Diablo II Resurrected - Treachery VS Fortitude (Stream Clip)

[@sppsports2449]

i dropped a Sur rune in chaos today, and it’s my birthday! Good video as always

[@Mike-om4tv]

Grays mines tomorrow, hoping for a drop

[@michaelsethman1181]

Bro what was the game name so I can go pick it up.

[@WorldFighter95]

Mine too. Finally made enigma today... for my sorc ofc haha

[@Kristalya]

Congratulations a month late! 🎂

[@threefirstnamegodsquared8836]

Two years late But Happy Birthday Sur! Someone has to say it..

[@ud0204]

its pretty simple tbh Fortitude if you want straight damage Treachery if you want proc like Crushing Blow, Static Field on Cresent Moon runword... In my own opinion, if you farm in Chaos Santuary or Throne of Destruction, go for Treachery (the curse will expire almost instantly) Other area: Fortitude

[@GGMentor]

I really like how the curses don't last with treachery but then agian you could swap it in and out for the effect.

[@AnhNguyen-hn9vj]

fortitude if you have enough speed. else go for treachery.

[@Ashleymaul]

It really depends on your polearm base and Merc's break points, including a possible +35% from andy visage. If I have fast polearm like Thresher, Fortitude is better. With a cryptic axes I would rather give him treachery. What you really don't want is for the Merc to have low attack speed. That said, for me the REAL test for the merc is Travincal.

[@prokariot1]

You need guardian angel and um/ral rune for Travincal. You came up with the only place where fortitude or treachery are not the best possible armors.

[@GorchaxGaming]

funny how treachery is good for any class except assassin... Design flaws are funny sometimes. (For those who wonder, the procs will override your own manually casted buffs, which you usually don't want)

[@jesseroberts1041]

I mean, you could also just put those points into other skills/synergies but I’ve never touched an assassin build really so I don’t know her skill trees etc.

[@kittengold9814]

​@jesseroberts1041 the problem is that it gets rid of burst of speed which is an incredibly busted skill and is basically mandatory for every Sin build because all her traps are cast off of attack speed. Also for Sin the resists are less important because for a melee sin losing BoS reduces your Life Leach which is more important for staying alive, and for a Trap Sin you're generally just staying back and being out of the way and spamming bombs and traps to stop the enemies from even reaching u.

[@nicolasbascunan4013]

I disagree. People who use BoS cast it all the time unnecessarily anyway (after they kill 2 o 3 packs of enemies). If fade proc, you will just cast BoS anyway and override it. It’s a good assa armor.

[@ulloriaqjensen1924]

I learned alot watching your videos. Keep up the great work. Best diablo 2 channel ^_^

[@GGMentor]

Thank you ulloriaq

[@kallmewas]

I have found that I use Treachery to start, as you said it is much cheaper, but I notice he survives much better with Fortitude

[@sadp9013]

Fort with defance aura is great your merc will have around 12k-15k def if your sorc have chiled amror will have about 10k defance too

[@blazedehart2748]

Fortitude for bossing. Treachery for mobbing. If you aren’t gonna get hit by lots of small attacks, Treachery isnt very good.

[@dsinemoi1mouton]

actually, treachery gives 45% increased attack speed. Which means both more crushing blow and decrepify (procs in general). Which means everything as long as a boss is involved.

[@dsinemoi1mouton]

I would tend to say the contrary. To one shot trash mobs, fortitude. To go into the tough fight, treachery might be better in a lot of cases.

[@blazedehart2748]

@@dsinemoi1mouton treachery isn’t good unless you’re gonna get hit by enough small hits to proc Fade. Otherwise, it’s really bad. Like, the only reason to use it is because of fade. And a boss is t ever gonna proc that. They should be dead before they can hit you. Which, they are for sure if you’re wearing Fortitude. Lol.

[@dsinemoi1mouton]

@@blazedehart2748 Hmm, read my reply again. Treachery has 45% attack speed on it. Which helps proccing crushing blow. Fade doesn't matter on a boss as boss dps is irrelevant on mercenary. Not to mention other wonderful procs that help your dps and merc's (read decrepify effects on wiki).

[@blazedehart2748]

@@dsinemoi1mouton ohhh. I see our misunderstanding. I was talking about armor for the character, not the merc. For merc I pretty much always use Treachery.

[@marcusmiller3491]

Thanks bro! great videos...keep it up

[@TheMrRee100]

Treachery is better bc the fade and 45% ias for the life leech effect from Andy's helm although if you're using tomb reaver it gets 60% ias so that with Fortitude is better just won't get the res from fade my sorcs Merc using tomb reaver with eth superior wyrmhide Fortitude is over 20k maybe Treachery and Tomb reaver with a shael in it just incredibly fast attack speed that would be 125% ias wow.

[@jesseroberts1041]

What’s your Merc’s helm? Something that has life leech I guess? Or no cause tomb weaver has life leech already lmao. So Andy’s or guilames face? I’m using gface on my sorc’s mercenary rn and I can’t remember which helm for my barbs.

[@TheMrRee100]

@@jesseroberts1041 Andariels visage socketed with a Ral rune, God bless you God is good Jesus is Lord.

[@ZorrosRage]

So from what I've seen on creators videos it seems that we can possibly hit higher attack speed breakpoints for frenzy/zeal. Maybe BOTD + Treachery on user may allow us to hit that better than grief. What do you think?

[@GGMentor]

I have heard about this and I am looking forward to testing it, no answers yet

[@ZorrosRage]

@@GGMentor Awesome cant wait for the video. Also hear the A5 Hell Frenzy mobs doing a ton more damage compared to previous(Maybe a new revive target for summon necro if true). My first char is not that far to check on any of this. Possibly could add to your testing video :-D

[@ryancole4015]

If corpses are a thing then watch out for the chilling armor proc from fortitude.

[@ryancole4015]

@Max Payne chance of shattering the corpse

[@dogman2387]

Just traded 15 Jah runes for a Treachery with 1027 defense. Using it on my merc for ubers. My Fortitude is 2853 defense, so Treachery is a big drop from that. Fortitude also gives +142 to Life, but Treachery boosts IAS to 80%, so regen with Life Tap should be better, and DPS may be in the same ballpark. Getting used to the difference. Tried using Treachery as a pre-buff, but it seems there's a bug in D2R where the merc graphics stay faded even after Fade wears off, so you can't tell without looking at the merc stats window. Between that and the hassle of switching merc armor, the pre-buff idea isn't appealing to me.

[@dogman2387]

Update: I ended up trading my Treachery with 1027 defense to someone else for 13 Jah runes, so I lost a couple Jah over both trades, but am happy I got to give it a real try. With Treachery on my merc, Fade just took way too long to activate. Ended up spending more time on merc pre-buff than actually killing ubers. And even with Fade active on my merc, he still dies sometimes. So I'm going back to Fortitude on my merc.

[@manuelcornelio4348]

Treachery is my top armor for melee i can do uber tristram with it on my budget smiter.

[@omgwtflmaololrotfl2368]

My ladder necro is now lvl 92 and was wearing treatchery from about lvl 85. Just because it was cheap and I did not have a Lo rune. Have a GV insight with tals mask. So not the best but not the worst. My merc did die alot before and after it was a lot better. I don't have enigma so I don't Tele and walk/run most of my farming runs. I run countess, andariel, lower kurast, trans, pindle and the other 2 loosers, baal and then diablo. The armour helped me out a lot and fade triggered rather quickly. Today I made my first fortitude..... Let's see how it goes.

[@GGMentor]

Grats man quite an accomplishment

[@omgwtflmaololrotfl2368]

@@GGMentor a Sur rune that dropped 2 days ago plus 2 Um runes got me cta, Lo rune, vex, helfire torch(necro). I made my 1st hoto and today I decided to make fortitude. Thank you for taking the time to read my blabbering. Just wanted to say thank you for your content. Much appreciated.

[@GGMentor]

@@omgwtflmaololrotfl2368 I had a sur rune drop the other day too while I was running ubers

[@omgwtflmaololrotfl2368]

@@GGMentor one day when I'm big I will have an enigma. With the upgrades I have now farming is so much safer.

[@Archangelmd]

Thanks for the content. I have a tesladin using zeal and im torn between Fortitude and Chains of Honor. I have a Pb Grief so I fear the 200% ED won't really help but the defense is huge. Where as CoH gives the skills and resistance and life leech freeing up other item slots. What should I be considering? I was set to go to Fortitude but after seeing CoH I'm now stuck.

[@GGMentor]

The Ed on fort doesn't help non physical damage, as a tesladin most of your damage is from lightning. The Ed on fort will help the grief/zeal physical damage. CoH seems like the better choice in your case but it's really up to you. Paladins Don't really have defense issues due to holy shield.

[@woreyour]

we have the same exact logic with the Lo rune, i realized it why waste a Lo on a merc armor when I can have a godly melee weap

[@epyktechnician2727]

I run trapasin with burst it helps alot even i have to switch buffs its not a big deal ias is huge

[@evertvandenberghe3301]

treachery = attack speed = more crushing blow procs if ya run GFace on merc

[@sadp9013]

Tresh meditation and prayer is great on merc double heal all res damege reduction poison and curse time reduse

[@dtdang0309]

sir, you just become my new favorite youtuber.

[@GGMentor]

Yessssss

[@Renamedthewild]

Another great video.. do you plan to get into hc when the servers stabilise?

[@GGMentor]

I would like to eventually do some hard core characters. With how much I crash on a regular basis.. I am just not sure about it. Plus my girlfriend/daughter distract me regularly and get me killed lol. Not sure I have the right lifestyle for hardcore at the moment. Just take a look at my when my girlfriend visits the stream video I died like 4 times just cause she was in the room. I eventually switched to a different character that didn't require as much attention to play.

[@dvhunter7455]

Hi friend , fortijuice 🐻 and threcero 🐻 , Love them too much , thank to talk about it , Well one question . Gladiator bane it worth to keep ?

[@GGMentor]

I feel like it has some uses I am not sure what yet but I am holding onto mine for now

[@richardhaw9757]

treachery sounds all good to me but my merc doesnt really get damaged much when hes in the midst of my skeletons, revives and golem (even in HELL world stone keep)...maybe another armor would be for him in my case

[@homelesstogreatness6626]

Maybe try an act 1 merc with cold arrow and faith bow for fanaticism. Although just having your act 2merc exist with might aura and pride/insight is cool too.

[@johnrehak]

Does the proc fade also makes burst of speed malfunction the same way as casted Fade skill? Assasin can have only one of them up, but I dont know if its the same with proc one.

[@GGMentor]

Yes you would have to recast burst of speed to overwrite the fade. Every time the fade procs you would have to recast burst of speed.

[@derekgreen7319]

I remember when Valk wing was super sick and they nerfed the hell out of that too lol

[@Kristalya]

*Duress has entered the chat* 💥❄

[@GGMentor]

Lol

[@Forty2de]

maybe summoning an army to surround your merc wasn't the best idea for this test

[@GGMentor]

This video wasn't a test heck it's not even a video, just a clip from a Livestream where I was asked a question and I answered it.

[@kyosgg]

Mine merc is insight in eth thresher , eth duriel and eth crown of thieves and its working amazing. Just got drops for that. Only i needed to buy was eth duriel for um. What do u think about this build ?

[@GGMentor]

Sounds pretty strong, you could upgrade the crown of thieves eventually but sweet.

[@kyosgg]

@@GGMentor if i remember correctly 12 lifesteal is v useful so no need fot tal mask. Maybe if i drop andyface i will upgrade my slave :) cheers!

[@tessmen95]

treachery, IAS is amazing

[@GGMentor]

Yeah 45% is a lot of ias

[@johncani4684]

I just made a CoH w/ my ber. SHould i not have and used one of these 2 instead?

[@GGMentor]

CoH is a great armor, easily better then fort or treachery in many situations. My preference for a sorceress tbh.

[@johncani4684]

@@GGMentor Thank u for all your info on everything :)

[@homelesstogreatness6626]

Both are cheap to make but if I can achieve the IAS breakpoints for 4.5 ticks, I always try to go for treachery though.

[@Yaksonator]

My merc gets slaughtered using treachery. You have to synergize the armor with your weapons and helmet.

[@imeldomarcos4126]

Reapers toll and life leech helm.

[@dsinemoi1mouton]

@@imeldomarcos4126 or Gface helm. 35% crushing blow 15% deadly strike is more damage, so more life leeched also.

[@VanquishAudio]

Found a ber then a eth 4os cryptic axe next day. Still have no idea which armor to use With infinity. I know if i go fort then ill need a thresher.. IDK

[@dsinemoi1mouton]

it's too late ik, but for infinity, i would recommend fortitude + andy face. You will not rely on procs with your inf merc, and you will probably want him to be ready right from the start (and not waiting for proc). That being said, treachery is litterally a free armor to test for a few hours.

[@TAC0FACE]

sure, treachery is ok, after FADE Procs, watching him play and fade taking soooo long to proc omg, that's the truth. Making Fortitude in Eth 878 lacquered plate i got. gg fade never procs

[@NotstarvinMarvin]

yeah lol just played couple games with it, it never procs on merc...

[@billywonka2469]

The bugged arkaine valor was not 1.07, it was 1.08

[@GGMentor]

Thank you

[@ckatech]

Treachery for Trav runs just doesn't work consistently enough quickly

[@GGMentor]

It does if you do something else first

[@ckatech]

@@GGMentor mainly referring to a gold find Barb relying on his Merc to get council kills for the gold. You aren't really going to run multiple things before hand, and the +life and +damage is not taken into account from fort. Sure 45 ias, but 200% enh damage is nothing to bat an eye at

[@GGMentor]

@@ckatech 200% Enhanced Damage is basically a Might Aura It's nice but It's not as much as you think. When your merc can attack much faster he can stay alive better from life steal. 90% of the time when the merc dies in trav it's because he isn't hitting anything, and is getting hit by hydras. Fort won't save his life from hydras either. Defense doesn't help VS hydras, +200% ED doesn't help VS hydras, Chilling Armor Doesn't help Vs Hydras. The only things on For that will help him in Trav is the +30 resists if he isn't already capped, and the 100 ish life from the based on clvl effect. "mainly referring to a gold find Barb relying on his Merc to get council kills for the gold." So Why Argue some extremely specific fringe case? Go Get yourself an Ethereal Tanner GoreRod Pike for the +Max Fire resistance up it twice and call it a day. Fort or Treach aren't gonna matter for combating hydra spam. Or give him eth upgraded Guardian Angel with a Kira's Guardianship.

[@JoeDanish]

Fucking love your vids man. Really upped my game!

[@GGMentor]

=}

[@ragingpower80]

Waiting for it to proc….. heck to the no thank you lol

[@michaelchase7561]

Why did you spell Treachery wrong in the thumbnail, but not in the video name?

[@GGMentor]

😂 fast fingers

[@FrenchFryKayak]

I just got a Lo and a Sur last night. :)

[@GGMentor]

Congrats man, good finds.

[@michelleg23]

Sometimes fade procs when i use a wp, not sure why.

[@jarrettptheog7949]

My best friend has etheral bugged Zod'd Valor it's so beautiful wish I could post a pic in comments haha

[@nerfherder5211]

Treachery is nowhere near as good as Fortitude. Fortitude keeps your merc alive in hell. Treachery does not. But I have 5 mercs with Treachery, and one fortitude I pass around if needed. So treachery is widely applicable but fortitude is better. Much more damage, much better survivability. The difference is survivability is actually staggering. It is not even close. My fortitude merc runs into travincal and is fine, my treachery merc dies before proccing fade. That is how big difference it is.

[@GGMentor]

I can see where you are coming from with this, but it's been my experience the gap between Fort and Treachery is far smaller then you would make it seem. Yes Procing fade is an issue, and for people who do extremely short duration games like kill pindle and trav and make a new one treach is not gonna win against fort. because you are giving no time for the fade to proc and stay up. But Treach when properly synergized with weapon and helmet can be imo more effective then fort, For people not running 30 second games.

[@cryptlol4736]

My merc definitely stays alive better with fortitude than treachery

[@Snuckster2]

I exclusively play Amazons I much prefer treachery for my shoot n scoot playstyle the 45ias makes a huge difference and allows a lot more leeway in gloves I keep it on my merc because it makes the reapers decrypify proc within seconds on everyone he hits

[@bugfeatures]

yes, it may not be perfect but its great for a non-rich bowazon

[@dsinemoi1mouton]

@@bugfeatures it's great for a blizz sorc too. (don't need infinity because most cold immune monsters can't be broken anyway). reaper + treachery + guillaume (35% crushing blow)

[@ManchmalGaming]

I like eth duriels on my merc.

[@nismoR32GTR]

I have many treachery as its so easy to make. Finally decided to make a fortitude because I keep seeing these arguments ......fortitude is 100x better. I rarely ever pot, doesn't matter where I am farming. 100% noticeable. Survivability is all I care about. Not sure why people care about merc damage, you should be doing the killing lol.

[@GGMentor]

Attack speed + life steal equals Merc survivability as well. Fade on treachery also increases survivability. They both have their pros and cons and require specific builds

[@dsinemoi1mouton]

again, it all depends on your activities and builds. To support a reaper's toll, treachery will make it proc decrepify more often, and with guillaume's face, crushing blow more often. On the survivability side, treachery is meant for long runs. If you clear a zone like travincal or pindleskin and get out, then fortitude is 100% better. But once treachery has procced, it's better or at least somewhat comparable. Fortitude is better to survive high physical damage bursts too (because of huge defense). Whereas treachery is better to survive swarms of enemies when paired with reaper's toll and holy freeze for exemple (mobs move slow mo, like matrix really so they can't do shit even extra fast extra strong cursed ...)

[@lbonvillain-wm4ds]

Fort or nothing. Treach for budget

[@Betweentwogames]

This video is kind of a mess.

[@GGMentor]

Because It's a live stream clip of me answering someones question. Not an actual video

[@jerrycipro4046]

Next time have your stuff ready to go bro. A lot of people arnt Going to want to wait while you check multiple characters for gear Than look up websites. Have the site open. Have the gear swapped to sane characters. Just a thought! Other than that. Vary informative

[@GGMentor]

This is a Stream clip Jerry, not a Produced video. This Was a Question asked during live stream that I did my best to answer on the fly. I figured it was worth of a clip and repost instead of making people watch an 8 hour live stream for it lol.

[@JoeDanish]

That's what the fast forward button is for if you don't like it! Some people complain because they like complaining.

[@GGMentor]

@@JoeDanish ​ I figured the (Stream Clip) was self explanatory in the title *shrug*