Dialogue with History Episode 13: Should Pakistan have been formed? Part 2: GupShup with Aftab Iqbal

Should Pakistan be formed? Aftab Iqbal says it’s the wrong question we are asking because the answer is irrelevant, we need to move past this question and do the best with what we have. Watch the previously unaired episode from the original host of Hasb e Haal, Khabarnaak, and Khabardar. This is also the return of Ayesha Noor Iqbal as host of the show.
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Episode 13 is Part 2 of a discussion on whether Pakistan should have been formed? Quaid-i-Azam is remembered for saying “What is this broken, moth-eaten Pakistan you have given me?” The realities were the other players in India were ruthless. Aftab Iqbal says we need to move past this question. He believes we have something that is better than nothing. Aftab Iqbal picks up the topic of the two-nation theory and explains this did not require a Pakistan, but it did lead to a Pakistan. They could have been together, but the fact is there were two very different people of different faiths. The two nations were created when Winston Churchill and Franklin D. Roosevelt allied with Josef Stalin. Russia showed its strength and scare the Brits and Americans. This fear of Russia and its influence led to them creating a world system where Russia could not be too strong. Sir Francis Tucker, Chief Commander of the Eastern Commander in December 1946 wrote in his memoir Two Years in India While Memory Serves in which he talks about class differences bit.ly/2lCi42E . This class warfare could lead to communism increasing across the world. They wanted to create Algeria, Iran, and India outside of communism. They were afraid that these Narendra Singh Sarila, “Shadow of the Great Game: The Untold Story of India’s Partition” amzn.to/2mIvtHJ . It shows the crucial link between the Indian partition and British fears about Russia gaining control of Central Asia. Thinking that Indian nationalists might ally the Soviet Union, the British settled for those willing to do so, using Muslim Pakistanis as a political tool in pursuit of their objectives. The British could not afford to leave a communist nation that could be influenced by Russia. Then in The nation that lost its soul: memoirs of a freedom fighter by Shaukat Hyat Khan he showed that Quaid-i-Azam once agreed to delay the formation of Pakistan when he tried to ally with India, but Patel would not agree. If Pakistan was not formed, Iqbal states that Muslims in India would be like Palestinians or Kashmiris. The problem with Pakistan is that our history is a hodgepodge. Aftab believes we can make some major advancement because Pakistan is a more viable state than India if we can accept our true history and move forward.
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[@khurramshahzad-yt7hp]

if we have teachers like Aftab iqbal .no one can stop us to become a best nation in that world.Allah ap ki zindgi main barkat day AFTAB IQBAL. YOU ARE JUST AMAZING SIR.

[@deepu99verma]

sir I'm your fan from India.i almost almost watch every episode for your programmes. details you give are. fantastic.hope you will keep it up your good work

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[@SajjadKhan-gs7gj]

Dear sir, I am following your Chanel and watching your every episodes I am 27 year old and first time I come to know in my life separation of Pakistan of from Hindustan in detail God bless you sir You are spreading knowledge to us young generation for our gaudiness Thank you,

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Start music is awesome

[@ParhoLikhoAgayBhado]

kamal ho gya aaj tooo.... mera dil hy is episode ko bar bar daikha jaye...

[@rajakamran4626]

Very helpful historical hidden truths i agree with u sir.

[@rajakamran4626]

sir please tell us about the last days of Qaid Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah and Khan Liaquat ALi khan disputes

[@aqbs1]

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[@پاکستانمیریجان-ذ9غ]

حق بات کرنے والے چند لوگ پاکستان میں باقی ہیں میری دعا ہیں آپ اور آپ کی فیملی یہ جہاد کرتی رہے ۔۔۔سدا خوش رہو جزاك الله خيرا

[@sadafzaidi7511]

Zaberdast

[@sufyanshabbir6576]

Assalam o Alaikum sir kyaa haal hai aap ka Sir mein saudia arabia mein rhta hoon mein aap ka show bohot like krta hoon or aap ka hr ek show dekhta hoon mein aap say bohot zyada inspire hoon ALLAH aap ko lambi lambi umer day aap ko ALLAH apnay hifz o imaan mein rakhay in sha ALLAH mein pakistan aaya to aap k show mein zaroor aana chahoon gaa agr aap nay yeh comment mera prha to mujhe bohot khushi ho gi mein nay aap say bohot kuch seekhaa mujhe apnay show mein aanay ka zaroor mokaa dena

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[@rajawasimandahar4163]

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[@AliSikandarSKorea]

la jawab Aftab iqbal sahab Allah pak ap ko or ap k ghr walon ko apny hifz v aman me rkhy mashaAllah

[@mobyinayet5383]

Very well explained Bhai Aftab. What we need is introspection - honest introspection.

[@ScientificInsan]

Very good show sir ji... we really need such kind of info facts.. keep it up

[@mubashirmehboob706]

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[@mohammadchoudry7382]

Great show. good luck with it.

[@marshadnadeem1986]

sir please es program ko jari rakhin aur hamary elm mein ezafa karty rahein. ayesha api ap ko salam Allah kary ap Aftab SB ki good jasheen babein

[@bilorani6167]

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[@AdnanAli-jq2xh]

congratulations sir your new Program GupShup with #Aftab Iqbal....! Inshallah This show willbe Popular show like your other Programs.

[@tanialvi]

Awesome Aftab Iqbal

[@0003081978]

Aftab Iqbal ji i am great admirer of your work.I really appreciate it. I view your programme khabardaar on youtube.Your programme provide cocktail of entertainment with knowledge.I regard you and hassan nisar among the best in the indian subcontinet (not only pakistan). Stay healthy.

[@israrisrar390]

I love you gup suap tem khabardar nice show aftab Iqbal all Pakistan sa bast show

[@waqarhussain5448]

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[@hamidmughal4460]

mashaAllah very positive

[@abbasghulam7259]

سر آفتاب اقبال صاحب میری زندگی کی خواہش ہے انشاءاللہ کہ آپ کو لیو دکھنے کی 💖💖💖💖

[@hammadkhan4870]

Thanks sir

[@VillageTV]

nice show!

[@ZafarIqbal-kx7bv]

Aftab Iqbal sahib zindabaad

[@mobyinayet5383]

Quote from Saleena Karim's "Secular Jinnah & Pakistan - What the nation does not know" ".....Q) Did Quaid-e-Azam want to create a secular Pakistan or a Pakistan based on Islamic principles? A) This is the big question. Mr. Jinnah certainly did not tire of talking about Islamic democracy and Islamic socialism. In my book I showed that there are literally hundreds of references to Islamic terminology and principles in Mr. Jinnah’s speeches. Additionally, whilst he stressed the absolute equality of non-Muslim citizens in Pakistan, he never once used the word ‘secular’ to describe the country. There is also some evidence lying around which shows that there were non-Muslims who properly understood Mr. Jinnah’s view of Islam, if you know where to look. These facts should really speak for themselves. People arguing for ‘secular Jinnah’ tend to get upset by this argument because they assume that I, or whoever else, is trying to imply that the Quaid was pro-theocracy. They think for instance that we support a class distinction between religious minorities and majorities, or that we advocate the idea of legislation either being written or authorised by ulema. Yet, as every sensible Muslim and especially Pakistani Muslim knows, a state truly guided by Islamic principles is as far removed from theocracy as is an ideal secular state (I might add that there is not one example of either of these states in existence today). The Quaid himself made this point about theocracy versus Islam, which again I showed in my book. The few people who do support such ideas - taken, unfortunately, from fundamentalist literature, rather than the Quran - usually belong to parties that historically were opposed to Partition and Pakistan. So why give their views special attention, and why assume that every ‘non-secularist’ agrees with them...?

[@maliksuleman7115]

lovely

[@logansunny6853]

HE IS A GREAT INTELLECTUAL I WISH SOME DAY HE WILL COME TO INDIA

[@zaybali2017]

plz do a top ten best rulers and administrators video.

[@MaisamTamar]

So it was all to block communism, interesting perspective. Carry on your good work. There will haters ignore them.

[@AftabIqbalOfficial]

Thank you Maisam! We will!

[@eternalindian6714]

There is no doubt Pakistan is a reality.But Identity crisis and confused state of Pakistan bound to continue for long as it's foundation was based on hatred and suspicion against India and Hindus despite the fact that more Muslims live in India than Pakistan.I am not blaming Jinnah alone as Congress leadership of that period was equally guilty but one thing we need to admit that Congress did not play the exclusive politics like Muslim league.My contention is that when Hindus and Muslims lived peacefully together for more than thousand years the partition was useless.Foreign Islamic invaders and rulers did destroy too many Hindu temples but in social or public life Hindu and Muslims lived like blood brothers,yes i consciously use the term blood brothers because almost all the Muslims of this subcontinent are the sons and daughters of this soil except some ruling communities. Mughals despite having some gruesome engagement with Hindus and Sikhs, contributed immensely towards culture and spirit of this sub-continent.Was there any significant communal riot or violence in any part of this sub-continent before direct action day(by Muslim league)?The answer is no.If it was like that Hindus would not have been able to live peacefully in Muslim majority provinces in western and eastern part of this sub-continent.What i mean to say Islam became more Indian than Arabic.India never faced any Shia -Sunni conflict like middle east.With some exceptions there was no matrimonial relationship between Hindus and Muslims but that did not prevent them to become good neighbors.The another problem Pakistan is facing is that the concept of Jihad which is mostly used against non-Muslim population/nation and that is the most dangerous form of supremacist ideology which can only be compared to Nazism.As far as i know Jinnah he was moderate,modern,not so religious,liberal Muslim.Pakistan has thrown him in the water of Indus and Arabian sea. But we can get out of it by drawing inspiration from Europe which has become united instead of having brutal and bloody rivalry among the European powers like -Britishers,French,Germans,Danes and Spanish.If they can unite after fighting two world wars then why can't we?

[@hayderimran7]

haha no one gives a fuck what you think

[@izharsadiq6468]

nice

[@AftabIqbalOfficial]

Thank you, Izhar for your support. Please share with your friends and subscribe to our channel!

[@izharsadiq6468]

Well come

[@ypervaiz]

Please discuss importance & origin of 1857 war of Independence and role of forgotten heros of freedom movement like Bhagat Singh.

[@AfatQiamat]

but on the " Buffer Zone " theory .. I completely agree .. Pakistan is a Buffer , both physical as well as Ideological ...and this has been proved , especially during the Russian Invasion of Afghanistan

[@QasimAli-im3jh]

sir plz bno umia or bno Abbas ki history par bi kbi discussion krian its a very important for all of us....

[@arxlan6]

i didn't get what's the proper name of Francis Tuker's book...Please tell me here. Thanks!!

[@y2raza]

Arxlan Tariq sometimes books are published with different names, here it is > While Memory Serves www.amazon.com/dp/B0000CHQT4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_0SbUybZ7A6ZVN

[@arxlan6]

That's what i was confirming. Thanks!!

[@Chauderymjameeljutt]

dear sir makhmai makholiat ka Roz episode kia karein thanks

[@MrYaatri]

So British made Pakistan possible, not Jinnah. Jinnah's vision outlined in his August 11, 1947 speech was snuffed. Perhaps Mr Jinnah did not anticipate the force of those who wanted to create an Islamic state.

[@haroonyaqub9116]

we have no direction where we are heading

[@zaybali2017]

M. Haroon instead of looking for one, lets make one.

[@lmkhatwani7176]

5.0 Gwadar was initially under Oman government.They gave away Gwadar much later (most probably during Ayyub regime) to Pakistan.

[@azaazmalik9582]

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[@AftabIqbalOfficial]

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[@azaazmalik9582]

Thanks Sir AP Free ho k mail inbox chek kr laina meny Email send kr di hy

[@faraz3599]

Sir your views on Gilgit Baltistan conflict and its future.

[@AdamKhan-hp8ow]

💓💚🌷🌹🌸🍀

[@vikkimehrotra851]

Two nation theory is a farcical concept. Pakistan has to accept this notion if She really wants to move ahead. As long as India remain 'Hindu India' and Kashmir 'Muslim Kashmir', things will not going to change. Rise above religion to make your country great.

[@amitabhavajrapani2898]

Sir enlighten about Hindu ancestry of Pakistanis. Also shed some light on Ashoka's history

[@abrar380]

Sir kindly discuss the recent deal between PIA and Boeing through which PIA will get 8 newB787 dreamliners in the course of next few years. Do you think its a good deal and wether or not it will improve PIA? Thx

[@arslankhan3660]

sir islamic heros and mughal's ki history b discuss krein.

[@ypervaiz]

Aftab sb, Do you think Pakistan's Constitution is perfect? Should it needs to be refined? If yes what changes would you recommend for the betterment of Pakistan? Thank you

[@israrisrar390]

I'm Israrabuzar he from Iraq sa

[@zaybali2017]

can you explain about the night Valadbai patel and nehru changed ghandi's mind about the partition overnight and what maulana abul kalam azaad went through.

[@FAMCast]

listening this prog 3rd time.. really difficult to understand or kind of diff to digest :)

[@rananasir1728]

sir ma chata hw k apka program urdu ma ho ap akksar mushkil English words istimal krty ha jis sy ma haat o imkaan sai nai samj pata

[@rohitigc]

I hate pak intellectuals justifying MA Jinnah's apparent contradiction in this own thought. Not that they are not aware of it it's just that there aren't many buyers for it in Pakistan. Who wants to be called an Indian Agent?

[@kamrantabash2633]

sir babo rana ki awaz m ak gana sona dy bil lagiya tha bil lagi k ly

[@mazharsaleem3867]

History of Mughal Empire plzz?

[@AftabIqbalOfficial]

Thanks Mazhar, its coming, so stay tuned!

[@kashif1455]

sir ap khty hy k PM Nawaz sharif ne koi Rohani ghalti ki hy sir ap us k bary me kb discuss kry gy?

[@synaabab9170]

Sir I want to know about mughal empire pls

[@waleedsabir4037]

sir allama asad k sath jo hua kabi uspe b discussion karen.

[@IrfanKhan-resistance]

Sir ap confuse krhe hen, though, I am historian myself apne cheezon ko bht suspicious krdya hae. 11 august ke bad 14 august ki taqreer bhe ki thi aur logo ne sirf shuru ke points ko highlight kya hae to justify pakistan to be a secular state. taqreer ko pora aur context ke sath nae dekhaya aur us waqt minorites ki protection hot debate thi pakistan mein. apne context se hat kr baat ki aur yeh bht galat baat thi apne aik azeem insan ke kirdar aur uskay aqaed ko mashkook sabit krnay ki koshish ki hae. apne sahy resources ko baro e kar nae laya hae sub continent ki history aik zabardast history hae aur quaid e azam aik darwesh wali thy. ap justice muneer jaisay logo ki books na parha kren. quaid e azam ki taqreer bilkul wazay thi jis ko adha dikhaya aur bataya gya tha. quaid aik Islami falahi riyasat banana chahty thy. state bank ke iftitah mein jo baaten unho ne kahi woh bilkul wazay krti hen unke aqayad iske ilawa bhe hazar baar woh quran aur sunnat ki baat kr chuky hen apni taqreeron mein. is se bari ziyadti nae hae jo apne quaid ke sth yeh video bana kr kardi hae. apki knowledge to the subject bht weak hae aur phir bhe apne aik gumrah kun baat krdi hae.

[@virendrasharms1163]

Pakistani, channels give much more balanced view, then Indian channels.

[@NaeemAkramAndroidiOSApp]

how is young generation supposed to behave in the context of these facts? what is the point on which we can stay together?

[@bilalhussainsoomro8070]

Sir phly tu hum jismani, mali ghulam thy na ab tu Hum Azadi k bad Zehni Ghulam Ban Gaey Hn.. Q keh azadi k bad bhi hum unhin classes k Nizam ko face kar rahy hn jin ka Qala Qama karny k liye azadi hasil ki gai thi keh Ghareeb bhi sukh ka sans ly saky... hopefully jo log ye programme daikhin gy agar wo jially bhi hn gy kisi siyasi party k Insha ALLAH un mn Sha'oor zaroor jagy ga. Mn tu itna kahon ga es programme k mutaliq keh (Aagahi aur Sha'oor ki taraf aik aur Qadam ain hamary sath chalin).

[@AfatQiamat]

..and Great Game is still unfolding ... the events down south [ emergence of an Ethnic party in the 80's was WRT to Hong Kong's status of 1997 ...and is being shelved for the time being ... also because .... well leave it .. it will be too painful

[@AftabIqbalOfficial]

Interesting comments as always Afat. Please continue to engagein the dialogue.

[@touseefashraf1]

hamy tou bataya gya k Pakistan ko ak langri state banaya taka ya cl na saky. mazbut riayasit tou nhe bni.

[@khawer122]

Salam sir aftab..I didn't understand properly.can u explain clearly please . my mind is bit like a Dhaggha lol..Pakistan "pakistan ka matlb kia Lailaha il Allah" ka nary pa banna tha??

[@waqassshafiq6126]

sir jamhooriat ko Islam k point of view se discuss kren

[@abrar380]

World war 2 plz

[@AftabIqbalOfficial]

We'll see, perhaps we will come to that Abrar. Thanks for the comment and please subscribe and share our videos.

[@abrar380]

Already did sir. Thx for replying and keep up the good work.

[@azaazmalik9582]

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[@s.k.s.6270]

Pr is se Britishers ko kia faida hua? In ki state ko to koi hattra nhi tha! 😲😲

[@SalmanSiddique]

An analysis based on true facts but it looks like that the speaker is either trying to save himself against the resentment of military or radicalized public or even knowing everything he is a blind believer who deliberately does not want to go against those beliefs he acquired over the years in an isolated society where there is a great deficiency of critical thinking.

[@AfatQiamat]

I disgree with this TNT explanation of yours Sir, with respect ...it was a " Political Demand " ...not reality the very FACT that a Nation can follow many religions and a Religion can be followed by many Nations ... simply makes that theory a "Constructed Fallacy " ... Period

[@pubgnoobplayers4647]

Agar aaj Pakistan nahi hota to hum musalman hinduo ke gulaam ban karreh Jate angrezoo ke baad

[@AdamKhan-hp8ow]

sir pakistan great

[@mobyinayet5383]

Please search KZbin for Prof Ram Puniyani a Hindu Professor who dares to speak his mind about Hindu Muslim historical narratives.

[@SunilKedar-z3g]

Indian Muslim are which nation

[@sufyanarif2543]

Ap ki batien secular Pakistan ki taraf eshara kerti hein! Ik secular or religious state ka farak kis Taran inn states per asar Salya hai?

[@mubasherhussainsaleemi600]

aftab sb app kia batana cha rahay ho.....for your kind information..Allaha be mojood hai..not only us r UK....and isalam is belong to Allaha..it's not mater kay qaied azam kia chahtay thay..he did his job very well. but he is gone....Allaha mojood hai..as.a muslim we should try for Islamic system in pakistan

[@AdamKhan-hp8ow]

she's smaly

[@rehanhaider7113]

Baqi sab baten theek hon gi aftab bhai female apk samny bethi hai apk shoes k talwey uski tarf han Kindly bythny k adab seekh len

[@ahmedtariq4204]

Ayesha is Aftab’s daughter

[@King-db7dn]

yeah admi be adha pagal ho gyea hai jish ko thudi shuharat multi hain vo har cheez main mou marna suroo kar dyeta hain,phir khud ko sub sye bada,aur phir khud ko pagamber bana lyta hai.ish ko apni ukat main rehana chahyein.

[@ijlal007]

bhai jahalat ki bu AA rahi hai..... padha likha karo...

[@no1farmingwala]

isko to apne par garoor h jo apne aap ko itahaskar khod kahta aandho me kana raja vo baat tale elm to log banate h

[@Ammarjp]

google sy script bna k awam ko bewakof bnata hy.

[@Ammarjp]

yai admi hud to pagal hy or awam to sali phly he pagal hy yai admi gharor mey agaya hy buhat jalad iss ka kam tamam ho jae ga mey yaha bus iss ki thukai k liay hn.

[@shajarahmed1341]

Malikshaheryar Awan who are you. I'm sure nobody knows you in your street and you talking about aftab iqbal.

[@ikrambutt2314]

Malikshaheryar Awan pagal log har jagah hoty hain jaisa k tm sheryar

[@sushilchandel1563]

malik Pakistani chutiya