Did Elsa Actually Die In Frozen 2? | Frozen Film Theory

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Today Ben dives into the frigid world of Disney’s Frozen to try and figure out exactly what even happened at the end of Frozen 2.. Did Elsa Die? Is she immortal? What does it mean to be a spirit?
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[@SuperCarlinBrothers]

Floors! Drawers! FJORDS!

[@matthewalmas1641]

Definitely going ‘borrow’ this line!

[@rainynight02]

Frozen just isn't a good story. Frozen 2 is even worse, story wise. So many things just don't make sense. Edit: typo.

[@ranger_lord8725]

Can you do more Hogwarts founders Sims 4?

[@leahluostarinen]

Uh what do u mean by that

[@aspinthesnake5636]

@@rainynight02I’m not even going to give you my opinion on what you just said. I’ll let the rest of the comments do it for me.

[@hettyscetty9785]

I know that she's a spirit and everything, but did anyone else notice that she wasn't at Anna's coronation? Being the fifth spirit is not a good reason to miss your baby sister being coronated.

[@yubima]

I will blame preparation on the story ( probably true). But the other thing would be to not take protagonist to the new queen, also i dont think thats the corneration, but the unveil of the statue (wich was replacing idiot grandfather😾)

[@ThatUnperfectMama]

Or if you think about it, the people were gone. They don’t know if Elsa is dead or alive, so they could’ve been told she was dead. That’s why they all came back, to crown Ana and get the bad news. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@aperson2661]

I don’t think the end was Anna’s coronation. It was just a ceremony to unravel the statue of Iduna and Agnarr.

[@christopherdaniels2117]

Edward did the same thing to Liz. The Duke of Windsor returned to England for his brother's funeral, but did not attend his niece's coronation - and to this day, it's unclear exactly what kind of relationship the Duke of Windsor had with the Queen.

[@MsMeyara]

yep, it put me off when I noticed. Even as a spirit she should be there!

[@PeoplepersonOG]

At this point, I'm just in for the ride because I know you'll probably convince me.excited to see this one hahaha

[@SuperCarlinBrothers]

haha enjoy!

[@thedragonwarrior5861]

Same

[@luxx4]

same haha

[@rubytook8067]

Same 😂

[@piniatafullofblood]

Yep, same

[@AriBelleDean]

Yeah, I think she didn’t “die” more so that she began the process of “ascending” beyond her mortal form. Learning the truth of her origin, coming to the glacier, began the process

[@Anita_sensei]

so, she essentially became a "heavenly spirit" or "angel" of sorts?

[@laryb.5136]

I think the transformation was when she stepped inside the diamond shape and changed her dress, the way she woke up after being frozen wasn't epic at all, nothing happened there, just unfreezed and fell. Usually when an important event happens like transformations, the movies make it very clear, visible and obvious, with lights and effects and stuff

[@BlueCanary7]

"ELSA IS GANDALF." Say no more. I am on board for this theory! 🧙‍♂️

[@TheBrothergreen]

Gandalf PLUS magic powers!

[@coolnerdlll6053]

@@TheBrothergreen Gandalf's a wizard. Know your Tolkien.

[@TheBrothergreen]

@@coolnerdlll6053 He's a Wizard in the old sense. A Magus. One of the wise. One who KNOWS. He is not, however a magical wizard. He uses the sun to beat the trolls, he makes fireworks from salt peter and ammonium nitrate. He blows cool smoke rings with his pipe. He uses a chemical reaction to light a glowing crystal on a stick. He stands upon a rock outcropping and calmly tells the giant monster that the bridge can't hold it's weight.

[@Anceaus]

@@TheBrothergreen In Deep Geek has a great video clearing up the confusion about Gandalf's subtle magic - highly reccomended channel! kzbin.info/www/bejne/iomlcmapotaWmpY

[@sokmnky666]

she's the avatar. glacier. bridge. powerful.

[@absol1975]

The fifth spirit is Memory. Ice is the physical manifestation of that, as explained through Olaf's, "water has memory," concept. Atahallan is the "headwater," or source, of the "Memory energy," or the spiritual force of that fifth element. But Memory can't exist without someone to remember it, so it needs a... host? Living vessel? To manifest through. So that's Elsa. So Elsa is calling herself, but because she can't remember her source until she gets there, she can't tell it's herself! That's how I interpreted it, but I love spirits and mythologies of that sort, so I'm practiced at interpreting them =) . EDIT: Also! Something else I feel gets missed a lot is that Gale, the salamander, and the water horse are not the only spirits of air, fire, and water. Just like the earth giants, there are multiple salamanders, water horses, and... sapient wind gusts, I guess? We're only introduced to one of each (although we technically see two different water horses) because they're intended to be friendly, so the writers wanted to give us one to know well so we could become attached to that individual as a character, instead of them getting lost in the crowd of others of their... species? Element? Kind?

[@TheBrothergreen]

I'm glad that I had the opportunity to read this post.

[@BabyMieuw]

@Absol197 Thank you for explaining. It was really insightful! Should you ever decide to give a class about this subject I would happily attend. It's really interesting and I'd love to learn more about it.

[@danielledouglas99]

What's interesting is in the film we dont see the memories until Elsa freezes them. I mean we do have that tornado scene but again until she litterally creates frozen sculptures from those memories they are impossible to follow/see clearly/ interpret. And her ability to animate snow/ice can be a way for to to animate the memories rather than just have them as sculptures. So I would say you are right. 😊

[@absol1975]

@@BabyMieuw Of course! Happy to help =) .

[@v_112]

What I also gathered from the film is that Elsa's and Anna's mother was the fifth spirit

[@Ms-Fortune]

_I still don’t really understand all of Frozen 2… But, to me, the scene where Elsa is frozen is a beautiful metaphor for what can happen if we only look back at the past. The more we focus on the things that have already happened (what we literally cannot change without a time-machine), the less we’ll be able to make the decisions that we can NOW. The truth is always important, but so is moving forward. If you live too long in the past, eventually you’ll be stuck there._

[@MinecraftProGamingandmore]

How did you type this comment in italic???

[@didimaggie7526]

_Italics_

[@19TheFallen]

@@MinecraftProGamingandmore When you want to type a comment, or a portion of a comment in italics, you put _ on both sides of the part you want to appear in italics.

[@19TheFallen]

Then, once you post it, it automatically alters it so that it appears in italics. _Just like so!_

[@jim18d]

_also testing out italics_

[@IndianaKong95]

This will NEVER happen, but the ending to Frozen 2 does leave a pretty awesome opportunity for Frozen 3, though it would have to be taken in a darker direction. Frozen 3 can actualy become a closer adaptation of the original Snow Queen fairy tale! How? By doing a gigantic time skip, let's say a century. The Kingdom has flourished and advanced with time, the adventures of Frozen exist in a weird mixture of Myth and History. Queen Anna has long since passed, as have most other characters we'd be familiar with, but what lonely and cold spirit is still nearby, always watching over... Elsa. How has she handled herself during all this time, does she loathe immortality, how has her character been challenged and how much of the old Elsa does she still retain? So many interesting directions this can be taken in, and with an adorable child protagonist, just like the original fairy tale, who maybe reminds Elsa of Anna, who has to reach out to Elsa to make her heart warm again--- the possibilities are heart-wrenching! If executed with a good script of course.

[@i_prefer_the_term_antihero]

This would be fantastic

[@gamerpickles6506]

I low key love your idea

[@roseprevost8081]

We'd just get the adventures of Anna and Kristoff's kids, like Little Mermaid 2.

[@OmnicollectiveCreativity]

@@roseprevost8081 Whose grandchildren are the protagonists of the above mentioned hypothetical plot for Frozen III as the plot of Frozen IV, perhaps, after a movie of the adventures of Anna's and Kristoff's kids.

[@riduanaqil1452]

@@gamerpickles6506 same

[@maxsalmon4980]

You have the broad strokes correct I think. I would add that the 'voice' Elsa heard was because that, while she was living in Arendale she was divided from herself. She had powers, but had not assumed full actualization and understanding of herself. The 'spirit' was at that time kind of embodied in her, but the memory it had, the 'consciousness' it had, was still focused in the glacier. So it was prodding Elsa to leave Arendale, go to the glacier, so that they could finally be fully one. It used her mother's voice because A) it had to act through memories of things that happened; it can't seem to just TALK or make up new information, and B) because it knew she would be drawn to that voice. This is ALSO why the nature spirits attacked Arendale, by the way. The 5th Spirit has a lot of influence over them, and directed them to do this...knowing that if Arendale seemed to be in danger, Elsa would do anything to protect it. And she only had one lead...a lead that led her straight to the glacier. It's significant because Elsa starts the movie out believing that she's done. She's mastered her powers, she has it all under control...everything's fine now. The call is this nagging sense that there's something more for her. Something that being a human queen in a human queendom can't fulfill. My question throughout the duology is, at this time, did the trolls know she was the embodiment of an elemental spirit? It seems like they maybe could have? But then, if they did, why wouldn't they have said anything? And surely the Queen had SOME inkling of the nature of spirits and might have recognized what was happening to Elsa? Why did she go along with the insane plan to traumatize Elsa into isolation? Frozen 2 wraps up the main storyline of the series decently well, but it implies some...really weird and even disquieting things about Frozen 1. :)

[@courtneybogle24]

As for why the Queen went along with it- she may have fully believed that it was her people who attacked the Arendellians. She may have seen Elsa's powers- especially after they caused harm- as a punishment on her/her people for what happened in the forest. Additionally, there is a reason she never told anyone she was northuldra. Can you imagine the prejudices against her people after they supposedly "killed" arendelles king and guard? Especially since from the arendellians point of view, they just gave them this huge "gift"? Then, her daughter pops up with magic- which is only associated with the northuldra. Of course she'd want to hide it- would Elsa ever be accepted as Queen if she possessed the one thing the Northuldra always had? Would mob mentality take over if anyone ever found out? Would her daughter be in danger? It is a very complicated situation. I think the king and queens plan to hide Elsas magic makes MORE sense after frozen 2. They were terrified for her, and what would happen if the people of arendele found out.

[@juliegibson-2020]

Frozen was my grandson's FAVORITE from infancy...he would sit and "conduct"the music and act out Elsa's movements. He is now 8, but I still love the music and the movie, too. Seriously, we can recite dialogue. 😁 My granddaughter (now 10) loved Cinderella, then it was Tangled, then Brave, and now they both love Encanto. ❤️

[@misseli1]

This is very sweet, but I have to admit when I first read this comment I misread it and thought you were talking about your *grandfather* and I was very confused, haha.

[@madalynnr9940]

My lightbulb moment: Elsa was able to send that message to Anna at the end because she was the other half of the bridge

[@ShadowEclipex]

I always assumed Anna and Elsa's mother was the previous 5th spirit, and there is sort of an Avatar-like cycle that goes where through the 4 different elements to pick the 5th spirit. Their mother was an Air Spirit.

[@TheSoundOfGeorgia]

I like this idea

[@BLUNTDEZ101]

That totally makes sense! Like how she was able to save their father.

[@ShadowEclipex]

@@BLUNTDEZ101 She does literally fly down to save him

[@Kitovraska]

Wow, this actually made sense, since she was able to control air and wind!

[@ShadowEclipex]

@@Kitovraska Precisely!

[@HART-sk3bz]

I'm still a bit disappointed that in the trailer it showed Anna wielding a sword like a master but she never even touches one in the movie! I want the cool sword wielding Anna!

[@mollygreenway7530]

Didn't we all

[@7ismyfavoritenumber]

Actually she does hold and flail but not really use a sword made of ice at one point

[@winkcla]

If I remember correctly she takes the sword from Kristoff in the trailer? And Kristoff is never seen carrying a sword in either movie 😂

[@LXW-Arts]

Clickbait trailer. Just like the first one.

[@melissaferguson7630]

@@winkcla it was originally in the story that he becomes a Lord and that’s why he has a sword. But the writers took away that idea for the story, so she got an ice sword instead

[@gerileemakes]

Well, Elsa didn't HAVE to die to pass the crown to Anna. She could have abdicated. That's how Queen Elizabeth's father became king, when his older brother abdicated in order to marry who he wanted. Otherwise, great theory ⭐

[@roseprevost8081]

I think that's what she did, because of her new role as the fifth spirit. Can't do that and be queen too.

[@Xeyxey0]

Still felt like she should've been there for the coronation, though.

[@stephaniecouture7033]

Elsa basically did abdicate it when she realized who she was she says I took an oath to provide Arendelle with what they need or something like that and fortunately I know just what that is and then Anna is crowned queen as she should be Elsa was never right for the role anyway

[@keithg460]

"Did she die? Yes. Is she alive? Yes. Is she immortal? I am looking at the math here, and it seems like Yes." Guys, I am so glad the math budget kicked in, even three years later. (Loved the video)

[@DemLep]

But did they pay the math budget this month?

[@veronicathesecond]

AHAHAHAHAHHA THE MATH BUDGET

[@annsplate9314]

I agree.. She definitely dies and is reborn in some elevated way. I did an entire presentation on Frozen 2 for my mythology class. It fits into Joseph Campbell's Hero's Journey perfectly.

[@willychrispin1093]

I want to say that Elsa is just as she was before she froze just with a clearer power upgrade. When Elsa's power froze her sister in frozen Anna revived herself with an act of true love. I want to say it is essentially the same here. Elsa goes too far not because she drops down into the deepest part of the glacier but because she is actively attempting to change the traumatic memory of her grandfather killing possibly her other grandfather...... (TBD). And of course she still hasn't mastered her power yet so the source of her power Ahtohallan put her on pause hoping that the other half of the bridge can solve the situation. Also Elsa is not queen mainly because she oddly enough reminds me of Kristina of Sweden. A queen who was crowned king and left her country because of several things and just existed out in the world. Kristina abdicated the throne just like Elsa abdicated to Anna. At least that is how I see it. Lol❄

[@whatusernameis5295]

same and I think that's basically what happened canon wise

[@SUPERSTUDIO17]

My understanding with Elsa was that she was primarily human with ice magic before. Although she had elemental affinity for ice, it was only still just a part of her growing. But I think by the end of Frozen 2, she fully embodies being the 5th elemental spirit of ICE and so in a way her human identity "died" since that is not her primary identity now. She is now partly human BUT has shifted her "soul" or form or self into the 5th elemental spirit. So much like the fire salamander who is a fire elemental that can take the form of a salamander. Elsa the human with magic doesn't exist anymore and has "died" bc now she has become Elsa the Ice Elemental that has a human form.

[@SilvaShadow1990]

This surprisingly made the most sense to me. Thank you 😊

[@jessicagiangreco7104]

Yes! This is what I came here to say ... albeit far less eloquently.

[@SUPERSTUDIO17]

@@SilvaShadow1990 so glad it made sense :)

[@SUPERSTUDIO17]

@@jessicagiangreco7104 haha thank you. Glad I’m not the only one who thinks so

[@SilvaShadow1990]

@@SUPERSTUDIO17 thank you again. To simplify what you said. Originally before Elsa became the 5th spirit, she was like 60 percent human, 40 percent. And after, she became the opposite, being like 40 percent human, 60 percent Spirit.

[@fantasticwhovian3061]

I believe Elsa is NOT the first 5th spirit. There was another one, a long time ago. Long enough, that while the myth survived, the name "the 5th spirit" did not. Here me out. I have a reasoning behind this. In the first movie, Elsa is said to have sent Arendelle into an "Eternal Winter." How did the villagers know it was an eternal winter? I propose that the original 5th spirit once froze the kingdom in an eternal winter lasting many years, for reasons lost to time. Only once the villagers, desperate, rose up and killed the evil Ice queen did it thaw. It would explain why Elsa's parents had her hide her powers. The myth was well known. If it was discovered there was a new Ice queen, her life would be in danger. especially after it was proven her powers were dangerous. Thus why she was hidden from the kingdom. For her safety, and everyone else's. Its also why the villagers instantly assumed she started and eternal winter. She was the Evil Ice Queen. Reborn.

[@lyannevannimwegen18]

Maybe one of the previous spirits actually made Atahollan to keep all of the memories safe

[@zephyr3693]

I have a theory, the reason Elsa died AND the reason she was brought back is because of Anna. I think Elsa was supposed to conquer/tame all of the nature spirits to "level up" so she could go to Ahtohallan and see the past and avoid being frozen by the deep cold. But Anna prevented Elsa from going after the earth giants, so Elsa wasn’t able to fully upgrade. Obviously, she goes anyway and is frozen and "dies" because she technically didn't complete all the side quests before going forward. But Anna saves her and brings her back to life with her love, so if Elsa is an immortal spirit now, it's at least partly because of Anna. So Anna played a huge part in Elsa's journey to becoming her true self. I could be totally off but that's what i took away from the movie when i saw it. Secondary theory: It was the nature spirits themselves that chose to give Elsa powers to begin with. Since they have a special connection with the northuldra people, they choose protect them and when the old king killed the northuldra leader, they wanted to find a way to make things right. In order to do this, they would bestow the firstborn child of the next king (who was saved by an act of kindness by one of their own people) with the ability to connect with nature, so that this child would be compelled to make things right someday. Thus Elsa was born with powers and eventually, Ahtohallan decided they had been waiting long enough and began calling to Elsa in a way that she couldn't ignore or escape from, and she was beckoned on the quest to right the wrong that had been done to the northuldra people. Since nature isn't evil, they had arranged for a way that Elsa could complete this mission without dying but if you follow my first theory, you'll see that Anna kind of threw a wrench in the gears (not her fault, she didn't know this) and foiled the nature spirit's original plan, which was for Elsa to be able to upgrade her powers to survive the deep cold, so she could go on to complete the rest of the mission herself. But Anna played an important part and did the second half herself. Sorry that was so long, i am a huge frozen fan and i've been thinking about this for years. This is just my own way of understanding what happened in frozen 2, and also the first frozen. I think my theory covers the bases, it explains why Elsa was gifted powers to begin with, who gave them to her, what she was supposed to do with them, and how Anna changed the plans and played an important part so that the whole story wasn't just about Elsa. But if anyone else has a different theory i'd love to hear it!

[@jayanderson147]

I love the side quest idea!

[@justineharper3346]

I adore Lord of the Rings (so much so that I named my daughter Eowyn). I cannot believe that with the amount of times we’ve watched Frozen 2 that I never noticed “Elsa the White”. It’s literally my favorite scene in the movie and I always tell Eowyn that I love how pretty Elsa looks after she transforms 😂

[@JainaSoloB312]

Awwww! Eowyn is a great name, and a great character

[@lilliemillward4870]

That’s so cool! My uncle named my cousin Eowyn for the same reason!!

[@grim_56]

Poor kid

[@boyankovachev7982]

Was is always Elsa, or was it someone Els(a)? Ah, ah? I'll see myself out.

[@rebeccajean9634]

Here’s a question as well. Can Anna hear the ice memories? She must be able to right? That leap of logic about the dam has got to be because she heard the memory and not just saw the sculpture of the moment.

[@SweetSlytherinGirl-Jennifer]

Yes, the wave was supposed to take out Arendelle. But it was saved because the spirits agreed that it deserved to stand. And that was not only because of the selfless sacrifices by Anna and Elsa, but by the actions of the Arendellian soldiers in the tearing down of the dam as well. And I still say that thin wall of ice was more than sufficient to stop the wave because it's MAGIC. Kind of eliminates the natural law of physics from the equation.

[@winkcla]

I'm not bothered by the indestructible ice wall but the way the water disappears afterwards is just confusing. Couldn't the water at least have gone around the wall and flooded the port with a few meters of water? 🙃

[@erinzummo]

Hearing you say you didn't enjoy frozen 2 as much break my heart. Anna's journey and song "the next right thing" was amazing to me and I love frozen 2 so much more than frozen. And the music is top tier

[@juliaspoonie3627]

Didn’t he say the opposite? That he liked Frozen2 much more than Frozen1 but he wouldn’t have thought that could be possible?

[@charleswhisler59]

I really like this little quote about being the bridge. I've always said if you can not see the hope in humanity be the hope.

[@sainaasainaa4077]

When will they point out that the glacier had been destroyed before Elsa came? She had to literally fix the fallen columns... 🤔💭 Who tried to destroy the perfect looking ice glacier in the first place?

[@roseprevost8081]

Or maybe it was that way so that only the one who was supposed to get through it could do so.

[@WildeMermaid]

I've thought Elsa died & became a type of spirit/goddess since I first watched it. I actually thought it would be part of your Elsa is a goddess theory involving Tefiti. I love to see more & more people coming around to the same theory. Personally I love Frozen 1 & 2, but enjoyed Frozen 2 more.

[@Storm-bv7pc]

Elsa may be immortal. If she is a goddess. Because think about it, You would of died if someone stole your heart, but Te Fiti didn’t, she just turned into Te Ka and came back when Moana saved her, she was completely “alive”. So goddesses are probably immortal, which means Elsa must be a goddess and she must be immortal.

[@lampekartoffel]

I didn't think the story was all that complicated. When I listened to the theory/explanation I got kinda confused, but apart from the whole "Elsa died" part, then you came to the same conclusions as I did. The way I see it, Elsa was born the 5th element. Her and Anna was always meant to be the bridge between the two people, a bridge their parents created to tear down the harmful ways and create a better understanding between the two people. The moment in the glacier is Elsa leaving her old life as human and Queen to become the 5th element in its complete form, but, just like how the dam weakened all the other spirits, it also weakened her - by sending the information to Anna, she establishes the foundation for the new bridge and the break from the old harmful ways, so that they together - the non magical human sister and the magical sister turned nature spirit. And I think you might be a little too fixated on the whole spirit = dead. In mythology, spirit is much less tangible than that. The spirits aren't lost souls, they're nature spirits. Manifestations of the natural forces, type of spirits. Also, if a ruler is deemed unfit or abdicates the throne, then the next in line will become ruler. Many rulers have passed on the throne to the next in line, when they're too old to rule or just think the next in line will have a greater chance if they get to rule while they can still guide their hand.

[@bobtheduck]

I'm glad you said Frozen 2 had better music. Into the Unknown was amazing, and my favorite song in the series(?) is "Do the Next Right Thing". Reminds me of "You know better than I" from King of Dreams. It's not as technically impressive as other songs like Let It Go or Into the Unknown (or 90% of songs in Prince of Egypt) but in it's simplicity, I love those two songs better than the more "impressive" songs from their prior movies in the franchises.

[@buckethead60]

Fun fact: Frozen will be 9 years old by the end of this year.

[@coolnerdlll6053]

I hate time.

[@galaxay1989]

Where did my childhood go? Frozen feels like 4 years ago at the most ...

[@shannonbush2011]

It doesn't seem like it's been that long 🤯

[@bobtheduck]

@@coolnerdlll6053 make it stop

[@mailyak442]

WHAT

[@fatherless8748]

The thing is, if that was Elsa “dying” then Anna technically “died” on Frozen 1 when she was also turned to ice. Olaf also died in Frozen 2 because Elsa was near death at least. So really, Frozen 2 is just completely FILLED with zombies. Walking dead but colder?

[@n.e.r.dcomicsinc9212]

I've been formulating a theory for a while. Basically, the fifth spirit is a title that is passed down. Notable examples of fifth spirits include Maui and Moana, Mirabel and the candle,

[@amandah2935]

This movie really needed more time in the story development phase. It’s so close to being a really great movie. It has so many great elements. But the story just too messy.

[@Charlene-1988]

What I've always thought was that it's all to do with emotions and knowing the past and truly understanding it can be overwhelming sometimes, especially with your own ancestral history. Seeing a horrific event (of any kind) in your ancestral history can be unsettling and cause you to become emotionally frozen (stuck in one emotion/mindset). Elsa gives Anna the information to continue because she is frozen (overwhelmed and can't move past what she's learnt). Anna has been at her lowest (in the cave, losing everything but she refuses to quit) and then does the next right thing which is to look forward and correct the past. Not letting it continue as it was. Anna helps Elsa to move forward by correcting the wrongs done, they work together and are stronger together (emotionally, no longer frozen in the past). Elsa didn't die she was just frozen emotionally (and can actually move again, it's all symbolic). She says in frozen 1 that the cold doesn't bother her anyway but thats her in denial. When she learns about her history she is frozen. Knowing and understanding something are two different things entirely. Elsa in frozen 1 is trying to convince herself by saying that it doesn't bother her (denial). It's rather complex for a kids movie but I believe it's a way of helping children understand emotions and how to cope with them.

[@amberbanuelos7053]

I didn’t understand Frozen 2 until I watched the making of doc on Disney+. And that only sort of cleared things up. It felt like they rushed the second movie to capitalize on the popularity of Frozen and didn’t give us a story that makes sense…. But that’s just my opinion 😊

[@winkcla]

I was expecting this video to include a clip out of the documentary showing that nobody actually knew who the voice belongs to 😂 I really wonder what the original script read like with everything that was unclear until the last minute

[@9gaglover321]

How can Elsa be immortal if the last ice spirit wasn’t? I think someone will replace her like she replaced the last one

[@ronin2827]

My headcanon is, since I saw Frozen II in theatre, that Elsa is immortal. While the 4 spirits embody their elements, Elsa embodies the bridge between humanity and the spirits. Just like elements don't die, neither do the spirits. If spirits don't die, neither does Elsa. As long as there are spirits and there are humans, she'll continue to be the bridge because that is what she embodies.

[@bastiandantilus]

Elements do die or transform, no reason to believe the spirits live forever either.

[@jossposs3400]

But a bridge have two sides and Anna is the other side, and Anna is not a spirit, just human. Right? So what happens when she dies?

[@ashleydedman9416]

If Anna dies. Elsa might not be able to handle it but then again she may protect arendelle and her niece or nephew or she will freeze her heart and become cold and distant. Also on a side note both Anna and Elsa are the fifth spirit but Elsa is recognized as the official spirit according to Disney. A prime examp,e is when both Anna and Elsa touch the mist and are allowed passage instead of just Elsa being blown back

[@ImBarelyMe]

So I keep coming back to this video even all this time later cos I NEED that mickey hoodie, it looks amazing 😭😭

[@loganu4664]

There actually is another way for the next in line to become the monarch without the current monarch to die. It's called abdication, and it's when the current monarch willingly hands the throne over to the next in line for some reason. In "The Crown", Elizabeth II's father George VI became king because his brother Edward VIII abdicated the throne to be with a divorced woman, which used to be against the rules in England. Elsa could have abdicated to Anna in order to stay in the Enchanted Forrest, and since Anna and Kristoff would be getting married soon, there's a high likelihood that the two of them would produce heirs whereas Elsa was seemingly uninterested in any romantic attachments and would most likely not have any heirs.

[@arielmyers4028]

my heart kinda stopped when ben started talking L.O.T.R ..... what a tease man i know its alot of content but i just want J and Ben Tolkien videos lol all my favs together in one place!

[@coolnerdlll6053]

If Elsa wasn't dead, Olaf wouldn't have faded away. Theory broken. J, Ben, can I get a job with you guys?

[@JainaSoloB312]

Yeah I don't understand why this was ever a question😅 Elsa was definitely killed and then resurrected by The Source of "all magic"

[@isabelheiner631]

Maybe it was that she put all her magic into getting that memory to Anna that she even used Olaf's life force to do it, before she was frozen and couldn't do anything. Idk XD

[@M.A.Ortiz021]

You should do a video ranking your favorite Disney movies!!

[@ChronoXShadow]

I kinda agree. It 'should' have destroyed Arendale. Not because of physics, but because it would make the story better.

[@SpiderSmoothie]

The one thing that's always bugged me is that Elsa wasn't at Anna's coronation. That was a major step up and a hugely important moment for both Anna and Elsa. Anna stepping into her role as ruler, something I've always believed she was meant to be, and Elsa stepping down and finding a place and a life that she truly loves and feels at peace with. But Elsa wasn't there on that day and there's no reason she shouldn't have been.

[@jimbotron4749]

That wasn't Anna's coronation. That's just her unveiling the statue of their parents.

[@sierrahall8791]

I feel like there was a lot of retcon in Frozen 2 😅 and also it felt like it was meant for an older audience, because you really had to sit and pay attention to track the whole plot

[@chasonw323]

Lol Ben managed to confuse me more about Frozen 2 and also make it make more sense.

[@SpiderSmoothie]

I definitely feel like he was stretching to his limit a bit in this one. He said a whole lot of words that just recapped everything that was said in the movie, made it more confusing for himself and the audience and never really answered anything. And this is not to hate on him at all. I love the content on this channel but this video wasn't really there and you could tell he wasn't really feeling the content and you could tell that he just understand our care for the movie.

[@lallensmith547]

Glad you mentioned this because I felt the same way after seeing Frozen 2! Frozen 1 is a complete gem in many ways, and Frozen 2 improved upon those things such as the character development and the music. But I am still aggravated with the whole glacier scene as well!! Why did they make it so confusing that Elsa was calling herself with her mother's voice to become herself???

[@Hanaconda_Aquaponics]

I've always thought of it like a possession: when the two peoples became separated and a child was born of both, the 5th spirit possessed that child in order to work towards fixing the problem and "building the bridge" as you put it.

[@baystated]

I had hoped that Elsa's ice wall was going to kind of glacier-plow the royal castle to rubble while still saving the rest of the city. Instead we just got Disney. As for her change from mortal to spirit... does the Beast die? Does Hercules die? Does Ariel die? Does Frodo die? Does Obiwan die? Do Trek transporters kill you? Do you order desert after a big dinner? When you bring magic into the situation, death doesn't work anymore.

[@forevermore9431]

Actually if I remember correctly, Elsa knew that her grandfather harmed the people in the woods (can't spell their name lol) and she knew that the damm had to be destroyed. She chose to go further despite not necessarily needing to. We didn't need to see the killing scene to know that the old king was bad, but she became to caught up in unravelling the past. That is how I understood it. And I agree 100% Arendelle should have been destroyed by the wave.

[@JDM-is-my-name]

Ben: So did you die? Elsa: yes, but actually no

[@GeeklingNo1]

Elsa being the 5th spirit theory: Elsa isn’t ice in reference to frozen water. Elsa is ice in reference to the frozen river of memories. If u think of the fifth spirit as the guardian of history and memories (or the personification of atohalan) then it would make sense for the human embodiment of the frozen river to have ice powers. The way her powers were shown in the whole second movie was based around the idea of water(read ice) having memory. Elsa is the only thing apart from atohalan that’s able to access those memories. She doesn’t have any connection to the other elements apart from being able to in some way control them but she has VERY strong connections to atohalan. Why did she freeze? My only guess would be bc she’s only the personification of the 5th spirit while atohalan is pure frozen memeory. Basically she can’t handle the full power of the 5th spirit until after she’s ‘died’.

[@AdamHolland-Adz]

Frozen 3: Electrik Bugaloo Frozen 3: Rap Battle Frozen 3: Let's get Funky.

[@cyroborg]

Okay, my two cents: the recurring theme in F2 is bridging divides. Bridging the divide between sisters, bridging the relationship between Anna and Kristoff, the Northuldra and the Arendeleans(?), the past and the present. I postulate that the leader of the Northuldra King Runard murdered had powers like Elsa did, granted by the magic of nature. Since he was murdered, he was unable to pass them on to another leader, and the power had to manifest in a way that would allow the world to heal.

[@WiccanRai]

I admit, I didn't fully understand the story, especially just _how_ Elsa had gone too far. She was literally just following the memories. but I guess she went too far down into the glacier? Anyhoo, I do think Elsa died down there. Olaf was no longer able to hold form, which means her magic had died too at that moment. However, I think the 'fifth spirit' element is what resurrected her, so to speak. It's like her mortal soul was replaced by the spirit and she was renewed (keeping her physical form) - once Anna, the other half of that bridge had completed her task.

[@aria-fg8er]

When they said she went too far it meant that she went to far back into the past meaning that you cant go back to the past or else you'll be stuck into it. Elsa couldnt stop herself from going too far

[@AmaraJordanMusic]

NGL, "Be the bridge you want to see in the world," got me. 😂

[@Cllocopine]

I never realised how complicated the movie was I just went along with it, but you’re right it really doesn’t make much sense, unless you watch this video where you explain it perfectly!

[@greenboy7440]

Ben: I'm looking at the math here Me: Did you pay the math budget? I am assuming yes.... so it checks out.

[@gbear0385]

I’d recommend reading Dangerous Secrets: The Story of Agnarr and Iduna

[@BigBatYT]

Honestly, I think the line “go to far and you will be drowned” refers to the parents because they went to far. Elsa because she’s ice or has ice powers can’t be drowned. Side note the will be drowned line could be in reference to the town being drowned out or destroyed.

[@aria-fg8er]

The phrase "go to far & you'll be drowned" does not literally mean you will be drowned it means if you go to far back into the past you will be stuck in it. Elsa went too far into the past when she was at Attoholan. (Idk if I spelt attoholan correctly)

[@woodymiles]

I think they just needed to make Anna a queen to further justify not including her in the Disney princess merch and this whole movie is just a convoluted means to that goal. But the music was good.

[@silviasellerio728]

The thing is, both Elsa and Gandalf were never human to begin with - but they had to ritually die to fully come into their power, which is a huge trope in mythology (see Odin, for example... or, for that matter, Jesus...) Also I feel like Elsa is there to bring back peace and unity, not so much to represent a specific element!

[@robinj7385]

Elsa abdicated the throne to live in the woods with her girlfriend. She never wanted to be queen in the first place so she stepped down.

[@roseszymanski]

Elsa's mother: Not too far or you'll be drowned. Elsa: *GiGgLeS*

[@v.3057]

_-Did she die?_ -Yes _-Is she alive?_ -Yes _-Is she immortal?_ -Most likely This is a bit too FNaF for me-

[@siriusgames7730]

I also think frozen 2 kinda messed up frozen 1 when I watched it. Great theory by the way! :)

[@kelly-bc6on]

i’m glad we’re finally discussing how confusing frozen 2 is

[@nikolaigarcia]

I loved the paralleles you drew between Gandalf and Elsa... Man, I wish you covered the LOTR fandom as well, that is my favorite universe.

[@JainaSoloB312]

"A bridge has 2 sides, *and mom had 2 daughters".* Elsa and Anna are B O T H the 5th spirit! You even showed that scene! Twice! You cut out the most important line that actually answers your question! Elsa and Anna are the 5th spirit together: Elsa with the indigenous people, and Anna with the people of Arendelle. They are the bridge between those two worlds. And yes, Elsa is indeed Gandalf.

[@jayanderson147]

oooh I love that!

[@kingofbirds]

i dont think elsa herself is immortal but rather that her influence and powers will always be there not sure thats the best way to explain it but yeh

[@LadyMoonlace]

This video makes me so happy because Ben has made me feel seen! I feel the same way about the Frozen movies so it’s not to see I’m not alone. Thank you Buzzy B!!!

[@joelincz8314]

I finally had time and watched frozen 2 today, I liked it.

[@saxdczxc3]

Ben, you do realize that all lullabies stem from tragic events in history, right, like ring around the rosy is about the black death…

[@verylostdoommarauder]

The ending should have had the revelation that Elsa is actually the cause of Fimbulvetr, the first stage of Ragnarok described as an eternal winter. Maybe throw in myth-accurate Loki tied to a rock.

[@ClarkIsSuperman-iw9gu]

SCB finally talked about LOTR!!! YAY!!!

[@muffinbunny2372]

Can I just say I really like how you play a different sound at the end of the intro!

[@kiya1809]

I seriously said "Gandalf" just before you did and giggled after....and im proud of that lol.

[@syrusriddick]

Did Elsa die? Yes. Is Elsa dead? Yes. Is she now an immortal spirit that can interact with the living? Also yes.

[@KaleaLalana]

He had me in the first half, I'm not gonna lie. Elsa is Gandalf. Video over.

[@Ruu_ku]

now to think of (if its not mentioned in the video) is the king of the nulthudra was the 5th spirit. Because when arrendel's king attacked him and killed him the sprits got angry

[@Apledore]

My first thoughts after watching Frozen 2 were - "Well, that was disappointing. Lots of plot holes and vague references that ended up going nowhere." So of course, it's my 3 year oldest favorite, and she wants to watch it every day!

[@roseprevost8081]

The Disney+ documentary and the book about the art of Frozen 2 had some interesting points. Elsa was originally supposed to die, and therefore Arendelle would have been wiped out and rebuilt. And the voice was originally going to be Elsa's future self calling her. The whole Show Yourself scene took a LONG time to work out.

[@OkGoGirl82]

I've always wondered how the king and queen as children got out of the forest. Who was able to get out? Did the mist let them escape with someone driving the cart? Why didn't the Northuldrans ever mention the disappearance of a family's daughter?

[@jayanderson147]

I always kind of assumed that it took a hot minute for the mist to settle in. And if the fighting was happening long enough for the Northuldra leader to be killed, other people were probably killed as well, so they might have assumed that their daughter was injured by either the angry spirits or the soldiers and just hadn't been found. I agree that it's a little odd that it's not mentioned, especially because she's from one of the oldest families.

[@dexxxxed4297]

You guys caught me with the premature ending lol

[@maniac4bonks178]

Honestly what lullaby isn't dark? Have you listened closely to the lyrics of Rock a Bye Baby? Or Ring Around the Rosie? (Not a lullaby but a common children's song nonetheless)

[@thomasbennett0]

Lightyear official trailer breakdown please SCB.

[@coolnerdlll6053]

And a Book of Boba Fett theory.

[@tommydevito4105]

Interesting fact about Frozen 2, much like the first alot of things of the plot were changed last minute (hence why there’s 4 cut songs that were recorded) . One of the things which is going to be what I’m taking about this comment is quite interesting. So Mattias originally had a much bigger role in the movie and it was originally going to be him that saved Agnar and Iduna (Elsa and Anna’s parents) the day of the battle. They even had a song for him but they never got to record it. The reason his role in the movie was reduced and his song was cut was because the actor who played him, Sterling K Brown, was busy filming the popular show This Is Us and couldn’t be there to record as often as everyone else

[@tommyherrick8220]

Elsa died the same way that Anna did in frozen. They each sacrificed themselves for the other

[@vitofranzini]

Hi ! I think Elsa's and Anna's (mother's) bloodline is the fifth spirit ! She knows when she saved Agnarr, that she can't looks after the forest anymore, so she "Ah Ah Ah Ah" (call) her [future] daughter to be what she (Elsa) must be and fix the forest, what she couldn't ! Elsa become the fifth spirit, when she realized her mother calls her ! Although She died, but she did it as Anna in Frozen (1), she still the same person, just change her priority !

[@brentgreenhalgh5637]

First, what makes you think the spirits are immortal and don’t have little baby spirits to replace them? Second, the reason Arendelle wasn’t destroyed, was probably due to Disney executives not wanting Arendelle to be destroyed. They probably felt it would make for a bad ending. Too depressing. Your theory, however, is pretty awesome.

[@Yellowdigigod]

Doesn't win at trivia but the camera loves Ben. Something about the way Ben presents theories holds my attention

[@ShirleyLestrade]

I always interpret it as her mother was the fifth spirit before her which is why she was able to call the wind spirit to help her save Agnarr and then the reason why the spirits cut off the Northuldra was because the fifth spirit a.k.a. Elsa’s mother left the Forest

[@raymondcorbitt7682]

That’s what I thought too

[@SarcasmKing23]

I think that Elsa isn’t immortal, and that is Arendelle and the Northuldra continue to live in peace, and if Elsa ever divides to have kids, Elsa’s firstborn will eventually somehow take on the fifth spirit/have ice powers/some other fifth spirit power.🤷🏾‍♂️

[@hollowbread]

I’m gonna be honest, I really miss the “hey brother!” in the intro

[@theriveroflight]

Elsa didn't have to die for Anna to be queen, abdication from the throne is also a thing.

[@xero1048]

Frozen 2 convoluted Elsa’s powers. The whole idea with the spirits I felt wasn’t done very well, as I believe it raises more questions than it answers. Are spirit’s individuals? Well no because the rock giants are a species. Is it made of that element? Well no, Elsa isn’t made of ice and neither is the fire lizard. The fire lizard isn’t even always on fire. Is a spirit a being who channels the powers? Well no because the water horse is made of water, and the rock giants are made of rock, and the wind is just straight up the wind, not even a being. It’s so inconsistent that it does convolutes the whole thing.

[@i_prefer_the_term_antihero]

Totally agree with you there

[@simmerelise]

I see the voice as Elsa's mother calling to her to learn who she truly is. I love family history and find that knowing who my family were helps me better understand myself and shape who I want to be. Also we often spend our lifes looking for something outside of ourselves to fill the gaps in our lives when what is inside us is all we need. This is paralleled by the fact Elsa doesn't need a remantic interest to find herself. Her mother called to her to show her the memories of her descendants to help her find herself and learn from her ancestors mistakes. In showing herself, Elsa was able to truly let everything go and ascend to a higher state of being.

[@cateraderer6435]

I’m noticing a new Raichu plush? How long has it been since there was a new item in the background?

[@idontevenknow1009]

I like how the video is about frozen 2 and then j is just talking about duffel bags and hot sauce!😂