My Honest Opinion on Season 11

This was recorded before mid-season patch
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[@SamitoFPS]

NOTE - This was recorded before mid-season patch

[@A_biased_celtics_fan_baited_u]

Why post it then

[@eddielopez6731]

I look forward to when you cover it. If nothing else it’ll prove your point.

[@bdavis4569]

Yeah sam I love you but you should take this down because the mid seasons patch was such a big change

[@Shneisty]

💀

[@Spika94]

Not that that changed much, I am sure.

[@beingbag2606]

Bring on the 6v5 compromise format

[@reax5526]

The ONLY good format

[@anthonycarr9503]

It's already a thing if Bob is on one of the teams 😂

[@ljb5163]

@@anthonycarr9503Especially since he’s a tank now after the patch lol

[@sparquisdesade]

That's called having an Illari on your team

[@eagerinspirit]

illari pylon already exists

[@listerfeend2004]

Seeing the 6v6 gameplay really makes me miss OW1... I haven't even launched OW2 in months, which is really sad considering I have pretty close to 2,000 hours in OW1

[@hexia6760]

Same. Haven't played since november of last year, and only 6v6 will Maybe bring me back to this game. And oh, I wan't borders back.

[@Naianasha]

I need my rank to show on the bottom corner of the screen under the hero border in-match, too. They ruined this game so much.

[@Bebopvicious00]

I left when they started punishing QP games....sorry QP is not something that should have any type of leaver penalty with no options to rejoin a game.

[@naverich4603]

Same. I loved 6v6 and but since ow2 started I have been playing less and less. Like, I remember my ex being mad that I would spend like 6 hours a day playing overwatch and couldn't get away from the game.... Now I play like 3 quickplay games and I'm bored. 30 min and I go do something else. This game is done. All the fun is gone and if it weren't for the whales buying shit no matter what it would already be discontinued.

[@its_lucky252]

play custom game 6v6

[@Venomenal91]

I remember being able to play OW1 for hours on end and was so eager to learn all the heroes. Now I just play 2 games, get bored, log off and miss the original.

[@wo2x34]

Same thing here, we grouped and played for 4-5 hours no problem. Now after 2 games we jump off

[@nemil2898]

Yea that’s a shared experience for me.

[@Jae_JETT]

I love the casual 6v6 plus in the background lmfao

[@RRRRRRRRR33]

First time I've seen this stuff, this is one of those "arcade" things? I only play qp, so I am out of the loop lol looks chaotic and unbalanced just like 5v5, Rein able to break his rush animation, double bubble Zarya, etc.. if 6v6 ever returns, these incompetent devs will literally have to reverse the entire game to to late 2022 balance, then tweak the new characters accordingly. I can see Soujorn and Junker Queen making a easier transition to 6v6, but all the others... oh boy smh and the new maps, that stupid push robot mode would never work in 6v6, the devs knows the 5v5 is fast paced and braindead, so there will be multiple team kills, that opens the way for the robot to keep pushing, back and forth, etc.. no such thing in 6v6

[@SillyTwister739]

13:48 LMAO Sam had a PTSD moment when Hog was mention.

[@RoadhogGaming]

I'm Glad I give People Nightmares

[@user-jw9zc5rf4s]

Kek 😂😂😂 hog..HOG!

[@axell9130]

I miss you 6v6

[@Rewind-xq6xs]

When they terminated 6v6 I knew it was an excuse to make ow2 a separate game so that making it free don’t intimidate ow1 players who paid for the game, and making micro transactions more legit, so I left the game. Now that I came back to play the game again, I realized my decision to leave was 1000% wise. So I left the game again. There are more problems than Samito explains in his videos.

[@nex5691]

@@Rewind-xq6xs same i knew they were gonna do that since the devs got so stressed on why ow2 is the same game so they changed it to 5v5 to make it different but all in all its just like cod its the same game and yes i want 6v6 back which we will get on s13 but hopefully the tests would be great to make it permanent it being free to play is good but make it 6v6 permanently it will be much mroe fun and addicting to play everyday idc what shroud, tenz, or the others say

[@absolute-xero7502]

Aaron is probably gonna come out and talk in circles. "We're very excited to see how much the community likes to have discussion. We too love 6v6 and will continue to make big changes to improve the game. Cya next dev blog. Let's make a great game." Don't get your hopes up too much. I expect them to euro-step the whole conversation. Typical blizzard.

[@CesarCaballero-ui8tp]

1000% IF anything they’re gonna say some BS like “you think you want 6v6 but I’m gonna tell you why u don’t “😂

[@jeandannemann]

I uninstalled the game after this patch

[@tdotsmooth]

Same game feels awful now.

[@dyslexicbatnam1350]

It took you that long? I deleted it season 2, and have waited for it to get better. It hasn't gotten better.

[@sovereignblastoise6767]

Good riddance

[@TheIndulgers]

Your only fault is not uninstalling ages ago. I forgive you. ❤

[@austinm223]

W

[@vanderlin4966]

Ah man, that 6v6 gameplay in the background looks SO FUN MAN 😭😭😭

[@CharlieBrown-bh2pq]

they have a discord where they schedule games of different ranks

[@user-ob1wb3ue6g]

@@CharlieBrown-bh2pq is it samitos normal discord or a different one?

[@gamist8166]

Double shield was so annoying cause it was obviously 2 characters ruining the match. Fortify and grasp together, caused big issues. Sure, they thought it was the shields at first, but after they nerfed their shields a lil bit, they didn't think to attack other things? For real? And now they just refuse to back out of format so it's not just certain characters, but the entire game is flawed. Wild. Can't even go back and play OW1.

[@yaboibigsmoke2733]

It was more 4 characters than 2, brig and bap definitely reinforced bunker way too much with their potent aoe heals, baps immortality, and brig completely shutting down dive by herself

[@nickp8041]

Team 6 was well aware of how supports were contributing to double shield. The evidence for this lies in the fact that they knew brig was the cause of goats which is why they did role lock, and in the notes specifically gave brig her own section on a "rework" because she was too strong. They knew damn well brig and bap were a huge part of the problem of double shield, the issue was that blizzard absolutely REFUSES to rework characters. It took launching an entire new game to even get brig to be in some kind of reasonable space and she's still really good. They outright ignored the community in OW1 complaining about lamp being a completely busted ability for a non ult ability. This was always the problem with them, their egos are F'ing MASSIVE and they think everyone complaining about things like that are just a "fringe" part of it when the reality is that if they had just REMOVED LAMP and added a different ability, that alone would have probably gutted double shield. The OW2 team is no different, Look at how they just completely ignore the entire community (what must be half the entire playerbase at this point) asking to just TEST a 6v6 experimental mode for like a week. They just won't do it, they ignore everyone until their public image has been dragged through the mud yet AGAIN and they are forced to respond in the most minimal way possible. It's asinine. They are just way too egotistical without having the actual knowledge on how to fix the game. That's why OW2 is failing 3 times as fast as the first game, because the 5v5 format doesn't cover up that kind of nonsensical behavior as well as 6v6 did.

[@L1ghtJump3r_]

It was mostly annoying bc of how broken aoe healing was while adding it with invincibility abilities

[@LeatherNinja]

Support comp removed the counterplay entirely

[@keepdeletingmycommentsrebe6178]

@@yaboibigsmoke2733 if bap drone health was drainable when heroes under it's effects reached immortality field threshold then pop when it ran out of health double shield would have crumbled into pieces just with that change

[@emma6648]

one of The only ow creator that doesnt lick corpo boots

[@AEVJM]

Since the last patch came out, I have believed that they are doing it on purpose to destroy the experience and fun to justify the return of 6v6

[@ReckWayne]

Literally dva was rolling my entire team by herself smh

[@fettbub92]

In 6v6: Tanks can have health pools below 700 hp Mauga and JQ shouts dont have to apply to teammates Orisa can have 2 cds Sigma can lose his shield Hog doesnt need a broken vape Dva doesnt need a near 4 second dm And tanks in general can have more fun and be way easier to play against.

[@LeatherNinja]

Sigma should keep shield and lose grasp imo

[@nick-uq5kr]

@@LeatherNinjaExactly

[@kpkazan]

Defense matrix in 6v6 defo doesn't need to be 4 seconds In 5v5 even with 3.5 seconds dm it isn't that great of a cooldown bc she can't do anything else whilst DMing, but that's a consequence of her not being designed a main tank Dm should be only short bursts and small reserve but she can use micro or m1 during it

[@mariustan9275]

​@@LeatherNinjaOr do it like the community game mode did: it doesn't heal, just reduce rock cooldown.

[@LeatherNinja]

@@mariustan9275 it's still an unnecessary defensive CD imo

[@PanthalassaRo]

So when is the 6v6 tournament?

[@joemamaisobama5788]

For me personally I think the maps are also what keeps me from coming back to this game. Too many attack type maps that make the 5v5 feel even more death matchy. Flash point, robot push, koth, none of the maps really resonate with me as much as an offense vs defense type map like cart maps. Needs to balance of both. IMO they should honestly reconsider 2cp maps(the good ones)and mabye redesign them.

[@123Suffering456]

Agree on that as well. I played lots of push and could never get myself to like the new mode. Even if you're dominating, it still feels awful to play. Flashpoint isn't great either.

[@nihili4196]

They should allow players to pick which maps they want to queue for.

[@WarlogicGaming]

The newest map is flanker heaven, it's a total brawl at every point along the push route.

[@GraphiteBlimp27]

Yes this! In my view OW is at its best in asymmetrical game modes. Payload/hybrid are peak, and honestly if they just widened the chokes in 2CP to be more like hybrid maps (think Kings Row, Eichenwalde, Numbani) and added like 2 seconds to the respawn timer on 2nd point I think even that mode would’ve been fine. The amount of play sessions I have to slog through multiple games of push and flashpoint just to get to play one of those modes is so obnoxious.

[@aceclop]

OMG!! IKR!!!

[@BroBruhBruv]

You need to have a PowerSlap match with Custa.

[@BroBruhBruv]

At least a debate! At most maybe some bare knuckle fighting

[@tyrantla7120]

Dudes even worse than Jake and Feedo. Insufferable..

[@TankMAIN877]

Don't talk about that trash here. No one is dumb enough to watch power crap!

[@ljb5163]

@@tyrantla7120at least Jake is respectful.

[@BroBruhBruv]

@@tyrantla7120 Freedo likes hearing his own voice, Custa just likes to argue

[@ToddyBaconJr]

Honestly at this point just bypass the dev team, we already have 6v6 matches so now lets add on things. We can do tournaments, patch notes reaction videos, etc, basically just acting as if 6v6 never left. Look at the Evolve community for an example, that game was completely abandoned by the devs and yet it still lives!

[@RowbyVids]

Call me an optimist, but I'm hoping Aaron introduces an "Overwatch Classic" mode in his next update, which is 6v6, no passives, and open role. It'd be too bold to just slot it into the game as the new normal but giving an outlet to people like us that like 6v6 would be really great. Maybe if it's popular enough we'll see it get validated but at the point I'd settle for a way to play it outside of custom games.

[@kpkazan]

I'd play it

[@Desgaroth]

you forgot to add that all tanks need to be nerfed for that. without that happening giving the people a 6v6 option will just lead to people complaining about the tanks being the only kind of "meta" and that in turn will be the perfect time for blizzard to say "See? we tried 6v6 and people hate it." they already did that in overwatch 1 when people were very vocal about a problem. they just fixed the problem based on community feedback, only to NOT change it in the way the community really wanted it to be changed, basically looking for the least upvoted suggestions in the forum and then saying "see we told you it will not work that way. You had your chance. now we're taking over again."

[@dexter_dono5451]

Leave out open role. I like 222 way more. Open role 6v6 wouldn’t help 6v6 argument we need role lock 6v6

[@snaggiz]

Role locked 2-2-2 is what is needed. The tanks with lower HP and a game with overall less CC is precisely what we wanted back in OW1 when that game went stale. They were SO CLOSE and now they are SO CLOSE again! Just a little bit of bravery needed. The answer is already out there.

[@Slimskyyy]

12v12 when?

[@beanjuice6012]

Are you insane??? 24v24 is more viable atp because 12v12 didnt work out in season 24.

[@crusher1980]

Well actually that could work if Blizzard would introduce an extra gamemode for it where you have to split up your team like in CS for example. But Iam sure you could also come up with something else, I never really liked the idea of only 5 or 6vs6. Of course the gamemode/s and maps have to be designed around it to make it work. I think companies today went to such a small team size because of pro play and that sucks. Why cant we have 2 different modes, one competitive with less players and how it is now and then one with 12vs12 gamemodes or even 16 I dont know. I just know in the past we also played shooters like UnrealTournament, CS, Half-Life etc with 32 or even sometimes 64 players on a server. Thats not anymore possible in todays shooters, it doesnt have the freedom to let you choose servers and maps etc.

[@s0nvr396]

After your stream earlier, I just went to workshop played 6v6 all evening. Didn't get bored and start playing something else, time flew by, great times!

[@nathancasey7712]

2:46 honestly this is how they made it seem in her reveal trailer. I thought it was going to be fair because it seemed like a super tight window you had to hit, but in reality it was brain dead

[@forcekin1350]

What if we brought all health pools in line with each other. Tanks drop to around 450, DPS around 200, and supports around 200. Then, we change the tank passive to 75% reduction on CC's. Lower all the damage and revert the hitbox sizes. Change the dps passive to increased attack speed for each kill. By .05% and reload speed by .05%. Leave the support passive as is. Just lower the time for healing to start and reduce healing per second.

[@testtarget1030]

When I first saw the Suzu ability, I thought you had to time the window so your team would be intangible before the effect went off, thereby avoiding it. I was thinking wow that's going to be hard to time for some of these abilities, oh how naive I was...

[@reformed1trick739]

If we had 6v6 they still wouldn't balance it right

[@ConspiracyCinema]

Based Sam. Vindicated more every day

[@greg3118]

I was an every day OW1 player since launch and through it's last days, dropped OW2 after season 3, picked it back up this season and am questioning why

[@johnbreadon4370]

Samito, I am high plat, so I'm in the average maybe above, I will say Illari and bap can run a lobby even with mid aim, sigma on his good maps can control the lobby, so yes its different but balancing for high lobbies will trickle down to low ranks. I'm tired of counrerswap, which is my biggest issue is how ppl counter in low ranks and they just get free wins for playing a hero even if they're bad.

[@robertwulff2600]

The balance changes screw everyone over. They don't understand how to balance things for high level and they try to force low skill ceiling characters to be viable at the highest level just makes brain dead heroes overpowered in low ranks so by the time people make it to higher ranks they have no clue how to play.

[@mai9181]

Tbf pylon is a really one dimensional ability it’s gonna be stuck in the either insanely broken or useless

[@-RAV3N]

What I took away from this video is that I think they tend to look at the individual heroes as a single entity and not all the team interactions, cool down interactions and cycles. It seems like even though they look at the individual heroes they still miss glaring issues in gameplay and negate play making, opportunity/skill expression. In order to fix the stalemate they keep buffing and added role passives that exasperate the issue instead of looking at the gameplay interactions and working out solutions to change interactions like these.

[@Punchbadguy]

Honestly I would be open to pylon having 125-150 if it had a forced 5-6 second uptime with 10-12 second downtime

[@lightarc7126]

Sigma has an insane amount of counters in DPS and tank. Comparing him to brig is insane

[@BTRshow]

Concord, Marvel Rivals, Black Ops 6 Overwatch 2 has spent 2 years of no competition doing nothing but decline. The new generation of hero shooter/FPS games are just around the corner and all overwatch/team 4 did was set up their competition for a lively launch. Hope everyone sees if the grass is green on the other side, because it will never be green with ow2

[@DRUKENHOBO]

its green on this side just like a baby vomit green

[@ur0b0r0sXL]

you know whats worse. a while back aaron keller and crew said "we aren't trying to compete with anyone." just because you aren't doesn't mean your contemporaries aren't competing with you either. and it looks like they're about to start winning.

[@ryleytls4950]

2 years it hasn’t even been a year and they’ve already lost basically all of their player base….

[@BTRshow]

@ryleytls4950 yeah, because this game was built on lies and fueled with underperformance. The game got canceled AFTER LAUNCH, and all that happened afterwards was buffs, nerfs, and skins. Hard to stay after deceit like that

[@derrickjacobs613]

Check out supervive it looks good asf

[@erikmeissner6492]

Came back after a few months and the game feels so messy and chaotic now. Teams just clump together and run at each other.

[@mythilicar]

bro called it 😂💀 15:50

[@xdgamer0189]

6v6 for me as a tank player was fun because unlike now you could legit play any character and do well if your skill and positioning was good or better then the enemies tank for example if your playing ball in 6v6 and you are able to pressure their widow. then their widow has to reconsider their playstyle or you if you are able to pressure their supports then they have to play it more safe or use their resources to stay alive

[@anthonycrashryan2166]

Ok ok so hot take. Tank can't work in 5 vs 5 without being an absurd raid boss. The last patch was huge and made most of tank super strong but I did play every role to try it out and it was mostly fun. It doesn't fix a lot of issue I suffered as a tank like counterswapping but it did remove a bit of pressure which feel really good. We know they won't backtrack from season 9 change but OW rn is fine for me (I am in diamond to plat so yeah not high lv play for any of my role) Dva and zaryaare overtunned but the rest is fine even mauga (playing around 3s is easier). So yeah now I do think atank should be able to 1 vs 1 most of the squishie. Tank isway more important due to the fact their is one of them and before the patch a fight was lost if your tank died firstbutthey couldn't 1 vs 1 a lot of time now it feel more fair. If the tank are weak they still keep that double people value anyway but now it's a bit more fun.

[@neguikun]

What Sam it’s not seeing here is, blizzard it’s trying to make supports and tanks with dps mechanics to make some of the dps community to swap to one of those roles, you can see it in queen, kiriko, allari, mauga and doom swapping to tank role, the problem with this is that they need to give those heroes easy abilities to full fill their role like pylon, so you can heal your team while shooting like a dps, this make some of the dps players swap and maintain the que times low

[@Sam-vw4ks]

What’s the point of swapping roles if every role is miserable, Pls genuinely listen to what Samito is saying before commenting because everything he has been saying already came into reality.

[@psgelcapitan2451]

The thing that you dont understand is that if the game is absolutely trash then the queue times go down anyways. If the product available is awful, less people play, less casual players, worse queues for everyone haha

[@Score_P_O]

Sigma himself is a double tank , he was the main reason for ubreakable double barrier which ppl cried and wanted 5v5 so consider him 2 tanks in one character cuz his kit is so good

[@hooparainbowbraceypkmonand7862]

Funniest thing about ball is with healers like bap, illiari, and brig. He cant die and also...cant actually kill anything because his primary is ass. The tank just ignores ball and goes forward and unless you have coordination the enemy tank just eats your team alive. Ball has never worked in 5v5 even when he was really good because instead of being able to actually do stuff on his own, ever since 5v5 he REQUIRES one or two other allies to help him accomplish really...anything.

[@moonbeamz8207]

Pylon should be like sym teleporter. Its has a health bar but expires usually before getting destroyed. So it isnt up 100% but like a dva bomb would destroy it. Give the pylon insane healing for a short duration then cooldown. And reduce her healing beam output but give it more uptime. Boom problem solved.oh and change her primary to be a short range blast like zariah secondsry and cement her as a brawly support

[@riafire7477]

You can't fix tank in 5v5 either they're too weak they're miserable to play as or they're too strong and they're miserable to play against

[@kpkazan]

Can be both like right now, they're strong and boring to play

[@skandol8650]

Sometimes I queue up OW2, then regret it, go to cancel and get out into a game anyway

[@ForeverDegenerate]

@Samito I just wanted to say thank you for doing what you do and not being afraid to be honest and call shit out when it needs to be called out. I'm just sad it's taken you this long to reach this point, but I'm glad you finally did reach that point. I've been saying, from the beginning, that 5v5 was a mistake. I've been saying, from the beginning, that the biggest problem with OW2 is 5v5. But until, like, Season 9'ish, I've gotten more push-back than support for that opinion (which, as most people, including yourself, are now aware, wasn't an opinion, but just a fact). I've also gotten a lot of apathy and push-back for saying "Fuck Aaron Keller." And I've said that ever since the announcement that PvE was dead. I had suspicions when he took over Jeff Kaplan's position because of how fast it was done and in the manner it was announced to the public. But I'm not an unreasonable man and I believe in giving everyone, at least, one chance. So I did. Then 5v5 was announced in short order. That was first major red flag for me that something wasn't right. Then years went by and we got nothing. I speculated why as I was like, "Guys, we're getting nothing because the priority if 5v5. It's going to kill Overwatch. They can't completely rebuild Overwatch, which they have to do if they want to have any hope, whatsoever, of making 5v5 work, and finish PvE within the allotted time frame. And guess what, I was right. While I wanted to believe that Aaron Keller would do right by Overwatch, being a member of the Original Overwatch Team, everything that came out of his mouth said different. And the more I look back at Aaron Keller's tenure as the Game Director, I have realized that he is nothing more than the Kathleen Kennedy of Overwatch. It's clear he ingratiated himself to Bobby Kotick, just like Kathleen Kennedy did to Bob Iger. It's clear that Aaron wanted Overwatch for himself because he never believed in Jeff's Vision. And that feel right in line with what "Big Bob" wanted. Hell, everyone that was ever associated with the creation of Overwatch is gone from Blizzard... except for Aaron. He's the only "survivor" of the Original Creators who has done nothing but destroy that which he created at every turn while throwing the Original Creator (Jeff Kaplan) under the bus. And before anyone even tries to argue against this, don't. You won't win. Literally, his reasoning for why PvE died and was never going to happen was, "Jeff Kaplan's Vision was too ambitious to work so we had to scrap it." That's a load of bullshit. The reason PvE had to be scrapped was because SOMEBODY made the decision to do something that was never in the scope of the Original Vision: 5v5. So guess where, literally, ALL of the resources went? That's right. Into the bullshit we have now. You cannot and will not ever convince me that a man who led a team of developers to have a completely working re-designed game engine, a fully playable practically complete story mission, and a completely working Skill Tree System IN 2019 ever had a "too ambitious vision." Say what you will about how Jeff and his team balanced Overwatch (in my opinion FAR AND AWAY BETTER than Aaron Keller's team ever has), you can't ever say Jeff never delivered on his vision. And based on what we saw in 2019 and the scope of the project as it was from Jeff's mouth, he was on track to deliver once again. Until he got forced out of Blizzard and the entire team was forced into a project that was never going to work. You want to fix Overwatch? Fire Aaron Keller, Jared Neuss, and the Game Balance Lead (don't know his name, sorry). The Game Balance Lead, obviously, has no fucking clue how to do his job. Jared Neuss has been given enough chances and has only shown that he has absolutely no understanding of the game that he's "producing." And Aaron Keller is never going allow any kind of reversion to OW1. Never. And do you know why? For the exact same reason Kathleen Kennedy will never retcon her atrocious "Sequel Trilogy Timeline" for Star Wars. Because it will undo everything they've "worked hard to achieve." Aaron, like Kathleen, doesn't give a shit about us. He only cares about his legacy and erasing Jeff's. That much is clear. Just like Kathleen is only interested in her legacy and erasing George's. So until Aaron is kicked out the door, nothing will change. He's just going to continue to try to make "his" Overwatch work and fail at every turn as the players steadily turn on him and his "vision." And before anyone says it, I don't care how "nice" a person is or if they are "genuinely a good person." If you are the reason that the thing I love is being ruined and killed, fuck you and there's the door. Anyway, that's enough of my rant. Again, thank you @Samito for being that strong voice in the community. The Voice of Truth and Reason. You and I may not see eye-to-eye on everything, but on the big things, we have always been in agreement. And for that, you have, and have always had, my respect. Keep on preaching and I will keep on watching and listening!

[@jeremydonnell9884]

I love this game, i want to play it. Friends and i used to play all night. Now we have 3-5 matches and are done. Frustrations just seem to happen a lot more frequently. Im a tank player, and always counterswap. Going back to spawn and switching is more benefitial than losing a fight and giving them more ult charge. I miss being able to have long sessions of this game.

[@Aandersson001]

Casually slapping the Song of Healing on this video is fkn poetic.

[@anko6484]

thank u for telling me to wait longer before i start playing this game again

[@TigerBlood-m4b]

We need a parody of overwatch as the avengers. Where doomfist is thanos and they're trying to bring balance to the game through statistics alone, and overwatch is trying to stop them cause it's not the actual right way of going about things. Like doomfist goes "my power creep is inevitable" And Winston's likes "I.. am... winton" and he pulls the switch to go back to 6v6 and revert all the easy support denial abilities

[@eviljoshy3402]

As part of the "They keep doing the same shit. They haven't learned their lesson" comment. Considering the high turn over and the purging from all the harassment charges. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of people working at blizzard are new hires straight out of college.

[@uriahthegreat5004]

5v5 felt soo much better pre season 9

[@noname-vw5qw]

Finally someone says it Sigma is broken. Unlike rein he can deal damage while shielding, has insane range for a tank, cc with his rock that makes dangerous up close and a dva matrix that heals him.

[@betnobodythoughtofthis6397]

I think you should make the point illari turret is just like syms old shield generator, where you need to waste time to destroy it but now it's worse because it's a cd

[@toxic_icecream]

On a topic of free value: Illari's shift makes her spin without rotating your camera. Cheaters spinbot to get the same effect, So its just a free hitbox manipulation for a movement cooldown for already free heal value character.

[@Greaseman762]

If they go back to 6v6 then literally everyone will finally realize the only reason for OW2 to exists is so they can sell you a battle pass, trust me I’m a 6v6er till I die, but going back would crumble the entire premise of this game even existing and shareholders aren’t ready for that backlash

[@williehawkinsii4845]

Need to time? When Kiriko first came out suzu lasted for nearly 2 seconds. I know two seconds is not a lot of time but in some scenarios it feels like forever

[@iRamUrMother]

If you're going to make a statement make sure to fact check before you type anything out, kiriko never had a 2 second suzu, in fact, they nerfed her suzu from 1 second to 0.85 December 15 2022 and nerfed it again from 0.85 to 0.65 December 5 2023. Wasn't sam quitting ow for the umpteenth?

[@ianformica7911]

@@iRamUrMother 1 second of immortality and intangibility is ridiculously op still, that 1 second feels like forever in a game thats as fast as overwatch

[@iRamUrMother]

@@ianformica7911 it's .65

[@Ajaylix]

Honestly 9v9 would be the best if they made the maps slightly larger

[@kenleyreyes]

Lowkey your on to something but it would be really weird going against nine players Edit: actually they should add this but make 9v9 and 6v6 two different modes that you can choose to play

[@mariustan9275]

​@@kenleyreyesSo 6s and highlander

[@elidetdestinyy]

just realized samitos background music is from persona !

[@cryonixs2894]

Sigma has the least counter play of any tank in the game. There’s no counter swap to sig. Doom? Rock, Zarya? poke her out, Rein? Poke him out and rock him from 20 meters away, Mauga? shield his cooldown, Dva? Kinda even matchup because she’s fucking busted. Winston dive is almost the only thing you can but but then they swap brig and counter your entire team comp and make the illari undiveable(which pylon already does). I love playing sigma but jesus christ, sometimes the blizz team needs to accept that some heroes should NEVER be good

[@mariopikmin1]

Just wanted to say i love the KZbinr i agree with pretty much most if not all his points and i think he presents his frustrations and opinions in a clear manner. I hate his viewers in the comment section. Its been a while and know what? Samito convinced me into believing 6v6 may be a better answer to the problem. BUT when i saw someone debating 5v5 he was instantly insulted and trashed on. Thats disgusting

[@neilmallick20]

Samito unfortunately attracts a lot of sycophants who copy his loud, pompous personality into youtube flame wars. I agree I like Samito and his arguments seem logical but can't stand his fans.

[@mitchprice3841]

Possible fix for illari pylon: give it a timeout duration once it's placed (like 4 seconds) or give it a limited amount of pulses before it times out (10 to 12 pulses) to limit the constant afk healing output and make illari players make a decision on when to use the pylon

[@HourGlass_TV]

as an overwatch 2 player,watching the 6v6 gameplay looked like so much more fun, allowing for actual risky worth it plays.

[@Score_P_O]

Roadhog in overwatch 1 was really good when U had to decide which shot to take (right or left click) now its both in on shot blizzard devs are making OW less decision based and more braindead style... every thing in overwatch 1 was based on right decision to make orisa shield which angle you put cass stun to disable hero ultimates like sigma and more stuff like this now overwatch 2 is about CC AoE and playing sustain heros which sucks I hate it when I have to counter pick to win and not able to play my main characters its not fun anymore bcuz of power creep...its not a fps game its pure moba now

[@maister4416]

As a tf2 player, it hurts seeing Overwatch in it's 2016 tf2 arc. I hope it gets the good ending.

[@NeilBFormy]

I hate to see it but it does feel good to know that I predicted the entire lifecycle of 5v5 in the moment they announced it

[@RainbowsAurora]

Im just confused as to what the OW community wants supp to be. The consensus i see in a lot of videos is either they dont want them to heal well cause thats busted and they should be contributing to dps and be a third and 4th dps. But then when they make Dps focus supports its "why do supports do damage?" "why do they need damage" i will agree that there are DPS supp that 100% dont need to do as much healing as they do or vice versa. But then the issue comes back to the supports that use utility and healing, cant have that, but then the community complains supports dont have enough healing/arent good enough at healing.

[@MyOpidig]

i stopped or more or less taking a break after this patch .. BARE in mind im a tank main, it feels more boring now to play

[@chasekeylime9717]

the changes you suggest for illari would actually make her more oppressive to play against imo

[@spence6195]

Shield Tanks should be more defensive and have low damage, Off Tanks should be squishy and have high damage. Double-Shield worked because Sigma had high damage on top of high defense, the devs just made every Tank Overwatch 1 Sigma now

[@windego999]

"We don't like the double shield meta because healing makes getting rid of the shields irrelevant, no one dies after!" *Blizzard gets rid of a tank and removes a lot of shield abilities* "But now healers die to flankers immediately because they have 1 less person to protect them!" *Blizzard gives every healer as much sustain as possible, every healer has auto heal now and multiple get out of jail free cards* "Healers are living too long AND now they heal too much too!" *Blizzard gives DPS a passive to reduce heals* "All that did was make tanks feel shittier to play. Can we at least get CC reduction on tanks to make it less lame to play?" *Blizzard turns every tank into a raid boss EXCEPT for giving them more CC reduction* It doesn't matter what the players say, they keep finding ways to *fix* the problem by creating a different problem entirely. We could've been in a better spot if they just made healing a bit weaker and tanking have a less CC passive. But nope.

[@alexbrantley8934]

This is the same company that thought the player base couldn’t decide who to ban

[@Twilight.Princess]

Just got home, time to enjoy a Samito rant ❤

[@weenewsboy]

The only way they can fix tank is nerfing them yet they keep on buffing thinking that will make them more fun. Nerf tanks inherent value (health pools and brain dead sustain abilities). Make their current abilities higher impact but have counterplay. Why do they just buff things thinking it will make them fun.

[@TheRealKitty103]

What they should've done is revert the armor changes back down to 5, keep the 10% healing reduction to tank or 15%, and keep the tank passive changes and not buff every tank to the moon and see what happens from there

[@vigour6786]

Illari shouldn't be able to move her pylon when it's taking damage, the same as torb turret and should have a set hp output limit before it breaks.

[@starrysky8118]

That first point is already the case though. If the pylon is taking damage she can't relocate it, and if she destroys it herself while it's taking damage it goes into its full 15s cooldown. Imo they should swap the resource meter on her secondary fire and pylon. Make pylon work on a limited resource like her heal does, while her M2 can heal indefinitely or at least for a much longer time. Instead of breaking the pylon could go on a cooldown before it starts healing again like how her M2 currently works.

[@RRRRRRRRR33]

15:55 I disagree, it's not really close. To say that was never a thing, back in season 4 if I'm not mistaken, they giga buffed Doomfist, next week they nerfed him a little bit, that season felt "balanced" if compared to all the others. The nonsensical McCree grenade remained a thing, Kiriko broken as always, Ana too strong, etc.. but at least it was just a couple of characters being overtuned, but that's it, the game didn't really felt good to play, it was just braindead and fast paced like every other "season", but with less power creep. 5v5 can't be salvaged because this game was designed way back in 2016, original tanks such as Rein (a main tank) and Hog (off tank), they are impossible to balance in 5v5, no matter how many tinkering they do. If the devs literally rollback Overwatch to late 2022, the last months of 6v6, remove all the 5v5 characters to work on them while receiving feedback, that would be the healthiest approach to the future of this game. But seems like the devs are willing to die on the 5v5 hill... and oh boy, looking at Marvel Rivals (especially), Concord, FragPunk, etc.. they are going to die alright

[@vexedaslin]

Song of healing playing in the background was lowkey perfect

[@sapphicseas0451]

When even Jay3 is saying the 6v6 code feels better you KNOW the game is cooked

[@metal100k]

I still think illaris pylon should be reworked entirely. Not just a simple change. I think one thing is to make it heal her entire team if they were near but divide the heals by the number players being healed. This would give her a brawl/splash damage weakness. This would be more interactive than just being down for a few seconds and would allow for a poke comp to keep its identityy while having a defined weakness. Dont know how it would play out tho.

[@noobninja2436]

Play doomfist. Blocks < hook

[@dbradstreet]

Now watch them revert the Cassidy changes 😂

[@ncascini01]

Just had a match on Ana where I outplayed a genji and was about to kill him and a Keri coming back from spawn tellied in, suzud and made it into a 2 v 1. Love that. My bad, I forgot they had a kiri and it's a mistake to try and make a play because she gets to throw her middle finger in your face for no reason. She's basically another dive dps without setup required.

[@kevlowry]

Bring back October 2020 6V6 with proper balance and in game incentives

[@Dreadfullcoffee]

when he said illair is nightmare reawaken but yes she IS DAMN REAPER OF OVERWATCH WITH HIGH DAMGE AND HEAL

[@kianpettersen2400]

took so long to realize this was before midseason. goes to show how much they doubled down on everything

[@aegis-vii3071]

I just miss waking up texting my main tank homie and just playin zarya dva and be his off tank. I just miss 6v6.

[@tertozer3543]

Compare Illari‘s pylon to soldier’s healing pod…. That is so insanely stupid.

[@danielbeast11]

Blizzards response will be a shit show. They will say they want it to be easier with no execusion needed to do dmg. Not fun for most players who enjoyed the fun of working out how to work togeather and win, not just press one button and win or swap

[@GenzaiHonkaku]

That 6v6 gameplay looks so fun, so much more dynamic

[@ctimegodb658]

Illari main. This patch is so fun. I'm a metal rank I know where to put the pi-lon. Why people always assume low level are complete idiots?

[@wm8401]

I feel like the beta was pretty decent. That's something. They will start discussing 6v6 after they finalize the marketing strategy for OW Classic (6v6 y'all!) for $59.99.

[@MotionCoMMotion]

The delay between twitch stream to upload is a too long

[@Dovakinskywalker]

I think the problem is the devs are balancing the game around bronze and silver players when those players don't even know how to play the game in the first place so the balance is pointless.

[@Pocketnaut]

"they need to just net nerf everything" it's something I usually heavily disagree with, but this is a specific case where I actually think it's very necessary. The Illari changes with her pylon you suggested are also gold

[@terrariku2010]

I hate healing Pylon as Illari's healing support is basically 100% reliant on it. Her right click has great heals per second I guess. But if my ally is walking straight enough for me to keep it on her, they're probably gonna die anyway. And if I can track my ally that smoothly where this never comes up; then I should be playing Tracer locked into DPS. But not only does Illari, in terms of providing support, feel like crap when the pylon goes down. But if it stays up forever, it feels like crap for the enemy team unable to push past a choke to break the damn thing. It is basically feast or famine the ability. Either it pops off and gets a stupid amount of heals while you focus on trying to get kills and apply pressure, or it gets destroyed and you're a liability until it comes back up. Unless you have her ult ready I suppose. That ult is stupid strong, broken even.

[@Randomness662]

"close" okay buddy the last time i got a girl close she left me so like getting "close" isn't enough

[@chuyyou]

Unpaid Opinion. That why I love you.

[@spoonsVSforks]

Yesterday I played a few games and kid you not I didn’t win any games the tanks were unstoppable. I used to love playing ow1 even if I lost and now I can’t tolerate losing back to back it’s just miserable to play any role tbh… bring back 6v6

[@blastedcontroller]

brooo i left this game in the early of overwatch cause I use to play chess I would never play checkers