DID ADAM DESERVE TO DIE?! - A Hazbin Hotel Season 1 Theory and Analysis!

[@strawberryhellcat4738]

If Adam returned as a sinner, I would be on the edge of my seat waiting to see Lute's reaction when she found out.

[@coda6702]

i just want to see Adam's breaking point when he will try to communicate to heaven to go back but instead get ignored like in Helluva Boss in the end of the 4th episode with that deer girl

[@ethankennan212]

I’d love to imagine: Lute: “They turned you into THIS?! A Sinner?!” Adam: “I know, right? It ****ing sucks!” Lute: “But don’t worry Adam…” Lute unsheathes her spear. Adam: “Wait, what’s with the spear?” Lute: “…Your suffering will be over soon.” Adam: “Wait, Lute? What are you doing?! LUTE! STOP!” A few scenes later after he escapes… Angel Dust: “Ha! How’s your own medicine taste, *****?!” Adam: “Shut the ****** up.”

[@desadograisedrobot515]

Meanwhile Charlie: OH NO! Someone get the first aid kit! Vaggie: You can't 'heal' from Angelic weapons... Husk: Welp it seems we will have to cut the dick off. Adam: Why did that spear only hit that..? Alastor: Nifty! Come over here. Adam: You petty bitch...@@ethankennan212

[@davidspearim5552]

He wouldn't return as a sinner. He doesn't know what he's doing is wrong.

[@shadowhound5113]

@@davidspearim5552 that doesn’t make any sense. If you break laws you go to jail.

[@SavouryGalette]

I still think it's hilarious that _Adam_ told Lute to chill the fuck out. That's how you know you screwed up, when Adam's the one telling you to calm down.

[@Marauxias]

There is a high chance that Lute is the more unhinged of the duo. Part of why their dynamic was so interesting is that they kept each other in check. Now Lute is alone, in angst and out for blood...

[@Qwer-teaBinch]

With how Adam is pretty lazy and uncreative, I doubt the extermination was even his idea. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the unforgivable actions Adam has done since becoming a winner was Lute's idea.

[@chsovi7164]

I mean he told charlie to chillax too it's like a misogyny thing lol

[@alisonariella4525]

​@@Qwer-teaBinch That's a good point

[@Sophia-maria]

@@Qwer-teaBinch I think i was actually a mix of both their ideas I think lute is just as bad as Adam maybe a bit worse but it is shown that she does care about him crying over his death and the fact she not afraid to tell Adam to shut up and just get a don’t tell me to shush it shows they both have a deep care and understanding for each other I think they were probably talking about what would happen if hell population becomes to big at the time and they began to worried about a another war and they both came up with the idea of the annual extermination together

[@JamesMa11hewsLIVE]

Honestly, it would be so funny for Adam to become a new resident at the hotel that literally EVERYONE at the hotel except for Charlie think he's completely unredeemable. The amount of joke potential and character development potential is off the charts.

[@julianebaumgard5499]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Confuzzled-XP]

i dont know cuz even with SIR PENTIOUS only charlie gave him a second chance.

[@skull8534]

if it happen then we have to be worried about adam x charlie fans because yes it will happened

[@epicevanhogan6489]

@@skull8534 I would love to see that

[@zwei3179]

the idea of adam coming back and being part of the hotel would be funny, maybe even having a unnartual fear of Nitfy cause she was the one who killed him. Thus he freaks the fuck out everytime she is around Hell maybe a knife like hole in his chest or something to show how he died. Afterall when sinners die they take on the form of what they hate and how they died.

[@Moonlight.Howlings.666]

It would be a hilarious bit of irony if the beginning of next season shows that Adam is a mirror of Sir Pentious and got reborn in Hell as a Sinner.

[@leebulger7112]

I feel like Adam was killed too soon so I hope he comes back in some way.

[@flamestormthecat2833]

@@leebulger7112 I would like this too, but I feel like he won't. I mean, from what we know so far, both angels and sinners can reform once they've been killed, unless they were killed by an angelic weapon. We don't know what angelic steel is made of though. Adem was killed with a knife Nifty got from Charlie during the preperation, assumably it's one of the angelic weapons. Meaning that by our current understanding of the lore, this would have completely killed Adam. But Sir Pentious was killed by Adam's light beam, which prolly caused him to be able to reform as it's not angelic steel that killed him, but a different angelic power that may have an effect closer to a demon's one.

[@Unresolvedissues101]

​@@flamestormthecat2833 Make your mind flexible, we don't know wtf is angelic steel actually. We need to confirm

[@blue-carl7812]

@@leebulger7112 I agree, he feels so wasted

[@Unresolvedissues101]

​@@flamestormthecat2833 plus he died by bleeding out and was not *finished* off by the angelic dagger.

[@snowbunnie1113]

If he doesn’t come back in some form it feels like a waste and writing Adam off as nothing but an a-hole contradicts the whole “morality is grey” narrative of the show. That and the opportunities of storytelling and comedy with Adam in Hell is huge. We could get his take on what happened in Eden, what his deal with Lilith was, his relationship with Eve and what happened with her, maybe even introduce Cain and Able to the cast and have him reunite with his sons.

[@rueenglish9328]

My headcanon is that despite Adam’s personality flaws, he was actually a pretty good dad to his children and good husband to Eve in his post-Eden life. (As a foil to Lucifer who is generally a good person but was a distant parent for some time before making up with Charlie.) This is what truly earned his place in Heaven. I think his family influenced him to make good decisions despite his refusal to eat the Fruit of Knowledge, but because he died without eating it, their good influence was replaced with Heaven’s angelic, inhuman and uncaring dogma yet again. Adam’s arc may involve him remembering how he earned his way into Heaven in the first place: acts of love (caring for/protecting his loved ones) as opposed to cruelty and hate (extermination of sinners who are already suffering). Extra points if it’s Vaggie who helps him realize this.

[@peterhiser7883]

Cain and Abel is crazy.

[@alexthedemon2203]

@@rueenglish9328 I actually like this

[@christopherauzenne5023]

oh im 100% with you on that, it just seems like it would be such a stupid move because as you said, the whole base concept of the show is about redemption so it would make no sense for charlie to be "everyone deserves redemption, except adam, fuck that guy" when objectively his bad deeds boil down to killing people and acting like an asshole which is literally something everyone in hell has done, including charlie's friends/allies.

[@-g-e-l-a-iv_v]

agreed

[@dezdoss5388]

What people seem to forget is that adam is literally the first man. There essentially was no guidance on morality, god only told them not to eat the fruit from the tree. There was only him, lilith, and eve. How can you expect him to be moral and just when were not prior examples of people being moral and just. It doesnt excuse his actions but i think it explains a lot of them.

[@wolfsbanealphas617]

I think They had free will otherwise how could Lilith leave him and from the story she never state fruit 🍎 and the story makes eve and Adam bad while L and L are seen a dreamers who only had “ good intentions “

[@dezdoss5388]

@wolfsbanealphas617 im not saying they do not have free will. Im saying that as the first man and woman there is no one to teach them human morality. For example we are taught public nudity is wrong because people have deemed it to be wrong. But what if there are no other people, how would we know whether it is wrong or not? Being the only humans they decide what is right or wrong unless god intervened, which i dont think they would. So to adam he was the authority on human morality.

[@CaffyPvP]

@@wolfsbanealphas617 The story book Charlie is reading was likely written by Lilith, which is why it paints her in such a positive light and everyone else as being in the wrong. Adam was a jerk, Lucifer was a whiner, but Lilith? She was strong and amazing and a total boss babe who never did anything wrong... aside from corrupting humanity, and creating hell for the souls she damned to suffer in, and driving a wedge between Lucifer and Charlie, and abandoning her daughter and "her people" to go live the good life in Heaven while they suffer in the Hell she literally created.

[@wolfsbanealphas617]

@@CaffyPvP Yep all things a strong , independent women does all things a loyal and good mother does

[@bluemaster75]

@@CaffyPvP People forget what unreliable narrators are very often.

[@kirby-impostor5594]

I fully agree with this video. But I'd like to add something. Adam doesn't seem to have any real personality and has interests mostly based around just stuff he was ordered to do by the angels. Sex? Checks out. How else are you going to populate the earth? Food? Yeah. I'd indulge in eating too if I got banished from paradise and had to work day and night to farm said food. Music? A very basic form of entertainment and it seems to be the only thing he truly has passion for. And yet, other than those things, Adam is simply a blank slate. Likely because he was told by everyone around him what and who he is. He is the first man. The father of humanity. The guy who started it all. But that was just his job. A divine order given to him by Heaven. So if we get lucky and get a redemption arc for Adam, I want it to be Charlie trying to help the stubborn doofus figure out who he truly is. Basically: I don't think the angels ever really let him discover himself and *that's* where his insecurity spawns. He legitimately has no idea who he really is.

[@spatuladevious]

I agree with your response. I saw through his cracks especially during that court episode. He looked at Sera like a lost child.

[@rueenglish9328]

Holy shit someone said what I was thinking, thank you! Yes, I agree. Adam really gives “obnoxious, neglected little brother acting out for attention” vibes. It’s worth noting that Lilith, the woman who left him, is a singer. So it’s possible HIS musical inclinations are just a manifestation of him missing the person he was “supposed” to be with. Dude has NO identity fr 😭

[@DharkKirby]

​@@spatuladeviousI mean Sera did create him, she is pretty much his mother

[@wuttatota148]

​@@rueenglish9328Oh my god that's so sad i feel so bad for Adam fr 😢

[@akinarika4532]

Yes I want to see Charlie and Adam talk like a psychologist. And oh my god, more than in the world, she wants to see Lute and Adam meet at the extermination, she doesn't immediately understand what he is, and Adam will call her nickname and say, "I missed you, dangerous tits!" and without expecting Lute to hug him, "Me too"😭😭 Oh, my wet fantasies!

[@silverseer573]

Considering she's seemingly vibing in Heaven while her daughter fights for their supposed people, are you sure Lilith's pride manifested in something noble..? About your question, though: imagine your first wife left you for being too bossy, your second wife left you after being tricked by your first wife and her boy toy, and you end up in Heaven all alone. Wouldn't YOU feel terrible and start overcompensating?

[@Killswitch-l4h]

And due to what your second wife did your child is dead and the other one abandoned you (If cain and Abel exists)

[@neekothechameleon2517]

Good point

[@mattimmobilizer2455]

@@Killswitch-l4h he was also supposed to rule the kingdom but lucifer essentially damned half of Adam's children to hell by introducing them to the first sin

[@Killswitch-l4h]

@@mattimmobilizer2455 considering how much Adam lost throughout his life it makes sense why he smiled when Lute was there when he died

[@Lagohuera4958]

​@@mattimmobilizer2455 It must been really confusing and stresfull for him. To understand that an angel, the beings that created and guided him, condemned him alongside his wife to a life of pain and brutalities for no reason.

[@kyrudo]

I want to be a broken Adam. A man who's whole world and beliefs have been challenged and destroyed. A man who's seen the worst his children have done and now has to be there with him. A man who failed BOTH his wives. Honestly, there is a lot you can explore with themes of fatherhood between Lucifer and Adam and while I dont think we'll see like Cain or Abel, but I do think this is something where both of them can sort of conmiserate on. I think there is SO much potential in a Sinner Adam storyline it blows my mind some people either don't like the idea or just copy paste Angel Adam to Sinner Adam. I dunno. I feel that he is smarter than he lets on and thats also without even mentioning what could be done with Lute in such a scenario!

[@Marauxias]

It almost writes itself: Revisiting his past trauma with femininity and trust issues, learning to accept his fallen descendants, observe his interactions with the other Original Sin characters are reason enough to keep him. Add in to the mix the only woman that really cared for him (leaning on romantic, but platonic love works too) and stood by his side; who is out for blood to avenge him and despises demon-angel relationships (an demons overall), and you've got a perfect drama storm for great character development. If they do not bring him in the future, it will be a HUGE missed chance.

[@Xylospring]

We probably won't see them, but Cain and Abel have to at least exist. Cain is Cain, it's clear what he'd probably be doing, while I wonder about Abel. He's more the First Man in Heaven then Adam is, quite literally.

[@MymommyisJ]

@@Marauxias no it’ll be a riot waiting to happen

[@akinarika4532]

​@@MarauxiasYes, I completely agree with you. I'd love to see them meet to be honest, I guess Lute won't recognize him right away, it will be a jerk or something like Adam, and Adam will call her by those nicknames, danger tits And in the end, she realizes that it's him, and Adam would say, "I've missed you, dangerous tits," and Lute runs up to them and hugs them hard! It would be so touching! 😭😭😢

[@sarahlandis289]

@@Xylospring yeah, he was the first man to die.

[@michaeldrew2473]

Adam was a complete wanker, but the implication is that he never ate the apple so doesn't actually have an understanding of good and evil, so he is not guilty by reason of mental incompetence.

[@gilgameshthetreasurehunter2750]

And assuming instead of just "Knowledge of Good and Evil" its "Free Will" as the show implies, he's little more than just a robot really.

[@wolfsbanealphas617]

@@gilgameshthetreasurehunter2750which makes the robot like uniform they were make sense now 😮

[@thebearminimum1649]

Nobody thinks about the fact that everyone left him he was alone in heaven (we can asdume) and like you said nether knew good and evil

[@wolfsbanealphas617]

@@thebearminimum1649 what’s even sadder Lilith probably knew this yet still made him out to be a sexist pig yet she was the one who cheated on him with one of their makers, calling what they had as love to her naive daughter when it was lust

[@gilgameshthetreasurehunter2750]

@@wolfsbanealphas617 "When it was lust" Asmodeus about to pull up like Reverse FLash and hit em with a "It was me Barry"

[@MaryamFaisal-qi2ro]

My theory is that Lilith wants to take over both heaven and earth and created the story at the beginning of the show to manipulate the people of hell and Charlie, because when I first watched it I thought it had a lot of holes in it. Like, if the angels truly created her and Adam as equals, then he wouldn't have even had the idea of trying to control her. Based on what we saw at the end of the series, Lilith seems pretty self-centered, so I wouldn't be surprised if she saw Lucifer (described as a "dreamer") and thought he would be easy to manipulate into doing her will. She probably condoned the hotel idea (which is pretty dangerous, considering that someone could just pretend to be good, ascend, and wreak havoc in heaven) because it would destabilize heaven, leaving it free for her to take over. We don't even know if Adam was actually controlling back then, or if that's just a story Lilith spun to make heaven look bad. I personally think that he became like that over time.

[@ZeEmperor]

Gotta be honest, the only time I actually did feel bad for Adam (without this theory in mind) is when Lute was screaming in genuine horror at what had happened to him. The two seemed to have a legitimate bond of some kind, whether that be twisted romance or just platonic friendship we may never know-

[@Marauxias]

I actually lean on repressed feelings for each other: Adam has trust issues and is unable to form healthy emotional bonds with anyone since Eve (flings, One night stands...). For him Lute is a great friend and work buddy, but in reality she would be a perfect partner for him but he never realised it or pushes her away consciously(till maybe his last seconds in ep8). Lute on the other hand I belive is quite conscious of her feelings for Adam, but she is insecure in her vulnerabilities (and probably sees them as weaknesses), the power dynamic does not help (she is an underling that could be substituted, he is the friggin' d**ckmaster) and is probably afraid of rejection and fucking their current dynamic. At the end both characters wore masks in more ways than just literally and that also makes their relationship so intriguing and nuanced.

[@Elimichaelvillavicencio-yn1uw]

Real

[@kevinshults7765]

Who's more of a hazbin than an angel turned demon? Also, i think lute needs to be confronted with a demon adam next extermination if she's going to make any personal growth. Considering the two main aspects of her character we know of are her love of adam and her hatred of demons, it'd be super fun to see how she processes demonic adam

[@whims6278]

Oh I LOVE this

[@Marauxias]

Moreover, as per episode 6, she sees demon-angel relationships as "vile and blasphemous". Welp, a sinner Adam will be a smack to her beliefs. Duty and programming vs love. It almost writes itself Viv!

[@toadlord8594]

@@MarauxiasThe potential for Lute’s character growth to happen NEEDS this to happen in S2 or future seasons

[@shadowhound5113]

Yes, this needs to happen. Even better if Adam just rocks with it.

[@MymommyisJ]

She would give him a kiss I believe it just as much as this perfect sense making theory

[@samuelbedsole5089]

Also something to point out: even if Adam did have a concept of right and wrong, why would he see the purging of the Sinners as bad? While our main cast in the Hotel seem relatively decent people, a good 99% of the population of Hell deserve to be there. From what we see of the average sinner to what even characters comment about their fellow hellions, they are a pack of murderers, cannibals, sexual predators and abd deviants who will force their perversions onto others, and overall prideful self centered asses. Many of them are even aware of their wretched state and simply don't care to change... in fact they even seem to enjoy their sinful nature. In short, they very much deserve to be there. The premise of the annual exterminations is to cull the number of sinners so they don't have the numbers to overthrow heaven if they ever got it in their heads to organize and revolt. While the average sinner is too busy scurrying around just to live abother day, the turf wars orchestrated by sinners with the brains and ambition to dominate shows that the fear of one sinner getting the idea to add Heaven to their little empire isnt conpletely unfounded. So why would Adam or anyone in heaven see destroying a mass of unrepentant murderers, rapists, and cannibals as evil to begin with? In any other situation Adam would be the hero. An extremely flawed hero, but a hero nonetheless.

[@krog2371]

Emily's "bringing misery to thousands of innocent people" line, is one of the dumbest in the entire series. She called sinners innocent. Though I do get think she is simply massively ignorant. that being said, personally, I think Adam and the Exorcists took sadistic pleasure in the slaughter(not so good).(also, considering hell is eternal torment, they could easily pass the purges as mercy)

[@samuelbedsole5089]

@@krog2371 While I see where you're coming from with the Exorcists taking sadistic glee in mowing down sinners, think about this: in every WW2 film where the good guys fight Nazis- a group that did their fair share of murder and rape simply because they felt justified or just enjoyed it- the heroes take glee in putting a bullet in their skulls. This isn't seen as bad because the Nazis deserved it. Again, Hell is full of murderers and rapists that had no qualms about causing suffering when they were alive. So why wouldn't the Exorcists, who are aligned with the forces of cosmic good, not feel some glee sending these monsters to oblivion? For all we know some of the sinners they killed were Nazis themselves.

[@solracstormhunter3023]

These are a hella good arguments!

[@solracstormhunter3023]

​@@krog2371 I interpreted the "innocent" part as "Being in Hell, is supposed to be their punishment". And I get that this is where the show wants to go for the "Everyone can better themselves" and "The world isn't black & white"-messages, but sometimes I feel like the execution goes too hard into a one-sided portrayal of the main characters as the morally good guys and the typical "Heaven/Authorities aren't always the good guys" portrayal.

[@draconicdemigod9696]

I keep saying that. If anything Hell and the internet are the real hypocritical ones. Like these mfs kill, steal, rape, and enslaved each other when they were alive and are doing the same thing down in hell and Adam is literally giving the only type of consequences in the Hazbin verse. The show and the internet tries to defend sinners meanwhile I would watch a video of a person assaulting innocent people, gets hit by a car and every single comment will be like "Karma bitch" or "Car Kun is a real hero". Then they will defend Red Hood, Spectre, Bayverse Optimus Prime, Punisher, and Ghost Rider despite them doing the exact same thing and taking actual pleasure out of it sometimes. People enjoy bad people getting punished. People literally defended a man who went to prison for killing pedophiles. Btw the kid in Vaggie flashback was clearly from cannibal town because of his design and Adam stated that hellborns are the only one spared come extermination. Meaning that kid ate people when he was alive and is in hell for it. Shit he probably aided in the deaths of countless innocent people that he was meal later.

[@jaketucker2559]

I actually had a crazy story idea that hell finds out about sir pentiouses redemption, and because he was a local there he got visitation rights from sera to visit hell with diplomatic immunity. And in the end it isn’t Charlie who lets Adam get a chance to try but sir pentious with a reprise of it starts with sorry, saying he may not know how he got in but if he can do it so can Adam, and it will just take time.

[@DBArtsCreators]

The snake helping the first man get back into heaven after both had their head bruised; that be a cool idea.

[@screw_a_username7491]

COOK

[@fayescarlet]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt bad for Adam. There's a few frames at 7:17 that show him clutching at his head in frustrated confusion, which really made me pity him more. The first Man, essentially 'raised' to be in control, and if no-one taught him better, what else was he supposed to do but double-down on it his entire life and afterlife? "Confused doofus" is an apt description, Adam deserved a chance to learn, rather than just be killed off. "Are we all going to throw this guy under the bus for having a moral compass with no needle?" VERY apt!

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

Honestly, I think Adam should've been given more depth. THink about it, he's the first man meaning all of humanity descended from him and he's spent countless eons watching them indulge in WAY worse stuff than him, yeah he's a jerk who kills sinners, but you don't see him murdering actual innocent people for kicks or the countless other horrible things Sinners do. Imagine how anger inducing it likely was watching humanity, the thing you helped create fail over and over again. Plus considering Eden isn't shown it's a safe bet he was still kicked out for some reason and it's mainly the fault of Lilith and Lucifer, so Adam is right to hate them for it as well.

[@shadowhound5113]

Great points. I hope Adam returns just because he could be given so much more depth.

[@Alina_Schmidt]

There is no scene when Adam kills someone, but he does sing out loud „extermination is entertainment“. And no, Lilith an Lucifer and Eve sure aren‘t to blame for the loss of Eden. The angels and/or god are. We got to stop to take the bible seriously.

[@sardonicus1739]

He absolutely does try to murder a completely innocent person. He tries to murder, Charlie, who did absolutely nothing to get in hell. She was just born there, and is arguably one of the kindest people in the show. He also directly implied that he also would have been murdering all of the hellborns if he wasn't forced not to. Once again, hungry for genocide of a completely innocent population, that did nothing to deserve hell, they were just born there. In his very first appearance, he does nearly every single deadly sin in the book. Also, nearly everything else you say is purely speculation based on not directly seeing it. Frankly though I think it's scary though how many people seem to have your mindset, where being an evil monster is just fine and justified as long as you do it to people you have deemed bad. That's literally exactly how the holocaust happened the mind set you're defending. Especially now that we know that a lot these sinners are perfectly capable of redemption, besides the psychopaths who are incapable of emotions like guilt or remose.

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

@@Alina_Schmidt Yes they are guilty, they were expressly told not to eat the apple, they did it anyway and then made Eve it eat too. They are guilty, both in this story and in the bible. And yea he kills sinner,s aka Murderers, rapists, serial killers and the like, people who had the chance to be good, abused it and now are being punished for it.

[@MymommyisJ]

@@Alina_Schmidt you have no likes that’s so hilarious

[@OriasRofocale]

Yeah that was my theory for this version of Adam. I don't think he'd be the apple eating type. It explains how he can be so oblivious to good and evil, because all he knows is what people tell him to do and if he is scolded for his actions or encouraged. It would be an interesting twist on the story. I also wanted to see the whole Sinner Adam as things going full circle, we will see.

[@eduardoalexanderoliveirade9112]

No, cuz Adam becoming a demon and joining the hotel genuinely has so much potential. It could reinforce the theme of Hazbin Hotel and create many interesting potential interactions. For example, Alastor and Lucifer finally agreeing on one thing and joining forces to torment Adam, Adam being terrified of Nifty, Vaggie having to deal with the one guy who knows every bad thing she did b4 joining the hotel being constantly around, and Charlie wanting to redeem Adam but still kinda resenting him but not wanting to admit it... The opportunities are so great.

[@rueenglish9328]

I understand the reasoning of some people who think Adam got into Heaven through nepotism or the like. However, judging by Sera’s claim about knowing when a soul arrives and St. Repentious’s ascension, it’s clear that the system of divine judgment is “automated” in some way. Therefore, I believe Adam, through the hardships he and Eve overcame together on Earth and still managing to raise their 5 children to adulthood, *did in fact earn is place in Heaven* at the time of his death. Even without the clarity of the Fruit of Knowledge, Eve and their children’s presence in his life-and the genuine care they had for him as opposed to the angels’ aloofness-*may have pushed him to make good decisions anyway*. But BECAUSE he never ate the Fruit, he cannot deduce just WHAT truly got him into Heaven in the first place, and the Angels being as incurious as they are about both his life AND their own foundation, cannot really tell him either. A key moment in Adam’s potential character development, I think, would be finally deciding for himself to *eat the Fruit of Knowledge*. After spending time as a Sinner in Hell, learning for himself what’s right without Heaven’s indoctrination, and gradually forging real bonds with the Hotel residents, he decides he’s had enough of running. From his inner guilt, from his buried trauma and feelings of neglect from his makers, from his insecurities over Lucifer so many years ago. He hits Lucifer up. “… Do you still have it?” And Lucifer silently leads him to the chamber where he’s kept the very same apple from Eden 10,000 years ago, still in the same condition as the first day it was plucked. Lucifer hands it to the First Man, the man Heaven failed since the very beginning. And the man takes a bite.

[@wuttatota148]

I would actually cry like THE POTENTIAL for Adam's character is insane. Probably the character with the most potential in the show in terms of emotional depth. This sht practically writes itself and Vivzie would be unwise not to capitalize on it

[@matijasostojic4288]

God Imagine if he just bit into it and we get a flash (probably in the background as his face or body would be in the fore ground) of his entire life. Creation, Meeting Lilith her leaving then repeating the process again with Eve up until she gets them kicked out, their hardship with living in a wasteland, his children getting born, Cain and Abel and it Finally speeding up with a bunch of images of the 10000 years of extermination... He then just falls to the ground. He's figured it out. What he did wrong and right, then it all just hits him. He just cries as either Charlie or Lucifer comfort him.

[@Bennett-wj9vg]

Theory: The reason the heaven and hell system is bullshit is because Roo is actively fucking with it for eons and now is trying something completely different to ster the pot, as it were.

[@XenoThe]

who the fuck is Roo bruh😭🙏

[@nicolenigaglioni805]

@@XenoThewell to answer your question from what I have heard they are well the root of evil

[@nataliesolorio4697]

@@XenoTheroo is short for “root of all evil”. We don’t know a whole lot about her but I’m pretty sure she’s the person with the red eye in Charlie’s book (the crack/root thing that morphs into a hand that grabs earth is probably her too.

[@strawberryhellcat4738]

Vivienne posted a drawing of Roo to Twitter/X on October 18, 2019 with the comment: "Quick break doodle of my bitch Roo! There is no character I'm more excited to get into then her- but it's gonna be a LONG ass time so enjoy me vague doodling this trash queen whenever I brave doing so." She's very disturbing and Lovecraftian in appearance.

[@NightmareRex6]

i think roo is suppose to be based on the eldritch gnostic being the "demiguge"?

[@masterblaster7953]

My Stance on Adam is pretty straight forward in how he does nothing wrong and he is indeed right. 1. Adam was sad when Lilith refused but didn't bother to chase after her, and respected her wishes despite how he took "no for a answer" with the other being in heaven. Implying that Hell's history is missing key context of what actually happened. 2. Adam in the past was different than the one we see as Lucifer mentioned to Adam he let himself go since the Garden incident. Telling us that Adam was very different once again than the man we see in the current timeline. 3. Adam was only messing around with Charlie, and having fun with her when they meet at first. But what people don't understand is that he was open to aiding Charlie with anything but trying to redeem sinners so he wasn't down right ignorant of other problems he more than likely was willing to help solve. 4. Angel and Adam are the same in how people used them for their own gain yet they put on a "act" of self importance for their ego/pride is nothing more than gone. Adam hypes himself up similar to what Angel Dust does yet unlike how Husker helps Angel nobody bothers to help Adam at all with his issues other than Lute trying to protect Adam for the very things that cause him pain which are the sinners. 5. Adam breaks down in episode 8 because he understands he is nothing more than the man who started humanity but that is all he is known for nothing else. Nobody even tries to ask Adam what is it he wanted to do in the first places and the one idea he purposes to do something meaningful to "save" Heaven he is only shunned and criticized for he is "killing innocents" even though they are his offspring's children's children who decided to do horrible things regardless of the situation 6. As people mention in the comments the term "thousands of innocents" that Emily states in episode 6 is PURELY dumbfounded mainly because HELL is NOT "innocent" PERIOD. That is a outright LIE for Heaven was afraid of sinners rising up to Invade Heaven WHICH is warranted for concern given the very nature of the Overlords trying to gain power to RULE Hell itself. Those people chose to do bad things and while I do agree that those that want to better themselves should be allowed the chance to be "redeemed"...you can't use love and family as a defense mechanism like Carmela does since she RUINED other families who no doubt wanted to protect their love ones by giving weapons to those who would abuse it. Which brought her OWN daughters to HELL because they got caught in the business she ran. I have NO sympathies for those who try to claim the morale high ground for the sake of "family and love" as they never gave a rats butt about others other than their own selfish wants. 7. This is why imo Adam is the tragic hero of Hazbin Hotel as he did everything right to save those who deserved to be safe from the wicked malice hell has that even their own "hellborn" as shown in Hellvaboss inflict sin upon humanity yet charlie likes to pretend "we don't do that and even if we do they can change". Let me be clear...if you can't change the environment and rules that a person trying to go to rehab is at then it won't matter if you believe another institution will take care of them if they "check the requirements" to get in if they just relapse/don't want to change.

[@KvngLeroy1]

W take except the thousands of innocents things, God has alot of bogus stuff that would send you to hell, for example you can't go to Heaven if you don't believe I God which sounds simple enough until you realize that most people didn't know of it until like the 4th century. Then you have to account for the fact that alot of Christian settlers would show up to other regions and commit various crimes further turning them away from it.

[@TieberiusVoidWalker]

@@KvngLeroy1 Vivzie has mentioned that you only go to hell by being an actual bad person and not the more minor sins of Christianity

[@Erinlikeshiking]

I honestly think it's pretty plausible that adam didn't eat the fruit in this universe. So many other theorists seem to assume he did, but he never shows a second of comprehension for good vs bad. it makes me wonder if your own shame/guilt is all that is holding you in hell and when sir pentious sacrificed himself he had a moment without any self doubt.

[@twinswords79dualblade84]

I mean there is a chance he might come back as a sinner. Vivziepop did mention how much fun she had writing him and watching him so if he was gonna become a sinner and check into the hotel, that’s not UNlikely. Imagine Adam just came from being an obnoxious asshole main antagonist to becoming a neutral snarky kind of sinner who just laughs at other people’s expense before opening his eyes and realizing how much of a douche he is and tries to become better but still has that snarky comment here or there. (I still believe he 100% deserved to die and be forgotten, but watching this new angle on him would be interesting too)

[@chloenieuwsma4846]

Isn't that basically Husk and Angel Dust

[@shadowhound5113]

Or what if Adam came back as Adam but a sinner. Like him just 100% and rising to the ranks of overloard.

[@Alina_Schmidt]

Didn‘t Vivzie announce before the finale that one character would die and be gone? Since Sir Pentious is in heaven now that‘d got to be Adam. Of course possible that the writers change their minds. (Although then they‘d have a plothole with the angelic weapons.)

[@UltimateDurzan]

We saw one of Charlie’s goat pet-things get killed…

[@MymommyisJ]

@@Alina_Schmidt it’s dazzle you idiot…

[@leo_n.n_oel]

Honestly I’m not even convinced he even treated Lilith as horribly as it’s claimed. The book Charlie’s reading is the Book of Hell or smthn like that. It clearly would be the side of the story of of either Lilith or Lucifer, one of them probably wrote it or told it. Lilith could just be painting herself in better light, or Lucifer painting his wife in better light. Like do I believe he was phenomenal to her? No, but I don’t believe she was sunshine and rainbows either. She was the starter of literal cheating, the first woman to conduct acts of adultery. She’s not innocent, but he isn’t either. If heaven had better understandings of judgement and morale he could’ve been a better husband and person in the long run.

[@wolfsbanealphas617]

Plus from that story he looked to be pointing at something she probably felt he never heard out like why do we have to always do what you want and frustrate she ran away to cool off but then met Lucifer and we have the plot but then before she thinks about staying with Lu I she goes back to the garden and sees eve with Adam feeling betrayed she then convinces Lucy to give her the fruit

[@dante_0962]

@@wolfsbanealphas617finally someone else noticed it, it felt like I’m the only one who noticed.

[@wolfsbanealphas617]

@@dante_0962 right the story is too biased it sounds like like they already had free will and whatever Lucy did was something else

[@peaceout41]

@@wolfsbanealphas617 Think of it this way, His first wife ends up with Lucifer, and his second wife betrays him by that said man and their creator rules. They get cursed and children get cursed. Adam gets cursed but Eve's descendants get cursed due to her eating the apple, all because of Lucifer. Then Charlie, his Cheating wife's child comes up with plans of redemption. Honestly, I would have killed Lucifer sooner, if I could have with no repercussions. But I would have done it slowly. Every 100 years his loved ones go missing. So he can't build any connections due to them dying without reason. Isolation, then approach like a guardian angel with a method to end his suffering. So he ends his own life. Record it and send it to my first wife. I write stories in my free time. I can make up worse scenarios than this that are more brutal.

[@johnnycage112]

He never forced her or Eve to do anything. That accounts for something.

[@austyn1061]

Honestly if he does cowm back as a sinner I hope Adam's reappearance episode shows him going through the 5 stages of grief. This is how I can see it going: 1 Denial- Adam wakes up in hell and finds he is no longer an Angel, he goes into full blown panic asking things like "what is this? I'm not a sinner! This has to be a mistake!!" Maybe even trying to speak to one of the exterminators during an extermination and almost getting killed in the process. 2 anger- Adam storms the hotel to take his anger out of Charlie blaming her for his fall from grace, but this goes nowhere because everyone else kick him out 3 Bargaining- Adam finds out Sir Pentious got into Heaven and returns to the hotel, begging Charlie to give him a second chance so he can get back to Heaven Charlie would be on the fence for a bit before she would finally agree 4 Depression- Adam would metaphorically crash and basically lock himself in his room with some (Maybe all) of the bar's alcohol supplies drinking his misery away, thinking he's probably got next to no chance of getting back into Heaven 5 acceptance- someone( I hope Vaggie tbh) is able to convince Adam that he doesn't deserve a chance to get to heaven, even if he never does, he still has a place at the hotel with all of them and he's welcomed, just like anyone wanting redemption. Adam will take this to heart and finally start working on himself

[@N0peto3]

Thats very similar to a fic i read

[@HikoNoMori]

The fact Adam smiles at lute one final time shows that he was happy to die by someone who actually cared for him, and stayed with him until the end. Unlike Eve and Lilith, who both left time for their own reasons. Adam died happy.

[@DataDrain02]

I'm NOT gonna lie. Like you, and many others. I legit hope he comes back as a sinner, and checks into the hotel.... The dynamic would be comedy gold. (Plus, more Alex Brightman is always a good thing.) Here's to hoping Vivzie has a similar idea, or sees the idea of him coming back online.... Not the first time she looked at a fan theory, and thought "yeah, that would be cool."

[@naciabell7903]

If Adam is legit DEAD dead, then he's a wasted character. The first human man who had his life completely ruined by Lucifer, Lillith, and Sinners, with a purely justifiable hatred for them... reduced to a douchey fratboy with a complete joke of a death. It's very easy to forget but Adam had his entire life ruined by others, rathert han things he did on his own. Even in the bible he only ate the apple beacuse Eve shared it with him, rather than him activly choosing to eat it. It was Eve who did and he honestlyy could of thought it was a normal apple like the rest. Plus let's not forget. The backstory we got in episode 1 was from the book charlie was reading. Which was proibbly written by her parents. Did you ever notice that instead of lilith just holding her hands up and then leaving, she held her hand up, turned her head away and then ran? That's not a normalt hing to do as that's bascially a 'talk tot he hand loser' move. Lilith in relaiyy could of been just as bad as Adam pride and toxicity wise, but she hid it better or it was less obvious. She may of even encourged lucifer to start messing with Eve after she got repalced and could of had plenty of petty and malicous intentions. After all if Adam and lilith are equals, there isn't really any reason she woldn't have a persoanlity that can handle him or be like just his and Adam really wasn't as bad as he was made out to be back then. Adam has all the potential for tons of depth and undersandable motivations. I mean here is something to consider. Even fi Adam was more resonable to Charlie and open to her hotel idea? She'd of refused to compramise with him as she wanted the exterminaaitons stopped all together. Even if Adam was willing to negociate, she'd of not accepted the exerminations contiuing at all. Which means reguardless of his persoanlity, they most likley would of wound up fighting anyway.

[@raffaeledecrescenzo8582]

Tbh even if he is gone for good it doesn't mean that they are done with him. They killed him because he was the main villain of S1, but that doesn't imply that they are done with his character. I mean they could use lute or lilith's flashbacks during S2 to break down his character. How did he meet lute Why did they start the extermination His deal with lilith What really happened in the Eden garden. His type of relationship with lute. Then if they dont do that it can be considered a wasted character.

[@HannahBanina]

I had some serious Adam brainrot after watching “Welcome to Heaven” (it’s still going on now, just less so) and ended up talking with my bestie about the perfect amount of nuance Adam got in that episode just with the reveal that even he doesn’t know why he’s in Heaven and the best he could do when asked was guess based on what he _thinks_ is probably righteous behavior. If we take his list at face value, it even tells us that he probably did manage to be a decent enough person before dying - childish as those criteria are, they are generally good things. And the smile he gives Lute while he dies in the finale, to me, speaks *_volumes:_* He was absolutely still capable of love and compassion and he genuinely felt it for Lute. In fact, for as much as the episode makes a show of tearing Adam down from this once-thought-invincible warmonger to just A Man, it was also the episode that convinced me that he was never completely evil. Flawed and obnoxious, sure. But not evil (Lute on the other hand…). Anyway the funniest part of that initial Adam convo with my bestie was her suggestion that Adam might be harboring some bitterness over being a nepo baby, because it sounds *_way_* more accurate than it should.

[@Marauxias]

I agree with your assertion, but disagree on Lute. I belive she is also a daughter of her circumstances: ideological programming, zealotry, punitive divine justice, becoming a weapon for heaven... She is evil (as Adam) but not completely. She cares for her fellow sisters, she thinks she is on the right side of history by keeping heavens safe. And she ultimately loved Adam. It is also likely that she has deep insecurities, probably linked for fear of displaying weakness that forced her to repress her emotions and vulnerabilities. She can be also a nuanced character, and one perfect to further grow if Adam is still around as a sinner.

[@HannahBanina]

@@Marauxias Very nice points! I’ll admit that some of my negative judgment towards Lute comes from the fact that her bloodlust can even freak out Adam sometimes, and I definitely have reason to believe she’s a homophobic asshole. But, hey, with the confirmation that she’s still gonna be part of the plot in Season 2, I’m sure we’ll see some more nuance to her at some point. And I am looking forward to it 👍

[@MaryamFaisal-qi2ro]

@@HannahBanina you mean the part where she calls charlie and Vaggie's relationship "vile and blasphemous"? I always thought that was because their relationship was angel-demon

[@christopherbravo1813]

@@MaryamFaisal-qi2ro Vivzie could outright confirm that Lute was expressing disgust over the Angel-Demon aspect of the relationship and people would still go "Lute is homophobic".

[@gennaronarducci1333]

​​​@@Marauxias But about that, i wonder but Lute is a heavenborn or she was a human before? Maybe a girl who grew up in a very religious, old fashioned and toxic place and with very strict - almost abusive parents, that to explain her whole "angels are the good guys no matter what and demons are shit no matter what and sinners deserve it now" mindset and many of her behaviors (being so fanatic and submissive to Azrael, thinking mercy is "a weakness", being this ruthless and violent with the other exorcists)

[@V_MC]

I've desperately tried to defend Adam ever since his first appearance, but never really had a solid reason. UNTIL NOW. I need to see this guy crashland right onto the bloodstained pavement of Lucifer's firey red Hell and get redeemed through the Hazbin Hotel, it'd be so fun to see both the character interactions and his own development. Maybe even calling out the really messed up things that happen in Hell and finally learning to understand right from wrong. But i guess it's all just a theory for now.

[@JustSomeAutisiticNerd]

And if he gets out of line they can just hold nifty up

[@dream.the.furry.moth.]

I love that viv included “Stick it to the man” which is a reference to school of rock, which Alex Brightman also sung

[@fredbearpostsfnaf9314]

Finally, someone else said it. I always felt he was like a big kid that didn’t know any better. Any time the people he believed in (the seraphim) disapproved of something, he stopped. Like, he just didn’t know any better and didn’t get proper guidance from those he looked up to. The better keep him around, it’d be such a waste otherwise. I personally loved his character because I see him through a more sympathetic lens, and he’s a lot like my brother. Big heart, not always big brain. Lol

[@raktul3697]

one thing i would like to add, is that the story of the start of adam that we know is from the bias of lilith and lucifer, OBVIOUSLY they will not tell their daughter that they did something wrong, i like my theory that adam ended like an asshole after multiple cheatings (lilith and eve) since for what we see at the end of season 1 from the gestures of lucifer it doesnt look like he only gave the apple to eve, if you know what i mean, after that point i really couldnt look at lucifer the same way too, this too could explain the inferiority complex that adam has, i dont think vivzie will in anyway shape or form paint lilith or lucifer like people who made mistakes, or assholes too english is not my first language, srry if i have some mistakes

[@cerealguy6359]

If you also noticed. All of the exterminator angels have black halo's, meaning they're fallen angels and not pure, that they know the truth that they go down and kill souls for them to never revive. But... Adam's is golden. All of the angels in heavens are golden. Meaning he truly believes in what he does is good, that he can't be bad because the souls in hell are evil, so what he does then has to equate to good.

[@r.ipeter6445]

I think Adam was brought to heaven by angels instead of dying, so during the hotel fight he died for the first time meaning he will be reborn as a sinner.

[@virtues9442]

4:54 This is actually a reference to Alex Brightman's role in School of Rock on Broadway! He played Dewey Finn and one of his songs is called Stick It To The Man.

[@Anonymous-qh9gq]

Holy shit that just registered!!!!

[@Anonymous-qh9gq]

I love Alex Brightman

[@SourCandy2134]

Yasssss, glad more people get this!!!

[@Trainboi1983]

“Stick it to the- stick it to the man” that one?

[@CosmicKitsune_art]

Honestly, I can see him being a deeper character under the surface, giving him insecurities on why he acts the way he does, and how he tries to overcompensate for with misogyny He has potential for the most well written redemption yet, but he has to be written correctly at least that’s my opinion

[@thomasraymond7912]

One thing we need to remember whenever looking at the backstory of Adam and Lilith, we are only given Lilith's side of the story. Which might be true, but it might also be a half truth or complete lies, after all she is incredibly prideful.

[@redjirachi1]

I think they're gonna make Adam the Vegeta equivalent. The main villain of the first season, but comes back from the grave for an (almost) series-long redemption arc

[@IWasaTeenageTeenWolf]

Oh he's definitely the Vegeta equivalent. Pull up any scene of Vegeta in the Cell and Broly arcs of DBZ and it's literally Adam with a bigger ego. ( Plus he did literally Final Flash the hotel. Someone on the development team must be a DBZ fan.)

[@toadlord8594]

@@IWasaTeenageTeenWolfI say he’s the equivalent of TFS Vegeta but heavenly version

[@shawerful5209]

So he is gonna have his ass kicked for two seasons? Only for him became useful on the last one

[@IWasaTeenageTeenWolf]

@shawerful5209 Pretty much. Or cut the filler and have him show up at the end of season 2.

[@Titanusrex1616]

I can totally Adam being a Vegeta fanboy 😂

[@duff_2008]

I think if Adam is brought back as a sinner and a resident at the hotel, this could be perfect for a very interesting narrative of him first at the hotel to try get into heaven not really believing he could only to develop as a character. This would make peak writing for the show and I actually hope they go this route.

[@wolfspider2six584]

Adam should become a sinner. Killing him off is wasted potential for the story

[@lucusjadryev4942]

Not all Potential in a story is used

[@wolfspider2six584]

@lucusjadryev4942 Yeah, but still. This is a concept that should be included.

[@Adam-wg2rf]

I don't want to die, i had so much fun killing more then german painter, and other evil people all at once.

[@cookie_ham364]

I'm glad to see someone else think about Adam in this way. I personally think Adam is someone who always got told he was great and anything he does is good but really that just turned him into someone who is arrogant and on the surface Bragg's about himself. While deep down he wants recognition and for people to genuinely care about him so he uses the "I'm the first man" as an excuse for people to love him. Since Adam was the first human nobody above him was there to show him empathy and respect for others and for him to be Adam not just and only "The first man"

[@shaneyzamora2525]

Imagine he's at the hotel and is on his redemption arc, when Lute sees him getting cozy. Something that will make him chose on whether or not to abandon his progress. Does he defend the hotel in terms of actually being a good person or say that he's only there to sabotage or even just trying to get his spot back?

[@safakak3459]

It is a bit absurd but, I imagined when Adam returns as sinner he would be like " hell is the end of the road and if I somehow fall here then I deserve damnation" so he would simply find himself a hole to spend the rest of his days, but for reason or another Lute finds him ( either by accident or Adam having save Lute from a horde of sinners with angelic weapons) Lute will see him as a sinner Adam will explain that he fell from the grace and advise Lute to just go back to heaven and enyoj it but Lute being as stuborn as she is will refuse to leave, reasoning that Adam cannot keep his identity secret forever ( his demonic from is very simliar to heavenly one with his wing being a huge give away) and once he is exposed the sinner will attack him including overlords and Adam is not as strong as his heavenly version, this conservation will quickly turn into a heated argument and at some point Lute will answer Adams warnings to return with " make me" and so a sort of fight will break out between these two with both of them flying around hell shouting and grabing / throwing each other, adam Despite being much stronger than her Adam does not want to hurt lute so the fight goes to a stalemate but the important thing is Charlie and the rest of the hell learns that Adam has not kicked the bucket and is a sinner now. Charlie will want to talk to him and even invite him to hotel but the moment she appears Adam will literally throw Lute at Charlie before once again asking Lute to leave for heaven and assume him dead before flying away. This will quickly turn into a Musical with 3 of them Adam singing about how he blew his afterlife and how he deserves it and there is no way to redeem or save him, Lute will sing about how she failed to protect him and how she will protect him no matter what both sera and Lucifer be damned, meanwhile Charlie will sing about how she wants to help him and he can be safe in hotel how he can redeem himslef. In the end Adam will only accept once Lute (hearing Charlie's part of hotel being under Lucifer's protection and her invitation to him) says she will leave if Adam checks into the hotel. Well is it a likely scenario, no but it would be very cool I think

[@DharkKirby]

​@@safakak3459"How he deserved it." Dude would have a mental breakdown, and be confused

[@DharkKirby]

​@@safakak3459let me change this to be better with a few words: "HOLY SHIT IM A DEMON, I GUESS HELL ISN'T FOREVER NOW LET ME THE FU- wait wait wait, what about the Hotel? I could go there and get my position back!" And then he proceed to be genuine and would assist in fending off a extermination and Lute to fight him, before being quickly overcome, before noticing that this sinner acted a lot like her best friend and boss, Adam, and then they'd speak, yada yada redemption yada yada rant rant rant

[@sammysprivatecorner]

Never thought I'd be an Adam Apologist (Even tho he's my fav character I love him so much) but uhhh... HERE I AM I GUESS

[@wuttatota148]

If there's no Adam apologists left then i'm dead

[@breadbug323]

ik im not gonna ever be one, im not forgiving him for killing the funny snake goober 😭

[@N0peto3]

He wouldnt go to heaven if Adam didnt kill him tho 🤷‍♀️@@breadbug323

[@breadbug323]

@@N0peto3 ye but theres still blood on adams hands (figuratively) and adam didn't intend for him to be redeemed

[@pajurr]

I just want more of Adam, with dialogues as well written as they are in season 1. Whatever it takes for that. Lute is great as well in court

[@MrSlashblade]

Depends, Vizzie in terms of her writing can be almost a harsh God. If she likes you, she’ll write pretty compelling and fleshed out characters, if she doesn’t, she leaves no room for interpretation, you will get the narrative axe. I mean from a pure narrative standpoint Alastor and Adams motives in dealing with souls is nothing more then “because I can”. If she likes Adam (which I highly doubt) then he didn’t deserve to die, if she doesn’t like Adam (which she most likely doesn’t) he deserved to die, and will be at most a personal dilemma with Charlie that not everyone can be saved

[@raffaeledecrescenzo8582]

As far as i know viv and some animators and writers stated on twitter that adam was one of their favorite characters of the show and how much fun they had while writing him. Also he was a really well received character by the audience. So probably we are gonna see more of him in the future.

[@keeperofnecronomicon]

If Adam didn’t eat from the fruit then he lacks free-will and doesn’t deserve death any more or less then he deserves life. The only thing he deserved was the fruit so he could make his own choices

[@gilgameshthetreasurehunter2750]

See I take issue with him being the "bad guy" and dying like he did cause if the Fruit of Knowledge also gave Free Will, and he didn't eat from it, he was litttle more than just a robot listening to Heaven's desires and commands without question. If he were to reincarnate in Hell in the same wat St Pentious reincarnated into Heaven, he absolutely could be taught right from wrong like you said.

[@caitlinabbott7895]

If Adam gets reincarnated as a sinner, wouldn't it be funny if he wasn't recognizable to the main cast?

[@Marauxias]

I believe that unmasking him in the last episode had two intentions: one was to humanize the villain a bit (from demon -like angelic overlord to just The Man) and second to make both the cast and the viewers his appareance recognizible for his next form as a sinner. It is likely his demonic form would contain details from his exorcist suit ( mainly the horns and fangs), but he will probably retain his human-like form. Sir Pentious kept most of his snake-like form even after redemption, so it seems logical that Adam would too.

[@caitlinabbott7895]

@@Marauxias I meant in like a funny scenario type of way, I wasn't really thinking too deeply into this Like in a way where they're like "That sinner seems familiar, but I can't figure out why..." But they just shrug off the feeling and don't think too much about it

[@TheGuySilver]

If Adam Became a Resident. Imagine if we get a Scene where Adam Genuinely Apologises to Alastor privately and they actually(Over the Course of S2, Unironically)become Best Mates and teaming up against Vox. Entering the Realm of Fanfic buuut that would be pretty Cool!

[@lukedalton]

I doubt that Alastor can become best mates with anyone, even if had some attachments with Mitzi and Nifty and maybe Charlie. Frankly i think that the insult he give to Adam during the fight was the first time in the entire season where he was 100% sincere

[@ultima1594]

Also important to note that Charlie is reading the story of Hell, which was almost definitely written by Lilith. I personally have the theory that Lilith is just as toxic as Adam, and also wanted control, but decided to just leave (which she also is revealed to have done to go to Heaven). I think that if Adam had met a female Lucifer Angel, the same thing would have happened. I agree with the theory that Adam never ate apple

[@howdy-573]

man, had to watch the vid 2 times 'cause I kept laughing because of the editing. Great job on it ! always happy to see a youtuber not ditching on Adam just because of his behavior. He became my favorite character since ep 1 because he was so hilarious. And then yeah, ep 6 rolled in and like you said : the "right Sera ?" seemed off character as he was so confident until now. I felt something was strange there but then, he died. If that"s the last time we see of him, I'll think it's wasting character development (and joke) potential

[@geminirenegade9290]

I completely agree that he should come back in Hell as a sinner. I'd love that, but I don't think he'd be willing to change right away. But what I want to know is *WHO* is judging these souls. The ophanim? Someone higher? Maybe there's another plane of existence somewhere besides Heaven, Hell, and Earth. Like a Purgatory where souls are sorted or something.

[@ethankennan212]

I get the feeling it’s a collective subconsciousness of the Angels based on their beliefs and feelings about certain people. Note how Adam, the first Man who would naturally be loved by Angels, got to Heaven despite his cruelty. And note how no Sinner had ascended to Heaven before until after Charlie showed up and showed them that Sinners can change and Angels can do bad things. It’s not hard evidence, sure. But I feel like this interpretation just clicks.

[@geminirenegade9290]

@@ethankennan212 You make a valid point. That could very well be the case.

[@JohnGrandline]

Big E (Emperor of Mankind)

[@lukew9519]

I saw Adam as someone who was just following the orders of the higher up angels, and while he enjoyed it, he didn’t see it as wrong because the others never rebuked him or told him it was wrong. With him showing restraint by not destroying Charlie the first chance he got even though she was the child of the two people that destroyed his paradise and ruing both his and his children’s lives by introducing sin. Obviously he isn’t a good guy but I wouldn’t say he’s evil either. So it’s not as black and white as everyone even Adam himself says.

[@theskelebro8013]

I personally like to think Adam was meant to go to hell but heaven took pity on him, so his death seems pretty justified

[@Lulu_Loves_Sheep]

Double standards man... And considering the fact that *no one* in Heaven knows what it takes to even get up there, I'd like to think there may be some souls in Hell who weren't actually supposed to be there. They could have been pretty decent people.. though that decent part of them has probably withered away due to Hell's violent environment... Take Carmilla's children for example, what could they have done? The most we've seen them do is sell goods to Sir Pentious and even hug their mum. The theory that Carmilla somehow accidentally got her daughters sent to Hell with her could support my theory that some sinners weren't actually supposed to be sent to Hell.

[@VeryGoodPlayer-dy6ut]

@@Lulu_Loves_Sheep the problem is that the fact that they don't know why a soul is in heaven proves that Adam was good enough to be in heaven in the eyes of the one who was judging him. We also know that their judgement can change as we see it happen with sir pentious

[@Funkyleb]

@@Lulu_Loves_Sheepthey are hell born, i think

[@ashebennett7726]

⁠@@Lulu_Loves_Sheepthey don’t even know what gets people into heaven! Adam is only there because he’s the first man. Your theory is flawed if they don’t even know what it takes for a soul to get there in the first place because their judgement is flawed. So no, your theory is not supported based on their flawed system. Most of the souls might deserve to be there, but there are so many good souls who turned out to be undeserving and sir pentious is an example. He deserves redemption more than Adam does. Adam is a genocidal maniac simply because he enjoys it and even lied to the seraphim about some uprising just so that he could have treat the souls like some shooters game and brag about how many he’s slaughtered, while pentious only thought he had to be bad but was really a pure soul in a bad place who was willing to sacrifice himself for his friends.

[@feroniks366]

@@ashebennett7726If they don’t know they can’t bias the results, the simple fact he shows up there proves that in some way he deserved to be there however we don’t know why he deserved to be there

[@bdariamihaela]

Thank you Finn, you really put things into perspective for me, I really want Adam to remanifest as a sinner and earn his way into heaven

[@Jonathan_Collins]

I think it would be extremely hilarious if Adam turns up as an imp, coming from one the highest social standings in Heaven to the lowest in Hell just seems poetic. Even if he doesn't come back, I have the very distinct feeling Adam's story isn't over.

[@michaelwillis5432]

He wouldn't come back as an actual Imp, since Imps are naturally born instead of the result of sinners dying. He could look a helluva (ha) lot like one though

[@user-AADZ]

Thank you. I've always thought he looks and acts familiar to a famous imp we know from the start

[@friedrice7312]

Would be funny, but also wouldn’t make sense.

[@james739123]

From the highest of the high to the lowers of the low, God is known to have a sense of humour.

[@MrBLUERANGERHERO]

@@michaelwillis5432 Plus, sinners rank above Imps and Hellhounds, which is kind of weird if you think about it. Sinners aren’t born in hell, but, they outrank species that are.

[@idioticbuffoon8960]

Dickmaster was honestly my favorite character from season 1 of hazbin, he was such a fucking entertaining prick

[@helzbelle13]

I cannot express just how much I need Adam to come back as a sinner next season

[@moondivine2288]

Even though he was a sexist pig and mass murderer I was a little disappointed Adam was killed off. There’s still so much we don’t know. Like how his relationship with Eve was. Or Lilith confronting him as this is mostly about Lilith’s daughter putting up with her mom’s toxic ex. Keep in mind the story we hear in the beginning is the one Charlie’s parents told her so, it could be a little biased. Personally I think Adam did eat the apple. And eating it didn’t affect whether he enter heaven or not. Adam would have used it to his defense. I don’t think Adam would come back but, some flashbacks would be nice.

[@WritingNomad-PL]

my brother in christ, adam answered to a woman, had a woman as his most trusted lieutenant, and charged into battle leading women, how in the fuck is he sexist? like, maybe he was when young, but I think it's retarded to say he's sexist. also, if we can forgive vaggie for killing demons, we can forgive adam too.

[@redpanda7914]

Adam was my favorite villain,I really hope we get to see him again in season 2 and get character development

[@whims6278]

My partner and i watched this show again last night and he was like ugh adam sucks but i SO hope they bring him back some how. I hope they find a way to give him a redemption arc, because although he was infuriating he was funny af. GOD i love this show.

[@ObsidianFallen]

Its possible he was actually good when he got there and slowly changed for the worse over time and they just judge him based on off who he was. Hazbin is in the name

[@vectormanforever]

I 100% believe that Adam will have some kind of arc in hell, if only for that fact that there is no way in fucking hell Viv is going to not give Broadway Beetle Juice for chances to sing.

[@10RexTheWolf01]

The real biggest question between Adam and Lilith is why is Lilith mature but Adam isn't? Their is nothing different about or given to them, why did Adam want more?

[@julianhinck5455]

Maybe boath of them were narcissistic pricks. We got the story from Charly and from a book in hell. I wuldent trust the story 100 percent.

[@Marauxias]

Well... are we even sure Lilith is "mature"? Because so far, we only got Charlie's fairy tail (and most likely biased) to go by. And if we factor in that she went missing 7 years and stuck a deal with Adam just to chill at Heaven and abandoning Charlie, maybe she is as "inmature" and egotistical as Adam. Maybe she is a parallel to Adam's toxic masculinity as toxic femininity. We just do not know enough about her.

[@dante_0962]

@@Marauxiasshe’s probably more cunning and strategic but just as horrible but possibly worse.

[@Marauxias]

I feel that would be a good subversion of the viewer's expectation if they actually go that route. Specially as Lilith is as proud and egotistical as Adam based on their own mythos story. @@dante_0962

[@JohnGrandline]

​@@Marauxias I knew she's a monster than good guy because she is a fem1nist

[@solracstormhunter3023]

3:13 THANK YOU for pointing that out! I thought, I was the only one to find this odd. I'm not surprised that he's portrayed as this embodiment of "toxic masculinity", when all the bad guys of the original mythology are portrayed as misunderstood, independent and anti-authoritorian characters. But him being sinful, despite not being the one, who ate the fruit, makes me suspicios, that Eve is gonna be portrayed as the free-thinking, "unjustfully" blamed character.

[@topgames4369]

With how episode 8 cancels what the book in episode 1 says, I think Lilith created that book just to gaslight Charlie, Lucifer and the other sinners into believing that she actually cared about hell and she was the victim in the garden of eden. Which I think she actually never cared about hell, and Adam was a really good person, but then Lilith broke him to the core which caused him to have a really blowing hatred towards her and her sinners. Which also affected his attitude as the first man and a holy figure.

[@JohnGrandline]

"the eyes are the window to the soul", she's a egotistical selfish monster

[@topgames4369]

@@JohnGrandline If the theory of Adam coming back is confirmed, I would like to see his interactions with Lilith or the other characters, I can imagine him creating a new hierarchy of "Fallen Winners", which is at the same level of the Goetias.

[@artfulsam]

Something I wanna hone in on in terms of Adam being potentially complex and pitiable is Sera's mention that Adam is the first human to make it to heaven. That seems reasonable, at first-- he was the first man, he must have been the first death... until you remember the story of Cain and Abel. Now, obviously Bible lore isn't being followed to the letter here, but if the story of Cain and Abel is canon to this universe, the implication that Abel didn't make it into Heaven is really fascinating, and potentially sort of devastating for Adam. This goes into fanfic-ish territory and may be completely off from where the character is going, but stick with me for a moment. Imagine your son being murdered, being not only the first murder victim in all of history, but the first /death/ in all of history. You die many, many years later-- maybe you're the second death-- and you're welcomed into a paradise. Your first instinct would probably be, upon realizing that there's an afterlife, to ask after your murdered son. And they tell you he's not there. There's more than one afterlife, one for the righteous, one for the damned, and he went to the second one. They can't even tell you why, really-- you're the first person to make it up here, after all. All you're told is that they know the judgement of souls is divine and absolute, based on how you lived, and you're alone with these angels who have no answers. Maybe you ask if there's anything your son can do to join you, and you're told that to their knowledge, no, there isn't. If you don't make it to Heaven on your first try, then you are inherently unworthy of ever being there. The rules are black and white, there's no use in trying to fight it. Cain lives an unnaturally long life, but he does die, eventually, and of course he doesn't make it to Heaven. Adam probably isn't surprised by that one, and who knows how he feels about his boy after he murdered Abel, but that doesn't mean he might not have some upsetting or messy emotions about another one of his kids being in Hell. And of course, we have no idea where Eve is, but it's safe to say she's not in Heaven either. There's no mention of any other children of Adam and Eve being in Heaven, but let's just say they don't make it either. Adam is the only person in his family to make it to Heaven, and he can guess why Cain and Eve aren't here, but it still hurts, and when it comes to Abel, he can't come up with any good reason he's in Hell. That's just how things work; he did something his son didn't, he /earned/ it while his son didn't. The "how" and "why" of that doesn't matter, which has been made exceedingly clear to him. It doesn't excuse his actions or his general shitty personality-- this guy still absolutely sucks-- but a lot about Adam suddenly gets a whole lot sadder with this idea. His views on Heaven and Hell are a coping mechanism, of sorts, ESPECIALLY if we go with your idea that he didn't eat from the apple. The /only/ thing that he has to go off of is that he made it because he's the only one in his family who wasn't tainted by Eve's sin. Her sin must have been great enough to taint their sons, even the one who was victimized by sin, and it just fuels this black-and-white thinking and disdain for sinners. If he lets himself think that those in Hell might not belong there, or that they could be redeemed, then he has to grapple with the fact that that's true of his family and that what happened to them, especially Abel, was horrifically unfair. He doesn't want to-- or can't-- grapple with that, so he puts off thinking about the actual actions of the people who make it to Heaven. It's got to be something innate and unchangeable, it /has/ to be, and it makes his fumbling surface-level answers and nervous request for reassurance-- that "... Right, Sera?" that you mentioned-- so much sadder if he's had this level of denial this whole time. And it especially adds some weight to the line "Well, why isn't he here then?" when talking about how Angel is doing everything right. Anyway, leaping off of this, if Adam makes it to Hell-- which he should, otherwise that is a massive missed opportunity-- I want him to meet one or both of his boys. Him finding Cain, Abel or both in Hell could be fascinating and could kickstart a redemption arc, further denial, a breakdown of sorts-- the possibilities are endless but almost all of them would add some depth to this guy, and would be fun to watch.

[@H0r53f7y]

Point a friend of mine and some others have brought up: if Adam is the first man to go to heaven, does Abel not exist in this universe?? Getting back on track, I think the something to consider: although his view is mostly brought on by pessimism, Lucifer brought up the point that after people gained free will, there were many that committed wrongs despite having knowledge of moral standards. Who's to say that if Adam had eaten the fruit, it wouldn't go like when Remy tried explaining to Emile the way he experiences flavor in "Ratatouile", but with more rudeness? Also, while I do love the idea of Adam descending, my big question is how will Lute react to possibly her only friend being a sinner, especially given her rigid views like " Angels don't make mistakes "? Getting

[@wendyheatherwood]

Who says that Abel made it in? He could have been the first man to go to hell.

[@H0r53f7y]

Fair point

[@ziggyzoo9335]

If Adam didn’t eat the apple of knowledge and evil, he doesn’t know what’s good or bad, so he isn’t aware of doing bad things, so he has a clean conscience regardless of what he does, that is then reinforced by him being in heaven. Similar to an animal or a young kid breaking something, it’s bad, but we don’t blame them because they don’t know any better.

[@dante_0962]

With the intro footage of trying to show Adam as “controlling”, but it doesn’t seem like that to me. But more of a child wanting to play with his friend, or he saw something cool. So maybe he thought he was pushing Lilith’s boundaries, so he was more distant with Eve, but that cause her feeling lonely and when Lucifer and Lilith came along they gave her a good reason to leave by eating the forbidden fruit. And since he hasn’t eaten the forbidden fruit, Adam’s mentality couldn’t figure out why they left. Which cause him to be very sexist towards women because he doesn’t have the self awareness to blame himself. Especially created by heaven to be perfect and father all humanity and the woman who were made to be with him left and cause evil and sin. He views them as the bad guys while still thinking he’s perfect since he didn’t abandon his loved ones and eat the fruit.

[@garythstricklen5860]

They show the sinners deserve to be down there. They also show overlords collecting souls makes them more powerful. Thus the purge is completely justified and makes total sense. Even if a soul can be redeemed, that doesn’t mean the overlords won’t get to them first or stop the whole redemption process once it’s a revealed threat to their power. In short, Adam’s personality failures are totally redeemed in his leading the purges and saving all of heaven and maybe even earth from hell taking over. His true failure was the gross incompetence of leaving hoards of angelic weapons scattering hell every year for the overlords to gather. Like come on dude.

[@psycholaw4394]

I feel like no one is addressing the fact Adam supposed crime was the mass killing of sinners residing within the deepest pits of hell Let me rephrase that.. his crime was the eradication of an ever-increasing evil that is threatening the fabric of creation, including the show main goal which is heaven and provenly right considering sir plenteous of all people was redeemed. Giving heaven the moral ground Aren't we ignoring what kind of people live down there or the living condition? Being vanquished sounds like a mercy to be honest

[@wolfsbanealphas617]

Same I thought was the only one who thought

[@wolfsbanealphas617]

We’re becoming like Charlie seeing what is not there

[@Cangeltibon]

😒No. Current events and literal history should make it very evident that genocide isn’t okay. Demonizing a population based on what they think MIGHT happen in the future then preemptively striking doesn’t make you the good guy EVER. And in this show, they literally don’t even know the sorting process of Hell and Heaven they just declare Hell evil and Heaven good. In practice they don’t even limit their slaughter to human sinners they Hell has native born demons who are suppose to be spared during the extermination but Vaggie was expected to kill that Cannibal town child and Lute very obviously looks down on Charlie who’s also a Hell born non sinner.

[@Killswitch-l4h]

Exactly

[@Alina_Schmidt]

The scary thing is how that fits into broader political contexts. Because, that is exactly what authoritarian, fascist or imperialist regimes have said and still say about the people they want to erase by genocide. We don‘t have any reason to belive heaven‘s excuse with „overpopulation“ - they intentionally keep hell down for their own luxury. Heaven works quite well as an analogy for real life nationalists and fascists.

[@makito106]

Adam was entertaining and he was a great singer. I want him to return as sinner just for more screen time

[@Oscarshellhole]

I love adam sm I hope he'll come back 😭 he's my favorite character

[@evildrporker]

My answer is maybe.

[@arandomthingintheabyss2062]

We can all agree that adam has a high chance of coming back

[@jackmack4181]

5:58 reminds me of a line in an amazing song “There’s some devils in heaven, some angels in hell”

[@Trainboi1983]

Was it a KORN song?

[@Argonwolfproject]

I'd love to see Adam become a sinner demon in Season 2. As far as whether he "deserves" to die, that really depends on things we don't and probably won't ever know; namely whether he actually had the capacity for empathy and still chose to go on massive killing sprees or never had a chance of knowing what he was doing was wrong.

[@Not_SARU]

What also is interesting to mention Adam was just spawned as an Adult together with Lilith. He skipped childhood aka the tutorial. Since eden he was playing the Game of Life on Nightmare difficulty. He was spawned a wife( no need to actually discover who he is or how to get to know/and to get along with another person commonly known as the dating phase) and told to populate the earth.... bro didnt even get told basic morality, he skipped all that. Thats why he probably was a less than stellar farther (his kids literally killed another over envy), an even worse husband. How would he? He didnt have any moral guidance as a child or even ate the fruit that lets him magically know good from bad. How is he supposed to know, he was just doing as he was told... and given the ancient times probably kicked the bucket by his 40s at best maybe even earlyer while he got spawned in his 20s... he has the life experience of a 10-20 year old ofc he wouldnt know alot about how the human experience... and given he was then just admitted to heaven by default cuz hes the first guy he did his job. Then one day asked why people go to hell and got told cuz they are bad people so this festered into him going around killing those sinners.... sure a lot of them are awful and unapologetic so they definetly deserve to be there. this also shines a whole new light on "You didnt know" its not just about knowing adam was leading angels into battle to kill a bunch of unapologetic examples of the worst things humanity has created. Its also about Heaven not even knowing the first thing about what it actually means to be good or how these systems work. They know when people get there and just assume ok they are good people. When sinners have a better understanding of what gets them where they are vs what the denizens of the pearly gates get told. Sure you can just not commit any sins or get pardoned by a pope or sth but then they gotta explain Sir pentious. Its very clear on Seras face when he gets spawned right in front of her (likely by the guy in the sky himself as a sort of joke) and his very existance questions their understanding of how these systems actually work especally since god seems to be a higher power than even heaven who are just managing his place. But in favor of heaven you can even argue how they are supposed to know either. Its likely they werent told anything either so they are also going off blind guesses of how things work as well Tldr nobody knows a thing and is tapping in the dark with 0 instructions while tasked with the most important things in creation namely managing the afterlife(s)

[@SansINess53]

hazbin hotel is about second chances but if hazbin hotel will have a season 3, then it should a season where adam will get revived as a sinner and will become a ally for hazbin hotel and help charlie reach her goal even further while also having juicy interactions with nifty (he probably will get PTSD, while nifty is dancing)

[@Satt2A]

Just imagine the plot, Lute seeing Adam in Hell alive, like a sinner...

[@MinglingNO]

I knew he wasn’t as evil as he was made to be once he smiled at that one girl before he died

[@faviodiaz5568]

I really love the idea and potential of this character, however the only thing stopping me from setting my hopes so high is that I heard about Brightman voicing only one character in season two.

[@amethystimagination3332]

I feel like it only makes sense for Adam to come back as a sinner and redeem himself, that’s the whole point of the show, that everyone should be given the opportunity to change.

[@IWasaTeenageTeenWolf]

In a weird way, I think Adam getting stabbed is going to end up being the thing he needs to get his life back in order. Adam acts like someone who's born with a silver spoon and has YEARS of resentment built up from being constantly betrayed to essentially being forced to be a breeder for angels and nothing more. Season 2 is a more Vee season but I think Adam's coming back at the mid-way point or end because he'd want to go home. Probably for Lute since they both cared for each other. It really doesn't make sense to take one of OG Eden for and snuff him out prematurely for a gag. Especially when more than likely it's Eve who's the Root of all Evil.

[@agentwolf5305]

I would love to see Adam come back! But I think it would be better for him to come back at the end of season 2 as a surprise twist cliff hanger or something. Like he just shows up at the hotel maybe confused? It’s taken awhile for him to manifest. I actually love him, and I think the reason why is because he’s oddly consistent in character for Vivzies characters, while also not being completely one note, and I believe there’s something good in there. I also think it would be better for Adam to not eat the apple of knowledge when Eve told him to not cuz “she’s just an ignorant chic” but “because father(god)/the angles told us not to” which would bring us right to the “don’t steal” on Adam’s list.

[@HaughtyToast]

The idea of him not having eaten the fruit would be an interesting twist.

[@cofagrigusfan24]

while I would like to see him being explored more I doubt it simply because he was stabbed by an Angellic Weapon those things cause perma-death

[@robbieking4070]

Yeah, that’s my problem with the theory too. The only way they could possibly bring Adam back would be if his soul was different for being the original man created by the Seraphim whilst all other human souls came from him and Eve. Maybe, just maybe they could use that as a reason, but it would still be difficult to justify without contradicting the lore.

[@taddad2641]

Or they cause what the angels THINK is permadeath. they have extremely limited knoweldge about how things actually work. I imagine that ser pentious dying to an angelic beam is the same as a sinner or angel dying to an angelic blade. Not to mention that alastor was almost killed by Adam's axe to begin with, something MADE of the same angelic power.

[@kabengeleobel2132]

ANGELIC weapon, AGELIC power. Not a big difference

[@WritingNomad-PL]

he technically bled out, and we don't know shit about how anything actually works.

[@Metaknight145]

The thing that really annoyed me about Adam is: why is he a frat boy? How the hell does a caveman turn into a frat boy in heaven?

[@tomsparrow1823]

The best thing that could come out of Adam in the hotel is him and lucifer having a rivalry that they put aside to dunk on Alastor together.

[@ladytsuki6652]

I love your videos, I love the way you explain things from your own perspective.

[@zerogoodcontent7293]

2:34 I still think the story of Lilith, Lucifer, Adam and Eve has no been shown in it’s true form and is just Lilith/Lucifers interpretation/memory of the events not caring what Adam’s side or even Eve’s side of the story is

[@real_live_gem_stones]

I would be pretty disappointed if Adam doesn't get a chance to be redeemed and maybe even learn what love is and realize that he likes Lute

[@Livingshadow2009]

No. he was a dick, but not evil. yeah, he didn't really care he was killing demons, BUT he was literally under Sera's orders, so if anything she is the bad one. just because she has an adorable sister (Emily) it does not excuse her decisions. she is the one who decided that sinners needed to be culled in order to keep hells numbers down/weaken them. If anything, I think Adams death will end up with either him being brought back as a demon, or Sera herself being cast down-not only did her Decision get the 'first man' killed, but charlie has proven sinners can be redeemed so...Sera is responsible for all those demons souls being erased. Note: Yes, it was adams IDEA, but Adam also says people should be worshiping his nuts so...if he's not listened to then, why anyone listen to his extermination idea? They would if they fully agree with it. Sera is the leader, and what happens now, fully depends on what choice she makes. Will she continue the extermination? because lets face it. Demons like Valentino are not going to change, and are perfectly happy living their sinful life, and enjoy causing others pain. Many more demons are like him. Sera Still might think the exterminations are needed. Charlie can not save everyone and Adam is right about the majority of demons: they are in hell for a reason.

[@RaindropsBleeding]

Sera may have issued the order but she literally states that it was Adam's idea.

[@DragonGoddess18]

​@@RaindropsBleeding Yeah. Adam really enjoyed killing sinners regardless of how the Extermination started in the first place

[@MrBLUERANGERHERO]

Yeah, Sera’s definitely the one in the wrong. The majority of sinners are self-centered and largely apathetic and as such would never be able to form an effective fighting force. Not to mention that the damned cannot leave Hell to wage war in the first place. Hellborn demons have legitimate ways of leaving Hell, such as Stolas' grimoire or Asmodean Crystals. But, the Sinners can't even leave the Pride Ring, let alone lay siege to the pearly gates. Indeed, the only way Heaven can suffer any casualties at all is when the angels go down to Hell. In short, Sera was paranoid for no reason at all.

[@soldyrkare5790]

I guess were gonna ignore the fact that he was self centered, compassionless, disrespectful and rude, and didn't care about anybody but himself and his own status. thats pretty evil.

[@MrBLUERANGERHERO]

@@soldyrkare5790 No, I acknowledge those points. But, the fact that someone like him got into Heaven proves not only how broken the soul sorting system is, but, Sera’s own cowardice, too. She doesn’t attempt to fix anything.

[@jare3459]

I understand why he want to pure all of pride ring of hell. Like someone kill one of his angles and that info too dangerous to them to let be. (But no one can argue with me on fact it was stupid for him not tell his troops about this when they lunch their attack.)

[@SansINess53]

people actually have empathy with alastor but they won't try to even listen to adam's dialogue or behavior but instead focus on the fact of him being a villain.

[@ChristopherAmelin]

Adam lost both of his wife to the same person and it makes you think why his being a jerk and hates hell so much, and I'm also surprised that he didn't kill charlie when they first meet like shes the daughter of the guy that took both of his wives