The problem with playing tank is not the lack of “Tankiness”. It is the counter swapping meta, and the uneven power balance of the roles due to a single tank. People with much louder voices than mine have said it plenty of times.
@sparquisdesadeАй бұрын
its now worth just taking the ban and leaving the game if your tank swaps incorrectly
@schnoogadooga6720Ай бұрын
We didn't ask to make tanks better. We asked for them to be fun again
@paulmacrath8985Ай бұрын
Yeah a lot of these reviewers seem to be missing the point just as much as Blizzard. No one was asking for Tanks to be better. They just wanted them to be enjoyable to play again. The problem is when you are the only tank you are the main target most of the time, if your team is not on point your game is guaranteed to be unenjoyable. The fix to the problem of tanks not being fun is simple. Add a second tank.
@dartanyandrinkallАй бұрын
I feel like blizzard are catering to tank players for one last patch until they swithc to 6v6 cuz this is insane
@lordlunchmoneyАй бұрын
People keep saying that, but most tank mains that I know of, including myself, never wanted buffs for each and every tank. We wanted the forced endless counterswapping to be gotten rid of. And honestly, counter swapping only exists due to, at the absolute MOST, half of the tank roster plus a few of the supports. We just needed changes there, not having tank v tank being a battle of biblically accurate angels vs demons.
@Mikoyo52Ай бұрын
If they would go back to 6v6 its going to take a long ass time to fix all the heroes for 6v6
@duvvlyАй бұрын
Delusional
@angelgoku00Ай бұрын
Honestly I agreee, but the Rein buff is needed for the shield biff
@sparquisdesadeАй бұрын
ppl didn't want tanks better, they wanted them to feel fun
@BigPro1123Ай бұрын
Can’t wait for dps to get buffed because tanks aren’t dying then they will buff support to keep tanks alive better and the repeat the cycle
@tombra3059Ай бұрын
Now even I am seeing this 💭
@paulmacrath8985Ай бұрын
Has always been that way. What Blizzard calls balancing most rational people would call endless neurotic tinkering. It's like watching Ruxin trying to set his lineup in The League. Seriously how many years do you need to decide on a characters kit? So many Overwatch day 1 heroes are still be tinkered with to this day. I thought it would change when Jeff Kaplan finally left the team. But his replacement is even worse it seems.
@JesusIsELOHIMАй бұрын
Overwatch 2 was ruined when 6v6 was removed
@BigPro1123Ай бұрын
They remove 6v6 change almost nothing and get surprised when nothing fits the game 🤯
@mcpartydogj7025Ай бұрын
I wouldn’t complain if they put 6v6 in arcade so ppl can have a taste of double tank
@PunchM3Ай бұрын
Another problem is the insane amount of aoe sustain within the game now that gives value for little input or skill.
@Robtop-ml4svАй бұрын
Real
@andrewccmcn2643Ай бұрын
Please give one good reason why ow2 was ruined by becoming 5v5. Lets go to 6v6 and play orisa mauga and start fighting like apes. Or better go ahead and start doing a ram rein brawl cuz that will be better
@coldshot1611Ай бұрын
It seems like the devs can't find that middle sweet spot for the tank role with this 5v5 format its either they are really strong at the cost of the other roles or they become very weak at the cost of the tank role itself. If you can't find a solution since the game came out they have to admit the mistake of changing the format of 6v6 to 5v5 its clearly not working as they intended to work.
@Pauldoran1966Ай бұрын
You know it’s a good day when bro you wack uploads
@daviddiett2168Ай бұрын
It was already pretty bad for the identity of whatever "Tank" means nowadays and the healing being unable to keep up with all the pressure. Now they've somehow made it worse.
@mr.adiicted9704Ай бұрын
Yup i said the same thing, now it's up to tank if the team wins or not
@UberCrozАй бұрын
It will always either be a tank determined game or a game where it sucks to play tank as long as it's 5v5. OW devs need to just give it up already with these ridiculous patches trying to make it work with 1 tank and just GO BACK TO 6V6
@imperialdra-mon5907Ай бұрын
you cant complain about rein he is only playble now with all these buffs
@MichaelJones-rz5swАй бұрын
All this patch did was make tanks more of a pain the ass to deal with.
@ace52387Ай бұрын
why do the tanks do so much fucking damage. they should have buffed survivability, nerfed damage, nerfed utility. tanks cant do the most damage, be unkillable and have the best team support abilities.
@noktiferАй бұрын
Welcome to 5v5 buddy. Tanks were actually killable and it wasn’t godzilla vs king kong in ow1
@ace52387Ай бұрын
@@noktifer nah game has to work 5v5 or die. cant have 10 min qp queues.
@noktiferАй бұрын
@@ace52387 then don’t complain about tanks 🤣 as long as 5v5 is in the game, tanks will be raid bosses.
@ace52387Ай бұрын
@@noktifer other games have similarly split roles, without 2-2-2 and arent this asymmetrical.
@heaven3218Ай бұрын
Played open roles comp and have had every team have 3 tanks at least love the love for tanks but sheesh.
@MilesrgomezАй бұрын
I mean there is a reason role queue exists because tanks will be used over dps
@tszyuk3861Ай бұрын
It’s genius how dev team adds back double shield without adding back double shield
@rainbowdash4898Ай бұрын
So what you’re saying is that the tank is acting as the enemy boss. I thought that was the whole point of 5v5.
@voodude1074Ай бұрын
Hot take: people complained about tanks in 6v6 days as well, and going back to that wouldn't fix the perceived problem. They switched to 5v5 partly because people hated playing tank and it messed with queue times. Bottom line is people are still playing because deep down they know it's not a big deal and the game is a blast. If it was really as bad as players act, it would be dead and the complainers wouldn't be commenting on videos like this because they wouldn't be playing the game. If you want a game where everyone is just as easy to kill as everyone else, an asymmetrical hero shooter isn't for you because that's the point of a tank.
@boristhebulletdgrАй бұрын
Testing team smoking crack to let this go through
@extoferАй бұрын
They did do it in multiple patches. What are you talking about? This patch is the worst by far but just 2 patches ago, they were buffing tanks. The problem is that nobody wants raid bosses as tanks. And the more they do these patches where the power creep turns into a power sprint, the more 6v6 seems like it needs to be brought back.
@ourikcАй бұрын
I know queue times were awful in ow1 but it feels like they can’t balance the tanks with only one tank. Either they’re too tanky and the other roles hate it or they’re too brittle and the tank players hate it. With two tanks one could be less good/meta but since they weren’t alone it didn’t feel as bad
@juanhidalgo12Ай бұрын
can they not admit 5v5 DOESNT WORK FOR THE TANK ROLE AT ALL. THEYVE TRIED EVERYTHING SO LETS GO BACK TO 6V6 NOW BLIZZARD
@lrainwater1608Ай бұрын
Tanks didn’t need buffs. They were strong. Tank was just unbearable to play as because every other role has abilities that make tanks useless and the constant counter switching on tank
@JaxtaxthegreatАй бұрын
As a genji a the supports to get the tanks now if I do it or not I do nothing
@jeureeka552Ай бұрын
As an afterthought maybe they may tanks overly powerful that way the people who play the Optimus Prime skin can feel awesome. I had the same thought with the genji buff and the mythic skin when OverWatch 2 came out. It could be part of their design philosophy
@jeureeka552Ай бұрын
I still think the ACTUAL FIX is healing has more value on tanks. So they only feel more tanky when the healer is prioritizing them witch promotes synergy
@playstation.e7703Ай бұрын
A godzilla and kong reference during transformers?
@overwatchfan8204Ай бұрын
They might do a hot fix to the tanks because this is kinda ridiculous because of how strong mauga is AGAIN
@xenoblade1068Ай бұрын
Remember when we were gonna get a campaign? Good times.
@Clutch4IceCreamАй бұрын
Scrap overwatch 2 bring back the game balance at the final seasons of overwatch 1 and re add the characters from overwatch 2 with new balance in mind.
@milesgoudy2399Ай бұрын
Like the buffs. Just bring 6v6 back and OW2 is mostly golden aside from PVE.
@johnsmith-ol9qjАй бұрын
The sentiment at 2:37 is flawed. You can't even get to the backline with the dive champs because they are so heavily nerfed. Not to mention supports got buffed to the moon previous to the tank TRT session so there's no point to the dps role unless you are cracked at which point you might as well play ana or illari since they are just dps with heal passives at this point.
@cuteanimebabeuwu641Ай бұрын
W vid Bro also what time you streaming tonight?
@hillwoop9101Ай бұрын
This patch really feels like the last patch of 5v5.
@AXL.Ай бұрын
I love coming back to this channel from time to time, I haven't play OW for years!! But this channel brings me back to 2017 when I felt nothing but love towards OW, I love that feeling and this channel helps me relieve that🙂↕️
@yesyesyoor5867Ай бұрын
I dropped 5 divisions since the patch, the tank diff is insane since that patch. It feels like I can't win 1 single game since the update. I play mainly junk rat and it doasnt matter how good I play, when the tank in our team is bad, the game is lost. I think they killed ranked with that patch. But I know, I'm the problem, I just have to be better to climb, everything is fine and ov is completely balanced. If they remove that patch they have to do another rank reset I guess.
@B-M-W1989Ай бұрын
I feel like the tank needs to do something to buff the team. Things like commanding shout and the ball shields transfer oh, and Zarya bubbles.
@Illusion517Ай бұрын
It certainly ruined mystery hero. It's even more just "who gets 3 tanks first" the gamemode now
@tombra3059Ай бұрын
They need to change something about the format / game rules Not necessarily 6v6.. But the game itself isn’t working to well.
@thawingkarma233Ай бұрын
7:45 Ana and the dps passive are only the first of many heroes who are going to lose their identity if they want to keep insisting on making 5v5 work. How many more heroes will have to lose their identity for everyone to realize that 5v5 id a failed format experiment? 0:39 And no. Nobody in their right mind thought that buffing tanks to the moon was the solution. Buffing tanks was never the solution because tanks were already good. It just felt like a** to play because they had all the attention on them because unlike other roles, there isn’t another player to cover for them and share their burden. Nobody wanted this patch. *Nobody.*
@digi_artb2446Ай бұрын
The tank buffs where necessary as it was the most depressing role in the game. So i think ee should buff dps heroes so that the entire game is not heavilly reliant on the tank. That doesnt mean make dps destroy tanks but make a change that allows your team to attack backline and all the other opponents. So i recommend some sort of buff to the flanking heroes tracer sombra and others like that ofc that makes another meta but its better than a tank only game.
@MegggazapАй бұрын
maybe they could nerf the damage or cc tanks have to give DPS more agency in targetting the support without worrying about being killed by an enemy tank
@CosmicMasksАй бұрын
i wish this game remembered what roles are meant for man...
@MellowMan339Ай бұрын
Some tanks simply didn’t deserve buffs, I will admit that
@maxthedestroyer436Ай бұрын
Ok what it yo k they should do is revert every change they made to tanks and slowly but surely add in updates to tanks and then see if the tanks are too weak or too over powered and if they’re perfect they can stop updating them
@paulmacrath8985Ай бұрын
You know how tanks become better. add a 2nd tank. 6v6 is the only way to go. Honestly it seems like they are always just trying to make up for removal of the 2nd tank. Instead of trying to fix the problem by buffing or nerfing characters. How about just adding the 2nd tank back in? That was where it all went to hell. so rewind and go back to 6v6 already
@heathcusumano2815Ай бұрын
this doesnt fix the main problem being feeling like youre doing something ie sombra hack or kiriko suzu or orisa fortify that can just be guess youll have to wait another 4 minutes for your ult sorry
@JunkMeister.Ай бұрын
I feel like just having 2 weaker tanks was much healthier for the game
@spirit7525Ай бұрын
They honestly didn't need the damage buffs or the mauga self-healing buffs
@AshuraGCАй бұрын
No one asked for tanks to be better. We know tanks are good, they just feel miserable to play
@wesleytucher6332Ай бұрын
Yes tanks are very broken So many tanks were so hard to kill, and now they’re gonna be even more impossible to kill
@aerostrafe1075Ай бұрын
The rein having mercy moira while Winston has ana zen is so real it fucking hurts.
@emmanuelg.r2483Ай бұрын
😂 fr
@willsteward7306Ай бұрын
i agree that the patch notes aren't good bt tanks where always doing the most damage on the team the dps where more about getting the kills
@aylinncuteasfАй бұрын
If the goal of this patch was to increase tanks' tankiness, then why do most of them do increased damage now?
@tbagger5211Ай бұрын
No they ruined it with 5v5
@bruhscoutrayАй бұрын
Bro honestly ima dps player rn it is fine that tanks are stronger i like the kill potential they have instead of complaining about how miserable there role is
@PryoadoxАй бұрын
Honestly you already did it they did to much at once, I’m glad that they say they are keeping in mind what the people think. The changes I’m okay as a dps player with are: the armor changes, and the the knock back nerf, the sound impact for doing damage to different types of health, and the the individual changes that tanks resided (expect manga f that hero…) Things that I don’t like is everything
@Zais1of2Ай бұрын
My tank still dies super fast
@Cat-ml2gkАй бұрын
Zen seems to be working well against the tanks, except Mauga. I’ve never seen anything tank through a discord like he is doing in my games.
@tylerbacoka4248Ай бұрын
considering hp is in the way and you can't really shoot past damage, its actual design of the game, it can't be ignored. Never has been a good idea to just rush past tank and shoot, but now somehow it is? Nope...it's the same still just 2x as hard to kill the front target.
@demigurlxd5781Ай бұрын
Im not defending this patch but im having fun on Dva for the first time in a long time as a back line menace im just ignoring thier tank honestly
@aveo2699Ай бұрын
This is what happens when Blizzard fires most their stafff and use chatGPT. Not even the version you have to pay for.
@shadypixel4478Ай бұрын
Seeing the whole community like this is really weird bc i started playing back in march and just use characters I like
@jetfire7680Ай бұрын
You're wrong. Reinhardt's fun, tank busters are FINALLY useful again. They're going in the right direction with this. Zarya kinda needs a nerf but otherwise this feels great to play. First time I've enjoyed the game in months, on all roles.
@morocuda2090Ай бұрын
Lmao tankbusters were the issue. Mauga is literally the most braindead piece of sht in existence.
@adiamondtrash9344Ай бұрын
If you look at these videos.. you notice something... SO MANY MERCYS. Mercy is doing well because the tank can do it all its pretty weird i havent tried comp yet i will soon but so far mercy is doing quite well in quick play it seems like an indirect mercy buff and notice how in the end clip how there was a valk mercy keeping him alive through all of that prior to the patch there were not many mercys in quickplay or maybe thats just me.... so as a mercy mian im lowkey happy hehe
@tuananhluong1611Ай бұрын
the queqing time is now equal amongst 3 roles. Let everyone complain but over a few months, these changes will be appreciated
@ironman1458Ай бұрын
But I thought nobody wanted to play tank..... Muh 6v6 queue times
@verifiedsimp2478Ай бұрын
I believe these changes are good if they spread them out over a period of time. Releasing all these changes at once is really bad and either the have to be nerfed once again or dps and healer need buffs
@CrystalgirlOWАй бұрын
There was no need to buff Mauga his like already broken its so stupid
@jk743Ай бұрын
They should just get rid of tanks all together
@JQ888Ай бұрын
As a rein player, this felt good. I can now try some cheeky charges without instantly getting obliterated.
@JQ888Ай бұрын
I also main Ana, so it felt good to sleep overly aggressive tanks
@PunchM3Ай бұрын
They removed the ability to punish poor decision making for tanks with this patch unless you have anti + discord orb.
@N1gh7zАй бұрын
I wanted to play a little again this season but after experiencing what they did to tank no thank you sir good bye
@sidewayz3kАй бұрын
When I saw the patch notes i hopped off overwatch quick
@jMan97-uz6wsАй бұрын
This patch is cursed man, there is no way of defending this
@grayghost9837Ай бұрын
Tanks aren’t the problem if people don’t have skill then they’ll say it’s a tank problem.
@SolarG_OfficialАй бұрын
Not a fan of this new patch tbh
@Robtop-ml4svАй бұрын
They said fuck it with this patch
@gaspar2934Ай бұрын
Basically, 6v6, but now one tank has the power of two of them...and somehow blizzard stills dont want to put 6v6 at least in arcade.... (also theres the thing with tf2 removing the bots problem the same time ow brings this patch XD)
@user-bp3dc7om3uАй бұрын
I’m a rein main and I am so happy with these changes he’s finally playable do not change anything!!!! About rein
@JamieJamie2o2Ай бұрын
Tanks are broken strong, they are now the reason for winning the whole match.
@Ash-tx6ksАй бұрын
People complaining about tanks being weak for so long then get mad when there finally good they’ll probably do a hot patch in a couple weeks and maybe buff dps to balance it out
@ironman1458Ай бұрын
We were complaining about counterswapping especially 5:1 counter watch. How did these changes address that at all? Its only like silver or gold tanks maybe complaining tanks were "weak" but most people I saw felt like tanks were insanely op until they got counter swapped, doesn't seem like that experience has changed whatsoever if anything these buffs just reinforce counter swapping even more
@deaddudeg6701Ай бұрын
Holy crap wat in the fkin hell they just did ............
@j_m12341Ай бұрын
Its not gonna be good when they give them huge nerfs after this patch
@ChaotixSplashАй бұрын
they made this shitty ass game somehow even worse
@LoopFruit2007Ай бұрын
Nerf the hell out of Mauga
@akuma6031Ай бұрын
All they needed to do is get rid of the dps passive against tanks and the problem would have been pretty much fixed.
@PunchM3Ай бұрын
And then you would have to nerf suppers then cause tanks were already hard to kill in the previous patch when playing against a tank the positioned and managed their cooldowns well.
@aerostrafe1075Ай бұрын
@@PunchM3 Think in season 8 they didnt even need to position well. Dump all the healing into the tank and run forward was the norm. Blizzard just refuses to nerf things because "players dont feel good" so expect dps and support buffs instead of any tank nerfs
@definiteg4909Ай бұрын
People are never satisfied 😑
@ironman1458Ай бұрын
Yeah cause they never actually listen lol just push out absolute bullshit patches and act like they are listening to feedback. Its cause they have the nerve to act like they are listening to the community with their pr speak when in reality they are ignoring and mocking them that people clown on these devs. And theres too many reasons to not be satisfied with overwatch but its just beating a dead horse atp to talk about them, they ignore the community for years while acting like they are listening, how do you expect the community to respond to that? Did you ever think the reason nobody is satisfied is because there is nothing to be satisfied about? I mean only on ow I see the community like this, every other game I played its like atleast 90% of the community who are excited for the new changes so there must be something wrong with this game for people to respond like this so consistently. Only on this game people shitting on the game get more engagement than guides, tier lists, people actually enjoying the game, theres obviously reasons the state of the community is like this but hey its easier to say "People are never satisfied" than address the reasons nobody is satisfied.
@cmginfinity18Ай бұрын
so.. Tankwatch?
@Juize40Ай бұрын
I just think this is good now all they have to do is start tweaking down
@Hey_McFly_Ай бұрын
Straight answer… yes!
@Dfm25387Ай бұрын
They will just nurff all tanks but orisa and mauga
@RickQ7wiАй бұрын
Everything is broken...💀🤮
@elhubro2386Ай бұрын
tanking still feels shit, because tank counter tank, swaperoo, never play what you want ending two maugas brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr hahaaaaa brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
@beidousimp1639Ай бұрын
If overwatch devs have any semblance of love left for this game they would resign… immediately.
@JosephSobieskiАй бұрын
Who cares what Flats says. White Winston is annoying af
@dominickjadonАй бұрын
This game is so entertaining from the outside looking in 😂😂
@logi-aАй бұрын
I’m a tank player and I love this. I do think they’re trying to pressure themselves into going back to 6v6 But like tanks needed this to be fun to play. No one, not even us tank mains wanted to play tank beforehand. Good change honestly. It makes dps players actually work for their kills
@PunchM3Ай бұрын
Work for their kills? You barely can kill things now, dps were working for their kills every match unless you picked a server admin hero like widow, pharah, sojourn. Everything else was practically fine. Tanks, supports, and dps got punished for playing poorly, sustain was not as strong due to the passive which allowed stuff to die for once. Now none of this matters cause the new tank buffs make it that much more difficult to kill players due to the sustain they bring to themselves and teammates along with abilities like matrix.
@lrainwater1608Ай бұрын
Tanks didn’t need a bunch of buffs to be fun to play. They needed to tone down the constant counters to tank every other role had for tanks not to mention the counter swapping tanks do to beat the other tank. Now constant counter swapping will still be the best way to play tank. Rein was unplayable and rein will still be unplayable. They buff all the tanks so now they are going to buff every other role and then tank will be back at where it was at last season. They have zero idea what to do with tank
@logi-aАй бұрын
@@PunchM3 tanks literally got punished for existing. Unless you played the same 3 tanks you would just get stunned and beamed
@hillwoop9101Ай бұрын
I haven’t heard any tank main say that they like this patch
@logi-aАй бұрын
@@hillwoop9101 well now you have
@aim00Ай бұрын
DPS is dead
@raydmari9837Ай бұрын
Undeniably false, I've had games where I have had 2x the damage and 2x the mitigation as the other tank and still lost due to my dps doing nothing or healers trying to be dps, you need to realise that most people are in quick play with randos and in bronze-gold, most aren't in comp playing in top 500 like you