Diablo 4 - Loot Reborn Update

Talking about the recent changes to itemization and some other systems brought on by Diablo 4's season 4 loot reborn update.
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[@okamichamploo]

The biggest change for me was having Legendary Powers automatically added to your codex when you salvage them, so now I can stop sorting through tons of legendaries just in case I want to use the power off one in the future. That plus a lot of the drops have been streamlined to give you less junk so my inventory feels super clean and manageable now.

[@kylerobinson6102]

Oh it's amazing how much better the game plays, even in early levels.

[@SharkinbearTV]

I could be wrong, I've been out of the loop on D4 for awhile, but I think they mentioned that this "season" would be shorter. That is because it isn't actually a traditional season but more of a pause for them to work on QoL before the next season and oncoming expansion.

[@dambros]

There is a notification in-game that says it will end in the beginning of August. Don't remember the day exactly but I believe it was on the 8th.

[@CorruptorPeste]

Oooof course. Tell me more.

[@user-ho1pj8vm8l]

Blizzard will never be capable of making a game worth purchasing again

[@Matt34677]

They said this season is shorter due to them having to delay the start of it. I believe it was supposed to have started middle of April.

[@abraxis59]

Just FYI the season is shorter simply because they added time to the last season so they could do a PTR. So the new season just started a bit late due to the added testing for base mechanics and the pit. It is not actually ending early at all.

[@AhbibHaald]

Do you plan to cover Grim dawn and its upcoming expansion?

[@MaitreMechant]

I'm sooooooo looking forward to play this new expansion, gonna be a blast (hopefully)

[@me36391]

GD is the best, def looking forward to another expansion.

[@MortismalGaming]

Yeah, waiting for word on the release date for the xpac mostly

[@Evanz111]

Thanks for this! Sometimes it’s tough when to know when to get back into a live service title, as a lot of the big updates don’t do much to help with repetition or content droughts. Think I’ll do the same as you and wait for the expansion before getting back into it!

[@abraxis59]

I play D4 a good bit. I found your take on the new season and the loot system fair, interesting and different than my own. I am honestly sad that you did not enjoy the redo as I respect your opinion and I know that you wish all the games you try well. If I may, I would like to cover a few more details that I think are worth mentioning for others (I don't think any of this will change how fun you found things). This is long so those who don't care I totally understand and just please ignore this but I tried to segment it so you can just read the things you care about. 1. Loot system core - the idea of the new loot system, while also making the base of it simpler was to streamline the process of figuring out if something is worth keeping. So, once you hit world tier three, yellows are worthless and you just crunch them for crafting mats. Once you hit WT4, basic legendries eventually become worthless because all you want is items with GREATER affixes (see below). It just makes the evaluation process MUCH faster and easier. 2. Loot system Greater Affixes - one extra detail that I think may make a bit of a difference for some is that, in world tier 4, items can randomly have affixes that are GREATER. These are affixes that will be 150% of the max of normal affixes. The item can have anywhere from one to ALL of its aspects be greater affixes. So effectively there is another tier of loot before crafting. They also made it easy for you to tell you got one because the item on the ground and in your inventory will look like a legendary with a sun symbol on it. 3. Loot system Tempering - while I 100% agree with the evaluation that you have to MAKE your cool gear and some may not find that fun, there are two things worth noting that I think are "fun" in this regard. First, you don't start with all the different tempering options. So, just like loot, there are various rarities of tempering recipes you have to go out and collect and most tempering recipes are still a bit random in that you can get 2-6 options in each recipe. They do not make this especially hard to get them, but it is another dimension to the loot cycle. Second, and more importantly, the Tempering system not only gives you agency in how your gear turns out, they added some very interesting new affixes that change some of the base attributes of your skills and allow you to try to fill gaps more effectively. Want more tornados for your Barb? Slap extra or bigger tornados on multiple weapons and watch what happens (they even had to nerf this so you could see your screen). Need more resist or resource regen? Temper it on your item. Want your Golem to hit like a truck? Add + golem damage to your gear. You can even increase the size of your AOE affects until they are nearly screen covering size. 4. Aspects - While the Aspect system works as described, there is a lot more to this change that makes it much more impactful. In the old system, only I think around 1/3 of the aspects were in your codex and only at the lowest level (permanently). This was a bad system because any aspect with a "good role" or any aspect that was not in the codex had to be found randomly. Because of this, players had to hoard items with well rolled aspect in their inventories and would often not use the best aspects always waiting for a better piece of gear to put it on. This was changed in two ways. First ALL aspects are now go into your codex once found when you dismantle an item (they actually put a symbol on items that will improve your codex when dismantled). Second, any time you dismantle an item that has a better version of the aspect it is saved PERMANENTLY to the codex. No more hunting for the same aspect over and over again once you have the perfect version. In fact, you will naturally get them all over time, so farming them is a thing of the past. This has the intended secondary effect of completely emptying out our stash. So now there is plenty of room. 5. Helltides - Everything that was said about helltides in this video was also 100% accurate, but there is a bit more. First the GTA style wanted system comes with ever increasing monster density, so it can become quite relentless especially at lower levels. Second, the chests in helltides have been redone so ALL of them are the chests that used to be rare and the ashes needed to open them are plentiful and get picked up from a much larger range, so no back tracking for them any more. Finally, these chests and other things drop hearts. These hearts are like the season 2 mechanic that everyone loved. There is a place in every helltide to start a group event by placing 3 hearts. It effectively summons a helltide boss who is quite nasty and drops great loot. The helltide system is now intended to be your primary way to level to WT3 and 4 and it is INSANELY fast. It is so fast to level now in fact that some may not like it. 6. Obols - there is a gambling mechanic that they have now made very effective. Now, at level 100, the "obols" you pick up can be used to gamble for items that are max level and can have greater affixes just like the ones that drop off of mobs. So, it has now become a super fast and super effective way to fill an item slot that has stubbornly not been dropping for you with the greater affixes you want. Final notes. The assessment of the pit is super fair and the master crafting system is not worth talking about because it is purely an end game system. So, if you stick around for that, you don't need me to talk about it 😀 Thank you to anyone who read this and found it helpful and sorry if you did not.

[@BigPapaSpeedwagon]

I actually did find this helpful man. I dropped mega money on d4 for me and a friend and quit after the 1st season because we just weren't having fun. I'm definitely gonna rally the troops back and try and tackle the game again.

[@halss51]

I also played a bit (all day to be precise) and I agree with most of your points.This season feels great and made a lot of builds viable using tempering, some are very op, but honestly, I don't see a problem with that, since even the "weaker ones" can get you very far. Overall, a lot of good foundations laid out, more diversity/choices on how you lvl up and get/craft gear and lots of QoL that were needed.

[@zhouenlai2569]

Thank you for this detailed breakdown!

[@sataricon111]

Can you give us an update on the state of rogue trader? Bugs wise i mean is it in a playable state yet?

[@tylerperry5654]

Patiently waiting for that video as well

[@tizodd6]

D4 needs to update abilities before it can really be considered in today's arpg landscape. The skill trees are way too bare boned to compete with stuff like Grim Dawn, Lost Epoch, Path of Exile, etc.

[@homword]

I genuinely think it's worse than D2's skill trees which is 20+ years old. Nough said.

[@amysteriousviewer3772]

You can’t even call them Skill Trees. They are Skill Roads for pre-determined builds with very little meaningful variation.

[@tizodd6]

@@homword I doubt anyone could honestly argue with you. Looking through the skill trees and build options, D2 is objectively better. I'll never understand why so many game devs choose to dumb down their successful franchises. If your formula was already successful, then build on it. Don't take away from it.

[@renaudtissier]

@@tizodd6 Simply because dumbing down means everbody can play it meaning more possible buyers.

[@tizodd6]

@@renaudtissier More "possible" buyers, sure. But devs don't seem to realize how fickle those "possible" buyers are. Long-time, devoted Diablo players kept D2 alive for years (over a decade). Many of the long-time players even bought the remaster not long ago. Catering to a fickle playerbase who's on to the next game after a week, is not a winning strategy imo.

[@franpineda8334]

I've been hooked on Diablo 2 again for a few weeks now, my guilty pleasure since 2001. I'm aware that the loot system is tricky and makes the game look almost like a slot machine, but Diablo 2 has something magical that neither Diablo 3 nor Diablo 4 have been able to equalize. I don't know if it's the item system, or skills, or item drops... but Diablo 2 continues to be much more addictive and rewarding with every thing I get. It surprises me how despite the "things" to do in Diablo 4 endgame, I prefer to be repeating the same area over and over again in Diablo 2 XDDD Greetings from Spain! :)

[@613aristocrat]

Greetings to my fellow grinder! Nothing beats the grind if the gameplay is satisfying and the rewards pleasing to the eye.

[@thomasace2547]

D2R is just arguably a better game

[@Mikester88]

Calling one of the best most influential games of all time "guilty pleasure" is crazy!!😄

[@eejay6191]

I think it's explained in some video about Last Epoch but the changes you get like finding some legendary could change the effect of your skills. Leveling up skills could also change the effect. So you might play the same class but you could change the experience.

[@clappagemcphee]

Saludos, hermano

[@jesot]

So many other games in this genre I'll try before bothering with this one. I'm probably just done with ActiBlizzard at all anymore along with Ubisoft.

[@selfloathingweekly]

Same. I'll probably grab D4 if it's on a DEEP sale but other then that? Nah

[@Mike_l_itoris]

@@selfloathingweekly well it's free on game pass if that helps, so nothing is stopping people from trying it right now

[@JacksOLantern]

I wish they make the cooldowns way faster man. I hate having to basic attack so much

[@grimsbeast]

D4 has been my casual game that I can just turn on to just relax, a game I can pick up and put down so the loot system for me was a welcome change because it helps to make playing casually feel better. I have played ARPGs since D2 and one thing I have kind of hated is sorting through loot drops, it can often feel like a chore especially in end game so I appreciate having more control via crafting.

[@selfloathingweekly]

That literally sums up Diablo 3 moreso then 4

[@chickenbroski99]

large companies dont spend time designing games based on your enjoyment. they spend time designing games around how they can manipulate the lowest common denominators

[@AndreLuis-gw5ox]

​@@chickenbroski99 holy cow, you saw through the manipulations of big corpos! You must be a genius or something

[@mathieuguillet4036]

What class/build are you liking best?

[@kpatelv607]

The greater affix items are items that you can get excited for when they do drop I feel like, especially like the triple greater affix ones, for example.

[@halfaron]

I'll play Diablo IV once they finally release a crusader/paladin class. It's crazy to me that they released Diablo III and Diablo IV without a holy class.

[@thesheb8311]

I played the game at release. Had fun but I got my fill. Told myself I’d check back in at season 6… Almost there!

[@howardjustin08]

Is this for the internal realm as well or just seasonal?

[@MortismalGaming]

It is for every realm yeah

[@Huszta425]

When did lechens began wearing armor??

[@reficulonePARLAYKING]

Can anyone tell me when the expansion would be coming out because from what I understood and read but this is a while ago they said they weren't making one for like a year or so

[@MortismalGaming]

Late this year last I heard

[@GnomeEU]

I wonder if there will ever be any news about d4 that make me say: Hey I wanna play this now!

[@Mackem_uk]

Maybe an offline mode would make me buy it.

[@xHeLLz]

@@amysteriousviewer3772I respect your opinion but I just don’t see what makes this game so bad

[@Rafael-pe6yg]

@@amysteriousviewer3772 I 100% agree. I think it's because it's so slow, you run slow, the open world is not interesting and linear is way better, your character doesnt feel powerful and lastly leveling takes ages.

[@abraxis59]

If this redo of the game does not do it for you, then unfortunately it may never come. Even if they add a new class, it will still be the same game. I know that they are looking to enhance the core skill system at some point, but even then... I myself find it fun as a casual game, but I respect the opinion of those who were hoping for something more.

[@Needkey.]

The announcement that they are finished adding content to the game. Then I'll know it's actually in a complete and balanced state and jump in.

[@PokeBubba15]

I loved the update. Not sure why everyone dislikes it so much.

[@Soapy_Papoose]

Nice, the game is finally in a state it should have launched at!

[@Khatakhat_Tharki]

More like Diablo3

[@erdrick22]

Thank you, you saved me a bunch of time investing in this update.

[@ceetruth4709]

The game now is better than ever. So many potential creative builds.

[@BeowulfBelmont]

We need new classes, story dlc, new enemy types, new zones, and new armor appeal

[@EastyyBlogspot]

I wonder if they can do a skill tree update lol

[@thomasvogel106]

I like it. It gets more complex at endgame. New builds (my favorite part of the game) are fun to try out.

[@ricktherock]

Loved 1 & 2. Enjoyed 3. Took part in server slam for 4 yet no desire to play it. Maybe this update will change that.

[@stevebeschakis9775]

I was hoping to get an answer to why I'm suddenly at cap for all resistances by default, and why all the ubers, including Duriel are about as tough as kittens.

[@sirverbalot]

Question for the community: Is D4 worth returning to at this juncture? I bought it Day 1 and played it for about 3 weeks before switching to PoE. What's the consensus these days?

[@Aiglos78]

As a super devoted D2 player of 20 years and someone who loved what D3 eventually became, I feel like D4 has finally arrived at that synergistic point where the dev team understands what was mainly appealing about both of those games and really wants to serve that to the community. I know that's vague...but if nothing else, the dev team have taken in a toooooon of feedback and acted accordingly while still offering some cool new stuff like tempering that I think will give the game significant longevity. The moment-to-moment gameplay was always pretty great. But every class now feels rightly powerful and build diversity this season is at an all-time high. So my personal take is that if you've been a fan...now is the time to jump back in because I think this season is probably the ramp up toward big things to come. I suspect that the new expansion is going to be the turning point for this game...which if you're a Diablo fan you'll know has literally been the case for EVERY single Diablo game. People tend to forget how I'll received the initial iteration of each game was until their expansions came, and in each case, that literally ended making those games into classics.

[@f.m848]

I love all the changes they made, it's much less frustrating to get exactly the kind of gear you want, the pure rng of the past was a nightmare. it's still very rng based but feels fair. my only complaint is how grindy they made the master working. Not only it cost SO MUCH MONEY, but the required pit materials are so high too! you need more than a 100 to 200 mats for a rank 7 and 8 upgrade and the pits drop something like 50 mats at the highest tier for that mat(yeah I know you can exchange them too but not the MW 8+ mats). the problem is the pit enemies will become such damage sponges as you go higher that it becomes tedious going through the pit. also, the rewards for such high-difficulty pits are pathetic! at least give us guaranteed higher affixes for 90+ pits, you know something to actively look forward too

[@vofenn]

honestly, my biggest issue is that there are really only like 6 skills per playstyle that cant be mixed and matched like in d3. Every fire sorc plays like all other fire sorcs. all werewolves play like other werewolves. in d3, I could make basically any spell work with fire on the wizard. You could have 10 different wizards all focused on fire playing very differently.

[@Killbomb]

I really enjoyed the moment to moment gameplay of D4 but the lackluster loot system caused me to lose interest not long after completing the campaign. Might have to jump back in and give it another go.

[@figuures6098]

I haven’t touched d4 since the first season dropped, but I dipped my toes back in for this. I got lucky, as I’m a minion necro main, and they finally made minions feel good to play, both leveling and at endgame. The leveling process feels a lot smoother and goes by a lot quicker, and the simpler loot setup is more fun to play with. Endgame has more to do at first, but it’s still the weaker point of the game imo

[@The_Bloody_Nine01]

Been having a ton of fun this season tbh. The loot feels a lot better

[@Medivak794]

I'm glad they got around to this, Diablo is looking a bit healthier these days but I get the feeling I'm still not gunna want to touch it till after a couple more seasons... To its credit, it's making strides in the right direction but it's just not quite there for me yet! I wonder if they implemented mercs in yet?

[@kelvinsantiago7061]

Could we get a alternatives to Diablo 4 video?.

[@Rafael-pe6yg]

Last Epoch, thank me later.

[@blackwomangamer2637]

Torchlight infinite, Last Epoch and PoE if you have time on your hands

[@kn0bhe4d]

Diablo 4 is probably my biggest purchase regret. And none of their updates will ever change that.

[@Khatakhat_Tharki]

TRUE...

[@solomani5959]

I feel,you.

[@taithleach01]

I spent $70. I want the game to be good at some point.

[@Blaze_e7]

?? Story is 10/10 and is the purchase worth imo

[@fiyamage]

Level 1-60 was good and worth it. Everything else...meh

[@user-yn5oj3yy9y]

Loving the new season...makes the game feel new and fresh...finally a Nec feels op

[@devastatheseeker9967]

The fact you can just salvage a legendary to permanently have a certain effect you can put on stuff now is so sick! I had a legendary that was really damn good as my necromancer that with my build basically just spawned a bunch of blood orbs but then somehow I lost it. So not having the ability to lose such a valuable legendary effect is so good

[@nerdyjawsh]

Have they made it so enemies don't scale with you.

[@victorm919]

All of this sounds extremely tedious TBH. Why do so many games today look like disguised chores lists and have tons of unnecessary mechanics. Playing modern AAAs feels like work.

[@PytorDukiv]

Because it makes them more money wasting your time. Sunk cost fallacy, plus covers up the bloated development window since their releases "last" longer.

[@MindinViolet]

I agree. So many of these game are exhausting. That is why I love indie games so much.

[@Aiglos78]

Actually, in the context of play, a few of these changes will actually greatly improve efficiency. The codex change alone will eliminate hours of both UI management tedium and will mitigate a large chunk of the "chase" for perfect rolls.

[@Ocean5ix]

I guess these changes are made for people that are hardcore players of the isometric ARPG genre, which are the ones complaining about D4 to begin with. This entire genre is about things being a chore. It's supposed to be a min maxing grind fest with the ultimate goal of always honing your build and optimizing your damage to kill larger packs of monsters faster.

[@o.k.714]

Agreed to op. Played 20hrs on release, and barely managed to lvl to 50 after finishing campaign. Uninstalled the game and now a year later decided to give it a try. Same issue - by lvl 46 I am full legendary, and these repeatable "chores" become excessively tedious rapidly. And besides them - the game does not really offer anything.

[@rogerbabin8175]

I'm with you on the loot...at least on paper. I'm still early on in the leveling process so maybe by end game I'll love the new system. I was mostly happy with the old system...the idea of just getting 3 affixes and then doing multiple crafting systems to finish an item actively takes away from the joys of a loot based game. Rerolls as crafting was inherently more fun because you always had that feeling that the perfect or near perfect thing might just drop.

[@Sephiroso.]

You are in the vast minority i feel with that thinking. There were way too many stupidly conditional stats in the game before to classify the old loot system as being good imo. Granted i can see your point of preferring enchanting being the only "crafting" you did rather than tempering/masterworking(which masterworking is basically just blacksmith upgrades). But i don't think they've said tempering was gonna be permanent as it is this season's mechanic so that might be how the game is after this season, where you just reroll via enchants, idk.

[@rogerbabin8175]

@@Sephiroso. My above comment was 'on paper'....I've now actually PLAYED season 4...I'm level 79 with my barb. I have to say I'm REALLY enjoying the new loot system over the old one. So I actually disagree Mortismal Gaming on this. The removal of Aspects inventory management is a complete game changer for the better. Tempering is great. The way they've balanced overworld activities is really well done so that just about everything feels rewarding. I still have a ton of things I'd do differently and I can't speak to the ultimate end game...but I normally played other characters to roughly level 80 and this experience to 80 was better than those.

[@Steve-kr5ef]

Is it still max lvl 100 though?

[@Sephiroso.]

Yes, and the time to reach that has been cut drastically

[@RapidVipercdog]

My main problems after beating the game originally was that leveling felt slow and enemy density was too light. I jumped on last night for the first time in forever and both of those felt great! Shame that the complexity of the gear had to go down though. I tend to prefer more complex and niche builds but I know this knew way will be easier for my wife to enjoy.

[@Sephiroso.]

The complexity of the gear didn't go down. They just removed stupid stats that never should have been a thing. Like "+damage while healthy but before you entered the nearest mcdonalds on a thursday". They added new modifiers in their place that actually can be build defining/enhancing in unique ways like multiple projectiles or chance to freeze/stun/immobilize enemies giving you a way to cc enemies without having to use a dedicated skill to do so.

[@RapidVipercdog]

@Sephiroso. that's good to know. My wife and I have only been able to put a couple hours into it so far. I was just going off of what I heard/ have seen so far.

[@imraw17]

I haven’t even beat the main story 😅😅😅 probably should get on that would think I wasted $70

[@skillywilly187]

Started with a 64druid Then I leveled up a 94 Mage.now im rollin necromancer

[@Vryn-nh7tc]

I really like the update. I've got 671 hours in the game and will be playing it even more now. This season was a great improvement though I have enjoyed most seasons after 2.

[@Pasteldqueijo]

Man i had fun with diablo 4... i play a game once to the end and dont keep playing a thousand times.. it was a solid fun looter rpg

[@AM-uo2kf]

Lol until you mentioned it was a reskinning of the rift system, as you explained it i immediately realised it’s just a rehash idea, which I already assumed was in the game.

[@johnreeves5152]

Summonoer Necros are now viable through 100, the game feels good to play, and I like the loot changes. The only thing I'm kind of meh about is the weak season theme. I was hoping for a permanent Iron Wolf minion.

[@jovasmav]

Glad I hard passed on this game. Patiently waiting for PoE 2

[@camma12]

Liked, commented and subscribed 🎺👐 I really couldn't give a shit about D4 but I'm just doing my part for the algorithm machine 😂

[@Zero_Zone.]

Same.

[@SuperFlyGhost]

Thanks for the update. Unfortunately I have become apathetic to the game. I personally need more than loot fixes to re-level another character.

[@ryanz486]

Seems like a good time to jump back into Grim Dawn.

[@israellopez9766]

Didint they try the time dungeon thing when the game was released and had to remove it because it was a taxing thing to worry about lol😂

[@iamrayvell3052]

I just saw the update on PS5, i wonder what you think about it

[@JeremyCuddles]

Loot being mostly good only after running it through the crafting monotony kinda sours the whole looter experience. Lol. The fun of looters are you'll find a bunch of loot, and sometimes it'll be upgrades on what you got. But now you find stuff that are upgrades, but only after you send it through the crafting section of the game. Not a huge loss for me though. The overall changes are nice. Shame that the season is kinda just a watered down season 2. I didn't really have the drive to keep messing with the system.

[@ellesar500]

Changes are great, s3 was a letdown after s2 but this one might be the one where I keep playing while having fun. Necro minion build is silly power though 😅

[@ChrisHMusic95]

Diablo 4 was the first arpg I've seriously played, and although I enjoyed my time with it, it didn't really grip me beyond the main story. It also looks like this update won't bring me back. I'm considering trying Last Epoch, how does it compare?

[@MagicalMajestic]

Depends what about it didnt grip you, story isnt a reason to play last epoch at all but has more skill customization/depth and more options for items, I'd personally say endgame is about as deep as D4 though but they have annouced a new roadmap with updates focusing that.

[@jmmywyf4lyf]

Youre choosing the most overmonetized titles of the genre... I would do Grim Dawn, and Parh of Exile.. Even Diablo 2.. if you like 40k Inquisitor Martyr qas awesome

[@aspikbardamu6040]

Deeper gameplay, mechanic and build variety on LE - Story/Graphism and "impact" better on D4

[@Psycorde]

Last Epoch is a lot of fun, good progression and class variety

[@Psycorde]

​@@jmmywyf4lyfCalling LE overmonetized compared to POE lol

[@hardbody2072]

You know what, i played Diablo 2 remastered and played through the whole damn thing and enjoyed ALL OF IT played Diablo 4 as a Druid and stopped after about 15 hours, I just wasnt feeling it, a lot of it was the loot, nothing felt tailored to a specific build, some of it was the Druid feeling boring(to me) I'm usually a paladin, but am willing to give it another try

[@coconutologist]

Thanks for the video. Sounds like more services for a live service title. Onward to 400k. All glory to the algorithm.

[@imLeyt0n]

Might as well play a level 100 character in Eternal because it’s a month and half or so season it’s not worth grinding

[@DecimatedSoul]

This season makes me wish i actually played season 3 theres like nothing to offer in this season

[@Sephiroso.]

No you don't. Season 3 is widely known to be D4's worst season aside from Season 1 and that was only due to massive nerfs blizzard did right before season 1.

[@killeraapie]

I'm only going to play again if they remove mob scaling. It felt so bad getting weaker while leveling up. Never touched it again

[@slice9996]

I'm still playing D2 remastered tbh

[@anthonylittle666]

It's definitely not my favorite game in the series, but it's still a decent 'turn your brain off and relax' kind of game to play in small bits when I'm not studying or something. The always online requirements are still stupid though.

[@elsieoneill6181]

I love your channel but I hate Blizz Activision for what they have done to their games as of late. Was especially a huge fan of the older diablo titles and overwatch 1 and I'll never live down what they did to overwatch.

[@lewanjosephnimick9359]

I couldn't bring myself to finish the campaign. It's just mowing down easy enemies and spongey bosses but it's not engaging. Just spam abilities and everything dies

[@Tokru86]

That's precisely the fromular of Diablo since the 90s you are describing.

[@lewanjosephnimick9359]

@@Tokru86 then it's not a very fun formula. Zero brain required. Idk it didn't feel like my build, items or choice of skills mattered at all and I couldn't up the difficulty beyond the second tier. At least in D3 you could keep raising it

[@mhjmstultiens]

@@Tokru86 Not quite. D1 was quite hard and tactical. This changed in D2 though.

[@Quaaludio]

play on hardcore so you have to pay attention

[@lewanjosephnimick9359]

@@Quaaludio I'm on second difficulty. I don't think you can use the others until the campaign is done

[@JamescMichel]

I’m glad D4 is about on par with D3 now but I’m honestly tired of these Reborn or 2.0 patches modern games get. If this is a sequel to a game, learn from the previous! Even if that team is gone, the current team has the code, millions of people online, and thousands of videos detailing what worked and what didn’t. There is no excuse for a Triple A game to need a patch like this in the first place.

[@chrisgee8441]

So they last epoched/affixed it Cool. Too late.

[@brawlercaeryck3913]

Still want my $20 battlepass I never used refunded. Keep the $70, was my learning cost.

[@xHeLLz]

Or you could…. Just play

[@verde5738]

I was thinking about getting D4 since it's on a 50% sale right now, but just like you, I absolutely hate dumbing down loot. They did the same thing to D3 and the game become super boring after Loot 2.0

[@Hanging_Brain]

Its a shame it took them so long to do what everyone said needed to be done. Im not sure i’ll return to d4 for at least another couple years, just like d3.

[@TheGronkus]

Gronk!

[@matthewbeach104]

So is this system going to stay forever? Hopefully it goes away after this season bc I really really don't like it.

[@enginerd0001]

This is just too late for me. I’ve moved on and don’t plan to go back. Hopefully those who still play are happy

[@SlowerIsFaster139]

Loot wasn't even my problem with this game. Its the skill trees and content. Been doing hell tides since before the first season. I dont care what gear I get from doing them, I just don't want to do hell tides anymore. And nightmare dungeons are an absolute chore. You can have the best loot and crafting in the world and if your game has nothing to do I won't want to play it

[@chocopuddingcup83]

Diablo 4 has its flaws (and quite a few of them) but the storm druid is still one of the most satisfying lightning/weather-based magic classes I have ever played in any game, ever.

[@cbrock68]

I haven’t touched Diablo 4 since all my friends got the damn ghost horse drop on their first or second run of that world event and I still haven’t gotten it after 30 attempts

[@crimsonhead100]

Been playing season 4 and I can’t believe the game is actually super fun now

[@Wkumar07]

I will try it again

[@matthuck378]

It's a start. I still think the game needs: -More monsters/enemy types. Enemy variety compared to others in the genre is pretty terrible. So many identical bandits, ghosts, etc. -Another class (holy-type/sword and board-type, ideally, IMO) -More dungeon tilesets. Again, nowhere near enough variety here for a giant AAA ARPG. -More outdoor environments and more varied environments. These do look great, though...Even with all the brown. Seriously, 90% of this game is burnt sienna and raw umber. -An actual day/night cycle. Look at Titan Quest. That top down ARPG has a day/night cycle. In D4, sometimes it looks like night and sometimes it looks like day. There are two lighting conditions. That's it. This is not and never was a day/night cycle. -Socketables are still garbage, and they played around with that for season 1...But then...Nothing. Gems still suck. -Something to do while leveling other than racing to endgame. There's basically no crafting or anything to do while leveling anymore. -More free item skins. There isn't enough visual variety in gear sets or colorways, and even the "premium" skins aren't great or beautiful, IMO. Also, I've played 2 classes to above level 90, and I still haven't unlocked all the item skins. Or are those unfilled spaces for the shop and battle pass items?

[@thetwo-armedman]

I'm not a fan of crafting systems in RPGs in general (ARPG or otherwise), and Blizzard seems to have gone all-in on crafting in Diablo 4.

[@KevinY5]

Good stuff :)

[@michaelanderson3958]

I wouldn't mind a Diablike with a crafting system akin to an Atelier JRPG, but they're using a generically grindy crafting system. This update is just... ugh. The loot not only feels the same but now we're being tasked with MORE menus? And why Rifts in D4? Haven't we had enough of the game's 4 dungeons at this point...

[@timmyburch6501]

❤

[@janpawedwa4590]

They are simplifying a game that is already as deep as a puddle. Neat.

[@pureplay7071]

No that is not true.

[@chinaman1]

​@@pureplay7071please tell me more.

[@Yarsig]

As a D4 hater, nah. A lot of the affixes were straight up convoluted and would often brick an item that would otherwise be decent.

[@Psycorde]

I think they're just cleaning up, seems like redundant and pointless stuff was removed. It should have a positive effect for future updates I reckon, giving him some space to fill

[@adambickford8720]

If you get agency you have to pay in grinding because time is the ultimate denominator. If not those, then you will essentially 'solve' the game and get bored. Mort makes a great point though, given the cost of upgrades I think i'll be *less* likely to do it for an 'incremental' upgrade, which actually reduces my variety as well as excitement.

[@Quaaludio]

no

[@jmmywyf4lyf]

"Legendary" means nothing anymore.. it USED to be a weapon of legend! Blizzard turned it into another colored upgrade

[@thecash5837]

unique maybe ?

[@MovieKiller333]

Its finally starting to look and feel more like diablo 3. Really liking it.

[@runswithtrees6173]

Only people who didn’t play diablo2 would want Diablo 4 to be more like Diablo 3. Diablo 3 sucks butts compared to D2.

[@thomasace2547]

D4 has been nothing but disappointment for me The Season 2 buff was cool, but it really needed to rebuild the loot and skills systems, So basically nice art but all the “good” looking skins are to buy, in a game about grinding loot, really doesn’t work Already talking about a $30-$60 DLC on the horizon next year? I honestly feel D4 was an awful purchase

[@John_II]

This actually sounds like a real QOL update. Streamlined loot is better for me. But the problem of needing to upgrade an item to see if it's actually better than what you have is already the problem I had with gear. I don't have a problem with that grind, but it's silly to never know if an item is better than what I already have until I spend the resources to upgrade it. I liked the rifts in D3... I just didn't want to grind them forever. Just like the dungeons: they're fun, but after I've done all of the ones that give my sorc it's affixes, I don't see a reason to the other 120 of them because it's more of the same. Crafting may be better than waiting for loot to drop (which is already dumb for the reason in my first point), because I least I can work towards something instead of praying to RNGesus for a better drop. That being said, I'm with Mortismal on this one; I'm waiting for the expansion. D3 was only really good after Reaper of Souls and after a bunch of patches, and D4 is probably going to be the same. No point grinding it right now because my progress might just be reset at the expansion's release. PS: I'm going to skip the expansion if I have to start a new character and do everything all over again. Not going to happen. Doing one character was more work/trouble than I wanted (and I only got my sorcerer to level 62 and beat the WT IV capstone dungeon before putting the game down).

[@zackdines]

Sounds like they took a lot from the crafting system in Last Epoch. Which isn't surprising, because Last Epoch is just a better game in general...

[@jaweel6205]

I haven’t tried it yet but it just looks so bare bones with low mob density

[@onatgz]

free comment.

[@everrsor]

S4 is great overall from what i played,the changes to necro is amazing as well

[@mhjmstultiens]

And... are we having fun, people?

[@jimdshea]

4 hrs in im having fun. Meeting people in helltide, killing many many more demons than before. First time playing since 6/23. I own it. It's on Game pass. It doesn't need to last forever, jump back in, roll a new toon, and kill some demons:)

[@user-ii9bl6de2j]

I've never had this much fun in Diablo 4, I'm enjoying the heck out of this update. Easy to level, the Pit is fun. I hope they take a lot more from Diablo 3 in fact.

[@Yuliahn]

Imagine if they put all those hours, talent and effort wasted on forms of milking money from players on actual Gameplay systems, loop, character development, gear progresión and so on where they would be at now...is so sad that fast money IS more important today than steady long time bound and income. Bosses in this company s had not vision anymore

[@andrews6013]

1.1

[@Greenhead24]

A reskin of the rift system lol. Ofcourse.