Don't PUSH off the back leg (shift pressure FORWARD and DOWN)

[@TM-DGG]

This is pretty fun from a physics perspective. I mean technically you can throw a disc with just one leg... Either one lol. But to be efficient you need both. Here is more of a focus on the transfer of energy. The slingshot guy has a focus on generating energy. His big flaw is he forgets about this thing called an x-step or run-up that generates plenty of momentum. You don't have to have this huge push off your back leg. He always demonstrates with this stand still side to side shuffle and exclaims how difficult and tiring it is. Well yeah, you're trying to accelerate a 200lb stationary object. I suppose his technique is great for standstills. 😅 Try doing a full sprint and instantaneously stop yourself with your plant leg. You can't. Your body has too much inertia. Point being, you shouldn't generate more energy than your plant leg can transfer. It will be wasted energy. I totally agree there are too many online coaches that just simply don't understand what they are teaching. You can't just watch a video and know what's happening. You can see the general motion of the throw, but what you can't see is what muscles are firing in which sequence with what percent of energy. Movements that are simply consequences of other actions incorrectly become a focal point in teaching. Long story short, in my opinion, the Spin Doc knows the way.

[@dgspindoctor]

Long story short: THANK YOU FOR TOTALLY UNDERSTANDING and putting it way better than I ever could.

[@jonskupee]

Eli mun narujaloilla ei kannata ottaa vauhtia ollenkaan vaan heittää standstillillä 😂😂

[@enzymeaoe]

Got to say, I bought the slinghsot course, it has some great points with getting body into position but I kept on rotating my hips too early. The feeling of putting weight on the front planted leg NEEDS to be emphasized to develop a real throw. Spin Doc has spelled this out in several videos and it has completely transformed my throw. Thank you!

[@timeandspacevintage3380]

"If you don't like this video, too bad I don't care, go practice" is the greatest line. I really need to figure out the brace asap good video as always

[@seancarver7905]

My form, power, and consistency has improved so much since finding your channel over the last month or so. Such an excellent teacher.

[@dgspindoctor]

Thanks! It takes two to teach, though.

[@charleshatch5619]

Me too man!

[@Yourtoxicity]

Came to say the same! Thanks, my guy

[@david6975]

Hey dude, about a month ago I posted on your video about focusing on the arm asking a question. After that, I watched all your Great One-on-One videos. Then I immediately bought a net and recorded myself throwing into it for one session, watching myself back each time in slow motion. Before I ever found your videos I had set a goal for 2023 to reach 350 feet. My max was 300, maybe 310 only once. After your videos, the training session with the net and watching it in slow mo and adjusting little by little, my next few rounds on the course I began noticing a change, but I wasn't quite sure. All I knew is throws were feeling easier, smoother, and with less effort. This past Sunday after a round I was feeling good and decided to let one rip in the field nearby since I hadn't measured anything for a while. I threw 362 feet, achieving my goal comfortably! Yesterday I went out for another field work session and hit 371 feet! Of course in only about a month I still need to get the consistency. However, my shortest throws yesterday were still 330+ feet which is more than my best throw with my old bad form. I threw about ten more 350+ feet shots, a couple of 360+ and of course the 371! All of these new distances were accurate as well by the way. My next step (before trying for 400) is to hit the 350 every time, which I know will come with keeping up the practice. But in about 3-4 weeks everything drastically changed for me thanks to your videos. You were so right when you said there is a ton of bad information on KZbin making viewers focus on all the wrong things. I know because I went down the same rabbit hole myself many times. Thanks for cutting out all the BS from your instructions and getting right to the point. Just for a frame of reference for anyone else that might read this, I'm 36, in okay shape (pretty much just pullups, weighted pushups, and leg raises only 3-4 times a week so nothing crazy) and my flexibility sucks. So if it's possible for me I think many others out there can benefit from these straight-forward videos. Thanks again!

[@dgspindoctor]

Wow. Just wow.

[@ContentsMayDiffer]

39, shitload of old injuries, more or less the same story. These teachings work, people! Do not fall into the trap of the coaching cult, listen to the Finnish guy that laughs when trying to convince you to have fun while having fun.

[@david6975]

@@ContentsMayDiffer Awesome to hear!

[@richardpounders2356]

Thank you for sharing. I’ve only been playing for 4 months now and your right it’s information overload out there. It’s great to hear someone stick with a certain coach or channel and get achievable results. Definitely hooked on the Spin Doctor now for sure!

[@professionalgiraffe]

I think many coaches on youtube try to explain similar concepts, but it doesn't click to the viewer until they watch it described in a certain way! You've helped me have a few "click" moments where I've just never been able to replicate what others are demonstrating. Thank you!

[@chuckstreet]

This video was a breakthrough for me. I've been able to focus my weight down into my bracefoot. The disc comes out so much faster and the discs fly truer to it's flight numbers. Thank you! Your content is some of the best out there.

[@nicholasmoreno7904]

Thanks for the video. You are the best teacher on KZbin! Before I started watching your video my shoulder was constantly hurting and I was throwing around 330 on average. My distance has increased 40 feet and my shoulder doesn’t hurt anymore. Keep making content and I’ll keep drilling. Can’t wait to get to 400 on average.

[@nicholasmoreno7904]

One year ago I posted to this video. I watched it this morning and it just clicked this time and I went to the field and drilled. I set a new PR of 519 with multiple throws over 500. I did have a favorable tail wind of 8-9 mph. But, today was the day I broke 500. Once again thank you for all that you do for the sport and sharing your knowledge and passion for disc golf. ❤

[@Jevee.]

As someone who is constantly trying to improve my own form, I cant thank you enough for your breakdowns and technique. Your style of teaching and understanding of the mechanics has unlocked so many light bulb moments for me during my journey. Thank you!

[@gtfothisplanet]

I absolutely love the obvious growing beef between Spin Doctor & Slingshot. Love this channel so much!

[@DavidCornelius]

They're mostly teaching the same thing once you dig into the details. No need to stir up trouble in our mostly happy land of disc golf 🌅

[@dgspindoctor]

Please, we definitely are not teaching the same thing. I don't want to be mixed up with that channel or method ever.

[@DavidCornelius]

@@dgspindoctor he doesn't teach pushing off the back leg, but drifting and shifting pressure. All good though, I appreciate your content and willingness to help out the community.

[@dgspindoctor]

He is definitely changing his views towards mainstream from the early days of 100% back leg to now being "both legs". He still doesn't understand the mechanics completely, which is why he makes everything sound so difficult.

[@gtfothisplanet]

@@DavidCornelius ok guy.

[@benachad]

I have followed closely your videos on bracing and coil. I got my first chance to work it in during some field work yesterday and today. I didn't get the timing precisely yesterday, but still my average drives were at the upper end of my usual drives with less effort. Today I was finally able to click in on the timing on 6 or 7 of my last 20 shots, including the last 3. Two of them were at least 25 feet beyond the upper end of my previous best and the final throw more than 50 feet further. I am convinced I can add even more distance as I continue working on other tips I have gleaned from your videos. You don't necessarily teach anything different that some of the other coaching videos I've seen. I think they were trying to get to the same place. But, for me, you have been the easiest to follow precisely what the objective is and how to get there. Thank you!

[@dgspindoctor]

Thanks! And I agree. I don't teach anything new. I don't try to reinvent the wheel but make it smoother.

[@LifeOfTommie]

Finally, after watching all your videos i am improving both on distance and accuracy. The video that did it for me was "focus on the hit" and all i had to do was to slow down step and x-step.. and boom everything was better. Not hurting in the shoulder or anything, even my elbow was getting better. Thank you Jaani! 🤟

[@dgspindoctor]

Thank you! Remember, it always takes two to teach, and you did the work.

[@SONICBOOMERSOONER]

This is a terrific video. You picked some odd examples though, as Dave Feldberg, like James Conrad, has a very pronounced forward lean toward the target, which dramatically changes his spine orientation through the shot. These are very much throw off the front legs guys for sure. IMHO, much better examples of throwing around a spine that doesn't lean toward the target are Paul Macbeth, Drew Gibson and Simon Lizotte. These players are behind their lead leg until well after the disc is ejected. I like your point at 2:40. I added 75-100 feet of distance in my 50s, getting over 500 feet, by adding a push off my back leg. But it comes from the ball of the foot/toes, and it is not a lateral drift, rather it is the turning of the leg to initiate the hip turn. Power comes from the ground up: ankle, knee, hips, shoulders, elbow, wrist, in that order, but the more speed you can generate, the more compressed and stacked the sequence becomes, until it starts to feel synchronized. I like to think of the power flowing through the body to maintain relaxation. That sequence comes from Billy "Landhammer" Lund, here in Tulsa, who I've seen throw over 600 feet on multiple occasions. The push off the back leg is subtle, but important. I like to feel like any effort I am exerting comes as late as possible, through the ejection of the disc. So in that way I strongly agree with you, if you exerted and went for it from the back leg, you would be decelerating at the point you eject the disc. Back leg disc golf is subtle and takes a ton of practice, but it got me to throwing accurate, repeatable 425 foot drives with a slow, relaxed 3 step walk-up. I can throw 500+ feet max power, but I can't place the disc where I want it, so max power is almost never useful for me in a round of disc golf.

[@HyzerBombofJericho]

Another great video! Love your ability to break complex things down into simple concepts!

[@annikataskinen6145]

I could listen to you hours and hours, truly fascinating!

[@dgspindoctor]

Thanks, I appreciate the feedback!

[@emilnilsson7492]

This is honestly life changing for my discgolf game. Thanks sooo much bro!

[@dgspindoctor]

I hope I can help even a few, or just one out there.

[@liveac3694]

This is such an underrated channel. I've been looking for a channel that teaches the basics of good driving technique in a simple way and this seems to be it.

[@dgspindoctor]

Oh I believe it's quite hyped, almost over-hyped dare I say... But thanks!

[@gamerguy765]

I think this is my exact problem. Drives are feeling good but I’m hitting a wall at 330 . Thank you for making these . Feels good to know what I can improve on

[@emilnilsson7492]

Have the exact same problem. This video was honestly fantastic!

[@thallman7147]

Well doctor the advice you gave me on not turning my head during my throw definitely helped my game so next time I’m doing field work I’m going to try this too. 👍 Thank you Sir.

[@beerius2349]

your content is the best out there.

[@SimonTysland]

This video and the bracing video was the biggest leap in improvements for me. I had decent form ish, but I couldn't understand why some shots were more accurate and powerful than others. Turns out my bracing sucks and I tried to rotate by pushing my back leg. Spot on! Tried a throw on the soccer field with my new knowledge, and a simple shot that I thought was gonna go 300ft kept flying and went out of the soccer field! Thanks dude

[@klumze9911]

You have so much great advice. Now if I can get to the field and remember what you say before I start throwing. Being old with a bad memory does not help lol.

[@skrivebom]

Sling shot disc golf / Overthrow / spin & throw /+++ should all see this. Thank you for your channel!

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I’ve seen it. We are in agreement.

[@dgspindoctor]

Josh knows what he's talking about.

[@skrivebom]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf Sorry my bad ;) I have seen some videos in the past, but I guess it is the past.

[@Gerbs964]

@@skrivebom slingshot is far too ignorant to listen to this video, it would destroy everything he teaches.

[@MegaSydman]

I have like many other went down the rabbit hole of trying to understand the BH form and this is the first time it really makes sense. One thing in the whole backleg frontleg "debate" that is quite interesting is that muscles by design are much stronger when breaking. You need a lot of effort trying to jump up one meter in the air. Landning i effortless although you need to build up the same force. I think this translates well into how all good throwers say it should be effortless. Doing it with good timing is still hard for me, but I guess I need more practice and not just watching KZbin videos. 😅 Keep up the good content! 👍

[@charleshatch5619]

Great video, really helped my form and distance! Thanks Spin Doctor!!!

[@defever3]

You are such a great teacher and coach, thank you for the amazing content!! Love your stuff man, please please please keep making more!

[@dgspindoctor]

Thanks! I am trying my best! I have to add, that my channel is not about me. I am not the main character. My journey as a player is done at this point. I don't care about playing or improving as a disc golfer anymore. I peaked 10 years ago, and honestly don't have that mentality to climb up anymore. There are comments saying I'm just an amateur who knows nothing. Well, if 23 years of competitive discgolf, dozens of rounds +1000 rated and countless of hours of actual coaching in person is being an amateur, then I fit the description. I only want my viewers and clients improve their game, and being a better teacher and communicator of knowledge. I will also make mistakes, have made many in the past, and sometimes choose a wrong or misleading wording and also see things that are not there. That is also a part of being a teacher. My success is not depending on the amount of birdies I make, or how my rating improves, or how much distance I gain. My success is depending on how much YOU improve.

[@ryanholmes8781]

I wise instructor once told me to study the plant of javelin throwers. Sure, their speed on the approach is important, but its the plants ability to transfer that energy violently into the mechanism created by the throwers body that makes the magic happen. So many of us are doing a sort of modified strong arm of the disc, attempting to add power with might, while any extra power is not captured by the plant an subsequent transfer, and in most cases the "try to throw hard" approach leads to tension in the transmission of the power and imbalance as well.

[@Dyeball_discs]

By far my favorite instructional channel! Keep it up!

[@dgspindoctor]

Thanks! I sure will

[@yoyoninjaboy6431]

stand roughly shoulder length apart lift your ( for right hand backhand) right foot up so your on your left heel/right toe. Balance here. It should be easy. You'll be mostly on the back heel. Now stick your right arm straight out in front of you keep it there and turn your shoulders as much as you can (can help to think of it as rightr shoulder forward, left shoulder back) The arm will move but don't move the arm. Don't move the feet, don't lean; remain balanced. Now just drop the heel and feel the brace send everything through. =)

[@jimmyblundell7600]

Ohhh what I’d give to be taller and have more room to push forward and downward. Nonetheless this advice is gold. Keep up the good work brother.

[@lutsenfilms9582]

I wish I was a little bit taller….. Lol McBeth seems pretty avg in height

[@ChristopherLoverich]

Emerson Keith and Nikko as well. Height may play a role but plenty of short dudes throw 500. Im pretty sure Paige can hit 500 too.

[@dgspindoctor]

It sure helps to have long arms, but 500 should be attainable for shorter guys, too. Depending of course about all the other factors in the body, but generally speaking.

[@runrunshaw337]

I finally f**king got the feel of bracing in my kitchen watching this video again! I can’t wait to go out and practice! Thank you sir!

[@dtwynn27]

This is the way

[@Trickymuecke]

Love your content and its simplicity. Makes it so easy to apply what you are talking about. Are there any videos on Putting and Approach shots coming our way??

[@dgspindoctor]

Thanks. I am a bit traumatized by putting, since I developed a severe case of the yips more than 10 years ago and feel like I can't say anything about it without being ridiculed and reminded that I busted my career because of it. Approaches, why not.

[@Trickymuecke]

@@dgspindoctor I appreciate your honesty. Our toughest competitor is always ourselves. Looking forward to whatever content you put out there man!

[@jcrow62]

This is so interesting. There is some conflicting information out there with overthrow disc golf very specifically teaching “back leg disc golf”. However, spin and throw, which improved my game immensely, seems to be more front level disc golf like this. I have to admit I can’t figure out this back leg stuff. I do think overthrow is on to something with the coil of the core, but it’s so complicated that most pros don’t describe what their body is actually doing.

[@dgspindoctor]

Overthrow is not back leg at all, we are on the same page with Josh.

[@jcrow62]

@@dgspindoctor Oh sorry Slingshot. Which is "back leg disc golf".

[@dillonwhitten5212]

First off, I love your content! However, for me, I have to actively turn the back leg inwards to fully de-weight after the front foot has collected momentum. I strongly advise against turning it any time before that point though; that sounds like instant knee pain. Maybe other peoples' bodies naturally do this for them, but mine leaves the back leg completely straight like an anchor.

[@dgspindoctor]

If it works, do it.

[@McFuggs123]

There is a pretty popular person on KZbin teaching the back leg push off. Brodie smith even commented on his videos saying he was going to try it. It doesn't make sense to me. This video is very similar to how pro baseball players hit. Great video!

[@dust1771]

"This is the way"

[@Joeaxtell]

Great video as always!!!!

[@torymblue2000]

Having such a hard time here, I may be getting it, but it doesn't feel like it. Hell my back leg wants to pirouette around me . I've felt the full force once and it seemed to shock my entire system, it seems that is what I want to feel, so that it's like a real brace, all forward momentum is forced to stop, sending all that energy up through my throw (again, I've felt that once and no idea how to do it). I'm losing a lot of power somewhere. I can force myself not to Pirouette, but it doesn't seem to change anything. I understand the concept of sliding across the floor and putting your weight on the right foot , I understand trying to push against the wall/fence, but pros have their bodies fairly back and away from that brace (you don't want your body over the brace, that is putting yourself to far forward) and again it seems to me they are feeling what I felt that "one" time, where my body was forced to stop and all that energy travelled up, I need to get that feeling back, or someone needs to tell me that's a bad feeling and you are going to wreck your knee, so stop chasing it :)

[@Mrocax]

Are there more videos coming for this series or was that the last one?

[@dgspindoctor]

I'm trying to find time to make any videos, but I would love to also use the form checks I get to continue this series.

[@scotranney8456]

Thanks for the vid! Every time I watch one of your vids I find something to practice and work on, and my game shows it. Now, do you have any tips on how to turn off my brain while putting? I feel like sometimes I make a "miss" plan instead of a "make" plan...

[@dgspindoctor]

Perfect, thanks! I will have to make a putting video, since THAT is something I have been working on a lot since basically I had to quit competitive playing after not getting rid of the yips over the last 10 years or so. I have some methods that may help others, if not me.

[@TheEddieBoy55]

Any chance you can make a video on how to hyzer flip a disc. I tend to roll my wrist at the end of my hyzer flip shot which causes my shot to come out in a anhyzer at the end of the release.

[@franks6856]

One thing that I'm not grasping is the difference between pushing downward vs pushing off the ground with your front leg. If you push downward into solid ground it's the same as pushing off of it because the force is going to go in the opposite direction.

[@dgspindoctor]

It is a hard concept, for sure! But there is a difference in the feel, when you "push the ground down" or "push the body up". I want to feel heavy and just resist the downward motion instead of jump up and make me lighter.

[@teeeeeeeemu]

Wondering if that is more about individuals mental model. Personally I tend to crouch a little if I try to push my feet to ground and vice versa when I think that Im pushing my self from the ground then my leg and torso are more inline what proper stance for the throw should be like

[@dgspindoctor]

It is a mental model, and more about not rushing with the front leg pushing up too early, maybe?

[@adza2554]

Another great video 👌🏻

[@akselim7403]

5:15 think GG is doing more than ”falling on his front foot”. The front knee clearly extends after contact.

[@dgspindoctor]

Of course, it's so self-evident that didn't think I even had to mention it. I mean, if you don't want to fall on your nose, you have to tense the leg. It's like walking, right? Do you think about extending the knee while walking? Having said that, extending is NOT a forced move but a side-effect of not wanting to fall on your knees.

[@akselim7403]

@@dgspindoctor my problem is actually not extending and I’m trying to fix that. I only fall on the front foot. Having trouble fixing that.

[@dgspindoctor]

It's quite enough to just stop and resist the fall over it, you can't but extend a little.

[@akselim7403]

@@dgspindoctor thanks! Although it seems the longest throwers do extend fully or almost fully after landing their front foot. Seems that’s the very moment they launch the disc

[@dgspindoctor]

@@akselim7403 I try to repeat again: the "extension" is a by product of resisting the fall, tensing the leg. If you only think about extending the knee, you're in for big trouble and pain.

[@Gnildron100]

Love these ASMR videos

[@TAFNAP69]

Thank you!

[@arhshields]

Who else is psyched for the Spin Doctor/Front Leg VS SlingShot Disc/Golf Back Leg grudge match? But seriously, I think it would be great to see a video of you two guys comparing notes and thoughts on theory.

[@dgspindoctor]

It's like arguing with a flat earther. You can't win. I'll pass this one.

[@DavidCornelius]

I don't think they're clashing in methodology, it's more just the video headlines sounding that way. Spin doc addressed a common problem using footage that isn't a reflection of Slingshot's teaching. He also emphasized that weight is initially loaded on the back foot, but your core should be positioned between your feet - same as slingshot. The methods are similar. It's more a question of what clicks with your brain and body the best to get the same result. We can all get along, and having done a couple of form reviews with Slingshot, I assure you he's a great guy with similar ambitions who's easy to chat with.

[@dgspindoctor]

Sorry sir, but we have totally nothing in common with The SSDG. I am totally not advocating the back foot disc golf, which is his invention and against all other methods in all other sports.

[@mattmorgan7768]

Ya’ll don’t see the bigger picture. The teachers, the coaches who are exploring new ways to teach disc golf are important. It isn’t important to argue over which canonical method is the one true way to teach. It only matters to see the coaches follow their exploration of the game. There is no one way and the optimal form is an integration of multiple teachers’ methods. Support those who are exploring and documenting the journey, we need all of them, and each of them has a unique viewpoint and some value to lend. Stop getting excited over holy wars about the academics and just recognize the value of having the teachers be willing to document all this. Don’t be so picky and exclusive. It emits energy like you just want to troll or create fake beef for clicks.

[@wesf6758]

I’m probably being too dense and literal, but how does one push down on the front leg? Trying to understand.

[@dgspindoctor]

The idea is not to jump off of front leg, that is what I mean. Idea is to fall on it, and let the pressure increase.

[@kruksog]

For some reason I was sure you were Finnish. That's not the case, is it 😂? Great instruction. Thank you for it.

[@dgspindoctor]

I sure am. 😀

[@joeydarbyshire2101]

I'm not going to pretend that a lot of people aren't coming to you after listening to alot of what slingshot says. What you say seems to be really contradictory to him. What are your thoughts on slingshots focus on the back leg?

[@dgspindoctor]

Not a fan.

[@ajazsyed3263]

It'd be nice if any pro clinics mention what slingshot mentions about the rear leg. But they don't for good reason. Pro clinics talk about the rear leg similarly to this channel.

[@IceBergTV]

I've been seeing so much back leg driving from slingshot disc golf and I couldnt get it to work. My form looks a lot closer to this

[@ksmith9887]

is this the same for a forehand?

[@dgspindoctor]

I am still figuring this out. But no, it's not exactly the same, because forehand is done on the rear arm and we do need to get the front hip out of the way much earlier.

[@sethamgardner]

Lately I’ve been finding myself slipping on the tee pad, and I’ve noticed a lot of other am’s doing the same thing; could that be a symptom of not getting a solid weight transfer/not pushing down enough?

[@dgspindoctor]

Might be.

[@MaximilianBerkmann]

That means that too much of your weight is forward, if you look at Simon Lizotte and Paul McBeth for example, you see that their weight remains at the centre as they plant until they finished following through (I.e. they rotate in place rather than rotating around their plant foot). Something that might help you is planting a bit farther away or making sure your upper fires off after your planted and had time to shift your weight to your centre. The one-leg drill should also help: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q33QhI2Ve9aaqcU

[@imppen]

I relaxed in my backfoot before weightshifting but i just fell to the ground. What am i doing wrong? Ps. I had much better success pushing with my backfoot like a little bunnyhop for maximum distance. I found that the more I pushed the more power i get, another option is to run really fast like James Conrado. I'm no expert on this but i understand that the more weight you push into your front leg the more power you can get into your shot, as long as you stop on your front foot to deliver the power into the disc in ur hand. I think what Jaani means here is that you shouldn't throw from your backfoot. But you definately need to use it! I think Jaani is strange in that way, sometimes he exaggerates a little. ❤

[@dgspindoctor]

If you checked the video, you would have seen that I say to get on your front leg pushing from the back (how else could you, really?). And once it's done, the pushing has nothing to do anymore. How am I wrong here?

[@imppen]

@@dgspindoctor if that's the case, you're not wrong, i never noticed that! There was so much focus on not pushing from the back foot when in fact the more you push the more power you get as long as you can catch it with the front leg. Did you read my full comment? The first part was mostly a joke 😉

[@jrpierce4823]

Yeah when I tried pushing off the back leg all it does is make me off balance and hyzer my shots

[@discrehab3826]

Good stuff!!

[@warcraftandcoffee2937]

Only problem for me is when I "push down" my front knee locks out and my back leg/toe pivots like you were saying not to do. I must be doing something wrong.

[@warcraftandcoffee2937]

After increasing my window size it seems to have fixed the issue. Thanks again!

[@dgspindoctor]

Hey, please, don't twist my words. I am not saying NOT to pivot the back leg. I am saying not to do it consciously. You have to let things happen the way they should, without forcing anything. The hips will rotate and the back foot will pivot, but only as a byproduct of the pressure shift.

[@warcraftandcoffee2937]

Sorry, I didn’t mean to cause a misunderstanding. I was pointing out the part in the video where you were saying not to lean on the back foot and pivot. Question.. does pushing down cause the hips to pivot? Maybe that’s what I was missing.

[@dgspindoctor]

Yes, pushing down and resisting the downward motion as your arm and shoulders turn. That is making the hips rotate and a lot more powerfull than just rotating them without the pressure shift.

[@warcraftandcoffee2937]

@@dgspindoctor thank you again for the detailed info. When I lean into the wall and push down with my lead foot it pops my hips around super quick into the brace. You have to be the best channel I have found so far with this info.

[@tarkovvoiplord6806]

Do you have a patreon for form reviews? Would love some feedback on my form! Love the video as always, you’re the goat!

[@dgspindoctor]

Naaah, don't have yet. Send me dm in Instagram and I'll give a few pointers

[@tarkovvoiplord6806]

You’re amazing, thank you!

[@terencekeane4411]

I may be way off here but is that a young Drew Gibson sitting in the front of the Dave Feldberg clip?

[@dgspindoctor]

Yes, he's there in the background waiting to tee off.

[@terencekeane4411]

@@dgspindoctor thanks for the confirmation. Great video

[@polecat3067]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/bIiVZnyLq9Fqfbs

[@DiscGolfDemastus]

Slingshot teaches the exact opposite. You can’t rotate if your back leg is in the air. Your back leg is powering the throw. That shift downward he mentions, those pros are not doing. They are spinning, not shifting down and forward. Shifting down and forward will distribute your power into that leg, instead of the throw.

[@dgspindoctor]

Plain wrong. Totally wrong.

[@DiscGolfDemastus]

@@dgspindoctor what you’re demonstrating is not what those pros are doing. It’s easy to see.

[@dgspindoctor]

Okay then. Keep with the Slingshot guy if you feel you're learning. I keep on teaching my way.

[@DiscGolfDemastus]

@@dgspindoctor I want to see you throw far with the technique you’re teaching. I think you owe it to your viewers.

[@dgspindoctor]

How far is far?

[@CraigsCuts]

It’s crazy how you are teaching the exact opposite of “slingshot” disc golf

[@dgspindoctor]

Well, everybody is teaches the opposite to hom, in all throwing or batting or slamming sports. Back leg does almost nothing after the plant hits the ground, and if it does, it's the back hip that does the work. Disc golf backhand is done with the front arm, so the back hip is even more useless.

[@LauriPispa-es2dc]

Mielenkiintoista on se, että Kristian Kuoksa neuvoo videollaan työntämään myös takajalallaan.

[@dgspindoctor]

Mutta missä vaiheessa ja mihin suuntaan? Mä opiskelen ennen kaikkea pallogolfin malleista näitä, ja siellä se on melko yksiselitteinen paineen siirto takaa eteen jo ennen backswingin huippua. Jos takajalalla painaa maahan, paine pysyy takana.

[@LauriPispa-es2dc]

@@dgspindoctor Kyllä monessa muussa lajissa otetaan takajalalta enemmän voimaa kuin etujalalta. En väitä tietäväni onko se paras tapa frisbeegolfissa, koska olen alottanut 6kk sitten, mutta haluaisin tietää miksi olet niin varma asiasta.

[@dgspindoctor]

Koska takajalka on ilmassa melkein 100% siinä vaiheessa, kun yläkroppa alkaa liikkua. Myös Kuoksalla. Voi sitä ilmaa toki potkia ja se saattaa auttaa tasapainossa toki, mutta varsinaisesti voimaa se jalka ei enää tuota. Videollakin sanon, että Feldberg toki työntää varpailla itteään eteenpäin kohti tukijalkaa. Siihen saakka totta kai takajalka työntää kohti tukijalkaa, se on selvä.

[@LauriPispa-es2dc]

@@dgspindoctor Golfiakin pelanneena mielestäni nämä lajit eivät ole kovinkaan lähellä toisiaan heitto-/lyöntitekniikkaa vertailtaessa. Frisbeegolf (erityisesti backhand) on aika kaukana tekniikaltaan muista lajeista. Luulin, että paljon eri urheilua harrastaneena siitä olisi etua, mutta olen huomannut esim. pitkästä pesäpallokokemuksesta olleen vain haittaa (myös siinä takajalalla tehdään enemmän sekä lyönnissä, että heitossa ja etujalka on lötköhkö) backhandin suhteen, toki fore oli helpompi ymmärtää.

[@LauriPispa-es2dc]

Omaksuin itse Kuoksan tekniikan ja otan takajalalta voimaa, mutta takajalka irtoaa maasta käytännössä itsestään ja paino siirtyy kokonaisuudessaan etujalalle.

[@michaelcushman]

American baseball pictures can throw 95 mph on flat ground, from a standstill, no run up. That is 10mph better than the best disc distance thrower, with a run up. Pictures drive off the back leg and brace with the front leg. It takes many years of strength, mobility, and technique training. It isn't wrong, it is just very hard to do well. Page Pierce definitely pushes hard off her back leg, and she has the mobility to keep pushing throughout a long stride, right into her brace. She says engaging her glute of the back leg is key. Again, it is not wrong, just difficult. Most mortals cant do it.

[@dgspindoctor]

If you say so.

[@vennauer]

That's just wrong. First of all, it's *pitcher. Second of all, they're not on flat ground. No pitcher can throw 95MPH off of flat ground. An MLB mound is more than a foot higher than the rest of the infield. Third, a pitching motion of a baseball is SO MUCH different than a backhand throwing motion of a disc. You're completely ignorant about all of this

[@StSgry]

Her balance point is still pretty much in the middle but she does this weird last moment "up pull" while pushing back leg. Not the best technic and also not the most accurate or longest throw there is. If you check Kristin's throwing it's much more balanced, repeatable and accurate. Few reasons why Kristin wins tournaments atm.

[@michaelcushman]

​@@vennauer I wouldn't say a picturer can throw 95 mph on flat ground, unless it is so. There are youtube videos capturing this. Off a mound, pictures can throw over 100mph. The BH isn't as different as you think. Both keep the head and trunk behind the hips until the throw. Both maximize disassociation in the coil, and finish with high disassociation in the opposite direction. Both rely on the front leg to brace and send energy up the kinesthetic chain. Or think of swinging a bat. That looks like a backhand. Yet, the player pushes hard off the back leg and pumps the hip from that leg forward to finish powering the swing. No run up for a batter, yet generates plenty of forward and rotational energy.

[@michaelcushman]

​@@StSgry not many agree with you that Page Pierce has bad form. Most point to here's as exceptional. Page is also 20 to 30lbs lighter than Kristin. This weekend, Page consistently out drove Kristen, and of course Page finished first. I am not in the camp there is only one way. becase there are many forces to blend or choose from. There is linear force, conservation of momentum (whip), rotational, elastic potential (muscle bounce), and using gravity either as in a pogo stick or as a pendulum. Bodies types vary significalntly. Saying using the back leg is wrong is narrow minded, imo.

[@harrisonswanson3256]

I'm sorry but the back leg is the single most important part of powering the shot, I can throw 520ft no wind in a grass field. The back leg kicks and rotates. Rotation being the main focus, but kicking can help you rotate faster. my profile will show me throwing. look at when David Wiggins throws, or Paul McBeth, they absolutely kick off. garret is very good at using just the pure rotation of his back leg.

[@dgspindoctor]

Don't be sorry. Nice that you can throw 520, it's quite okay.

[@MrUnapologetic77]

@Harrison Swanson They (McBeth, Wiggins Jr. or Gurthie) absolutely do not kick off their back leg. Lookup Seabass22 videos "Crush the can." Each of them are in those videos. They settle into their brace and rotate their core. The hips swivel and the back knee drops with the rear leg acting as counterbalance. This is the byproduct of a properly timed weight/pressure shift + core rotation. If you're kicking off or intentionally rotating your hips be careful. That can put undue stress on your SI joint and cause damage.

[@dgspindoctor]

Exactly.

[@harrisonswanson3256]

@@MrUnapologetic77 I do not have any pain ever. I rotate through on the heel of my plant foot to mitigate any extra pressure. Paige Peirce herself talks about pushing off of her back leg, I'm not making stuff up. thanks for your concern though. To be fair I focus a lot more on the rotation of the back leg, more than pushing off. You will not throw the disc far, without using the power from the hips. (aka the back leg)

[@harrisonswanson3256]

@@dgspindoctor Here's the video of paige talking about pushing off her back leg at about 52sec in kzbin.info/www/bejne/aJ3ZiZZ_mLN6ndU

[@JuhaAuvinen]

Esimerkki-videossa isoin ongelma on pönkkä ja sen puute.

[@zackm7632]

I have a hard time taking advice from KZbinrs that aren't pros. I signed up for Paul Ulibarri's disc golf academy. He talks about how all the power comes from the back leg. He says if you throw on your front leg you're using all arm and losing consistency. I think I'll stick with what the pros are teaching.

[@dgspindoctor]

Oh no, how can I ever get over this.

[@zackm7632]

@@dgspindoctor Ya, let's just ignore advice from professionals. AMs are where it's at

[@dgspindoctor]

Just to let you know I throw a lot further than Uli, if that is important...

[@footfaultdiscgolf]

foot fault

[@dgspindoctor]

Was not.

[@footfaultdiscgolf]

@@dgspindoctor had to try

[@Andyofsuh]

Hey Jaani! I used to do the Toe to heel (front leg) but I think the timing of it threw me off and then I wouldn't brace correctly and my knee would hurt. Now I've been planting my foot more flat and overall been getting more success, but do you think it hurts distance not going toe to heel? I do notice some pros seem to plant more flat? Curious on your thoughts thanks !

[@dgspindoctor]

Toe to heel is, I think, just a cue for people who plant foot facing forward. Because that makes it impossible basically. Flat is perfectly fine.

[@Andyofsuh]

@@dgspindoctor thanks doc

[@saulbenitez1765]

This is the way

[@VesaHanhisalo]

This is the way