Diablo 2 1.09 Review! - OLD PATCHES WERE WILD

[@Pharisaeus]

The fact that you had to "save" your skill points was rough, especially in single player. For some characters this literally meant you were running with no skills / 1p for most of normal, until you reached the "endgame" skills you wanted to pump. But the lack of overpowered runewords was actually a good thing - many rares, uniques and sets actually were useful and valuable.

[@Ubeogesh]

You didn't really have to save skill points. You did only for min-maxing your char, but you totally could beat the game with all classes by spending some skill points on early game skills

[@jimstone8842]

What builds required you to save points? There were no synergies so you had points to spare for lower level skills for most builds.

[@Pharmacopium]

I kinda loved rerolling back then and power leveling in cows with my buds. So I’d start off with an unoptimized character and then in mid 80’s re level the character in twink gear to avoid wasted stats and skill points. I definitely have rose tinted glasses looking back at it, and I would NOT tolerate that system in a new ARPG, but character permanence was immersive back then and I remember valuing it.

[@ApathyBM]

Yeah even this character he was speccing low-med points into usable stuff like fire wall and nova until he unlocked orb. And passive. It just slows the early game and you can still blow through normal mode in a couple hours

[@AG-ld6rv]

It's interesting how the same thing can be good to one and bad to another. Let me tell you a small story about D4. Every 15 minutes, I had to study the affixes of 25 items closely. It was just too much for me. It felt like work rather than fun. The current version of D2 doesn't have that problem. More or less, it boils down to, in D2, you only have to pick up 1 or 2 items every 5+ minutes. They struck a great balance. Uniques and runewords actually caused that, which is phenomenal. Basically, they allow a D2 player to glance scan the dozens of dropped items and eliminate all of them right away. It is THE cause for why we don't have to analyze the specifics of many items. I can handle picking up the rare boots I see every 15 minutes. I can handle picking up 5 different bases for runes. And I can handle picking up good uniques and set items that I already know are good. I DO NOT want to pick up every single rare in the game, which would be the case if OP runewords, uniques, and sets were not part of the game.

[@DeekerJones]

1.09 Was where I spent most of my D2 time. What a trip to see it again.

[@Dopamine_Drop]

Same! Its probabaly a reminder of why I spent alot of my time running cows.

[@GreatVomitto]

@@Dopamine_Drop Only thing I don't miss. I remember standing next to portal and getting massive amounts of xp doing nothing.

[@mikurusagawa6897]

1.09 was a patch that I played way too much, because I didn't have internet back in the day so I didn't even know newer versions existed. Also I was pretty young so I probably didn't even comprehend a concept of a patch xD

[@juanbaclavab]

you probably played the original disk version 1.07 just like me; the patches 1.08 and 1.09 that were released shorty after were only found on the Internet for download

[@JgHaverty]

Woah! The longest running patch is where you spent most of your time? Incredible! Tell us more!

[@Sleekxify]

Can't remember the patch, but I remember being stuck in act 3 normal at level 33 with a paladin. I didn't understand English and was like 10 years old 😆

[@Xtimus]

1.09 was always lit and has a special place in my heart 😭

[@heyitspanos8004]

wish i experienced it as a 1.13d pleb :(

[@mikemustang5488]

1.09 was great. I stopped playing shortly after 1.10 came out. I loved running Meph with my barb and that character just got ruined. I still don't love rune words. I think uniques should be the best items in the game. To me uniques and sets are much more fun than rune words.

[@NonnyStrikes]

That's why opnions exist.

[@donaldmack2307]

What do onions have to do with this?

[@tomwalker8944]

Yeah I skipped 1.10 entirely. Felt awful and very un-d2.

[@Roge9]

rares should always have the potential to surprass runewords/uniques imo. Otherwise they're pointless.

[@tomwalker8944]

@@Roge9 Umm I don't think they should always have the potential to "surpass" BUT I do they they should always have the ability to rival Runewords. The problem with rares in D2... is the best way to get them isn't that exciting really. Gold Finding Trav for days on end to gamble ain't the most fun thing in the world. Even just gambling for a good +2 20/20 circlet, and doing amulet crafts alone was a HUGE time investment for a build. Like I spent more time rolling my NL SSF paladin circlet and doing amulet crafts than I did grinding him 99 by a factor of like 8 times. I was at like 80 HR's by the time I got those done. To be fair I wasn't running a fully optimal GF build, because it was SSF, but it was up there due to sheer clear speed that pally brings compared to a HORK. Was doing 600+ runs a day for months.

[@Fender178]

Yeah D2 1.09 was indeed wild. I remember playing D2 a lot on Bnet back then and I had a pretty good Bowazon with the Buriza crossbow and it was a guided arrow zon and man that build wrecked stuff.

[@LimitBreakr424]

Using a Buriza in d3 rn to capture/chase nostalgia of 22sh years ago

[@umoramayori]

1.09 guided arrow was the bees knees

[@medivh1272]

So good for old school PVP

[@Svartsomkato]

shaft, buriza, gaze was so cheap and so good in PVP!

[@fbritorufino]

YES

[@astarothhvbdteam6729]

I am so oldschool I remember Lord De Seis dropping potions of my belt

[@Stratocaster42]

Thief! Didn't he yoink items too?

[@S1nwar]

i remember perfect emeralds doing only 60 dmg instead of 100

[@davidjanssen178]

I remember dying to Iron Maiden on a fully decked out ww barb

[@maskwaGaming]

​@@davidjanssen178 i am traumatized... I still double check for iron maiden when there is a curse on me in chaos sanctuary.

[@GreatVomitto]

@@maskwaGaming I recently beat D2 resurrected and was surprised there is no Iron Maiden in Chaos Sanctuary. When did they remove it?

[@LetsPlayBojangles]

I remember playing whatever the release version was and being able to buy poison potions from akara. That was wild.

[@TheGreatGario]

patch 1.09 was the last patch before synergies were introduced they scaled monster health *significantly* so that you had to incorporate synergies somehow into your strategy, so builds weren't nearly as wildly variable following 1.10+ as there were in 1.09. i remember my meteor/charged bolt sorc *tearing* through the game right before 1.10 dropped, then when 1.10 dropped it made the class absolute trash damage didn't change but the monster scaling was so insane it made many builds unviable

[@obake6290]

I don't see it in the patch notes, but I distinctly remember them adding immunities to every single enemy (1 on nightmare, 2 on hell) in 1.10 as well. So not only does your damage not keep pace with the scaling anymore, you also just outright can't damage 1/4-1/2 the enemies you come across. It was horrible. And the one tool that could have helped was nerfed to the ground as well. I forget the name of it, but the lightning spell that did % damage. Sorc was absolutely gutted in that patch. Edit: Man, hearing MrLlama here talking about how PHYSICAL damage was bad after 1.10... I guess nothing was good. Cuz I sure as heck don't agree with this "casters just blew everything up" idea.

[@Daniel-lw1po]

i think a large part of the nostalgia is how many people where online during 1.08 and 1.09 everyone at school played there was so many open games and trading and dueling online and when u first played it in its social peak so to say, even tho d2r has many improvements, itll never have that size of player base again simply because its age. Keep in mind WOW wasnt around yet to compete with so for a lof people this was WOW till it came out and took over everything.

[@medivh1272]

100%

[@akse]

Definately the golden era is because of how many played it online. Also 1.09 lasted for years without any major updates? I jumped from 1.09 to WoW and then only came back to D2 after 1.10 release to see how it was again with the updates.. I was disappointed since many of my old great characters didn't work at all anymore.

[@tomwalker8944]

Nah it's still plays better than modern D2. I mean you can still play it and directly compare.

[@tomwalker8944]

@xeno4842 1.09 also say on my pc for the rest of that decade.

[@MasterHaynes86]

1.08 was an era that required team play, IMO. The annoyances were offset by numbers and community. The era also required bugged items for any efficiency. I think the team play, engaged chat, and bugged items made the patches of that era special.

[@rodolfokennis7793]

Patch 1.09 was the wildest patch with all the bnet hacks , “ITH” items , occy rings , bugged valors , bugged tals armors , and the duels were just insane , those ww vs ww barbs were never ending since you could leech off of duels 😂😂

[@Daniel-lw1po]

remember hex runes and white rings?

[@nikkof5384]

@@Daniel-lw1poI miss white rings

[@AnhNguyen-hn9vj]

ya. i duel alot with ww barb too. didn't play other classes much. those leeching ww barb is just insane. lol

[@JgHaverty]

ith blades lol

[@Fabander]

About the physical characters: not only the damage had struggles, but they don't have lots of AoE, and also "can miss" because of the Attack Rating

[@jprec5174]

Welp players have said base weapon damage needs to be increased for years now and blizzard did nothing but nerf 2h weapons.

[@tomwalker8944]

@@jprec5174 Modern D2 melee comes down to "can you use grief well?"

[@jprec5174]

@@tomwalker8944 i mean yes and no. Death is better in most cases now besides on the barbarian and smiters.

[@tomwalker8944]

@@jprec5174 Did they change something again? I quit in like 2.5

[@jprec5174]

@@tomwalker8944 just the general attack speed changes, introduction of metamorph makes hitting the highest attack speed break point on death possible for most builds with slower weps. It sounds excessive but on any melee class you can swap to a beast with metamorph, warp into a bear and get a massive ias boost similar to a faith bow and crazy DR on your helmet slot. In the case of throw barbs. It allows them to easily reach high breakpoints with slow ghost glaives and run a beast death frenzy swap for bosses after u proc amp with lacerator. This is actually the best barb build in the game now. Runs p8 well.

[@w3ro187]

I loved 1.09 good old times. The BattleNet Lobby

[@elrufi]

I was just a kid back then, I only watched my brother play D2. Whenever my brother was fighting Diablo in Act IV, he always play the song My Hero by Foo Fighters with the speakers in max volume. It was a cool memory

[@brandonkellner2920]

1.09D will always be real Diablo II to me

[@codymyers3320]

I wish they would bring the old items back but keep the new ones too. Like a 1 in 50 drops to get the old shako.

[@GrantPearson]

I'd come out of D2 retirement if they fixed some of the runewords that mess up the game. Grief should either be a much bigger gamble...maybe 250-400 dmg...or change the runes to VexOhmLoSurBer. Spirit shield is OP and should have a bigger fcr range...maybe 20-35%? 40-55% fhr? 1-2 all skills? Or just change the runes to make it a lot tougher to get.

[@4acrehome168]

I get the argument. But I just don’t use renewers when I play. I just sell them when I find them. Idk. Feels better to me

[@highwayblowout]

1.09 is the GOATED patch, im ready to fight anyone who says otherwise

[@tombiby5892]

I’m ready to fight you about “GOATED”. What does that stand for?

[@randalthor2859]

​@@tombiby5892Greatest of all time erectile dys.. lmao jk

[@samuelsmith9582]

​@tombiby5892 GOAT is an initialism for greatest of all time and it has been turned into common vernacular.

[@akse]

I just love the old ways of pre-expansion. 1. Experience is akward in sinlge player or even terrible. I never made it past 70 in Single before I started playing in battlenet where I very soon got to somewhere at 78. It was very fast to make a lot of 70+ characters when you got some start gear. Also the monsters have very low HP in Single Player compared to character damage.. only at 4+ players it starts to match kinda and is more fun to play. - So in the beginning of my online game I journey I did many many characters but none of them got higher than 83 or something. I played first in softcore and later in Hardcore. - You couldn't effectively leech or boost people. The XP system was better in that way. Also increasing party size reduced XP gain.. because things die easier in bigger party right? 2. Loot drops and potions drops are also really bad in pre-expansion if you play single player even sometimes when in multiplay. Basically you really need to invest into energy and items with % mana and manaregen and mana per kill. It's a really different dynamic. It also goes for 1.09 in some ways but in LoD you get mana charms etc. that helps. Also the potion drops are increased. Anyways.. on my channel I play 1.06 in 5 player games with all classes in Hell now and there you can see the difference that multiplayer brings to the game. I truly think that the gear balance between Runes, Rares, Magi items and Uniques was better in 1.09. yes some more higher Runewords could have been nice but have to remember that rune drop rates were pretty low on that patch for higher runes and you could not combine them to higher. XP gain before 1.10 was better. After 1.10 they boosted XP especially from elites and minions. Before 1.10 only elites gave any additional XP and I think only they had +3 mlvl. After the change where they also increased the number of elites around every area it made not much sense to kill a lot of normal monsters if you could just hop from elite to another and get huge XP. Also maybe in 1.09 just like in pre-expansion (1.00 and 1.06) you have high XP penalty if you kill monster that is higher than 10 levels of your level. Same goes to lower than 10 levels. Which makes sense. Then you cannot skip too fast forward or you don't gain any XP. In multiplay it was especially good for pre-lod especially since it would divide the playerbase from Act1- Act4.. so basically you didn't want to progress to Act4 CS runs too fast since it didn't make much sense XP wise. There was easier locations to play at other Acts which were less crowded and gave you more XP until you leveled up closer to the monster levels in higher Acts. The penalty starts from +-5 levels. Also there was a penalty for party if your party mate was +-5 levels of you he would gain less and less XP compared to you.. basically making leeching ineffective. Though in LoD they gave us party XP bonus that would overlap the penalty in some cases making it possible to leech XP. Remember the monster levels in Act5 Hell are 90 pretty much everywhere? Might be even already from Act4.. Also very high in Act3. So your level difference is pretty high all the way through Hell. I remember most people leveled to 70 in Nightmare.. mostly doing Baal runs from 65-70. Then moving to Hell where it was ok to gain like 5 levels during questing and then you could gain some pretty good XP in Bloody foothills etc. Basically the way I remember and experience also on my channel is: Act1 1->16 (16 is a stretch but 14 is ok) Act2 13->24 (Canyon and Tombs was ok 22+) Act3 22->26 Act4 24->32 Act5 25->40 Nightmare Act1 28->34 Act2 32->38 Act3 36->45 Act4 45->60 Act5 45->70 But I guess the idea was to prevent rushing forward too fast which was nice. I hated all the changes to XP and rushing that happened after LoD.. no one wanted to play the game they just wanted to someone to carry them to hell cows for bloody foothills to leech XP. When I played Classic in 1.09 I kept all my characters as Duke/Duchess or Lord/Lady which meant I could never have accessed hell Cow level. I kept joining cow games to solo clear hell CS and kill Diablo for their fun (killing Diablo in Classic ends the game or at least kicks everyone out). Of course it took a while to solo it so the 7 players could almost fully clear the cow level generally. The issue with mana potions is mostly issue with build. As a Sorc you should put like 150 Vita and 250-300 Energy + get +mana , % mana gear and mana regen (I think a lot of people had points in Warmth). Then get some points into Energy shield that will work as your HP ( you don't need telekinesis and it works after resists).¨ Instead of adding manapotions they could have just boosted mana per kill. Just make it like +10 or something on some items.. So if you get those items maybe overall you can get +20-30 which is already almost 1 Frozen orb.. combined with mana regen it could sustain you for a long time before needing to drink a potion. My 2cents I guess :)

[@tobettermorrow8718]

You should do some commentated/edited videos, sounds like you got some cool stories to share. :)

[@KingJerbear]

I'll never forget my Frozen Orb/Thunder Storm sorc wearing an Arkaine's Valor and Shako with occy rings. Such a fun time

[@yGKeKe]

So, your fun time with Diablo 2...was cheating. That's pretty sad, tbh.

[@chrisemond7172]

@@yGKeKe L take. big fat L

[@tomwalker8944]

1.09 was the best patch for d2 hands down. I remember after 1.10 came out just quitting online play entirely and sitting on 1.09 for ages. Wasn't until like 1.13 that I finally played online again. 1.09 also gave you a reason to make more than one of the same class. After respecs why bother?

[@fbritorufino]

Guided arrow piercing more than once was absolutely amazing in those days

[@MikeFish316]

diablo to me will always be V1.09 diablo

[@shdwza]

This

[@jimstone8842]

Classic 1.06b was a great patch. A ww barbarian being able to clear hell with a lance imbued at charsi at lvl 45 was a beautiful thing.

[@bradysimpson]

Blood runs!! My favorite leveling technique ever on D2

[@shdwza]

Cow runs ;)

[@obake6290]

Ahhh D2 1.09, the memories. The last good patch before 1.10 ruined the game.

[@sixmillionaccountssilenced6721]

TLDR classic - casters were somehow balanced (no pots, low pot drops, need for mana leech/per kill), WW was great LoD & D2R - no point in playing non-casters, one shotting the entire screen since Normal Act 2 hahaha

[@super-duper]

Which version was the best? I remember i loved 1.05 before Synergies and Immunes … i will start a classic run after the coming pd2 season. Need to think about which patch I should go for.

[@shawnm8050]

Back in 1.09 I had a fury balrog blade on my barb… that thing was awesome (in comparison to what was available then…. Like a CCBQ). Good memories but I agree, a lot of improvements since then.

[@ajtos220]

Nice video. One clarification for XP in 1.09: minions in Unique/Superunique packs don't get XP bonus and higher level bonus. This is why for example, farming Eldritch for XP feels horrible in 1.09. You are fighting his minions that have higher HP, but give same XP as white monster (only Eldritch himself gives better XP). In 1.09, it is numbers over quality, when it comes to gaining XP. I agree that 1.09 if very rough, when it comes to single player. On Bnet, folks just rushed level 1 characters due to portals not being quest locked (spare for cow level). Then they joined Hell Cow game standing in corner and waiting for high level Javazon to clear the level. It worked, since party XP sharing wasn't limited to 2 screen radius, it was area wide in 1.09.

[@MrLlamaSC]

Yeah I remember area wide exp was crazy. Standing in the corner leveling up while a zon mowed down cows. Playing solo it just felt really weird trying to level. It didn't really make sense when and why I should go farm different areas.

[@ajtos220]

@@MrLlamaSC Totally agree about solo aspect. Doesn't help that in 1.09 area level doesn't exist (it only affects "poppables"). In same area different monsters can have different level and provide vastly different XP (Normal difficulty in later patches is a leftover from that system).

[@akse]

@@MrLlamaSC Yeah.. Also there was the XP penalty when fighting monsters +- 5-10 levels of clvl. So at +-5 you get the penalty and it grows when going to 10. Add that to the fact that minions etc. don't give any extra XP it starts to feel bad. Not sure if that system exists anymore in 1.10+ but I believe the extra XP from minons and bosses overcome it if it does.

[@akse]

@@ajtos220 Yes I can almost remember all the monsters and their levels in Act4 since playing in Classic thats your final place and after level 80-83 you really need to think about what monster is worth to kill when the XP penalties kick in.

[@UnreliableUsername]

I still remember reading the v1.10 patch notes in my Dads house and when I saw enigma I was like... this is a different game now

[@AnEyeRacky]

Some of my fondest memories of the game on this patch

[@siegessaule]

This is the only patched I played back in the day when I was 13, I stopped playing shortly before 1.10. The runewords were awful and it was all about running for uniques. Best thing I ever found was a kuko in a casket in A1 cathedral. I miss doing bloody runs the most, and getting crazy xp from ancients.

[@DK.dk11]

I remember getting like 5 levels from the Ancients ha.

[@TheMrsundae]

I remember it was most efficient to do hell ancients at 98

[@dma2811]

This is imho the best patch and the most fun I had with D2 ever. Occu Soj, Ith items and WF/GF were top notch items. Nova sorc with thunder, multi shot WF/java titan ama clearing cows super fast. Also the game had a lot of active players. I miss those days. Also bvb dueals were fun.

[@TheDgmccool]

Hey, did you know walking NPCs in Act 2 walk around the player? Just asking.

[@sleeper1855]

Balancing casters vs fighters has been a constant struggle for RPG design since original d&d in 1974.

[@TheK3vin]

Really enjoyed this video, its impressive how creative you can still be making videos for one game all this time.

[@werkdabox]

whens your d2r coming out party?

[@jayjones9424]

Where do u suggestion to farm for first week or two of starting a holy grail? And which build

[@Colendro]

If Tyrael is levitating, the shaking Worldstone room should not affect him :D

[@lov3masterns]

I played 1.09 and 1.07 for years, almost until D2R came out... And yeah, it's definitely a completely different experience that what we now have. However I'm kinda shocked MrLlama didn't do the famous pots exploit, than was a major thing in those patches especially because of the mana problems. It wasn't as harsh or hardcore as duping (or duping gold in D1 for example) but it was very well known and used -- for the people who don't remember/know it was about filling your belt with pots by selling them to vendors... This was the easiest way to have your belt full of, for example, big rejuvs. For this to work you would need at least 2 pots and at least 3 layers belt (12 slots or better) then put 1 pot into bottom slot and sell the 2nd pot. It could have been done with 2 layer belts (8 slots) as well but in that case you would need at least 3 of the same pot. Then simply hold and right click buy. It would fill your column with the same pots and it would cost normally as you were to buy them individually. If you filled your bottom row with let's say full rejuvs and then sold another full rejuv and shift right click it, you would have the entire belt full of full rejuvs. This works for any pot (health, mana, stamina, rejuvs, etc.). This was drastically changing the inconvenience we had back then and it was fine IMHO (not a big deal). But ye, IIRC in 1.09 they introduced the exp rebalance significantly lowering needed exp for low-mid levels and then increasing difficulty of the path to 99. But ye, anyway, many builds were not even possible or at least non viable back in those days... I still remember playing with the cold Druid, ahhhh that was experience and a half! 😅 GG for the video nevertheless!

[@oneup3576]

there was a version where the number of potions from the shop is limited, and there was no "repair all" button so you need to click repair item individually

[@benwooding1311]

I feel like a future D2R patch should increase the price of mana pots and substantially increase weapon damage

[@simbelanger1]

Sadly I don't think there are any devs left working on D2R but yeah increasing weapon damage would be great!

[@thewhitedwarf3846]

no mana potions at vendors made d2 way more interesting. also fixes teleport for pvp

[@coltranenaima6869]

1.09 IS diablo 2 for me. 1.10 ruined the game in many ways for me (rune words being mega OP, mob health being insane, pvp, uniques), I still enjoy it but 1.09 was the superior patch for D2.

[@xSiC84]

I have only ever played non expansion outside of last 2 ladders. Patch 1.09 is and will always be my favorite patch of the game.

[@CaptaenRon]

I think you should have played a physical class for this revisit.

[@maanjiimanidoo6721]

i don't remember what patch it was but im gonna assume it was the one they introduced synergies, but i can remember my brother playing a necro and using Marrowwalk Boots and put no points into Bone Prison he would still get synergies as though he spent 33 points into Bone Prison. Seeing the crazy af damage he was doing was hilarious.

[@Valdore1000]

I can see you updated your hair to 1.09 patch too, back in the days of that patch, the hair like this was popular. Vintage!

[@ehhyo76]

I still remember my dual fury WW barb. Great times.

[@LiTLflor]

Too poor for the double ITH Colossus blades, white rings, gloves, boots and 40x vita hex charms?

[@LVHAXOR316]

My favorite patch is 1.06b its the oldest Pre patch with all the old rare affixes and uniques have no level requirement and had all the current bug fixes for that time bassicly 1.0 with fixes wish they had a version of this for online battle net to play

[@akse]

Same for me too, I really like how simplified the game is in that version and the rare affixes are just amazing. If you are interested to see some gameplay in this version check out from my channel. I play all classes from Normal -> Hell (though only Necro has videos from Normal)

[@kerubian89]

1.09 and 1.10 are patches I most played. Loved those times

[@BusyBanana721]

You should do 1.07! It's the version right off of the LOD CD and it's very strange and difficult.

[@randomgeneratedname]

distinctly remember loading into duriels chamber for a minute and hearing the sounds of him slaughtering my character. then the game loaded and i was dead

[@tomwalker8944]

The merc eating bugs are why I always patched to 1.09 and stopped lol. Otherwise Act 4 was a trap.

[@KK-hl3qj]

No respec and no synergies worked as intended, as part of aprg game; low lvl skills were usefull for norm nm then after some farming next char with farmed gear and some power lvling was based on better and stronger skills and etc., then they ruined all fun freedom build in 1.10 :[ I still miss no lvl req for uniques from first patches, it woukd work well as early game replacement for op RWs for new chars. Dumbest thing they did was big nerf for rare afixes in LoD patch or early later iirc, this and synergies killed Classic mode for me ;(

[@Jchmcom]

I was in high school during 1.09 and would sell items I MF'ed to friends at school. Helped pay for my first car. I used to go into duel games with people using Ith weapons and bugged items with my Burrito Cannon, Cleglaw's Gloves, and 40 100 poison damage small charms to farm gold from their inventories.

[@heavymetal06]

I remember getting all blues from baal. Then while I raged my friend started hell mode and the first chest he opened dropped me a unique lol

[@Francois424]

Is this patch or before that is my favorite? I don't remember. If it's the one I remember : - The itemization was perfect, a good yellow really made your build back then. - Also better odds for gambling (yeah some ppl abused, but the normies like me could get a Goldwrap, War Travelers and vidala's fetlock for a nice early MF build. - The no Mana potion made Warmth an important skill and not a stupid skill (unless going inferno build nowadays). Also no Insight Merc/Items... I had maxxed warmth in my sorc build back then, lots of point freed when that was changed. I remember having a Cho-ko-nu with like 5-6(?) P.Skulls in there, and a helm with Pskulls too. You had to sacrifice for Mana back then 🙂 Tho that might have been the last patch before LoD... which I think it was.... not sure anymore... I think the fun things where still in. Most fun I've ever had. Tho the runeword gameplay that came after is pretty good too and I like all the synergies with skills.

[@thomasdaniels6247]

I really wish we had some .08 gear back . My offer still stands Llama.... I'll fork over a few hundred dollars to you if you get them to put .08 gear back in the game (a small chance to drop ) I want a .08 valk and shaco so bad

[@GrantPearson]

I want the .08 valor.

[@thomasdaniels6247]

@@GrantPearson id love a .08 valor

[@jprec5174]

Llama has no blizzard pull anymore since he disowned diablo 4.

[@snowballeffect7812]

I do miss having literally 99 skeletons running around (and despawning for no reason), even if they were completely useless lol. This way 1.08 or something, though

[@viTaDBaD]

Yeah... I'm a pretty casual D2R dude and I keep thinking how rune words "ruined" a bit of the game... Its crazy remembering a lot of these changes.

[@mctx9371]

You are saying experience was hard, but when 1.09 was out the norm was as follows. Rush character through hell (u dont need to be 20,40,60 to do the Ancients) then open a cow level in hell, open portal in some clear corner and leave the character there(there was no 'far away penalties') and you level until u equip your stuff in couple of hours. Golden! 😂

[@MrLlamaSC]

Haha yes I remember that but unfortunately playing by myself that doesn't work :( It was a wild time though lol

[@akse]

I hated that since leveling felt easy enough already after LoD came around.

[@mctx9371]

@@MrLlamaSC Wdym? Never heard of d2loader? I remember when I was playing on my city D2 server, opening 8 diablo windows and doing Baal runs all night by myself. Tele with sorc, get all my chars in the throne, Bo with the barb and slay them with javazon. Who said you can't have fun alone 😂😂 P.S. Ofc window mode for speed ahaha

[@HTRism]

is there a website or text file that describes every single change in D2 since debut until latest d2r? like items in and out, buffed, nerfed, runes, mechanics etc?

[@medivh1272]

I’ve been looking for something similar.

[@HTRism]

@@medivh1272 maybe @mrllammasc could help. And maybe do an in depth video about it.

[@Ziris1]

Find the patch notes, I remember finding it in the game files

[@romanguichandut2974]

1.09 rushes to hell cow level and you went from lv 1 to 60ish in a single game.

[@zXSleeZy]

Cows were the way to lvl back in 09 it was realy quick.

[@sheepwshotguns42]

this is when i first started playing the game. oh man the nostalgia. i forgot about all these quality of life detriments hahaha

[@breadingshower1596]

Doesn't 1.09 have the Venom bug, where you can oneshot hell diablo if you have enought time to wait?

[@v2occy809]

Omg, WHITE RUNES! I knew I wasnt going crazy and remembering wrong.

[@21stcenturyrambo16]

Itd be nice to see vids on the original 1.0 patches of base d2 and d2lod

[@rossmcgarry7651]

the ole nova orb sorc build lol

[@andriybasyuk5674]

Run suggestion - Jewels only run. All possible slots that can have sockets, have to be a be a socketed item with 2+ sockets. Only be socketed with jewels. No runewords, no gems. Should be fun on melee classes. 😊😊

[@tomastesar5569]

Is it possible for you to describe how to get this version and play it?

[@Erhogz]

I found that at low geared walktrough(ie just a run through hell with selfound) is easier and much more smooth going with FO+Meteor than FO+Nova. meteor even at 20 skill+mastery doing decent damage and much easier to aim at crowds than firewall and it's safier than doing close-range nova casting.

[@Legilimensable]

Not being able to respec is wild as I look back. “Oops wrong stats or wasted skills for early game? Your endgame build is hosed.”

[@medivh1272]

You pretty much had to start over with a new char if you messed up accidentally allocating points.

[@siegessaule]

@@Legilimensable You had to be careful but 1.09 was much more forgiving.

[@yGKeKe]

What's wild about it is it that if you wanted an "End game" build you had to have someone carry you there because you can't spend points in a way that is conducive to playing through the game normally if you want an "end-game" build.

[@medivh1272]

@@yGKeKe back in the day, it was also much easier to rush or “grush” someone. I think now the game forces ppl to collect all pieces for act 3, to do ancients, etc

[@Diopside.]

I remember Uber Tristram XP :) we did even services, we played like champs back then.

[@akse]

Well didn't Uber Tristram only come around after 1.10? People leeched in Cow level mostly or Bloody Foothills.

[@Diopside.]

@@akse Yeah smth like that ^^, then next patch immediately killed this method, required Necromancer and Hammerdin to run this service.

[@fedaijin]

I am playing now D2 classic smiter on hardcore (trying to replicate your playthrough) no runewords, no mercs. Socketed items seemed pretty useless considering that you can only put gems in it, so I am happy that they utilized socketed items to create runewords, though I think they went too far with some of them. :) Anyway pretty brutal so far. Cheers!

[@AntelopeSaiga]

How are you guys installing D2SE after D2R? It seems it needs 1.07 installed first but I'm not sure how to do this now :(

[@dutchman8758]

iNDi stuidios grail tracker is worth a look, hes made a built in addon for the game

[@spyder2238]

Nothing will ever replace 1.09

[@Dannyb201]

I played with ITH sword Colossus, 4 os Arkaine Valor and +2 all skills dual leech rings on bnet 1.09 😆 The "bugged" items they were everywhere

[@rruhland]

I played SO MUCH 1.09. I miss my old Nova sorc back in the day, so much fun mowing down cows.

[@russelldonais6886]

what version of 1.09 did you play? 1.10 did not kill LOD but it did kill Classic.

[@Eblan85]

I came back to an old magic find video of yours after a long long time and found out I was unsubbed from your channel. No wonder why I never see your vids on my feed anymore. Resubbed of course

[@samuelsmith9582]

1.09 was the golden age

[@reamie]

Meh i thought you were going to review the old Shako. I feel clickbaitiolated, a little.

[@MrLlamaSC]

I mean I think all of the old items deserve their own video tbh

[@reamie]

@@MrLlamaSC that could be fun

[@samw2996]

You must mean 1.08 shaco, that was with 40% extra life

[@spuds7677]

The 1.09 patch is the reason I stopped playing D2 all together. Even in D2R, I have 1.09 PTSD and I don't play it for that reason. the 1.09 patch rendered most of my build useless. RIP the Lag-O-Mancer!

[@sm3631]

Where is the video of you playing the original patch!!!?

[@kanameow]

I remember adoring classic bowa in 1.09 and when 1.1 happened she was completely unusable all my characters couldn’t kill cows anymore so I quit 😅

[@BrianBoru78]

That was my favorite Patch back in the days🤩

[@kylehairston4514]

This patch is for ppl that have patience and actually enjoy the game. Not ppl that want to farm items or be lvl 99 in 2 days. For the true grinders that wanted to actually play a game casually

[@super-duper]

i still to this day never achieved 99 ... but i know what you mean.

[@zetaritari]

what was the patch where mephisto could drop bugged uniques? try to get one :)

[@QQWoLPHie]

in 1.09 online i had an account full of 6 socket bug wf cliff killer ammies 4os bvalor. was dope... then on classic hc, i had a bunch of prepatch gear that didnt have lvl requirements on uniques. lvl 12 charge paladin with bonesnap on classic hardcore for pk.

[@gerardow92]

Did duriel have cold imunity in hell? Im almost absolutely positive that that was the case.. cant find it anywhere

[@vitorcarvalho7793]

instead of changing bases damages, they tried making the physical damage balanced by adding 300+ ed affix into the new runewords. that's my best guess.

[@qwerti91]

or flat 350-400 for that matter, yeah balance.

[@akse]

Stupid thing since now the only weapon you wanted was a runeword ..

[@caleydorrell]

Bugger Strength gloves? Occy ring?? ITH RUNEWORDS?!?! The glory days

[@Ramza1987]

I played the hell out of this patch (pun intended) and when i came back to D2R things felt so easy XD

[@Dom4z]

Wsup with glasses? Got nearsighted?

[@Perfectcrime87]

I miss 1.09 😢. I beat 1.08 a few years ago. Was fun

[@StevenJeffrey-h2g]

How do you play just D2 Classic on one PC? every time I download D2 it goes straight to LoD

[@medivh1272]

You can play classic on D2R. As far as D2 classic, I would assume you can install it on an older pc using just discs.

[@StevenJeffrey-h2g]

@@medivh1272 I play on the original D2 LoD as my computer can't handle D2R , but yes there is an option on D2R to play classic, looks like a blue flag