the collectors edition of Black Myth Wukong which he has purchased. Then, he goes back to work on DS2 with a large rectangular dev kit on the workstation that is unsurprisingly covered up with a black cloth.

[@peteparker22]

Love hearing 2 guys that didnt like Silent Hill 2 talk about the remake lol

[@BUPMY1]

Is the remake design to appeal to a new audience?

[@Slaughter_Hill]

@@BUPMY1reviews said the game is basically copy/paste besides new enemies and enemy placement so idk

[@kosmosyche]

​​@@Slaughter_HillNah, man, I've been a fan of SH2 since 2001, played it at least 10 times over the years, and I barely recognise the game. For better or worse they changed a lot. Even the puzzles and some locations are completely different. Even most of the messages are different. Of course something as iconic as "There was a hole here. It's gone now" is still in the game, but everything around it looks different. And the atmosphere doesn't feel the same, not saying it's better or worse, just different. I don't know how anyone could say it's a copy and paste job, they should replay the original.

[@Slaughter_Hill]

@@kosmosyche the game is expanded. More puzzles and locations that weren’t in the original. The game looks like a borderline copy paste. You’re not going to say that game is ruined because you find a radio in a different place? Those are small details that are welcomed in a remake. Like resident evil 4 being different to the original 4.

[@kosmosyche]

@@Slaughter_Hill I'm not gonna say it's copy and paste when it's not. lol Simple as that. It doesn't look like copy and paste. Have you even played the original? I know the original like my five fingers, it doesn't look the same, it doesn't feel the same and it's not the same. How is it copy and paste, bro? Also, I'm not gonna say the game is ruined, until at least I play it. Anyway, what a weird take. You accuse the game of being a copy a paste job (when it's clearly nothing of the sort) and then somehow you think I'm thinking that it is ruined, when I never implied anything of the kind.

[@jsnepo]

I really enjoyed the discussion between Oliver and Tom. You two should do more discussions like this.

[@Darth_Zabrak]

Oliver's Pupils are always so dialated, its wild

[@Trai1b1aze]

Well caffeinated.

[@joewatson7069]

You should see him at 4am in Berghain

[@jonahhekmatyar]

It's the middle of the night for him when they do these because he's in the US

[@UrmasPutnick]

​@@joewatson7069ah yes because it's so dark you mean? 😅

[@gerboog]

@@jonahhekmatyarhe is in canada not us.

[@SimplyMavAgain]

haven't owned a PS5 and not planning to, but i'm also an incredibly happy Dualsense user on PC. We've come far since the day of the Sixaxis when PCs would need third party apps to have the controllers even workable. You'll genuinely be surprised how well the Dualsense is integrated into the PC space these days. A small but ever growing number of games support DS5 specific features (all the big console PC ports tend to) and even most indie games have at least basic compatibility with this controller. I'm using its gyro to emulate the Wii mote pointer in Dolphin! For most older games you'll get by just fine using methods like Steam Input and for very very rare occasions you'll still have DS4Windows to fall back on. But i can count the number of times i've had to use that tool on a single hand. I can only recommend the Dualsense for any PC player and would love for Microsoft to finally bring some real additions to their controllers for the first time in over a decade. (The lack of gryo at this point is truly shameful.)

[@jonasking9587]

The v is a Roman five. It took me like three years to realize this. Hi from America. ... probably didn't have to say that last part.

[@chillnspace777]

Thanks. Doing all of us a favor 😂

[@joewatson7069]

Greetings from Carthage

[@DDLYVNM]

I like the idea of testing a game on 5 different specced computers and it gets a score based on how many of the 5 it can produce acceptable (numbers TBD) performance/imagequality. This game gets a 1 Rig out 5 because it only ran acceptably on the 4090 machine or somethin. Hard part would be deciding what the 5 representative machines were and when to update them, and what is 'acceptable' performance. Though obviously that caters towards lower specced games. Maybe the score is a Bronze 5 out of 5 because it runs well across all machines but isn't very ambitious and another is a Gold 3/5 because the lower machines are out but it strives for more. This is the problem with these quantitative things, always edge cases.

[@stephensanders2104]

I GOT GOOSEBUMPS OVER HERE FOR METAL GEAR 3 SNAKE EATER REMAKE

[@arggreen4649]

Goosebumps on your trouser snake?

[@SelfIndulgentGamer]

Richard appears genuinely surprised each week when he announces which episode the show is currently on. :D

[@MaschinenKopf1998]

I really like Oliver, glad he's here.

[@charlesshamseldin9555]

Agreed. I haven't heard anyone casually use bifurcate in conversation ever

[@cosmosofinfinity]

@@charlesshamseldin9555 Olie's words per second has a high throughput even at medium settings

[@mrwalker6026]

Imagine all those that purchase a PS5 Slim by mistake thinking it's a PS5 Pro in store....you'd think they design would be more unique for the Pro to differentiate it

[@blushslice]

The ps5 is already 600 CAN so the pro is easily gonna be a 1000 machine up here?!!?

[@razvanzamfir1545]

I'm hoping for some unreal trade in deal come the holiday season. I might bite for a 250-300$ max trade deal, assuming it has disk drive and there will be a killer presentation showing off the improvements

[@ArchieBunker11]

$600+$1000+8 years of subs($400?)= $2000 for a mid-high end PC from 2019(my 3080 pc cost $1600 in ‘20), with no mods, more expensive games(and less of them), and a closed ecosystem.

[@Glotttis]

Do you know what currency conversion is? By your logic PS5 should cost 500 YEN too?

[@ArchieBunker11]

@@Glotttis the currency conversion is what he said. Its $650(base”, and if the price is $6-700 usd for the PRO then it will be close to $1000. And subs are $70/year. Its total garbage for what looks like a console that at best will be inline with the 6800(non xt) matched with a low end processor from 6 years ago.

[@ErenTheWarcriminal]

Maybe annihilating Xbox wasn’t so good…

[@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE]

I wish they'd make the styling of the PS5 Pro more tasteful, like the PS2.

[@Laimean]

Huge L on 30fps and 720p discussion. 30 fps is not enough in 2025. Poorly upscaled 720p is not enough in 2025.

[@seanc6754]

Every car guy knows that racing stripes ALWAYS means faster mmmk :)

[@tom_123]

Watching tech journalists tip-toe around the 30fps issue is annoying.

[@AquaticMammalOnBicycle]

It’s really absurd and stunning to see here. John himself made the “60fps has always mattered” video, of course about an excellent classic from 1994 (Daytona USA). 30fps is a lowest common denominator cop out: pointless superficial “technology” for superficial gamers. It’s a shame to see excuses for 30fps given by people who know full-well that older weaker systems had 60fps games with “primitive” graphics (compared to today) and it was great and more than good enough. We don’t need more pixels or more reflections or finer shadows. 30fps ‘quality’ is for gawking at “I Paid Money For New Hardware”, not for playing games.

[@WaffleCake]

15FPS is insanely smooth with Asyncronous Time Warp.

[@ttenor12]

They should've sent John for trying Silent Hill 2... He's definitely more familiar with the original game.

[@echoshatter]

People are expecting 4K 60FPS because that's what the console makers were advertising their systems capable of, it's what is printed on the box in big letters and numbers. And yes, TECHNICALLY the consoles can produce a 4K native image at 60FPS, but to reach that developers have to really dial back the graphical quality, defeating the purpose of the rendering at such a high bandwidth. Heck, the PS5 says "8K" on the box right. It's all marketing lies.

[@madsandreassen5441]

Disc drive? Why do you think Sony have made the disc drive for the regular PS5 an add-on? Of course the Pro will be disc less and then you can buy and clip on a disc drive if you want it.

[@ChicagoBulls1984]

The slim came in 2 different SKUs. A digital, and a disc version. The disk version was 30 dollars cheaper vs getting a slim and buying the disc drive seperately

[@matt4193]

PS5 / Xbox Series happened before machine learning upscaling just like how the PS Triple had an nvidia GPU inserted onto it before unified shaders were common in that gpu design.

[@9r33ks]

I guess if Obsidian is happy with 30fps in their latest game, I'll be happy with not playing it. :D There is always some sort of excuse for why "it's OK" for a game to run at 30fps. "it's a single-player, so it's ok" "it's an RPG, so it's OK" "It's not an FPS, so it's OK"

[@yomamasohot6411]

Majority of all Xbox first party games were running at 30fps at launch. Did you not play any of them? It's rare that a first party game launches at 60fps on Xbox.

[@9r33ks]

@@yomamasohot6411 That being said, does it not make you scratch your head that we are stagnating at 30fps for over 20 years? I bet consoles will still rot at 30fps in 2040s.

[@wanshurst2416]

@@9r33ks there is a simple soultion: play on a pc instead of a console ^^

[@yomamasohot6411]

​​@@9r33ksthis isn't a console problem at large. This is a xbox problem. PS gets a 60fps performance mode day one for all first party games. If you prefer fidelity or fps the choice is yours.

[@wanshurst2416]

@@yomamasohot6411 i will never play on console again. It's just shit 😅 i want fidelity AND performance at the same time 😋

[@brendanconaway]

Dualsense is an amazing controller. Absolutely prefer it to Xbox controller - really hoping it gets fullest support someday.

[@dawinswaitingroom]

No disk drive is a deal breaker for me

[@drunksquirrel2051]

Wasn't meant for you to begin with

[@someshwarrao42]

It doesn’t matter what features Sony throws at the PS5 Pro. Every 3rd party developer is going to raise internal upscaling resolution, give it a PSSR/FSR/TSR pass and call it PS5 enhanced. Fundamentally things are not going to change.

[@andre_ss6]

I think one marketing strategy Sony could follow for the PS5 professional is to go ahead and make the review standards before games are approved on the store stricter requiring better image quality. That way they could both address the current complaints around IQ and at the same time show how new games coming to the pro would have significantly better graphics than the amateur due to the IQ requirements. That would please people who don’t care that much about graphics and don’t want to spend another $600 just to have better IQ while at the same time making a case for those that do care about graphics to upgrade.

[@johnsmith-v9t8o]

PS5 Pro, the high IQ device.

[@baundiesel]

The hopium that Sony will suddenly become a consumer friendly company by having the PS5 Pro have any compatibility with the other console side plates is interesting.

[@Simon-L-B]

30:47 “ps5 version is ready” - clearly it was not 🤣

[@TheBean87]

Yeah it’s hilarious watching people to try say it’s the series s when in reality it’s the game isn’t optimized correctly and they can’t even get it running smooth on a console 4x as powerful.

[@peteparker22]

I'm playing it on Ps5. Plays smooth and looks good

[@Simon-L-B]

@@peteparker22 fair play to you if it feels smooth, even if objectively per the tech analysis, it isn’t smooth

[@TheBean87]

@@peteparker22 no worries buddy not everyone can see clear and understand the difference between smooth/rough

[@JahonCross]

​@@peteparker22 Get your eye's checked out😅

[@AndyGilleand]

There is nothing wrong with a VR game only using the VR as a 3D display with a normal third person camera

[@MargaretDyke-x1k]

The one thing SH2 has over Hellbalde is that it's actually a game.

[@playerone2629]

Haven't play Hellbalde 2, so can't tell

[@x100bullets]

I feel like it would be a good tradition for John to start using his Meta Quest halfway through each of these vids

[@Valshiirs]

It bothers me that reflections ignore fog in SH2R.

[@names-are-for-friends]

Re: SH2. In the original game, other than the final fight, Pyramid Head always showed up unceremoniously in mundane locations. In fact, unlike SH1 and SH3, the second game did not have very obvious boss rooms; it made you fight bosses in mundane rooms. It was obviously deliberate. It's scarier to encounter Pyramid Head in a normal place than in a designated boss arena, since you then become afraid of normal places. I understand that Tom and Oliver aren't big SH fans - and that's fine - but they'd probably be better off not making these kinds of judgements if they don't understand the original work.

[@starbez]

Don't disk attachment also have to connect to sony server for first time validation?

[@liamflan9553]

Yes

[@starbez]

@@liamflan9553 One could hope that by the time the PS5 Pro becomes unsupported, there's a jailbreak for it.

[@stevenuss1482]

Yes please John - do a video about nearest/integer scaling and how bloody important it is. I don't think enough people are even aware of it.

[@Wizartar]

Don't start giving awards, you will just go full IGN and I'll unsub coz of the BS everything is a 7

[@m3lodeth]

Hi Digital Foundry! I think for a quantiative rating, the criterion is very important. It could be a simple as 3 rating system where 3 is perfect, 2 can still be improved 1 id simply bad. For criterion, based on your videos some of my suggestions are framerate stabolity for 30fps and 60fps. Image stability how low the internal resolution drops. Stuttering, a simple yes or no), sound and gameplay. UI/settings as well. Alex does love this. Other than that, a problem would be tying 30/60 fps to the resolution. Not sure, but I hope you guys find success in finding the best way to implement this!

[@ridleythestrange]

PS5 Pro better come with yellow plates to celebrate the new PSSR

[@kieran.grant_]

I don't get it Edit: alright, got it now

[@ridleythestrange]

@@kieran.grant_ PSSR = (Pisser)

[@yomamasohot6411]

​​@@kieran.grant_i have no clue what that means😅 Edit: got it

[@GermanEnigma]

I need a disc drive because I am watching 4K HDR Blu rays on PSVR2 in cinematic mode.

[@JerryFlowersIII]

Professionals use discs.

[@yoteca]

If the faceplates of the PS5 and the Pro are interchangeable, this could lead to a lot of foul play on the scalpers behalf. Swapping the Pro plates on a regular model and selling it as a Pro.