Another gem!

Ansolutely agree Doc. It's all about the grip!

Just curious, why would you do the key turning only just before the release? Why not just keep that wrist angle throughout the throw?

The grip you used for the Glitch helps me with new dics, been almost doing it before, but every disc is unique, and there might be a perfect driver for YOU reading this, the Ballista is mine so far, it gets nice nose compared to a lot of discs with less speed and same speed with different grips, some days you just forget using all the things like the actual grip you use for a year... the bane of having kids and no time to cement the groundwork fully ;D

I don’t know your name. Lol. I must be blind. I like what you do. Your videos I find helpful. Do you ever do clinics in the states?

I don't know...Drew Gibson doesn't use his pinky at all and he's throwing some grazy distance shots

While I tend to agree, I do have to say that in addition to the straight plane also your grip matters. If someone can't comfortably grab the disc in a way that keeps it flat, helping with the wrist might help. This becomes more prevalent with deeper rimmed discs. That being said, I do think that "turning the key" stiffens up your wrist a bit so it is a compromise.

Couldnt agree more. If your elbow and wrist are not swiveling and follow the disc plane, nose up problems and wobble problems are no more :)

I love DG spin doctor, but I think it’s a mixture of different cues or whatever works for you. Turning the key/pour the coffee combination worked best for me to get the nose down. Once you figure that out, it’s very easy to throw your putters/mids nose up for approach shots for a more fading gliding shot.

I think turn the key is from a steep launch angle and is from players starting with the disc vertical. It is certainly more work and I am not a fan.

I still dont get it 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

I've been messing around with the "turn the key" cue on my tech disc, and it feels like abruptly flipping the disc on release puts a lot of uncomfortable pressure on my fingers. However, one of my friends whose max throws are 4-5mph less than me started SMOKING me on distance with anhyzer flex lines recently. I'm convinced nose angle is the key (well, that plus disc stability on that line). I want to find a natural amount of supination in my swing, which I don't see being painful and which should be especially useful when paired with a high launch angle. Not counting out "turn the key" entirely, yet. Would love to see some tech disc data in this discussion, since I feel like that's the best way to measure nose angle.

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getting fear and loathing-vibes from that drip

The only grip tip for nose angle that has worked for me came from hotbeef dg. Think about pushing the thumb forward on the flight plate, not down, and think of pulling the fingers under the rim back, not up. Feels a fair bit more comfortable.

what are you actually pulling up top, what's the timing?

I think the concept is good for any angle, but not by turning the wrist for the reasons you mentioned. I think any action done by the wrist alone is going to result in inconsistencies and RPM losses per Overthrow’s experiments. However, the concept when performed by the thumb via it pushing down and forward is I think what you want, per discussion with Avery Jenkins. This thumb motion will keep the disc nose down, provided you time it right, which I think is right after the disc weight change (right as soon as the forearm is opening). The movement also adds to the opening of the forearm without using the triceps, which I think is a dangerous muscle group to actively engage in propelling the forearm open. Practicing this more has gotten me to park an over 300 foot uphill hole the other day using a fairway with a fan grip and a slow two step run up. I could definitely still be wrong, but just trying to develop concepts using others’ information who know more than me, and that I think is safe.

fixed my nose angle by putting more pressure on my thumb and pinky in my grip.

Nice! I've found that when I have nose up issues it's usually one of three things (or any combination I guess!); high to low as the disc comes across the body (the Swoop), poor swing path integrity where the hand goes high in relation to hyzer angle during the follow through), or leaning back (towards the back of the teepad). That said, I try to think about where I want my thumb to be in the follow through and let my brain take care of controlling wrist position during the throw.

I have been struggling with nose up. From watching your videos I have come to the conclusion that my issue lies further up the chain of my throw. It’s common knowledge that you dont “release” the disc, it comes out when it wants to. and that arm muscles are “weak” in comparison to the momentum generated by a proper throw. So the idea that you can manually twist your wrist while throwing doesn’t make sense to me

I'm someone that has a lot of trouble comfortably following through on my extreme anhyzer shots, such as backhand rollers. IDK if "turn the key" is right for me in that instance either, but I would be very interested in BH roller / anhyzer videos you got coming out. Checking out the back catalogue now

Turn the key is littersly only way i ever get nose down results with the tech disc. Otherwise im always 5 plus nose up

I never took this cue to mean do it in a jerking movement at the end, rather I think about it as keeping my wrist supinated, palm up starting at my reach back, through the pocket and the hit.

Explains why my sky annies went to pot here in the last year. Arm posture and alignment are so critical

This is great.

Releasing too early also is an issue. If you arm is not at or near full extension with a solid follow through - it will come out nose up as well. (my issue)

They gon rip you for this one chief 😂

I just found your page and content and I love it. I found it from Discsmd's page & videos. I have a question regarding to learn this. Would you think it would be best to do it with run up, of course slow at fast but still with a run up or do you think it is better to learn with standstill? I tried with standstill and it felt quite akward, but that can be just me since I am not the most flexible 🤣 anyway I really want to thank you for making this video! Thanks a ton! 😊

i came for the wacky thumbnail

So i dont even have to worry about rotating my shoulders as long as i reach back with my arm?

AMEN TO POINT #3!! Guilty as charged!!

I JUST figured this out! I swear you and Stokely are the only ones that have explained this in a way that makes perfect sense. You don’t “pull through” to the power pocket, you “pull to” the pocket. Brace hard, then pull the disc straight to your right peck, your body will have no choice but to follow. As soon as I figured this out it sounds like I’m cracking a whip when the disc rips out of my hand.

the only meaningful hard rule ive found so far is to plant the front foot at least 90 degrees

This has been holding me back in distance. going to be working specifically on this over the next month or so. Thanks for all the great content, it helps a lot!

I am an adult playing with my body - yes :D

On #4, I agree. I get sucked into the next coaching videos and think "oh ya, that might just fix my form and improve my distance", but only a few things have. Many have just made me worse and discouraged me. I keep trying to do too many changes at once as well which exacerbates the problem. If I just try to remember to just throw the way I do, I play way better and have more fun. The only problem is I don't know if I'm gaining any distance just playing my usual way, but I need to remember I can always improve one thing at a time in the future. As others have said, work on accuracy, distance will come later.

If I tried that I would have been there all day. I did enjoy watching though as it put a smile on my face.

I felt this. I’ve created my own worst enemy. I almost refuse to post my form online because it doesn’t measure up to my own expectations of *looking* “pro”. It’s a trap.

Nice.

I'm desperate to get my inactive hips working and nothing has worked because the youtube explanations don't explain the origin of the mechanics. This looks different, yet simple. Time to try this in the living room then some field work as soon as the rain stops.

There a lot of disc throwing videos that don’t make sense. This one was the clearest one I’ve seen so far. Thx!

Kinda like fixing a car 1 part at a time

The hip engagement comes automatically once your weight transfers onto the front leg, while your hips and upper body are "coiled". It's a subconscious action, just like the initial rotation. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Idk what it is with Trick Shot videos. I made one and barely got views. I mean like only 10% of my usual.

I didn’t see one pet in this whole video 🥏😂Keep the meds coming doc, I’ll be waiting on my next fix 🤗

Do Samuel stenman form check!!!

This might be the best advice out there! I never practiced golf and played for years. Then I tore my knee and completely lost faith in my throw. Started a form rebuild to protect my knee and it led to the most frustration bc while my knee feels safer, I got way worse. Got too focused on trying new form tips that never fully resonate, and lost my love. I was grinding so much and was so discouraged that it wasn't clicking still. Now I'm still practicing but always trying to have fun while doing so, and learning to let go of the outcome of a shot. Playing my best golf so far this year and it's great having fun again

Happy to hear other disc golf content creators name drop DG Spin Dr and say he is one of the best out there You take the abstract theoretical form tips and somehow translate it all into a way that clicks

This is how trickshot stuff goes.