Did cadiaN Cross the Line?

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Surprise, surprise: CS:GO fans are pissed at cadiaN again.
Why? Because he dared to talk shit in an esport where everyone talks sh*t.
The difference is that he directed it against a roster that not everyone feels is deserving of such sh*t-talk.
So, let’s talk about it: did cadiaN cross a line and, if so, why?
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[@ThinkAboutVic]

answer: no but it was embarrassing that he lost 13 rounds in a row after saying that lmao

[@xlr_s3np4i89]

Underrated comment

[@Craiguuu]

Exactly lmao

[@ehsher7441]

I love nothing more then watching someone shit talk too early and get stomped. Gotta be careful when you unload the heat lmao.

[@yyhn7168]

Trashtalking after winning the match is cringe. I respect people who trashtalk before the match, even if they lose it

[@enso8762]

Yeah hahahaha

[@dancortes2164]

Answer: no, but it's CadiaN. He's gonna get hate just for existing.

[@darkydk1650]

Yep ever since the hunden case,

[@hashen_chamal]

​@@darkydk1650He caught shade ever since he started.

[@enso8762]

@@darkydk1650 way before that, he even moved because no team wanted him in denmark

[@darkydk1650]

@@enso8762 im saying the hunden case just make people look at him and trash on him more, he wasn't well known until around rouge and north picked him up,

[@enso8762]

@@darkydk1650 ok👍

[@jefflum4040]

“I’m old as shit with the worst gun in the game” has to be one of the best lines in R6 esports history

[@__44__]

Dead game

[@masterbowler5202]

​@@__44__not really...

[@Faith_L3S5-ZERO]

@jefflum4040 funnily enough, the player was canadian and an igl as well lmaoo i love the guy istg

[@plodd55]

@@masterbowler5202 dead esport

[@masterbowler5202]

@@plodd55 true.

[@utoherozv]

Melee gamer rage can NOT be beat. Watching some dude spike a controller off the stage, calmly shake hands, and then lose it not a second later will never get old.

[@vaimast2825]

Drop videp name

[@russiancommy]

any smash rage comp is a banger video

[@Badmanpuntbaxter]

​@@vaimast2825pick any "FGC salt" compilation and it'll be in it.

[@vaimast2825]

@@russiancommy what the hell its true lol whyyyy?

[@russiancommy]

@@vaimast2825 they're just a different breed bro 💀

[@janusbondi]

No one ever mentions that cadiaN takes L's like a champ, ive watched Heroic lose a match and cadiaN hugging his opponents with a smile and applauding them and cheering them on afterwards. Hes a really good sport, even though hes loud during matches

[@manbeast_cs]

I think Cadian would scream at a team of 12 year old kids trying to play csgo for the first time, as he is owning them in the server.

[@rdvanbilgic341]

The one in Brazil is just perfection and absolutely justified. They definitely had it coming

[@rudrakshguntuka6171]

agreed

[@RafitoOoO]

We love trash talking here so it's all good :)

[@adrenalice7827]

​@@RafitoOoOI wouldn't be so sure about that. Last I checked you guys were the ones sending death threats to players when your team loses. 💀💀💀💀

[@RafitoOoO]

@@adrenalice7827 people sending death threats over games happen all over the world both in e-sports and regular sports. It's not exclusive to Brazil.

[@adrenalice7827]

@@RafitoOoO Oh but it literally happens the most in Brazil when it comes to eSports and you can't even try to sugar coat it. Literally all major death threats/thinly veiled acts of violence that happened in recent competitive esport history come from Brazilian fans. So don't talk about Brazilians loving trash talking when they can't even accept that their team lost, let alone being shit talked.

[@1wayroad935]

Gamers hate it when they see themselves reflected on their greatest players

[@johncross4642]

>greatest players >cadian choose 1

[@shreyasdixit7039]

@@johncross4642 lol

[@JupiterVolume2]

Long story short, no he didn't cross the line, pros trashtalk each other all the time, and as a wise Drilla once said 《 At the end of the day it's all fun and games 》

[@yeahno555]

CSGO fans continue to live in glass houses

[@jacksoncorvus]

And continue to throw stones like util flying across Dust 2...

[@chinesesparrows]

trash talk is cringe, it makes esports look childish compared to other sports

[@tsw9918]

@@chinesesparrowsit’s perfectly normal, every athlete talks trash Football/bball/hockey are all notorious for trash talking It’s just less prominent cuz most players aren’t mic’d

[@jcwong4995]

They are trying to plant grass and replace their tiles

[@idrisali3947]

@@chinesesparrowsidk about you, but i started online gaming in 2012. if you think this is “cringe” or toxic, then you wouldn’t have survived back in the day. i love trash talk in games. it’s a shame it’s censored to the point where you can get banned just for saying someone sucks. THAT’s cringe. limiting speech to not offend people. gross.

[@siddhanthgirish3060]

lmao the mongolz dont even care its not a big deal

[@haziq4248]

trueee..they dont even care actually...just look at their interviews, all fun outside of the match

[@BobWeave]

Yeah especially since after he cringed out the mongolz won 13 rounds in a row after calling them noobs

[@u1hpme]

@@AleksickAFC i mean it didnt work because after he shout "fucking noobs" they lost the next 13 rounds

[@finnvictorsson]

​@@AleksickAFCThey lost the next rounds and got into second OT lmao

[@runek100]

Yeah they were more like, wtf is that freak doing? He is embarrassing himself. Thats what I got from their looks lol. They are super chill.

[@m4a1snerfed]

i'd have to see what cadian does in fpl tbh. saying stuff on stage isn't that big of a deal, but there's a serious, serious hazing problem, especially in na, with pros attacking amateurs. they don't just give bad takes ingame, they also attack everything about a person irl, and that's a big part of why na has near zero gen-z competitive players. no one wants to deal with it.

[@neilkanthganguly149]

Big difference though. Also a similar thing happened to the NA dota scene. Pros actively hindering younger talent and less established players.

[@TheYoutubeUser69]

why is it so bad in NA? Dont see that problem in EU for example

[@m4a1snerfed]

@@TheKZbinUser69 the two countries used to own slaves/expanded brutally through genocide, so there is an inherent level of meanness in the culture that has never gone away. because of this, na players will always be hypertoxic. i look at zywoo, and i know that he would have ended his career long before he joined a team if he was playing in na. it's just too damn stifling.

[@sinsee.]

@@m4a1snerfedDude, France also owned slaves. Are you for real right now? This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever read. Saying that a culture is inherently mean because they owned slaves over 150 years ago is crazy. It’s about how you’re raised not based on your culture’s background. No slave owners are still alive today.

[@m4a1snerfed]

@@sinsee. france ended it 17 years before, and didn't need to fight a brutal civil war to do so. to this day, the effects of slavery, segregation, and jim crow still influence the american society. everything to do with trump and the republican party is an example of this. there's an extreme desire to make everything about hierarchy, and it comes from when african americans were (and to a certain degree still are) treated like second class citizens.

[@charlessaint7926]

When I play online, I don't talk smack. I try to keep it friendly. In one case on Rainbow Six Siege, one of my teammates said, "Stop being so nice to the enemy team."

[@Joyexer]

Cadian is pure passion for CS... I am usually more like you Dimitri about classy winning. But Cadian is just really hyped about the game imho. He also takes every advantage he gets. This includes beeing nice to the crowd in Brazil vs Furia or trashtalking a team that might be insecure. Might be a bit shameless, but I respect it.

[@Joyexer]

Oh and he is fairly wholesome outside of the game actually...

[@johncross4642]

@@Joyexer google "nafany about apex cadian reddit" of course he's gonna act nice

[@madeoc]

I am all for passion and banter, but the thing that makes me feel iffy about the Cadian situation is his post-match interview and reasoning. I didn't like how he targeted the Mongolz team because they "didn't greet him" as everyone else supposedly does, and that's why he was doing more than usual when it came to the banter. Why bring an outside issue into the game and then after you get called out for it try to play it off as the issue being him and always getting hate rather than his actions.

[@Joyexer]

@@madeoc Well in the post-match interview he actually said they played good cs and showed sportsmanship... Thats Cadian, he goes up the hills in matches but is actually not bad at all outside of them. That greeting thing idk really. Hard to tell what happens backstage you know.

[@purplegaming_spirit7645]

I remember watching Heroic v.s. The Mongolz on Twitch, didn’t know what cadian was doing!😂

[@waynewanye7558]

the part that bothered me was not the "fucking noobs" it was the fact that all match long Cadian was screaming while the rounds were still live. Like trash talk is fine, but hes literally distracting the other team(and yes they could definitely hear him yelling unintelligible Danish) while they are still playing. Then of course he goes absolutely silent all match vs Astralis while device is outclassing him.

[@1sketchy]

no shot his mic peaked directly on him saying "LOUD"

[@widestcat7407]

As someone who doesn't play counter strike, this is really funny

[@wanotai91]

Bottom fragging and winning then all chatting ggez is the best feeling ever

[@TF2_n_n]

W take

[@midwestem0]

😂😂😂

[@liamn2030]

I mean, it was ez for you, sincd you didn't have to do anything to win. You're technically right, but I will say that you shouldn't be proud of winning without helping your team to win.

[@TF2_n_n]

@liamn2030 only saying ggez doesn't imply anything other than it was a gg and ez clap

[@runek100]

Exactly lol. Also say gg and be respectful after losing, so they have no satisfaction from it.

[@RemySoeters1]

Trashtalk = psychological warfare

[@nuno.g.pereira]

I only go for the gg ez when the other team cries

[@amirhoseinabdi762]

the litteral worst trash talking is when someone cheats or are being carried by a cheater trash talk so hard.

[@oscarnilsson4906]

The time he silenced Furia in Rio is one of the best moments in CSGO history - true classic

[@annekedebruyn7797]

To be fair, trashtalking is just fun. It adds an extra embarrassment layer when you trashtalk and lose. So the stakes are higher. Only form of trashtalk I hate is people doing it only after. There is no fun in that.

[@Infernal07]

In some part it's also about THE TILT ! BMing your opponent is like going for the risky knife kill, payoff is to throw off your opponent by destabilizing his mentality, making him think about insults, or how to get revenge, or anything else instead of completely focusing on the game itself.

[@abefroman2477]

Exactly, alot of people who shittalk in games don't actually care. They want a rise out of the opponent or distract them. I love it when I type ggez or noobs in chat and people try to break our their inner psychologist like they can tell who you are over a video game.

[@ItsQix]

That Eve jungler reference was way too specific and seemed personal lmaooo

[@DatBeast18]

if no one talked ever it would be boring as hell

[@Lukkaa35]

I love trash talking as long as it's friendly banter

[@thepeacekpr]

I always keep my enemy chat muted in Valorant.

[@xxojibwayboyxx7631]

That canadian clutch was actually cracked i remember watching that

[@savk0n1]

In my opinion, cadiaN can talk shit, scream, trashtalk and everything else to absolutely anyone, BUT the Asian and Oceanic teams unless they too start trashtalking.

[@VonDoehner]

why should they get special treatment?

[@judicialx]

@@VonDoehner Imagine trashtalking to a pro player who is 12 years younger than him, i don't mean he can't but if you have started playing the game even before your opponent bornt then it's cringe af 💀

[@zygbeee8563]

@@judicialxwhat about young players frim other regions like monesy?

[@nutmeg6463]

​​@@VonDoehnerbecause they don't have the resources and competitiveness that the European team has (except for Australians and Chinese, perhaps). So, it does make sense that Asian and Oceanic teams are generally worse, and trash-talking to someone worse (especially because of their condition) is just an insult and not fun. Trash-talk to someone as privileged as we are, then it becomes fun.

[@frytsmo]

@@nutmeg6463 EXACTLY!!!!! i've seen cadian trash talking screaming a lotttt and i love it im not gonna lie. i just love the trashtalking in csgo pro scene but when heroic was at a 1 map loss and getting their ass kicked in second and when he was screaming i just felt ......Racist, narcisistic, insult/dark vibe from him. Man these Mongolians are becoming best in asia against all freaking odds it is really fun watching them

[@KevinDC5]

The great Darrell Royal Texas football coach once said when you’re in the end zone, act like you’ve been there before!

[@santiagolozoya3439]

HEY COLD, HOW MAD ARE YOU RIGHT NOW!?!?

[@yesno9374]

Honestly the headset-off defuse was cold 🥶

[@yvesmija]

the fact that this has to be even a discussion is embarrassing.

[@greigmccormack6252]

I never start the trash talk but you can be damn sure if the enemies start it and we go on to win the game... They are getting flamed.

[@protoman1678]

If ever this roster came legends 2 years from now, vs past prime cadian. This will be immortalized and would become a meme. This will sting cadian in the future. What goes around comes around.

[@matt1219]

5:50 that sounds very specific, is that based on experience?

[@dillquincy6409]

i also love the bottom frag "ggez"

[@terminusest9179]

Astralis BMing and then s1mple yelling back "you fucking suuuck" was funny ngl.

[@Javier-zq4rd]

we are not pissed, that trash talk came from love

[@underratedgamer9840]

Talking trash is part of the game, if you let some shit talking get to you then you lose, it's all a mental game

[@user-rq9hc3gu1j]

He is helping and motivating his team with this atitude,the rest are just stories.

[@JR-nw1li]

RIP Canadian, long Live astralis

[@lakshityadav7942]

Sad he is no more with us RIP

[@bidoro_12]

Astralis is playing de_airport tonight

[@Juan.Fortnite.2008]

"Those who not know JW, to any CadiaN they pray"

[@seamusmcsorley7638]

Hot take: the pro scene was more interesting when it was a little rougher around the edges. There was a Goldilocks zone in like 2016-2019 where real money came into the game but everyone wasn’t so “professional,” and that gave us some of the best rivalries. Trash talkers are the heels of esports. We need them, otherwise it’s a bit sterile

[@JayemsReid]

I also had this argument against Karrigan. Sometimes he pop off so much while ropz and co do all the work

[@PunzL]

Karrigan makes good banter. Cadian is just abrasive

[@PrivateJoker0119]

Being a good leader is also being a good cheerleader, ... if you aint playing well, the least you could do is feed your top fragger's confidence

[@williambaxter4166]

Paul Brown: “oooooo, say less 😏”

[@rk__dp]

That's my tweet 3:51 😂😂😂😂. I love cadian and his passion for CS. His personality is great and we need more players like him that is how the scene will grow. My only concern was the way he called mongolez after losing a map and almost losing 2nd map, that was a bit too much. I would love to see him say that to s1mple/dev1ce/niko/zywoo. At the end this is CS and we love everyone in the scene, who helps grow and brings more into the community.

[@PHNSPR]

He explained why, on Gaules stream. He said they always ignore them, when he said hello and shit like that, he thinks it might be a cultural thing, but he uses as motivation/motive to shit on them, thats it. just look at Gaules VOD from that day, the interview is like 1min.

[@madeoc]

That's weird reasoning imo. Trash talk should be for the game and only about the game to gain a mental advantage or hype up your team, not about outside stuff. Once you bring in outside issues that makes it toxic.

[@MrJuggalo909]

So Jankos is literally in every league?

[@RrmrTV]

Id rather hear someone talk shit early into a game than later when things are pretty much over.

[@srbclangaming]

It’s sports, and I will always have high expectations from cargo players. Ever since I was a little kid I would play in internet cafes and do 5v5 clan wars (1.5-1.6) and team captains were always like Cadian. As said, it is sports, emotions will always be included, and their ways of cope or celebration will always be different as all human beings are different. Thank you csgo players for remaining the gigachads of esports culture!

[@syskorazo]

I come from a Gears of War background and well when the organizer even makes a video about talking smack it all comes down to "Thats gears baby!!!" As long as it doesn't involve someone's family I think it's all fair game

[@b3to653]

I miss GoW scene

[@ward7576]

Prove me wrong - snax's reaction to his clutches were the most epic and humble

[@kntfhvn]

sick witcher frames my guy

[@ArJayDM]

5:50 i swear this guy has issues. Aint no way he used a score video to complain about his league game. That shit was way too specific to be made up. Dude is super sensitive emotional boy

[@3lite474]

Short answer: No Long answer: F*ck no

[@gherardorangoni955]

He said that against a young team that was exceeding every expectetions and still couldn't back it up and lost 13 rounds after that. I prefer much more Dev1ce that was trash talking but also recognising Monesy for his incredible plays.

[@DedCatVT]

Dont know if it counts as trashtalk but, KangKang standing up and imitating his OP at tokyo masters was fucking glorious

[@zeryle]

Short answer: No. Long answer: No, he didn't.

[@thearbiter3369]

The clutch v Furia/the stare and taking his headset of to hear how quiet it is. That’s fucking cold I don’t care who you are 😂 At the same time, nobody should be mad at this. Mongolz earned the respect from heroic. They also earned the right to clap back after winning that map too😂

[@revolver_fps]

the best trash talk in game is to just drop a "?" after getting a kill

[@SnipzGaming-iw4so]

unlucky that u cant join the faceit group if ur not from US 😮‍💨

[@MHFreak1997]

i think some banter is pretty enjoyable.. u dont cover RL a lot but Comm is a Menace and nobody cares but now Astralis is the enemy and suddenly its not ok... i think i get the point

[@senorvac2604]

I would understand trashtalking in this situation if the Mongols were BMing Heroic, but those guys didn't say a word. That is the reason why this was wrong and anyone can decide whether or not this was OK. For me it wasn't, Mongols were not disrespecting them in any way. Also, I would like to know why Cadian didn't trashtalk like that in Brazil Major? Because they would have chopped him into pieces right there on the stage. Cadian is just a trash person.

[@Brazio20]

No need to went as far back as Brazil Major, where's that energy when he played against Astralis? 😂

[@runek100]

Have you even seen the major?

[@IsdisLos]

Trashtalk creates drama. Drama creates a story. A story adds more viewership. More viewership makes esports more successful.

[@madeoc]

If the players are good enough the gameplay itself should create the viewership. Pros that need trash talk to create views need to practice their aim. Trashtalk is fun once in a while but to say it's essential for entertainment is an L take and will eventually ruin the sport if it becomes more about talk rather than the gameplay.

[@Yuuzer_]

Your take on trash talk reminded me of a game I played recently. Enemy team was trolling on pistols and spamming chat with trashtalk because they won. Long story short game ended draw. We were MGE, they were global elite, let's just say some people were insecure after that.

[@de.n30]

that’s why I mute enemy team comms in configurations, so I never even see those messages. I just type “gg” at the end no matter the result. Much healthier this way.

[@cursre4324]

You should have shown Mongolz reaction. Spawned one of the funniest CS memes I've seen.

[@madjad22]

Man never watched any halo or Gears of War shit talk, the pros made mw2 voice chat look pg 🤣

[@runek100]

We would type it in the chat, he screams it right at them. I want to see more.

[@madeoc]

I think what Cadian did was more of a wrong place and time kind of situation. What he said and did wasn't necessarily bad but it was in bad taste considering the banter was extremely one-sided and it made the atmosphere awkward rather than tense or hype like regular banter. Also, his post-match explanation as to why he did it to the Mongolz team was weird.

[@dillonworrall2739]

If you can trash talk on twitter then you should be able to trash talk in person

[@f0rn1x]

1:16 that's F***ing cool, man! good score, keep going

[@nooobiechild]

Don't understand what all the commotion is all about. I actually like the fire and flair he brings to the game. Not to mention he's a great player and a great analyst whenever he's on the panel.

[@Voltaid]

Cs players never seen CoD tourneys before xD

[@kevinrath3988]

it's feel like candian treating mongolz like top tier team wich is pretty good of him . if he like to talk alot of shit and suddenly not talking shit just because it was lower tier team . it's hurt alot more lol being looking down like that

[@kopownd4965]

i say ez after a game purely to tilt

[@user-nw1je1ur6t]

Its all in good fun guys

[@Skaatje]

I say *"GG EZ"* when I lose.

[@minilager]

Trash talking = screaming your lungs out, across the room, like a 12 year old? Nothing wrong with a little trash talk pre-game. But this instance makes the professional scene look like a complete joke compared to other sports.

[@b3to653]

Soft

[@JoyKazuhira]

i remember back in league, i was playing tahm kench on top and darius clap me so bad im beyond saving but our vayne zilean mowed and outplayed almost everyone on sight. we won and i get the last word.. "ggez eziest top ever".

[@bidoro_12]

It hurts when it's the truth...

[@Goolesy]

I said this when Sentinels were shooting bodies the entire round in Valorant, and everyone was saying it was the best to build rivalry when it was just cringe childish shit, 2 teams being the best of the best is what build rivalries. Monesy and Device was a good example of great sportsmanship and rivalry.

[@Goolesy]

Let the plays do the talking, not the school yard bull shit these 12 year olds find hilarious. Then will also carryon doing those same things in Match making,

[@3br1ce7]

Mfs wouldn’t survive in the FGC. Imagine if CSGO players had to play with Yipes and Koustics roasting the absolute fuck outta them 🤣

[@nolanmaras]

Bring on the trash talk I love it

[@MuseR.]

5:57 this sounded personal

[@evelynsahoe8896]

I don't know if I'm in the minority but I love trash talk at the pro level and in my games. Whenever an enemy or teammate starts talking trash it becomes more than just another pug cause I want to shut them up. For pros I think it adds some needed flavor to the eSports viewing experience, it creates rivalries and heels making things more interesting.

[@iProsenjit98]

Twistzz is a tournament said "sit the fuk down". No one said anything The hate towards cadian is unreal

[@ezvacgaming8120]

the thing which makes me laugh when i lose and the bottom fragger says ur losers xD

[@frasersnow4984]

The main issue I take with this is his skill. He's trash talking like this to a team ranked #30 in the world while they're ranked #1, and it took them double OT to not get 2-0'd. Then you look at games like the one they lost to Astralis and you see him completely silent. They also fail to win almost anything, so I don't know why he acts like he's the best player in the world when trash talking. Just overall very tasteless in my opinion.

[@Jan-sv4tr]

Since the clutch in the ProLeague final comedian is just going downwards. A lot trash talk and even more chocking

[@rasmusnielsen5163]

Literally just played a game of Arena, where a pair of an Annie and an Ivern, trash talked after every single round they won... So pathetic, especially with that comp.

[@Cheems59]

It's streamed live for a reason, its a show. Would you like to see pros play the way you do at home? You sit down, queue up ranked, and if you win a game you just get back in queue. So are they supposed to go up on stage, play the game, and then just get up and leave?

[@haavard1989]

Me and my mates tend to meet people who writes "EZ" in all-chat every round, and our rule is "Don't say anything". When they start loosing, they mostly claim us for cheating or they suddenly become real quiet. If we win, we allow ourselves to write "gg ez" at the end to let them know that shutting up and be humble might get you further, both in games and life. But anyways, if you get destroyed, be humble and write "ggwp" at least. You get nothing out of shit talking.

[@ZkyHi]

Trash talking in sports has been around since the inception of sports. Pride and ego play a big factor which for me as a spectator make it all the more enjoyable to watch :3

[@CatnipCuisineAbroad]

No, this is like the 90's pure gold you get fired up and bring your A game and it gets more competetive, its a mental game also like dota, street fighter and other competetive games.

[@magnusbrannstorph811]

i think trash talk just makes the game more exciting. Feels so good to win over a toxic team.

[@steffenaltmeier6602]

that's just how it is! you can be a god gamer, but misplay once and you get called a noob.

[@BeanedPotato]

sounds like someone gets mad when someone says gg ez