Did Arsenal Get Robbed? (Arsenal 1-1 Brighton Reaction)

[@K.Kabelo]

the problem with this kind of situation is that, rather than being united to fight this kind of refereeing that ruins the game for everyone, rival fans are influenced by football tribalism to support adverse decision that go against their rivals. we all lose including those who gaslight everyone here because as long as this kind of thing isn't stamped out there is nothing that will prevent it affecting the you support sooner or later

[@justincosing5227]

Exactly! Couldn’t have said it better myself

[@sundayosita588]

Very correct 💯

[@cerb12]

doesn’t matter they hate us we hate them f coming together

[@salehr8770]

“It’s tradition for arsenal fans to cry”

[@buster3465]

That's what football is mate. It's all about tribalism. If you don't like it, I don't think football is for you.

[@BillyG598]

Saw this comment from another fan: In relation to the referee; This is how they sneak bias through. Officiate in the strictest possible “by the book” way for the team you want to fuck over while ignoring the same infringements for the other side. Gives plausible deniability while still tipping the scales.

[@IAmThatBit--]

Brighton have had 3 games. They should have lost all 3. But refs have red carded players in two of the games and disallowed goals as well

[@wasabijones4571]

facts

[@DamirKasun13]

Compare Declan's red card with Kovacic not getting one last season against Arsenal 😂

[@MCFCTheMadHatter]

Or the hand ball that should’ve been called on Martin O vs LFC when he went down in the box and purposely moved the ball with his hand and no penalty was given to LFC?

[@snookerstones]

What’s the relevance between the 2?

[@cartiersabu]

@@MCFCTheMadHatterI love when people mention this but never mention how EVERYONE was slipping that entire game because Anfield’s field is a fucking slip & slide… Odegaard’s “handball” was forgiven by the referee because he understood he slipped due to field conditions

[@man.q]

​@@cartiersabulousy excuse, handball is handball, regardless of the weather.

[@MotionFlix101]

Different rules this season

[@solo2873]

Not even an arsenal fan but come on, no need for fancy language and nuance. That was an absolute howler from the ref. Also parteys performance 😵‍💫

[@keelinbester7827]

The ball was literally still rolling so even if Declan didn’t touch the ball it would’ve been unplayable

[@Klad714]

Then shouldn’t of touched it if he didn’t touch it he would of still been on the field

[@SASMADBRUV7]

But that's why it's rice's fault. All he had to do was leave it and it would have been pulled back. But kicking the ball away means he did the foul first

[@NoooTheWall32]

@@Klad714then their should be 15+ minutes of stoppage time every game and every player on the field should have a yellow card by the end of the game

[@Klad714]

@@NoooTheWall32 Rice tried to stop a quick free kick that’s nearly always a yellow. The ref doesn’t give absolutely everything and teams know this and use it to their advantage especially when wasting time knowing it won’t be added on. Arsenal twist the rules and use this to their advantage all the time so they do know what they can get away with. Silly risk for rice to take he looks and the ball and moves it to prevent a quick free kick

[@vinnyvediveci5715]

@@Klad714 The Brighton player is trying to kick the ball into Rice, he's not trying to take a free kick. Rice nudges the ball out of the way before he can get the ball kicked at him, if anything it's self defence, there is NO thought of taking a free kick in either player's minds.

[@skorge987987]

disgraceful refreering, pedro boots the ball away in the first half, no yellow, hinshelwood drags back saka as he's about to stroll into the box unmarked, no yellow

[@yonh5350]

Lyes bro ain’t no need to think about it a long time, it’s never a yellow let alone a 2nd yellow, like you said there is nuance and feel of the game every good ref has that seems to be lacking massively in the Prem

[@TheShayDaddy]

The ball never stopped moving, veltman can’t take a quick free kick on a moving ball. So, by the letter of the law, it’s the wrong decision.

[@tlotlegokok9202]

Rice should have learned from the King of Dark Arts Dani Carvajal in the Euros

[@nishchaychauhan8814]

He did learn tbh.. the way he was rolling on the ground.. he knew what he was doing

[@Qlicky]

@@nishchaychauhan8814 He still had nothing on Brighton's player's rolling on the ground. I hope the guy Rice touched with his tackle survived the game. It looked like he would never play football again. Such was the ferocity of Rice brushing his leg.

[@solo2873]

The level of officiating is just horrible in this league, that is the truth

[@blurryflex]

Brighton were ass until it was 11v10

[@upthealbion]

That’s not a surprise we were ass in the first half against United and Everton so not that odd that we did the same against arsenal

[@blurryflex]

@@upthealbion second half started the same as the first half ended tho

[@upthealbion]

@@blurryflex Yh that’s what I’m saying took us like 55 minutes against United to start playing football and against Everton it was round 30, against Arsenal we were pretty poor until the 50th minute (which was when rice got carded) I’m not saying the red didn’t help but I’m saying we were always gonna start playing better because we had the same problem in the first two games.

[@blurryflex]

@@upthealbion Ye true both teams weren't that good, but Brighton had really no threat at goal until Rice went off unless if I'm wrong

[@upthealbion]

@@blurryflex nah Arsenal looked great before rice went off we looked poor but like I said I expected that going into the game because we did the same the last two games

[@zacharymitchell8010]

Dude the ball was tossed at rice to begin with, like it hit him in the back of heel then looked down and just notched it away. The Brighton player just wanted to kick him

[@jivet3919]

Nobody, not even the people who think it was a clear 2nd yellow, was expecting a 2nd yellow when they saw it in live time.

[@donnearendse5645]

great analysis as per usual big up lyes

[@YxngLukes]

rice got sent off cuz he tried to make the "TOP 10 RESPECT MOMENTS IN FOOTBALL" compilation.. wild

[@prettyboyniko8273]

😂😂😂😂insane

[@hirhirr]

you are very spot on! Yes i do agree it was very poor from rice but at the same time plsss some consistency reffff!!

[@eithanash80]

Lyles I can think of at least 5 occasions on which the same ref has given arsenals reds for shit that doesn’t make sense

[@kenn4660]

Referees let if go if you kick the ball away before the opponent player has touched or placed the ball down to take a freekick, but if the opponent player places the ball down and you kick it away it's almost a certain Yellow, but they allow you to get away with fouls and you run with the ball away to stop a quick freekick and then throw the ball back towards the opponent, but if you throw it away or interfere when they have placed the ball it's a certain Yellow and that's what happened with Rice

[@lukefaccenda1467]

The ball was moving and the free kick wasnt in the right place. Never a yellow. Wild.

[@SASMADBRUV7]

But that's why it's rice's fault. All he had to do was leave it and it would have been pulled back. But kicking the ball away means he did the foul first

[@vinnyvediveci5715]

@@SASMADBRUV7 This is a non-sequitur, he was booked for "preventing a free kick", and there was no free kick opportunity, so he was wrongly booked. End of story. Also joao pedro booted the ball after the whistle had blown into row z. Should he not have been booked then?

[@NicolaasvanRijn]

@@vinnyvediveci5715 Well said, Vinny. Gonna have to give the lad some time to look up the meaning of the words you used :D

[@simonpaul9654]

From the first time he kicked it into rice, it’s either he already took a quick free kick and it hits rice and goes out of play or the ball is iforward of where the foul happened and still rolling!

[@Mberrybb]

The ball isn’t in play as it’s veltmans free kick, rice delayed play and should have been know where the ball.both players were playing the system and veltman won. 100 percent a yellow.

[@flickchic238]

Brighton always start really well and then they just lose momentum. By mid-season, Arsenal and United will be getting the 3 points over them

[@shaunparimoo142]

They had so many injuries… you’ll see this season

[@wasabijones4571]

doesnt matter city will win when other contenders get f*cked by refs

[@GoonerDejv]

Have the whole word lost their mind, HE DIDNT interfeer, stopped the momentum or any such thing. If anything he,s actually speeding things up by stopping the ball that at that moment was rolling away from the brighton player. If the ball was set and rdy to start play then its one thing but it wasnt even close. With this ule application and all these "letter of the law" maniacs then we could LITTERALLY have a game of dodge ball every moment the whistle blows

[@paulestrada2770]

You should talk, United just got slapped by Liverpool and this is a Liverpool that only bought 2 players compared to United's 5...Ten Hag basically relying on his former Ajax team to get him through

[@Emperor-Inker]

The 2nd yellow essentially was given because Rice self reported himself by openly acknowledging on the pitch before the game ended that he kicked the ball away, if he didn't do that & allowed his team to create a issue with the ref then he probably would have gotten away with it. If this did happen though Arsenal players probably would have been given a yellow or more for surrounding the ref.

[@dukeowusu8841]

Partey ain't at fault because Rice's first instict is to always drive recklessly into space. Rice's first yellow is on no one but himself. The second yellow is just a robbery

[@SimplySociable]

just a question, When did you last hear a decision go against City?

[@willmgbam1630]

If you watch it happen you can hear Minteh say: "that's another yellow card, no?" And the. The referee pulls that thing out smg

[@lordvader6378]

The ball was still moving so when veltman kicked it it would have been brought back. So no yellow.

[@ace11th]

partey i think now has to become a substitute player he doesnt have the tank for a full 90 anymore also another player i think got off easy was trossard love him but he cant start a game for us also a better as a sub this game also showed how much ground rice covers for us

[@sympa_is_misanthropic]

Love you bro but God in heaven, THEY NEED A STRIKER.

[@AjeetSingh-xq4yb]

Joao Pedro kicked the ball way further causing a much longer delay, yet Rice got punished and he didn't. Completely shocking decision by the ref. I dont get how the standards get worst every season.

[@TheShyArmy]

Points lost like this by shitty referees is what ruins PL having different champions

[@wasabijones4571]

then they complain why man city win the league all the time

[@jacobs3722]

If you rivals here are happy to receive reds for that , this is gonna be an hectic season

[@olo2539]

Ultimately arsenal were on the same points as last year, me personally we drew with Aston Villa 1-1 with rice red and beat Brighton 2-0

[@wasabijones4571]

?

[@adriangar1629]

Joa Pedro didn’t stop or slowed down the momentum of the game when he kicked the ball Rice did bro cmon ,

[@sundayosita588]

Stop smoking bad weed, the ball was already out and it was a throw in to Arsenal and he booted it out of the stadium

[@zenkelpy6259]

he did stop the throw in from being taken quickly which is the exact same situation

[@CelabWilliams-gb6rm]

This is the most biased take. No way Declan stopped the game longer than pedro.

[@joshh3583]

Letter of the law is ball was already in play when Veltman kicked it at rice to try and gain a few yards Common sense should have been used and let everyone play on

[@saki1333]

It wasn't in play, the ball didn't stop and there was no whistle

[@ikw2828]

The ball is still rolling anyways so its an improper restart AND veltman rolled it forward 5 ft from where the whistle was blown... But, if we're keeping it consistent, a yellow needs to be given to every single player delaying a restart even though we all know it wont

[@barbarycorsair8473]

Didn't Martinelli get a yellow card last season for throwing the ball while he was off the pitch?! Arsenal play this dark art but we're not good at it simple as that!

[@AdesayoElumaro]

are you going to react to barca's huge win or real madrid's poor start to the season?

[@AdesayoElumaro]

damn nvm i just saw the barca win reaction

[@trevorstatham4451]

Only Jeremy Swaz Lynch can save Arsenal now

[@gentlejohn28]

Context the ball is still rolling… all the technical information matters when it comes to the EPL refs.

[@Adam-Saied]

You going to make a video about the sancho transfer?

[@LyesClips]

yessir coming out tomorrow

[@Rwambulla]

Mancity never get these horrendous decisions if anything they seemed to get soft penalties in games last season.

[@MylesB93-]

Joao Pedro is going places man

[@mazzarati5009]

To hell most likely

[@thesmilingtitan]

If Declan hadnt fallen down Ref would've let it go. But if you ask yellow card for the Beighton player, youll then investigae why did he end up hitting Declan. Coz he rolled the ball. Like the only 2 outcomes were, either both dont get a card kr both do

[@sajanshah2777]

I think we need to start normalising the fact that similar fouls should be treated in different ways based on the context of the game, position of the foul, time of the match, player committing the foul etc. You can take long for a set piece in minute 5 and not be penalised compared to 90. If you’ve given a team warnings about fouling a particular player. The next foul could be a booking regardless of the fact that others were worse cuz a warning was given etc. Refrees should be able to give different decisions. The game is too subjective. There’s not always a perfectly agreeable solution.

[@Ramjet164]

You are suggesting making decisions more subjective to try and solve decisions being subjective. Crazy talk

[@sajanshah2777]

@@Ramjet164 I’m saying this is a subjective sport at times. You can’t force objectivity. Some decisions are ridiculous no doubt. But I think if you loosen the rules a bit on decision, it might make it overall better.

[@Ramjet164]

@@sajanshah2777 yeah I don’t think that’d help. We need to get grey areas out of the game not include more. The refs opinion shouldn’t be a factor imo. The only thing that should matter are the rules. Otherwise you’ll have more decisions given one game that went in another and that is what annoys everyone.

[@mariosmentality]

thoughts on mason greenwood on france rn??

[@marcus8030]

Rice has been shit since the euros but now we blaming Partay 😂😂😂😂

[@houradm.419]

Rice made the whole situation worse by yelling and rolling around and all player came together so when situations is like that always there is some cards

[@AFCbirmsy]

Rice should have just joke slammed veltman, grabbed his arse, clothes lined him, elbowed him in the head, then tried a two footer, that way he would have stayed on the pitch, because all of these are perfectly ok, but nudging a moving ball that would have been hoofed down the field then brought back has 'stopped the flow of the game'. But also by the letter of the law was taken from the wrong place to. Two tier refereeing. Had the pedro one been a booking prior, unlikely rice does what he does as it's in the back of his head. We then saw it in every game after and no bookings.

[@prajwalshakya6564]

How can it be a quick free kick when the ball is still on motion

[@arsenesson8033]

First off it was a really soft foul on Veltman but sure whatever. Secondly Veltman touches the ball with his foot so ”by the letter of the law” the ball should’ve been in play. Thirdly the ball rolls in to Rice so he nudges it. And lastly the ball was still rolling while Veltman started swinging and even if the ball was there he would’ve kicked Rice. I hate when teams are kicking the ball away/keeping it when the opposition has a foul. I don’t believe that it should be a yellow but if it is then we should start by penalizing clear time wasting instead. If yellows are given out at every moment when someone touches the ball then betting will never be easier

[@arsenesson8033]

Holy fuck I yapped

[@thetruth4654]

Arsenal missed a lot of chances, so it`s on Arsenal that they didn`t win that game. but knowing Arsenal fans they`ll blame it on the ref, when it`s really on them for losing points that game, even if the ref made a mistake. Arsenal isn`t going to beat City this season. City are on fire already and they don`t even have Rodri and Foden back jet

[@buramajatta]

Partey is a liability. I can’t wait until Rice gets moved back to the 6. He is wasted higher up the pitch

[@sneakytacos773]

Arsenal perform better in the chase imo. Better they don’t lead the table this year. Supreme bottlers

[@jimwilson-kl2xs]

No, Rice flicked ball away, yellow card, red card.

[@inhok5190]

there’s one team you didn’t mention when you said everybody thinks there’s an agenda against them, and it’s the one team who constantly gets the calls in their favor and wins the league every year because of it. That’s the problem, City will get a penalty for a handball similar to dunk’s in the first half sometime this year and win 3 points because of it you can bookmark this. Or won’t get a guy sent off for this exact reason. Oh and guess where The ref for this game is from… it’s getting way too obvious

[@Prime1Wunna]

City get bad calls again them, just because they’re head and shoulders above everyone they don’t suffer as much

[@HimshailChauhan]

@@Prime1Wunnagive 1 example. I can give 3 for arsenal btw.

[@Prime1Wunna]

@@HimshailChauhan Rodri red card last season Grealish through on goal during the last seconds vs spurs at home last season There’s plenty of examples but they win most games…

[@adriangar1629]

Yall need to stop using the word rob , arsenal still had chances before and after Rices red they just couldn’t finish them

[@elozinoemeovrode9779]

You my friend are a one of the morons watching this league with am agenda arsenal won’t be in that situation if the referee can do his job

[@FootyExtravaganza]

And Brighton only scored because of the red card…

[@Gianni225]

facts

[@tristenchan2253]

Look at the match stats before and after the red card

[@sundayosita588]

Without the red card it would have been easier to get a second goal and Brighton wouldn't have scored

[@buramajatta]

The game is gone

[@Ramjet164]

Simply no

[@khaledx15]

hahah all the teams feel like they have an agenda against them…except….city. Lol

[@otuyemitobi5189]

You can’t win the league with havertz.

[@olo2539]

By letter of the law, you cannot take a free kick while the ball is in motion, when you start going by the letter of the law that’s when these occasions arise, common sense must be used, no one wants these yellow cards, because it will come for you next

[@ammarbaagu]

two wrong doesn't make a right. If Rice didnt interfere at all, the play would've been pulled back. But in the end, he did recklessly (because he was literally on a yellow) decided to kick the ball away with the intention to stop a quick free kick, because by that point, the quick free kick hasn't been taken.

[@ForzaMilan-di2zd]

Rice robbed Arsenal no one else

[@h3nder]

English refs are so bad I feel bad for yall

[@EscaAE]

I'm not an Arsenal fan but I genuinely believe that if Rice didn't drop then he wouldn't have gotten a 2nd yellow. After all the players grouped up around him, it almost felt like the referee felt pressured into giving a yellow because the situation has been escalated by players

[@hugoenzo2444]

@@EscaAE stupidest shit Ive read

[@Vloggmedkendis4r]

Talk about barcas win please 7-0

[@footyeditso66]

talk about how real madrid are selling rn

[@donjojo4756]

what happened???

[@footyeditso66]

@@donjojo4756 i believe they have drawn 2 games and mbappe is sorta flopping although its early so idk

[@bronzy9826]

​@footyeditso66 we've drawn 2 games against bad teams and been consistently outplayed throughout. No one is in form

[@SASMADBRUV7]

​@bronzy9826 the fact as well that you don't expect a player of mbappe's quality to be needing time to settle in, he should just perform

[@bronzy9826]

@SASMADBRUV7 oh bro mbappe should get booed if he goes 4 games without scoring. It's just been all round borderline disgraceful the lack of effort I'm seeing from 90% of the team.

[@jahiomonooc4766]

This guy doesn’t know anything

[@lukv2]

They can’t really penalize Joao Pedro for that because the whistle hadn’t gone so he could’ve not realized that the ball was off the pitch

[@H-hz4hl]

He definitely knew it was off the pitch

[@timmyjoshua276]

​​@@H-hz4hl that's the point you have to be clever and rice got caught

[@lukv2]

@@H-hz4hl yes but the ref has to assume he didnt because the whistle hadnt gone yet

[@largenanashagger]

Ball still rolling, rice directly infront of him, unaware where he was, veltman has no reason to take the kick. Unaware rice turns around and toes the ball out, gets booted in the leg, gets sent off.

[@rubentrujillo1572]

PGMOL has to expedite the integration of non-Manchester based refs. It's been going on too long.

[@kd5973]

Brighton didn’t get a clear corner in the first half. That could have lead to a goal. The officials are just crap. It’s not an agenda against Arsenal or whatever. They’re just bad. There are zero consequences for a bad performance, they just get given a game the next week and everyone forgets. It was so refreshing in the euros when the games weren’t about the ref every single time and then the English refs come along and their games had controversies. The issue is the PGMOL is a boys club and they now have an “us against them” mentality. The whole thing needs to be stripped and rebuilt. Bring in foreign refs who don’t have this weird allegiance to each other and start from scratch. Get Howard Webb out too.

[@victorsomosu123]

If that is a foul by Rice, then I expect to see this enforced every game. Because so many people want to use the "letter of the law" arguments, then Joao Pedro should have have gotten a yellow too. Veltman also obviously had no intention of playing a free kick. You can see him intentionally roll the ball towards Rice, then wack him, the ball was also too far from the foul spot, it was still moving, Rice was way too close and in the way, so by the letter of the law "free kick" was never even valid, as it would have had to been retaken. I don't think we can use this Red card as an excuse though, we should have won that game. We had multiple chances, even when one man down.

[@SASMADBRUV7]

But that's why it's rice's fault. All he had to do was leave it and it would have been pulled back. But kicking the ball away means he did the foul first before veltman could be penalized.

[@vinnyvediveci5715]

@@SASMADBRUV7 Copy pasting the same comment everywhere is lazy jobless behaviour my dude.

[@timmyjoshua276]

​@@vinnyvediveci5715 because you guys don't want to see his point, but I get it, it sucks

[@Guestownedu]

It's not an agenda against arsenal, united, chelsea, spurs, wolves, liverpool etc specifically. But it is an agenda in benefit of man city.

[@EstetWorld]

That's why they gave a red card to Rodri last season and got him suspended for three games. Because there is an agenda in favor of City. Get a grip.

[@houradm.419]

If rice didn't play it like that..he was playing it to get a red for the brithon player so he made the moment more tense and that forced referee to dish out cards..in that situation always it's a red you don't look at the whole incident

[@chelseafan1692]

Joao Pedro was trying to keep the ball in play and stop it from going out

[@zenkelpy6259]

trying to keep the ball in play by hoofing it to the other teams goalie? be honest with urself

[@sundayosita588]

Stop waffling dude

[@Majinbilal]

@@sundayosita588cry assenal fan

[@saki1333]

😂

[@Klad714]

Clear second yellow can’t see the debate. Rice clearly tries to delay the restart of the game

[@85closed]

The ball was still rolling when he tried to take the free kick, thats all you need to know lol

[@snookerstones]

Whether you think it’s a red or not - he’s asked the ref a question - always a risky thing to do.

[@BrokeTeenager]

you’re not lying about partey he’s not at his 22/23 level any more

[@rebelspoon]

Sorry how have you not mentioned Veltman not getting a red for literally cynically kicking a player (Rice) no attempt to play the ball. Not even a yellow for veltman. Yet rice tapping the ball 50cm is a yellow, violent conduct is not. You discuss the one incident that is given, but no the other one which shouldve been reviewed by var and wasnt. Imo the kick out at rice is undefendable, clear red for violent conduct. Non given calls deserve as much if not more discussion than given calls. You could argue rice should get a yellow for it, but not even mentioning that it should've been a red for veltman is wild. Should've been 10v10 if your being harsh, both veltman and rice staying on a yellow if you are reasonable. Not biased either btw, united fan.

[@SASMADBRUV7]

You're wrong. Veltman was trying to kick the ball but rice kicking it moved it out the way. You can't just stop momentum like that

[@rczii7821]

⁠@@SASMADBRUV7bs, you really thing he was trying to take a quick free kick while the ball was moving when the free kick was by their own corner flag??

[@timmyjoshua276]

​@@rczii7821 yes a quick long ball, arsenal are leading 1-0 by the way, the ball could have stopped but we will never know cause rice kicked it

[@rczii7821]

@@timmyjoshua276 Quick long ball? He was the one that originally kicked it to rice🤣🤣rice turned his back at first and walked off, if he wanted to take a quick free kick he would have kicked it from the original spot straight away. Good mental gymnastics though👍

[@timmyjoshua276]

@@rczii7821 nope it doesn't have to be on the same spot to be considered quick, hence he rolls it Infront of him to give himself a run up, if on the same spot to has to take a step back to actually kick it That's not.the point anyway rice was stupid and that's it

[@hugoenzo2444]

“The letter of the law” is such a weird saying, tf did the letter of the law go in the first half when Brighton players stopped the flow of the game like 3 times.

[@fugaziishime]

The red card was tough,but brighton were dominating that team. Iam lovin it😂

[@marcus8030]

11:58 Notice how Rice gets two yellow offers nothing in the game offensively or defensively and Partay is now getting the blame. Rice can hide in daylight. This is crazy