Just How Strong Is Queen Dizzy?

[@hypedrifter1715]

"Twitter told me Dizzy was bad but this time they were right."

[@Diaphone]

😭

[@Nasurek1]

"Is Dizzy really as bad as they say? I mean sure; she has bad round-start, sucks on defence, her zoning moves mostly have a slow start up but-" "DIZZY GIVES HER OPPONENT FULL METER WHEN SHE USES ONE OF HER CORE MECHANICS" "Oh"

[@milos1967]

Dizzy may not be good, but I'm still ride or die for her. I think this is gonna definitively be my main for strive going forward, she's just so much more interesting than every other character

[@MrAllBlack015]

Nah, you'll change your tune when Unika and/or Lucy come out.

[@milos1967]

@@MrAllBlack015 Idk maybe. But I really like dizzy rn, so I'm sticking with her for the time being.

[@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034]

Tbf they called Happy Chaos ass for an entire month before people found how broken he truly was.

[@wompwomp1892]

i’m not sure about more interesting than every other character but pop off king/queen

[@leasek]

​@@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034 but dizzy is not that complicated as happy chaos

[@blackmailed1072]

My only gripe with maining Dizzy is the Potemkin MU. Playing Testament for two years and having to deal with the horrible Pot MU to swapping to a character with arguably an even worse MU into Potemkin is my definition of insanity.

[@ragnarok67]

Dizzy has multi hitting normals, so Pot can’t armor his way into your face as long as you aren’t spamming projectiles.

[@blackmailed1072]

@@ragnarok67 You say that like it makes the match-up any easier. It does not.

[@Nobody-cd1he]

just genuinely asking since i don't play dizzy, what about it is awful fullscreen slide head?

[@narutofandj]

@@Nobody-cd1he flick works on most thing and very big damage when he gets in.

[@blackmailed1072]

@@Nobody-cd1he This would be a long rant, and I don't wanna write paragrahps but to summarize: Potemkin has multiple means to close the gap between him and Dizzy, meanwhile Dizzy struggles to keep him in her preferred ranges. A lot of her offensive or block pressure becomes really scary to do against Potemkin because of her lack of multi-hitting specials to cancel into (i.e., Fire Dagger can be Bustered). She struggles immensely with shield super. She can't anti-air Potemkin, and air-to-air against Potemkin often results in an unfavorable trade. Lack of defensive options on Dizzy's side. Her main multi-hitting normals are pretty slow. She almost never lands her big normals on Potemkin that result in large damage, so it's a game of slowly decreasing his HP and playing ultra patiently, meanwhile the Potemkin only has to hit you twice before he can just sit back and force you to overcommit with Slide Head, Flick, or Shield Super.

[@kombatjenning]

Diaphone, I have STRESSED about Dizzy's hit-interaction inconsistencies between some of her gatling strings and normals, especially her 5H/ standing heavy slash so much and I'm so glad you finally pointed this out!! 🙏🙏🙏

[@takitacco1041]

To me she’s good but she just feels incomplete. In her character starter guide they described using her strong specials to set up wings of light as a win condition. However the win condition, WoL happens to be really bad more often than not. So now she’s left without her intended win condition. Her saving grace are her strong specials and mix up but again she’s left feeling incomplete. IMO at least

[@Lurponk]

Yeah WoL is only a situational ToD tool lol

[@Crimson132]

i personally think wol should be full screen. They could nerf it’s duration or start up but i think the move should be about forcing your opponent to engage and right now if you have it set while zoning it doesn’t do anything. Alternatively they could buff her midrange game or jump-ins

[@takitacco1041]

@@Crimson132I think you’re pretty spot on with that. I also think it’s kinda weird that you can lose WoL on throw tec and yellow RC sometimes. I think it needs to be adjusted

[@Crimson132]

yrc i understand as you can bait them and wol will make people obvious with yrc but grab tech is stupid at least not on the opponents grabs

[@ledgy69]

It's the nature of strive. Neutering characters movelist, movement, interactions, mechanics of the game has just made everything so tame. Get your strive buddy into XRD. You'll never look back

[@ocean2170]

My name is literally Dizzy and I'm just glad she's in the game and looking beautiful as always ^^ ❤

[@StubenhockerElite]

K bro

[@PonManache]

Ryougi shiki will be added to guilty gear diaphone, heed my words.

[@MizzyMaine1004]

If that happens, I'll drop all other fighting games and main her IMMEDIATELY 😎

[@Dark-qg4kb]

Bro this is so out of left field and at the same time I really want this now. Will abandon every other fighter I'm playing including Mbaacc and go win evo with her EDIT : Lmao guy just above made same-ish comment than me. I'm sorry this was not on purpose 🥲

[@MizzyMaine1004]

@Dark-qg4kb you good bro. Great minds think alike 🤙🏿

[@Diaphone]

Spoilers in the comment section smh

[@EzKay_PX]

Bro C ryougi already feels like a strive character lowkey thats actually genious LMAO

[@GeneralBrwni]

Dizzy feels like a character that has a handful of super clear weaknesses and just fixing a couple of them would make her pretty solid My two would be fix her giving the opponent resources from ice combos and extend the hitbox of j.S and j.H downwards, having non-ass air normals in particular would be huge for helping her keep people out and do better mixups with airdash back jump attacks

[@barrybeakdriver]

I wish her ice spike had a bigger vertical hitbox too. I cant even count the amount of times spike LOOKS like it clipped someone in the air only for it to whiff and then I die cus that move takes forever to recover

[@lintecassidy206]

She really feels like her tools just don't quite click, it's like when you're cooking food and the taste is sort of flat because there's one flavor profile you're missing to make everything come together. I think if they got rid of the insane resource scaling on ice spike and maybe adjusted neutral to give her better ways to discourage people from just running straight at you, so she was like a red light green light zoner--which sort of seems to be the direction she's leaning--and then made wings of light a factor to pack on the pressure with her blockstrings, she'd feel like she's ready to compete with what everyone else is cooking with this season. She's not quite there yet. She's pretty cool though. I like her.

[@LoneRatatouille]

Fun fact dizzy coats the ice she puts down with Baby oil to make it extra slipery

[@moistwindow6094]

I thought something smelled familiar

[@NeoYanneyDrawing]

They call her P. Dizzy for a reason

[@Diaphone]

That’s where all those drums of baby oil went 🤔

[@captainnavigator6534]

So that's why Faust doesn't have the oil drum item, dizzy stole it...

[@luckii_shots]

Queen Diddy

[@chaselewis5372]

Pretty much what i've been saying. The ice meter gain thing was something i was pointing people out day 1 that was obviously realllly bad. Honestly think she could make it to mid tier if they changed the ice meter gain stuff, made fS not terrible, and gave her S slash from 2P. More stuff I'd like for making her like how she historically has played (fish consumes the hit box and counts as a whiff), but maybe that's too much. Historically it hasn't been and it feels REALLY weird fish isn't a whiff in this version like it was in literally every other guilty gear.

[@alexandermartinezpolanco4539]

For j5D, the recovery is so low that you can air dash behind it to push safely, and there's some setups where it even gives you mix. Never seen anyone talk about it tho

[@Sourballen]

What are the setups ??

[@alexandermartinezpolanco4539]

I'm not home rn, so I can't check every one, but 2 I can tell you are 1. After 2d kd, you can jump over them and use j5d. It'll give you a left/ right mix with jK depending on when you used j5d, and you also keep your airdash. 2. I believe you can get a high low with grab (I think only in the corner, idk) where you jump and hit jK on their wake up, then use j5D. The low recovery allows you to either hit another jK for an over head, or to press jS/H to land cancel it, and go for a 2k I think these two routes are interchangeable, but I don't remember

[@ItsukiKuroPrisuner12K96]

Honestly if they fixed the ice tension gain and made her jS and jH functional i think she'd be fine. Not amazing, but fine. I'll still play her though because ive been a Dizzy main since XX lol.

[@samsclubhouse]

I actually really like j.h just for the huge counter hit reward.

[@glad16252]

My biggest problem with Dizzy is how much of her kit is tied to Heavy Slash 236H, 214H, 22H, 6H, and 632146H There have been a lot of times where I am going for I Used This to Catch Fish and then und up doing 6H because I'm bad. Or just sitting there trying to do the super and doing.. 6H again or even 22H because idk how in all honesty Wings of light should be 22P Gamma Ray maybe should be 632146K I'd be happy then. I wouldn't be fat fingering the wrong move because I'm bad lol

[@rookbranwen8047]

Needing time or space to set up and having bad defense have always been Dizzy's main weaknesses, and I am not surprised that she doesn't have any good jump in buttons after they took them away from her in Xrd (her j2S and jH in +R are insane.) I know ice spike is good but that isn't justification for taking away everything else. Seriously what happened to her old 2S, I was 100% sure at least that would stay. Just give me back fish armor and I'll be satisfied.

[@Keishhpeishh]

Never skip a dia video. Question though, is that frame bar in game or is that a mod? I feel that will help a lot tightening up options in these match ups

[@takitacco1041]

That ending with elphelt had me crying 🤣

[@Jayceiscool]

loving the latest vids thanks!

[@legodawg2001]

I think Dizzy has some best in class offense and even conversions, but so much of her feels extremely constrained. My main issues with her are 1. Terrible ways to interact with aerial opponents 2. Almost all her heavy buttons serve the exact same role meaning that they’re extremely redundant (even in frame data) 3. She has strong conversions, but her ability to convert off of projectiles is very difficult (outside of spike ofc). K Fish especially is kinda frustrating to work with 4. Bad movement. She has a the same bad backdash data as Baiken and Asuka, her aerial game is very poor and her buttons don’t support it well. She accelerates fast, but otherwise it feels like she doesn’t really cover a lot of space in any direction super quickly unless she is forward dashing on the ground. Micro spacing feels very annoying sometimes 5. System mechanics hate her! (Freeze state scaling) There’s also some weird things, like her throw oki situation feels really messy (albeit strong) like they made it knockback too far Also some of her air hits like jK will link into cS but won’t link into 2H for some reason, which isn’t a problem really with 6H but it feels REALLY bad

[@jordhan]

The thing about Strive is each character gameplay design is so unique it doesn't matter much of how strong it is, except for competitive, with enough gimmicks you can still kick people ass.

[@yearslate9349]

I don't know how long those visual examples in that blue "training room" took to make, but they're EXTREMELY good.

[@ThePoodle]

that is a mod

[@beybladetunada5697]

been playing dizzy since release, fully agree with the video

[@wispyone3702]

I have played a lot of low tiers in this game who got buffed later, but this time I really tried to cope with Dizzy, and she is better than most of them... but I was simply gapping against people who didn't know how to play against her. After week 2 it's just been miserable especially with her current spread of MU's. My bad for coping... Tom Brady, take me to Valhalla...

[@crookedrivercommons]

What the heck is my beloved De Blob music doing in my fighting game video??

[@Ashyn_]

Its funny that all these issues are the same ones Testament had when they released but almost no one cared but now cause its Dizzy everyone is bringing attention to it 🤣

[@badenlily]

You know it's serious when the Elphelt theme music kicks in

[@lucas_lipp]

I'm bad at the game, so I can't say how good she is, but I think Dizzy is the character I have the most fun playing. I somehow just vibe with her gameplay, and she's also just one of the cutest characters in the game. I'm really happy with her, but man do I wish her 6P reached higher. That does not feel like an anti air

[@notnotricharmander]

Any character that thrives off the situations they can put the opponent in is going to be underrated by the community, because all they understand are button good move bad etc

[@Kuroig53]

I love how ya went "man, I will show these zato downplayers he has better round starts" then found out his round starts against Dizzy are also not great lmao

[@CarltonBank]

Where did you get the updated frame data viewer?

[@esnuwin4177]

She's paying for her crimes as +R Dizzy now. Xrd Dizzy was weak to start but had some good QoL buffs to be a pretty strong character by the end so there is hope

[@gwen9939]

"My fellow low-tier warriors". Meanwhile on Diaphone Highlights: "Hotashi helps me pick a character by testing which one is the most effective with the least amount of work"

[@fuddledfalcon8215]

anyone have a link to that sub zero vid?

[@BlueLily342]

I really like dizzy but i might switch back to elphelt until she gets some buffs :p idrk if it matters that much tho since im a floor 8 anyways

[@DShy96]

Day one Dizzy here: you're absolutely not wrong. But I'll be damned if I didn't say I still love her similar to Elp and she was also low tier

[@aganaom1712]

i don't think she's top 5 but she's easy to learn and very flexible with how you can play her she feels ok for the most part but i wouldn't take her as a primary she does cover some matchups that i don't like playing with sol which is very nice tho

[@CosmicRPG]

Queen Dizzy inclusive he is bad, i gonna stay for her for Character Loyalty.

[@WavyKiing]

If they could give her a reliable jump-in button, I think she’d be a solid mid tier

[@nachobear5100]

Bedman? was broken on a character functionality level, dizzy is broken on a system level. Feels bad knowing that dizzy won't be fixed until like when venom is released or end of season 4. Should could definitely use an emergency patch.

[@mrpinguimninja]

"Arcsys, please do something, it's been more than a year that Zato is the worst character in the game, we can't stand it anymore" Arcsys: "I'm on it" I'm still waiting for a character as cool and interesting as venom to come to strive (hopefully venom himself). With arcsys consistentky treating hc and zato like shit, i don't feel like investing time in them just to be screwed over next patch

[@SharpLCDTV]

treating HC like shit?? LMFAOOOOO

[@ThePoodle]

lol, lmao even.

[@vatekanore3756]

"Remember when people thought Slayer was bad" No??

[@zenmars8945]

I just can't get over the fact that they took away her double air dash from the old games. It just doesn't look or even feel like I'm fighting Dizzy anymore when I'm Pot.

[@eebbaa5560]

they took away everything from everyone in this game

[@beenis08]

Dizzy is really good. Elephelt is a warcrime

[@davidtiyana8144]

How does he have frame data?

[@yotamedri1219]

what the name of the clip at the start?

[@qspec2002]

Her strengths are comparable to a bunch of other characters without the associated weaknesses. For example, her corner pressure really that much stronger than Johnny's or Sol's or Goldlewis'? Do they pay the same price?

[@finallyanime]

why they just let chestnuts loop like that...arcsys dont know WTF they're doing

[@ThePoodle]

no that's by design I don't doubt it

[@yrocytod]

What's the song at 17:02?

[@Dizzy205]

literally the elphelt theme "Extras"

[@breadaholic6445]

Who the hell said slayer was mid tier on release?

[@Calhasnopals]

Dizzy definitely feels like she got kneecapped at some point prior to her launch. I refuse to believe this character went through primary testing with that 6P and no one said anything about it

[@bofaybaykweh]

Can we talk about how ungodly long her super animation is and why it goes into animation on block? Or did the newest patch change that?

[@ThePoodle]

because it requires 100 meter

[@Itsjfell]

Can someone tell me why the combo counter would turn blue for any reason?

[@ThePoodle]

it means the opponent could have blocked at some point

[@mousaalbluwi1488]

Chat how did he put the frame bar? And can I put it on Playstation?

[@P0PP4R1]

It's a mod on the PC version, so not available on Playstation.

[@MDN_Moon]

What’s that stage at 1:00

[@clebinho5399]

GTA 6

[@minty1059]

That's a modded stage I'm pretty sure

[@m0002856]

Okay wait why does Michael Sword give them infinite burst meter back? ._. Edit: oh, it’s ice that does that? Weird.

[@hammerfallsokk]

Rub Rubaduba yayeyeeey

[@1SecondToLight]

Now I am scared how they gonna massacre Venom -_ -

[@saltiney8578]

as Baiken I have like never beaten even a half decent dizzy, even a dizzy like 3 floors below me in tower can beat my ass in the park its impossible.

[@ThePoodle]

tier list placement doesn't matter outside of tournaments.

[@krissrock]

"the opponent is not gonna have a good time in the corner" ... but you failed to talk about how freakin easy it is for her to push/put ppl in the corner oH or oB!! her 2D is absolutely busted! it's almost half screen distance! her round start options are to knock you away so she can zone you. dizzy is good.

[@JackKahunaLagunaFGC]

Zato also has worse jab confirms lol surprised nobody mentioned that

[@IgnisNPignis]

Do you play on controller?

[@icy2275]

as an ABA main she is beyond a 0-10 matchup if dizzy gets buffed even once theres no reality where i win a set against a competent player

[@proph6022]

thats a skill gap brother

[@icy2275]

@@proph6022 it rlly isnt all her pokes go further, are quicker, corner spam is brutal, and her ice counters so bad if u try to active JR from afar, and then the ice floor itself negates most of Aba's speed and her rekka combos. its just bad

[@argus5597]

@@icy2275 Ice spike isn't full range and it's -12 on block or even more negative on ice floor cast. You can take a chance and transform then but vary from time to time so the dizzy has to take risk with either going in or doing ice floor. You can superjump most of her shit her AA is horrible unless that 1 fish is out. Also pretty sure ABAs gameplan against zoners is to literally gamble since your reward will be higher than theirs.

[@fightedmealready2692]

When the hell did anyone ever consider Happy Chaos mid tier?

[@NickJJU]

The first few weeks he was out

[@Pejinkajink]

Ah, Tom Brady. What a man

[@jinoku2000]

Just need them to fix her air normals.

[@michael13849]

Guilty gear strive be like "lets release a dlc character thats is total ass then buff them to top tier a year later"

[@TaffyZG]

guys why is the good shorter than the bad?

[@falion609]

And yet she is canonically the strongest 😂

[@Ri4CH]

Got carried by Extras OST 😀

[@Chocolatebeeef]

“Is she bottom 1 idk..”

[@notlunaticdancer4393]

Nerf Zato

[@ReneGade405]

7 months it seems the aba guide is never coming out the well has seemed to run dry and the people have lost hope

[@hypersonic3019]

The major thing is that she's technically not dizzy. She doesn't really have all the things that made dizzy well dizzy. In my eyes, this version of dizzy has gotten hit with the same thing that Ram and jack-o did just not to that degree. She's not weak or low tier, but she definitely struggles against 99% of the cast, especially the rush down and zoners of the game. If they kept dizzy very close to her rev 2 counterpart, then she would be way better off, especially since Venom will essentially do what new dizzy does but way better. Remember that damn near everything this version of dizzy but its way better imo and i dont even like venom.

[@UltraThroatKick]

They are going to change Venom too

[@hypersonic3019]

@UltraThroatKick, that's true but highly unlikely. Removing anything important to his kit will be disastrous. I view venom's kit like jenga there's only a few things that aren't important that they can remove or place differently but if they remove an important thing then the character comes crashing down and being unrecognizable.

[@UltraThroatKick]

​@@hypersonic3019 They will either make an extremely shallow version of Venom or give him a complete rework. Just look at the rest of the roster

[@hypersonic3019]

@UltraThroatKick that's kinda true. Some characters lost alot and some lost little to none. With venom, it would be stupid for them to change him alot since he has bits and pieces that if removed he comes crashing down and atp you can't call him venom. We will see what will happen though. From a logical standpoint they shouldn't remove 99% of his things but as usual they choose simplicity over the right thing. Mind you that I don't like venom but I can respect who he is a character and the amount of skill needed to play him. I don't want them to keep stripping their identities away for the sake of simplicity.

[@birdmanoo0]

At least Dizzy kept some moves from her past. I'm an old Test fan...

[@smithbabies7886]

Dizzy has one of best (arguably second best behind faust with good rng) setplay and pressure tools in the game. Other than that, you're kinda fucked.

[@Zetra7]

OD clip at the beginning. You're carried for playing Elphelt btw

[@Za_Phantom]

not very

[@glaba24]

If not good then why pretty???

[@Venom-uv5fw]

I can already smell the downplay

[@namiotp]

“the downplay”

[@Crimson132]

the downplay of a character with one of the most disjointed kits this game has seen and i don’t mean hitbox.

[@EvasionSnake]

"You remember when people thought SLAYER was mid-tier?" I don't think there was ever a point that the community at large were convinced he was mid tier. Not with how fast he was becoming a tower demon.

[@zhenyaloginov]

There was. Like first 2-3 weeks when pros said, he is not consistent enough. I don't think people ever said he is top tier during his first month. And I don't mean regular scrub whining

[@MarkoLomovic]

@@zhenyaloginov cap, people were winning and placing high days after slayer released.

[@zhenyaloginov]

@MarkoLomovic I'm talking about what I've heard. Slayer also won no big offlines in his first days

[@MarkoLomovic]

@@zhenyaloginov Not major but he was doing incredibly well right out of the gate. What we knew when he came is that he two touches you , has tons of HP and can mix your shit up in addition to just skipping neutral. Just on face of it alone it was hard to say that he was low tier.

[@zhenyaloginov]

@MarkoLomovic I don't think this was about him being low. Just saying, pros didn't rated him top tier right from the very beginning. They were very careful

[@barrymaslow8441]

That blue training stage is ASS

[@gosugosu1280]

Dizzy is overpowered. I play Sol and she just seems OP to me.

[@argus5597]

Stop skipping neutral.

[@Polengue]

@@argus5597 they're a sol player, do you really think they will ever learn about neutral?