WHY 6V6 NEEDS TO COME BACK TO OVERWATCH 2

[@rawakamaran3618]

This is a format argument, 6v6 vs 5v5. It's not double shield vs 5v5. Double shield is comp that happened because of the balancing team's incompetencey.

[@darryltorres7302]

So true. Easily fixable with a few balance changes but the previous balance team didn't do anything about it and left it at that state. I don't understand how people keep blame double shield for the 6v6 format being bad when it was the fault of unbalanced heroes not the format itself.

[@burgerzkking4036]

@@darryltorres7302it’s funny that the overwatch 2 character overhauls literally fixed double shield but they still decided to go with 5v5 probably to justify overwatch 2.

[@darryltorres7302]

@@burgerzkking4036 yeah, because the newer overwatch 1 characters were already made with overwatch 2 in mind. This left the originl cast of characters high and dry. Notice how all of the original cast are either too weak or aren't balanced properly. Hog is a prime example, either he's complete trash or op as hell and that is mainly due to the 5v5 format. I don't even want to talk about poor irrelevant Hanzo.

[@icyatlasartworks]

​​@@darryltorres7302 Junkrat went from an easy to learn, difficult to master, but powerful hero... To a character who's only value comes from spamming and off angle tire pressure if you aren't T500. They patched Ashe's Bob Ult charge, calling it a bug (when, back in OverWatch 1, they said that it was a bug that he DIDN'T provide ult charge) Reinhardt needs babysitting or he's dead in the water. Meanwhile, Kiri is still one of the best duelists in the game 2 years in. They do not care one bit about their old cast until it's time for a collab

[@DisastrousCake]

The issue with double tank isn't double shield. It's that no one wanted to play tank. I remember; I played OW1. I think after 2 years, it's safe to say 6v6 is dead imo.

[@Itz_ej]

as a tank i just feel so lonely

[@Ronin-kk4bt]

It just sucks

[@chalklaterain6163]

There was a conversation about reworking reinhardt, REINHARDT. That ALONE should tell everyone 5v5 was a mistake. Edit: jesus christ Zack, what was the last half of this video? almost every claim you made was debunked a while ago by everyone else that's been in this conversation far longer than you. We get that you're shackled to insider access privileges but come on, do better.

[@Ronin-kk4bt]

What they did to rein is atrocious 🤦‍♂️ that character is unplayable now

[@poptartboi4868]

@@Ronin-kk4bt dude they nerfed him very single time i swear

[@thedukeconiosantiago9180]

wait reworking him again?

[@DoctorStarPilot]

Its been almost 2 years of them trying to make 5v5 work and its only gotten worse in those 2 years. NOBODY is having fun anymore. DPS arent having fun, Supports are not having fun, and idk how Tank players havent just uninstalled and moved on to another game because their role is TERRIBLE. How does one role have like 3-4 passives to help them and it still feels that bad?! OW was never designed to have more or less than 6 people on a team and its time they just admit it and start working on bringing back 6v6. It just makes the game healthier.

[@Ronin-kk4bt]

Exactly!! Read my mind 5v5 is killing this game!!!! 6v6 wasn’t perfect but I can’t tell you one thing it sure was fun 5v5 is such a chore bro and playing by tank is stress personified lol literally 🙏 praying for 6v6 at this point

[@jtb7363]

6v6 is something I would like to see as a former tank player . I quit tank as 5v5 and the tank role in 5v5 just feels unrewarding and doesn’t feel like you can do your actual job and take space or do anything . Along with the fact with one tank each , tanks are just asking you to be exposed , ran down , countered . There’s no second tank to tank a brunt of the damage or cooldowns and instead it’s just one tank getting ccd, countered , and focused. And it’s either deal with it and most likely lose , or counter their tank and then it just becomes a cycle over and over again . Do I think simple changes need to be made with two tanks and the double sheild problems ? Sure . But we also have the dps passive now , other passives , and new characters. Along with possibly just adding a sheild health reduction if you have two sheild tanks . Idk but tank is just absolutely miserable and being able to play a tank you like in a one tank setting is just not allowed

[@Ronin-kk4bt]

It sucks no matter how you look at it tank in 5v5 get countered targeted chased you name it while still having to carry your team which you can’t even do because its impossible

[@HawkknightXC88]

I always liked 6v6. It added more variety and have less stress to those who are healers and tanks. Also helps out dps too.

[@Ronin-kk4bt]

Exactly?!

[@PunchM3]

Right on the money

[@katiekale1410]

6v6 better gameplay loop. More play potential

[@Ronin-kk4bt]

Going insane playing 5v5 🤦‍♂️😭

[@nightwolfsfury8476]

I personally have to disagree with more solo play making, but team plays, yes. OW2 tried to push for that solo player experience in the beginning and realized people didn’t actually like that either. An example was last night I was watching my bronze friend and someone left the team and I joined. I played Sombra and during every fight, picked off both supports and a DPS and we still ended up losing somehow. I was popping off and “solo fragging” or w/e, but it still didn’t matter. OW1 was team oriented and your team made plays. OW2 just retired to be more flashy about “muh kills” and nobody was entertained by it.

[@ItachiUchiha-dh3jh]

People who bring up double shield need to also bring up immortal roadhog/orisa/mauga bs in ow2. Roadhog honestly felt LESS killable than double shield did when they buffed his vape. Also, Roadhog was that tanky by just pushing 1 button... double shield wasn't even a thing in gold, but ROADHOG IS ABSOLUTELY UNKILLABLE IN GOLD. Not to mention that they refused to nerf the supports who made double shield op, then when they actually did nerf the supports... double shield wasn't oppressive anymore. They then proceeded to give those broken ass supports buffs and they became meta again, but that is a balancing issue. Tanks WILL ALWAYS BE MISERABLE TO PLAY IN 5V5, IT IS A FORMAT ISSUE!

[@Ronin-kk4bt]

Preach🙌

[@borkogot5738]

There was only double shield and all those issues because the devs left ow1 for years. when they came back a lot of them were resolved. If overwatch actually tried to balance 6v6 it would be amazing

[@huearethinking3017]

People really forget how responsive devs are now in ow2 than ow1. The current dev team is completely capable of patching 6v6 better than they did in ow1.

[@noktifer]

It doesn’t even feel strategic anymore with 5v5. It feels like a death match simulator instead of a team game without tank combos and that one extra player that made the game chaotic and fun. My personal opinion

[@nightwolfsfury8476]

One of my very first comments during OW1 about the 5v5 format of OW2, I legitimately said, “enjoy Respawn Simulator 2.”

[@Luke-py8wi]

6v6 all the way. 5v5 makes it feel not as big of a team game

[@number0017]

Then you never play 6v6. Two Tank fighting over a character or arguing to each other to switch haha Or both Tanks deciding to go there separate way and splitting the team apart 😂

[@kingclampz6081]

@@number0017except in ow1 we only had 8 tanks but now we have 12 tanks that’s a major difference

[@BajzellGamer]

All the problems with 6v6 could be solved by balance, unlike 5v5 that its problems are cause by format. All the positive points that you give to 5v5 could be implemented in 6v6.

[@rossjones8656]

Indeed, 6V6 got screwed over because Blizzard was taking forever to do any meaningful changes. The content drought and the fact there being more communication being a plus right now.

[@number0017]

The problem people don't know how to play as a team Everyone want to play solo DPS (aka Team Death match) Especially how people hate working as a team and instead want to run off as a solo DPS.

[@CarveronGamer]

Not all problems. How do you fix queue times? I can promise you that no matter the format, tanks will always be almost an instat queue, and the more tank players you need, the more time dps and support players will sit in queue waiting.

[@coal159]

@@CarveronGamer Players enjoying the game fixes que times, Que Times dwindled to dust in OW1 because we got no meaningful patches or content for like 3 years. If 6v6 Comes back with a large update, and it feels GOOD then we wont have to worry about Que times because quite frankly Overwatch is such a good game when its being maintained and actually updated.

[@rossjones8656]

@@CarveronGamer queue times come from the fun of the role. Nobody wants to play tanks because it's nor fun and you get flamed 24/7 especially in rank but if the role was more manageable then more people will play because it's not oppressive. It's not a perfect fix but 6V6 is the better option as long as overwatch devs don't leave the game with long droughts of content and keep more focus on making the game better.

[@GripperBoots]

Seeing how well Fortnite reload is doing, I don’t see why overwatch wouldn’t implement a 6v6 classic mode in unranked or arcade, it’d bring old players back for sure.

[@user-tw9we5zz4d]

Fr!!!

[@DerailiousisBased]

Overwatch Devs are lazy as fuck compared to Fortnite + don't listen to community at all + it's not coded into the game + 6v6 wouldn't fix the game the only way to fix the game would be to gigabuff tanks

[@GripperBoots]

@@DerailiousisBasedit wouldn’t be to fix the game, it’d be a game mode.

[@NotExplainable]

Because it would split the player base and they can’t afford to do that

[@youngruggedandraw6864]

if they add 6v6, gotta remove the 5v5. Or vice vers. Im not waiting goddamn eternity in a queue cause some mfs got split up in two for the 5v5 and 6v6

[@coldshot1611]

6v6 was the identity of overwatch that made it win game of the year in 2016 it was different from other fps games at that time. What people from the 6v6 side want it some clarification if it will ever come back or why it doesn't work people want some form of closure. A win-win for both sides would be just to make 6v6 in arcade mode with the last patch it ever got that will fix the community issues lol.

[@Ronin-kk4bt]

Exactly 6v6 made this game ! 5v5 was not the right move and now we have to suffer for it

[@theredguy92]

The difference is 6v6 was good at points until balance ruined it. 5v5 has never been good and wont be bc the format ruins it.

[@fkatar9757]

6v6 needs to comeback The gameplay loop for tank is horrible. Characters with more sustain win: Mauga, Orisa, Hog OW1 tanks cant do it all, so they need to be reworked to do more Ram is one example of a tank that can do it all and u compare it to Rein and he cant do anything So u either change Rein or assume that he is not viable Rein is to iconic to change and nothing would be well received Tank sucks and needs to go back to 6v6

[@Bbox0456]

So you want chaos

[@Rivler20]

@@Bbox0456 It is not chaos, have you ever played OW1?

[@Bbox0456]

@@Rivler20 yes I did and if you like playing as your favourite tank hero but then if someone pick it then you can not play it it is so annoying and then there is a lot more that I do not want to remember

[@fkatar9757]

@@Bbox0456 bro. U have a problem with someone picking ur hero in ow1 (something that still hapens in any other role), but u don't have a problem with not being able to play said hero because of counterswap. It doesnt make any sense

[@Rivler20]

@@Bbox0456 Did you just write that the problem with 6v6 is that you can't always pick your tank hero? 😂 What about support and DPS in 5v5? Your teammates must hate you in 5v5, since it seems that you are a OTP in tank.

[@kirbyholic24]

Oh now he talks about 6v6…took you long enough.

[@Walkerscobellfan159]

I miss 6v6 because it puts less stress on the one tank in 5v5

[@number0017]

What are you talking about?lol. Less stress by butt lol It was stress if your other Tank kept running off or didn't know how to play as a Tank or didn't switch to a better Tank. I haven't even touch how both Tank would fight over a character lol.

[@Walkerscobellfan159]

@@number0017 I only played for like the last year of overwatch 1 so my opinion might be bad but my tanks were almost always right by my side

[@Ronin-kk4bt]

Exactly if you tank in 5v5 it’s all on you ! You get no help while getting rekt by the other team

[@Ronin-kk4bt]

@@Walkerscobellfan159not only that but the tank synergy the combos

[@TysonASMR]

It’s wild how tanks have been buffed and reworked so many times just for it to still feel like ass

[@yuri990]

The struggles of double shield was an incompetent dev team that did not want to change certain aspects of their hero’s. The largest examples are brig’s inspire and bab lamp.

[@JonathanM04]

I’m a strong believer in 6v6. But they can’t just bring it back without making changes to abilities, cool-downs, health bars because then it will be miserable. In my opinion what ruined it in OW1 was bad balancing, they had two tanks in orisa and sigma that had too many tools. On top of that brig with all her cc and crazy healing, bap with his immortality and high damage numbers as a support just made it too strong. There is a reason dive didn’t work and that was because these heroes could do too much, that even if you made it past their shields they still were too hard to kill. If they would have removed sigmas grasp, nerfed orisa fortify and change bap imo to something else that doesn’t make things completely immortal. Done some minor nerfs too cool-downs and different numbers… But the OW1 balance team was so shit and incompetent that they never did enough to change it. Maybe OW2 was a part of the reason why they never did enough.

[@SowhyEnot]

6v6 because it makes tanks job easier and it makes counter swapping not as bad to deal with, the problem with 5v5 is tank just always devolves into pick the better option which 90% time is mauga or orisa

[@snakekime7608]

Imagine they swap to both orisa and mauga though Best reason to why they dont bring it back is the crazy queue times, i can queue for 10-15 mins if i duo or trio queue with dps cus there arent enough tanks already

[@rawakamaran3618]

Queue times can be fixed by adding more fun and high skill heros to tank, Something they stopped doing overall

[@CarveronGamer]

​@rawakamaran3618 i consider Hammond a very high skill hero, and his release did nothing for the queue times for more than a day.

[@coal159]

@@rawakamaran3618 Junker Queen is a really good tank, She's just usually in the dirt.

[@miagui1808]

Weird to see how at the end of the video, some old and debunked arguments (against 6v6) were thrown. Like, come on, I know that as a content creator you need to be neutral, but pretending that 5v5 isn't fundamentally much, much harder to balance is very disengenuous, the only remaining argument for 5v5 really is just the queue times

[@jpgeccho]

To me 5v5 feels like something they threw together quickly and didn't put much thought into as they had to make pvp sufficiently different because they knew pve would be cancelled. Pve was the whole reason for ow2 existing in the first place so if they didn't suddenly switch the focus to pvp the game would feel pretty identical to ow1.

[@RIP_ZYZZ1738]

So they screw their game over because they want to avoid a temporary PR disaster? And yes it would be temporary because then the pvp would actually be good so most wouldn’t care.

[@swahagod8369]

Bap and brig are the reason why double shield was meta. The balancing was the problem for 6v6. In 5v5 it’s the format that’s mostly the problem even though the balancing is also bad. Double shield is like the only bad thing you people remember from Overwatch 1 to justify 5v5.

[@wolfrebel2839]

I prefer 6v6 cause we have so many issues with the 5v5 format with trying to fix tank and make it a better experience but like bro you wack said it hasn't been working and while 6v6 has its own issues it was more fun and enjoyable and I get there might be the pressure of having to pick certain tanks but dps and support deal with this all the time so why shouldn't tanks? Also if the issue is cue times well overwatch is free to play and there's a lot more players playing overwatch now than there ever were before in overwatch 1 so I genuinely think 6v6 would be better.

[@Ronin-kk4bt]

You read my mind bro exactly 🤣👏

[@VV_Valley]

Honestly the only reason I want 6v6 back is because it makes tank a less stressful role to play as you're the ONLY person on the team to take hits and lead you're team, and I don't like playing tank for that reason. There's characters in Tank that I really like and enjoy playing, but it gets stressful when you're the only Tank, and when you're dead, you're whole team's defense is dead, and then I feel guilty. If there was another Tank, I'd gladly play the role, but because there isn't playing Tank is just a really stressful and unenjoyable role to play for me.

[@biantoroy]

The problem with 6v6 back then can be solved. For 5v5 problem, there's none. Not only 5v5, the whole OW 2 is basically nonexistent (PVE, Story mode etc). Feels like OW 2 is more a bait for people to spend more money on skins rather than fixing their game.

[@ExpertCobra-tn1vt]

5:00 there are 6v6 codes where they have it balanced. It’s essentially open queue but with 2-2-2, but most of the tanks that are made for 5v5 are all nerfed in their kits in some regards. I played it one time and it was legit way more fun than 5v5 in that even though we were rolling, it still felt like there was a challenge Edit: I am now at 6:42 and I am dumbfounded. Double shield was so bad because they failed to balance it, but it was still better because unless you were in like mid masters+, you never truly had to deal with it. Nowadays, counter picking is a problem all the way down to bronze, and that’s the equivalent to tank synergy torture. So what if you’d have a hog and a dva and no main tank? It happened less often than the game deciding that one team will have a dva main and the other will have a zarya main. They literally noted issues with 5v5 when they announced it (well, around that time) and that they’d fix them by the launch.. and then they didn’t fix them and they’re still here. Broyouwack, I honestly want you to host a 6v6 pubs session with the code 7HSKW (not mine) and play with people around your skill level. You’ll see Edit V2: I do agree with what you’re saying that we should see if it works. I’m just saying that you CAN try it, I personally enjoy the 6v6 format more

[@hailmanz7985]

I would love one see them bring back 6v6. More specifically the good ol rein/zarya duo

[@Ronin-kk4bt]

Hell yeah

[@cadenfleming9793]

I prefer 6v6. Reason: tank player 😭

[@Ronin-kk4bt]

Valid

[@paulanseaume7378]

And I like 5v5. Reason: DPS player You see my point now?

[@RIP_ZYZZ1738]

This is a dumb convo. The enjoyment of the game doesn’t come from your role being powerful. The game isn’t individualistic. If tanks are having a shit time, then the other roles will also be marginally affected. They may not feel it but if we were to switch format, those roles will feel a lot better despite the issue seemingly being resolved to one role

[@cadenfleming9793]

@@RIP_ZYZZ1738 I’m not saying 6v6 is the solution I just prefer 6v6 over 5v5. 5v5 isn’t bad but they are going to have to do something in order to fix it.

[@kierantitmas3489]

@@paulanseaume7378As a DPS player I much prefer 6v6. I have 2 other players I can shoot rather than 1 super tank that will never dies. 5v5 also forced supports to have mobility creep and insane survivability so now DPS need 20% healing reduction to even function.

[@UberCroz]

I never thought 6v6 was horrible. I thought it was a more balanced structure overall and offered allot more tactical strategy opportunities from the perspective of comp. Now that being said, I was never in the top tiers, so maybe it becomes more of an issue in the top tiers where everybody is really good or at least knows the fundamentals of the game. But I think the problems with 5v5 are far worse than the problems of 6v6. I haven't liked 5v5 AT ALL compared to 6v6, and I'm still playing, but still wishing it was still 6v6. The 2 biggest issues I have with it are: 1. When you're the only tank, there is so much pressure on you to play the front line the entire game or your team gets mowed down. You can't leave that spot for more than a second. You can't really dive the enemies backline. You definitely can't flank. It's kind of boring and SO much more sweaty. Plus if things don't go well in the fight in general, it almost always appears to be the singular tanks fault. 2. (This is the biggest problem if you ask me) If the person who is playing tank doesn't really know what they're doing, it's pretty much an L. And if in addition, the enemy tank is really good, it's game over no matter how well the rest of the team plays. This scenario is Immensely more common with only 1 tank. When there's 2 of any role (including tank), 1 can compensate for the other or even help the other to an extent if they see they're struggling. I always liked playing a shield tank and a dive tank together. To me, that was the best experience. My idea: Divide the tank role into Defensive and Offensive tank roles, allowing 1 of each per team. So there would be 4 roles, 2 tanks per team, 6v6, and this would alleviate the double shield issue. Of course you would have to tweak down the beefiness of the tanks if there were 2 per team. P.S. DPS Doomfist was unfathomably better than Tank Doomfist. JS 😎

[@PSYDET]

I want 6v6 back, tank right now just feels so unfun. Last night I got a game where the enemy tank, both the dps and one support switched to counter me even though they won the point. (Reason counterswapping, many of the games are just who can counterswap more and have more patience to wait in spawn room)

[@FunniestFern]

I’ve had a lot of fun playing 6v6 with my tank duo but since 5v5 became a thing we barely play and I hate it so it would be fun to play a real game instead of just playing custom games

[@user-mb7sp6dt9w]

As a support player I often feel I don't have enough protection from the enemy team especially when I'm someone with no mobility like Ana or Zen. If my tank is Doom or Wrecking ball then they are always across the map leaving me with no defense. In 6v6 there was the ability to protect your team and still have a tank pressure them enemy.

[@rlmush]

One thing I never see discussed is that there were only 8 tank heroes in Overwatch 1, and this lack of choice also contributed to tank fatigue. There were only so many effective combinations. ccmbine this with lack of balance patches it became stale fast. But with the growing roster, and more frequent balancing, 6v6 has so much more potential than it ever did. Supports also had this problem in OW1, but now there are just enough of them to keep your experiences feeling fresh

[@huearethinking3017]

I’ve played too many games when the match is not winnable because of the tank. Matches are winnable if you have 1 dps or 1 support that’s really bad. But one bad tank is instant defeat.

[@fernandosalinas4055]

Nobody is asking to bring back 6V6 with the last overwatch 1 update because its gonna have double shields, anyways u kinda hinted that they are gonna give us a excuse on why there are not gonna bring it back

[@FunniestFern]

Oh boy I can’t wait

[@jayfel104]

I miss 6v6, especially off tanking. 6v6 only sucked because OW1 was abandoned. Now that we have more heroes, I'd like to see the 6v6 queue times.

[@Fallenmonkegod]

5v5 can't win in this battle, overwatch was a 6v6 game, and all characters were made in mind that there would 6v6, for 4 years, all patches, updates and changes were made with the 6v6 concept, thats the core of ow1, but trying to change the entire core of a video game, and making characters fit for 6v6 into 5v5 isn't going to work, ever. The tank role is awful, they can't have the freedom of doing their job, dva was an off tank, suddenly changed to a main tank??? The whole purpose of tanks was to soak up damage, and do nothing else. Having everyone on the enemy team trying to kill you while your supports could do nothing but heal and watch, there was no freedom with where you could go. Yes, double sheild was annoying, but it's still better than what we have here, saying you have more freedom with which tank to chose doesn't make sense becuase of COUNTER PICKING, there are videos, of professional players, staying in spawn, looking to counter the enemy tank, and they would be changing heros every second, becuase if the enemy tank picked a counter to your hero, you will die, overwatch 1 had COUNTER-PLAYING not counter-picking, there was much more freedom in ow1, if the enemy played mauga, I could not play Winston or roadhog, or even ball, I'd have to play sigma, jq, or zarya. The only reason 5v5 came to ow2, was to justify the 2 in the name. 5v5 was wrong, and blizzard can't ever say they were wrong, so they desperately try to justify this awful reason.

[@iconicsurvivormoments]

Please also bring back the levelling and stars 😢 6v6 was so much better its too much pressure being the only tank

[@Filler__]

I really hope they do a quick play hacked with the last OW1 patch because I want to play DPS doom one last time😭

[@heyitspenguin]

Tbh I don't mind either 5v5 or 6v6. Just gimme a fun experience. Really all we need.

[@jdoggbro]

I have never played ow 1 before but I feel like 2 tanks could help tanks heavily

[@user-fk9hr7so7g]

6v6 felt more like a team game

[@GotWub]

I personally loved 6v6, 2CP, and double shield. Just making it known that people like me exist.

[@kielmessersmith1956]

Same, iv got some hours in orisa and rein from back in the day. Role lock flex q most days. I didn't mind all the tank games then, but now flex queue is just a tiresome tank slog.

[@353darkesthour]

You should spill what Aaron said if you’re gonna bring up a secret at all.

[@cedenoa001]

I prefer 6v6 cause we had choices. With 5v5 we are stuck with whichever tank counters the enemy tank.

[@lukeavery7174]

I think 6v6 would work better than it did back in OW1, mainly due to some of the changes made in OW2. Orisa and Sigma double barrier would not be a problem anymore since Orisa does not have one anymore, BUT I also understand Reinhardt barrier would probably just be used instead. So I think changing how barriers work would be a good idea, perhaps making it so you can't have them out all the time, having them automatically disappear like Ramattra's Void Barrier, or making them have less HP and more downtime. But I also understand this would probably hurt some character's effectiveness like Reinhardt, making it harder to approach or protect your team. But I do think trying to keep the game the way it is now is NOT a good idea. I am tank main, but playing tank is just not fun when others seek to counter your character, and I don't think buffing the tanks like they plan to will change anything, heck I think it might hurt the game more! I don't want tanks to be unkillable or overpowered, I just want playing tank to be fun, both for me and for those playing with me and against me. The last thing that is a massive barrier to 6v6 coming back is the fact it would be a MASSIVE gamble. People who like 5v5 over 6v6 might not want to play the game at that point, but also the amount of changes that would be necessary to make it happen might divide his community more. You would be throwing a bone to the OW1 enjoyers, but you would also be stepping on the tail of the new OW2 fanbase. To put it simply, there is no way to get something positive out of this... Unless they made it so you could choose to play in 6v6 or 5v5 separately? But that could possibly mean longer queue time, having to manage heroes in 6v6 and 5v5 separately, and would still not end the argument of which is better. So again: There is NO WAY to get something positive out of this.

[@DerailiousisBased]

Overwatch Devs are lazy as fuck compared to Fortnite + don't listen to community at all + it's not coded into the game + 6v6 wouldn't fix the game the only way to fix the game would be to gigabuff tanks

[@Umbreon_932]

They brought fkin pick mercy back. They are listening, I promise

[@coal159]

@@Umbreon_932 bringing pick mercy back is just good PR something they need. + It removed the absolute scalping market of skins for that damn pink mercy.

[@kevlowry]

Bring back October 2020 6V6 with proper balance and in game incentives

[@anthonylebrun1977]

I got Doomfist's cute spray thanks to the 5v5, but for 6v6 I need to get Junker Queen's most cryptic pixel spray.

[@sieg5857]

I’ll come back when 6v6 comes back

[@hailmanz7985]

Same here

[@coldshock5181]

Same

[@RIP_ZYZZ1738]

They should at least say they’re not going back so I can leave 😂

[@coldshock5181]

@@RIP_ZYZZ1738 True lol, the only thing that keeps me interested is the possibility of it coming back

[@gam3rguy174]

honestly 6v6 with locking of one character on each side match start and unlock that character when a side wins a round sounds fair

[@morgantronprime]

6V6 Definitely Bring It Back Just Have A Setting For One Shield Tank And One Off Tank.

[@alexanderfarley8819]

I feel that 5v5 was good but I have a few reasons to want 6v6 to come back 1. It’s one more person to kill some particularly annoying tanks (*cough* *cough* mouga) 2. The only tanks that have shields are righnhart who can’t attack when he has his shield up, ramatra who’s shield goes away after a few seconds and sigma. So we won’t have to deal with double shield 3. This is a bit of a selfish reason but me and my friend both like playing tank but because in 5v5 there is only one tank we both can’t play tank and pretty much every time we lose one of us says that we would have one if we were tank so I would at least like there to be 2 tanks Those are my reasons for wanting 6v6 to come back

[@MutatedAmerican]

2:20 Tanks were happy with Season 8?!?! Do you not remember?! Supports destroyed everyone during that period. In fact, tanks were not happy after Season 4 and gave up around Season 8 after Mauga

[@Squip_]

LMAO NO WAY U USED THAT MATCHHHH HAHAHAH i made it in an OW video mom!

[@sasorioftheredsand4348]

6v6 is easily better

[@JWats-ux1qk]

Here is how you fix it 1. Implement 6v6 2. Reduce tank health by 25%-30% 3. Reduce all shield capacities by about 20-30% to avoid double shield metas 3. Remove the healing debuff passive from dps 4. Rework Mauga to where he has a photon gun with medium to short range and a chaingun with long range. The photon gun would should laser balls that instantly cause lightburn damage, but the photons bounce off of shields. The chaingun would have little falloff and would do normal damage to shields. This would prevent Mauga from melting shields too fast but also make him a threat at any range especially to unshielded targets With this and some other balancing, tank synergies would be strong, but not oppressive since they have less health. The damage debuff passive being gone means that even though tanks have less health, they will be able to get enough heals to actually survive engagements.

[@EddieDasilva-po8wn]

Everyone thought the game would get better when Microsoft bought it but the devs haven’t done jack to change the game in the right direction

[@duck9029]

6v6 is better

[@Ronin-kk4bt]

💯 %😤

[@WavyGamer18]

6V6 can work in OW2 format by just using or tweaking the open queue stats for a 6v6 arcade mode

[@Zaki27]

6v6 was so much better in 5v5 if you have a bad tank you lose 90% of the time and the queue times wont even be that bad more people would play the game if it was 6v6

[@its_imactuallylayzefan]

I started playing support once 5v5 was added. The pressure is TOO much in comp. I also miss the times me and my brother both played tank. Edit: I miss the old tank interactions.

[@kelseykent1196]

As a person who started at OW2 I would like to see 6v6 just for the experience factor and honest I feel like when I play tank it feels very miserable.

[@shaneh3109]

5v5 i hated from the moment it was announced

[@Weightsss]

I agreed with you at the beginning in less than a minute. Didn’t even watch the whole video yet, but BOTH would be perfect. Some maps I LOVE having 6v6 for and some maps I feel would do better with it. Shoot have QP with 5v5 and then have ranked with 6v6. I’d be PERFECT with that!

[@joeshmo6037]

Tanks will forever be the worst role if 5v5 stays. There are to many character to character power imbalance for 5v5 to be as streamline as you guys want. Overwatch is not a streamline game it was supposed to be chaotic. Now it's chaotic in a worst ways op characters shut down everything else. There to many sombras, too many maugas. The people who play these characters make the game feel like it's supposed to just piss you off. When in reality they are just abusing the characters kits. Having a 2nd take literally was the only way to police all this. With a second take people had to think. They actually had to out play the situation. Now obnoxious dps and support have all the freedom to just grief games. No one should've been on board with tv5 nonsense and just boycotted overwatch 2 at launch. I bet you the game would've gone back to 6v6.

[@aaronduenasvelasco234]

They could add a 6v6 format to qp and ranked alongside 5v5 but keping oq healthpools and a reworked cardiac overdrive specific to 6v6, kinda like what they did with alterwatch and such

[@L1ghtJump3r_]

I just want dps doom to come back cause he was fun to play and idk why people bitch abt him being “broken” just use ur eyes

[@adrixz2891]

The problems that 6 vs6 had are GONE,brig does not have his stun,orisa is reworked so no double shield and bastions is reworked so why not trying 6 vs 6 with overwacht 2 changes? I mean, the only dowside could me mauga and his ability to overheal but that can be ajusted easily to not affect the second tank or just change numbers.I would remind that the devs stated once they tried 5vs5 and 7vs7 in overwacht 1 and it was awful,thats why they prefered the 6vs6.

[@EmilJepsson]

Dont feel like I can give a reason, I just really want to try 6v6 again but in ow2. So I can see if its nostalgia or if its better. Personally I do not have a problem with 5v5 but would still like to try

[@or2dash]

No Limits should have been kept in Quick Play, Role Queue started the worst era of Overwatch 1 and 5v5 downgraded this game to make eSports "easier to watch" and make TOP500 dps players happier but destroying the tank and support roles. Assault maps should be reworked by adding a third point or facilitating the first point, but Hanaoka is not and will never be the same as Hanamura because it is played differently (2CP had a defense round and an attack round while Clash is both teams attacking simultaneously). You only talk about "balance", but what about the game being fun? 5v5 is not fun for supports and tanks that don't play in TOP500, no one wants to play tank or support in ranks below GM because it's not fun.

[@sirbigtuna529]

i like 6v6 cause as a tank i cant always be a sword and a sheild. but changing from 5v5 to 6v6 might make everything muddy cause there will be lots of nerfs and buffs

[@I_m_him]

While I do not hate playing 5v5, I don't like how counterswap heavy the game feels with 1 tank. While counters will always exist, with only one tank you don't have many options to deal with counterswapping other than swapping yourself which doesn't feel fun. If there was a second tank to complement the first tank or to cover their weaknesses, that could give more flexibility with who you want to pick as a tank, methinks.

[@ZeroOne130]

Has a torb player i don't enjoy playing ever since s9 update.

[@veryGoodTV3]

this game needs to go back to 6v6

[@Plckyeater]

there not bringing it back because if people realize that it’s better then they have to spend a ton of money changing the whole overwatch 2 engine and knowing blizzard there not goona do that which disappoints even more people.

[@dartanyandrinkall]

6v6. No counter watch. two tanks means not one person gets all the cc and damage thrown into them. Tanks wouldn’t be unkillable giga buffed characters that can’t get punished. Supports wouldn’t have to babysit the tank 247 in 6v6. you can’t punish bad tank players. The only good thing about 5v5 is queue times but we don’t even know how bad queue times would be bc no one wanted to play double shield in ow1 that’s why there wasn’t anybody playing tank

[@zachbell7610]

I want 6v6 back because as a Reinhart main I want to get a split between protecting the team and actually dealing damage in a normal game. You need to pick one of the other because your team will die if you go off to damage but you’ll feel useless and not have a good game if you just stay with your shield up Also Hannamora was the best overwatch one map that’s why I want 2 CP Best idea make a permanent game mode like no limits that is just overwatch 1: 6v6, old abilities and only old maps including 2cp

[@frikka_sanchez]

The game is designed for 6v6, with two tanks you can make up for the weakness the other has, rush goes with poke, but now we have counterwatch were you are forsed to not have fun

[@ymer6587]

I’m kinda against it tbh, I just personally don’t wanna have 5dps instead of 4 or try to solo heal 5 dps/1-2tanks. It would obviously be nostalgic but in current overwatch killing one tank with 2 dps and a tank shooting at them takes long enough and then imagine there’s another one and a mercy resses the 1st tank

[@sentral1219]

i feel like both 5v5 and 6v6 has their advantage and disadvantage but the thing is if they really go for 6v6 here those new OW2 tank which design for 5v5 to be able to survive alone while out put great damage like mauga and ram (not Junker Queen cuz as queen main shes just dps with more health) will just be incredibly hard to kill when pair with other tank + we have kiriko now so its even harder to punish tank specially when there are still another tank who can help other tank get out of bad situation.

[@hannahabulhawa1567]

7v7 would be perfect. Two beefy tanks + 3 DPS players. Would sort out que times aswell for having more dps spots. Balancd between Damage vs tankiness

[@terogates1]

Look… I get it I miss having a second tank.. but we also complained about the same things back in 6v6 or did we forget that?

[@Ccscenario]

did yall not hear the section with the nda? Keller said that they would explain why they wouldn't add it back in the next discussion.

[@chrislabedzski9076]

They NEVER gonna be a 6v6 blizzard already confirmed this

[@Vic-cw2cl]

The way I see it, Overwatch 2 is better than Overwatch 1 when it comes to the pace of the game, because Blizzard updated both the heroes and the roles to fit with the new gameplaystyle, including having only 1 tank on a team: however, only having one tank has been a mess to both balance and to play with, and, like you said, it feels like no role will be satisfying to play simply because of how tanks work. Much of the arguments for keeping 5v5 is that 6v6's pace was too slow-paced, and that double-shields was horrible; but remember, the game's tempo has already been fixed, and accordingly the shields have been nerfed as the tanks were changed to become more brutal. So for this reason, if they were to implement 1 more tank for each team, the pace of the game would still stay the same, or maybe even improve, and the roles would be more fair to play with. The balancing would also likely improve, as Overwatch 2 seems even more difficult to balance than Overwatch 1, and why not make the devs' jobs easier? Lastly, the most important thing, the 5v5 format is just frustrating to play, and the top priority of a game should be to be fun to play. If your game is not fun to play, you're spending valuable resources, namely time and money, on something that's failed to do its job correctly.

[@jaylenjames364]

6v6 with role passives would be 🔥

[@CherishShawneeSmiths]

what sound effect is at 0:13 0:14 // im sorry i just forgot the name of it

[@LEXANNEPIANO]

Overwatch isn’t fun anymore when they changed it to 5v5.. especially for tank mains. Tank combos were awesome and felt more balanced than whatever we have now. If they don’t want it permanently 6v6, they should have just had a 6v6 mode.. they should have always had one since Overwatch 2 came out.

[@ZarelidT]

I would play tank in 5v5 more but with the amount of OW players that hide from comms just makes me not want to play tank while being alone in comms.

[@fkatar9757]

U talk about other changes that were eventually like by the comunity: 1 of each hero, role lock But this is difrent. There was no conversatition It has been 2 years and most people complain. THIS is not like the other times and has to be adressed

[@bonkuwu3584]

Bro fr started talking about feeling a lot more free when choosing a tank with 5v5 when there is so much counterpicking in there. You can literally see pro overwatch teams going to spawn to switch their tank again 'n' stuff. The fact that if you are a winston and you opponent switches to mauga, 99% you have to switch is crazy, that's why many people want 6v6 back, because then it's not so much about counter picking, but your other tank can help you too, in the example of winston, you could get a dva to help you with her matrix and when the mauga traps himself on the cage, be able to drop a dva bomb on top of it to kill him or force him to drop the cage, there is a lot of combos that can be done and stuff to do to counter each other. I'm sick of tank being this rock paper scissors where if your one and only tank doesn't wanna switch, you essentially not much to do.

[@spew42]

I think Overwatch was a SIGNIFICANTLY better designed video game in 6v6. The core fantasy of a hero shooter is being able to choose a unique character that can fill a certain gameplay niche in the larger context of a singular match. Its a unique toolkit in an incredibly complex environment. Having tanks be gigabuffed means that the value of a tank is more than the worth of a single dps or support. This will fundamentally break the experience for all roles, as the game will clearly revolve around the two tank players. I disliked 5v5 from the beginning, all the way back in the beta. I remember returning to OW1 one last time after the beta and really cherished it, despite its many flaws and balance issues, but I genuinely think those issues were solvable with balance and more heroes in the tank role (we needed to drop the idea of a main tank, instead moving into a "all tanks are off tanks" direction - this would mean nerfing barriers and shifting that power into aggressive space taking abilities.)

[@ziggos9810]

*Alternative title* Why we need Overwatch 1 instead of Overwatch 2

[@starksx2970]

Interesting idea for arcade mode for 6v6 so, people can feel how suck it is to play as shield shooting game not hero shooting.

[@yuri990]

Bro I think I just like OW1 better wich includes 6v6 so I want it back.

[@nightwolfsfury8476]

I personally never liked 5v5. I tested both 1-3-2 and 1-2-2 in OW1 when they were tested and I said both felt awful and rather not change the format. I remember getting told by a lot of people that 5v5 was the way to fix OW. My personal opinion never changed, I prefer 6v6. The problem with 6v6 is Blizzard put the game into maintenance mode starting basically in 2018 and we were expected to hold out for years without almost any content outside of free skin events…. 6v6 never stood a chance because the game it belonged to was abandoned VERY quickly in favor of bolstering the failed esports scene. OF COURSE so many people didn’t like 6v6. It got NO ATTENTION or characters or even a fleshed out roster at all.