Did DBD's Alien Chapter Fail?

Dead by Daylight's Alien chapter has been out for 3 months and now that we're ready to move on to the Chucky/Child's Play chapter, it's time to ask... did the Alien chapter kinda sorta fail? It seems like a wild thing to even ask, but there are certainly those who either didn't like the chapter or who think the numbers surrounding it were underwhelming. Did Xenomorph and Ripley fail? Let's talk about it.
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[@DineroSucio754]

I personally think nothing satisfies dbd players

[@naszirboyd9950]

To each their own right my dream chapter came in the form of resident evil and Leon he’s never in any crossover games that capcom dose

[@æce-17]

That theory didn't satisfy me

[@randomguy7951]

Behaviour could literally solve world hunger and their fans would create shitloads of forum posts saying it's "too one-sided"

[@Al_The_mediocre]

We are an empty void

[@JustMiluna]

​@@randomguy7951it's my experience with Twitter and Reddit People are just so miserable, while BHVR imo it's doing good Such a pity

[@1wispyy]

I just feel like the alien chapter came out at tye wrong time. I personally wouod have loved it a lot more if it came out at the end of the year instead of right after the other sci fi chapter

[@FinestFantasyVI]

Agreed, we are drowned in sci fi. From Tools of Torment to Alien, we got 3 sci fi chapters. Skull Merchant teaser made us think it was a robot. But we got a lady with high tech sci fi killer drones. Then End Transmission and we got a robot from the future. And now we get a sci fi franchise Alien. Im already in a sci fi fatigue as someone who isnt into sci fi as a genre. I enjoyed the Knights medieval aesthetic a lot more as its much more unique. I never saw a horror franchise set in a medieval historical time with a slasher killer being a ye olde medieval knight. A certainly more unique idea Im into. I just hope after Chucky, we dont get anything sci fi in a while

[@freezerounds]

@@FinestFantasyVI Skull Merchant isn't science fiction in the least. Drones are real.

[@MechaSandvich]

It coming out right next to TCM also didn’t help. I personally didn’t play as much DBD around Xenomorph’s release due to playing a lot of TCM.

[@FinestFantasyVI]

@@freezerounds Yeah, but not as high tech as hers. Her general vibe evokes sci fi to me. From the logo font, to the teaser and the menu music. The aesthetic is sci fi, that people even thought from the teaser they would get a robot killer. Which is why people got disappointed by her, along with her dreadful 3 genning ability

[@TheReZisTLust]

​@@FinestFantasyVI​​@fruitloops9612 you mean like the sniper drone? And we even have drones like the Switchblade which is sent to blow tanks up. A drone giving you a scratch isn't too crazy irl

[@zefuk2628]

Most people that talk about this seem to forget to mention the fact that the xenomorph didn't only come around the same time as the Texas chainsaw massacre game but it's also around the time when vaulting was completely fucked, Personally know a few people that dropped the game for that alone

[@ryuno2097]

They dropped dbd for tcm or tcm for dbd? I play tcm and what I saw that a lot of tcm players (dbd players) left tcm to go back to dbd because the Alien chapter dropped. Just look at the tcm player count now.

[@Zennethe]

the vault bug made people leave DBD - is what they mean.@@ryuno2097

[@dankmemes7796]

@@ryuno2097dropped it for a month or two sure .

[@GorbombZombay]

True I went to TCM wasn’t big on alien movies cept seeing it get crushed by predator and it’s like the first new killer got game a week before blight that I’ve literally only played like 3x just wasn’t that great for me as a licensed killer main with a sprinkle of others but chucky is my second fav slasher behind Myers so I can’t wait till he comes i don’t even care for the new TCM content chucky got me fixated lol

[@hyperboi4077]

True I forgot I binged TCM for a while during that time. That game is actually really fun but I’m always going to come back to dbd.

[@Cairsoir]

Haven't (obviously) yet watched the video in full, but I'll share something I've felt recently and that is that licences in DBD have reached a point where it doesn't matter what we get, people get bored and start anticipating next shiny thing. The Xenomorph has been one of those licences that was always on top of peoples wishlists and now that they're here they're just one of like 30 killers or whatever. I can see Chucky get same treatment, popular for a month at tops, then coming more rare unless they end up being absolutely busted because surely enough people love playing strong stuff. As I have been listening while typing this; a part for losing people despite gaining popular licences can also be attributed to the unfortunate fact that no matter who gets in game, popular character or no you end up running around pallets and gens, doing same shit with different spices. Gameplay is stale and having another killer with ability to hit bit further or dash at survivor or teleport across the map somehow isn't that new or exciting. For the record, I liked the alien chapter; map is ok, xeno is really nice killer that got into my rotation and while I didn't get ripley she seemed to have couple usable perks, even if not OP.

[@FinestFantasyVI]

We'll see what Chucky gets. Some compare him to Blight shockingly enough.

[@opaulada8236]

I kinda disagree with you Chucky is (maybe) being overhyped at this point, but still has a core simple gameplay for both sides (this is a factual point of view) There are small interactive issues with his power, but they dont bother me as much as xeno’s (this is a personal point of view) One thing chucky has that xeno doesnt which might help his longevity is the fun-animation-cartoonish interactions (playerbase loves that shit, myself included) Also, he has a base thing that makes any killer player automatically Feel better once they load into the match: the 3rd person pov! All in all, his inovations didnt afecct surv gameplay versus him when compared to other killers, like xeno did (with the need of preparing turrets, or even wesker’s infection system, both of which kinda hurt solo queue) Only thing chucky has that hurts solo queue is stealth, which we have already seen in a lot of other killers

[@Korhi]

The new player experience is also just awful, it's easiest to see in the first RE chapter, that brought in a shit ton of people, but hardly any of em stayed. Every chapter that might bring in new players never lasts. This game doesn't really have a playercount problem, but a player RETENTION problem.

[@DasFood]

I believe you’re spot-on about the “next shiny thing.” Many in this community - myself included, to some extent - enjoy the speculation and anticipation more than the actual gameplay. Kind of like how so many people watched FNAF vids & read the lore but never played the games. Sometimes, the buzz around a game is more fun than the game itself. Hard to see a license having staying power by its own merit at this point, unfortunately. I suppose this is one of the downsides of being a “museum for horror icons”

[@Zakon673]

"I can see Chucky get same treatment, popular for a month at tops, then coming more rare unless they end up being absolutely busted because surely enough people love playing strong stuff." - this is the healthy progression of every new killer. Popular for the first month so everyone becomes familiar with them, and then becomes just another member of the roster. Survivors don't like getting the same killer too much. Look at Wesker, he basically suffered from success, popular to play as and against. But survivors got sick of him because his popularity never waned like it usually does for killers.

[@BlphBain]

i’m not even an alien fan but i think the Alien is such a crazy cool killer to play against. the flame throwers are so fun, it makes me want a perk that lets you start with a flamethrower or pull one out of a locker or something…

[@ItzYourValentine]

I don’t think alien chapter was the problem (altho it did have some issues) I think people me included have been getting sick of the same dbd game loop and thought alien would revitalize that and when it didn’t it really sunk in that dbd as a base game could use some changes.

[@dickassman9904]

Exactly how I feel

[@tickoyo]

On your point about steam being the largest playerbase: BHVR has said multiple times that between PC and console as a whole, console has the majority of players

[@Zoulz666]

I started playing the game a month or so before the alien chapter came out. But I felt like it was a solid addition.

[@bye1551]

For me i just dont feel like "the alien" when I play xeno. I don't feel like an unstoppable predator sneaking around that could show up at any time, and when I do it's a spectacular blood bath. I feel like a normal killer with a clunky ranged attack that can barely hit over walls with a bad teleport. I understand balance is a thing, but the character fantasy should be kept in tact I feel. When I play as clown, i feel like an insane sicko gleefully playing with my prey, disoroentating them and trapping them in an impossible situation they can't escape. When i play Wesker I feel like a hypermobile badass spreading my infection and masterfully using my predictions of the survivor responses to my advantage. I think thats the main problem. Some killers feel like you're playing the character, some you just feel like you have some mechanics slapped onto a model.

[@bigenemy000]

Man, as a pre-rework Freddy main i agree a lot. Freddy since his rework became the "weirdo blood stain placer" instead of feeling like Freddy Krueger

[@j_c3792]

I do think that the tunnels make you feel like the perfect organism you're playing

[@alexandervelez9507]

what would you change to make it feel more like a xeno?

[@getdowngiveme2040]

​@@alexandervelez9507That it could have jumped from a wall as an attack animation, and while in this state, it's undetectable, giving survivors more than one reason to set up flamethrowers because they can help you finding it.

[@bye1551]

@@alexandervelez9507 I'd make maybe like 3 more vents which are random on the map so there's some unpredictability rather than just "watch your back if you're on a generator because there's a vent right next to it" and make it so for a brief time after emerging from one, xeno is undetectable can insta kill a nearby survivor but is slower, so you're encouraged to know where the survivors are ahead of time, use the vents to sneak up on them and get the jump. I'd also make it so while in runner mode, if he destroys a turret, he can place down a 1 time portal again but a turret automatically places itself at the entrance to a random tunnel to make him feel more like the alien in the movies that kills, jumps out of sight and plans their next attack, but the survivors have some leeway. The fear of "the alien" is this stalking apex predator that you don't see until it's too late and you have no chance of escaping, not a killer that chases you and catches you because it has a ranged option.

[@mastercheif1173]

There was only one real problem I had with the Alien chapter and that’s the hit box on Xeno’s tail. Too many cases of “in what world was that a hit!?”

[@GrizzyBizzy]

and then when the tail hits it misses

[@darkron288]

While probably not financial failure the alien chapter and chucky chapter fail in one big way for a license chapter, and that is they failed to bring in a new audience, both alien AND chucky cater to the core dbd audience so they REALLY didn't bring new players in and just made the current players happy, part of a point of a license chapter is get new people into the game, get new eyes on the game and chucky and alien just didn't do that

[@gageowo9527]

That's why gaming crossovers have always been the biggest chapters in terms of growth. It's borderline impossible to find a lobby without one of the silent Hill characters or resident evil characters in it, either Survivor or killer. It allows people to play some of their favorite video game characters in another game or different genre entirely, or play single player characters in a multiplayer game.

[@FinestFantasyVI]

@@gageowo9527 imo its harder to get movie fans into a game rather than gaming fans. RE and Silent Hill at their core are gaming franchises. Where as while Alien has a few horror games, the casual fans are movie fans. So DBD would only get a few hardcore Alien fans into this. Chucky might be the same as it might not bring new people. But with his power being compared to Blight, he might get quite a few mains. I know people hate this franchise that I will say. But I do see FNAF actually bringing an audience to DBD. People might be like 'oh they kids'. But remember that FNAF as a franchise is 9 years old. And those teens are now people in early 20's. So its not that bad. And with a FNAF movie, behaviour actually has a solid idea on what a survivor would look like. Where as before we were just '''uuuhhh purple guy''

[@aaq1655]

Chucky is not released yet

[@lukasingel]

You should take into consideration as well that it may not have been a case of gaining a lot of players but rather a case of them preventing a bigger loss. They were losing players at a steady pace. The Alien Chapter may have played a part in moving in the right direction.

[@ghostflame9211]

thats a good point. maybe they were already losing more due to TCM, but alien saved a few people from leaving.

[@hyperboi4077]

This is a good theory. The months, heck even the year, leading up to Aliens release was probably the roughest part of dbd’s life span. We got flop killer after flop killer then the anniversary wasn’t even licensed. It was starting to feel like dbd was losing their licensing charm and failing to gain traction (Cote’s interview also seemed to support this at the time). I think they made a big mistake dropping all the Ls at the beginning of the year only to release two icons AND bring stranger things back at the end.

[@Justmonika6969]

​@@hyperboi4077 Yep, the beginning of the year sucked for DbD. Everything was looking pretty bleak actually until the Alien chapter dropped.

[@ihmislehma]

The Alien chapter for me was a frustration. The tail attack often feels unavoidable and there's very little reaction time, the fact that if I get found while lugging a turret it's a damn free hit (just... give us an "oh shit" button that drops and breaks it and adds a cooldown to grabbing a new one or something, or baseline faster walking with it and running drops it), and I guess general burnout from all the tunneling killers. (No, I'm not high MMR, at least I don't think so.)

[@Katana314]

Something I hated was, in a recent chase compilation from Yerv, he successfully baited the tail attack three times in a row at pallets/windows…but because Alienboy keeps up so much speed during the attack and so little recoil, it closed distance anyway and got the hit as a result. Normally three power misses would be great for survivor.

[@ihmislehma]

Oh damn. At least Chucky seemed fun on the PTB, though he's really oppressive in skilled hands. His dash is very much something a good player can "flick" so much so that it feels unavoidable, a bit like a mix of Billy and Oni dashes in that sense. But Chucky is funny, shit talks endlessly, and I find his mori fun.

[@Katana314]

@@ihmislehma I hate being a naysayer, since everything you said about Chucky is true and awesome - but he has his own issue. When in HHM, the dash is the fun and counterable thing, but simply scampering directly under pallets in order to M1 takes so little time that at a lot of usually-safe loops, it's sort of a thoughtless counter to anything the survivor could do. I think it COULD be fixed by just lengthening the scamper animation, similar to Wesker.

[@GoldenDeer_]

@@Katana314it’s based on a decent longish cd though. Weskers cd is shorter

[@hyperboi4077]

I have noticed a lot more tunneling recently the automatic camping unhook thing also doesn’t really seem to work as intended. I played against a camping Wesker the other day. He stood right next to the hook for an entire hook 1 stage and somehow it wasn’t full by the time second stage hit.

[@RenTheDragon1975]

I am surprised you did not mention that Alien Launched the same month as TCM - I am one of those players that prefers the gameplay style of TCM so I have played mostly that since it launched. I still play DBD but TCM is my main game atm. I think lots of DBD players have switched to TCM - even if only for the short term for a change - that might have something to do with the figures for Sept. Also my Subjective take is as a Wraith main I was hoping for Xeno to be a True Stealth Killer - and the Fact that the Face Huggers only had a Cameo role in the map and not part of Xeno's power was a L for me - Their Acid blood should of had more of a role then it has. The fact that the tunnels do not change appearance for the map in question ruins the immersion for me I'm afraid.

[@DasFood]

TCM’s release definitely mattered & should have been mentioned. The only reason I left it out was because the game’s player bass dropped off so quickly that I didn’t want to use it as a cop-out for Alien. Still should have been mentioned in hindsight!

[@stooptv7993]

Face huggers are literally a d3ath sentence for the person getting attacked by one. How would that be a fair part of her Kit?

[@deletedaccount7]

Personally i never understood why people wanted the power to involve face huggers. It was pretty clear we were getting a base xenomorph as a killer and not a queen xenomorph. Yes, we did get the queen as a skin, but a skin isn't the base killer. Thematically it would make absolutely no sense for a regular xenomorph to use facehuggers in their power at all. With how big the queen model is compared to base though i honestly would have preferred if we didn't get the queen as a skin and instead got the queen as a different killer later on with a completely different power and play style than the regular xenomorph that did have facehuggers.

[@eem2wavy133]

@@stooptv7993you don’t think a person getting put through a hook, sliced open with a chainsaw, ext isn’t either? It’s a game at the end of the day. Face huggers could of been a interesting mechanic

[@stooptv7993]

@@eem2wavy133 fair enough.. it's more of a lore thing imo but I guess you could have it so if you Mori someone with face huggers, the d3ad Surv can birth an NPC to help you with the rest

[@amethystway2028]

As an alien fan, having them come into the game was my bread and butter, they're also one of the few accuracy based killers that does not punish you too much for playing on console (ehem, nurse/trickster) and that may contribute to why people think hes unfair as on pc she gets hits even easier. But i think in general the community just has fatigue of the core gameplay, hense why nearly every forum is talking about adding game modes, and probably why the Halloween event was so beloved.

[@tktxlegend4540]

I think one of the reasons DBD lost so many players (both before and after the Alien Chapter) is because killer mains were getting sick of MFT. Any time I played killer, there were 4 MFTs. Anytime I solo queued, all 3 of my teammates had MFT. I think MFT ruined the game for a lot of killer mains, so they just quit and decided they're either done or they'll come back when MFT gets nerfed.

[@DoctorCrescentMoon]

I play 110s a lot and yeah it’s hell, I’d rather take old DH

[@dineez627]

Well it's getting nerfed so the steam charts should increase right?

[@DoctorCrescentMoon]

@@dineez627 indeed

[@hyperboi4077]

I skipped the entire MFT meta and I’m glad I did. The dead hard meta was bad enough but I also seen a lot of survivor mains complaining that it’s perfectly balanced to run at almost the same speed as the killer with the right perk combos.

[@tescobag5704]

I havent played DBD in a a few updates, whats MFT?

[@thatfishguy4991]

No offense but I don’t think Predator is gonna do shit if Xenomorph didn’t. Springtrap is probably like the best way to grow the fan base atp.

[@evanjackson6785]

This is honestly kind of the very harsh reality it seems when it comes to just DBD's Chapters as a whole. As some others have said, people just seem to get bored very, VERY quickly with a lot of these Chapters, including some very big name IP's. The even sadder part is, it seems as though that'll be the case for the foreseeable future. Even if they bring in those giant IP's that everyone has been asking about for YEARS, like a Springtrap/FNAF, Jason/F13, Pennywise etc. it'll be the "hot new thing" for about a month or two and then people will just go "ok, what's next"?

[@endifernandez58]

I think the reason why this new Chucky chapter is hitting home compared to Alien’s is because it was unexpected. When you know the next chapter in your mind you make up expectations and when it doesn’t hit that it seems a failure. We got a teaser and that’s it for Chucky the night before his PTB release and no one knew it was coming so it’s a lot for fun. I also think Alien favors the comp side of DBD where as Chucky has been mostly for fun.

[@FinestFantasyVI]

Agreed. Its unexpected and new. With the latest info we had was from Matthieu "Would you like to play as Victor the whole game" during his interview, which made us think we wouldnt get it. Now coupled the surprise of that and Chucky being the only 3rd person killer we have. It will draw some people to the chapter. Plus his dash seems rather strong as I saw people compare him to Blight

[@Zakon673]

I dunno about that. Chucky is looking really strong and I think has the potential to become another staple of high tier DBD gameplay.

[@endifernandez58]

@@Zakon673 I think he has some strong add ons and his chase is very good, but with time just like any killer people will know how to counter. But compared to Alien where he has strong chase and being able to pressure the map with his tunnels, I think Alien will still be higher ranked for comp.

[@Kondziorek55]

I feel like everything after the Knight has started going downhill but since Alien it's slowly starting to climb back up because Chucky and Alien are finally the only new killers where their powers don't focus entirely on defending gens

[@LappyAwoo]

For me the big problem is expectations vs reality, i expected Alien to be super fast and stealthy, he's not really fast outside of his tunnels and since he got nerfed he just feels worse to play as, is he still good? sure, but in any other videogames where you can play as a Xenomorph they are terrifyingly fast and deadly, here in DBD he's stuck in pallet town just as most killers, he does have anti loop powers but after a while it doesn't feel like you are actually playing Alien, you are just playing "killer of pallets and kicker of gens number 30 something" he doesn't make the game feel fresh enough and maybe that's not an Alien problem but a DBD problem in general, breaking pallets and kicking gens is just as boring with any killer, maybe it's time for new game modes, because killers alone are not enough to make the game feel fresh or unique anymore...

[@championcqb]

After playing alien isolation, I feel like they shouldn’t have made a crawler mode and instead a running speed boost when entering a chase by passive, you might think wait but blight and legion does that, but they can do it on command I feel like if it was passive after entering chase it would be fair, fire turrets gives the killer (xenomorph) hinderness status effect after it burns you out of the speed. When in the boost it should make the footsteps of the killer louder. And a buff to fire turrets, after it has shot flames at you and gives you a slowness 20% effect it will take at least 40 seconds to ‘regenerate your health’? Or hiding in the vents/tunnels speeds the regeneration by 2 or 3x A balanced speed boost would be cool and as the survivor it would be cool to have some sort of way to fight back not just take away his power that doesn’t really impact the game that much.

[@championcqb]

(While you are currently burning in flames) you still have the speed boost since the alien is in a state of adrenaline in the game.

[@Flotter-Flo]

I think you should address the possibility that factors that are kinda outside the chapter's content could be causing some of the losses, like TCM coming out, the MFT problem, maybe compare the release date (Was Resi Pro W also released right after the biggest event of the year?) etc. Just some Das Food for thought here XD Solid video, though!

[@Heyy_Its_Kris]

To me, I didn’t even know that people thought Xeno was a failure tbh. Like I remember a lot of hype about them and people generally said it was a good chapter, although I haven’t had the chance to play it yet. In the end, it’s just people looking too much into numbers ig :/

[@DasFood]

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[@DarylMCDeath]

Answer to your Video title! Yes it did but its not because of Alien! Meanwhile everyone at least heard of DBD... and DBD AND its Community has its reputation... no one, not Alien, not chucky, no returningStranger Things, no Nick Cage, no Jason and no Springtrap can ever save them! People now know that this Game is a one sided shthole and the Devs are not very capable AND listen to the wrong people!

[@mosshivenetwork117]

I love playing as the princess xenomorph.

[@TheAwesomeAlan]

I think for Alien specifically, it's one of the few franchises that has so much else going on other than the Xenomorph itself. Obviously that is the staple, but you throw in Ovomorph eggs, facehuggers, queens, and other aspects of the lore of the franchise and you have a lot more that could've been brought to the table, similar to how DBD is handling Resident Evil. I was very disappointed that the chapter didn't utilize Ovomorph eggs/facehuggers in gameplay, since they themselves are still a huge part of the first film. The egg is even on the poster, so it was really disappointing. The chapter was really good, but could've been really great. Aside from the chapter itself, a lot of players left for Texas Chainsaw, and even more left once bugs invaded the game, so it was a really bad time.

[@Justmonika6969]

Yeah it's a good point to make that the Alien chapter didn't adapt enough of the lore. Like Resident Evil though, they could do a revisit to it sometime in the near future. However, that is unlikely. Project W was only possible because Resident Evil has so many good characters. Alien has a ton too but most Xenos could just fit as reskins of the current Xeno ingame. I mean they literally have a Queen reskin of the standard Xeno...no one expected that given the size difference.

[@doynedodd50]

I was seriously looking forward to this chapter, and what I got was kind of a mixed bag. I think the designs and attention to detail was incredible, behavior always does an amazing job honoring major franchises. In terms of mechanics, I think gameplay on killer and survivor sides was a bit disappointing. I thought they were going to embrace a truly "alien" functionality, but it's bipedal animations and motions are a bit bothersome. I wanted an interactive, fluid and ultimately rewarding killing machine. Instead, we got a spearheading-nemesis. It's power is just really unsatisfying to use. Nemesis even has a built in upgrade system for his whip that REWARDS using your power in a fun and interactive way. I will agree that the vent system is clever and I approve of it, but the use of the tail is boring and repetitive- and other than that I'm an M1 killer. I don't have a special pounce, I can't crawl on walls, and I'm not really a stealth killer. Survivor counterplay is slow and clunky- and honestly, against a good xeno; it's a fruitless effort. Turrets can be easily destroyed (even without add-ons) and placing one is slow and takes away precious objective time with no real safety provided. I feel like it's *almooosst* there. Only hopes of fixing it my way is the Freddy treatment unfortunately, can't see that happening anytime soon.

[@dickassman9904]

Yeah Alien had always been my dream chapter and I was very happy when Heard it was finally happening but I was expecting Cool stuff like wall climbing and facehuggers and motion trackers but instead we just got a more refined Demogorgon teleport with a hint of nemesis tentacle and worthless turrets which are more of an annoyance than an actual threat the xeno we got doesn't really feel like xeno it feels lot more like a upgraded Demogorgon go look up some AWP 2010 xenomorph gameplay if you wanna see Alien done right

[@Justadbdloverireallyamiswearok]

Biggest licensee behavior has ever had, but I don’t see any xenomorpjs or Riley’s anymore. But I think thats how it is with most. People try the charecters out and then they play their preferred characters again.

[@VaderTheWhite]

Now, nearly a year after the chapter's release, I still think the Alien chapter is great. Now, I'll admit, I'm a huge Alien fan, so I am a little biased, but the perks are cool and I think Xeno is actually really good. It helps that its gameplay is reminiscent of Dredge, who's my main. I do absolutely hate Nostromo Landing. This was a major disappointment to me. No amount of detail and Easter eggs can make me like this overly big, cluttered mess. And don't even get me started on the damn dinner table loop.

[@KevinDurantBurnerAccount]

I just remember how broken alien was when they first came out. Xenomoroh was so OP that if you played against a semi novice Xeno you’d 100% lose considering the tail whip had no cooldown. It was annoying considering every match was a Xeno for like 2 weeks straight.

[@stooptv7993]

Tbh, Xeno is just an underwhelming K!ller. Imo, Her tail should do more than what it does. Also the turrets make chases tedious, and while the tunnel mechanic is awesome, it gets boring and slightly repetitive. Hide in tunnel and wait to hear a Gen being worked on or you see footsteps. However I love the map. Fair for both sides, looks amazing. Possibly my favorite map 🙂

[@potatoweaver4116]

Well I was excited for an Alien chapter specifically for the chance to play as Ellen Ripley. So I was rather disappointed that we got some random chick cosplaying as Ellen. Actor likeness matters a lot with a character like Ellen Ripley. I just dont feel like Im playing as Ellen Ripley and I really tried to convince myself otherwise. So yeah it was a big let down on the survivor side.

[@bunnythehutt2148]

I personally thought they nailed the xenomorph's power to be lore accurate, but she's also another anti chase zoning killer and that archetype has been played out so much that she was always gonna be hated more then someone like chucky. Also doesn't help the dbd community is super toxic and complains about literally everything under the sun.

[@anne-rebeccajaninavanloock7015]

For me I loved Alien, been training the main my Queen, but I've had to stop playing cause the community is either so toxic I'm scared to play and adrenaline fucks me, or really nice and it was alright, but the later is so rare, that atm, I'm barely playing and that has nothing to do with the chapters

[@ivyisntreal2799]

Personally I wish the Nastromo (idk if I spelt that right 😭😭) was an indoor map because personally I love indoor maps but ik a bunch of people don't like indoor maps so i'd rather the map exist in a way more people like. Anyways loved the video ❤

[@chozo_artifact2]

Personally love the Xenomorphs inclusion. Might be a bit biased since I've been an Alien fan since I was a kid, but Ellen in my new survivor main and Xeno killer main. Loved this chapter and I'm happy for the inclusion!

[@DoctorCrescentMoon]

A lot of friends (mostly killer mains) stopped playing due to being tired of the MFT Hope Bucke People meta, when you play a 110 killer and run into 4 MFTs, yeah you don’t feel like playing for a while

[@ScarRaven3127]

my personal disposition towards alien is that they have a very uninspired design. like traversing through the tunnels is awesome, but the tail whip is just a boring m2 that mirrors nemesis and pyramid head. i just think they played it too safe with Alien, rather than coming up with something far more innovative and closer to what happens in the original film. we're missing the chestbursters.

[@MOTUMotherboard]

Doctor gordon is a deciple of jigsaw like amanda and the reason amanda and tapp were chosen is because while tapp wasnt in the greater scheme he is still iconic, the reason amanda over kramer is because john had a morals and he really doesnt like innocents getting harmed only those guilty and guilty by blood/relation when he messed up he pulled the guy out and stitched his wound, while i agree hoffman would have been a better killer mandy is far more psycotic and emotional perfect for feeding the entity do i think thecsaw chapter makes perfect sense and us more if a loveletter to those who actually watch and pay attention Sorry about any typos its 3 am im sleepy as hecc and shaky

[@naszirboyd9950]

I love sci fi with start wars cyber punk and blade runner being some front runners. Ellen Ripleys nclusion in the game is awesome we at least two scream queens which makes me still wish for Sidney from scream. But as the chapter as a while yeah it’s a good chapter my only gripe is that she doesn’t get the “Haddie treatment” they could easily do the notromo crew as legendary skins or even the space suit we her in at the end of the 1st movie.

[@Asreterix-23]

The decline of the chapter is because of the map, the alien's power breaks the map beacuse dbd wanted a vent power they needed to make something that works on outdoor's maps too, Therefore the map needed to change beacuse it woulden't make sense for a underground power inside a ship. I think alot of people wanted an indoor map to bring that nostalgia feeling from the first moive.

[@dominicsmalley9394]

Dbd was in a massive decline in players before the chapter was released we had just had the knight and skull merchant and metas that were very boring and frustrating along witb tons of hackers. The game was not in a favourable state and many were leaving no matter what so nic cage comes and softens the people who are close to leaving hut havemt quite got to that stage but many are still leaving. Then we get alien and at first a few people return and many people still around are over the moon. The perks are great that come with the chapter the meta is in a very healthy state however there is one looming issue alien is a bitch to face. Fun to play as but as a survivor it is frustrating and difficult and even after balance changes its still frustrating. So you still have survivors in a limbo on if they still want to invest there time into the game. And the killers are begining to find the alien a little stale having a tiny bit of the same issue as singularity. Its a lot of effort for an ok reward. To effectively use alien you have to play very smart and a beginner player is mot going to be getting a 4k when playing with alien. Its a good killer and its got love and passion and versatility to it but its still not a quick and easy killer to use and its annoying for survivor so while it is a good chapter it isnt going to have everyone flocking to it despite it being a top tier license.

[@danielw8776]

I like how everyone discusses if this chapter was a failure when it's the one that made me finally jump into the game after 6 years of only loosely following this game.

[@trxshedXP999]

I doubt most of the players that left dbd were bc of alien. you have to take into account the amount of ppl who have burn out from the game, and players that keep getting frustrated and take out their rage on other players, etc.

[@Dragon555]

The tail attack cool-down increase make it just not very fun to use the Xenomorph anymore in my opinion even though they’re still okay.

[@joshkirkby8103]

Not to mention August is when everyone goes back to school and has way less time to play

[@DankKrank]

Maybe I’m easily satisfied but I like all killers, some are more work then others but this chapter is just fine for me

[@spookieboogi6161]

Umm no? My que times are super short now even as killer I play on my days off and it’s constantly hopping

[@currentdeadbydaylightplayer]

I know its well done but i fucking hate it cause its tail is so weird to learn and its really annoying when you think you should hit it but you dont

[@SlickD006]

Bet ye the queen skin alone nearly doubled the earnings for this chapter 🤣🤣🤣 and we all know why

[@RealEvilLordExdeath]

The Problem is, its tail attack has the most specific tight small hitbox i have ever seen, No wonder others also dont like it. Also killers gameplay is still stressfull, unrewarding and simply not fun. Even if u win with a 3k or 4k often the game itself was terrible because the survivors played like some esport elites with all their second chance perks and the VOIP coordination 😅 Aliens perks are also pretty useless, the only perks that are usefull are either anti loop or stop gen rushing. All else is situational at best Also indoor map are the best.

[@Zakon673]

Ultimate Weapon is absolutely not useless lol

[@RealEvilLordExdeath]

@@Zakon673 its maybe not trash, bit its a waste of one of only 4 perk places u as a Killer hace against 16. Those 4 must kick ass to compete with 16 others. So no, only place for the peak perks

[@Hunko115]

Personally for me. If I'm playing a killer that has an Anti - Loop power / chase power. I want to be able to use it and be in control of it at all times. So Xenomorph although very strong overall during the match, it just doesn't feel good at all to lose your power especially when survivors can place them in clever spots. It ruins the pace of chases and make it feel like you're getting blue balled right as you start chasing someone. I think the flamethrowers should instead make Xenomorph unable to enter his tunnels for a duration if the flame meter reaches max. This is mostly a buff so to compensate for this, Once Xenomorph has landed a tail strike on a survivor he goes back up to his normal stance. His passive recharge rate would be much faster aswell.

[@mosshivenetwork117]

I think people are tired of DBD. It's mostly the same formula for the game's whole life.

[@MostLikelyDreaming]

I think something else to consider is the time it was released. It released in August, which means a lot of people were heading back to school and maynot have had enough time to play. Correct me if I'm wrong, but steam charts looks at average number of players playing at a time and peak players playing at a time, not unique players playing throughout the month, right? Which would mean it wouldn't indicate if more people are playing just for less time and less frequently because real life is getting in the way. (Of course this all means nothing if I'm wrong about how steam charts works lol) and as at least one other person said, alien released at the same time as tcm. Lots of people played that pretty heavily too. But og resident evil and silent hill were all anniversary chapters, right? Which would mean they'd release in the summer when a lot of people are generally less busy and could play more. But overall I was pretty happy with the alien chapter! The xenomorph freaks me out when it's running at you on all fours, and I like using the turrets. It also made me finally watch the movie and I liked it a lot! Ripley is such a badass!

[@ahbraveconscript997]

they say there are lies, damned lies, and statistics

[@DasFood]

That’s an awesome quote - definitely going to use that one going forward!

[@terriblyterrified8742]

nah, have you seen the love for xeno queen?

[@theARoberts]

Alien was my most wanted license to come to the game. However, it ironically landed the week I was in the hospital for the birth of my son... and I haven't been able to play DBD in the months since then 😅😅So I've not even played the chapter 😂😂Really excited for when I can get back for it though, they do look like they did a great job with it overall. Sad to see that it didn't bring in a huge influx of players, but I also wonder how much that is tied to the age of the average DBD player?? It's been a long time since we've had a true Alien movie and even longer still since there was a good one. I'm curious if the license appeals more to an older generation and perhaps that's why something like RE pulled in more new players (ironically, that is also when I started playing DBD)?

[@Obama_Hunter]

Mft ruined the chapter not anything else lol

[@LVnative]

The Alien chapter was not a failure for DbD. The release of The Texas Chainsaw Massacre game was a large reason for the dip in player count.

[@kilianaxce1571]

After the ToT chapter some friends and I were just completely burnt out. None of use really cared about Alien chapter but the Chucky one is looking promising. We’re def coming back for that one.

[@Joeyk354]

The problem is that it isn’t fun for either sides alien is so ridiculously janky m1ing is just a better strat and survivor doesn’t get any indication that the tail is coming. Alien felt like reused demo. the map was ugly. Ripley is fine. The perks were ok

[@Tishbiscuit]

Also you must take into consideration outside factors. TCM was a highly anticipated game. And xeno chapter was released around the time TCM released. So it had big impact on Alien chapter. Almost all dbd top content creators were on TCM. I think TCM affected Alien chapter massively

[@Perfect0n]

Now, I haven't exactly opened twitter in, I wanna say like 3 years, so I wasn't aware it was going around that this was a failure. But I do think some of them have a decent point, from the player loss to the god-awful power (in my opinion because Xeno almost always has M2 ready AND can hit over pallets) I do think, that in perspective of what Behavior probably thought what this chapter would do for their game, it did technically fail. Because of course Behavior was expecting/hoping for an increase in players, obviously, so because that didn't happen and they lost players that it isn't "unfair" to say that the Alien Chapter did fail.

[@MadArtillery]

Lucky star has been a solo que sleeper hit for me. Amazing info perk addition to a headon build. Gives q&q use the whole match whenever you need to find a gen on indoors or check on your teamates

[@arabbitwhocanuseinternet9657]

Alien is a very big ip and behavior is able to get it is very impressive. After this, im sure they can get some left over big ip beside jason.

[@wsiur_gaming]

I would personally cosider it very mid, since xeno's tail is not only very buggy and clunky to use, but xeno also doesnt really bring anything new to the table. Shes like a mix of nemesis and demogorgon

[@MistarZtv]

I love skull merchant. P100 Skull merchants rise up!

[@veronancyy]

haven't watched the video in full yet, but I do want to state that Xbox / Playstation has the highest playerbase, as gaming PCs are still not as common as consoles. Most people on console are also the causal players, which is the most important part of DBD's playerbase in terms of money and popularity.

[@cottoneyejoesfm]

Ill be honest, im very biased when it comes to alien, im a huge fanboy of alien and only considered getting dbd when they announced the alien chapter

[@Mogsl]

not forgetting that many players left for TCM, and look at those Steam Stats...that's a big oof

[@mikaylacaldwell4452]

And now tcm is dead 😅

[@Mogsl]

@@mikaylacaldwell4452 idk I wouldn't call it dead, but surely in a decline And although I'm not playing TCM, I'm very interested to see their first DLC release

[@BrandNewDev]

I genuinely loved this chapter, i guess most dbd players aren’t horror or sci-fi movie fans?

[@emperororchid]

for me it was just the decision to do a sci-fi chapter right after a sci-fi chapter also because of the balance of the game and the bugginess in chases

[@ottooctavius9552]

It was a huge success until the unnecessary alien nerf. Now aliens so trash.

[@lonelybananana6356]

alien is also a super boring killer

[@ottooctavius9552]

@@lonelybananana6356 he became boring because of the nerf. Facing alien before so so much fun otherwise

[@NinjaCthulhu]

I did find charts that gives the player count from ALL Platforms together. In this one, there was a slight bump in August but it was very small and a large plummet in September and a huge drop in October. There has been an increase in the last 30 days, likely due to Stranger Things return. I dont think the Alien Chapter was a failure, as I am sure it made plenty of money. I mean for the first all I faced was Alien killers, and I see face them often. But it had dropped in use. I think some disappointments were that Ellen didn't have the likeness of Sigourney Weaver hurt quite a lot (in my opinion anyway), and I think the Alien's powers were underwhelming, as they were just upgrades to other killer's powers. The tunneling is a better Onyra power, and the tail whip is a upgraded Nemesis power. So, while the killer looks great, the powers are uninspiring. Also, while I get the purpose of the turrets, as I play as the killer, they are so annoying to face! Overall, I think the game really needs new gamemodes. I think that will boost it.

[@brainz7980]

I think the drop in 10,000 players isnt a drop but rather the player base stabilizing after summer. Prior to June, DBD was averaging around 30,000 players on steam. This number jumped up by 10,000 over the course of the summer. The drops came in August and September, which is when most people go back to school and don't have as much time to play.

[@glaive616]

This was my dream chapter, but the Xenomorph just feels clunky to play as, you miss a tail and you’re glued to the floor for 3 seconds it feels so awful, and endlessly dealing with turrets is just as annoying, it just feels like. Chore to play as.

[@YELLOWrat]

NO I THINK NOT!!! I WAITED FOR TWO YEARS, WISHING HIM TO COME DBD AND IT FINALLY HAPPENED I FEEL VERY VERY SATISFIED AND I MAIN XENOMORPH, I don’t understand why players thinks Demo is best chapter and my opinion it is best chapter

[@Ruby_Rider]

The Alien chapter is a major sucess, and the fact that the final month of the cycle is green is proof. Let's be honest, Gun Media has always been BHVR's scariest competition, with one relatively sucessful and well remembered dbd-competitor in FT13th already under their belt. So when Gun Media's newest, highly-anticipated, lisensed-property, assymetical horror game came out in August 2023, of COURSE DBD was gonna take a huge hit. You can see this reflected in the steam charts during the chapter. August was the biggest bleed of the year for dbd and was also the release month for TCSM. But when you compare the two, TCSM's exponential falloff is perfectly mirrored in dbd's player count dip then subsequent recovery. It's clear the games share an audience, and BHVR planned for this competition well. Alien, ST, and Child's Play being released back-to-back-to-back was no accident. It was a one-hit KO for a budding rival.

[@RedrumZombies]

There is quite over a million possible reasons someone stopped playing. It's a really bad metric to judge on. Especially trying to mainly link it to DLC. You have updates, events, specific games, toxicity, new perk that annoys, perk not being good, perk being too buffed, new mechanic, FOMO, etc. For outside DBD, you have other games, console/pc dying, friends stopped playing, real life duties, holidays, work, school, funerals, hospitalization, etc.

[@dontyodelsohard2456]

So, in 2021 we saw an average of 76,206 players. In 2022 we saw an average of 61,433. And this year, we saw only 57,090 average users. Now, that's averages which can be unreliable where large spikes or dips are involved... So I also took the median which was 76,073, 58,673, and 53,722 which paints a similar picture but I would argue less dire; here's why: Well, 2021 was an anomaly since that's when we got Resident Evil which to my knowledge caused all time high active player count. Not all of those players were going to stick around, we pretty much knew that. And, really, 5,000 or so active players isn't so bad a loss... That's within the margin of error for fluctuation over time. Less than a 10% decrease in active players. Maybe a shareholder of the company might lose their mind, but we're not shareholders... Especially since they are a privately held company. And I did the math for 2020 and got an Average of 61,406 and a Median of 58,694... So around the same numbers as 2022. So I would have to concur, the game is not dying... Although, it does appear to be in a bit of a slump at the moment. But now, I am thinking about Otzdarva's recent video about how downright unfriendly this game is to new players... And thinking about my own experience recently in a game that had a hacker (or if their claim is to be believed... The game glitched) but also had a complete novice: failing-from what I can tell-every skill check, utterly abhorrent in chase, kept running into me on deathhook... There was only so much I could do to avoid tunneling them out of the game, and the constant gen explosions were just getting annoying. But all the maps, the perks, the killer powers... That's a lot for new people, or even returning people. So increasing that number might really be a struggle without redoing what I earlier called an anomaly. Originally there was going to be a somewhat neutral if not positive conclusion here, but then I added the bit about the slump now here we are. I am definitely not pessimistic, currently... But it might be a bit worrying should we enter into this next year and we find a downward trend.

[@Noxturnalist]

i think you're totally right. i stopped playing dbd a year ago, xenomorph was the only thing that almost made me want to come back until this next chapter with sable. with a new killer and survivor to look forward to i'm finally back in the game. i don't think i would attribute any particular chapter to the loss in player count in the game. i personally stopped playing because i was tired of being disappointed with behavior's changes time after time after time. the game was just becoming un-fun, it had nothing to do with chapters; it had everything to do with nerfs and reworks and buffs that made me lose what i loved about this game. i was one of the people constantly begging for a xenomorph killer, but even when they added it, i still had a sour taste in my mouth for the game overall and it wasn't ENOUGH to bring me back, but again, it was tempting. i don't think i'm alone in this, i believe the state of the game overall is a lot more impactful than any chapter could hope to be. it would be cool to play as "X" killer or survivor but if the game is still not fun why would anyone come back just to cosplay a character and still not enjoy themselves? being fresh back in the game, i'm enjoying myself for now, haven't jumped into survivor yet but we'll see in time if the game has moved in a more bearable direction to hold my interest

[@brucejackson1458]

I really wish Alien chapter was the 4 year anniversary

[@FinestFantasyVI]

Pyramid Head is a good licence too. But makes me wonder if Chucky and Alien arent anniversery worthy, what is.

[@brucejackson1458]

@@FinestFantasyVI yeah that’s crazy

[@dirkechoes1377]

Being the target of survivor vitriol doesn't mean it failed, it's Tuesday. Survivors constantly claim the only fun killers to go against are Michael and Trapper. Two of the worst, wonder why. Xenomorph is fine, killers need to burn the rulebook. The hemorrhage of players started long before Alien dropped, I don't think we can say the preexisting trend means the chapter failed. Watch, people are hyped for Chucky now but wait for him to drop. Survivors will complain endlessly that he's OP, he'll get nerfed into mediocrity. Dbd will return to the same routine until the next cycle of hype. Make a highly requested killer cool and strong, build hype, sell day 1, nerf later. This isn't sustainable no matter who they get as a license or even who they add as an original Edit: Yeah, Ulti Weapon needs a nerf. I'm normally not pro knee jerk nerfs for alot of things but if MFT is getting the kneecap treatment then UW deserves it too. Both are problematic

[@14Blackspirit]

I ask for Alien like 1 Year to get added. I stopped playing long before that because the game is not something for me. I love Killer but the toxic community is not to my liking and the stressful gameplay is also not to my liking. After it came out I instantly bought the Alien chapter and 2 skins because I wanted it in the game for so long and I hold up my promise but I will only consume the content and not playing myself. It is much healthier for me. Also back in the day the survivors could get access to my IP and DDOS me and get a bunch of information what actually happened to me so I will never touch the game ever again.

[@abursha]

I never liked the Xenomorph, what made me ignore the game for a bunch of months were other reasons. I was a Sadako main before the buff, and that rework made her so boring for me, and when Made For This perk got out, I felt too disgusted to keep playing the game in general. Plus I dislike events that modify too much the usual game. Just recently I came back because of Chucky and Demogorgon mainly, I like the concept of possessed evil dolls, I love that you can finally play in 3rd person view.

[@RemyMa88]

Idk if it was a failure or not. I’ve been playing for about two full weeks (since Stranger Things FINALLY came back) and I’ve only had maybe three matches with Xeno as killer. Does no one pick him? I’ve heard tales of him being crazy powerful … but never see him.

[@mattjeffers4375]

Disclaimer is I haven't finished listening yet, but you can't say that drop off in players is directly tied to Alien chapter; BHVR broke DBD (vaults, lockers, blastmine) for about a month with the Alien patch. Speaking personally, I stopped playing consistently for about 5 weeks because of these issues and I have yet to return to playing as frequently as I did before.

[@Halomcr]

Drege was cool to play but awful anniversary killer

[@nickdavid1846]

Personally it felt so boring, it really wasn't interesting. I think they could've done more with the character, something with face huggers or something. It's just another nemi whip. Doesn't help that made for this is/was everywhere. Hopefully Chucky brings life back, I know I'll be coming back since mft got nerfed. Mft ruined so much fun for me as a killer main, I just stopped playing. So I think it wasn't that unique of a chapter at least with alien, and the meta just ruined the game for a lot of killer mains.

[@willrobinson1482]

I personally think it's more of a state-of-the-game issue than something wrong with this chapter, plus outside factors. The game can just feel really annoying right now with the MFT spam, FTP + Buckle Up + Power struggle being really popular for a bit and practically impossible to counter, and the alien's locker perk being so easy to use. The aliens power is also very similar to nemesis' power where you can hit over loops and pallets, which seems to be annoying to quite a few survivors, but imo is more difficult to use because the hit box seems smaller, your pov gets lower when you crouch which makes it harder to see your target, and should you miss it feels like you have to wait until holiday season 2023 for your tail to be ready again (that may just be me, im ass with the tail attack), and if you're waiting that long on the other side of a loop, the survivor is just gonna hold w with MFT to another pallet. Plus TCM released recently and has a similar player base, Baldurs gate 3 dropped in the same month as this chapter and is very popular, Assassins creed released the following month, and the new COD is releasing and we all know no matter how horrible it is, plenty of people are gonna buy it and play it for 3 months, and those releases take time and money away from dbd and the new chapter. As you said, the game is a live service and having drops/rises in the player count shouldn't be particularly surprising.

[@stevenobrien7686]

At a certain point, no amount of license hype can make up for the game being poorly balanced and not fun. They need to rework several killers to be more fun to play against, rework several maps, rework perks on both sides (they just addressed MFT, but on the killer side Ultimate Weapon and Pentimento come to mind), and fix things like slugging and possibly overall gen speed. The game just has huge parts of it that are extremely unfun, and poorly designed. Plain and simple. Also frankly we need more map variety. Nostromo was a breath of fresh air, but we need more.

[@ynglink]

Steam charts aren't a great source for heavy crossplay games. Steam is only one platform. Things that it doesn't account for from the other platforms. Epic provided the game for free. Microsoft (xbox and windows) has it included with Game Pass Playstation gave the game out for free as a PS+ reward All of these things give it more players that have no real investment into the game that can play it easily. Steam has not done this and really shouldn't be used as its baseline outside of just PC players since they'll be more likely to use Steam over other clients. I honestly hate seeing Steam Charts used on crossplay games as though it's the most accurate method. More people own consoles than PCs, especially since last gen consoles can play DBD too. That said, the Alien chapter is very well done. Interesting map since there's no maps that look anything close to it. The Alien is strong, but feels fair and fun to play against as survivor. Strong perks for Killer while solid and fun perks for survivor. So for doomers out there, yeah, you'll look at steam charts and say it's a failed chapter and DBD is dying, even though the Alien chapter is very healthy gameplay wise and fun wise.

[@thetopdogrob9366]

Honestly, I got bored in the first day or so of the Alien chapter. Didn't hit hard. It's funny that Chucky is now in PTB, and I'm having way more fun with him than i did with Zeno and / or that entire chapter itself. And Chucky is just coming by himself. Idk, tho I feel Chucky is a tad bit more iconic science when you think of horror he's usually still in the talks among that catalog. So that may add to the feeling of BIG license as well.

[@TheReZisTLust]

I wanted it to lay Eggs and have manual stealth, as a Killer main to me it failed, I didnt want a Nemesis Dredge Combo Killer that plays like the Alien Isolation Ai (Get burned and flee to vents for "optimal") but instead I wanted Pig like ability to drop a Egg & Hugger on Dzarkas little tunnel that holds a dead guy, forces a survivor to go to an area to remove the hugger akin to Jigsaw boxs with a survivor or Mother helping remove it.The movement speed not being removed after you special Bug being removed was fine but then they changed the way the tail hits and it never felt good to me after. The perks are alright with Ultimate being my most used cause i have trouble finding people, Rapids eh & the hook one I never used yet.

[@Ares-in-red]

I didn't know the xeno was considered a failure overall, but it was for me already, I'm a killer main, the maps are good, the perk are good, ok so what? As much as I like this thing I don't need new map, and I have a millions other strong perk to use. Do you know what I need? Cool killer with strong power, and the xeno has a clunky and boring power that not only work only in very specific situation but can also be completely removed by survivor forcing you to choose Between loosing your power or your chase, and all justified by the "but he has a 24m tr" wow how about you make it a 32m tr but you remove the stupid turrets and make the tail more accurate? But nah we have a ranged attack that only work on pallet and window(sometimes), personally I left a week after the xeno release cuz I was already bored, I'm back now but still playing xeno doesn't feel good at all

[@peeperinos]

The problem for me has been the following: Killer gameplay: mft/all the endurance hits you have to play around. Certain maps that lack hooks on second story and they bring boil over/the boon to get up (this is always against a swf. The matches are just wait for them to bleed out). One chase (after finding someone after the team has been sneaking around) leading to 3 gens popping simultaneously. A few other things i cant think of atm. Survivor gameplay: mft felt needed for lower tier players (me included). If you arent running a loop perfectly, then you just die in 10 seconds. Ultimate weapon is wayyyy too strong. Matching up with others that cant loop (especially since im not very good as well) usually leads to a loss at 5 gens. No ultimate weapon nerf. Blindness being devastating to solo que while having much less impact on swfs kinda sucks... wish they gave basekit bond and something that lit gens up (kinda like deja vu when another survivor sees them at least once for solo que players (to bring solo que closer to swfs calling out gens) as well as something to tell which pallets are being thrown and where. These changes would also need something to help killer players from being snowballed as well, but its at least a start to bringing both in line. No ultimate weapon nerf??? And lastly, something better than this current skill check system we have atm... you can be a sliver off and its a coin flip whether it wants to miss or hit. Sometimes the skill checks spam you (getting 3 instant fastest skill checks after failing one is just horrible). Both: i would like better lighting and actual lighting options ingame. Its cool to want a "specific dark experience" and all, but playing in a room that has a lot of light makes it really tough to see anything... the worst offender is yamaoka. Cant see a single thing on the map. Pair it with dredge, and i just sit on gen uncaring if he is coming or not since i cant tell where Im going in the first place

[@DillonMeyer]

I love to use the Alien because it has so many good build synergies. Both with the actual power, and on a 'lore' aspect. Such as taking Monstrous Shrine and running a build that lets me carry people far and quickly so I can kidnap them and bring them back to the hive (basement).

[@ObliviousNaga]

The issue with this video is that the perspective is very isolated. It doesn't take into account new games that came out. That's probably where the players went. The alien didn't flop because I can guarantee that 70-90% of those who still play dbd bought the dlc and the reception around them were pretty good. Sure it lost 10000 players but they're probably all playing Baldurs gate

[@IconiqueBloomie]

Xenomorph’s Killer Power design is just bad. The hitbox always feels like a 50/50, on Survivor side the M2 is just not telegraphed unlike other Killers and she can M1 in power???? No other Killer can M1 in power (Blight & Nurse count as a special attack not a basic attack like Xeno) and on the Survivor side it’s more like damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Also there’s an addon that completely counters flamethrowers like, why? Practically the only counterplay has an addon that can practically negate it. On the Killer side of things, it’s more of a hitbox issue and things just not feeling rewarding enough. The M2 (yes I play M2 only Xeno when I can bc I’m not a braindead STBFL user unlike most of y’all I see) feels like I either don’t get hits when I should or get hits when a Survivor is clearly nowhere near my tail like, it makes no sense. Idk if it’s smth to do with the Queen skin bc thas the skin I use almost all the time but, the power just feels like a full 50/50 but when it does hit and it SHOULD HAVE HIT, it’s great. I just don’t like playing her much bc I feel like I’m rewarded for just existing bc if I miss a tail I could just M1 (even though I don’t bc why would I????) and it just doesn’t feel great. Thas just my opinion, anyway. I’m just gonna stick to Plague and Artist for Killer 💁🏻‍♀️

[@immortal_SO]

I guarantee the majority of any games player base is console. But to be fair around aliens chapter release, the game was in a messy state, people stopping playing because of the meta literally. So I don’t buy the chapter was a failure. Not to mention TCM came out and dropped before alien. And I noticed not to many dbd players coming back even though he dropped signifying real burnout. And to add to that MFT was added in the patch before and is still crazy to this day till it’s merged with chucky.