Was cadiaN Betrayed?

[@Smallfrye]

I feel like almost everyone who supported Heroic did so because of cadiaN, myself included.

[@funserious2632]

if you woke me up in the middle of the night and told me to name the Heroic players...Cadian would be the only one that immediatly comes to my mind

[@Masheen]

He’s an obnoxious, self centered person with main character syndrome. At least that’s what he portrays to the world and it rubs people the wrong way. Perhaps it became too much for his own team as well.

[@hussle501]

@@Masheen crazy, that is not at all how i see him. might actually be the exact opposite.

[@SAISAI-kv7ds]

​@@Masheen It doesn't matter if he is an obnoxious, self-centered person with main character syndrome if he fulfills his IGL position and wishes the best for his team. In fact, he won the major. No?

[@chunkycheese636]

@@SAISAI-kv7dsHe didn't win any major, came close though and made the grand finals in Rio. But they lost to VP

[@flamingooooz4926]

yes. Heroic is dead and so is my respect for these players. (not cadian, still love cadian)

[@inoo2345]

Tbf we don't have jabbi and stavns side yet

[@gm0neyx]

It’s just funny how when combining their names, you get “Stabbi.” We should call this scenario the Stabbi Gate.

[@Isvarraam]

In a word, Yes. I hate Heroic for the decision for dropping Cadian. I liked them because of him.

[@frostywhoo]

Uss

[@perukanotdead]

i don't like heroic because of him

[@Malucher0912]

Yes, but at that point it was a 2 for 1 trade. Hopefully Cadian’s brought back in if Stavn and Jabbi leave for Astralis

[@Isvarraam]

​@@Malucher0912 The thing is that astralis has a certain awper by the name of dev1ce dunno if u hv heard abt him.

[@MOMO-m0m0]

@@IsvarraamI would urge you to re read his comment because you misunderstood him

[@kaiserchill]

Absolutely love the censoring of swear words except for when cadian says "fucking" 15 times in ten seconds

[@bryanpowers1454]

Only reason I like heroic was cadian, it will be cool to see where he goes

[@muxinwang7771]

Liquid. He is going to save NA

[@Cheezer3089]

Without Cadian there is no Heroic . They did my boy Cadian dirty 😢🤬

[@therandom20000]

I supported heroic because what cadian can do as the captain of heroic, he turned this roster into not just a lineup but a brotherhood, he made good calls and they can rely on one another to win, not to mention the INSANE amount of clutches and plays cadian did and now its all out the window. It pains me to see cadian go but when news came out that stavn and jabbi wanted him out just made it even worse as a heroic fanboy. Not to mention stavn and jabbi were talking behind the organizations back. Heroic was the last team I expected to have a reshuffle or drama going on since their bond as a team is unmatchable 👍

[@Honeythief__]

Hey stavn, I’m queuing matchmaking and had a question about the map pool. Should I pick Dust 2 like how you left Cadian in the dust, Inferno like the flaming mess you turned HEROIC into, or Mirage like how you always disappear in playoffs?

[@ppstorm_]

cringiest comment ive seen online

[@yvngwonderchild]

youre not cool lol

[@niftyK]

LET HIM COOK

[@Wavezzzz601]

Man has to steal memes off Twitter to appear funny 😱

[@Herokaine]

Nt bud

[@ExoticPain96]

No Cadian , no Heroic

[@MY-Danial]

WE GOT CADIAN JOIN ASTRALIS BEFORE GTA 6

[@kqyto]

in a few months It'll be revealed that the players are all in it and Cadian told the boys to kick him so that it'll go under the radar from heroic and not made him in contract jail, bcuz it'll be revealed that Heroic as an org is collapsing

[@Fouriersuir]

Genius analysis

[@eyecontactleadsto]

What is the hell even that post by Stavn, totally agree with fl0ms’s take it’s like mate your name is being dragged through the dirt and you come out with some cryptic ‘truth’ tweet, now would be a good time to tell it no?!

[@karlingtonbanks898]

He might be contractually obligated to not say anything negative about heroic, it's not unheard of in esports contracts

[@eyecontactleadsto]

@@karlingtonbanks898 possibly but I can’t think of a contract that wouldn’t be broken with the other party involved being able to publicly bash you and you being unable to respond.

[@zettour.]

​@@eyecontactleadstoPlus, there's no reason for Heroic to just defame two people. The vicarious liability is huge. Motive is really what's in doubt here rather there the circumstances that played out, though it's possible if Heroic lie by omission mayhaps? But it's so hard to figure out what could possibly paint stavn and jabbi in a better light assuming everything Heroic has publicly stated so far is true, which it almost certainly is.

[@sho7078]

Top 10 anime betrayal. up there with Fly's OG betrayal.

[@artebax9966]

Stavn its the snake , typical 20 kg goblin

[@dingoo__o8693]

look how happy dimitri is because the rumours say cadian is going to liquid

[@hachibei4914]

They will accept anything good available. 😂

[@cocrush8470]

with how they have been together, this is unbelievable. If only stavn or jabbi share their version of truth, they can push this weight away.

[@HellDuke-]

It's not so much a version that is needed, the facts of the matter have to be quite different from what was alleged. For example if they gave the ultimatum after previously having grievances with CadiaN and only after they were told no they signed with Astralis then yeah, that could be seen as reasonable. However if they had signed the contract before the ultimatum or before they got a response to it, then there is no version that can spin this in their favour.

[@cocrush8470]

what if there's no ultimatum at all? everything that has been told comes from the org. I'm saying it's unbelievable cos the team had good chemistry. I do understand that unless both of the players comes up with a statement they are in the wrong here.

[@2008Pain]

Yep. Can't believe Stavn would do this to Cadian.

[@KATANA-7]

3:56 Damn that was a lot of emotions, and was very impactful, imagine having a team speach like that before a game 🤧🔥💚❤️💙

[@biomursu2798]

It was a great roster. Sad to see it break down like this. I do believe all of them will do great things in CS2 in the future. No matter the drama, I still respect all of their undeniable talent and great work ethic.

[@hejmuesli]

Let's reserve our judgement until we've heard Stavn and Jabbi's side of this.

[@PrivateJoker0119]

hey now, this is the internet! there's no place for logical and mature thinking here!

[@Slick6464]

Bro, stavn tweeted “Gotta love the world we live in😂. What is the saying? Truth always prevails,” and then didn’t even elaborate or give his story. It’s not looking good for their situation. Also Jabbi has been silent

[@tolgacam1907]

almost 2 months and still nothing from them

[@douglaced5910]

And........ Now they're back together 😂😂😂😂

[@Sharphe]

I love soap opera level esports

[@poisonblood360]

i love cadian i will always support what ever team he is on

[@kaijoon2483]

Are we gonna see another fly and notail situation again?

[@moke23]

Liquid vs heroic next major final

[@TrakzFPS]

stabn and stabbi

[@amartripathy]

I loved heroic just for cadiaN If he ain't there there isn't a thing to like

[@ashtheflash5423]

Whos here after cadian signed with astralis

[@Spetsnazty]

I don’t think they thought heroic would bench Cadian, so they made other plans. Weird situation.

[@dereknichols4376]

Are u even following the scandal? Heroic asked them to prolong their contracts=they said they wont unless they kick Cadian *They kicked Cadian Then they said they want to join Astralis and wont prolong the contracts It happened after Heroic kicked Cadian based on their request it's not happening on the same time So its clear they planned it ahead

[@Spetsnazty]

@@dereknichols4376 I don’t think your following along. They said us or him, heroic chose them, but it seems they already had plans to go to astralis. Catch up guy.

[@dereknichols4376]

@@SpetsnaztyAre u that dense? U think they thin Heroic wont pick their side so they already make plan for Astralis? are u that naive?

[@nickytijtgat4936]

@@dereknichols4376 Is that so far-fetched? CadiaN is the heart and soul of Heroic, and you can be damn sure Heroic knows that. Honestly, Heroic choosing Stavn and Jabbi over CadiaN kind of baffled me. No matter how well they played, Stavn and Jabbi are replaceable. Good luck finding a replacement for CadiaN. Looks like you're the dense kid here if you think Stavn and Jabbi weren't just looking for an easy way out of their contracts to join Astralis. I think the both of them were just as surprised as every sensible person would be when Heroic chose them over CadiaN.

[@superhessu3]

If simple leaves navi should get cadian as awper and co igl

[@ka1ru]

And now he's with them in astralis lmao

[@TraeBaldwin]

Sad to see this happen to my favorite team and player :'(

[@JosephLi-z2k]

Stavn’s always been a bit of a snake but I didn’t expect jabbi to also be.

[@trappedsouls2125]

I’ve been playing and watching CS since the beginning of this year and hated Heroic for knocking out Navi in a past tournament. When I heard the news I was shocked cuz even I knew that Heroic was nothing without Cadian and hated the move, Off season is snake season I guess

[@-m1chaeL-]

heroic is not heroic without cadiaN

[@infeCtedRonald]

You forgot to mention Dupreeh coz stuck into all this, lol

[@kivori3438]

The most strange thing would be that they pushed cadian out to gain the awper and igl role and get dupreeh

[@CHRoOMAX]

Heroic = Cadian. No Cadian = No Heroic

[@joshuaarreola4786]

I could expect this betrayal from stavn, since that rumor that i cant remember if it was true of being part of a cheating with someone else's girl, but from jabbi :c dang.

[@Slick6464]

Swisher’s girlfriend apparently cheated on him with Stavn during Katowice this year

[@sonatine3266]

I'm not even playing CS anymore, but I still like to watch CS e-sports from time to time and cadiaN is def. one of the most wholesome e-sport professionals I've ever seen. But everywhere where humans work, there is betrayal, there are lies and there is fraud and scam. So yeah... nothing is as it seems to the fans.

[@GamingRN001]

Cadian is soon to enter his villain phase..

[@Blackdog-c2t]

plot twist heroic make all this up and thye have stan and jabbi to choose between them and device

[@crykendy]

Without cadiaN, Heroic is nothing but a tier 2 team

[@kapilsharmaWorld_uncensored]

Stabi behaved like a battered wife who ask you to leave your misstress and after that divorce you.

[@sticky2803]

Damn, these cadian clips really makes it hurt. ...welcome to liquid buddy!!

[@astradarius]

Stavn and jabbi were overrated, but my god I never thought they were also snakes. Heroic needs to get rid of these 2 coinflip idiots and bring back Cadian who was a consistent performer in every single match Heroic has played along the years. And not only he was a great player, he was also a great leader. This was a bad decision on Heroic's side.

[@carylemaemackenzie3674]

I dont think he will return. If either stories are true or false Heroic already made the choice dropping him.

[@marlsonjamespinor4011]

@@carylemaemackenzie3674 hltv reports that cadian will be joining heroic for the upcoming Blast Premier as a "stand in".

[@anshumanroy4086]

WHERE ARE THE FUCKING LIVE STREAMS DMITRI

[@HOGBZB]

This guys videos always on point

[@2tofff]

@1:12 be honest, how many takes did it take to get this? xD

[@LuvU2x]

Don’t bite the hand that feeds you

[@In1tiateWasTaken]

You left out half the drama, most of it was the astralis part

[@Malucher0912]

Top 10 anime betrayals of al time 😂

[@Malucher0912]

Also, that’s more the fanbase than the team itself

[@-barndon]

Surprised you didn’t bring up Stavn’s history of being a snake with Swishers ex gf

[@air_w0lf766]

Hope for the best for CadiaN.

[@lupinmay1]

Roster mania season is upon us.

[@ky3518]

I really hope stavn and jabbi didnt actually do that to him. I hope that its all part of heroic's shenanigans

[@brokyyy]

Honestly feel bad for cadian

[@Noodlezoupful]

Dissapointing video, u guys so often deliver with near all the fact, but this one seems to be missing alot. Like how Astralis have been in contact with Stavn and Jabbi and rumored trying to buy Them. Wouldnt be suprised if its true they paid Them to ruin their biggest competetors Heroic paying Stavn and Jabbi to set this up so they could be the best in Denmark. They already did so much dumb stuff already like working with cheaters like Hunden aswell.

[@guitarandgames1386]

First heroic leaves the siege pro community. Now cadian gets benched. Is heroic imploding?

[@aleyaitsuka]

Question is which is worse? Fly and S4's betrayal of OG, or Heroic's betrayal of CadiaN?

[@pko_2.0_pop7]

Kjaerbae betrayal of Astralis comes close to that. Heroic's betrayal of Cadian comes close to EG betrayal towards Aui after TI5 and Secret betrayal towards M1sery & W33 after Shanghai Major.

[@aleyaitsuka]

@@pko_2.0_pop7 Yeah, I can see that. Like “Oh yeah, I know you just helped us win a big tournament, but we want to try someone new. Here’s your bags, get out.”

[@playerone4266]

Okay cadian redemtion arc everyone?

[@psychological9890]

Liquid cadiaN about to lead his new band of misfits to the grand finals of a Major))))

[@HEROICCS]

mom, i'm on tv! sort of

[@alext7202]

i always read his name as canadiaN

[@forgetit__]

I hope heroic will win major man, I've seen this plot before in other game.....

[@Khneefer]

"Stabbi" xD

[@blablahnothin1996]

I think that it was a team decision to drop Cadian cause i really doubt that 2 players could manage to convince Heroic to drop 1 player and leave it that, especially when Cadian is basically the soul of the team and he elevated Heroic to new heights

[@adityajadav9933]

Yes it was a team decision but the motion to remove cadian was led by stavn and jabbi

[@S1mplyKasper]

If Heroics story is true, then it's clear that Jabbi and Stavn were the instigators. The other two might've supported it, or at least felt like there was a clear divide between Cadian and then Stavn/Jabbi, and that a decision had to be made. They could also have been indifferent as to whom the org kept, and just let the org decide. If 2 people are of strong opinions to get a player gone, and the other two players on the team aren't of the strong opposite opinion, then I imagine two people can force that opinion.

[@yvngwonderchild]

Why would anyone believe Heroic? That organization is an absolute joke lol. I'd want this whole thing to be clear up before we jump to any conclusions and namecalling

[@Stoonks]

why would anyone believe heroic? probably because they actually gave their side of the story, while Stavn and Jabbi both have stayed silent besides a few cryptic tweets. also imagine calling an org that's made multiple major playoff appearances "a joke".

[@psychological9890]

and why should anyone believe stavn and jabbi who are refusing to give anything.

[@crazygamerbp]

Liquid aint even NA fuck them rats lets go COMPLEXITY

[@ineedc3477]

They still have 2 NA player doesn't they. They're like 2020s version of NoA now

[@lukhw1n657]

No shit he was betrayed Sherlock.

[@RhodesianSuperiority]

Cadia stands.

[@InTecknicolour]

cadian is heroic. no cadian, no heroic.

[@D0WnL0DeR]

If you came here to find out if it was true or not, dont bother watching this video. Summary: We dont know, more will come the next days. We will make sure to keep you updated.

[@blawhite24]

I cant wait to see crowd reaction Astralis vs Team Liquid... Liquid didnt transfer only awper, they transferred crowd behind them.

[@HUNGSC07]

We have 2 rats in the house

[@pine6003]

I feel thats like ence kicking alexib

[@vexule]

Ironic when they crying together when hunden blablabla , now doing this 😅

[@stuartwood530]

Been a big heroic fan for the last few years, cadians energy, crazy clutches and aggressive tactics are so fun to watch. But this news is just mental. Guess I'm a liquid fan now? Ps fuck astralis

[@riceprt1484]

"I am not going to cap with you, home ditilly dawg"🤓🤓🤓🤓

[@paulpietschinski3282]

CS2 is broken. The new rank system is trash, the hit boxes are non existent...shud I go on?

[@TheSwiftDJ105]

L stavn and Jabbi. I can NEVER support astralis... unless those two get benched 🤭

[@EccentricFollowedByMen]

Um

[@jerryjerry1850]

@@EccentricFollowedByMen😼

[@gregoriomanuellegarde4825]

The only good part about heroic is cadiaN

[@Erra66]

stavn and jabbi should be fined and removed from any tier 1 competition moving forward

[@gyd1714]

What 😂 why would they lmao

[@Erra66]

@@gyd1714 because they're snakes and im mad

[@Bj-vd2tp]

Jabbi stavn, watch out. Erra66 is mad

[@JackNCoke2008]

Apparently hatred for Cadian is universal

[@ThatHitman47]

nah aint no way they got rid of the clutch minister himself? imma follow cadian wherever he goes but heroic is kinda dead to me now that cadian is no longer on the roster

[@PrivateJoker0119]

blasphemy, cadian is not the clutch minister wtf..

[@sometimesgoodsometimesbad4578]

Heroic are the Manchester United of csgo

[@benlee3945]

Cadian should join NAVi🎉

[@SupremelyAverage]

Stavn and Gabi , snitches get stitches

[@Grandpapi_Yugi]

Yes lmao that's not even a question

[@muhammedtuncer3978]

I hope Heroic going to be t4 team deserve worst. HALA CadiaN

[@unknown00808]

Hahaha this people are giving Cadian another reason to push hard in CS2😂 For Cadian this is just a another reason he will be great

[@pali1H]

Alright, which one of their girlfriends did cadian bone?

[@LordJosef]

yes he was

[@LorDDemoniC]

Yes

[@Valhalla99999]

nice video guys

[@axxaurelian89]

ez disband ... points in hltv down the drain :))

[@Super8Dover]

Hopefully he can make perform a Zeus and win major with new team

[@nlnd6490]

Cadian to Liquid

[@DanynFineFutureConsiderations]

A video about this but not about halo worlds is crazy come on guys

[@braethenerd5109]

What is faceit?

[@Hotlmao]

3rd party matchmaking

[@braethenerd5109]

@@Hotlmao ty

[@chamikadilshan6280]

Hail Hydra

[@user-qi3ll2rb3v]

cheater-ses

[@InStevenWeTrust]

Your constant head bobbing and hand waving gives me a headache

[@TheArcaneEcho]

People still don’t get it. There is no longer an AWP position in CS2. The hit reg is garbage. In CSGO I could easily ace w the AWP because of the simplicity. Now in CS2 I have missed 100% accurate shots and I have hit on shots that should 100% have missed. Rifles are the meta in CS2. 💔

[@aegiltech]

That'll only be the case until reg is fixed. No one should be building a team thinking 'AWP useless forever'.

[@TheArcaneEcho]

@@aegiltech true but CS:GO was perfected over the course of several years. We don’t know how long hit reg will stay as is. If you’re a pro you gotta think in the now because there’s no guarantee valve is gonna fix it fast. I agree I think eventually the AWP will return as a position when HR gets fixed but rn if your role is an AWP you offer less than a talented Rifler.