DID ENVE DO ENOUGH? (NEW ENVE MELEE ROAD BIKE) *THE GOOD AND THE BAD*

I go over the brand new release of the Enve road bike, The good and the bad of the launch of this bike. We talk about price, hat you get from the money and how I think they are going to do.
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[@stevenkates4876]

I own the Melee. I use 30’s. Tubeless. Ultegra Di2. Fizik 3D printed. I put a big Kawasaki green decal to promote the brand. I received the bike in a month. I love the asymmetrically changing square organic shape changing triangles and square tubes. The aesthetics based on aerodynamics form a wild look. I don’t think it looks anything like the others. The look is gorgeous with battleship grey with a contrasting decal.

[@vinson8459]

Having up to 35c means you can take this bike to light gravel. Which is good, to compensate the fact that average people wont be able to have a second bike once after they pay that much money for this. Still a lovely bike though,

[@supermitendo9654]

Honestly that's the main reason I'm thinking about getting this bike.

[@fujitsubo]

why would spend that much $ to potentially have rocks etc bash the carbon paint job of your road bike & possibly cause frame integrity issues? Get an MTB or pure gravel bike to do that. Sub 900gram frame means its not as tough as a gravel bike for sure.

[@cameronfrancis5975]

​@@fujitsubo The market that this bike is going to appeal to, is probably not going to take issue with spending that much money on a gravel bike. I would buy this bike in a heartbeat an have one do it all road bike. Wouldn't bother me a bit, ill buy one and when I replace it with a new road bike in a couple years, ill use it as a light gravel bike.

[@cameronfrancis5975]

@@fujitsubo Also, this bike won BWR San Diego this year..... I would say that's gonna check the "tough as a gravel bike" box!

[@fujitsubo]

@@cameronfrancis5975 racers are sponsored bikes so they can change damaged bikes easily unlike consumers. My heavy ass MTB has alot of rock chip damage near the BB area so maybe u r right the people who can afford to trash such an expensive bike dont care lol

[@daryltill70]

If you ever question the major bike companies about why there bikes are so expensive they say it’s because of “research and development “ if this is the case how is it they all look identical? Surely they haven’t all come to the exact same conclusion

[@ohcrapwhatsnext]

Very good point...but, they have to design their own or by the patent from another company and they wont sell it, so each company must design their own. Therefore, its big bucks to them.

[@kidShibuya]

Not sure about the hate for wide wheel support. What is wrong with support for that? You don't have to use wide rims and they even make the bike more aero if recent track bikes are to be believed. How is a bike giving you less choice and less aero benefit somehow better?

[@invisiblescout6335]

It worsens handling because that type of desing is less stiff without adding extra material. Some track bikes have wide forks and seat stays to get them in line with the riders' legs and improve the aerodynamics of the whole system. Slightly wider forks like on gravel and road bikes do nothing of the sort and worsen aerodynamics by increasing frontal area

[@kidShibuya]

@@invisiblescout6335 it's meant to reduce turbulence coming off the wheel. Also extra material to make the fork arch slightly larger isn't much, no need for it to be weaker

[@nationsnumber1chump]

tire clearance shouldn't really matter, I think it increase aerodynamics having a wider fork, allows the air to move thru it better

[@universe-juice]

alot of people are switching to bikes for every day transport. as i am. i have no car. that being said, sometimes i wake up late. i need a bke to get me there fast. this bike, as with others, can be fitted for different weather cond quickly. i see what they're doing. i dig it. wont buy it, but i dig it 👍

[@onenotesolo256]

Styling not a million miles from my Cervelo Aspero, which is a reverse of concept of this Melee in that it’s designed for larger tires (ships with 38s) but I’m currently running 30mm GP5000s to keep up on group rides. GC I know you’re all-in on 23 or 25mm road tires or whatever, but another thing to bear in mind on the Enve is that some 32mm slicks (they make the Contis in that size) measure up to 34mm on some wheels (e.g. my Enve 3.4s), so it can still be a fast road machine - just a comfortable one on crappy pavement.

[@Veterans-e2c]

That’s pricy $5399 just for frame set. Road bike prices are out of control. I have a 2021 Scott foil 10 disc the whole bike di2 group set power meter and zipp 454 demo wheel set $8500. Scott rocks!

[@BrandonGarcia-id2ev]

Nicely done - i agree on the purpose of this bike, most will use as pride and joy bike, no reason to turn into gravel bike.

[@BrandonGarcia-id2ev]

i cannot wait to see the traction on sales, a lot of competition for this bike type / geometry as we speak.

[@GCPerformance18]

thank you very much and also yes I think the same I want to see how many people buy this bike being th eprice tag is so high and such a premium and they all look the same except you can add decal kits to them, I would rather buy an sworks with a nice paint job of my choosing or a trek with a project one paint job instead of a grey enve biek

[@larrymcgoldrick3471]

I would take a 5 yr. plus 3 yr. incidental coverage over just a typical lifetime warranty any day.

[@GCPerformance18]

Yea I agree with that. That’s a really nice warranty the more I think about it

[@mudonsunday]

Love your honest take on the bike and the industry as a whole. You don’t see that from authorized dealers. Usually very biased to sell products.

[@GCPerformance18]

:) I really appreciate that, I try to just be strait forward and let the consumer form there own opinion on the subject

[@thedronescene7474]

I do not see myself owning another carbon bike BUT if I ever change my mind, it will definitely be an ENVE. Nothing beats USA made.

[@GCPerformance18]

I guess these ones are made in asia but the custom ones are made in us

[@thedronescene7474]

@@GCPerformance18 yeah, the custom one. But again I do not think I will ever own another carbon. Ti is the way to go :)

[@SQK1261]

This frame is manufactured in Asia. The custom frames are handmade in Utah.

[@GCPerformance18]

really? I did not knwo this, thank you for sharing this, I would think the whole reason for enve to do this is to have that leg up on the competition

[@sr_34]

Bought a Melee and built it up as a really sportive Allroad-Bike with 35mm Tires. Thing is just awesome!

[@denethorpalantir2815]

The poor quality of asphalt around me would normally dictate wider tires, that and if you are a bigger guy; a buddy of mine runs 35's but he's 6'3" and weighs over 200+ lbs on his road bike.

[@appala]

most of the bikes have 250 rider + bike weight limits these days. At that point, not sure if the tire size matters. Also, you wouldnt want a $15000 to ride on potholes.

[@YetAnotherAdventure]

So here's my transparant review on the Enve. I purchased and built it with all high end equipment SRAM AXS, ceramic speed, Enve wheelset. with eerything 17lbs (pedals, garmin mounts -rear/front, cages) not bad at all. so compared to my SWORKS Venge -both are stiff, i think the venge is a little more. with the Melee it was snappy off the line, around corners, etc. but when i hit speeds around 30 pulling it's hard to maintain for long periods vs my Venge. Tomorrow i pick up my new build Dogma F. I decided to go with this one since it's now lighter and a little on aero side like my venge. Truely i wish they kept making the venge but unfortunatelly they think the SL7 is the answer to both lines. still prefer my venge over any bike i've had. well, we will see after the Pinarello F

[@qibble455]

I love Enve But I 100% agree about the excessive tire clearance. It's like putting a lift kit and fixings for mudflaps on a porsche 911, Why? Great video

[@JohnnySantoDomingo]

Damn a classic 911 Porsche Safari build is my dream car lol. Because GRAVEL

[@gandul1234]

No surprise there are none of those on the road. Where I live everyone rides specialized and cervelo. I ride a new trek madone and everyone looks at me like Im an alien from Mars every time I go out of town to ride.

[@ntphong999]

TREK bikes are fine

[@joekawasaki]

I think the option to run wider tires is the thing, not that everybody would or should, but they can. The mud gaurd option I could see for places with more inclement weather. If you lived where it's wet half the year you might be singing a different tune.

[@GCPerformance18]

I guess so, but i do not get why they out of there wya to make this a thing, they should have made something more appealing or an attentino grabber to this bike

[@joekawasaki]

@@GCPerformance18 also the wide fork may not just be for tire clearance but aero like the hope/lotus track bike but marketed with the catch words of the day,

[@tonyg3091]

I remember the time when our guy here had 1k subs only…how time flies…;) As for the bike in question here-I’d rather go SL7 SWorks. If and when they are available that is…

[@DEXVD]

Have seen some people get either the Aethos or Crux with two wheelsets and try to come up with a gearing set up that will work for light gravel or mixed surface riding as well as fast road riding. With the popularity of events like BWR this is becoming more and more a thing. As a Canadian I like the idea of a road bike that I can throw fenders on and ride through the winter. I did it this past winter on wet slushy roads with a 12 year old Tarmac with full fenders and 26c Pirelli 4S tires, also ended up on some light gravel on some of those rides. Going forward my winter road bike will be my gravel bike with a 32-36c road or light gravel tire (like the Roubaix Pro) and full fenders. If I had this ENVE it would be my good summer race bike (like my Cervelo is now) for the first years of ownership but like the idea that I could hang onto it and use it for winter road riding and winter group rides and multi-surface races as it got older and I had a nicer "summer race bike".

[@dvoob]

I train and have raced a few crits with success on 35c gravelking SKs. That said I throw on Corsas for more competitive races.

[@GCPerformance18]

of course, I mean it can be done, anyone can race on anything and be competitive as long as they are trained, but does it make sense if you are trying to win? nope

[@JohnnySantoDomingo]

Agreed with just about everything you touched on. Looks beautiful, but most bikes look the same now. I was searching their site for “made in USA” and couldn’t find it, but just saw another video saying these frames are made in their Asian factory.

[@Incaensio]

Wheels are the only thing made here

[@universe-juice]

i like asian frames. if an asian worker makes a mistake, they dont get chewed out, they get their knuckles beatn with a stick. i like that. after your beatn with a stick, you try very hard not to mess up again. believe me, i know 👍

[@ariffau]

My Orbea Orca OMR has clearance for 35c and it is a race bike. 😁 Domane has clearance for 35c and it won Paris Roubaix. Just saying man, if this came out earlier, it would be my pick. Haha

[@GCPerformance18]

yea thats a great bike for that race, everyone is running an endurance bike for that race, because of the dir t and aslo the cobblestones, but you do not see everyone running the domane or the roubaix inside the tour when they want the fastest bike possible

[@GCPerformance18]

Love that there is another retail bike out there for competition, but also have some issues with these bikes, *rant incoming*

[@stevenkates4876]

Couldn’t agree more. People need paint options or the bike may not sell.

[@GCPerformance18]

agreed!!

[@stevenkates4876]

ENVE answered your question. MOG. I like your channel. BTW it is pronounced “MAY LAY “.

[@GCPerformance18]

hahahh Thanks so much!!! I prefer meleeeee

[@stevenkates4876]

@@GCPerformance18 maylay Melee is cool because it is a Fight. Meleeeeeee sounds like a girl’s name in a science fiction movie. BTW I use the Vittoria Next. They puncture all the time on Pacific Coast Highway going to Malibu ; there are shards of glass and construction materials but the inner foam core which I put in along with the sealant allow me to just keep riding. Amazing. Thanks buddy.

[@YelCan]

Thoughtful and informative. Thank you 👍 .

[@GCPerformance18]

I appreciate you watching the video :)

[@timtaylor9590]

all bike companies shud do custom builds like this

[@muratmustafa4532]

For some of us 35mm and fenders makes all the sense ;)

[@GCPerformance18]

this is true, different strokes

[@muratmustafa4532]

@@GCPerformance18 80% of my rides are on wet surfaces or in rain and on bad road surfaces. Having large tyre clearance and mudguards makes a bike much more usable here in the UK. And Envee being only race bike offering that it makes a huge difference here in how people see this bike. Many of us is not blessed with extra space for many bikes. So such a bike which can operate as winter/commute/race/allroad bike would make lots of sense for an average UK cyclist. I wish it was only cheaper or they offered full built value bikes with a lower tired frame with the same design.

[@universe-juice]

oh, love your vids btw. keep up the good work!!!!

[@timtaylor9590]

whats the tire clearance on the hope lotus? wider stays and forks means more aero and more stiffness

[@jamesong2672]

It’s a gravel/endurance bike. But when they call it a race bike with gravel/endurance bike features, they get so excited thinking they are getting more value.

[@JC-pt2tw]

We need to see more of these, and with more colours too. But I like the minimalistic branding

[@johntrussell7228]

I wonder why Enve doesn't have a bike shop dealer program for these bikes and the custom road?

[@GCPerformance18]

they do, as a dealer for enve products I was given the option to buy enve frames and have them there for stock, we just didnt take them because we have to many lines and there release interfered with our other lines and brands

[@walterstoops2671]

Having only one color option is a deal breaker.

[@ragethomas]

Trek has project one and can easily change component's all the way down to tires.

[@GCPerformance18]

eggzactly among us

[@Highsidespecialist]

You said you can't play both sides, but why not? Alexey Vermeulen stuck some wide tires on it and won the Belgium Waffle gravel race on it.

[@GCPerformance18]

yea great gravel bike, it has similar geometry to that

[@Jacob99174]

Gorgeous bike Too expensive

[@JayLato]

It’s a gravel capable previous gen Scott Foil RC.

[@tobiasbouma4071]

Don't like to look of the raw geometry of the frameset. It seems a bit out of place. That said, a bike will look a lot different when there's wheels and components on there..

[@ariffau]

I don’t think their handlebars are expensive. They are priced roughly the same as Vision, FSA, and Pro Vibe.

[@GCPerformance18]

I mean they are priced for the market but also a little more, they are known to be an expensive price component. even if at market value

[@stevenkates4876]

Clearance is aero. Wide tires eat road chatter. You know this.

[@GCPerformance18]

ooooooof

[@ohcrapwhatsnext]

So where is this bike made? Not much different from other frames..

[@GCPerformance18]

utah united states amoung us

[@JoshRoss]

@@GCPerformance18 it's not made in the US.

[@elijg6104]

I don't get how fitting 35mm tires and mudguards is a downside. If you don't want them then don't use them. I doubt the capability makes it much heavier or less aerodynamic. People ride race bikes outside of races. For instance while training in wet weather.

[@GCPerformance18]

I feel like there has to be some kind of give to it, some sacrifice to make the frame ot be able to take that, maybe thinning out chain stays and same with the fork, I just don't see what the point is for it and also, why go out of the way and spend the time to make the frame capable of doing this, they should have spent that time looking for a stand out feature for the bike

[@stevenkates4876]

I hope the bike designers move to a new aesthetic like the Scott Foil , a stunning all arounder

[@GCPerformance18]

that bike is so nice i want that biek so bad!!!!

[@pcdude2394]

Different folks different taste. But personally I agree with GC. Putting a 35c on a race bike would like putting in a Subaru Outback tires on a 500k Ferrari.

[@GCPerformance18]

hahahha i dont get it, who wants that on a 5300 dollar frame

[@timtaylor9590]

im not crazy about the looks, i wish they wouldve went super light or super aero

[@timtaylor9590]

by the looks of it, it doesnt seem fully aero. i wish it was lighter at 850 grams but i respek the made in america

[@babyrabies]

Looks more like an ultra premium endurance/tour bike than a race bike tbh.

[@GCPerformance18]

yea i agree with that hard

[@universe-juice]

this bike is blowin up. have u got your hands on one of these yet? very intrested

[@GCPerformance18]

I have not. I will work to get one

[@JoshRoss]

I have one in my hands.

[@universe-juice]

omg!!! details!!! 🤯

[@JoshRoss]

@@universe-juice I dropped a link to IG but I think KZbin removed that. I haven't built it up yet. I put a Chris King bottom bracket in and weighed the frame and fork plus took a bunch of pictures. I'm hoping to transfer SRAM AXS Red from my current Look 795 blade rs tomorrow. I will say that I'm very excited to have a race bike that will take fenders. I ride through the winter and it rains, a lot. It's unlikely I'll be putting anything bigger than a 28mm on it but the possibility is intriguing for certain events. Ultra races are sometimes mostly road with just enough gravel to require something more than standard road tires, the Melee addresses that.

[@universe-juice]

@@JoshRoss thanks for quick response. very interested and a little jealous. need a bike! looking at enve, time, 3t, others but enve just has alot of apeal. sooo jealous!!!!

[@timtaylor9590]

that incidental 3 year warranty makes up for the lack of the lifetime especially for racers.

[@PatrickLino]

That frame geometry is anything but race-focused. Haha

[@markwright8030]

Super clean super bike. The negative points you raised I agree with. Great informative video 👍🚴‍♂️

[@drunken_moose]

35C tires and mud flaps are because their target market is rich Freds not racers.

[@GCPerformance18]

lmao this is true i guess, I might as wel give them a bb motor installed as well just in case they dont want to finish the ride...... or a life alert button built into the top tube

[@rlmurillo]

I agree about the ordering and supply issues. Last year i was on the market for a new bike and i tried direct to consumer brands like Ventum and Alberto Contador's Aurum bike and both took 4-6 weeks lead time because they are smaller manufacturers. I wonder how is the lead time for the Melee.

[@universe-juice]

know what? ive changed my mind. i would buy this frame. its PRICEY!!! but its enve. you know its a clean frame inside. i may get one. do you know any one that needs a used kidney?

[@clintontower496]

I'll save some money and get a Ventum NS1

[@GCPerformance18]

not a fan of the ventum to be honest

[@johnr8820]

Drop seat stays, angled top tubes, and long head tubes are getting so boring..

[@GCPerformance18]

I agree, it seems like no one wants to think out of the box anymore and they just want the easy cash grab, they do not want to take pride in there work anymore

[@donwinston]

Bottom bracket?

[@rajeshkannan_s]

T47 bb.

[@cools5226]

This bike won bwr it’s a race bike

[@illestFlavor]

That's a no for me fam.

[@peterago1082]

why fenders and 32mm tires, rediculous poor marketing from enve, stick with wheels and forks

[@andrewcockburn7484]

Fenders because it rains. 32 mm tires because flabby mamils have a lot of purchasing power.

[@ambertguez]

Guy that won the Waffle Ride this year rode this bike.

[@GCPerformance18]

you sure?, you mean the custom? which is more race bike?

[@ambertguez]

@@GCPerformance18 I sure am. Check the :30 second mark: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q2elk3yZgtNpo5o

[@ambertguez]

@@GCPerformance18 also. The melee won’t be American made. Mass production overseas

[@JoshRoss]

@@GCPerformance18 bwr San Diego won by Alexi on this bike, not the custom road. Like colnago and the C series vs V series the Melee is actually the faster bike.

[@garysmith70]

That stem is so flimsy and weak .

[@davidgiroux5228]

Nothing special…..

[@lexus2631]

SL7 killer ??? Lmao !!

[@GCPerformance18]

lol I know!!! it makes no sesne

[@gabrielsteck5105]

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